! What reserve to buy ?
Flying Assault Geeks
reserve. I've been looking at the Raven 2, Raven 3 and Micro Raven though I
am concerned that any reserve that can also be used as a main is a little
unsetteling.
I am also interested in what Performancd Designs is doing. PD has sent in a
request to the FAA that on its reserve parachutes, the repack only be done
once a year instead of every 4 months. I believe that once a year is too much
and every 6 months I would be happy with. Is it worth buying a PD reserve in
case something comes though on this exemption? Man, imagin all the long
distance phone calls I would save over the year phoning my rigger saying "IS
IT READY YET", "IT'S BEEN A FEW DAYS, IS IT READY YET?", "I KNOW YOU ARE BUSY
AND ITS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON BUT IS IT READY YET?"
Harald Dahl
repack cycle gets to be 1 year you are free to ask your rigger to inspect
and repack your reserve at any time YOU feel it is neded.
#22 / 7 (Flying Assault Geeks) <#22 / 7 (Flying Assault Geeks)> wrote in
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TooyT
Wrote:
>I'm getting a new rig and the only thing I haven't decided firmly on is the
>reserve. I've been looking at the Raven 2, Raven 3 and Micro Raven though I
>am concerned that any reserve that can also be used as a main is a little
unsetteling.
I had 2 reserve rides with the Raven and 1 on a Fury 220, Thing about reserves
is this kid. They need to be the right size and 7-cell cuz a lot of times when
your in trouble your shook up. the perfect landing area might not be in sight.
People that make 7 cell reserves try to adjust the cut and lines & canopy for
quick deploynent and stable flying
Don't go for small or hot leave that for your main if your so incliened. If
your under reserve you done screwed up once play it safe and git on the ground
unhurt, thats the object of reserves. Bright solid colors help too
Orange or White and a few other colors are easier to spot from the air, Think
about freebag and poptop color to cuz that stuff is a bitch to find in the
woods sometimes. Novices are so careless with their rigs I don't understand how
any manufacturer can garantee a one year repack, even if its vacumm sealed. Git
a reserve TSO'ed 7 cell thats lightly loaded for your weight, bright colors and
don't be cheap, have it repacked at least every 120 days. Live long and prosper
:-* snuffy smith
aka Rufus Coyote Anthropological Philosopher, Master Skydiver (Ret) Expert on
Sheep, Humor, Skydiving egos & the nature of the inner beast.WARNING! Skydiving
is a high risk activity and Mistakes may create a bounce causing
bobo's or DEATH! :-P OL1262
bil...@qualcomm.com
#22 / 7 (Flying Assault Geeks) wrote:
> I'm getting a new rig and the only thing I haven't decided firmly on is the
> reserve. I've been looking at the Raven 2, Raven 3 and Micro Raven though I
> am concerned that any reserve that can also be used as a main is a little
> unsetteling.
that's true of any reserve parachute. the raven just happens to have a
bridle attach, which makes it easier to recover the d-bag after the jump.
note that the dash M series of raven do _not_ have a bridle attach.
i can recommend the raven, PD and amigo reserves without any reservations
at all. the tempo and swift are pretty good.
> I am also interested in what Performancd Designs is doing. PD has sent in a
> request to the FAA that on its reserve parachutes, the repack only be done
> once a year instead of every 4 months. I believe that once a year is too much
> and every 6 months I would be happy with. Is it worth buying a PD reserve in
> case something comes though on this exemption?
up to you, but don't expect any action any time soon. i keep hoping we see
something like the weight limits of current TSO C23D rigs - the manufacturer
of the rig and reserve decide on the maximum weight, not the FAA. we could
do the same thing with reserve repacks. if it's a PD reserve in a reflex
container (for example) you could go 180 days, because both PD and fliteline
are OK with it.
-bill von
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TooyT
Wrote:
> if it's a PD reserve in a reflex
>container (for example) you could go 180 days, because both PD and fliteline
are OK with it.
>
>-bill von
I don't really care who's ok with it. Novices abuse their rigs through
ignorance and bad landings and while I'm ranting, how can a anal conservative
Brown field cypress or die guy feel comfortable uping the reseve packing cycle,
a cypress fire ain't no good if yer reserve is messed up. WHATS WITH THAT? :-P
inquiring coyote minds want to know how young people reason this compromise
safety of sheep stuff out :-*
No kidding this is serious stuff!
fre...@ll.-
>I'm getting a new rig and the only thing I haven't decided firmly on is the
>reserve. I've been looking at the Raven 2, Raven 3 and Micro Raven though I
>am concerned that any reserve that can also be used as a main is a little
>unsetteling.
>
>That Raven Dash-M with the zero-p top skin sure gives a nice landing!
>
TooyT
>
>>I'm getting a new rig and the only thing I haven't decided firmly on is the
>>reserve. I've been looking at
>the Raven 2, Raven 3 and Micro Raven though I
>>am concerned that any reserve that can also be used as a main is a little
>>unsetteling.
***********************************
Know what? If you keep a tight closing loop on your main pin and don't wait
till it frays out before changeing it, run your A lines, pack carefully, keep
your velcrow clean, use good tube stows fold your lines in there real neat,
give a good wave off, pay attention to body position at throw out time &
start your throw out at or above your lic. rate you may sell that rig without
ever seeing your reserve and then again maybe not ha ha ha I wuz itching to git
this in because it was left out when I recomended bright colors. But even if
you do every thing right keep praticing your cutaway
reserve pull till its motor memory imprinted then do it some more and when its
time to chop & git a reserve out don't be scared
DO IT! DO IT NOW! DEAL WITH IT OR
DIE!!!!!! :-) snuffy ha ha ha and love it because its a great life, good luck
sheep :-P
Paul C. Renting
reserves
>is this kid. They need to be the right size and 7-cell cuz a lot of times
when
>your in trouble your shook up. the perfect landing area might not be in
sight.
>People that make 7 cell reserves try to adjust the cut and lines & canopy
for
>quick deploynent and stable flying
As I understand it (asked my rigger) the only reason why reserves are mostly
7-cell, is because they are cheaper than 9-cell canopies and for a reserve
you don't need the performance of a 9 cell..
>Don't go for small or hot leave that for your main if your so incliened. If
>your under reserve you done screwed up once play it safe and git on the
ground
>unhurt, thats the object of reserves. Bright solid colors help too
But watch out with a too large difference between reserve/ main in case of a
2 canopies out situation (and I don't care if you use a cypres)
>:-* snuffy smith
BO
Paul C. Renting
ren...@xs4all.nl
KDFC#40
INAC#5
B-81812
TooyT
Wrote:
>But watch out with a too large difference between reserve/ main in case of a
>2 canopies out situation (and I don't care if you use a cypres)
>
>>:-* snuffy smith
>
>
>BO
>Paul C. Renting
>ren...@xs4all.nl
>KDFC#40
>INAC#5
>B-81812
pulled above 1700 feet and one was out at 9 grand , but around water or a
metropolitin Area with strong uppers ewe can git into trouble backing up with a
large reseve canopy if you dont have the skill or knowedge to sink or spiral a
7 cell. Theirs a lot of shit to think about in skydiving, got to be flexible I
loaded my reserves about 1 to 1 except once I was under a F111 fury 220 reserve
weighing in at 268 pounds on a hot no ground wind day dodging down a access
alley behind
houses parrelling the electric and phone lines, dodgeing dumpsters. Knocked
myself out. but like I said if yer under reserve you done messed up once and
are shook up for sure, might even be way out & bleeding. ohhhh its good pain
is good, extreame pain is extreamly good ha ha ha thats sum of that military
bullshit :-)
so git the right size. This ain't the place to ask about reserves anyway ask
your local rigger or JM/I They know about your physical and mental abilitys :-*
snuffy sez see all you git here is peoples No shit there I was experiances,
best to check with the professionals. I wuz a amater fun jumper. I only
learned from busting my ass at every oppertunity and Paul is a ferrin poopen
head they don't have our problems they are usually more mature than us. YEAH
RIGHT!
ha ha ha :-* snuffy
Zak
never buy a reserve you would be afraid to land under unconcious!"
Povl H. Pedersen
Zak <sky...@powernet.net> accidentally typed:
>A wise person once told me a good thing to think of when buying a reserve "
>never buy a reserve you would be afraid to land under unconcious!"
But they do still not make intelligent 280 sq ft reserves, which will
automagically stear you clear of all hindrance and land against the wind.
And to be ideal it shopuld fit the packing space of a current 120 sq ft
reserve :)
BTW: When I am unconscious I am usually not afraid.
A good advice to buying a reserve is to make sure it is in no way
smaller than your main, as you will usually be under slight
stress when trying to land the reserve, and you want one that is more
forgiving.
--
Povl H. Pedersen - Skydiver
57 jumps - 38"08' freefall
Joe Carroll
#22 / 7 (Flying Assault Geeks) wrote:
> I'm getting a new rig and the only thing I haven't decided firmly on is the
> reserve. I've been looking at the Raven 2, Raven 3 and Micro Raven though I
> am concerned that any reserve that can also be used as a main is a little
> unsetteling.
Raven Dash-M. No packing tabs. no reinforcement at pilot connection
point(makes sense since there is no pilot connection point). Zero-P Built
as a reserve only. It can be crammed into a very small space. I like
a small fast main, but the idea of a larger reserve is somewhat comforting.
Joe Carroll
When I get old, I'll drive a Volvo in the fast lane at 35 mph.
Espen
>
> A good advice to buying a reserve is to make sure it is in no way
> smaller than your main, as you will usually be under slight
> stress when trying to land the reserve, and you want one that is more
> forgiving.
But you also don't want a reserve that's significantly bigger than your main,
as this has proved to be a culprit to the downplane scenario. Which one you
want Povl? The excited landing under a smaller reserve, or a downplane all by
your lonesome?
> Povl H. Pedersen - Skydiver
> 57 jumps - 38"08' freefall
Espen G. - Annoying little fuck (courtesy of the 'Tree People')
135 main, 143 reserve, I guess I picked the downplane
"The Flying Norwegian"
ehgo...@unix.amherst.edu
>Povl wrote:
>>
>> A good advice to buying a reserve is to make sure it is in no way
>> smaller than your main, as you will usually be under slight
>> stress when trying to land the reserve, and you want one that is more
>> forgiving.
>
>But you also don't want a reserve that's significantly bigger than your main,
<SNIP>
>Espen G. - Annoying little fuck (courtesy of the 'Tree People')
>135 main, 143 reserve, I guess I picked the downplane
143-135 = 8 sq. ft. That's significant? If so, I'm gonna be a
downplane waiting to happen - I was thinking of getting a ZP 190 or
F-111 200-something, but eventually coming down to a ZP 170. I wasn't
even thinking of downsizing my reserve (181 sq. feet). Is this going
to be really ugly if I ever have 2 out?
Soft openings,
Marty
Home DZ: Airborne Adventures
Northampton, MA (7B2)
NCB #317
Pauli Sillanpää
I am living with idea of having big enough reserve to land with
half brakes stowed and being able to walk away from that landing
(well, at least not suffering major injuries). Wing loading less than 0.9.
I do not like the idea going to smaller reserve when you are buying
smaller main. Reserve is after all your last change, and when you
use it you might very likely to be forced to land tight landing area.
I would not be happy to learn flying characteristics of small F111
canopy under those circumstances.
About down plane, that is possible scenario to happen. However,
I have thought about it and how to deal that situation. If necessary
I am ready to chop my main if it is my last chance.
But I do think that it is more realistic to happen that I need to
use my reserve alone. And I like my reserve being big enough
for me to sink it down in tight area and not slamming me down
while doing that.
This is just my thoughts, so please, thought about your own
procedures and buy the gear YOU feel safe for yourself.
Pauli
Espen
>
> >But you also don't want a reserve that's significantly bigger than your main,
> <SNIP>
> >Espen G. - Annoying little fuck (courtesy of the 'Tree People')
> >135 main, 143 reserve, I guess I picked the downplane
>
> 143-135 = 8 sq. ft. That's significant?
Not really, but I'm not sure if the reserve nor main cares what's
significant. I haven't heard of anyone having a problem with those two
canopies yet, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
If so, I'm gonna be a
> downplane waiting to happen - I was thinking of getting a ZP 190 or
> F-111 200-something, but eventually coming down to a ZP 170. I wasn't
> even thinking of downsizing my reserve (181 sq. feet). Is this going
> to be really ugly if I ever have 2 out?
I seriously doubt it. I didn't say 'you *will* get a downplane'. The chances
are higher the larger the difference is (or so I was told, not a rigger so I
have to ask about these things) so yours, and mine, would be relatively small
I gather. Anyone got some figures to throw on the table for this guy? I
don't.
> Soft openings,
That's a Sabre I'm packing, so I really doubt it ;o)
Espen
Daryl Fortney
along time ago, (using F-111 I think), with a chart that indicates opening
time vs. repack time. The results are interesting. Even though it does
increase over time, the significance of the increase implies that even a
yearly repack is not important.
#22 / 7 (Flying Assault Geeks) <#22 / 7 (Flying Assault Geeks)> wrote in
message <79vpdi$lq...@dragon.sk.sympatico.ca>...
I'm getting a new rig and the only thing I haven't decided firmly on is the
reserve. I've been looking at the Raven 2, Raven 3 and Micro Raven though I
am concerned that any reserve that can also be used as a main is a little
unsetteling.
I am also interested in what Performancd Designs is doing. PD has sent in a
request to the FAA that on its reserve parachutes, the repack only be done
once a year instead of every 4 months. I believe that once a year is too
much
and every 6 months I would be happy with. Is it worth buying a PD reserve
in
JEDEI190
For what it's worth, let me put my 2 cents in on your plite.
I have been under both canopies. The raven is a strong canopy, it is TSO'ed as
a reserve, so using it as a main is not a bad idea at all. Mains are not and do
not have to be TSO'ed to any specification. I have flown the Raven-2,3, and 4,
both as a reserve (1 time) and a main. They are well built, and fly great.
When i bought my new rig, I opted for a PD reserve. they will allow more of a
wing-loading than the raven, so you can use a size smaller. They have the PD
quallity that I really like. Bottom-line, after chopping and riding my PD home.
I will stay with the Pd over all others.
Call PD, they will let you demo a reserve to see if you like it. I think
Percision will too.
No matter which you choose, you will have made a wise decision. Both are very
good canopies.
Blue Skies.....
Tony
Povl H. Pedersen
Espen <zepp...@iastate.edu> transmitted:
>Marty wrote:
>>
>> >But you also don't want a reserve that's significantly bigger than your main,
>> <SNIP>
>> >Espen G. - Annoying little fuck (courtesy of the 'Tree People')
>> >135 main, 143 reserve, I guess I picked the downplane
>>
>> 143-135 = 8 sq. ft. That's significant?
>
>Not really, but I'm not sure if the reserve nor main cares what's
>significant. I haven't heard of anyone having a problem with those two
>canopies yet, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
What is the exact problem ? What leads to a downplane ? Will the
smaller reserve being faster push the main forward, and thus down ?
I am just about buying, and I have let myself convince to get a smaller
reserve (155 sq ft Techno for a 170 Spectre or 175 Triathlon). The Techno
reserves supposedly flies like a reserve one size bigger because of the
contruction.
> If so, I'm gonna be a
>> downplane waiting to happen - I was thinking of getting a ZP 190 or
>> F-111 200-something, but eventually coming down to a ZP 170. I wasn't
>> even thinking of downsizing my reserve (181 sq. feet). Is this going
>> to be really ugly if I ever have 2 out?
>
>I seriously doubt it. I didn't say 'you *will* get a downplane'. The chances
>are higher the larger the difference is (or so I was told, not a rigger so I
>have to ask about these things) so yours, and mine, would be relatively small
>I gather. Anyone got some figures to throw on the table for this guy? I
>don't.
There is also another thing to think of when looking at downplanes, the
reserves are usually the slower F-111 material, meaning that they will
probably not be moving as fast forward as your ZP main. Maybe downplanes
caused by the reserve is a thing of the past ?
Or someone with the knowledge, please enligthen me !
>> Soft openings,
>
>That's a Sabre I'm packing, so I really doubt it ;o)
People do make the strangest choices if they can :)
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