To Jerry and Chuck
bigjim
states that he is trying to " square you all away." If he has been trying
to square you away 4-5 years, at least, how come you are not squared away?
I'm not sure what attributes someone that is "squared away" has, but,
whatever attributes those are, you two don't have them.
How does it feel to be just another line item on Jinnie' s (BTW, good job,
Jerry) long list of failures??
TooyT
>states that he is trying to " square you >all away." If he has been trying
>to square you away 4-5 years, at least, >how come you are not squared away?
Maybe their South Beach types biggy
or it could be
Jerry needs a bad daddy to rebell against
and
Chuck needs to relieve steam or explode
he seems to be the mood swing type Then again it could just be thebooze
talking, some people become beligerent while drinking you know, coud e to much
testostorne..could be a chemical imballance.......could be anything
ROLLING ROLLING ROLLING
~on the river~
Joe Walther
"TooyT" <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041021221914...@mb-m11.aol.com...
Walther responds...
Well, it could be one or more of the above. Since you've never met any of
them, though, the best bet is to go with "It's all in your mind!" It's going
to be interesting to see how long you can keep this going. I'll do my part,
if it keeps you off the street and away from innocent people.
Regards
Walther
TooyT
>Wrong again Edgar, no booze, interferes >with the radiation threapy.
>Could it just be YOU?
Nah I'm a happy guy....some people get pissed off when life don't seem
fair....Ifound out young it don't have to be fair, it could be you chuck be
happy don't worry they kin't send you to Vietnam again
Radiation?are they using that to treat HIV now? Get happy boy, don't waste your
time being mad....Say did I ever tell you about the time I caught NSU in
Vietnam?
It was a bitch to get anybody to take it serious hell eve the corpsman thought
it was funny, hope your dick don't fall off chuck.....life can be tuff, roll
with it I think they can sew them back on now ;-*
TooyT
>Walthers hemmoroids need
>Jerry needs
>Well, it could be one or more of the >above. Since you've never met any of
>them
Ahhhh but I know them by their yowls.
>interesting to see how long you can keep >this going
shit that crossfire thread was at 258 last time I checked joe.
>if it keeps you off the street and away >from innocent people.
>
The police do a fair job of that, They don't like philosophers standing around
drawing crowds down town my question is is their any such thing as a innocent
people?
Jerry K.
wrote:
>Both you guys have been around here for years. The digleberry regularly
>states that he is trying to " square you all away." If he has been trying
>to square you away 4-5 years, at least, how come you are not squared away?
You'd have to ask the dingleberry - my take on it is that he doesn't
actually have the power to square anyone away. It's kind of a fantasy
thing crossed with a lameass excuse for his existance here in this
backwater of the usenet.
>I'm not sure what attributes someone that is "squared away" has, but,
>whatever attributes those are, you two don't have them.
Thanks for the compliment, dude! Right back atcha!
>
>How does it feel to be just another line item on Jinnie' s (BTW, good job,
>Jerry) long list of failures??
I'm cool with it - I mean, there are so many to consider - it's just
an honor to be nominated.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: To Jerry and Chuck
>>From: to...@aol.com (TooyT)
>>Date: 10/21/04 10:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <20041021221914...@mb-m11.aol.com>
>
>>Maybe their South Beach types biggy
>> or it could be
>>Jerry needs a bad daddy to rebell against
>
>Jerry just don't like a novice like you Jimmy, rewriting the sport in his own
>image.
Well, sorta - whether he does or does not doesn't really bug me, one
way or the other, but what I do like is watching the dinglberry thrash
about whenever he gets dosed with a little reality.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>to square you away 4-5 years, at least, >how come you are not squared away?
>my take on it is that he doesn't
>actually have the power to square >anyone away. It's kind of a fantasy
>thing crossed with a lameass excuse for >his existance here in this
>backwater of the usenet.
Nope, where else couldI find so many high strung city fellows? Only here...Just
like he ret of yawlI I'm here to screw with skydivers cuz I ain't got nowhere
else to go
and nothing better to do....How come you ain't over there on dz dot com Jerry?
;)P
Tom B
"Joe Walther" <jlwal...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4ZydnYNQ1OE...@comcast.com...
>
> > Chuck needs to relieve steam or explode
> > he seems to be the mood swing type Then again it could just be thebooze
> > talking, some people become beligerent while drinking you know, coud e
to
> > much
> > testostorne..could be a chemical imballance.......could be anything
>
> Walther responds...
>
> Well, it could be one or more of the above. Since you've never met any of
> them, though, the best bet is to go with "It's all in your mind!" It's
going
> to be interesting to see how long you can keep this going. I'll do my
part,
> if it keeps you off the street and away from innocent people.
>
> Regards
>
> Walther
Interesting observation Joe. Might I suggest Snuffy is one of those
perpetual motion machines? You know, one of the ones that keep running and
running and running, but go nowhere and do nothing useful. :)
Tom B
TooyT
put it
Smart Alec old men standing around on street corners
>If the Police do decide to save society by >giving you a room,
Won't happen, think about it, they would have to listen to sea stories all the
way to the police station then durning booking.
Their smarter than that
TooyT
>what ever they are told and too callous to >heed the ramblings of old
>men...........and think,,,,,,,,,this all >happened on your watch Snuff.
>
>
Nope, it was Joes watch, he's the liberal Judge. I think arresting Officers
call them "that fucking Judge!" now because they let so many criminals go.
Besides law enforcement don't pay that well in these hick towns up here in the
woods so all the high strung young assholes go to Houston or Dallas to make
the big law dog money.
yep it was on Joes Watch not mine
TooyT
>When are you going to stand on your >hind legs and accept some responsibility
>for your actions Snuff, and stop passing >the buck? It's widely accepted to be
>your fault.
Hey! it pays to run a tight watch and that is why....Joe artta quit feeling
sorry for defendants....I'm a law abiding citizen, bet he wouldn't mind putting
my old ass under the jailand letting some menace to society go just because
they don't happen to tel sea storys! ;)P
Jerry K.
>>he has been trying
>>to square you away 4-5 years, at least, >how come you are not squared away?
>
>>my take on it is that he doesn't
>>actually have the power to square >anyone away. It's kind of a fantasy
>>thing crossed with a lameass excuse for >his existance here in this
>>backwater of the usenet.
>
>Nope, where else couldI find so many high strung city fellows?
Oh, I dunno - by your own reckoning - maybe at a dropzone?
>Only here...Just
>like he ret of yawlI I'm here to screw with skydivers cuz I ain't got nowhere
>else to go
Welllllll - there are dropzones, ya know.
>and nothing better to do....How come you ain't over there on dz dot com Jerry?
Who says I'm not?
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>Oh, I dunno - by your own reckoning - >maybe at a dropzone?
>>.Just like he rest of yawlI I'm here to screw with skydivers cuz I ain't got
>nowhere else to go
>Welllllll - there are dropzones, ya know.
I've grown to feeble to deal with DZ's
swwety, just sign my name in your log book, ya got a D don't?
>btw..How come you ain't over there on dz dot com Jerry?
>Who says I'm not?
>
Got a PROZAC script huh? 0~;-*
Jerry K.
>>where else couldI find so many high >strung city fellows?
>
>>Oh, I dunno - by your own reckoning - >maybe at a dropzone?
>
>>>.Just like he rest of yawlI I'm here to screw with skydivers cuz I ain't got
>>nowhere else to go
>
>>Welllllll - there are dropzones, ya know.
>
>I've grown to feeble to deal with DZ's
>swwety,
Well, you know what they say - 99% of skydiving is mental, ya know?
>just sign my name in your log book, ya got a D don't?
Hell, that's easy - the real test would be not splitting a gut while
you did your act live.
>>btw..How come you ain't over there on dz dot com Jerry?
>
>>Who says I'm not?
>>
>
>Got a PROZAC script huh?
Better'n that - lift tickets on account.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>The way I heard the Baker Act Story, a >certain Judge traveled to Texas to
>confer with the presiding Judge at your >hearing
It was a Federal court, the NPS come under US not local Govenment jurisdiction
And the NPS were the ones that called me crazy......Federal court for this part
of Texas is in Nawlings Loosyanna, so if they confered it wasn't in
Texas....The federal distric court over in San Antonio handles mostly drug
cases, they wudda thrown it out immediatly...The State of Texas did bring up
some States rights issues, I think the Feds were thown off by the truth of the
matter coming out, I got a clean bill and the Natzi's got transfered back to
New Jersy, bum buk Eygpt or somewhere....Now they use Texas born boys out in
these part of the woods....
It was just a culture thing, damn serious to me though I cudda ended up a ward
of the court untill guardianship was established.
Dunno Judge Joe is always splitting hairs
but I believe Judges have some latitude
on the letter of the law or else this one didn't want be sitting around over
there telling sea storys, . 0~;)P
TooyT
>>jurisdiction And the NPS were the ones >>that called me crazy.....
>Don't make them all that bad. I've been >calling you all kinds of names for
>years and you still love me.
>
Don't think the Judge loved me, cuz he gave me a Lecture & said I better not
ever appear before him again....The guy just used some wisdom, Joe is USPA2000
he might not have any. ;)
bigjim
ward
of the court untill guardianship was established.>
You are not the first nut job that slipped ever through the cracks in the
legal system and you probably won't be the last.
But the loony bin's loss is the rec.'s gain. Or... is it the other way
around??????
TooyT
>How does it feel to be just another line >item on Jinnie' s (BTW, good job,
>Jerry) long list of failures??
>
the boy expects a stipend for jumping, its Friday and he ain't at the DZ yet,
he's dicking around on wreck...
And you expect me to give him a attaboy?
The long haired shit needs to think about getting a JM rating or at least a
coaching ticket, if he insists on invading student air
space and you ya South Beach girlyboy,
why ain't you at the DZ allready? Ya cudda got a couple of jumps in by dark
slacker
Jerry K.
>>Biggyjim
>
>>How does it feel to be just another line >item on Jinnie' s (BTW, good job,
>>Jerry) long list of failures??
>>
>
>the boy expects a stipend for jumping,
No, only when I got cameras on my head and only when I come down
having shot what I was asked to shoot but a stipend? Hell - I get my
lift-ticket and money on top of that for my efforts- eats you up,
don't it?
>its Friday and he ain't at the DZ yet,
>he's dicking around on wreck...
It's Friday evening, dark and the beer light's on. What's your
excuse?
>
>And you expect me to give him a attaboy?
C'mon Jinnie - give us a kiss, sweetie!
>The long haired shit needs to think about getting a JM rating or at least a
>coaching ticket,
Think about it all the time - what's your problem? As for those
things, in of itself, I don't *need* one. I can "invade" their
airpsace whenever I want to (JM's permitting) and ya know - I'll
usually get *paid* for the invasion - eats you up, don't it?
>if he insists on invading student air
>space
Well, in that respect I got something better - the trust of the people
I jump with.
>and you ya South Beach girlyboy,
>why ain't you at the DZ allready? Ya cudda got a couple of jumps in by dark
>slacker
And again, what's your excuse? I *might* take your whine seriously
someday only if you deliver it in person - at the dz. Until then -
you're little better'n Mary Worth on ketamine.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>Hell - I get my lift-ticket and money on >top of that for my efforts- eats you
up,
Nope I was a sport jumper, free to RW~ zoo or do anything I wanted....your
bought land forced to lurk
on top of that
>its Friday and he ain't at the DZ yet,
>he's dicking around on wreck..
>It's Friday evening, dark and the beer >light's on.
yeah NOW but you been fukking around on here all afternoon, whats a matta.
Afraid Biggy is gonna get your slot on wreck's friday night fights?
> What's your excuse?
I have retired to the philosophers rocking chair,, beer lights on anytime for
retiree's
Jerry K.
>>>the boy expects a stipend for jumping,
>
>>Hell - I get my lift-ticket and money on >top of that for my efforts- eats you
>up,
>
>Nope I was a sport jumper, free to RW~ zoo or do anything I wanted....
And I ain't? Big, fat, hairy deal - I do all that, too - the
difference is that I just have this minor capability to jump with
cameras on my head.
>your
>bought land forced to lurk
Forced? Hell, skydiving's about freedom and I'm free to choose from
more choices than you were ever capable of.
>
> on top of that
>
>>its Friday and he ain't at the DZ yet,
>>he's dicking around on wreck..
>
>>It's Friday evening, dark and the beer >light's on.
>
> yeah NOW but you been fukking around on here all afternoon,
Who's to say I didn't have all this stuff scripted out last night - I
mean, you're kinda preditcable, Jinnie.
>whats a matta.
>Afraid Biggy is gonna get your slot on wreck's friday night fights?
Seems to me there's room for more than just myself but as for my
"slot," nothing to it. You thrash your dance and get ridiculed for
it but the "slot" ain't exclusive.
>
>> What's your excuse?
>
>I have retired to the philosophers rocking chair,,
>beer lights on anytime for
>retiree's
That's all fine and dandy but, you see - a philosopher would consider
the fact that philosophy is not the exclusive domain of just himself,
just as the beer light shines for anyone who sees it. In other words,
just because you do, does not mean others can not and just because
others can skydive and do, does not mean that they are disallowed in
professing their own (or just laying low your own) philosophy.
Tough tittie, Jinnie.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
> I was a sport jumper, free to RW~ or
zoo, just not at the same time because it
caused the RW gods to swoon ...
>And I ain't?
No your just another trollop for sale ;)P
Jerry K.
Current, though. Bet I made more sport jumps than you ever made, too.
As for trollops, interesting how it was you the other jumpers were
avoiding having you on their formations like some sort of venereal
disease.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>
Cain't download, ithas to open in mail for me to seeanything
TooyT
>No your just another trollop for sale
>As for trollops
Enjoy the full flavor of the insult, notice the use of sale rather than sell to
denote cheap? ;-*
TooyT
>yap yap yap yap yap
>yap yap yap yap yap
>bsrp....jlk
Oh yeah? is that what goes on out there now? Afraid it wouldn't work against
me,
The banty ass's weren't as good as they thought and often needed a fast base.
Guess who they needed as front front float? bwooooooohahahahahaha
Jerry K.
The impact is so cheapened and the dig so lessened when you feel you
have to explain it. I mean, dingleberry stands on its own.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>yap yap ya yap yap
>>yap yap yap yap yap
>>yap yap yap yap yap
>>bsrp....jlk
>
>Oh yeah? is that what goes on out there now?
Well, as far as the girly cutn'paste angle is concerned, yeah - that's
what goes on here but you shouldn't be surprised, since you're the one
who's so ill-equipped as to rely on it as some sort of dumbass excuse
for a real argument.
>Afraid it wouldn't work against
>me,
THe cutn'paste - oh, it'da make you thrash, sure - but anyone other
than you would be rightfully embarrassed to use it as a some sort of
dumbass excuse for a real argument.
>The banty ass's weren't as good as they thought and often needed a fast base.
Oh, really - and how good did they *think* they were? As for a fast
base, fast is good but it can be as slow as just slightly faster than
the limits of those docking on it.
>Guess who they needed as front front float? bwooooooohahahahahaha
Lemme guess - odd numbered formation so if someone's out (say, the
dingleberry on front front), the dive can still proceed? Sounds about
right.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>
>Oh, really - and how good did they *think* they were? As for a fast
>base, fast is good but it can be as slow as just slightly faster than
>the limits of those docking on it.
A formation slows as it builds, the reason the gods wanted a fast start was
fear of going low and when we were doing thosef un 20-ways most of the people
asking the base to set a fast rate were 4/8/16 &20 way comp types. They were
good when jumping with their own team's
but only fair in pickup formations, you know experianced RW types make it easy
on each other, they don't get in each others slots just because its the easiest
or open.
>Guess who they needed as front front float? the big asshole
>Lemme guess - odd numbered formation >so if someone's out (say, the
>dingleberry on front front), the dive can >still proceed?
See thats something else you don't understand....ya need to get as many people
as you can out on the float in pickup skydiving cause if you have 16 people
diving out, you have 16 chances for someone to hesitate a split sec. and thats
all it takes to be a couple hundred yards away, anybody behind the hesitation
is also way out...Put a big strong guy out on FFFloat & 5 midgets behind him
you got 6 out, , if you custom stack the door the dive outs ain't lined up half
way to the cockpit in the center isle...and ofcoursomeone always lave
therseatbeltot to catcha feettshffling ....see this is shit you don't have to
worry about cuz as the video geek yourgonna climb out first and get off the
rail to that little hangie place you lurkers go to toward the tai....yup get as
manyon float and in thedoor as you can then start a fast base rate off the
step....cuz fun 20's are going to have some less experianced people on them at
the average DZ plus if your doin fomation work you need tomake
itassssssssssssey on the people around you to get in as ya can. so they can get
in or else it wont buildl OOPS I forgot, you never get in so you could care
less about thother people on the load ;)P
Jerry K.
>>The banty ass's weren't as good as they thought and often needed a fast base.
>>
>
>>Oh, really - and how good did they *think* they were? As for a fast
>>base, fast is good but it can be as slow as just slightly faster than
>>the limits of those docking on it.
>
>A formation slows as it builds, the reason the gods wanted a fast start was
>fear of going low and when we were doing thosef un 20-ways most of the people
>asking the base to set a fast rate were 4/8/16 &20 way comp types. They were
>good when jumping with their own team's
>but only fair in pickup formations, you know experianced RW types make it easy
>on each other, they don't get in each others slots just because its the easiest
> or open.
I think you misinterpreted need with wanted or preferred.
>
>>Guess who they needed as front front float? the big asshole
No, the big dingleberry - asshole is reserved for skydivers, and you
were along because the more experienced skydivers were, you know,
giving back.
>
>>Lemme guess - odd numbered formation >so if someone's out (say, the
>>dingleberry on front front), the dive can >still proceed?
>
>See thats something else you don't understand....ya need to get as many people
>as you can out on the float in pickup skydiving cause if you have 16 people
>diving out, you have 16 chances for someone to hesitate a split sec.
And just as many people there are floating, just as many people might
hose on the count, come off funny, ect. What, you saying people
outside can't hesitate (or elave early), either? How many 20ays you
got, Jinnie?
>and thats
>all it takes to be a couple hundred yards away, anybody behind the hesitation
>is also way out...Put a big strong guy out on FFFloat & 5 midgets behind him
>you got 6 out,
You were only floating 6? That's pretty lean on the float
possibilities - Normal is 7 or 8, depending on how big and clumsy the
FF guy might be.
>, if you custom stack the door the dive outs ain't lined up half
>way to the cockpit in the center isle...
As opposed to any other aisle? Ya know, if there's a bench, it folds
up and if there isn't a bench - the whole cabin's an aisle - and
what's this "custom-stacking" nonsense? The dive gets engineered and
so follows the engineering for the door, but then I've done 20ways
were we purposefully single-filed ourselves from the door back forward
to the cockpit because we thought it might be fun. "Don't forget,
kinds, to *custom-stack* that the set0up in the door and remember,
it's gotta be custom or it won't work!" Gimme a greak, dingleberry -
how many 20ways you got, two?
>and ofcoursomeone always lave
>therseatbeltot to catcha feettshffling ....
Example of skydivers in the glorious 90's not looking out for each
other - seems to me *most* people take care to cram the belts up
against the wall and not leave 'em draped out, willy-nilly across that
"center" aisle. This shit is rich!
>see this is shit you don't have to
>worry about cuz as the video geek yourgonna climb out first and get off the
>rail to that little hangie place you lurkers go to toward the tai....
Yeah, but unlike you, I've done a shitload of 20way floating and
diving *as well* as exitting from the camera step. As a matter of
fact it's standard to share the step with one or two floaters to get
that 7, 8 or even 9 outside but what the fuck do you know?
>yup get as
>manyon float and in thedoor as you can then start a fast base rate off the
>step....
Wait a sec - I thought the point was to prove to the other jumpers who
thought they were so hot that they weren't so you'd be exitting it off
all floaty.
>cuz fun 20's are going to have some less experianced people on them at
>the average DZ
An average dz with an otter? I'd say the average dz is flying
cessna's or maybe a KingAir.
>plus if your doin fomation work you need tomake
>itassssssssssssey on the people around you to get in as ya can.
Unless you think that they think they're hot shit, of course, in which
case it's your duty to make it as tough as possible so they'll have
trouble and thus you can re-affirm that not just yourself is likely to
screw the pooch, eh?
>so they can get
>in or else it wont buildl OOPS I forgot, you never get in so you could care
>less about thother people on the load
No, I get in all the time but you wouldn't know that, taken as you are
with your imagination on how you would like things to be (and thus
feel re-affirmed), as opposed to how things really are in reality.
How many 20ways you got, Jinnie? Taking it out or otherwise not
making it in doesn't count.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>>Oh, really - and how good did they *think* they were? As for a fast
>>>base, fast is good but it can be as
>slow as just slightly faster than
>>>the limits of those docking on it.
>
You realy don't do much RW or thinking doya, you take a base of 5 or 6, their
going to slow down immediatly if they manage to hold it together, People are
diving out of the otter bang bang bang just like that, a diver looses more
altitude immediatly than the people that peeled off the step on float, I've
seen deguello types blow by a slow base, which id it comes off right is belly
down almost immediately.....you present to the wnd on float and just slide down
gently into belly down...Front float has to line up on the direction of the
departing plane, by looking at the tail and should adjust the bases fall rate
also fast as you can go till people start coming in, by then the whole thing is
slowing to a crawl....thats OK because the last diveouts have some leeway by
then, the first diveouts have no margine for error....if the base is slow they
may blow past it....you have to make it easy as you can for other people in the
formation, many times the funnel is not caused by who you think it was caused
by, its the people already in making it hard on th people trying to get in,
"Its kinda of a fuk yu buddy I'm in your on your own type attitude....what
people like this fail to realize is-----if somebodys out, or go's out and
colapses one side of the formation by pulling other people out, it ain't the 20
way jump that was planned on, it may be far leaa. might end up a 8 or 16 way
and thats a no way because you ain't gonna turn points if you dirt dived a 20
way and ended up with 15 or 16 cuz everybody in the formation is going to be
looking around to see if people can get back to the formation
nope nope nop...not counting some ring transitions might have been
planned...what you gonna do if the guy you was gonna leg grip is suddenly gone?
We had a 16 way perfect hookup right out of the plane...it was a 4 8 4...when
the key was given, one side of the outside ring missed it and when the inter
rings broke grips everybody back slid because the outter grippers even though
fewer in number didn't let go for the transition.
>I think you misinterpreted need with >wanted or preferred.
Yeah? don't matter , like I said they needed a fast base, I can See why you
lurk....your to defensive to learn anything other thn videoing, You don't have
to risk failure in a formation that way do you?...Got your little nich huh
trollop and your afraid to step out of it. & LEARN ANYTHING NEW... SHIT YOU
MIGHT HAVE TO THINK OR WORSE GET SWEATY HUH?
TooyT
>>going to slow down immediatly if they manage to hold it together, People are
>>diving out of the otter bang bang bang just like that, a diver looses
>
>
>Snuff, if there was an elementary school for skydivers, you're still in it.
>
>
Vainty oh Vanity chuck, did it ever occur to you skygods there may be many
novice & intermediate skydivers that don't know this shit? Look at Jerry, over
2000 jumps and he don't know diddle about it because he mainly lurks
formations! BTW r u answering to Trollop now?<serk> 0~;)P
bigjim
> Snuff, if there was an elementary school for skydivers, you're still in
it.
There is an elementry school, dz.com . Snuff's afraid to go over there.
Afraid of getting kicked out for being too juvenile.
TooyT
Its stuff I started learning at about 75 or 80 jumps, hell till then I wuz
still leaping off the step, no matter what size the formation, some gold wing
RW people took me under their wing and sed , your a big old man...were going to
teach you to front float the bigger ways so you can block the freaking air for
us ;) and those were the things they taught me...We started with the hooked
methode then went on to no grip base exits....if you pratice & can do it right
you present to the wind and fall right off the step and theres your grip soon
as your belly down....subterminal docks they call it.....you make smallnot big
I fuzzed their ass's on the first no grip, came off and made big....Ryzard the
guy right behind me on float went low on the float, a 20 way to ;> hahahahaha
Damn the cussing was worth it!
>There is an elementry school, dz.com . Snuff's afraid to go over there.
>Afraid of getting kicked out for being too >juvenile. <biggyjim
>
I cain't stand it over there, their like kindy garden children development
wise, no need for the moderator to run me off.....all that pretend sugar sweet
my cat loves me shit kills my old butt....I like to be mean to people who think
they are dz gods anyway and here yawl are....If they wanna learn from the bad
boys they are gonna have to lurk wreck and wade through all the bullshit trying
to find a gem
like everybody else including me. btw what are you doing over here talking to
the thugs biggy, moderator run your young ass off? <snicker> ;)P
bigjim
the thugs biggy,...>
I'm here 'cause you are. If you were over there, I would be there to until
we both got the boot. How's the water today, sweetie??
TooyT
>A guy that starts at age fifty and makes >100 jumps a year typically has a
>slower learning curve
middle 50's cuck and it was roughly 125 jumps a year the last few years, the
first couple of years were even slower 80 or 90....but your right at that age,
packing your own and making over 5 or 6 jumps a weekend can be tough in the
Texas heat.
Wasn't always my fault though, weren't as many DZ's around Houston as their is
now and the otter would back up manifest 3 & 4 loads on busy weekends...Only DZ
I knew of that had two turbines in Texas at the time was Skydive Dallas and
they were over 200 miles away... SDSM & Waller were flying T-boes at the
time...see so yawl don't know shit from shineola, Jerry didn't even start
jumping till my last year and a half in the sport....he always thinks its been
easy to get on turn around loads durning busy weekends, plus you had Jacks old
20 way deguello tieing the otter up with pre manifests durning trials and just
before the Nationals.
>typically has a slower learning curve than >a guy who >starts at 25 and makes
500 >jumps a year.
Yeah? and they usually start out slow also when their paying for their own
jumps....then they get a JM rate or pick up a camera like Jerry and they go
to about 500 to a thousand a year but look at Jerry all he does well is hoot
video, lurking ain't helping him learn to get into formations and fly a
slot....just follow them
YOU JARHEAD IDIOT! ;-p
TooyT
>I'm here 'cause you are. If you were over >there, I would be there to until
>we both got the boot. How's the water today, sweetie??
>
Better watch out, your gonna make my Trollop, Jerry jealous, you know how
girlyboys are don't you? 0~;-*
bigjim
> Better watch out, your gonna make my Trollop, Jerry jealous, you know how
> girlyboys are don't you?
No, I don't. But you certainly do (should). Why don't you tell us about
girly boys, Mr. Expert.
Jerry K.
>>The banty ass's weren't as good as they thought and often needed a fast base.
>
>>>Oh, really - and how good did they *think* they were? As for a fast
>>>>base, fast is good but it can be as
>
>>slow as just slightly faster than
>>>>the limits of those docking on it.
>>
>
>You realy don't do much RW
I would say that certainly, as compared to you, I do much rw. Let's
see - got more years in the sport than you (not saying that's much),
got around 10 times the number of jumps you ever made (still, not a
whole heckuva lot there, either), and I go to dz's - no big deal - all
you need is a spine and a personal aversion for lame excuses to
accomplish that...
>or thinking doya,
Well, let's see - when it comes to countering your ignorant,
self-affirming crap, no - not much thinking involved in that - I mean,
you're so repetitive and predictable, it's just a matter of plugging
in the same old reality and presto, watch the Jinnie flail!
>you take a base of 5 or 6, their
>going to slow down immediatly if they manage to hold it together, People are
>diving out of the otter bang bang bang just like that, a diver looses more
>altitude immediatly than the people that peeled off the step on float,
No, the diver is going to cut more into the relative wind - if they
want to keep their eyes on the base, that is.
>I've
>seen deguello types blow by a slow base,
I've seen "deguello types" (whatever the fuck that is?) have to arch
to keep with a fast base.
>which id it comes off right is belly
>down almost immediately.....
Nonsense, it really depends upon what the base is but all things
considered, right is with line of flight and into the relative wind.
Flat screws the floaters and makes it more difficult for the divers -
not to mention making for a less than stable and certainly rotating
base.
>you present to the wnd on float and just slide down
>gently into belly down...
That's not even the half of it. But then, skydiving's simple, eh?
Jump out, pull the string, float on down?
>Front float has to line up on the direction of the
>departing plane, by looking at the tail and should adjust the bases fall rate
>also fast as you can go till people start coming in,
Which isn't really plausible unless he's out-facing (and gripped)
because, if the launch comes off line of flight, front float will be
angled up (feet towards lone of flight) and looking down along the
lateral direction of where the airplane came from.
>by then the whole thing is
>slowing to a crawl....
Not necesarrily - it takes people in the base keeping it fast as well
as the people docking first to not relax as soon as they get there but
to keep it falling fast - sure, it's gonna slow some but I've seen
big-boys dock out on a wacker because everyone (including him) was
doing their job.
>thats OK because the last diveouts have some leeway by
>then, the first diveouts have no margine for error....if the base is slow they
>may blow past it....
Yeah, and ya know? They may not blow past it.
>you have to make it easy as you can for other people in the
>formation,
What if they're "deguello-types," or, you know, just happen to be
wearing booties and a full-face in the loading area?
>many times the funnel is not caused by who you think it was caused
>by,
And many times it's clear as day who caused the funnel.
>its the people already in making it hard on th people trying to get in,
I disagree - sure, it can get tricky to dock on something going slow
(or turning) and true, it's helpfull to keep that fall-rate up but
that said, the skydiver who uses the excuse that the formation was
going too slow and that is why he took it out, well - that dingleberry
is buying a bunch a beer for blaming others for his own lack of
discipline, I'm thinking.
>"Its kinda of a fuk yu buddy I'm in your on your own type attitude....
No, it's more of an, "I'm in so I can relax," kind of attitude.
Nothing about screwing anyone else, attitudewise.
>what
>people like this fail to realize is-----if somebodys out, or go's out and
>colapses one side of the formation by pulling other people out,
>it ain't the 20
>way jump that was planned on,
Oh really - you're saying that people don't realize that with X number
on the dive followed by Y number actually in on the dive, that "these
people" don't realize that X does not equal Y? What's better is how
evidently proud you are to express your understanding of the concept
that with people out, the formation has less people in it. Give
yourself a gold-star, Jinnie.
>t may be far leaa. might end up a 8 or 16 way
Or even twenty seperate 1-ways - sound familiar?
>and thats a no way because you ain't gonna turn points if you dirt dived a 20
>way and ended up with 15 or 16 cuz everybody in the formation is going to be
>looking around to see if people can get back to the formation
Its not uncommon for when someone's out for another to plug their slot
and move on and as for everyone looking around for whoever to arrive
back whenever, people are also watching for the key, eye contact, or
some sign from their quadrant and while the dive may not build as
originally built on the ground, that's skydiving, and if the key comes
to go to another point, so it goes and you make the best of it.
>nope nope nop...not counting some ring transitions might have been
>planned...
Right, they *might* have been planned but I'll tell ya what - I've
been on dives where it was planned for whatever dingleberry who
*might* not make it in and the dive was engineered with a -b- plan for
this contingency.
>what you gonna do if the guy you was gonna leg grip is suddenly gone?
Fly the slot as if he's there, of course. What are you, a dumbass?
>We had a 16 way perfect hookup right out of the plane...
Hmmm...floating six, four inside at the door, and the rest behind on
back - those people holding on for that perfect hook-up right out of
the plane musta got the shit beat out of them as they were swept out
and in many case, slammed against the aft frame of the door. I think
you're making shit up. Let's see the video - wasn't it you who said
that if it wasn't on video, it didn't happen? Yes, I think it was.
>it was a 4 8 4...when
>the key was given, one side of the outside ring missed it and when the inter
>rings broke grips everybody back slid because the outter grippers even though
>fewer in number didn't let go for the transition.
I'm not sure how 4 jumpers who missed a key and didn't release in
concert with everyone else would cause everyone else to backslide.
Typical Jinnie spin - "They still had their grips and made me
backslide!"
>
>>I think you misinterpreted need with >wanted or preferred.
>
>Yeah? don't matter , like I said they needed a fast base,
Hell, you needed an ultra-fast anvil base - what's it to ya?
>I can See why you
>lurk....your to defensive to learn anything other thn videoing,
Try not confuse my regularly exposing your ignorant, self-serving
prattling to the light of reality with being defensive.
> You don't have
>to risk failure in a formation that way do you?...
Every slot flies differently, Jinnie but as for failure in formation,
risks, etc - the skydiver who goes out there with some sort of
boneheaded (and self-serving) attitude that he is "risking failure,"
is kind of pre-determining such an outcome. As for me over a
formation, as opposed to being in the formation (which I have not
hundreds but thousands more dives of that type than you ever made,
ever - which still isn't saying much, I admit), the video tells the
tale and if the camera's flown like shit, there's no blaming it on
some slow-falling formation.
>Got your little nich huh
One of several. Let's not forget the rw nich, the crew nich, and even
a little vrw nich. Then there's the swoop nich and the frosty
beverage load nich - mustn't forget those. Hmmmm...the 2way with
ex-student nich...the lay on the back and look at the stars night jump
nich...oh yeah - I got my little nich, but it ain't as grand as the
never go to dropzones but wail all the same about the state of
dropzones (and skydiving) nich, ya think?
>trollop and your afraid to step out of it. & LEARN ANYTHING NEW
Ah, that's where you're wrong (among many other thats) - it was only
after I got half-way competent at rw that I took my chances and tried
something new...and learned how to do it half-way competently. As for
you, you may have dabbled in crew or sitflying but you ever dock last
on an 8wstack then break it into twos and rebuild or rotate? You ever
fly head-down for 10K? You ever learn to point a camera at a moving
object and make it appear that only the earth is moving, and only
slightly? Trying something new - hell, half your sitflying experience
was just squeezing into that spandex sitsuit.
>... SHIT YOU
>MIGHT HAVE TO THINK OR WORSE GET SWEATY HUH?
Thinking? You first and as for sweaty? You're too lazy to sweat on a
dz so I guess I'll just have to console you with this thought - don't
worry, and save your sweat - I'll be at the dz enough for the both of
us.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Naw, the more the merrier - there's no monopoly for correcting your
misconceptions.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>You realy don't do much RW or thinking doya, you take a base of 5 or 6, their
>>>going to slow down immediatly if they manage to hold it together, People are
>>>diving out of the otter bang bang bang just like that, a diver looses
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Snuff, if there was an elementary school for skydivers, you're still in it.
>>
>>
>Vainty oh Vanity chuck, did it ever occur to you skygods there may be many
>novice & intermediate skydivers that don't know this shit?
Did it ever occur to skygod you that there may be many novice and
intermediate skydivers who do?
>Look at Jerry, over
>2000 jumps and he don't know diddle about it because he mainly lurks
>formations! BTW r u answering to Trollop now?<serk>
Heh - it ain't me who thinks the base which comes off best, comes off
immediately belly to earth and it ain't me talking about having only 6
floating on a 20way exit. Hell, I'm still waiting for you to inform
the novices and intermediates on the superiority of vertical tracking
as opposed to the horizontal.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>> Snuff, if there was an elementary school >for skydivers, you're still in it.
>>chuck
>
>
>Its stuff I started learning at about 75 or 80 jumps,
Right around your first standup landing, eh?
>hell till then I wuz
>still leaping off the step, no matter what size the formation, some gold wing
>RW people took me under their wing and sed , your a big old man...were going to
>teach you to front float the bigger ways so you can block the freaking air for
>us ;) and those were the things they taught me...We started with the hooked
>methode then went on to no grip base exits....if you pratice & can do it right
>you present to the wind and fall right off the step and theres your grip soon
>as your belly down....subterminal docks they call it.....you make smallnot big
>I fuzzed their ass's on the first no grip, came off and made big....Ryzard the
>guy right behind me on float went low on the float, a 20 way to ;> hahahahaha
>Damn the cussing was worth it!
>
>>There is an elementry school, dz.com . Snuff's afraid to go over there.
>>Afraid of getting kicked out for being too >juvenile. <biggyjim
>>
>I cain't stand it over there, their like kindy garden children development
>wise, no need for the moderator to run me off.....all that pretend sugar sweet
>my cat loves me shit kills my old butt....I like to be mean to people who think
>they are dz gods anyway and here yawl are....
And what gives you the idea that anyone's a dz god - beyond their
propensity to rub your nose in inconvienent reality when you get it
wrong?
>If they wanna learn from the bad
>boys they are gonna have to lurk wreck and wade through all the bullshit trying
>to find a gem
Wasn't it you who said they should be learning on the dz? I think it
was.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>> BTW r u answering to Trollop >now chuck?<serk> 0~;)P
>
>>A guy that starts at age fifty and makes >100 jumps a year typically has a
>>slower learning curve
>
>middle 50's cuck and it was roughly 125 jumps a year the last few years, the
>first couple of years were even slower 80 or 90....but your right at that age,
>packing your own and making over 5 or 6 jumps a weekend can be tough in the
>Texas heat.
Oh, boo-hoo - it's not like you were sleeving rounds or anything.
Hell, you were flatpacking - about as easy as it gets.
>Wasn't always my fault though, weren't as many DZ's around Houston as their is
>now and the otter would back up manifest 3 & 4 loads on busy weekends...
Actually, there's the same amount of dz's if you include the non-uspa
cessna, weekend operations - actually, there were more then if you
include Galveston in the mix.
>Only DZ
>I knew of that had two turbines in Texas at the time was Skydive Dallas and
>they were over 200 miles away...
Don't forget Beaumont had turbines as early as 95
>SDSM & Waller were flying T-boes at the
>time...
Plus Waller's KingAir.
>see so yawl don't know shit from shineola,
With a nod to Carlin, wonder how the people from Shinola feel about
that but no, your memory of what you would like the past to be vs.
what really was are divergent to the extreme.
>Jerry didn't even start
>jumping till my last year and a half in the sport....
What? I started in mid 95 and you made your last in 99.
>he always thinks its been
>easy to get on turn around loads durning busy weekends,
You don't know shit (about shinola) or about what I think. Sometimes
it's a matter of manifesting, gearing up, and boarding and other times
there's a wait involved - welcome to skydiving.
>plus you had Jacks old
>20 way deguello tieing the otter up with pre manifests
>durning trials and just
>before the Nationals.
So, why didn't you pre-manifest...it's pretty evident why you weren't
training for Nationals or trying out for the team.
>
>>typically has a slower learning curve than >a guy who >starts at 25 and makes
>500 >jumps a year.
>
>Yeah? and they usually start out slow also when their paying for their own
>jumps....
First year of jumping? 150 or thereabouts. So, take your little
usually qualifier and start chewing.
>then they get a JM rate or pick up a camera like Jerry
Do they? I'd say there's lots of people with hundreds or even
thousands of jumps who aren't JM's or videogeeks and as for me picking
up camera, that didn't happen until I got halfway competent at flying
rw plus having a little freefall experience before I started jumping
with a whole new list of considerations.
>and they go
>to about 500 to a thousand a year
Maybe the hardcore Arizona, Perris, and north Florida teams but all
those left in between, hell - my team made approximately 100-150
training and competition jumps this year and as for JM's or even other
geeks, unless they're turning students for a living, 500-1000 is way,
way high of the actual mark - of course, you'd know this if you went
to dz's and had a clue.
>but look at Jerry
Yeah, look at me! Burns, don't it?
>all he does well is hoot
>video,
No, how do you know that's all I do? The answer is, you don't. Just
making guesses and creating answers which contribute towards your
overall goal of self-affirmation.
>lurking ain't helping him learn to get into formations and fly a
>slot....
No, you're wrong - flying over a formation significantly contributes
towards understanding formations and flying a slot because, you see,
flying a camera is flying a slot and they're ain't no one up there
holding the geek stable or anyone else to blame for backsliding when
someone else doesn't see the key. But, as for helping the geek lean
and to fly and video is concerned - I get more of that when I do fly
rw but I never said that I fly video because it helps me learn to get
into formations and fly a slot. And I suppose you bitching about
everything under the sun goes worlds towards heping you learn to get
into formations and to fly a slot, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: Trollop & FFFloat discuse 20 ways
>>From: to...@aol.com (TooyT)
>>Date: 10/24/04 3:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <20041024150934...@mb-m06.aol.com>
>
>>skydivers that don't know this shit? Look at Jerry, over
>>2000 jumps and he don't know diddle about it because he mainly lurks
>>formations! BTW r u answering to Trollop now?<serk> 0~;)P
>
>A guy that starts at age fifty and makes 100 jumps a year typically has a
>slower learning curve than a guy who starts at 25 and makes 500 jumps a year.
Kinda in between - I started in my early 30's and have averaged
between 3-400 jumps just over 9 years since then.
>Jerry's in the air, learning something every time he goes up.
Knock wood - it's all about keeping an open mind but in Jinnie's case,
the lack of mind precludes andy chance of it being open - especially
to something so simple (and obvious) as reality.
>It's safe to
>assume that when Jerry wants to do RW, he can hold his weight.
Heh - it's true I've never blamed the rest of the formation for making
me backslide.
>
>>BTW r u answering to Trollop now?<serk> 0~;)P
>
>I answer to anything and everything when I see a point to be made.
>
>> there may be many
>>novice & intermediate skydivers that don't know this shit?
>
>They're over at a DZ or DZ.com trying to learn. For most, learning is by trial
>and error, the more that you try, the more that you learn. Not much happening
>here except pugilistics.
I'd call it philosophical combat except combat requires an opponent
and Jinnie, well, he's certainly no opponent. Hell, he makes half my
arguments for me and all I've left to do is point out inconvienent
reality. The resultant shit-storm a'la Jinnie is really, just the
icing on the cake. Performance art at its most absurd, when you get
down to it.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
Ya know - we just heard that story about Jinnie curling up on his
intructor's bunk...
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>I'm here 'cause you are. If you were over there, I would be there
I went over and checked it out, haven't been over to look at dz dot com since
it started up. Boy they have expanded, have a lot of Forums, I skimmed it
nope nope nope to much grammer school social stuff like dating advice &
personal shit like he said this I said that should we have sex? and simple lic.
questions they could get off the USPA's homepage, there are so many forums I
didn't check them all
but people claim I don't stay on a skydiving subject, just gossip? Shit quite a
lot over there ain't aboutskydiving either, the home page is cool though, just
what a Novice needs....direction to S&T and other related subjects...DAMN
biggy, I hope you and Jerry ain't paying a fee to post over there, that would
make you more desperate than I already think you are! 0~;->
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jerry K.
Naw, I don't pay a fee - even sold gear over there, free and clear.
But, speaking of fees, how much you pay aol for the privledge and, for
that matter, how much have you forked out keeping usenet access given
that you tend to fry your terminal every few months?
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>I answer to anything
OK then you won't mind being called one of Snuffys bitchs then I assume &
there may be many novice & intermediate skydivers that don't know this shit?
>They're over at a DZ or DZ.com trying to learn.
Well a free tip here and there doesn't hurt on a foot up.....its better if you
do the float exit with them no doubt, then you can see if its translating or
not......homeys finished flying his body though. Thats the way I learned the
front float & 20 way shit, at a Otter DZ but it was free, yo didn't need to
hire coachs back then cuz if you were big enuff and if the goldwing RW people
were afraid you were going to kill them right out the door or docking, they
tried to improve your RW skills in self defene
For most, learning is by
>trial and error, the more that you try, the more that you learn. Not much
happening
>here except pugilistics.
Theres a old Texas saying Chuck;
"Fuck with the bull & get the horns 0~;-*
TooyT
> Better watch out, your gonna make my Trollop, Jerry jealous, you know how
>girlyboys are don't you?
>No, I don't. But you certainly do (should). Why don't you tell us about
>>girly boys, Mr. Expert.
>
>Ya know - we just heard that story about Jinnie curling up on his
>intructor's bunk...
>
>...bsrp
OK I'll keep it short, you see them at the store with their mothers kicking &
screaming cuz they want something.
Some never grow up....Was gonna mention hippys but they got more leg than you
and me put together city boy ;)P
TooyT
>Better watch out, your gonna make my >Trollop, Jerry jealous,
>Naw, the more the merrier
>...bsrp
Kinky ain't you sweety?
Jerry K.
>>BTW r u answering to Trollop now Chuck?<serk> 0~;)P
>
>>I answer to anything
>
>OK then you won't mind being called one of Snuffys bitchs then I assume &
>there may be many novice & intermediate skydivers that don't know this shit?
Hell, then you won't mind being called dingleberry I assume &
there may be many novice & intermediate skydivers that don't know that
you are indeed, a dingleberry.
>
>>They're over at a DZ or DZ.com trying to learn.
>
>Well a free tip here and there doesn't hurt on a foot up.....its better if you
>do the float exit with them no doubt, then you can see if its translating or
>not......homeys finished flying his body though. Thats the way I learned the
>front float & 20 way shit, at a Otter DZ but it was free, yo didn't need to
>hire coachs back then cuz if you were big enuff and if the goldwing RW people
>were afraid you were going to kill them right out the door or docking, they
>tried to improve your RW skills in self defene
Yeah, well - I guess it's the AFF program turning out skydivers who
the goldwing RW people don't feel afraid that they are going to kill
them right out the door or docking but, just the same, improving rw
skills still goes on and it's a matter of course - the coaching stuff
tends towards the one on one stuff, anyway.
>
> For most, learning is by
>>trial and error, the more that you try, the more that you learn. Not much
>happening
>>here except pugilistics.
>
>Theres a old Texas saying Chuck;
>"Fuck with the bull & get the horns
There's another old saying attributed to Senator John Blutarski, "You
don't fuck with the eagles unless you know how to fly."
Of course, I follow the line which, though far less witty is apt,
nonetheless - you're either part of the problem or part of the
solution and bitching about it on the usenet while refusing to address
the problem in any sort of substantive way (no matter the lameass
excuse) ain't a solution.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Dealing with your twisted take on things, kinky doesn't even begin to
describe it.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>> Jerry K.
>
>> Better watch out, your gonna make my Trollop, Jerry jealous, you know how
>>girlyboys are don't you?
>
>>No, I don't. But you certainly do (should). Why don't you tell us about
>>>girly boys, Mr. Expert.
>>
>>Ya know - we just heard that story about Jinnie curling up on his
>>intructor's bunk...
>>
>>...bsrp
>
>OK I'll keep it short, you see them at the store with their mothers kicking &
>screaming cuz they want something.
Or on the usenet with their aol accounts and multiple handles -
kicking a screaming for re-affirmation.
>Some never grow up....
While others are too full of themselves to evolve.
>Was gonna mention hippys but they got more leg than you
>and me put together city boy
All hippies or just a few specific hippies, here and there?
...bsrp
...jlk
Joe Walther
"chuck" <cgilb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041024211331...@mb-m27.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: Florida Trollop & FFFloat discuss relationships ;-]
>>From: Jerry K. sky...@pdq.net
>>Date: 10/24/04 8:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <phgon0t4oihlqoioa...@4ax.com>
>
>>Ya know - we just heard that story about Jinnie curling up on his
>>intructor's bunk...
>>
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>
Walther responds...
Well, isn't that the way it usually happens? It sort of justifies the end
result, if you get my drift. :-)
Walther
TooyT
>jumps.
>If you want to learn to skydive, and be good at it, you've got to get into
>the air. Working at a DZ is the quickest way.
in a narrow way yes, it takes them longer to become good all round sport
jumpers
working at a DZ is rather function specific, the AFF/JM's get a jump start
because they used to have to have at least 400 sport jumps to attend a AFF
Cerification course, many had more & still failed but the point is....They had
been out there scuffling in the pack for at least 400 jumps, what you learn the
hard way is well learned chuck.
.>Most of us couldn't afford to do it
>any other way
Tough shit, let them sport jump like the mass's......sell their car and
children for jump money hahahaha.
>Can't fault anyone for working to get into
>the mainstream of skydiving. Snuff,
Oh yes I can, anybody that lives by a higher code can....Although I saw many
good hosnest instructors & video geeks, they were usually JM/I types or lurk
geeks with 15 or 20 years in the sport, they couldn't help but give value for
money.....and many of them didn't have their hand out everytime a jumper turned
around The sport had enough big headed mainstream bottom feeders in it when I
left in 1996 Looking at these new ones like Jerry & his what the market will
bare attitude it seems the sport is consuming itself like a pig eating its own
guts. ;(
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: Trollop & FFFloat discuse 20 ways
>>From: to...@aol.com (TooyT)
>>Date: 10/24/04 6:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <20041024184306...@mb-m14.aol.com>
>
>>middle 50's cuck and it was roughly 125 jumps a year the last few years, the
>>first couple of years were even slower 80 or 90....
>
>OK, so you started out lugging an anchor around. Did it make you learn faster?
>Naw, youth and air time are the accelerators.
>
>>Yeah? and they usually start out slow also when their paying for their own
>>jumps....then they get a JM rate or pick up a camera like Jerry and they
>>go
>>to about 500 to a thousand a year
>
>If you want to learn to skydive, and be good at it, you've got to get into the
>air. Working at a DZ is the quickest way. Most of us couldn't afford to do it
>any other way. I was lucky when I started, I had the resources to make a lot of
>jumps. Can't fault anyone for learning at their own pace or working to get into
>the mainstream of skydiving. Snuff, you need to check out a larger skydiving
>operation, they are slave factories when it comes to staff, students, tandems,
>camera guys. They don't have much fun and work their asses off, but they get
>the experience. Up, down......all day long. If you don't learn something on
>every skydive, you're wasting your time.
>>Jerry all he does well is hoot
>>video, lurking ain't helping him learn to get into formations and fly a
>>slot....just follow them
>>YOU JARHEAD IDIOT! ;-p
>
>Jerry can fly any slot that he would like to.
Actually - no - I mean, I would love to have the skill and experience
to fly head down with a bunch of people but I don't have near the
dives and experience. I mean, I'm okay with one other person and all
right if I don't have to move around or transition a lot but no way I
could earn the A Dolphin right now or anything like that - just don't
have the dives.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>>
>>>...bsrp
>>
>Kinky ain't you sweety?
>
>Dealing with your twisted take on things
wuttsamatter my witt a little to avantguard and sharpish for you youngster?
TooyT
>>>intructor's bunk...
>>...bsrp
>Unfair Jerry, he said he was drinking:)
>
>
>Walther responds...
>
>Well, isn't that the way it usually happens? It sort of justifies the end
>result, if you get my drift. :-)
>
HO glad to see you made it home from the dz alive judge, I said a prayer for
you Friday! 0~;->
Jerry K.
>>and they usually start out slow also >when their paying for their own
>>jumps.
>
>>If you want to learn to skydive, and be good at it, you've got to get into
>>the air. Working at a DZ is the quickest way.
>
>in a narrow way yes, it takes them longer to become good all round sport
>jumpers
I would day that a person who makes more than 125 jumps per year takes
less time to become a "good, all around, sport jumper" than someone
who makes 125 jumps per year.
>working at a DZ is rather function specific, the AFF/JM's get a jump start
>because they used to have to have at least 400 sport jumps to attend a AFF
>Cerification course, many had more & still failed but the point is....They had
>been out there scuffling in the pack for at least 400 jumps, what you learn the
>hard way is well learned chuck.
>
>.>Most of us couldn't afford to do it
>>any other way
>
>Tough shit, let them sport jump like the mass's......sell their car and
>children for jump money hahahaha.
So tell me, how does where the money comes from in any way contribute
towards making someone a "good, all around, sport jumper?"
>
>>Can't fault anyone for working to get into
>>the mainstream of skydiving. Snuff,
>
>Oh yes I can, anybody that lives by a higher code can....
A "higher code" geared towards personal affirmation, maybe.
>Although I saw many
>good hosnest instructors & video geeks, they were usually JM/I types or lurk
>geeks with 15 or 20 years in the sport,
Nevermind that you didn't even come close to this magical "15-20
years" in the sport.
>they couldn't help but give value for
>money.....and many of them didn't have their hand out everytime a jumper turned
>around
Who says anyone of them do now? I mean, what do you base this
contention on?
>The sport had enough big headed mainstream bottom feeders in it when I
>left in 1996
But this was the "90's," back when everything was pre-uspa2000 and
totally grand - what, you backing off from that idea now?
>Looking at these new ones like Jerry & his what the market will
>bare attitude it seems the sport is consuming itself like a pig eating its own
>guts.
Hmmm - and you base this idea purely on the truth that I call you out
when you get it wrong. Seems to me that it is you consuming yourself
like a pig nourishing itself upon its own filth.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Naw, it's just plain ridiculous - hence, the ridicule. As for the
avantebarde and the sharp, oh yeah - those cutn'pastes, subject
changes, ignorings of the point, disregards for reality, and those
self-affirming delusions of grandeur - cutting edge representing the
pinnacle moronic prattle.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: Florida Trollop & FFFloat discuss relationships ;-]
>>From: "Joe Walther" jlwal...@comcast.net
>>Date: 10/24/04 9:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <L_CdnWa9GoP...@comcast.com>
>
>>Unfair Jerry, he said he was drinking:)
>
>>Walther responds...
>>
>>Well, isn't that the way it usually happens? It sort of justifies the end
>>result, if you get my drift. :-)
>>
>>Walther
>
>OK, He woke up and realized what had transpired, shit he was young and he
>wasn't going to let that incident ruin his life besides, it was just a one
>night stand...........or is there more to this story? Inquiring minds don't
>want to know!
I think what's crucial here is his bitterness because his loving
instructor never called him after. Oh, woe.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
Damn right 17 and already a seaman
We were called Kiddy Cruisers at that age but somehow I did 3 hitchs....see
what happened is the bastards kept tricking me
0~;-*
TooyT
>>>to about 500 and as high as a >>thousand a year. But what their doing is
rather function specific in a narrow way, now I can see where doing a lotta
AFF/JMing might improve RW skills
cause hooking up and flying your slot
was the bigest part of RW.....there were some other skills you had to develope
of course but if you could pass the certification you probably had what you
needed to do excellent RW because thats where the aspiring AFF/JM's learned
their skills getting in to formations without fucking up and falling out!
>Jerry can fly any slot that he would like >to.
Well I've never seen him fly but at 2000 jumps he may not be as good as you
think, he has shot mostly video in the lurk mode, its different being further
out and not worrying about taking a grip or which way the transition
goe's....like where are you supposed to be on the next point?, I'd be supprised
if he was any better than fair to middlling in close formation work.....theirs
less room for mistakes when your flying in body turbulance and having to spin
and grip or maybe even change positions in a ring block......yup yup yup he's
only fair maybe even medocre esle why hasn't he competed in the pit or received
a AFF/JM rate? CUZ HE'S SCARED IS WHY, he knows deep down I'm right, he's just
faking it, taking the easy out oooooorah ;-/
TooyT
>>to fly head down with a bunch of people but I don't have near the
>>dives and experience.
>
>Jimmy
>knows about head down is when he drinks too much and finds himself perched
>over
>the toilet.
>
>
Actually I had the same problems with head down that you do chuck
Age and a built in arch being followed by a old mans SAGGY ASS hahahahaha DAMN
0~;-*
TooyT
>Naw, it's just plain ridiculous -
scary more likely, your like a virgin caught on a dark street with a drunken
sailor trying to cop a feel....ya like it but hate it at the same time. cuz yer
basically fridged.
> oh yeah - those cutn'pastes, subject
>changes, ignorings of the point,
Of all the sheep I poke on a regular basis
your about the only one that complains
over and over about cut & paste when it ain't greased and put in just right
darling 0~;->
SkydiverRick
>> shit he was young
>
> Damn right 17 and already a seaman
> 0~;-*
Don't you mean, full of semen? How do you prefer it, orally or suppository?
SkydiverRick
>
> Snuff, if there was an elementary school for skydivers, you're still
> in it.
Kindergarten can be hell.
TooyT
>> girlyboys are don't you?
>No, I don't.>biggyjim
Yes you do Mr. South Beach , just put yer makeup on & go look in a mirror
0~;-*
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: Trollop & FFFloat discuse 20 ways
>>From: Jerry K. sky...@pdq.net
>>Date: 10/24/04 9:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <iglon0tivhi4qhepj...@4ax.com>
>>
>
>>Actually - no - I mean, I would love to have the skill and experience
>>to fly head down with a bunch of people but I don't have near the
>>dives and experience.
>
>The context of Snuffs supposition was relative work, the only thing that Jimmy
>knows about head down is when he drinks too much and finds himself perched over
>the toilet.
That and, uh...that night on his darling instructor's bunk.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>>
>> Snuff, if there was an elementary >>school for skydivers, you're still
>> in it.
~Yes like a buitiful rose~, I was cut before first bloom and pressed into cyber
space, to give beauty & my sweet frarance of wisdom to ugly assed ole wreck
skydiving....you may bend over and kiss my old ass if it please's you Mr.
USPA2000's ;)P
Jerry K.
>>Yeah? and they usually start out slow >also when their paying for their own
>>.then they pick up a camera like Jerry >or find some other hookup and theygo
>>>>to about 500 and as high as a >>thousand a year. But what their doing is
>rather function specific in a narrow way, now I can see where doing a lotta
>AFF/JMing might improve RW skills
>cause hooking up and flying your slot
>was the bigest part of RW.....there were some other skills you had to develope
>of course but if you could pass the certification you probably had what you
>needed to do excellent RW because thats where the aspiring AFF/JM's learned
>their skills getting in to formations without fucking up and falling out!
>
>>Jerry can fly any slot that he would like >to.
>
>Well I've never seen him fly but at 2000 jumps he may not be as good as you
>think,
If you were hell on wheels at 264 or 319 or wherever you supposedly
"turned the corner, " the 3000 I do have helps.
>he has shot mostly video in the lurk mode,
Mostly? You got figures here and as for "lurk" mode, no - you still
don't get it - there's a slot to be flown - the formation doesn't
magically hang in the center of the frame all by itself.
>its different being further
>out and not worrying about taking a grip or which way the transition
>goe's....
Yes, it is different - no one holding me stable or to blame for making
me backslide but as for transisitions and where it goes, that's the
difference between the formation moving across the frame and the
formation staying static in frame as it moves across the ground.
>like where are you supposed to be on the next point?,
Close, tight, centered, and in the lesser part of the burble with the
formation filling the frame from corner to corner.
>I'd be supprised
>if he was any better than fair to middlling in close formation work.....
I'd be surprised to see video of you actually having a grip.
>theirs
>less room for mistakes when your flying in body turbulance and having to spin
>and grip or maybe even change positions in a ring block......
Which is exactly where I'm at and what I'm doing if I'm shooting rw.
As for grips, no, don't usually take them when I'm hovering under
cameras - though I have before when someone's fallen out or taken too
long to get back but, that said, there's a lot more room for mistakes
when you have the stablizing influence of other skydivers muscling you
stable.
>yup yup yup he's
>only fair maybe even medocre esle why hasn't he competed in the pit or received
>a AFF/JM rate?
Who says I haven't but that said, how come you haven't competed in the
pits or recieived a AFF/JM rate?
>CUZ HE'S SCARED IS WHY, he knows deep down I'm right, he's just
>faking it, taking the easy out oooooorah
No, that ain't it by a long shot but on the subject of scared - it
ain't me who chooses to do his act here and ineffectively as opposed
to on a dropzone with the potential for more overall effect. Why?
Because he's embarrassed, that's why. His lame, self-serving take
never flew back then and his excuses never held under the light of
direct observation and now, simply a matter of refusing to face the
hard fact that skydiving has rolled on, grown, and has even improved,
despite his absence.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>>wuttsamatter my witt a little to avantguard and sharpish for you youngster?
>Or is my seamans rough manner to much for a sissy uban kid?
>
>>Naw, it's just plain ridiculous -
>
>scary more likely,
No, merely ridiculous. Scary would be if you were still skydiving.
>your like a virgin caught on a dark street with a drunken
>sailor trying to cop a feel....ya like it but hate it at the same time. cuz yer
>basically fridged.
No, I'm like exactly what I am - just a skydiver calling you out when
you get it wrong - nothing more.
>
>> oh yeah - those cutn'pastes, subject
>>changes, ignorings of the point,
>
>Of all the sheep I poke on a regular basis
>your about the only one that complains
>over and over about cut & paste when it ain't greased and put in just right
>darling
No, complaining would be saying something stupid like it was unfair or
uncalled for or something subjective like that. I say it's ridiculous
because it has not ever done anything towards making a point, beyond
the point that you are weak, undisciplined, ill-equipped, and couldn't
argue your way out of the proverbial wet, paper bag. Hardly the stuff
of what you term as "wit," "avantguard," and, as a matter of fact
distinctly convex in what you term as "sharp.".
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Well, why'd you let him get you tipsy on his bunk, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>is now and the otter would back up >manifest 3 & 4 loads on busy
>weekends...
>Actually, there's the same amount of >dz's if you include the non-uspa
>cessna, weekend operations - actually, >there were more then if you
>include Galveston in the mix.
Not not not
When Leauge city was still open, maybe but that new fangled SPX with the otter
down there by Hitchcock didn't start up till a year ot two after I retired.
Beaumont didn't get that king air till just before I retired. Waller had a T-bo
and 182 first time I started going out there around 93 or 94, then they went to
a Queen then a King...Carlton had moved from Leauge City to Lake Anuach with
his 206 & Otter.
After he folded Dick Richards out at Waller got a Otter...Carltons 206 was
bought by Al Saylor for his Padre Island operation....
don't know where the Otter went. The only truely outlaw cessna dz was the one
training students over by Sealy on a off and on basis.That part time operatodon
down on Galveston startdafter I retired...
Seeyou thikthinshavelways e the same becuseyou started about the time I retired
to kid....and we all know your type
"The world started with you rRIGHTJerry?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT (((WRONG)))
TooyT
>Right around your first standup landing, eh?
that would be about 80 no doubt HAHAHAHA no shit I was doing 20 ways before I
cud stand it up <snark>
0~ ;-*
TooyT
>>Well I've never seen him fly but at 2000 jumps he may not be as good as you
>think,
>If you were hell on wheels at 264 or 319 or wherever you supposedly
>"turned the corner,
actually around 175 jumps I was on that medal scrambles team at 219.
jumps> the 3000 I do have helps.
yeah at lurkin, I wuz scuffling around in formations right off student
status....It was the times to, their were a lot of good RW people around South
Texas back thenand yo had to get better because they kept the pressure
on...Didn't give a damn if you was a novice or not you didn't produce you
didn't get on the damn Otter ooooorah
TooyT
>>>any other way
>Tough shit, let them sport jump like the mass's......sell their car and
>>children for jump money hahahaha.
>So tell me, how does where the money >comes from in any way contribute
>towards making someone a "good, all >around, sport jumper?"
cuz their ou there paying their own way out there in the mele mixing it upon a
a broader range, being exposed to more people than just wuffo's showing up for
there first jump, if they fuk up they get benched or shunned...plus their only
learning 60 sec at a time, freak flying or RW no difference, they have to work
on varied exits and hone those air skills enuff to get a grip and not fall
out....People shit on them constantly.....the pressure can be
hard but they endure and go on....this refines them into a better skydiver with
a wider range of hard earned skills if they survive long enough to turn the
corner, somebody like you that goes directly for the ass suck and part of the
cut ain't the kindwho would suffer for their artlike the typical paying grass
roots skydiver does.
If some dz wasn't supplemnting your sorry ass you would probably quit...
BOTTOM LINE?
.My heart is with the kids that pay their own way & persist you fucking bottom
feeder ;-P
Joe Walther
"TooyT" <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041024214039...@mb-m07.aol.com...
Walther responds...
I didn't go to a DZ. Why would you say a prayer for me?
Walther
TooyT
>Jimmy.
>
Oh I saw it coming back in 95, Skydive U people begin showing up at the upscale
Texas twin dz's....Fine I think, the yupps in a hurry can pay for shit thats
free, unfortunately the skydive U coachs started walking around pressure
selling, going to certain dz's and enjoying yourself was kinda like trying to
enjoy yourself a a car salesman convention....everybody was trying to sell
something----health shit out ofcar trunks. coaching....we would be trying to
put fun shit together for novices & intermediates and heres some leech stuck to
tem....so I SAY, HEY BUD, YOU ON THIS FORMATION?
NO
wellget your ass gone then, telemarket you shit on Monday after the up jumpers
are gone....these kids are doing alright, it just takes airtime
who the hell are you?
I'm the guy thats going to whip your young ass is who I am, now unless you want
in beat it were trying to put a zoo jump together GEEZUS what the fuk is wrong
with people, they cain't make enough money monday thru friday? They gotta
bother people like hookers in a park?
Then after I retired the BOD voted in that coaching thing and blocked the D's
from jumping with unlicenced jumpers....The M'fers should be in jail with that
other greedy bitch~ Martha Stewart....Yeah all of that and that fucking GM
program they ramrodded thru~The GM/DZO's own the USPA, not the grass root
skydiving members, so here we have ended up with what I call USPA2000, a shadow
of the old USPA, You call it progress? Well if HIV can be considered progress
the sports damn sure got it ;)P
TooyT
>So tell me, how does where the money comes from in any way contribute
YES IT CONTRIBUTES TO INFLATION YOU YOUNG IDIOT
Jerry K.
>>Wasn't always my fault though, weren't >as many DZ's around Houston as their
>>is now and the otter would back up >manifest 3 & 4 loads on busy
>>weekends...
>
>>Actually, there's the same amount of >dz's if you include the non-uspa
>>cessna, weekend operations - actually, >there were more then if you
>>include Galveston in the mix.
>
>Not not not
Yepyepyep - there's was one out I10 near Sealy, Galveston, Corpus, San
Marcus, Whitewright, Decatur, Waller, Beaumont, Moss Point, Gladwater,
SPX, and Anhuac. Lots of places to jump.
>
>When Leauge city was still open, maybe but that new fangled SPX with the otter
>down there by Hitchcock didn't start up till a year ot two after I retired.
Yeah, well - may as well discount all the others, too, eh?
>Beaumont didn't get that king air till just before I retired.
Caught in a lie (again). If you "retired" in 96 then SPX Rosharon
didn't start up until, what, 2000, 2001? And at that time you had all
those dz's listed above except for the SPX at Dickenson. And if you
"retired" in 99, Beaumont got their KingAir in 95 - followed by an
Otter in early 96, then back to a KingAir from late 96 until they
closed in mid 97.
>Waller had a T-bo
>and 182 first time I started going out there around 93 or 94, then they went to
>a Queen then a King...Carlton had moved from Leauge City to Lake Anuach with
>his 206 & Otter.
Yep - and there still were as many, if not more, when you get down to
it, places to jump back then so you're contention that, "Wasn't always
my fault though, weren't as many DZ's around Houston...," has just
been rendered, as it has so often been rendered before, bullshit.
>After he folded Dick Richards out at Waller got a Otter...
Yeah, but in the meantime Waller did have that KingAir, you know- that
twinT you were saying was only at SPX and Dallas? Nevermind the twin
turbines at Beaumont from mid 95, on.
>Carltons 206 was
>bought by Al Saylor for his Padre Island operation....
Yep, and that 206 is still flying fine. Jumped out of it into
downtown for this past 4th of July and earlier into an airshow in
Laredo but Al's operation is in Galveston and it's once a month
whereas the operation at Padre is, maybe, once a year - though he
hasn't done it down there in a while.
>don't know where the Otter went. The only truely outlaw cessna dz was the one
>training students over by Sealy on a off and on basis.
Yeah, the one out I10 but we're talking about your words, "Wasn't
always my fault though, weren't as many DZ's around Houston...," when,
clearly there were, if not more than now.
>That part time operatodon
>down on Galveston startdafter I retired...
Yep, Al's gig - it's about 15 minutes from Al's place to Shoals by the
206.
>Seeyou thikthinshavelways e
Whoa! You must be so knotted up that your normally, crafted spelling
is stuttering by the wayside - wanna try it again?
>the same becuseyou started about the time I retired
>to kid....and we all know your type
You mean in 96 or 99? As for that, My starting had nothing to do with
your leaving and viseversa. I started close on a year before the 96
"retirement" date and as for my type and the "we" who know it - what
type, eh, and who's this "we?" My "type" is simply someone who takes
your words and throws them right back atcha with a little inconvienent
reality thrown in for reference. Don't blame me for being so wrong
all the time - that's your own doing.
>"The world started with you rRIGHTJerry?
Heheheheh - man, you are knotted up! Not me who's chosen this "ills
of skydiving" pulpit, liberally interspersed with false bravado and
lies, all boiling down to a really surreal charade with the one
over-riding prupose of making yourself feel better about yourself.
I'm just a guy reflecting yourself, back to yourself, but it's
illuminated with merely inconvienent reality. No, the world didn't
start with me and skydiving did not ever start, nor will it ever end
with or because of you - as much as you'd like to imagine it,
otherwise.
>
>BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT (((WRONG)))
Yep, you are wrong to suggest that the world started with me when this
is clearly not the case.
...bsrp
...jlk
Joe Walther
> >Tough shit, let them sport jump like the >mass's..
>
>>So tell me, how does where the money comes from in any way contribute
>
> YES IT CONTRIBUTES TO INFLATION YOU YOUNG IDIOT
Walther responds...
This depends on whether the demand is cost/push or demand/pull. The former
is considered inflationary but the latter is not. Do you know the
difference?
Walther
TooyT
>> for
>> you Friday! 0~;->
>
>Walther responds...
>
>I didn't go to a DZ. Why would you say a prayer for me?
>
>Walther
>
>
figgered a little prayer you were under a big slow canopy wouldn't hurt none,
cuz you don't fly fast worth a damn 0~;)