ChristSkyd responds to Josh W.
Ron Schott
>Please explain the following contradictions, errors, and mistakes found in
>the Holy Bible (aka "His word"):
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> Jesus, the false prophet:
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> Matthew 24:29-34
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> [T]he sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the
>stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. ...
>They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and
>great glory. ... I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not
>pass away until all these things have happened.
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> 16:27-28
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> For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his
>angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I
>tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before
>they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
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> Everyone Jesus was speaking to has died, and yet there's no second
>coming. Hmmm....
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> Blatant contradictions:
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> Genesis 32:30
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> So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God
>face to face, and my life was preserved."
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> Exodus 33:11
> The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his
>friend.
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> John 1:18
> No one has ever seen God.
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>Is this the loving, merciful God you're talking about Ron?
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>Exodus 21:20-21
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>If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a
>direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the
>slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
>
>1 Peter 2:13
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>Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among
>men.
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>2:18
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>Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to
>those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
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>Leviticus 25:44-45
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>Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from
>them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents
>living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they
>will become your property.
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>Josh
To understand Scripture you have to understand that the Bible is a collection
of 66 books written by approximately 44 different authors over a period of
1,500 years. It is Holy Spirit inspired and requires Holy Spirit
interpretation. The Scripture itself is used to explain Scripture. But first
you must have the Holy Spirit in you.
To receive the Holy Spirit you must seek salvation through Jesus Christ. He
alone is the only way to know God and have a personal intimate relationship
with Him. It is based on perfect love. It is not based on acedemic or
scientific experimentation. Only God can save, only the Holy Spirit call you to
the decision point.
You have stated that do not believe that God exists. I understand that and
believe that at your age, within your peer group, that is cool supposition. I
was pretty much the same when I was in college also.
When you are older and have taken on the responsibilities of life, e.g.
marriage, family, mortgage, etc. and you come face to face with circumstances
you cannot control, with pain and anxiety you cannot conquer, then you will
understand the need for salvation. Then maybe the Holy Spirit will call to the
foot of Christ's cross and ask you to change your mind and accept Jesus for
your salvation.
If He does you can say yes or no. If you say yes, then the Holy Spirit will
begin to explain those things in your life you do not understand and Scripture
you need to interpret. If you say no, I hope He will give you another chance,
as He did me. The one unpardonable sin is to reject and blaspheme the Holy
Spirit.
So, at this juncture it is folly for me to join you in debate. I choose not to.
You must seek you own path.
Prov 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like
him.
You may wish to respond privately by Email. I'll answer back
Ron Schott
D1120
CHRISTIAN SKYDIVERS ASSOCIATION
http://hometown.aol.com/christskyd/index.html
Greg
bigjim
would be posting this, but, about the bible, TAKE IT SOMWHERE ELSE. This
bandwith is for skydiving, questioning sexual persuasion and policical
affiliation, with a malicious personal attack thrown in now and again for
good measure. There must be a rec.biblestudy, or maybe you can get Sangrio
to open a God Forum next to the new kitty forum. But I for one don't want
to filter thru what will always be an endless debate about something I
don't give a flying fuck about, even if it may be inspired by the holy ghost
or whomever, just to get to the good stuff, like whether or not David is
queer.
JDub
> To understand Scripture you have to understand that the Bible is a
> collection of 66 books written by approximately 44 different authors
> over a period of 1,500 years.
Actually, it's more like 2,200 years, but that still leaves us with the
undeniable fact that the bible is inconsistent.
Not to mention that the conflicting quotes I provided about the second
coming of Christ both came from the book of Mathew.
In Genesis, Jacob sees God, then later, in John, it clearly says that no one
has seen God.
It just doesn't make any sense.
> You have stated that do not believe that God exists. I understand
> that and believe that at your age, within your peer group, that is
> cool supposition. I was pretty much the same when I was in college
> also.
Just because your beliefs were based upon what made you feel "cool" and
accepted does not mean I base my own beliefs on such shallow grounds.
> When you are older and have taken on the responsibilities of life,
> e.g. marriage, family, mortgage, etc. and you come face to face with
> circumstances you cannot control, with pain and anxiety you cannot
> conquer, then you will understand the need for salvation.
Ron, I am married, I have a mortgage, and I've been on this planet for well
over thirty years. I've already come face to face with circumstances I can't
control.
Pain and anxiety are another matter. I can control, or at least cope with
them without believing in fairy tales.
> So, at this juncture it is folly for me to join you in debate. I
> choose not to. You must seek you own path.
>
> Prov 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also
> be like him.
Right back atcha! ;-)
Proberbs 13:16 Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool displays
folly.
--
Josh
Lucky4040
>to filter thru what will always be an endless debate about something I
>don't give a flying fuck about, even if it may be inspired by the holy ghost
>or whomever, just to get to the good stuff, like whether or not David is
>queer.
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AWWWWWWWWWWMENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
LORD OF THE SKY
"bigjim" <big...@the-beach.net> wrote in message
news:vr0i791...@corp.supernews.com...
, just to get to the good stuff, like whether or not David is
> queer.
Well he does hate women and is taking his DZO on an extended date
/sex tour of, as he puts it,.. "The land of smiles".
Here's a disgusting visual.. David with that stuff on his lip, a
really big smile , and the caption ...
"Got Milk?"
Airman1270
Hey Ron:
Nice going. After doing the noon news at my radio station, we
usually play about 30-40 minutes of gospel music, a popular holdover
from our days as a country music station. Yesterday I finished the
news and noticed I was the only one in the place, as the guy who
usually plays the tunes had an appointment. So I filled in. While
playing a bunch of random songs (as I don't know much about southern
gospel music) I was reading these posts and came across your reply to
Josh. I read it on the air. Got at least one compliment from a
listener.
Thanks for your efforts here. I must admit the "pearls before
swine" thing comes to mind, but if I remember correctly, you are just
responding to questions asked by people who presumably wanted answers.
Cheers,
Jon
A-9459
FL #28
Deut. 23:13 ;)
Ron Schott
>over thirty years. I've already come face to face with circumstances I can't
>control.
>Pain and anxiety are another matter. I can control, or at least cope with
>them without believing in fairy tales.
>
My mistake, I apologize. I thought you were the same Josh who was living at
home and going to college in the summer of 2002 and was concerned about his
mother finding out about his base jumping trip to Norway. That Josh gave me the
impression he was about 20 YO +or-.
Airman1270
tales...
This desire to be in control is at the heart of the sin thing. I,
too, have taken "control", not always with positive results. I cannot
claim to have always conducted myself within the parameters of
Biblical teaching, but it seems that when I obey these guidelines
things work out okay, and when I stray from them the trouble starts.
It is interesting how people react to the Gospel. It's not enough
to simply not be interested, or to ask questions respectfully. Many
people feel the need to belittle those whose beliefs differ from their
own. Note, for example, how the people who ridicule any talk of Jesus
are all too willing to speak respectfully of Judaism, with its
Passover angel of death thing. Of all the spiritual belief systems, it
seems atheism is the most irrational. I find it much easier to believe
that God created everthing than to believe that everything just
"happened." I have no problem believing that a God who can speak the
universe into existence can also pull off a virgin birth if He wanted
to...
I would like to pose a question to the skeptics, the "not sures",
and the angry, hostile God-haters. Please resist the temptation to
answer a question I did not ask:
IF God is real;
IF the Bible is true;
IF Jesus is who He claimed to be; and, most of all,
IF it were possible to prove all this without any room for doubt,
Would you receive this as good news, or would you be disappointed?
Cheers,
Jon
JDub
>> Ron, I am married, I have a mortgage, and I've been on this planet
>> for well over thirty years. I've already come face to face with
>> circumstances I can't control.
>> Pain and anxiety are another matter. I can control, or at least cope
>> with them without believing in fairy tales.
>>
>
> My mistake, I apologize. I thought you were the same Josh who was
> living at home and going to college in the summer of 2002 and was
> concerned about his mother finding out about his base jumping trip to
> Norway. That Josh gave me the impression he was about 20 YO +or-.
> Ron Schott
Ron:
I am the same Josh, but that was 99/2000.
I moved back home for two years to make it financially feasible to finish
college.
Then, I moved back into the home I bought close to a decade earlier, and got
married to my sweatheart.
Mistake or not, you've still managed to avoid addressing any of my
questions.
--
Josh
JDub
> ...I can control, or at least cope...without believing in fairy
> tales...
>
>
> This desire to be in control is at the heart of the sin thing. I,
> too, have taken "control", not always with positive results. I cannot
> claim to have always conducted myself within the parameters of
> Biblical teaching, but it seems that when I obey these guidelines
> things work out okay, and when I stray from them the trouble starts.
This is not entirely surprising. I share many (but not all) of the values
emphasized in the bible. You don't have to be a Christian to value honesty,
the golden rule, etcetera.
> It is interesting how people react to the Gospel. It's not enough
> to simply not be interested, or to ask questions respectfully.
Uhm...I asked questions respectfully, and all I got was a condescending
attitude and sidestepping of the issues.
> Of all the spiritual belief systems, it
> seems atheism is the most irrational. I find it much easier to believe
> that God created everthing than to believe that everything just
> "happened."
If rationality is at all important to you, ask yourself this:
If it's so easy to just believe in God, where did God come from? If God just
is, or God just happened, how is that more rational to believe than that the
universe just is?
Isn't it more honest, more rational to simply admit that we don't know?
> I would like to pose a question to the skeptics, the "not sures",
> and the angry, hostile God-haters. Please resist the temptation to
> answer a question I did not ask:
I don't hate God. I don't even believe in God.
> IF God is real;
> IF the Bible is true;
> IF Jesus is who He claimed to be; and, most of all,
> IF it were possible to prove all this without any room for doubt,
>
> Would you receive this as good news, or would you be disappointed?
I think I'd be confused, since there are so many irreconcilable
contradictions in the bible.
--
Josh
LORD OF THE SKY
"Ron Schott" <chris...@aol.comsin> wrote in message
news:20031110093704...@mb-m13.aol.com...
> To understand Scripture you have to understand that the Bible is a
collection
> of 66 books written by approximately 44 different authors over a period of
> 1,500 years.
OK, I'm with that.
> It is Holy Spirit inspired and requires Holy Spirit
> interpretation. The Scripture itself is used to explain Scripture. But
first
> you must have the Holy Spirit in you.
So God didn't intend any but the "saved " to understand his great book?
The same book that contains His commandments and the instructions/
requirements of how to enter the gates of heaven?
So , pretty much, and correct me if I misunderstand what you are preaching
here ,Ron, but it appears that you believe that only those who have the Holy
Spirit already within them can understand the teachings of the Bible and
gain access to Heaven. As Founder/ Director of the Christian Skydivers
Association , is this the Associations' official position, or is this your
own private position?Or are your and the Associations position one and the
same?
I'm referring to your comment that " The Scripture itself is used to
explain Scripture. But first you must have the Holy Spirit in you."
Tell me Ron,
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY ,seeker of Light
SkydiverRick
Ron Schott
>I am the same Josh, but that was 99/2000.
>I moved back home for two years to make it financially feasible to finish
>college.
>Then, I moved back into the home I bought close to a decade earlier, and got
>married to my sweatheart.
>
>Mistake or not, you've still managed to avoid addressing any of my
>questions.
>
>--
>Josh
I do the best I can to answer your questions. The communication problem, as I
see it, is that there is a major difference on the basis of belief. You say you
do not believe in God and want me to explain what you believe are
contradictions in the Bible. It will not make any difference what I post. You
don't believe.
Now move on to my next response to Lordosky.
Airman1270
> attitude and sidestepping of the issues.
Not from me...
> I think I'd be confused, since there are so many irreconcilable
> contradictions in the bible.
This charge is frequently made by people who haven't taken the
time to
SERIOUSLY study the evidence. There may be some apparent
contradictions, but they involve relatively minor issues.
We have become adept at creating a special vocabulary designed to
thwart communication on the matter. When someone says something
respectful about Christianity, or attempts to offer explanation
regarding some issues brought up here (on a skydiving newsgroup,
chuckle chuckle) we can expect to hear such words as "prosyletizing"
or "forcing" religion on the listener. I've been jumping for 21 years,
and have discussed the sport in passionate, enthusiastic detail, often
with people who have no interest in participating. I have encouraged
people to make a jump, and have offered to drive them to the DZ, etc.
Yet, nobody has ever accused me of ramming parachuting down their
throat.
Try this sometime. You're with a group of friends, co-workers,
etc., talking about whatever's in the news that week. When it's your
turn, say something like "...you know, the Bible says thus and so
about (whatever the topic of conversation happens to be)..." Be brief
& concise, then yield the floor to the next guy and wait. In most
cases, the original topic will grind to a halt, and the new topic will
be something like "What right to you have to exchange this information
with us?" One of the resons there's so much confusion regarding
Christianity is because we've nearly made it a crime to tell people
about Jesus.
Jon
Ron Schott
>Josh. I read it on the air. Got at least one compliment from a
>listener.
> Thanks for your efforts here. I must admit the "pearls before
>swine" thing comes to mind, but if I remember correctly, you are just
>responding to questions asked by people who presumably wanted answers.
>
>Cheers,
>Jon
>A-9459
>FL #28
>Deut. 23:13 ;)
>
Yes, it always starts this way. Someone poses a question and I respond. My
response is taken as an invitation to argue, which I choose not to do. My main
purpose for participating in these threads is to provide a witness to the
lurkers. I always get a few Emails from people who do not post, which leads to
requests for CSA applications.
CSA is a fellowship the same as POPS or the Freak Brothers. I do not try to
force the gospel on anyone.
What is "FL #28?"
Are you the same Jon as CSA9?
Ron Schott
> The same book that contains His commandments and the instructions/
>requirements of how to enter the gates of heaven?
>
> So , pretty much, and correct me if I misunderstand what you are preaching
>here ,Ron, but it appears that you believe that only those who have the Holy
>Spirit already within them can understand the teachings of the Bible and
>gain access to Heaven. As Founder/ Director of the Christian Skydivers
>Association , is this the Associations' official position, or is this your
>own private position?Or are your and the Associations position one and the
>same?
>
> I'm referring to your comment that " The Scripture itself is used to
>explain Scripture. But first you must have the Holy Spirit in you."
>
> Tell me Ron,
>
> "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY ,seeker of Light
The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to draw one closer to Jesus Christ. If you
don't know Jesus then the Holy Spirit will lead you to the point of acceptance.
That is your decision. I think everyone gets the chance to decide. The
Scripture is quite clear that more reject Jesus than accept Him. To accept Him
you must repent. Repentance means to change your mind about Christ and to
accept Him as the Son of God, accept His death on the cross as payment for your
sin, and accept His resurrection. That is how you become saved.
In my case that meant to REALIZE that I was lost and dying and had no hope. I
surrendered and asked Him to come into my heart, come into my life and save me.
He did, just as the Bible says He will.
When you truly accept Christ, you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit in you.
He begins to change your thought processes leading you into an ever increasing
relationship with God.
Until you accept Christ the Holy Spirit is outside your personality. When you
repent and invite Him in He comes into your personality.
With the gift of the Holy Spirit the meaning of the Scriptures, the Holy Spirit
inspired word of God, will start to become meaningful. It is one of the ways,
the primary way, that God reveals Himself and His plan for your life to you.
Mt 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way
that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
Mt 7:14 "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to
life, and there are few who find it.
My hope is that many sport parachutists find the narrow way. I believe it will
be the maximum fulfillment of what we first sought when we decided to make our
second jump.
bigjim
Excerpt from paragraph 1
If you don't know Jesus then the Holy Spirit will lead you to the point of
acceptance
Excerpt from paragraph 4
Until you accept Christ the Holy Spirit is outside your personality.
Good job, Ron. You managed to do a rhetorical 180 in just 3 short
paragraphs.
JDub
>> Uhm...I asked questions respectfully, and all I got was a
>> condescending attitude and sidestepping of the issues.
>
>
> Not from me...
Well you did state that atheism is irrational, and then avoided addressing
my response to that point.
>> I think I'd be confused, since there are so many irreconcilable
>> contradictions in the bible.
>
>
> There may be some apparent
> contradictions, but they involve relatively minor issues.
The second coming did not occur within the lifetime of some of Jesus's
contemporaries, but according to the bible, it was supposed to. That's a
minor issue?
The all knowing, loving God commands the slaughter of innocents, condones
slavery, and get's jealous.
Those are minor contradictions?
> We have become adept at creating a special vocabulary designed to
> thwart communication on the matter. When someone says something
> respectful about Christianity, or attempts to offer explanation
> regarding some issues brought up here (on a skydiving newsgroup,
> chuckle chuckle) we can expect to hear such words as "prosyletizing"
> or "forcing" religion on the listener. I've been jumping for 21 years,
> and have discussed the sport in passionate, enthusiastic detail, often
> with people who have no interest in participating. I have encouraged
> people to make a jump, and have offered to drive them to the DZ, etc.
> Yet, nobody has ever accused me of ramming parachuting down their
> throat.
Maybe that's because Skydivers aren't knocking on peoples doors, attempting
to pass legislation imposing their values on everyone else, and such. Not to
mention that everyone believes in airplanes and parachutes, it's just that
not everyone wants to trust their lives to them.
> Try this sometime. You're with a group of friends, co-workers,
> etc., talking about whatever's in the news that week. When it's your
> turn, say something like "...you know, the Bible says thus and so
> about (whatever the topic of conversation happens to be)..." Be brief
> & concise, then yield the floor to the next guy and wait. In most
> cases, the original topic will grind to a halt, and the new topic will
> be something like "What right to you have to exchange this information
> with us?"
Nonsense. More than likely, I'd simply be challenged to explain some of the
absurdities that are held up as truth.
> One of the resons there's so much confusion regarding
> Christianity is because we've nearly made it a crime to tell people
> about Jesus.
If that's true, than how come when I invite you guys to tell me about it,
you decline, avoid the issues, change the subject, or summarily dismiss me
as being irrational?
Here's an opportunity to clear up some of that confusion.
--
Josh
JDub
>> Ron:
>> I am the same Josh, but that was 99/2000.
>> I moved back home for two years to make it financially feasible to
>> finish college.
>> Then, I moved back into the home I bought close to a decade earlier,
>> and got married to my sweatheart.
>>
>> Mistake or not, you've still managed to avoid addressing any of my
>> questions.
>>
>> --
>> Josh
> I thought you were younger. My interpretation of your posts was wrong.
>
> I do the best I can to answer your questions. The communication
> problem, as I see it, is that there is a major difference on the
> basis of belief. You say you do not believe in God and want me to
> explain what you believe are contradictions in the Bible. It will not
> make any difference what I post. You don't believe.
I don't believe because I can't reconcile all of the contradictions with the
idea of an all knowing, loving God.
If you can, isn't it your duty as a good Christian to share that with me?
Of course it is.
If you could explain these things you would, if not for me, than for anyone
else that might be reading.
You can't explain it because it doesn't make sense.
Save my soul, show me that I'm wrong isn't the holy spirit in you?
--
Josh
Mr. MOM
>you decline, avoid the issues, change the subject, or summarily dismiss me
>as being irrational?
Well...you almost got it right. They're not dismissing you because you're
irrational. They're dismissing you because you're a closed minded bigot, and
simply just a waste of their fucking time.
USPA SUCKS
...and if you have to ask why...then you are a fool.
Mr. MOM
The only guarantee in Skydiving is ... you WILL land !
Ron Schott
>idea of an all knowing, loving God.
You could get a lot of your questions answered with a good Bible study
reference, e.g. Halley's Bible Handbook.
>If you can, isn't it your duty as a good Christian to share that with me?
>Of course it is.
No, it is not. See Mark 16:
15: And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every
creature.
16: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe
will be condemned.
>If you could explain these things you would, if not for me, than for anyone
>else that might be reading.
>You can't explain it because it doesn't make sense.
>Save my soul, show me that I'm wrong isn't the holy spirit in you?
I can't save your soul. That is between you and God.
I am a professional counselor. I never waste my time trying to help someone who
does not want the help. For example, I can't make an addict stop using if they
don't want to. You don't want to believe, ergo I can't make you believe.
Adolescent rebellion can only be overcame by the desire to learn from
experience. You haven't been faced with hopelessness yet. Your time will come
and then you will have the opportunity to reconsider, or repent as the Bible
puts it. Until then I can do nothing for you.
Ron Schott
???
If you don't know Christ the Holy Spirit will try to bring to Him. If you know
Christ, the Holy Spirit works from within. The body is the temple but you have
to invite Him in.
I don't understand what you mean.
Ron Schott
>to pass legislation imposing their values on everyone else, and such. Not to
>mention that everyone believes in airplanes and parachutes, it's just that
>not everyone wants to trust their lives to them.
>
I realize this is Jon's post but I would like to interject a comment here.
In my neighborhood there are some churches that occasionally send folks around
inviting you to come worship with them. Not often but sometimes they do.
The only folks that I know who regularly knock on doors and hand out propaganda
are the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons. Neither of those organizations are
of the Christian faith. They are false cults. There is much written on their
tactics and their false doctrine.
JimBo
>From: chris...@aol.comsin (Ron Schott)
>The only folks that I know who regularly knock on doors and hand out
>propaganda
>are the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons. Neither of those organizations
>are
>of the Christian faith. They are false cults.
Ron....Ive stayed out of the religious fanaticism in your posts. This needs a
response.
MOM is right...you are a closed minded bigot.....and you might try looking up
the work "cult" in your dictionary....it applies to all of you religious
idiots.
You are just about to become a member of a select club.
Jim D-10154
funjumper ...retired hoe
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
Airman1270
addressing my response to that point...
I was mostly poking some toungue-in-cheek fun at those who
dismiss the single most researched person in history as a mere "fairy
tale."
>...The all knowing, loving God commands the slaughter of innocents,
condones
> slavery, and get's jealous. Those are minor contradictions?...
This is why it's difficult to understand Scripture without
understanding its context. The only time God commanded the slaughter
of anybody is when they deliberately & consistently disobeyed his
simple commands. Furthermore, these events occurred in Old Testament
times. Jesus changed the way we deal with sin.
As for slavery, this comes up frequently. God does not condone
slavery. ("Treat others as you would want to be treated...")However,
slavery has been an integral part of many cultures throughout human
history. The writers were addressing people who lived during these
times. There's no way they would have been able to simply do away with
this practice; instead, they were trying to encourage slave owners to
treat their slaves with respect & compassion. (These principles
translate to todays workplace.) Later in history, it was through the
efforts of Christians that slavery was slowly eradicated from many
societies.
Josh, I'm not an evangelist. The reason I did not respond to
every point you brought up is because I don't feel like taking the
time in this forum. You're asking good questions. If you're serious
about learning who Jesus is and understanding the Bible, I hope you're
doing more than writing to newsgroups such as this. Find a
Bible-believing church, ask to meet with the pastor, and discuss your
concerns. As long as you are not simply looking for an argument, you
will be well received.
Come to Rome and jump with us sometime.
Cheers,
Jon
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colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
Date: 1617
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
<health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or
book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b :
a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
top posted for emphasis
SkydiverRick
> Ron Schott
> D1120
> CHRISTIAN SKYDIVERS ASSOCIATION
> http://hometown.aol.com/christskyd/index.html
What do they have to do to become a real cult?
Jerry K.
I'm not knocking or promoting any one or several religions and/or
cults but it's very true that Christianity for a good amount of time
(but not to its followers) was itself also a "cult" and, depending on
who you talked to, chock full of false doctrine and questionable
tactics.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
(but not to its followers) was itself also a "cult" and,..."
was??
bigjim
> I don't understand what you mean.
At least you admit it.
Ron Schott
>response.
Jim, I'm not very religious at all. Religion refers to ritual and I don't do
much of that.
Fanatic? Yes, I'm a Jesus fanatic. That is a person who loves Jesus more than
you do.
>MOM is right...you are a closed minded bigot.....
I think he was refering to the other party.
and you might try looking up
>the work "cult" in your dictionary....it applies to all of you religious
>idiots.
>You are just about to become a member of a select club.
I am a member of the narrow way but it is no secret.
>
>Jim D-10154
>funjumper ...retired hoe
>Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
Ron Schott
>
I like that. 8-{) Good one.
JDub
> Main Entry: cult
> Pronunciation: 'k<
> Function: noun
> Usage: often attributive
> Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care,
> adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
> Date: 1617
> 1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
> 2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of
> adherents 3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also :
> its body of adherents 4 : a system for the cure of disease based on
> dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
> 5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as
> a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or
> intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by
> such devotion
6: A religion *other* than the one that the speaker adheres to.
-Josh
JDub
>> Maybe that's because Skydivers aren't knocking on peoples doors,
>> attempting to pass legislation imposing their values on everyone
>> else, and such. Not to mention that everyone believes in airplanes
>> and parachutes, it's just that not everyone wants to trust their
>> lives to them.
>>
>
> I realize this is Jon's post but I would like to interject a comment
> here.
>
> In my neighborhood there are some churches that occasionally send
> folks around inviting you to come worship with them. Not often but
> sometimes they do.
>
> The only folks that I know who regularly knock on doors and hand out
> propaganda are the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons. Neither of
> those organizations are of the Christian faith. They are false cults.
I won't argue about which religions constitute true Christianity. You guys
can beat each other about the head over that for another couple thousand
years.
However, you failed to address the other point: that Christians try to
impose their world view on the rest of us via legislation.
As for false cults:
Do you mean minor cults, as opposed to Christianity, one of the three major
cults?
Josh
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>the work "cult" in your dictionary....it >applies to all of you religious
and this rebuke comes from a USPA cult member? Some one who pays his dues
religiously? Cast no stones at Ron ya fat peasant for you worship self every
weekend ohm ohm ohm o~;)P
"Fit Via Vi"
Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
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>>> Maybe that's because Skydivers >>>aren't knocking on peoples doors,
> I realize this is Jon's post but I would like to interject a comment
>> here.
>>
>> In my neighborhood there are some churches that occasionally
>send
>> folks around inviting you to come worship with them. Not often but
>> sometimes they do.
>>
>> The only folks that I know who >regularly knock on doors and hand out
> propaganda are the Jehovah's Witnesses >and the Mormons. J Dub.
look on the bright side, their not driving truck bombs thru the front gate like
the nuts in the middle east...those two cults you mention mainly the first like
to argue religion, since USPA people like to argue
maybe ya artta invite them in and offer them a beer ohm ohm ohm o~;)P
JDub
>> Ron....Ive stayed out of the religious fanaticism in your posts.
>> This needs a response.
>
> Jim, I'm not very religious at all. Religion refers to ritual and I
> don't do much of that.
Bzzt. Wrong again.
Religion:
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) :
the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or
devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes,
beliefs, and practices
Typical weezilish redefinition of terms to conform to your weird version of
reality.
>
>> MOM is right...you are a closed minded bigot.....
>
> I think he was refering to the other party.
Hey! You are correct about that. Moron Of the Millenium probably does think
I'm a closed minded bigot, but I didn't see his post.
Of course, that's because he's incapable of understanding the arguments I've
put forth. He *always* argued straw men when we attempted debate.
Like you, he couldn't hold his own in a true debate of ideas and had to
resort to predictable strategies.
You make up excuses to dodge the issues, he made up phony ideas to dispute.
--
Josh
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>> Main Entry: cult
>>>>>snip long list definition<<<<<<<<
>6: A religion *other* than the one that the >speaker adheres to.
>-Josh
ah ha....the bottom line! ohm ohm ohm
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concerned?
Mike Spurgeon
> Fanatic? Yes, I'm a Jesus fanatic. That is a person who loves Jesus more than
> you do.
A fanatic is someone that can't change their mind, and won't
change the subject.
Capt. hook
shit they rarelly even change the thread headers.....just keep right on arguing
;)
JimBo
>From: chris...@aol.comsin (Ron Schott)
>Fanatic? Yes, I'm a Jesus fanatic. That is a person who loves Jesus more than
>you do.
Ron...you are every bit as addicted to this "drug" as you were to any one you
have ever experienced......with the same drawbacks....alienation and
castigation
Very sad.
Jim D-10154
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>have ever experienced......with the same >drawbacks....alienation and
>castigation
>Very sad.
>
>Jim D-10154
and you besides being an asshole have what to show for your addiction & belief
system dz hoe?
JDub
>> ...Well you did state that atheism is irrational, and then avoided
> addressing my response to that point...
>
> I was mostly poking some toungue-in-cheek fun at those who
> dismiss the single most researched person in history as a mere "fairy
> tale."
I don't dispute the existence of Jesus, I just dispute the assertion that he
was anything other than a man.
> The only time God commanded the slaughter
> of anybody is when they deliberately & consistently disobeyed his
> simple commands.
What simple commands did the babies in the following passage disobey?:
"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now
go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them
not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
> Furthermore, these events occurred in Old Testament
> times. Jesus changed the way we deal with sin.
I see, so if one was unfortunate enough to be born before Christ, they had
to endure a cruel God? Has God grown up since then?
> As for slavery, this comes up frequently. God does not condone
> slavery. ("Treat others as you would want to be treated...")However,
> slavery has been an integral part of many cultures throughout human
> history. The writers were addressing people who lived during these
> times. There's no way they would have been able to simply do away with
> this practice; instead, they were trying to encourage slave owners to
> treat their slaves with respect & compassion.
So in the following passage, it's compassionate and respectful to beat your
slave as long as they are not bed ridden for more than a couple of days
afterwards?
Exodus 21:20-21
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a
direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the
slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
(These principles
> translate to todays workplace.) Later in history, it was through the
> efforts of Christians that slavery was slowly eradicated from many
> societies.
I think it had a lot more to do with the industrial revolution. Machines can
do much of the labor that slaves used to.
Further, there were a lot of Christians that used the bible to defend their
right to own (and beat) slaves.
> Josh, I'm not an evangelist. The reason I did not respond to
> every point you brought up is because I don't feel like taking the
> time in this forum. You're asking good questions. If you're serious
> about learning who Jesus is and understanding the Bible, I hope you're
> doing more than writing to newsgroups such as this. Find a
> Bible-believing church, ask to meet with the pastor, and discuss your
> concerns. As long as you are not simply looking for an argument, you
> will be well received.
That hasn't been my experience so far. As a young adult, I was treated as a
trouble maker even though at the time I really believed but was confused
about a few things.
> Come to Rome and jump with us sometime.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
--
Josh
JDub
>> I don't believe because I can't reconcile all of the contradictions
>> with the idea of an all knowing, loving God.
>
> You could get a lot of your questions answered with a good Bible study
> reference, e.g. Halley's Bible Handbook.
>
>> If you can, isn't it your duty as a good Christian to share that
>> with me?
>> Of course it is.
>
> No, it is not. See Mark 16:
> 15: And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel
> to every creature.
> 16: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does
> not believe will be condemned.
Funny interpretation you've got. I could see you using the same passage to
justify proselytizing.
>> If you could explain these things you would, if not for me, than for
>> anyone else that might be reading.
>> You can't explain it because it doesn't make sense.
>> Save my soul, show me that I'm wrong isn't the holy spirit in you?
>
> I can't save your soul. That is between you and God.
>
> I am a professional counselor. I never waste my time trying to help
> someone who does not want the help. For example, I can't make an
> addict stop using if they don't want to. You don't want to believe,
> ergo I can't make you believe.
Who said I don't want to believe? I've got no reason to, and your inablity
to address legitimate confusion doesn't help.
Earlier you cited a bible passage that said you shouldn't answer fools, but
that conflicts with this bible passage:
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own
conceit.
So which is it?
Whichever one is convenient?
Weeelllll...*isn't that special*?!
> Adolescent rebellion can only be overcame by the desire to learn from
> experience.
There you go again clinging to the idea that I'm an adolescent like it's a
big ole stuffed teddy bear.
--
Josh
JimBo
>There you go again clinging to the idea that I'm an adolescent like it's a
>big ole stuffed teddy bear.
maybe its a christian teddy bear
Capt. hook
>If a man beats his male or female slave >with a rod and the slave dies as a
>direct result, he must be punished, but >he is not to be punished if the
>slave gets up after a day or two, since >the slave is his property.
>
shit that wuz centurys ago...ya kint even take a kid out behind the woodshed
and whale the shit out of em anymore, the US
& Royal Navys no longer tie sailors to a grate before the mast and flay
them...what yew got going on here is apples and oranges arguements...yer trying
to apply modern nicetys to culture's long dead...
why are you worried about it anyway?
fuk they won't even let us hang people in
Texas anymore and I can remember when we cud....now ya gotta put them to sleep
like animals WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT! ;(
Mr. MOM
>>
>> I think he was refering to the other party.
>
>Hey! You are correct about that. Moron Of the Millenium probably does think
>I'm a closed minded bigot, but I didn't see his post.
BWWWWAAAAAhahahahahaaaaaaa. Oh...that's precious.
>Of course, that's because he's incapable of understanding the arguments I've
>put forth.
BBBWWWAAAAAhahahahahaaaaa.
Oh...that too is precious
He *always* argued straw men when we attempted debate.
OH....OH....OH....your killin me here......BBBWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHA
>Like you, he couldn't hold his own in a true debate of ideas and had to
>resort to predictable strategies.
Doh.....now there it is boys and girls. This little chickenshit pinhead has put
me in his kill file. Then, and only then, he becomes even more arrogant by
boldly stating I can't debate.
However, this little fuckface coward has failed to tell the whole story, and
would prefer to run and hide from me. You see boys and girls....he is a close
minded bigot, and his past posts on this subject cleary show he is.
Oh....he does like to debate the topic, but....not for the purpose of possibly
being enlightened. Rather, his modus operandi is to search through the bible
for what he percieves to be contradictions, an then use them as proof the
religions of the Bible are bullshit and therefore God must not exist. It is
true that he constantly asks questions of Ron and others who don't hide their
deep religious convictions....but he does not ask out of sincerity. Rather he
asks because he attempts to goad these people into propagating the topic. His
tactic is meant to obtain more ammunition for his wanton lust to belittle Ron
and people of Ron's ilk.
He is an atheist, and he openly shows hatred towards anyone who admits to
having religious beliefs. The purpose of his posts is not to debate, but rather
to attempt to silence people that express religious views contradictory to his
own. He is what he accuses others to be.
So....this is what it comes down to with Josh. He calls me the Moron of the
Millenium, and I applaude him on his cutesy little play on my initials. Wether
I'm a moron or not, is subjective.
What is not subjective, is the fact that Josh is a spinless little coward,
because rather then subject himself to what I might say in response, he'd
rather run and hide behind his killfile.
What is not subjective, is the fact that he is a close minded bigot. And....a
hateful bigot. His modus operandi in this current thread, and past threads is
proof enough.
>You make up excuses to dodge the issues, he made up phony ideas to dispute.
Yeah right.......hey Josh....here's a question for you. Why don't you come out
and fight like a man, rather than run and hide like a coward?
Here's another question. If you couldn't stand having to deal with my arguments
so much that you killfiled me, why haven't you killfiled Ron? Could it be that
on top of everything else....you're also a fuckin hypocrite?
Hey Jimbo.....I might not welcome Rons gospel quoting all the time, but I'd
rather hang in his company, than with cowardly little hateful bigots anyday. If
your puttin Ron in your killfile, you might as well put me there also.
Besides Jimbo...if you want to be pissed at anyone...be pissed at those that
goaded Ron into quoting from the Bible. He didn't start it, but once someone
has challenged him, he's NOT wrong for doing it.
USPA SUCKS
...and if you have to ask why...then you are a fool.
Mr. MOM
The only guarantee in Skydiving is ... you WILL land !
Mr. MOM
>that conflicts with this bible passage:
>PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own
>conceit.
>
>So which is it?
Thats a no brainer Josh.....you are obviously wise in your own conceit.
JimBo
>
>Besides Jimbo...if you want to be pissed at anyone...be pissed at those that
>goaded Ron into quoting from the Bible. He didn't start it, but once someone
>has challenged him, he's NOT wrong for doing it.
>
Ya really wanna know why I'm pissed at Ron ?
I'm pissed at Ron because he spouted the party line about "other" religions not
being Christian religions....and singling out the Mormons. I happen to have
been raised Mormon...although I dont practice any religion now....I know first
hand that he is full of shit regarding his statement.
The proper name of the religion is the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter day
Saints.
I had Jesus pounded into me for 18 years attending that church.
So once again....Ron you are a bigot and full of shit......but......you do have
the right to say it. Its still the USA.
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>USPA SUCKS
sounds sorta cultish in a fanatical way to me mom, hope yew ain't planning on
straping C4 on and walking thru their door to quote yer scripture;
>PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own
>>conceit.
it wud take a conceited fool to do sumthang like that...do like the mulla's
~Send someone else~ HAHAHAHAHAHA
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I've
>>put forth.
>
>BBBWWWAAAAAhahahahahaaaaa.
I agree and on top of that their arguing religion in a dogmatic way with a
secular being and shit the denominations kin't even agree on some of these
verses plus basically its about Hebrew laws and customs that applied over 2000
years ago...this kinda shit just ain't gonna translate to politically correct
type city boy skydivers now a days...but in certain parts of the middle east
and Polk County Texas
these old biblical rules still apply o~;->
Capt. hook
>>Besides Jimbo...if you want to be >>pissed at anyone...be pissed at those
>>that goaded Ron into quoting from the >>Bible. He didn't start it, but once
>>someone has challenged him, he's NOT >>wrong for doing it.
Bullshit Ron loves this shit, I noticed he will git one on the hook with it
ocassionally over the years and chum the waters for schools of fish at the same
time...shucks he's longlining and theirs a law against that within the 12 mile
limit and/or on claimed fishing grounds of any Nation in the world.
Yup he's a big time fisherman and the little
trout jump right in the boat ;->
LORD OF THE SKY
"JimBo" <sb...@aol.comnooospam> wrote in message
news:20031113213654...@mb-m06.aol.com...
> I had Jesus pounded into me for 18 years attending that church.
Butt yet the media focuses on the Catholics!!!
Capt. hook
>kinda looks like he has your never ending >admiration to show for it big
>daddy..........LOL
>
>
and here comes another example...Rons got a strong belief system in some
ancient
hard to live up to shit....skydiving on the other hand is pretty fukking
easy...all ya need is to have time, money and have no other life to git the
easy ego boost, some start from the git go....others just kinda drift across
the ego outta control line...I've
seen Church people do the same thing...
believe having been clinically dead twice or more me its all false
ego o~;)P
Capt. hook
>I had Jesus pounded into me for 18 >years attending that church.
>
is that why you hate the U.S. now?
I alway thought ya had empithy with the Arafat and the Irish commie cuz Sherman
marched thru Georgia and kicked yer
Great great grandmammys ass o~;-*
LORD OF THE SKY
ynotssor
> fuk they won't even let us hang people in Texas anymore and
> I can remember when we cud....now ya gotta put them
> to sleep like animals WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT! ;(
They get their arms swabbed with alcohol before the lethal injection too.
=B^)
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Mr. MOM
>> I can remember when we cud....now ya gotta put them
>> to sleep like animals WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT! ;(
>
>They get their arms swabbed with alcohol before the lethal injection too.
>=B^)
Thats to stave off deadly infections....isn't it?
Jerry K.
Been eating any pork lately?
...bsrp
...jlk
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>>I can remember when we cud....now ya >>gotta put them
>>to sleep like animals WHAT A CROCK >>OF SHIT! ;(
>>
>>They get their arms swabbed with alcohol before the lethal injection too.
>>=B^)
>
>Thats to stave off deadly infections....isn't it?
>
>
>...and if you have to ask why...then you are cool.
>
>Mr. MOM
>
>The only guarantee in Skydiving is ... you WILL land !
>
>
Texas has lost its mind...they let that rich cross dresser off down in
Galveston
Its time to drop back to the 1880's state
penal code and punt imho ;)P
Capt. hook
>when we cud....now ya gotta put them
>> to sleep like animals WHAT A CROCK >OF SHIT! ;(
>They get their arms swabbed with alcohol before the lethal injection too.
>=B^) tony
Well from a taxpayers point of view it's cheaper than feeding the creeps...that
alcohol swab thing is just a politically correct touch to appease the liberal's
I rukun o~;)
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boy >skydivers now a days...but in certain >parts of the middle east
>and Polk County Texas
>these old biblical rules still apply o~;->
>Been eating any pork lately?
>
>...bsrp
Religiously <smerk>
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Whalther? o~;->
Ron Schott
>not
>being Christian religions....and singling out the Mormons.
Jim, Mormonism is a false doctrine because it holds the teachings of Joseph
Smith and the Book of Mormon to be of higher value than the Bible. Mormons
believe that Jesus was the brother to Satan and that all humans are of alien
orignation. That is totally against what is taught in the Bible.
I don't mean to make you angry but you don't have the full story.
If you would like respond to me by Email. Mike Spurgeon is starting to get
upset. 8-{)
Ron Schott
D1120
CHRISTIAN SKYDIVERS ASSOCIATION
http://hometown.aol.com/christskyd/index.html
Ron Schott
>change the subject.
Mike, I think they should send me Email. But, then they wouldn't get the public
attention.
It always starts the same way. Someone asks a question or poses an incorrect
statement and I respond. Then within 3 days it explodes into vitriolic name
calling and folks saying I have no right to talk about Jesus on this NG.
"Jesus, Jesus, There's just something about that name. Master, Savior, Like the
fragrance after the rain."
If the other folks were truly comfortable in their convictions what I post
wouldn't make any difference. The fact that their emotions rise to surface
indicates anxiety and/or guilt.
We play in a sport arena where death is a viable component. Where one spends
eternity is pertinent to the overall contemplation of risk factors.
If I am wrong, it costs me nothing. If I am right, it costs the naysayers
everything. I think skydivers and base jumpers ought to be thinking very
heavily about that.
Ron Schott
>have ever experienced......with the same drawbacks....alienation and
>castigation
>Very sad.
>
Ron Schott
>trouble maker even though at the time I really believed but was confused
>about a few things.
Josh, that is a very revealing statement. Send me an Email and let's explore
that privately.
JDub
>> Subject: Re: ChristSkyd responds to Josh W.
>> From: "JDub" jwhip...@attbi.the_pooch.com
>
>> There you go again clinging to the idea that I'm an adolescent like
>> it's a big ole stuffed teddy bear.
>
> maybe its a christian teddy bear
>
You mean a stuffed Jezi?
--
Josh
SkydiverRick
> yup that covers 99.9 % of wreck alright
> shit they rarelly even change the thread headers.....just keep right
> on arguing ;)
>
>
> "Fit Via Vi"
> Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
They?
Jerry K.
>>this kinda shit just ain't gonna translate >to politically correct type city
>boy >skydivers now a days...but in certain >parts of the middle east
>>and Polk County Texas
>>these old biblical rules still apply o~;->
>
>>Been eating any pork lately?
>>
>
>>...bsrp
>
>Religiously <smerk>
So, I guess not all of thse old biblical rules still apply, at least
in Poke County.
...bsrp
...jlk
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>have ever experienced......with the >same drawbacks....alienation and
>>castigation Very sad.
and this from a half ass ole fancy lad who drives from Nevada to Calif to jump
everyweekend? HAHAHAHAHA way out man, drop another lid maybe yew will see
god out in Queerafornia ;)P
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>trouble maker even though at the time I >really believed but was confused
>about a few things.
I wuz a virtual saint till joining the Navy, they squared me away on my first
westpack cruise! hoooooboy I shudda never left the orient o~;->
Jerry K.
Heh - you forgot to mention you used to live there.
...bsrp
...jlk
Mike Spurgeon
>> A fanatic is someone that can't change their mind, and won't
change the subject.
>
>
>
> Mike, I think they should send me Email.
Yep.
> But, then they wouldn't get the public attention.
Josh never starts it.
> It always starts the same way. Someone asks a question or
poses an incorrect
> statement and I respond.
Most of the questions or statements follow something similar from
you or others.
> Then within 3 days it explodes into vitriolic name
> calling and folks saying I have no right to talk about Jesus
on this NG.
Mike O'Mara (MOM) gets pretty vitriolic, and he's on your side.
> If the other folks were truly comfortable in their convictions
what I post
> wouldn't make any difference. The fact that their emotions
rise to surface
> indicates anxiety and/or guilt.
Too bad you believe that. Josh *never* gets emotional or
vitriolic. He has well thought out opinions. Nobody tries to
refute them. Hence he wins. I think he was raised by a preacher,
hence his ability to quote the bible, and started thinking for
himself after he became an adult, if memory serves.
> We play in a sport arena where death is a viable component.
Where one spends
> eternity is pertinent to the overall contemplation of risk
factors.
> If I am wrong, it costs me nothing. If I am right, it costs
the naysayers
> everything. I think skydivers and base jumpers ought to be
thinking very
> heavily about that.
You make the incorrect assumption that they haven't.
You make the incorrect determination that they should think like you.
Capt. hook
>
>> yup that covers 99.9 % of wreck alright
>> shit they rarelly even change the >>thread headers.....just keep right
>> on arguing ;)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>They?
>
>
>Rick"
Glad you finally came to your sense's
and realized I was a real skydiver, now you may kneel and kiss my ass boy.
o~;->
Capt. hook
>>boy >skydivers now a days...but in certain >parts of the middle east
>>>and Polk County Texas
>>>these old biblical rules still apply o~;->
>>
>>>Been eating any pork lately?
>>>
>>
>>>...bsrp
>>
>>Religiously <smerk>
>
>So, I guess not all of thse old biblical rules still apply, at least
>in Poke County.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
>
following the letter of the Koran or them Bab teestes
are when they walk out of chuch Sunday
only to fuk over each other on Monday??
We ain't Hasidic Jews out here in polk county boy, were rednecks that reserve
the right to pick and choose like everybody else....sides Floyd Adams who is
68, has one wife and 3 girlfriends picks gitfiddle in honky tonks & camp
meetings both and reads the bible like a scolar sez we have been released from
the old covenents and laws, damn the man shudda been a skydiver he wudda made a
great USPA Official for funjumperso~;->
Capt. hook
>Mike, I think they should send me Email.
>
>
>Yep.
>
>But, then they wouldn't get the public >attention.
>Josh never starts it.
>
>It always starts the same way. >Someone asks a question or
>poses an incorrect
>statement and I respond.
>
yuh I got that same problem, they git pissed if I talk about their weak ass
religion ( 22nd century skydiving) HAHAHAHAHAHA o~;->
Capt. hook
>jump
>everyweekend? HAHAHAHAHA way >out >man, drop another lid maybe yew will >see
god out in Queerafornia ;)P
>Heh - you forgot to mention you used to >live there.
>
Yuh went to Dell Passo Jr. High in Sacramento, really not that far from
Lodi....might be why I'm so hip & forward thinking for a east texas redneck
huh? ;-*
JDub
> Mike, I think they should send me Email. But, then they wouldn't get
> the public attention.
Why is it that you want to take the discussion to e-mail rather than answer
here in the public forum where the discussion started?
Those that aren't interested can skip the thread or put us in their
killfiles. You always imply that you can answer my questions, yet you never
do.
The only reason I can think of is that you can't reconcile the issues I
raise with your faith.
I think you ought to think very heavily about that.
Either that explain what I'm overlooking. I assume you have a copy of the
book you suggested I read. Share the insights with us.
> It always starts the same way. Someone asks a question or poses an
> incorrect statement and I respond. Then within 3 days it explodes
> into vitriolic name calling and folks saying I have no right to talk
> about Jesus on this NG.
I don't recall anyone saying you can't talk about Jesus here. Just a request
for all of us to take the discussion elsewhere.
Further, there has been very little name calling. I insulted Mike, but Mike
and I have a long history of disagreement and my level of vitriol is a few
orders of magnitude lower than his.
> If the other folks were truly comfortable in their convictions what I
> post wouldn't make any difference. The fact that their emotions rise
> to surface indicates anxiety and/or guilt.
I'm really, truly not all that emotional about this. I simply don't buy the
whole God/Jesus myth and find it odd that so many mature, otherwise
intelligent adults believe this stuff, yet none of you ever manage to
address any of the many glaring problems with the whole concept.
> We play in a sport arena where death is a viable component. Where one
> spends eternity is pertinent to the overall contemplation of risk
> factors.
>
> If I am wrong, it costs me nothing. If I am right, it costs the
> naysayers everything. I think skydivers and base jumpers ought to be
> thinking very heavily about that.
This is a silly proposition.
Think about it:
What you are suggesting is that you might as well believe *just in case*
it's true. By that logic perhaps it would be better to become Muslim just in
case you'd get to enjoy 72 virgins in the afterlife, or maybe you really
ought to kneel down and pray to Odin just in case you can go to Valhalla. Do
you choose Christianity because that version of hell is the scariest?
Besides, is it really faith in the sense required in the bible if you call
yourself a believer *just in case* it's true?
I can't believe something just because it'd be nice if it were true, and I
really don't understand how you can.
--
Josh
D3331
accomodate yourself to that, whatever it is. If good mental images arise, that
is fine. If bad mental images arise, that is fine, too. Look on all of it as
equal, and make yourself comfortable with whatever happens. Don't fight with
what you experience, just observe it all mindfully.
-Bhante Henepola Gunaratana, "Mindfulness in Plain English"
Joe Walther
"D3331" <d3...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031114192932...@mb-m03.aol.com...
Walther responds...
Yes, but then there wouldn't be any opportunities for all of this mental
masturbation relative to this topic. You trying to start trouble here or
something? :-)
Walther
Capt. hook
berates ole holy joe! ;)
> you can't reconcile the issues I
>raise with your faith.
I use treetop as an example here dude, true believers, even the outright nuts
never have to reconcile belief...its like a psychosis....now for another
example, have you ever heard any of my skydiving theorys? woo woo shit wayyyyy
funny
beyond belief....maybe Rons fukking with yawl... counseling kin't be easy, he's
gotta blow off steam somewhere and slips a little witness in at the same
time....a waste of time if your names not in the book of life if your asking me
but mortals never know who is and who isn't so they gotta go for the shotgun
effect...seems to be a lotta yawl under condemption the way you fight it. I got
the same problem with my deciples----> Jerry Dink, Rick Skydiver plus a few
other Houston youngsters....man I give them the skydiving gospel and they wig
out...Jeeze ya wud think I wuz Jim Jones or something
hahahahahaha <insane laughter> o~;)P
LORD OF THE SKY
"Ron Schott" <chris...@aol.comsin> wrote in message
news:20031114082727...@mb-m14.aol.com...
> >Ron...you are every bit as addicted to this "drug" as you were to any one
you
> >have ever experienced......with the same drawbacks....alienation and
> >castigation
> >Very sad.
> >
> Why? Jesus saved my life.
The Easter Bunny brought me a basket!!!
JimBo
>> Why? Jesus saved my life.
>
> The Easter Bunny brought me a basket!!!
the one youre going to hell in . LOL
Jim D-10154
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
JDub
>> Subject: Re: ChristSkyd responds to Josh W.
>> From: "LORD OF THE SKY" lord...@ellijay.com
>
>>> Why? Jesus saved my life.
>>
>> The Easter Bunny brought me a basket!!!
>
> the one youre going to hell in . LOL
I'm going in a bucket, but at least I'm enjoying the ride.
Wait, I don't believe in hell.
Nevermind!
--
Josh
Capt. hook
>Why? Jesus saved my life.
>>
>The Easter Bunny brought me a basket!!!
Who was it that said "the Constitution is made for a moral religious people, it
will work for no others.......... John Adams?
bigjim
> > The Easter Bunny brought me a basket!!!
>
> the one youre going to hell in . LOL
Now you are really in trouble,Tree. The Easter Bunny is going to put you in
a basket and drag you off to some place that doesn't exist.
Joe Walther
"JimBo" <sb...@aol.comnooospam> wrote in message
news:20031114214210...@mb-m14.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: ChristSkyd responds to Josh W.
> >From: "LORD OF THE SKY" lord...@ellijay.com
>
> >> Why? Jesus saved my life.
> >
> > The Easter Bunny brought me a basket!!!
>
> the one youre going to hell in . LOL
Walther responds...
Ah... so that's where that hand-basket is!
Walther
JimBo
>Walther responds...
>
>Ah... so that's where that hand-basket is!
>
>Walther
yup....the easter bunny had it all the time.
LORD OF THE SKY
"Ron Schott" <chris...@aol.comsin> wrote in message
> Jim, Mormonism is a false doctrine because it holds the teachings of
Joseph
> Smith and the Book of Mormon to be of higher value than the Bible. Mormons
> believe that Jesus was the brother to Satan and that all humans are of
alien
> orignation. That is totally against what is taught in the Bible.
Actually that idea is in perfect harmony with the text of the Bible.
The Bible does mention that aliens(extra terrestials) mated with man
(ok, actually with female humans).
This union between "The "daughters of Man" and the "Sons of God" is
what pissed *God* off so much .
He was so pissed that the little pets he created were becoming
*enlightened *,that he destroyed Saddam and Gommorah (no Ron, the tree of
Knowledge isn't a literal reference.
Eve didn't eat an apple and become "enlightened". She got nailed by one
of your Gods associates and her offspring were born "enlightened").
Here is a supporting quote from your beloved Bible;
Genesis 6-1 "And it came to pass ,when men began to multiply on the
face of the earth,and daughters were born unto them.
***6-2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which they chose."****
Seems to me like the Bible is describing an interplanetary sex junket.
Something like American men(?) traveling to Thailand to hire prostitutes.
Of course , your interpretation of Genesis 6-1and 6-2 may be different
from mine.
I'd like to hear your *enlightened * take on it.
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
Capt. hook
>The Bible does mention that aliens(extra >terrestials) mated with man
>what pissed *God* off so much .
>He was so pissed that the little pets he >created were becoming
>*enlightened *,that he destroyed Saddam >and Gommorah (no Ron, the tree of
>Knowledge isn't a literal reference.
> Here is a supporting quote from your beloved Bible; describing an
interplanetary >sex junket. Something like American >men(?) traveling to
Thailand to hire >prostitutes.
I think I've discovered a cult leader! <g>
Capt. hook
>Jesus saved my life.
>> >
>The Easter Bunny brought me a basket!!!
you believe in the Easter Bunny too?<bfg>
LORD OF THE SKY
"bigjim" <big...@the-beach.net> wrote in message
news:vrb5tes...@corp.supernews.com...
Speaking of which... can any one tell me by how much opium production in
Afghanistan has increased since the US invasion of that fiefdom?
JimBo
>Now you are really in trouble,Tree. The Easter Bunny is going to put you in
>a basket and drag you off to some place that doesn't exist.
>
No hell huh ? You obviously havent been to my hometown Milford Utah.
LORD OF THE SKY
"Capt. hook" <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> I think I've discovered a cult leader! <g>
Keep reading Bubba,... I'l have you barefooted and sending me money in no
time!
Hey Snuffmeister.., help me out here, .. is this kool-aid to tart?
bigjim
> No hell huh ? You obviously havent been to my hometown Milford Utah.
>
even heard of it.
Although if there was such a place, it would be a lot like this thread.