9-11, Get those Arab bastards!!!
LORD OF THE SKY
We should War against those towel heads!, Sheeet pthuh!
Thing is..
there is no credible evidence that any Arab was involved in the attacks of
9-11.
As a matter of fact there is plenty of evidence that some party is
attempting to frame Arabs for the 9-11 massacre.
Do you want to just get Arabs, or do you want to seek revenge against the
true perpetrators of 9-11?
Do you want to look at the evidence which my research has unveiled?
Or do you just want to blame Arabs without evidence?
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
SkydiverRick
> Do you want to look at the evidence which my research has
> unveiled?
>
> "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
Got yourself a copy of "Farenheit 911"?
LORD OF THE SKY
"SkydiverRick" <Skydiv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I haven't seen Moores propaganda piece.
The thing to remember is that Moore is controlled by those filthy Jews
and is not to be trusted to tell the" whole" Truth.
Me , I was raised a Roman Catholic (no I wasn't sodomized by a priest)
.. (or any lay people or fellow altar boys) ..(or anyone else)...(OK.. I
admit my asshole is as large as a fruit bushel!!! But that's just from
consensual homo sex unrelated to my religious upbringing!) .
I do have a plethora of evidence which will prove a deliberate attempt to
*frame* Arabs as the 9-11 perpetrators .
If you had merely listened to the FBI after 9-11 you may have caught on
also.
So do you want to see the Light or do you want to Blindly believe it
was Arabs?
SkydiverRick
Blindly believe it was Arabs.
LORD OF THE SKY
No problem, Ricky.
Milk and cookie time is here and naptime will be right afterward.
Stephen Burkart
:
: As a matter of fact there is plenty of evidence that some party is
: attempting to frame Arabs for the 9-11 massacre.
Eh? If it wasn't Osama's Deadmens' Flying Circus cronies that took out
the WTC (with Saddam's Boys somehow bringing up the rear) that would make
our somewhat huffy responses ammount to nothing less than unprecedented
acts of stupidity.
Seriously, I don't watch TV news, but the papers aint much better now that
we're all mostly either partriots or silent.
So, whaddaya got Tree?
Stephen
David Ferree
Just off hand, I'd say schizophrenia.
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>>we're all mostly either partriots or silent.
>>
>>So, whaddaya got Tree?
>
>Just off hand, I'd say schizophrenia.
lot of that going around lately.
Jim D-10154
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: 9-11, Get those Arab bastards!!!
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>>we're all mostly either partriots or silent.
>>>
>>>So, whaddaya got Tree?
>>
>>Just off hand, I'd say schizophrenia.
>
>lot of that going around lately.
Yeah, but it's ok if the crazies play nice with you.
SkydiverRick
Ignore those voices. You're the only one that can hear them.
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>Yeah, but it's ok if the crazies play nice with you.
hey David........fuck off.
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: 9-11, Get those Arab bastards!!!
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>Yeah, but it's ok if the crazies play nice with you.
>
>hey David........fuck off.
Hmm, interesting that you took that as an insult.
Rather telling, huh?
David Ferree
You hear voices when you're reading news groups? Weird, Ricky.
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>>hey David........fuck off.
>
>Hmm, interesting that you took that as an insult.
>
>Rather telling, huh?
>
hardly an insult.....youre opining is getting old. Do you ever jump anymore ?
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: 9-11, Get those Arab bastards!!!
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>>hey David........fuck off.
>>
>>Hmm, interesting that you took that as an insult.
>>
>>Rather telling, huh?
>>
>
>hardly an insult.....youre opining is getting old. Do you ever jump anymore ?
That should keep you in good standing with the crazies. :-)
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>That should keep you in good standing with the crazies. :-)
Uh..David....they are us.
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: 9-11, Get those Arab bastards!!!
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>That should keep you in good standing with the crazies. :-)
>
>Uh..David....they are us.
That should fly pretty good too.
me
> LORD OF THE SKY (djar...@alltel.net) wrote:
> :
> : As a matter of fact there is plenty of evidence that some party is
> : attempting to frame Arabs for the 9-11 massacre.
>
> Eh? If it wasn't Osama's Deadmens' Flying Circus cronies that took out
> the WTC (with Saddam's Boys somehow bringing up the rear) that would make
> our somewhat huffy responses ammount to nothing less than unprecedented
> acts of stupidity.
Ya mean like a coal chute fire in a ship in Havana harbor causing a
war with Spain? Nah, never happen would it.
We've "mistaked" our way into more than one war. Probably more than
we wandered into knowing what was going on.
Reminds me of listening to a rather detailed explanation of how
to belly fly by a rather accomplished skydiver. He had all the
right movements, for all the wrong reasons. He had aerodynamic
explanations for why certian body motions worked that were pure
unadulterated bull. But the body motions were right anyway.
His explanations assuredly followed his understanding of how
to make the moves, not lead. They were merely handy, yet wrong,
stories to help him remember, and potentially teach, the right
moves for the right motions. I had a ski instructor like that
once. Another engineer friend of mine and I took a "group"
lesson (semi private really since there were only the 2 of us).
He talked a lot about "centriFUGAL" forces and the like and
had most of it dead wrong. Of course, he techniques were correct,
but the reasons behind them were bunk.
He saw the looks on our faces as we tried to listen and he finally
admitted that he didn't really know what the words meant. They
were taught to him as part of some course to become a certified
instructor. Our 1 hour lesson lasted about 2.5 hours because
we tried to help him with his forces as he helped us with our
skiing.
Kevin O'Connell
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>>>That should keep you in good standing with the crazies. :-)
>>
>>Uh..David....they are us.
>
>That should fly pretty good too.
did you ever notice...the craziest motherfuckers never think they are ?
LORD OF THE SKY
"Stephen Burkart" <sbur...@netaxs.com> wrote in message
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I'm glad to see that you are interested, Stephen, and that I can count
you as a fellow Patriot.
It is every citizens' duty to educate themselves in foreign policy
matters concerning these United States of America. Maybe even more
important, it is morally imperative that each citizen consider the reason
for war before we dare to send our soldiers into harms way.
Currently the administration is embarked on a "War against Terrorism" in
Afghanistan and Iraq .
The decision to wage "War" against these two countries and replace
their constitutionally elected leaders was made just six months and 3
years (respectively) *BEFORE* the attacks on the World Trade Center towers
and the Pentagon.
Yes, you read that right!
The decision to invade Afghanistan was made months *before* 9-11 and
the decision to take-over Iraq was made in 1998.
The problem those who had made the decision to oust the legal
governments of these two sovereign nations faced was ; How do we get the
populace support for these wars.
Well it wasn't difficult.
<9-11>
And blame it on "Arabs".
I know what you are thinking.. ; "Tree ,you are an idiot!!!".<(help
yourself ,David)>
"Are you saying that our government was complicit in 9-11?"
What I am saying is that some entity went out of their way to make you
believe that Arabs are responsible for the massacre of so many of my
countrymen on 9-11.
There is a vast amount of evidence which will prove to any reasonable
person that the Arab culpability in the 9-11 massacre was a *frame-up * and
a lie.
Want to read more?
Stephen Burkart
: person that the Arab culpability in the 9-11 massacre was a *frame-up * and
: a lie.
I dunno Tree, I'd bet the hijackers (once they got done de-flowering their
ration of virgins Allah be praised) don't feel like they were framed. But,
I sense you're going somewhere else with this.
: Want to read more?
Of course. More most excellent entertainment, please, before the History
Channel decides which suit gets to produce their version of events.
Stephen
LORD OF THE SKY
>
> Want to read more?
>
> Of course. More most excellent entertainment, please, before the History
> Channel decides which suit gets to produce their version of events.
>
> Stephen
Never let it be said that "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY ever passed
on an opportunity to tutor the masses.
I'm going to write a series of essays providing evidence of a massive
*frame-up*.
It is True that some entity has gone to great lengths to lead the American
population to believe that it was Arabs who were responsible for the 9-11
attacks.
I'm going to talk about the anthrax scare ,the victims, and the timing.
I'm going to talk about Unocal and their interests in Afghanistan and
how all of that left Enron swimming in speculations which caused them to go
belly-up.
I'm going to talk about the alleged 9-11 hijackers and prove to you that
the FBI has no evidence that any of them were actually Arab.
There are many facets of my 9-11 investigation .
The research was pretty easy to conduct.
The hard part is putting all the pieces together in an easily readable and
concise text which both the Einsteins and the Ferrees can understand.
With that said let me get started.
Today I'd like to discuss with you Mohammed Atta and the framing of
Arabs.
Mr. Atta is accused of being one of the hijackers on 9-11. More
specifically, Mr. Atta has been accused of being one of the terrorist pilots
who crashed a commercial airliner into The World Trade Center.
Before I go too far into a discussion of Mr. Atta, I'd like to talk
to you about "paper".
Yes ,"Paper".
Does anyone out there know the flashpoint of paper?
I mean , at risk of being acused of rocket scientistry , I'd
speculate (considering my own observations) that paper lights up pretty
easily.
How hot would a flame need to be inorder to ignite paper? Anyone?
And if any of you are resourceful enough to find the flashpoint
of paper, an extra credit question is *at what temperature does cold steel
begin to melt.
Because ya see, it is documented and a matter of public record that the
FBI found Mohammed Atta's passport just a couple of blocks away from the
Twin towers shortly after their collapse.
Yes, an obvious ,almost too obvious frame -up.
Are we expected to believe that Mr. Attas' passport survived the impact
,the fiery crash, the collapse of the building, and was found just a few
days later under inches of dust?
Or should we believe that Mr. Attas' passport was planted to point the
finger of suspicion toward theArabs?
Think about that and then let me know if you want to read more.
ynotssor
news:gniQc.438$Nd7...@fe39.usenetserver.com
> Never let it be said that "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY ever
> passed on an opportunity to tutor the masses.
[...]
> Think about that and then let me know if you want to read more.
I know whatcha mean; educating the Masses is a most difficult endeavour.
A boy named Theodore was usually my partner in serving Mass, and we were
assigned to the 7:30 service on Sundays. One day the thought came to me that
the ceremony needed brightening up, that altar boys had been serving Mass in
the same old way for hundreds of years and that the ritual was getting
stuffy with age.
I sounded out Theodore and was able to convince him that I had a
praiseworthy scheme. For two or three days we worked together in secret,
perfecting a fresh technique. Then one Sunday morning we popped it on the
parish.
The new system was not given an amiable reception. It was, in fact, roundly
condemned. Theodore and I had not tipped anyone off. Even Father Leahy
didn't know what was coming.
From the very beginning of the service Theodore and I ran counter to
tradition. We executed double genuflections when we came together in front
of the altar -- quick, precise bobbings instead of the old, more dignified
single genuflections. When we stood together at the side of the altar with
the cruets containing water and wine we were not content to pass them to
Father Leahy's hands as he indicated his wants. We had little crisscrossings
of arms and we managed to clink the cruets together musically. The whole
business was fancied up, and the congregation sat wall-eyed as Theodore and
I caracoled and swooped and did little dance steps about the altar.
It was the last Mass I ever served or tutored.
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[snip]
> Does anyone out there know the flashpoint of paper?
What kind of paper? It matters ya know. You mean the plasticized
paper used in alot of passports? Well, after you melt your way through
the plastic.....
> I mean , at risk of being acused of rocket scientistry , I'd
> speculate (considering my own observations) that paper lights up pretty
> easily.
Anything lights up pretty easily, once you get it to it's flash
point.
>
> How hot would a flame need to be inorder to ignite paper? Anyone?
In reality it's more about the total heat available to ignite it.
It's a combination of temperature and duration. If I pass a welding
torch under your hand fast enough, it won't burn you. Ya gotta do
it fast. You've probably done this with hot water.
>
> And if any of you are resourceful enough to find the flashpoint
> of paper, an extra credit question is *at what temperature does cold steel
> begin to melt.
Melt or soften? Melt is a phase change. Soften is merely a reduction
in a strength. Steel starts to weaken almost 2000 degrees before it
starts to melt. (it depends greatly upon what kind of steel you are
discussing. The strength of steel varies widely, almost an order of
magnitude, between the weakest and strongest). Precious little of the
steel in the twin towers "melted". Most of it just weakened (softened)
enough to not be able to sustain the load to which it was exposed (basically
the mass of the rest of the building above it).
>
> Because ya see, it is documented and a matter of public record that the
> FBI found Mohammed Atta's passport just a couple of blocks away from the
> Twin towers shortly after their collapse.
> Yes, an obvious ,almost too obvious frame -up.
Only to the addled. It's not that it couldn't be a "frame up"
but there is nothing "obvious" about it. And there is more than just
his passport as evidence. (As an aside, one of the larger "pollutants"
that was in the area was toner from the cartridges of all the copiers
and printers in those buildings. There were ALOT of them. They didn't
all burn)
>
> Are we expected to believe that Mr. Attas' passport survived the impact
> ,the fiery crash, the collapse of the building, and was found just a few
> days later under inches of dust?
Do you understand the concept of momentum at all?
[snip]
Kevin O'Connell
Darren G
Tree
Alternative theory. Maybe Mr Atta had a couple of spliffs on him and,
thinking he would soon be in the hands of The Fuzz, and not wanting
them to contact his mother (come on, we've ALL been there!), he
chucked his passport out the window just before impact.
;-)
Blues
Darren G
Dave Littlewood
> Are we expected to believe that Mr. Attas' passport survived the impact
> ,the fiery crash, the collapse of the building, and was found just a few
> days later under inches of dust?
Maybe he chucked it out of the window just before the aircraft hit.
Yep, that's a plausible explanation.
David Ferree
Of course; goes with the territory. And the more ass wipe backers
they have the more they think they're on top of things.
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>Of course; goes with the territory. And the more ass wipe backers
>they have the more they think they're on top of things.
Man...i'm sure glad youre out there at the tip of the spear protecting us ,
David.
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: 9-11, Get those Arab bastards!!!
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>Of course; goes with the territory. And the more ass wipe backers
>>they have the more they think they're on top of things.
>
>Man...i'm sure glad youre out there at the tip of the spear protecting us ,
>David.
Blah, blah, blah. Rabid verbal attacks of those who would like to see
this country go straight down the tubes is better than supporting
them, Jimbo.
And FYI, I also do something much more tangible. Care to help? I'll
send you the information.
David
JimBo
>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>And FYI, I also do something much more tangible. Care to help? I'll
>send you the information.
>
>David
>
I dont have to enlist again , do I ?
David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: 9-11, Get those Arab bastards!!!
>>From: David Ferree david...@aol.com
>
>>And FYI, I also do something much more tangible. Care to help? I'll
>>send you the information.
>>
>>David
>>
>
>I dont have to enlist again , do I ?
Nope.
JimBo
>From: David Ferree
>>I dont have to enlist again , do I ?
>
>Nope.
>
cool
Icarus
> Yup!
> We should War against those towel heads!, Sheeet pthuh!
>
> Thing is..
> there is no credible evidence that any Arab was involved in the attacks of
> 9-11.
>
> As a matter of fact there is plenty of evidence that some party is
> attempting to frame Arabs for the 9-11 massacre.
>
> true perpetrators of 9-11?
>
> Do you want to look at the evidence which my research has unveiled?
>
> Or do you just want to blame Arabs without evidence?
We need to take care out the homegrown dickweeds first.
(((((((((MARCH ON GEORGIA))))))))
yeeha
>
>
> "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
heh heh have a good day sweety
Icarus
The Navy no longer takes lard ass's you dumb boot, least not as a
seaman...
Now Master Chief and Commanders? Their allowed to have more chain
locker
forward. In my daywe had some seriously stocky guys all the way down
to E-5.
I stayed pretty skinny...went into boot camp at 140 lbs.. a few years
later wuz down to 138, when I got out weighed 154...didn't catch the
bigass till my late 40's due to cortizone injected via IV. Bulked up
and never got below 225.
Started skydiving in my 50's carried a exit weight of 268 towards the
end.
The USN has gone mainstream I'm afraid...yuppie attitudes have taken
over
everybody has to be a scrannyass like the cityboy skydivers ;-*
LORD OF THE SKY
"Icarus" <kam...@eastex.net> wrote in message
news:433ec1aa.04080...@posting.google.com...
> We need to take care out the homegrown dickweeds first.
> (((((((((MARCH ON GEORGIA))))))))
> yeeha
> >
Sherman tried that once. Now he's pushin' up daisies so "Bring it on!!!.
LORD OF THE SKY
"me" <ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message
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> "LORD OF THE SKY" <djar...@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:<gniQc.438$Nd7...@fe39.usenetserver.com>...
> [snip]
> > Does anyone out there know the flashpoint of paper?
>
> What kind of paper? It matters ya know. You mean the plasticized
> paper used in alot of passports? Well, after you melt your way through
> the plastic.....
"Most Excellent"!!!!
An engineer has entered the discussion(and I'm not talkin'Choo-Choo
Charlie!).
As I'm not very formally educated I always enjoy the insight and
scientific knowledge that those with *degrees* have to offer.
How many degrees has Mr. O'Connell attained?
I bet he has at least three.
Greetings, Mr O'Connell, it is always a pleasure to engage in conversation
with you.
You are one of the few persons on rec.skydiving whose demeanor
consistently stays *on the level*. Sometime , when I'm in your area, I'd
like to visit you and your grandma.
Now Kevin.., you have raised some interesting points which I would like to
address.
I hope you will forgive me if you see this as a breech of newsgroup
etiquette, but for the benefit of the readers, and in an honest attempt to
portray the Truth ,I would like to address your points in a different order
than which you delivered them.
> Do you understand the concept of momentum at all?
To tell the truth ,Kevin, I'm not very schooled . Certainly I have no
formal education in the laws of physics ,however, I have been a keen
observer for nearly half a century of the forces which affect the matter
which surrounds me.
I did believe, considering my observations, that I had at least a
laymans' grasp of the "concept of momentum" .
The question that is bothering me today(and it is really causing me to
question my grasp of the concept) is ; how did a passport weighing less than
a pound travel further after the impact than either of the black boxes which
weigh much more?
Perhaps you could pull out your *pocket slide rule* and explain to me
how a item of less weight traveled farther after the impact than one of
greater weight.
I'd appreciate that.
And just as an aside, Kevin, and for my own education, could you explain
how a passport made of paper survived the crash and was found under inches
of debris while the black box ,which was engineered to withstand the force
of an airplane crash and equipped with a homing beacon, was never found?
Because when we think about the most probable answers to these questions,
we have to believe the passport was *planted*.
On to the next point;
> one of the larger "pollutants" that was in the area was toner from the
cartridges of all the >copiers and printers in those buildings. There were
ALOT of them. They didn't
> all burn
Mr. OConnell, something you may not have considered is the fact that the
majority of this
"toner from cartridges" were on floors of the WTC which were not involved
in the impact or the initial fire.
>The strength of steel varies widely, almost an order of
> magnitude, between the weakest and strongest). Precious little of the
> steel in the twin towers "melted". Most of it just weakened (softened)
> enough to not be able to sustain the load to which it was exposed
(basically
> the mass of the rest of the building above it).
Mr. O'Connell, is your statement above based on scientific testing of the
materials which failed? Because I have been led to believe that all the
steel from WTC was loaded up and hauled out of the country before any
scientific testing could be conducted.
If the case is that your statement is based on some report ,(perhaps from
a periodical such as "Pocket Protector Weakly" ) could you explain how the
investigators found amongst the tangled mess which was the infrastructure
of buildings WTC1 and 2, the steel sections from the floors which were
directly impacted by the aircraft?
Do you understand the concept of investigation at all? :>)
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
>
>
SkydiverRick
> The question that is bothering me today(and it is really causing
> me to question my grasp of the concept) is ; how did a passport
> weighing less than a pound travel further after the impact than
> either of the black boxes which weigh much more?
Drop a brick and a feather from altitude. If there is any wind at all the
feather will land farther away.
LORD OF THE SKY
"SkydiverRick" <Skydiv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Do you understand the concept of momentum at all?
What am I dealing with here?
Really Rick, Do you just want to believe what the Government tells you?
We are talking about aircraft travelling at over 400 miles per hour , Rick.
What say you?
> Drop a brick and a feather from altitude. If there is any wind at all the
> feather will land farther away.
I mean, I know it's easier for you that way . But suckin' Uncle Sams'
cock.., your still suckin' cock.
Get real dude!
I won't talk to you again ,Rick, until you gargle with a Surgeon General
approved mouthwash.
SkydiverRick
> "SkydiverRick" <Skydiv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ryZQc.4702$rb2....@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> LORD OF THE SKY wrote:
>>> The question that is bothering me today(and it is really causing
>>> me to question my grasp of the concept) is ; how did a passport
>>> weighing less than a pound travel further after the impact than
>>> either of the black boxes which weigh much more?
>>
>>
>> Drop a brick and a feather from altitude. If there is any wind at
>> all the feather will land farther away.
>
> Do you understand the concept of momentum at all?
Seems logical to assume that the building might absorb some, if not all of
the energy of the black boxes. But you stack rocks for a living, so you must
be a expert in momentum.
LORD OF THE SKY
Oh ,yes,
of course you must be correct !
How silly I am to have forgotten the energy absorbing qualities of the
building!
Just one question ,Rick.
Well two questions..;
Why didn't the building which absorbed the momentum of the "black boxes "
absorb the momentum of the *indestructible passport*.
And secondly , how do you reckon Mohammed Attas' passport found it's way
out of his jacket pocket, through the steel hull which would have surrounded
the pilot, escaped the fireball which eventually caused the collapse of the
building, and ended up in the hands of the FBI?
Because my only explanation is that Mohammed Atta ,as so many foreigners
do, was wearing a "man purse" .
Got anything better?
SkydiverRick
Glad to be of help.
SkydiverRick
>>>>> LORD OF THE SKY wrote:
>>>>>> The question that is bothering me today(and it is really
>>>>>> causing me to question my grasp of the concept) is ; how did a
>>>>>> passport weighing less than a pound travel further after the
>>>>>> impact than either of the black boxes which weigh much more?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Drop a brick and a feather from altitude. If there is any wind at
>>>>> all the feather will land farther away.
>>>>
>>>> Do you understand the concept of momentum at all?
>>>
>>> Seems logical to assume that the building might absorb some, if not
>>> all of the energy of the black boxes. But you stack rocks for a
>>> living, so you must be a expert in momentum.
>>
>> Oh ,yes,
>> of course you must be correct !
Glad to be of help.
>>
>> How silly I am to have forgotten the energy absorbing qualities of
>> the building!
>>
>> Just one question ,Rick.
>>
>> Well two questions..;
>> Why didn't the building which absorbed the momentum of the "black
>> boxes " absorb the momentum of the *indestructible passport*.
Who says that it didn't?
>>
>> And secondly , how do you reckon Mohammed Attas' passport found it's
>> way out of his jacket pocket, through the steel hull which would have
>> surrounded the pilot, escaped the fireball which eventually caused
>> the collapse of the building, and ended up in the hands of the FBI?
>>
I don't have a clue.
>> Because my only explanation is that Mohammed Atta ,as so many
>> foreigners do, was wearing a "man purse" .
>> Got anything better?
You aren't explaining, you're speculating.
SkydiverRick
me
>
> I hope you will forgive me if you see this as a breech of newsgroup
> etiquette, but for the benefit of the readers, and in an honest attempt to
> portray the Truth ,I would like to address your points in a different order
> than which you delivered them.
>
> > Do you understand the concept of momentum at all?
>
> To tell the truth ,Kevin, I'm not very schooled . Certainly I have no
> formal education in the laws of physics ,however, I have been a keen
> observer for nearly half a century of the forces which affect the matter
> which surrounds me.
> I did believe, considering my observations, that I had at least a
> laymans' grasp of the "concept of momentum" .
> The question that is bothering me today(and it is really causing me to
> question my grasp of the concept) is ; how did a passport weighing less than
> a pound travel further after the impact than either of the black boxes which
> weigh much more?
Was the passport bolted to anything? Was the black box? Where are
the black boxes located? Where was the passport located?
> Perhaps you could pull out your *pocket slide rule* and explain to me
> how a item of less weight traveled farther after the impact than one of
> greater weight.
What horizontal distance did the passport have to travel to clear the
primary structure of the building? What effect do aerodynamic forces
have on a passport as compared to a black box?
>
> I'd appreciate that.
>
> And just as an aside, Kevin, and for my own education, could you explain
> how a passport made of paper survived the crash and was found under inches
> of debris while the black box ,which was engineered to withstand the force
> of an airplane crash and equipped with a homing beacon, was never found?
See above.
> > one of the larger "pollutants" that was in the area was toner from the
> cartridges of all the >copiers and printers in those buildings. There were
> ALOT of them. They didn't
> > all burn
>
> Mr. OConnell, something you may not have considered is the fact that the
> majority of this
> "toner from cartridges" were on floors of the WTC which were not involved
> in the impact or the initial fire.
Yeah, and potentially neither would a passport that went out the
windows of the cockpit and was ejected along with alot of other
debris from the aircurrents set up inside that building during the
initial impact.
>
> >The strength of steel varies widely, almost an order of
> > magnitude, between the weakest and strongest). Precious little of the
> > steel in the twin towers "melted". Most of it just weakened (softened)
> > enough to not be able to sustain the load to which it was exposed
> (basically
> > the mass of the rest of the building above it).
>
> Mr. O'Connell, is your statement above based on scientific testing of the
> materials which failed? Because I have been led to believe that all the
> steel from WTC was loaded up and hauled out of the country before any
> scientific testing could be conducted.
You have been mislead.
>
> If the case is that your statement is based on some report ,(perhaps from
> a periodical such as "Pocket Protector Weakly" ) could you explain how the
> investigators found amongst the tangled mess which was the infrastructure
> of buildings WTC1 and 2, the steel sections from the floors which were
> directly impacted by the aircraft?
Let me give you the short version of how structural analysis is done.
Minimum material properties are established for steel. The steel
is inspected when manufactured to ensure they meet or exceed those levels.
Controled manufacturing processes are used which are established to
create certian material proterties in steel. They know what kind of
steel was used to make the building, they know that it was tested
before use, the also know material properties don't vary all that
much from a range of properties (because of the controlled processes).
Based upon all of that you can establish minimum and maximum strengths
and stiffnesses possible in the building structure. They were exceeded.
>
> Do you understand the concept of investigation at all? :>)
I hate to say this, but yes, probably more than you. A fundamental
aspect of the DOT's crash investigation is an incredibly complex
method of failure analysis which is frustratingly thorough. Most
folks don't have the patience for it. (It involves "proving" that
everything is as it was suppose to be at the time of the failure.
"Prove" the engines were running, prove the pilot was alive, prove
the air wasn't contaminated....)
Kevin O'Connell
pass griper
>Date: 8/9/04 2:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <73af7090.04080...@posting.google.com>
> Do you understand the concept of momentum at all?
> how did a passport weighing less than
>> a pound travel further after the impact than either of the black boxes
>which
>> weigh much more?
>
Ask yourself this: what's going through a bugs mind as it impacts the
windscreen of a tractor trailer doing 70MPH?
His ASS!
Skip
well, not really. there's a low pressure zone just leading the
windshield, and the bug explodes, then splats.
me
More germane to the question is that a bug at windshield level 8
feet in front of the hood ornament, probably ain't gonna hit said
windshield. The aircurrents will push it up and over the whole vehicle.
Kevin O'Connell
bigjim
> feet in front of the hood ornament, probably ain't gonna hit said
> windshield. The aircurrents will push it up and over the whole vehicle.
>
Next time you are driving down the highway take a look out the window. This
is 2004. How many cars you be seeing with hood ornaments.
ynotssor
> More germane to the question is that a bug at windshield level 8
> feet in front of the hood ornament, probably ain't gonna hit said
> windshield. The aircurrents will push it up and over the whole
> vehicle.
I sure wish all the dead bugs on my windshield would've known that, then
they wouldn't have had to succumb to the inertia of their body mass.
tony
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me
They did "know" that. They went up and over your car. It was the
ones a bit lower than the ornament that hit your windshield.
Kevin O'Connell
me
Jaguar, Mack, Mercedes, Dodge Ram. And those are just the elavated
ones. Most every car has an imbedded ornament.
Kevin O'Connell
ynotssor
>>> More germane to the question is that a bug at windshield level 8
>>> feet in front of the hood ornament, probably ain't gonna hit said
>>> windshield. The aircurrents will push it up and over the whole
>>> vehicle.
>>
>> I sure wish all the dead bugs on my windshield would've known that,
>> then
>> they wouldn't have had to succumb to the inertia of their body mass.
>
> They did "know" that. They went up and over your car. It was the
> ones a bit lower than the ornament that hit your windshield.
No, the lower ones got diced in the car's radiator.
me
Well, actually, those were the "even lower" ones. Precious little
air actually goes under a car and the vast majority goes over.
Kevin O'Connell
ynotssor
>>>>> More germane to the question is that a bug at windshield level 8
>>>>> feet in front of the hood ornament, probably ain't gonna hit said
>>>>> windshield. The aircurrents will push it up and over the whole
>>>>> vehicle.
>>>>
>>>> I sure wish all the dead bugs on my windshield would've known that,
>>>> then
>>>> they wouldn't have had to succumb to the inertia of their body
>>>> mass.
>>>
>>> They did "know" that. They went up and over your car. It was
>>> the
>>> ones a bit lower than the ornament that hit your windshield.
>>
>> No, the lower ones got diced in the car's radiator.
>
> Well, actually, those were the "even lower" ones. Precious little
> air actually goes under a car and the vast majority goes over.
A 1969 Dodge A-108 van and a Monarch butterfly swarm.
LORD OF THE SKY
> "LORD OF THE SKY" <djar...@alltel.net> wrote in message
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Sorry for the delay in replying ,Mr. O'Connell and readers, but I was off
on a trip to the East. A *fact finding/ Peace keeping mission*, if you
will. That Sadyr.. what a sell-out pussy!!!!!!!! Anyway, I've again
travelled toward the west and I'm happy to once again find myself in a
position to enlighten the masses.
Hey Kevin, ..once again.., do you know of any scientific testing
performed on any portion of the steel from the "World Trade Center",
post-collapse?
I mean.., yeah .., we all know the steel *should*have held up to that
minor impact and fire (and thanks for briefing us on the *pre-construction*
quality control process), but can you provide us any information pertaining
to physical tests, post-collapse, of the steel members which failed ?
Because.., you see, Kevin,.. I'm not so ready to believe that *fire*
brought down those two buildings in such a symmetrical manner.
No, Kevin, and as we've discussed, I'm no physics major, but as a long
time observer of the world in which I live, I do have some preconceived
notions as to how natural forces affect physical structures.
I'd appreciate an engineers' insight as to how and why the building which
was struck secondly was the first to collapse. I'd especially appreciate
your thoughts as to why the building which was struck secondly and by a much
less centered *hit* ,in which most of the fuel load was thrown in a fireball
outside the building , collapsed first.
I'd also appreciate any explanation you, as an engineer , might provide
as to how two random events ( and I'm sure you agree that fire is
usually unpredictable and random) could result in such symmetrical
collapses!!!
I mean .., to any non-physicist/ engineer those collapses would appear
to have been a *controlled demolition*.
But I'm getting a bit ahead of myself . I really wanted to wait a bit
before I got into a discussion of the collapse of Boaz and Jachin (each 110
stories tall ) and the #7 building which was exactly 47 stories tall and
named "The Soloman Brothers' Building",which had a subterranean vault in
which there was a gold repository.
I really wanted to hold off before explaining to the rest of the readers
that the man who owned the #7 building, Silverstein(a dirty stinkin'jew) ,
LOL !, was dumb enough to state on a PBS documentary that he was involved in
the decision to "pull" building #7.ROTFLOL!!!
What a frickin fore-skin headed idiot!!! A walking + talking Shmotz! All
that effort and this schmuk goes on TV and opens his bagel hole?
(as an aside,.. If any of you had previously followed my encoding
threads, check out the numbers involved in this post and if you are quick
enough you may begin to catch on)
No Kevin, for now I'd like to continue my focus on Mohammed Atta and
the obvious fact that the discovery by the FBI of his passport just a few
blocks away from the World **Trade** Center days after 9-11 should cause any
*man of reason* to believe that the story we are being told is a fairy tale.
Ya' see Kevin, I am an Operative Mason.
My business is setting stone, laying brick, concrete block , etc.
For the most part my business is construction.
On occasion I contract to perform minor demolition. Maybe my client
needs an opening for a doorway through a solid block wall, sometimes a
window needs to be established in a wall of brick. These minor demolition
services I happily offer my clients.
Again, I'm no Physicist or engineer , but my observation is that even
very minor demolition projects create alot of dust.
This dust covers anything which is left on the ground and camouflages
everything. I've lost innumerable "squares" over the years on demolition
jobs. You leave it on the ground, it is lost! Covered in a layer of dust
which camouflages and conceals.
That is a fact of "minor demolition".
So how much dust was generated by the controlled demolition of World
Trade Center Buildings #s 1,2, and 7 ?
But we are expected to believe that Mohammed Attas' passport left
his jacket pocket, escaped the aluminum hull of the aircraft, survived the
fireball and the buildings collapse , and even considering the dust
deposited from the *controlled demolition* , dust which was up to three
inches deep, we are to believe that the FBI found the passport , on a New
York City street, which belonged to one of the terrorist pilots and that
this passport wasn't planted there by some one who would like us to believe
that Mohammed Atta was piloting that aircraft?
Yeah.. Right!
Maybe it "fell off a truck!!!"
Something stinks all around this 9-11 and Afghanistan and Iraq,
Kevin.
It stinks of sand and mortar and New World Order.
David Ferree
<djar...@alltel.net> said:
>
>"me" <ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message
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>> "LORD OF THE SKY" <djar...@alltel.net> wrote in message
>news:<XdZQc.5452$Nd7...@fe39.usenetserver.com>...
>
> Sorry for the delay in replying ,Mr. O'Connell and readers, but I was off
>on a trip to the East. A *fact finding/ Peace keeping mission*, if you
>will. That Sadyr.. what a sell-out pussy!!!!!!!! Anyway, I've again
>travelled toward the west and I'm happy to once again find myself in a
>position to enlighten the masses.
(SNIP)
Earth to Fleatop. Nobody cares about your insane rants anymore.
LORD OF THE SKY
"David Ferree" <david...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Earth to Fleatop. Nobody cares about your insane rants anymore.
Hi David,
I'm glad to know that I can still count you among my faithful
readers.
Also, don't sell your self so short!!
You are somebody!!!!!
Don't think of yourself as a "Nobody"!!
Repeat after me, David : I am good enough.
I am a good person!
I'm smart enough and dog gonnit
.., I'm sensitive enough!
Sorry you didn't get that *paying job* with the NJ governor , David.
LORD of the SKY knows you tried hard enough(slurp slurp) .
Too bad you aren't a dirty filthy Jew.
You do look marvelous in a yamika!
David Ferree
<djar...@alltel.net> said:
>
>"David Ferree" <david...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:s7i8i0dchf4da20l7...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Earth to Fleatop. Nobody cares about your insane rants anymore.
>
> Hi David,
> I'm glad to know that I can still count you among my faithful
>readers.
Earth to Fleatop. Nobody reads your insane rants anymore.
me
> Hey Kevin, ..once again.., do you know of any scientific testing
> performed on any portion of the steel from the "World Trade Center",
> post-collapse?
Some yes, to what extent I am not personnally knowledgable.
> I mean.., yeah .., we all know the steel *should*have held up to that
> minor impact and fire (and thanks for briefing us on the *pre-construction*
> quality control process), but can you provide us any information pertaining
> to physical tests, post-collapse, of the steel members which failed ?
I could probably search around and find something in the open literature.
What do you expect to find? If the trilateral commision is behind this,'
they could just provide doctored samples. The steel is going to be heavily
damaged by a poorly defined process so the properties of the steel POST
failure would be of little interest. The steel that wasn't affected by heat
would be what you would expect. If it wasn't, that would be unrelated
to that day since it would have to have been altered about the time of
construction.
Otherwise, you just have to accept that steel fails at high temperatures,
that just ain't all that surprising.
>
> Because.., you see, Kevin,.. I'm not so ready to believe that *fire*
> brought down those two buildings in such a symmetrical manner.
> No, Kevin, and as we've discussed, I'm no physics major, but as a long
> time observer of the world in which I live, I do have some preconceived
> notions as to how natural forces affect physical structures.
>
> I'd appreciate an engineers' insight as to how and why the building which
> was struck secondly was the first to collapse.
It was struck lower so the dead weight (all the building above that
point) created a higher force, which meant that the steel would
fail at a lower temperature. What would have been suspicious was if
it had gone down SECOND.
> I'd especially appreciate
> your thoughts as to why the building which was struck secondly and by a much
> less centered *hit* ,in which most of the fuel load was thrown in a fireball
> outside the building , collapsed first.
Because heat transfers around pretty fast and the small differences in
temperature was relatively insignificant. The building was, by design,
a wide open space with little to impede the flow of air, or the spread
of fire, laterally.
> I'd also appreciate any explanation you, as an engineer , might provide
> as to how two random events ( and I'm sure you agree that fire is
> usually unpredictable and random) could result in such symmetrical
> collapses!!!
> I mean .., to any non-physicist/ engineer those collapses would appear
> to have been a *controlled demolition*.
It was a symmetrical load on a HIGHLY symetrical structure. They
were identical structures struck in nearly identical ways.
[snip]
> But we are expected to believe that Mohammed Attas' passport left
> his jacket pocket,
How do you know where his passport was? I don't always
carry mine in my pocket. Sometimes it's in a bag. It might
easily have been in an open bag containing other useful information
like flight instructions, operating instructions, maps, etc. Could
have been on the dashboard for all you know.
> escaped the aluminum hull of the aircraft,
Through the window right infront of his face.
> survived the fireball
Or was never in the fire ball. They found one of the engines
on the ground. The passport could have easily been ejected
with alot of the other paper you see flying out. Alot of contents
of the aircraft were found.
> and the buildings collapse ,
It was probably on the ground prior to collapse.
> and even considering the dust
> deposited from the *controlled demolition* , dust which was up to three
> inches deep, we are to believe that the FBI found the passport , on a New
> York City street, which belonged to one of the terrorist pilots and that
> this passport wasn't planted there by some one who would like us to believe
> that Mohammed Atta was piloting that aircraft?
>
> Yeah.. Right!
We find bullets from 150 year old wars. We find a couple of thousand
year old ships on the bottom of the ocean. You don't think we can find
a 5 day old passport under an inch of dust being search by 20,000 rescuers,
volunteers, steel workers, and just plain folk picking through the
trash?
You've looked, you're definitely reaching, it's time to pull.
Kevin O'Connell
David Ferree
>"LORD OF THE SKY" <djar...@alltel.net> wrote in message news:<%vXUc.777$Oa6...@fe39.usenetserver.com>...
>> "me" <ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message
>> news:73af7090.04080...@posting.google.com...
>[snip]
>> Hey Kevin, ..once again.., do you know of any scientific testing
>> performed on any portion of the steel from the "World Trade Center",
>> post-collapse?
>
> Some yes, to what extent I am not personnally knowledgable.
(snip what are probably replies to an insane rant)
Kevin keeps getting confused over "debate" and "the bait."
me
You keep thinking you know what I'm doing.
Kevin O'Connell
me
Apparently you do.
Kevin O'Connell
David Ferree
I'm disappointed, Kevin. I thought you were bright enough to know
that reading Fleatop's insane rants is not necessary to know that
they're insane rants. But I'll admit when I'm wrong, and in this case
I am. Read all you want.
David Ferree
Silly me, imagining you're doing what you're doing.
me
> On 19 Aug 2004 14:42:35 -0700, ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com (me) said:
>
> >David Ferree <david...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<0vh9i0trmkoh8g6mi...@4ax.com>...
> >> Earth to Fleatop. Nobody reads your insane rants anymore.
> >
> > Apparently you do.
>
>
> I'm disappointed, Kevin. I thought you were bright enough to know
> that reading Fleatop's insane rants is not necessary to know that
> they're insane rants. But I'll admit when I'm wrong, and in this case
> I am. Read all you want.
Still struggling with basic comprehension I see.
Kevin O'Connell
me
> On 19 Aug 2004 14:41:52 -0700, ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com (me) said:
>
> >David Ferree <david...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<qdq9i09259vug1ifp...@4ax.com>...
> >> >> "me" <ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:73af7090.04080...@posting.google.com...
[snip]>
> >> Kevin keeps getting confused over "debate" and "the bait."
> >
> > You keep thinking you know what I'm doing.
>
>
> Silly me, imagining you're doing what you're doing.
Yes, you are a bit silly, and with limited imagination.
Kevin O'Connell
David Ferree
I'm sorry to hear that, Kevin. You might try some sort of mental
agility exercises, since I know you've done better before and
therefore could again. But as long as you don't start imagining
yourself to be imaginative in your current state, there's still hope.
David Ferree
Damn, Kevin, just after we went over the part about you imagining
yourself to be imaginative in your current addled state of mind.
Tsk Tsk!
David
LORD OF THE SKY
> You've looked, you're definitely reaching, it's time to pull.
>
Mr. O'Connell, I notice you selectively snipped the portion of my response
where I stated; " But I'm getting a bit ahead of myself . I really wanted to
wait a bit
before I got into a discussion of the collapse of Boaz and Jachin (each 110
stories tall ) and the #7 building which was exactly 47 stories tall and
named "The Soloman Brothers' Building",which had a subterranean vault in
which there was a gold repository.
I really wanted to hold off before explaining to the rest of the readers
that the man who owned the #7 building, Silverstein(a dirty stinkin'jew) ,
LOL !, was dumb enough to state on a PBS documentary that he was involved in
the decision to "pull" building #7.ROTFLOL!!!" and "No Kevin, for now I'd
like to continue my focus on Mohammed Atta and
the obvious fact that the discovery by the FBI of his passport just a few
blocks away from the World **Trade** Center days after 9-11 should cause any
*man of reason* to believe that the story we are being told is a fairy
tale."
But that was then ,this is now.
Now I should move on and again attempt to *titillate*(I said TIT!!!) the
readers .
I wonder how many efforts I will have to put forth before the *sheeple*
will do their own research and arrive at the Truth.
Mr. O'Connell, Do you understand why ShrubbyU was orderd to read the story
of a pet "goat" during the attacks of 9-11?
Have you considered this?
Let me take you back, Mr O'Connell to the night of your initiation.
Remember being a bit apprehensive about the whole deal?
Remember Kevin , how member after member came to you before the
initiation and mentioned that you were going to be forced to "ride the
goat?", They had a *Large* goat for you to ride tonight , etc.?
The idea was that the members wanted to scare you a bit before your
initiation.
There was no *real* physical harm that would come to you that great
evening,.. they just wanted to ...
"Get your goat"!!!
So Bush (the skull and bones member)reads a story about a pet goat during
the "attack".
This is symbolic.
Yes Kevin, on a smaller scale you were threatened by this talk of
"goats". There was no real threat, infact you were to be in the best of care
for the entirety of the evening.
A parallel is the "Terrorist" threat to America.
There is no real threat other than that created by the US Government at
the behest of the Israelis.
But Georgie insists that Terrorism is a threat to our way of life and that
we should continue in this"War on Terrorism"
Most of the country believes him.
Seems he *got their goat*.
me
> "me" <ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message
> news:73af7090.04081...@posting.google.com...
>
> > You've looked, you're definitely reaching, it's time to pull.
> >
>
> Mr. O'Connell, I notice you selectively snipped the portion of my response
You've snipped it all I notice.
[snip]
> So Bush (the skull and bones member)reads a story about a pet goat during
> the "attack".
> This is symbolic.
And sometimes a goat is just a goat.
Kevin O'Connell
Icarus
> "Icarus" <kam...@eastex.net> wrote in message
> news:433ec1aa.04080...@posting.google.com...
> > We need to take care out the homegrown dickweeds first.
> > (((((((((MARCH ON GEORGIA))))))))
> > yeeha
> > >
>
> Sherman tried that once. Now he's pushin' up daisies so "Bring it on!!!.
Yuh but that Yankee wern't kill in the war---die frum dranking &
gitting old, Now boys west of the mighty missisip is skeeming to do
the Georgia cracker crumbling give us yer GPS coordnitates--we can do
it from the back screen porch save our hoss's frum breaking a sweat &
nare git a skeeter bite yeeha
Icarus
> SkydiverRick wrote:
> > SkydiverRick wrote:
> >
> >>>>>> LORD OF THE SKY wrote:
> >>>>>>> The question that is bothering me today(and it is really
> >>>>>>> causing me to question my grasp of the concept) is ; how did a
> >>>>>>> passport weighing less than a pound travel further after the
> >>>>>>> impact than either of the black boxes which weigh much more?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> all the feather will land farther away.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you understand the concept of momentum at all?
> >>>>
tree ain't very smart even for a Jarguh boy. hain't country either or
he wud know light flat surfaced objects skip further---ya know like
dried cow pattys
in a shit fight and rocks skipping across a watering hole...All he
knows is conspiracy theorys. Must live in constant fear, don't know
how the boy skydives!
Think it out tree;
A. ewe believe the Govt's aftwer you right?
B. The FAA is an Arm of the US Government.
(1)Jump pilots have a FAA ticket
WORSE THAN THAT
(2) All the Riggers in the USPA hold a FAA Rating.
Better play it safe and spend yer weekends under the bed cityboy 0;-*
Jerry K.
>"LORD OF THE SKY" <djar...@alltel.net> wrote in message news:<UcOQc.4235$Nd7...@fe39.usenetserver.com>...
>> "Icarus" <kam...@eastex.net> wrote in message
>> news:433ec1aa.04080...@posting.google.com...
>> > We need to take care out the homegrown dickweeds first.
>> > (((((((((MARCH ON GEORGIA))))))))
>> > yeeha
>> > >
>>
>> Sherman tried that once. Now he's pushin' up daisies so "Bring it on!!!.
>
>Yuh but that Yankee wern't kill in the war---die frum dranking &
>gitting old,
He died of bronchial problems - probably penumonia - a few days after
catching a cold.
Do your homework.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
bigjim
on!!!.
> >
> >Yuh but that Yankee wern't kill in the war---die frum dranking &
> >gitting old,
>
> He died of bronchial problems - probably penumonia - a few days after
> catching a cold.
>
> Do your homework.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Righttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
Now
The Snuff and Jerry show is back. Beats the fuck out of the "meaningful"
drivel we have had around here lately.
Icarus
>
> Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Righttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
> Now
>
> The Snuff and Jerry show is back. Beats the fuck out of the "meaningful"
> drivel we have had around here lately.
After all that yowling you did about wasted bandwidth? Suffer a lotta
brain locks in the point crunch durning transition do ya
BiggyJim---Attention span
attention span attention span fukking young idiots and tell Jerry old
was
younger durning the 1860's so he needs to 2X Shermans age out at the
time of death-------->Concept and Attention span OK you two kids get
on the creepers and work on it ;)P
Jerry K.
Never said he wasn't old by yesterday or even today's standards - but
he didn't die of drinking. Hell, you probably think booze killed
Grant, too.
...bsrp
...jlk
LORD OF THE SKY
> > So Bush (the skull and bones member)reads a story about a pet goat
during
> > the "attack".
> > This is symbolic.
>
> And sometimes a goat is just a goat.
That's very True Mr. O"Connell,
And it is likely that the reading of "The Goat Story" wasn't symbolic but
merely coincidence.
And the word "Trade" in The World "Trade" Center probably does refer to
*all types of commerce * and any idea that it refers to any specific *craft*
or *trade* is probably just in the mind of conspiracy theorists .
I'm sure it is just a coincidence that the "Twin Towers" were built to
*exactly*
11 0 stories each and stood as Jachin and Boaz as twin pillars to the
entrance of the complex.
I'm sure it is merely a coincidence that the " # 7 " building, "The
Soloman Brothers Building" was built to exactly 47 stories and contained a
"subterranean vault" which was used as a gold repository replicating "the
holy of holies".
but yes, ..It's all coincidence.
Surely ,It's a coincidence that George H. Bush (a skull and bones member)
first unveiled the plan for a "New World Order" exactly 10 years to the day
before the September 11th attacks. 9-11-1991
I'm sure it is mere coincidence that exactly 3 planes hit targets on 9-11,
and I'm sure that the flight numbers were not symbolic either.
But I really didn't want to get into all of that, I really wanted to
get back to Mohammed Atta and the Pakistani connection to the events of the
day.
A Pakistani connection which has been more exposed in the last few weeks.
I'd also like to talk about Porter Goss's reward . You know he was meeting
with the head of the ISI (Pakistanis intelligence service , a parallel and
creation of our own CIA) during the demolition of the World Trade Center,
don'tcha'?
Of course , there are no conspiracies.
Never have been, and if there were they were all things of the past!
Nothing like that could possibly be going on now!
If the terrorist attacks fell the World Trade Center on 9-11 (and both of
us understand the symbolism of those numbers) the date was mere
coincidence. Could have happened on 9-12 or even 9-10 .
And when there is another "Terrorist " attack on election day *11-9* ,
the date will be insignificant and not symbolic at all.
So George was reading a story about a goat, ..so what? BFD!!!
It don't mean nothing.
But not so fast..,
Did Silverstein (the owner of WTC #7 who purchased the lease on both the
north and south towers{Boaz and Jachin} just months before the attack)
commit a major faux pas? Were his comments on the PBS documentary a
mistake?
You see, Silverstein was in a position to make a lot of money off of his
leases on WTC #s 1+2 ! Bought 'em at a deal and they were insured to the
max.
But then he opened his arrogant, bagel-bitin'mouth on PBS and let the cat
out of the bag.
For that he had to be punished and a judge who was a
"Travelling -Tradesman" himself metered out the punishment.
Silverstein would not collect as if the collapse of each building was
a separate incident. No, the deductibles and limits would apply as if each
building were a part of one incident.
Not exactly the plan Larry S. signed up for and it did cause his
financial ruin, but hey.., he was the Ultradumass who went on a public
television documentary and announced to the world that they had been had.
That the collapse of #7 was a decision. A decision he took part in! LOL!! ,
ROTFLMOL!!!!
Ya see, that dirty, filthy, Jew, .. Silverstein..
stated on a PBS documentary..,
for the whole world to hear even though few of us were listening,
that he was in on the decision to "pull" building #7 as the fires
could not be brought under control .
Now for those of you who have read this far ,let me clue you in.
In fire-fighting the term "pull the building" means to collapse the
exterior.
This is standard procedure on buildings two and three stories tall . The
firemen take a pole and "pull" the exterior walls down.
Here is a tidbit for "advanced thinkers" ; How do you "pull" a
building of 47 stories constructed of concrete and steel?
You can't.
Unless it has been pre-wired for demolition.
Now according to the owner he was in on the decision to "pull" #7 , and it
was pulled.
Were buildings #1 and #2 also wired for demolition and pulled??
Or is it all one happy coincidence
bigjim
brain locks in the point crunch durning transition do ya
BiggyJim>
Google up one post where I was yowling or other wise complaining about
bandwidth. You are hallucinating again, fats. It's a sad statement of
affairs around here when there is bullshit more boring than yours. The only
good thing about your latest return is getting to watch Jerry kick you
around like a soccer ball.
Icarus
WHAT? I not a computer geek, Jerr.k showed me how last year but I done
forgot
how. You two punks just fall your ass's out on the pad and creeper
dive concept.
BTW make sure Jerr.k shows up with a creeper that has wheels...Hes led
a rather sheltered life, been jumping the video slot since he got his
A LIC I rukun, ya might have to work with him on the concept of gettin
in and taking a grip..
Might be why he appears so dilbert. The boy made a lotta quick jumps
but he might as well been doing solo's...Lurking high, claiming the
center position
throwing out early. The long haired bitch might not understand
creepers are made with wheels for a reason! <eg> Helping him with
concept might improve your attention span over 60 sec. OK Hubba Hubba
Hubba GET AFTER IT P E C K E R WOOD
Jerry K.
>"bigjim" <big...@the-beach.net> wrote in message news:<10isu9t...@corp.supernews.com>...
>> <After all that yowling you did about wasted bandwidth? Suffer a lotta
>> brain locks in the point crunch durning transition do ya
>> BiggyJim>
>>
>> Google up one post where I was yowling or other wise complaining about
>> bandwidth. You are hallucinating again, fats. It's a sad statement of
>> affairs around here when there is bullshit more boring than yours. The only
>> good thing about your latest return is getting to watch Jerry kick you
>> around like a soccer ball.
>
>
>WHAT? I not a computer geek, Jerr.k showed me how last year but I done
>forgot
Whatsa matter? Swiss cheese for brains with that whine? Sounds about
right.
>how. You two punks just fall your ass's out on the pad and creeper
>dive concept.
>BTW make sure Jerr.k shows up with a creeper that has wheels...Hes led
>a rather sheltered life, been jumping the video slot since he got his
>A LIC I rukun,
You reckon wrong but that's nothing new. Did one with a C license and
then made more jumps than you ever made, ever (which isn't a lot,
admittedly), before I got around to learning how to fly with cameras
on the head.
>ya might have to work with him on the concept of gettin
>in and taking a grip..
Heh - Why,. I was shooting formations over the Johnson Space Center
not but a few hours ago this very day and when the formation went to
the big O on the bottom quarter of the dive I dropped down and joined
'em until breakoff.
>Might be why he appears so dilbert.
Appears so Dilbert? Hell, whatever *that* means. You appear
so...wait - you don't appear at all. Ain't got it in ya. Never did -
not really. Evolution in action, pure and simple.
>The boy made a lotta quick jumps
>but he might as well been doing solo's...
Heh - you've never jumped where the object is to make the mass of
hrutling objects appear static within a certain, set and defined and
minimal aspect ratio. Nevermind nailing an exit within that
unchanging 4:3. BTW, "solo" assignation or not - whatever happened to
"airtime, airtime, airtime?"
>Lurking high,
Not as high as you think. How high is that you say. The wide angle
predicates some pretty close flying sometimes. All depends on the
formation. Flying in 3d depending upon how it's breathing and which
formation it is.
>claiming the
>center position
You got a better candidate?
>throwing out early.
Oh yeah - that's rich. "Well, let's just let that camerageek keep
the center and throw out with the rest of us thereby halving the
horizontal distance, canopy to canopy for everyone...no, wait - let's
just make him pick a heading and track with the rest of the group and
put another body in the race for the horizone equation!" Nope, you
ain't got a clue, Jimmie, not a clue. With extra gear comes extra
factors which predicate (if you're smart) throwing out on center at or
around the time the formation tracks off.
>The long haired bitch might not understand
>creepers are made with wheels for a reason! <eg> Helping him with
>concept might improve your attention span over 60 sec. OK Hubba Hubba
>Hubba GET AFTER IT P E C K E R WOOD
Do a lot of creeping these days, do ya Jimmie? Probably not much less
than when you were jumping.
...bsrp
...jlk
me
[snip]
> I'm sure it is mere coincidence that exactly 3 planes hit targets on 9-11,
> and I'm sure that the flight numbers were not symbolic either.
There were suppose to be four. Some suggestion that additional
flights were suppose to be taken but the planes were grounded too soon.
[snip]
> Of course , there are no conspiracies.
What's the biggest one ever exposed?
[snip]
> Were buildings #1 and #2 also wired for demolition and pulled??
No.
Kevin O'Connell
Icarus
> On 27 Aug 2004 09:46:44 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
>
> >"bigjim" <big...@the-beach.net> wrote in message news:<10isu9t...@corp.supernews.com>...
> >> <After all that yowling you did about wasted bandwidth? Suffer a lotta
> >> brain locks in the point crunch durning transition do ya
> >> BiggyJim>
> Whatsa matter? Swiss cheese for brains with that whine? Sounds about
> right.
>
>
>You two punks just fall your ass's out on the pad and creeper
> >dive concept.
> >BTW make sure Jerr.k shows up with a creeper that has wheels...Hes led
> >a rather sheltered life, been jumping the video slot since he got his
> >A LIC I rukun,
>
> You reckon wrong
> >ya might have to work with him on the concept of gettin
> >in and taking a grip..
>
> Heh - Why,. I was shooting formations over the Johnson Space Center
> not but a few hours ago this very day and when the formation went to
> the big O on the bottom quarter of the dive I dropped down and joined
> 'em until breakoff.
once or twice ain't impressive boy ya need to be consistant even the
biggest flailers luck out once in a while ;->
>
> >The boy made a lotta quick jumps
> >but he might as well been doing solo's...
>
> Heh - you've never jumped where the object is to make the mass of
> hrutling objects appear static within a certain, set and defined and
> minimal aspect ratio. Nevermind nailing an exit within that
> unchanging 4:3. BTW, "solo" assignation or not - whatever happened to
> "airtime, airtime, airtime?"
>
> >Lurking high,
>
> Not as high as you think. >
Not to mention pulling high 99% of the time, ya kin tell the kid went
AFF
OK heres yer profile Jerr.k
*Went AFF, wore booties on the L7 jump
((SUCKASS)
*Had to take up Camera to get people to jump with his prima donna
butt,
also the side benefit of high openings ((SISSY BOY))
> >claiming the
> >center position
>
> You got a better candidate?
>
> >throwing out early.
>
> Oh yeah - that's rich.
YEAH YA DO ACT LIKE A SCARED LITTLE LONG HAIRED CITYBITCH
> >The long haired bitch might not understand
> >creepers are made with wheels for a reason! <eg> Helping him with
> >concept might improve your attention span over 60 sec. OK Hubba Hubba
> >Hubba GET AFTER IT P E C K E R WOODS
>
> Do a lot of creeping these days, do ya Jimmie? Probably not much less
> than when you were jumping.
>
Funny thing about creeping its 10X more effective than dirt
diving...My POPS Bronze medal at 219 jumps, 16 point Falcon and Double
Eagle as a C lic. came out of creeper pits...Dirt dives seemed to lead
to a lotta foprmation blow ups for people with under 3/400
jumps---shit as A's we would dirt dive on the climb to altitude on the
SPX otter much to the dismay of the pilot, AFF/JM's and a few Deguello
doing small ways <eg>
SkydiverRick
> once or twice ain't impressive boy ya need to be consistant even the
> biggest flailers luck out once in a while ;->
Been reading your logbook Snuff?
Jerry K.
>Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<b6r4j0p8rm8l6atdv...@4ax.com>...
>> On 27 Aug 2004 09:46:44 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
>>
>> >"bigjim" <big...@the-beach.net> wrote in message news:<10isu9t...@corp.supernews.com>...
>> >> <After all that yowling you did about wasted bandwidth? Suffer a lotta
>> >> brain locks in the point crunch durning transition do ya
>> >> BiggyJim>
>> Jerr.k gonna have to do it he's the computer geek
>
>> Whatsa matter? Swiss cheese for brains with that whine? Sounds about
>> right.
>>
>>
> >You two punks just fall your ass's out on the pad and creeper
>> >dive concept.
>> >BTW make sure Jerr.k shows up with a creeper that has wheels...Hes led
>> >a rather sheltered life, been jumping the video slot since he got his
>> >A LIC I rukun,
>>
>> You reckon wrong
>
>> >ya might have to work with him on the concept of gettin
>> >in and taking a grip..
>>
>> Heh - Why,. I was shooting formations over the Johnson Space Center
>> not but a few hours ago this very day and when the formation went to
>> the big O on the bottom quarter of the dive I dropped down and joined
>> 'em until breakoff.
>
>once or twice ain't impressive boy ya need to be consistant even the
>biggest flailers luck out once in a while ;->
Yeah, well - you weren't talking about consistancy - though I have
that (knock wood) and can prove it - not that that matters. You
weren't talking about lucking out - though I've had that happen too.
You were talking about the concept of getting in and taking a grip -
bigger issue for you than it ever was for me. Once or twice? I just
gave you a single convienent (for me) example (inconvienent for you)
which, as ever, cast the light of "Jimmie's a pretentious blowhard" in
giant neon letters. As for impressive? Pretty sad life you lead,
hobbled as you are within the subjective bubble of just what is
impressive and what is not. Keeping that in mind - I'm impressed that
the only person you took out of the sport was yourself. <afix
whatever emoticon you like to color the words and in so doing, convey
some sort of emotional spin>
>>
>> >The boy made a lotta quick jumps
>> >but he might as well been doing solo's...
>>
>> Heh - you've never jumped where the object is to make the mass of
>> hrutling objects appear static within a certain, set and defined and
>> minimal aspect ratio. Nevermind nailing an exit within that
>> unchanging 4:3. BTW, "solo" assignation or not - whatever happened to
>> "airtime, airtime, airtime?"
>>
>> >Lurking high,
>>
>> Not as high as you think. >
>
>Not to mention pulling high 99% of the time,
High? Like how high? Tell us Jimmie where the line or lines which
deliniate between "too high," just right," and "too low." When you're
done, please continue with more politically correct lines across the
graph of smart, stupid, and just plain dumb. BTW - if you had pulled
higher, you think you would have missed that itsy, bitsy, narrow strip
of concrete you face planted into on the way to the hospital and
oblivion? Quite possible since that canopy was flying you - not the
other way around - which is an entirely different line of derision,
but a telling one, nonetheless.
>ya kin tell the kid went
>AFF
Yeah - I'm still in the sport - alive and well and skydiving <knocking
wood, bigtime!!! Then there is you -what's that, one out of three?
>OK heres yer profile Jerr.k
>*Went AFF, wore booties on the L7 jump
You forgot the epilogue - still jumping.
Okay - here's your profile, Jimmie
*Went S&L cause he did some in the military and he wanted to pretend
he knew what he was doing when he had to subject himself to learning
from people younger than him and, as much as he hated to admit it,
knew better than him, in order to get to make skydives on a (semi)
regular basis*
And your epilogue - wasn't able to stay in the sport more'n a few
years or so.
> ((SUCKASS)
Jealousy does not become you. You're just pissed that this AFF geek
is 1) still jumping and 2) ridiculing your stupid ass when you get
shit wrong.
>
>*Had to take up Camera to get people to jump with his prima donna
>butt,
Wait a sec - by your own words, I ain't really jumping with them, am
I? You know, high above them all? Just lurking?
Naw, that aint' how it went. I should know - I was there. Tried the
camera cause it was something different. Shot a 2way. Did good for a
first, bought my beer, ect. Didn't pick up a camera again for another
few hundred jumps cause I wanted a few hundred more jumps of
experience before I considered doing it again. Year or so later a
camerageek buddy starts bugging me to get into video cause there was a
growing need for camerageeks and he was being spread thin and wanted
the help - he knew I'd be a quick study and had potential to get
decent.
>also the side benefit of high openings ((SISSY BOY))
High? How high? Again, where's that line? Hell, you were the big
girl jumping those big, docile squares. Whatsamatter? Afraid of a
little ground speed? Too nervous to have to consider putting anything
smaller into a tight area? And what was up with that RSL of yours?
Afraid you weren't gonna be able to get to that silver handle in time?
Oh, whimper whimper whimper!
>
>> >claiming the
>> >center position
>>
>> You got a better candidate?
>>
>> >throwing out early.
>>
>> Oh yeah - that's rich.
>
>YEAH YA DO ACT LIKE A SCARED LITTLE LONG HAIRED CITYBITCH
Do I? In what way? All you have to go on is my words. What have I
*said*, not done cause you ain't ever seen me on a dz, let alone in
the air, to lend any creedence to your ideas concerning myself. And
with that said, you do act like a bitter and pretentious wannbee who
never was. Didn't have what it takes to remain in what is, when you
get down to it, a wonderful and not overly demanding sport - if you
have the wherewithall to think things through, never promise more than
you can deliver, and the ability to understand and accept when you've
screwed up plus the guts to take it like a man *and learn* from those
lumps. You were found lacking - and kicked out.
>
>> >The long haired bitch might not understand
>> >creepers are made with wheels for a reason! <eg> Helping him with
>> >concept might improve your attention span over 60 sec. OK Hubba Hubba
>> >Hubba GET AFTER IT P E C K E R WOODS
>>
>> Do a lot of creeping these days, do ya Jimmie? Probably not much less
>> than when you were jumping.
>>
>
>Funny thing about creeping its 10X more effective than dirt
>diving...My POPS Bronze medal at 219 jumps, 16 point Falcon and Double
>Eagle as a C lic. came out of creeper pits...
What the fuck? All my little cookies and gold stars came from airtime
airtime airtime (tm). I mean, there was some creeping, here and
there, it serves a purpose but I think most of the credit ought to go
to going up and having fun with my friends and keeping an open mind
while I'm learning. Damn Jimmie - bragging like you do ain't too
becoming either - but it's better than when you get all jealous and
bitchy.
>Dirt dives seemed to lead
>to a lotta foprmation blow ups for people with under 3/400
>jumps
Dives you were on? What a coincidence!
>---shit as A's we would dirt dive on the climb to altitude on the
>SPX otter much to the dismay of the pilot, AFF/JM's and a few Deguello
>doing small ways <eg>
Basically, every politically incorrect category or caste which might
come to mind and might be imagined as being on board the aircraft
*just had to be* "dismayed" because that's the angle of
self-congratulation you're mining here. "I was cool because I
dismayed some uppity people who at some point in time were most unfair
whenever they told me what I was doing was wrong or stupid. Shit,
dude - you need to find other ways to make yourself feel good about
yourself. Let it go. When you get down to it, they probably just
didn't give a flying fuck.
...bsrp
...jlk
LORD OF THE SKY
> "LORD OF THE SKY" <djar...@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:<KkuXc.1653$Ng1...@fe61.usenetserver.com>...
> [snip]
> > I'm sure it is mere coincidence that exactly 3 planes hit targets on
9-11,
> > and I'm sure that the flight numbers were not symbolic either.
>
> There were suppose to be four. Some suggestion that additional
> flights were suppose to be taken but the planes were grounded too soon.
There were exactly three designated to hit targets. The fourth was a kind
of cattle car designed to slaughter all the witnesses.
>
> [snip]
> > Of course , there are no conspiracies.
>
> What's the biggest one ever exposed?
If by "biggest" you mean *most conspirators involved* , I'm going with 9-11
.
> [snip]
> > Were buildings #1 and #2 also wired for demolition and pulled??
>
>
> No.
Hey Kevin, have you found that link to any engineering company which
performed physical tests on the failed portions of WTC steel post 9-11?
Because , when one considers that dirty ,filthy Jews'(Silverstein)
statements, it seems quite likely that #s 1+2 were also "pulled" . Infact,
the radio transmisions of the NYCFD personelle who were *on the scene* and
closest to the site of impact seem to support the conclusion that the fires
had caused minimal damage to the structure.
It sure would be nice to see the data from post cllapse *physical
tests* of the steel that failed .
But we won't be seeing any of that , will we ,Mr. O'Connell.
No, we won't be seeing any post -collapse test results because the physical
evidence from the largest crime in 100 years was hurriedly loaded on barges,
sent overseas, and melted down.
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
ps. Now can we get back to Muhhamed Atta.., the pork eating,
womanizing,alcohol imbibing ,devout and fanatical muslim who hated our
Freedom ?
me
> "me" <ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message
> news:73af7090.04083...@posting.google.com...
> > "LORD OF THE SKY" <djar...@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:<KkuXc.1653$Ng1...@fe61.usenetserver.com>...
> > [snip]
> > > I'm sure it is mere coincidence that exactly 3 planes hit targets on
> 9-11,
> > > and I'm sure that the flight numbers were not symbolic either.
> >
> > There were suppose to be four. Some suggestion that additional
> > flights were suppose to be taken but the planes were grounded too soon.
>
> There were exactly three designated to hit targets. The fourth was a kind
> of cattle car designed to slaughter all the witnesses.
Hardly, it was headed back towards DC. Probably the capitol although
it isn't clear that any of them were terribly target specific. "Big
building" seemed to be enough for them.
> > [snip]
> > > Of course , there are no conspiracies.
> >
> > What's the biggest one ever exposed?
>
> If by "biggest" you mean *most conspirators involved* , I'm going with 9-11..
I'd a probably gone with the burning of the Reichstag, but then again
I'm not sure there were more than 20 involved in that either. It's
not even clear if that was an organized conspiracy or intelligent
opportunism.
> > [snip]
> > > Were buildings #1 and #2 also wired for demolition and pulled??
> >
> >
> > No.
>
> Hey Kevin, have you found that link to any engineering company which
> performed physical tests on the failed portions of WTC steel post 9-11?
Nah, haven't bothered to look. What would you possibly hope to find?
Actual steel from the sectioned burned would be meaningless since the
steel would have been damaged by heat and no longer had the same properties
as when it was built. Any steel away from the fire would only be
an indication of poor construction techniques of the steel back in
the '60s. A bit far back for any sinister intents.
[snip]
> it seems quite likely that #s 1+2 were also "pulled" .
Only for small values of "likely". The more likely situation is
that a guy who was already in shock used an expression that had a
different meaning in another discipline with which he was unfamiliar.
Just 'cause the guy said "pulled" doesn't mean he meant someone
dumped their main. He coulda said people were frapping, it wouldn't
make him a skydiver.
> Infact,
> the radio transmisions of the NYCFD personelle who were *on the scene* and
> closest to the site of impact seem to support the conclusion that the fires
> had caused minimal damage to the structure.
And like you, they aren't stuctural engineers and had no idea what
was actually happening. They had been to many fires at those
buildings that didn't cause the building to collapse, including the
original attacks. What they didn't know was what was happening to
the steel on the floors they couldn't, and didn't, reach. It
wasn't suppose to happen by the by. The fire alone probably would
not have collapsed the buildings that fast. The impact didn't cause
it either. The impact blew off the insulation from the steel and
the large amount of fuel caused higher, longer heat exposure than
was anticipated.
You should take a clue from this. Ignorance can be deadly.
Ignorant arrogance even more deadly.
> It sure would be nice to see the data from post cllapse *physical
> tests* of the steel that failed .
Why? What would you hope/expect to see. I see post failure physical
tests all the time. In this case, I can't think of much use for such a
test. The material you would hope to test is damaged and would have
unpredicatable values that wouldn't allow you to correlate it to anything
that happened that day.
> But we won't be seeing any of that , will we ,Mr. O'Connell.
Well, if you pay for it you might.
>
> No, we won't be seeing any post -collapse test results because the physical
> evidence from the largest crime in 100 years was hurriedly loaded on barges,
> sent overseas, and melted down.
That material wouldn't be physical evidence of anything, and you'd know
that if you had half a clue. Oh, and some of it still exists.
Kevin O'Connell
Icarus
I were consitant enuff to nail the big ones considering I didn't start
till my mid 50's, Damn gud thing I had a brain bleed---All the GU
twin/t GIRLYBOYS might haffta be kissing my old country boy ass I'd be
so fricking good in the air 0;)P
Jerry K.
>"SkydiverRick" <Skydiv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<9WIYc.68858$xi6....@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
>> Icarus wrote:
>> > once or twice ain't impressive boy ya need to be consistant even the
>> > biggest flailers luck out once in a while ;->
>>
>> Been reading your logbook Snuff?
>
>I were consitant enuff to nail the big ones considering I didn't start
>till my mid 50's,
Nice little qualification there.
>Damn gud thing I had a brain bleed---All the GU
>twin/t GIRLYBOYS might haffta be kissing my old country boy ass I'd be
>so fricking good in the air 0;)P
Another example of just how completely in la-la-land you've chosen to
live: 1) Why would anyone be kissing someone's ass because of
something so nebulous (and transitory) as air-skill, and 2) Predicting
an alternate future for the present based on a wished upon supposition
which never happened.
...bsrp
...jlk
Icarus
>
> >"bigjim" <big...@the-beach.net> wrote in message news:<10isu9t...@corp.supernews.com>...
> >> <After all that yowling you did about wasted bandwidth? Suffer a lotta
> >> brain locks in the point crunch durning transition do ya
> >> BiggyJim>
> >>
> >> Google up one post where I was yowling or other wise complaining about
> >> bandwidth. You are hallucinating again, fats. It's a sad statement of
> >> affairs around here when there is bullshit more boring than yours. The only
> >> good thing about your latest return is getting to watch Jerry kick you
> >> around like a soccer ball.
> >
> >
> >WHAT? I not a computer geek, Jerr.k showed me how last year but I done
> >forgot
>
> >dive concept.
> >BTW make sure Jerr.k shows up with a creeper that has wheels...Hes led
> >a rather sheltered life, been jumping the video slot since he got his
> >A LIC I rukun,
>
> You reckon wrong but that's nothing new. Did one with a C license and
> >in and taking a grip..
>
> >The boy made a lotta quick jumps
> >but he might as well been doing solo's...
>
> - whatever happened to
> "airtime, airtime, airtime?"
>
BTW that reminds me, you opened hig on the majority of them also.
Recalculate your FF time to the correct tables and burn your old phony
balonga logbooks Dickweed, send back any FF wings you received from
the USPA2000 twats BACK. AH HA -- YA MIGHT BE ABLE TO FOOL THOSE OTHER
YOUNG slack ass's IN THE TEXAS PART OF THE GU but I be a redneck
wizzard & Genus I got yer number Girlyboy ;-P
Jerry K.
High? How high? Does it make a diference if maybe I was getting out
higher than, say, whatever altitude you imagine I was getting out at?
So, answer the question, numbnuts - whatever happened to "airtime,
airtime, airtime?"
>
>Recalculate your FF time to the correct tables and burn your old phony
> balonga logbooks Dickweed,
Heh - bet my logbooks would burn longer, larger, and brighter than
yours.
>send back any FF wings you received from
>the USPA2000 twats BACK.
Who says I ever sent off for any wings? For that matter, who said I
didn't send off for any prior to 2000?
>AH HA -- YA MIGHT BE ABLE TO FOOL THOSE OTHER
>YOUNG slack ass's IN THE TEXAS PART OF THE GU but I be a redneck
>wizzard & Genus I got yer number Girlyboy
Oh dear - whatever will I do? Oh wait, there's always the skydiving
option. Works for me - what are you gonna do? I mean, you don't fool
*anyone* Oh, right - what works for you - false bravado, pretension,
labelling, castigation, and self-aggrandizing as displayed in this
little backwater of the usenet. Can't even do it in the comfort (so
to speak) of your own trailer - you gotta commute to some public
facility to get your rocks off. Give it a rest, Jimmie - either get
thee to a a dz and get a clue or get used to being corrected - as long
as you get it wrong I'll be here shoving your nose into it.
...bsrp
...jlk
Icarus
> On 3 Sep 2004 11:26:11 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
>
> >Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<b6r4j0p8rm8l6atdv...@4ax.com>...
> >> On 27 Aug 2004 09:46:44 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
> >>
>
> >> >dive concept.
> >> >BTW make sure Jerr.k shows up with a creeper that has wheels...Hes led
> >> >a rather sheltered life, been jumping the video slot since he got his
> >> >A LIC I rukun,
> >>
> >> > >ya might have to work with him on the concept of gettin
> >> >in and taking a grip..
> >>
> > ********Only one? I REST MY CASE
> >
> >> >The boy made a lotta quick jumps
> >> >but he might as well been doing solo's...
> >>
> >> - whatever happened to
> >> "airtime, airtime, airtime?"
> >>
> >
> >
> >BTW that reminds me, you opened high on the majority of them also.
>
> High? How high? Does it make a diference if maybe I was getting out
> higher than, say, whatever altitude you imagine I was getting out at?
> So, answer the question, numbnuts - whatever happened to "airtime,
> airtime, airtime?"
>
No need to imagine, you get out at 13/5 like the rest of the sport
world
Too Cheap to pay for extra altitude---this you have shown by
developing a gimmick to have your jumps payed for, your'e a camp
follower ya city bitch
> >
> >Recalculate your FF time to the correct tables and burn your old phony
> > balonga logbooks Dickweed,
>
> Heh - bet my logbooks would burn longer, larger, and brighter than
> yours.
>
> >send back any FF wings you received from
> >the USPA2000 twats BACK.
>
> Who says I ever sent off for any wings?
Attack of concious eh? I figger you artta have around 2000 jumps by
now
And most all of them you've shown as OVER 60 sec FF, while you have
actually been doing less than 50.....lets do some math 60 minus 50 =
10
10 X 2000 = 20,000 sec devided by 60 = 3.3 something hours.
Don't apply for anymore Free Fall Wings skate!!! !!
See this is what happens to lurkers who cain't get in therefore stay
above
the scramble----they think no ones checking up on them.
((((YOUR'E BUSTED))))
heh
> Oh dear - whatever will I do? > ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Take up lawn tennis
Jerry K.
>Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<r8oij0pmah6omdnp7...@4ax.com>...
>> On 3 Sep 2004 11:26:11 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
>>
>> >Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<b6r4j0p8rm8l6atdv...@4ax.com>...
>> >> On 27 Aug 2004 09:46:44 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
>> >>
>>
>> >> >You USPA2000 punks just fall your ass's out on the pad and creeper
>> >> >dive concept.
>> >> >BTW make sure Jerr.k shows up with a creeper that has wheels...Hes led
>> >> >a rather sheltered life, been jumping the video slot since he got his
>> >> >A LIC I rukun,
>> >>
> Did one with a C license and
Nope - wrong again. I never got a C license.
>> >> > >ya might have to work with him on the concept of gettin
>> >> >in and taking a grip..
>> >>
>> > ********Only one? I REST MY CASE
One was all I needed to do at the time. Even though I did a
surprisingly good job, it was clear to me that if I wanted to get
decent and consistant at it, it would be smart to make another few
hundred jumps and get a few more years jumping before I started to do
it on a regular basis - and I had no interest at the time of doing it
on a regular basis. If I wanted to be consistantly decent, that is.
You would bite off more than you could chew and promise more than you
could deliver. You were known for it then as you are still doing so
now.
>> >
>> >> >The boy made a lotta quick jumps
>> >> >but he might as well been doing solo's...
>> >>
>> >> - whatever happened to
>> >> "airtime, airtime, airtime?"
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >BTW that reminds me, you opened high on the majority of them also.
>>
>> High? How high? Does it make a diference if maybe I was getting out
>> higher than, say, whatever altitude you imagine I was getting out at?
>> So, answer the question, numbnuts - whatever happened to "airtime,
>> airtime, airtime?"
>>
>
>No need to imagine, you get out at 13/5 like the rest of the sport
>world
Except when I wasn't exitting at that altitude.
>Too Cheap to pay for extra altitude---this you have shown by
>developing a gimmick to have your jumps payed for, your'e a camp
>follower ya city bitch
Just because I didn't have tits like you to make it happen.
Too cheap to pay for altitude as opposed to too stupid to pay for it
and just making up the difference playing in the basement?
No, it wasn't about jumping higher and higher but solely about the
jumping and yeah, like most people I've taken it low but I'm not proud
of it nor is it, I believe, something worth bragging about.
>
>> >
>> >Recalculate your FF time to the correct tables and burn your old phony
>> > balonga logbooks Dickweed,
>>
>> Heh - bet my logbooks would burn longer, larger, and brighter than
>> yours.
>>
>> >send back any FF wings you received from
>> >the USPA2000 twats BACK.
>>
>
>> Who says I ever sent off for any wings?
>
>Attack of concious eh?
Conscience? Only a dingleberry like you would somehow link sending or
not sending off for self-congratulatory and celebratory cookies as
having anything to do with conscience.
>I figger you artta have around 2000 jumps by
>now
You figure wrong. Around a thousand more than that.
>And most all of them you've shown as OVER 60 sec FF,
Have I? Most of them? Not all or none of them? So when was the last
time you took a gander at my logbook? How do you know I even log? Am
I more prone to log in cursive or print?
>while you have
>actually been doing less than 50.....lets do some math 60 minus 50 =
>10
>
>10 X 2000 = 20,000 sec devided by 60 = 3.3 something hours.
Let's say that I have, by your own imagined estimate, 2000 jumps.
Throw out a random 500 which might have been hop and pops or crew and
we'll call it 1500 jumps. Throw out another 1000 (one thousand) jumps
just for shits and grins and to re-emphasize just what a total,
grasping at straws to somehow one-up some upjumper (on a newsgroup no
less!) you've never met who gives you a hard time for being a
pretentious wannabee dumbfuck, blowhard, and jackass and imagine that
I only have 500 jumps, be they video or rw, where I got out at 13/5
and carried it down to say...let's say even 3/5.
500 jumps falling 10000 feet. Consider maybe five seconds to fall a
thousand feet. Call it 50 seconds a freefall. 50 seconds times 500
comes to 25000 seconds which equates to just under 417 minutes which
comes to just under ***seven hours***.
You are a major-league dumbfuck, aintcha? Can't even do simple
arithmetic, it seems.
Now, keeping in mind that I, in reality, have around 3000 jumps and of
those 3000 perhaps 200 of them involved little to no freefall since
they were hopnpops and/or crew - quite literally there are 2800 jumps
where I freefell down to at least 3/5, most down to around 3 before I
initated opening procedures, and roughly half of those 2800 I was
opening between 2 and 3 but closer to 2.
Nevermind that most bodies fall around a thousand feet in 6.2 seconds
or thereabouts, nevermind the time spent in freefall on the slide,
transistioning to terminal.
No, I don't give a shit about freefall time or even my own jump
numbers - that's for you to give a shit about it seems - as long as
I'm still jumping and learning and digging it.
You? You ain't jumping and you ain't digging it and all you can do
about it is bitch and look for loopholes but you're seemingly
hamstrung, in this case, by a lack of simple arithmetic skills.
>
>Don't apply for anymore Free Fall Wings skate!!! !!
Who says I applied for any in the first place but that said, whether I
have or have not, my logbook tells the tale.
>
>See this is what happens to lurkers who cain't get in therefore stay
>above
>the scramble----they think no ones checking up on them.
You checking up on me? Hardly. You're just playing the baseless
accusation game.
>
> ((((YOUR'E BUSTED))))
Am I? Do tell. As ever, present your evidence instead of merely
wallowing in your own, patented, lameass this and that supposition
tacked onto random accusation.
> heh
>> Oh dear - whatever will I do? > ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>
>Take up lawn tennis
Naw, because then I'd be little better than you - a little whiny bitch
who finds solace in denigration which diverts attention from but never
quite totally obscures his own ***proven*** shortcomings.
...bsrp
...jlk
Icarus
> On 7 Sep 2004 11:10:02 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
>
> >Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<r8oij0pmah6omdnp7...@4ax.com>...
> >> On 3 Sep 2004 11:26:11 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<b6r4j0p8rm8l6atdv...@4ax.com>...
> >> >> On 27 Aug 2004 09:46:44 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
> >> >>
>
> >> >> >You USPA2000 punks just fall your ass's out on the pad and creeper
> >> >> >dive concept.
> >> >> >BTW make sure Jerr.k shows up with a creeper that has wheels...Hes led
> >> >> >a rather sheltered life, been jumping the video slot since he got his
> >> >> >A LIC I rukun,
> >> >>
> > Did one with a C license and
>
> Nope - wrong again. I never got a C license.
>
> >> >> > >ya might have to work with him on the concept of gettin
> >> >> >in and taking a grip..
> >> >>
> >> > ********Only one? I REST MY CASE
>
>
>
> >> >
> >> >> >The boy made a lotta quick jumps (((ON OTHER PEOPLES NICKLE)))
> >> >> >but he might as well been doing solo's...
> >> >>
> >> >> - whatever happened to
> >> >> "airtime, airtime, airtime?"
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >That reminds me, you opened high on the majority of them also.
> >>
> >> High? How high? Does it make a diference if maybe I was getting out
> >> higher than, say, whatever altitude you imagine I was getting out at?
> >> So, answer the question, numbnuts - whatever happened to "airtime,
> >> airtime, airtime?"
> >>
> >
> >No need to imagine, you get out at 13/5 like the rest of the sport
> >world
>
> Except when I wasn't exitting at that altitude.
>
>
> >Too Cheap to pay for extra altitude---this you have shown by
> >developing a gimmick to have your jumps payed for, your'e a camp
> >follower ya city bitch
>
> Just because I didn't have tits like you to make it happen.
They will develope with age SWEETY-be patient ;>
> >> >
> >> >Recalculate your FF time to the correct tables and burn your old phony
> >> > balonga logbooks Dickweed,
> >>
> >> Heh - bet my logbooks would burn longer, larger, and brighter than
> >> yours.
> >>
> >> >send back any FF wings you received from
> >> >the USPA2000 twats BACK.
> >>
>
> >> Who says I ever sent off for any wings?
> >
>
> >I figger you artta have around 2000 jumps by
> >now
>
> You figure wrong. Around a thousand more than that.
>
>
> >while you have
> >actually been doing less than 50.....lets do some math 60 minus 50 =
> >10
> >
> >10 X 2000 = 20,000 sec devided by 60 = 3.3 something hours.
OOPS 3,000? even worse than expected 10 X 3000 = minus 30,000 sec.
Hoowee ya might as well stayed on student status ya long haired AFF
Queen yer going backwards
>
> 500 jumps falling 10000 feet. Consider maybe five seconds to fall a
> thousand feet. Call it 50 seconds a freefall. 50 seconds times 500
> comes to 25000 seconds which equates to just under 417 minutes which
> comes to just under ***seven hours***.
>
The people actually turning points probably fell 10 grand- yer
lurking high
If yer shooting fun jump formations your the throwout key...say you
got
AFF novices in the Formation WHO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE PULLING AT 3/5.
So
you pull at 5/5 or 6....I make that 7500 ft of FF for yer high
pulling ass
girlyboy - OK say your shooting for TM/JM's 5/5 you pull there to
cuz
yer jumping a little overloaded skygoddy zp so ya kin still beat
them to the ground----- RW Team shoots? First 35 sec count so you
pull extra high
like the little city cunt you are. OK I'm cutting you to an Average of
45 sec of FF time....um lets see 3000 X 45 = less and less - fuk boy
you ain't even a real skydiver by early 90's standards ---->Take up
Golf Bitch
> Now, keeping in mind that I, in reality, have around 3000 jumps and of
> those 3000 perhaps 200 of them involved little to no freefall since
> they were hopnpops and/or crew -
Keep on incriminating yerself dilbert
>
> >Don't apply for anymore Free Fall Wings skate!!! !!
>
> Who says I applied for any in the first place but that said, whether I
> have or have not, my logbook tells the tale.
>
AND <send back your D ya scammer>
> >
> > ((((YOUR'E BUSTED))))
>
>
> > heh
> >> Oh dear - whatever will I do? > ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
> >
> >
> >Take up lawn tennis - Golf may be too tough fer yer weak young ass
snigger 0;-P
bigjim
Next the dingleberry will be telling us about all the low pull contests that
he won. Guess those man tits saved his sorry ass. Cushioned his fall when he
sucked it down too far to get any nylon out.
Jerry K.
>Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<ttasj0d585a61sd6n...@4ax.com>...
>> On 7 Sep 2004 11:10:02 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
>>
>> >Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<r8oij0pmah6omdnp7...@4ax.com>...
>> >> On 3 Sep 2004 11:26:11 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<b6r4j0p8rm8l6atdv...@4ax.com>...
>> >> >> On 27 Aug 2004 09:46:44 -0700, kam...@eastex.net (Icarus) wrote:
>> >> >>
>>
>> >> >> >You USPA2000 punks just fall your ass's out on the pad and creeper
>> >> >> >dive concept.
>> >> >> >BTW make sure Jerr.k shows up with a creeper that has wheels...Hes led
>> >> >> >a rather sheltered life, been jumping the video slot since he got his
>> >> >> >A LIC I rukun,
>> >> >>
>> > Did one with a C license and
>>
>> Nope - wrong again. I never got a C license.
>>
> That was a direct quote out of your'e last reply DUMMY ;)
What, now you're resorting to direct quotes? Kinda anal imo. Okay -
I did one with a B license which still denies your suggestion that I
had been jumping vid since my A.
>
>
>> >> >> > >ya might have to work with him on the concept of gettin
>> >> >> >in and taking a grip..
>> >> >>
>> >> > ********Only one? I REST MY CASE
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >
>> >> >> >The boy made a lotta quick jumps (((ON OTHER PEOPLES NICKLE)))
>> >> >> >but he might as well been doing solo's...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - whatever happened to
>> >> >> "airtime, airtime, airtime?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >That reminds me, you opened high on the majority of them also.
>> >>
>> >> High? How high? Does it make a diference if maybe I was getting out
>> >> higher than, say, whatever altitude you imagine I was getting out at?
>> >> So, answer the question, numbnuts - whatever happened to "airtime,
>> >> airtime, airtime?"
>> >>
>> >
>> >No need to imagine, you get out at 13/5 like the rest of the sport
>> >world
>>
>> Except when I wasn't exitting at that altitude.
>>
>>
>> >Too Cheap to pay for extra altitude---this you have shown by
>> >developing a gimmick to have your jumps payed for, your'e a camp
>> >follower ya city bitch
>>
>> Just because I didn't have tits like you to make it happen.
>
>They will develope with age SWEETY-be patient ;>
God save me from your fate - or, if I have to grow tits like yours,
please, God, please - let me at least still be able to learn from my
mistakes - I don't wanna end up like Jimmie!
>> >> >
>> >> >Recalculate your FF time to the correct tables and burn your old phony
>> >> > balonga logbooks Dickweed,
>> >>
>> >> Heh - bet my logbooks would burn longer, larger, and brighter than
>> >> yours.
>> >>
>> >> >send back any FF wings you received from
>> >> >the USPA2000 twats BACK.
>> >>
>>
>> >> Who says I ever sent off for any wings?
>> >
>>
>> >I figger you artta have around 2000 jumps by
>> >now
>>
>> You figure wrong. Around a thousand more than that.
>>
>>
>> >while you have
>> >actually been doing less than 50.....lets do some math 60 minus 50 =
>> >10
>> >
>> >10 X 2000 = 20,000 sec devided by 60 = 3.3 something hours.
>
>OOPS 3,000? even worse than expected 10 X 3000 = minus 30,000 sec.
>Hoowee ya might as well stayed on student status ya long haired AFF
>Queen yer going backwards
I'm not surprised - only a dingleberry like Jimmie would equate having
more jumps with having less time in the air. You shoulda quit while
you were ahead and never started - you might still be in the sport -
so to speak.
>>
>> 500 jumps falling 10000 feet. Consider maybe five seconds to fall a
>> thousand feet. Call it 50 seconds a freefall. 50 seconds times 500
>> comes to 25000 seconds which equates to just under 417 minutes which
>> comes to just under ***seven hours***.
>>
>
> The people actually turning points probably fell 10 grand- yer
>lurking high
Oh, so you're saying I only fell 9,985 feet to their 10000? No
problem - I just fell an additional 15 feet before I pitched out.
> If yer shooting fun jump formations your the throwout key...
Nonsense - there is no set rule shooting funjump formations beyond
whatever rules the vidgeek or the organizer lay down prior to the jump
and as for the vidgeek being the throwout key, what are you, a
dumbass? In most, if not almost entirely all cases, the jumpers are
all not peering at the vidgeek waiting for the signal for them to
throwout - most of them usually rely on some sort of pre-determined
altitude expressed and agreed prior to the jump and realized via their
altimeters and visual take on their proximity to the ground.
>say you
>got
> AFF novices in the Formation WHO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE PULLING AT 3/5.
>So
> you pull at 5/5 or 6....
If they gotta problem pulling at 3/5 and want to pull higher, no
problem - as long as I know about it beforehand so I can watch for
their track. As for me pulling at 5/5 or 6 because of someone
tracking off higher than 3/5, while that scenario could occur, that
scenario is, 1) unlikely except for perhaps in your imagination and
such a "say you..." is just a supposition and hardly representitive of
the greater portion of the skydives I have made so that argument is
beside the point (and stupid, I might add), 2 ain't you ever been on a
big formation where the outer parts track off at a certain altitude
while the base holds to a lower altitude and the vidgeek pulls as the
base tracks off, and 3) ain't you ever been on a formation where a
jumper pulls out of center? I've been in them and have shot 'em -
just matter of knowing who, when, where, planning for it, and staying
out of the way.
> make that 7500 ft of FF for yer high
>pulling ass
No, in most cases if I'm flying a camera, 4way, I'm initiating between
3 and 3/5, 8way 3/5 and 4, bigger than that - depends on what the
organizer wants to see, smaller than that - depends on what I want to
see.
> girlyboy - OK say your shooting for TM/JM's 5/5 you pull there to
Ah, another "say you..." Supposition does not an argument make,
dumbass. As for tandems and aff pulling at 5/5 and me pulling there,
too - no - not written in stone by any means. Depends on the spot,
the light, who'll I'll be in the air with if I want to get some
freefall or canopy geek vid, and it also depends on what I'm throwing
into the vid. I mean, in almost all student vids (spot permitting),
as they open I'll roll onto my head and look up past my feet while
their canopy is opening and wave because it looks nice on the video -
especially on AFF where I can get the jm's tracking off.
>cuz
> yer jumping a little overloaded skygoddy zp so ya kin still beat
>them to the ground-----
Oh really? So what sort of little overloaded skygoddy zp <i.e -
politically incorrect freefall survival device> do I jump? How loaded
is it? I will say this about it - it is loaded exactly in the middle
of what the manufacturer suggests that canopy of that size and cut
should be loaded at.
>RW Team shoots? First 35 sec count so you
>pull extra high
>like the little city cunt you are.
Does aol know you use such filthy language? Dropping the c-bomb like
that, fart-knocker? Gee - think I bothering someone yet? Rw teams
(4way because 8way is a 50 second working time - as another example of
your lack of understanding as to what you are talking about...but
that's by the by) no matter the working time, they would be turning
points and I would be in my slot (hopefully) turning with them until
breakoff and breakoff doesn't happen at the magic 35 (or 50) second
mark usually unless there's a low ceiling high enough to get in the 35
(or 50) but too low to turn any after. Breakoff is breakoff and just
because some set time has gone by doesn't change a thing - smart
skydivers keep track of their altitude - dumbass you? Oh yeah- after
35 seconds the video guys is pulling and signalling the rest of the
group when to track. This isn't really anything secret or special or
new but dumbass you? You really should know what the hell you're
talking about before you try to talk about it. Unless you just enjoy
getting ridiculed, that is. You must really enjoy getting ridiculed.
>OK I'm cutting you to an Average of
>45 sec of FF time....um lets see 3000 X 45 = less and less - fuk boy
>you ain't even a real skydiver by early 90's standards ---->Take up
>Golf Bitch
Hmmm....3000 jumps, 45 seconds each...135000 seconds...2350
minutes...37 hours plus change...which isn't a lot, I admit, but you
had me down to under three and half hours a short post or two ago
where I argued that, even if you threw out around half of my jumps,
with the proper arithmetic I had at least twice what you were figuring
and now you've bumped me up another 30 hours (or about ten times the
amount of freefall time you tried real hard to not survive)? I got a
better idea - maybe I'll take up driving wannabe's who never were to
the public library so they can more easily get their internet-fix.
Probably have to get a lift installed in the van and line the damn
thing with newspapers and air-fresheners...oh yeah - hazardous cargo
permit, too - but it'll be worth it since for every stupid anecdote
such cargo would prattle on about concerning whatever sport he somehow
got the impression he was a part of - I could regale him with ten
times the number (well, maybe just in skydiving but you gotta start
somewhere) ...and back it all up. Maybe he'd learn to not dump his
wine-coolers on his keyboard anymore and understand that while
thunderstorms have the potential to zap computers, there are ways to
lessen this prospect of getting zapped.
>
>
>> Now, keeping in mind that I, in reality, have around 3000 jumps and of
>> those 3000 perhaps 200 of them involved little to no freefall since
>> they were hopnpops and/or crew -
>
>Keep on incriminating yerself dilbert
Dilbert? Must be one of those gay terms - not that there's anything
wrong with that. I'm just ignorant about the lifestyle and the
dialect. Be that as it may - how many hop n'pops and crew you ever
do? Surely not more than half of the (comparatively) small number of
jumps you ever made before your own arrogance and incompetence caught
up with you and ejected you from the sport like a watermelon seed shot
from between thumb and forefinger?
> >
>> >Don't apply for anymore Free Fall Wings skate!!! !!
>>
>> Who says I applied for any in the first place but that said, whether I
>> have or have not, my logbook tells the tale.
>>
> AND <send back your D ya scammer>
Why on earth for? I did the jumps, flew the requirements, and took
the tests. Not only that - I continued to make an effort to listen,
learn, and grow as opposed to you sitting back with a d license,
pretending to know something, and stewing because people were still
giving you shit whenever you fucked up. Maybe you should send back
your own d since you most certainly proved yourself as absolutely what
a "master-skydiver" is NOT. Tell you what - the moment I pull low
and in the midst of a bunch of canopies, the moment I ignore exit
seperation and fly under some formation I wasn't invited on, the
moment I track vertically away from an rw formation, the moment I take
up sitflying because no one will do rw with me, the moment I try to
get my ass on a bigway by pretending I know how to organize one, the
moment I start endorsing toggle-hooks as an effective method of
hook-turning, the moment I start pretending I'm anything more than
what I actually am, and -you guessed it- the moment I let my canopy
fly me and my face into tarmac and into the hospital on the way out of
the sport and into oblivion, - it'll be in the mail (knock wood).
>
>
>> >
>> > ((((YOUR'E BUSTED))))
>>
>>
>> > heh
>> >> Oh dear - whatever will I do? > ...bsrp
>> >> ...jlk
>> >
>> >
>> >Take up lawn tennis - Golf may be too tough fer yer weak young ass
> snigger
Got a golf-course right next door - c'mon out - I'll bet you a case of
beer and a bottle of Jack I'd whip your ass at 9 holes - and I've
never even played golf beyond wacking a few buckets of balls around -
I'll even let you hit from the ladies tee so you'll feel more at home
and it'll be more fair. C'mon, Jimmie - put up or shut up.
<I predict that neither will occur - but I'll bet the first person who
takes me up on the bet a case of beer and a bottle of Jack on the
truth of this prediction - he won't put up and he won't shut up.>
C'mon Jimmie - stop jerking around at the public library and make it
happen.
...bsrp
...jlk
Icarus
#1. Ya must have me mixed up with the USPA2000 crowd who pack snivels
on purpose
#2. No contest involved, it fell under (shit happens) And the S&TA
frowns on it, My altimeter was in a burble and the other excuses don't
fly if ya open right over his head at 800 ft. The falcon cracks out a
hell of a boom at that altitude ohm ohm ohm
LAST BUT NOT LEAST----YOU FIND TWO CREEPERS YET BOY? 0;->
Icarus
> >> >> >> >You USPA2000 punks just fall your ass's out on the pad and creeper
> >> >> >> >dive concept.
> >> >> >>
>
>
> >
> >
> >> >> >> > >ya might have to work with him on the concept of gettin
> >> >> >> >in and taking a grip..
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >but he might as well been doing solo's...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> - whatever happened to
> >> >> >> "airtime, airtime, airtime?"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> High? How high? Does it make a diference if maybe I was getting out
> >> >> higher than, say, whatever altitude you imagine I was getting out at?
> >> >> So, answer the question, numbnuts - whatever happened to "airtime,
> >> >> airtime, airtime?"
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >No need to imagine, you get out at 13/5 like the rest of the sport
> >> >world
> >>
> >> Except when I wasn't exitting at that altitude.
> >>
> >>
> >> >Too Cheap to pay for extra altitude---this you have shown by
> >> >developing a gimmick to have your jumps payed for, your'e a camp
> >>
> >> Just because I didn't have tits like you to make it happen.
> >
> >They will develope with age SWEETY-be patient ;>
>
> God save me from your fate - or, if I have to grow tits like yours,
> please, God, please - let me at least still be able to learn from my
> mistakes - I don't wanna end up like Jimmie!
>
>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Recalculate your FF time to the correct tables and burn your old phony
> >> >> > balonga logbooks Dickweed,
> >> >>
> >> >> Heh - bet my logbooks would burn longer, larger, and brighter than
> >> >> yours.
> >> >>
CUZ YA GOT MORE BULLSHIT IN THEM
also
> >> >> >send back any FF wings you received from
> >> >> >the USPA2000 twats BACK.
> >> >>
>
> >> >> Who says I ever sent off for any wings?
> >> >
> Good ya didn't deserve them, while yer at it send your D lic. >>> back A high opening hack shouldn't have one
> I'm not surprised - only a dingleberry like Jimmie would equate having
> more jumps with having less time in the air. You shoulda quit while
> you were ahead and never started - you might still be in the sport -
> so to speak.
>
It was my destiny, besides like most fun jumpers I was hooked---Wudda
had the CVA stroke anyway----too many Bacon Cheezeburgers in a
lifetime tends to cause certain outcomes
>
> >>
> >> 500 jumps falling 10000 feet. Consider maybe five seconds to fall a
> >> thousand feet. Call it 50 seconds a freefall. 50 seconds times 500
> >> comes to 25000 seconds which equates to just under 417 minutes which
> >> comes to just under ***seven hours***.
> >>
> >
> > The people actually turning points probably fell 10 grand- yer
> >lurking high
>
> Oh, so you're saying I only fell 9,985 feet to their 10000? No
> problem - I just fell an additional 15 feet before I pitched out.
>
>
No I'm saying you opened as high as possible cuz yer a booty wearing
AFF cunt
> > SO IN THOSE PARTICULAR SCENEROS YOU ARE LIEING ABOUT make that 7500 ft of >>FF for yer high pulling ass
>
> No, in most cases if I'm flying a camera, 4way, I'm initiating between
> 3 and 3/5, 8way 3/5 and 4, bigger than that
>>you pull extra high
> >like the little city cunt you are.
>
> Does aol know you use such filthy language? Dropping the c-bomb like
> that, fart-knocker?
It don't matter, I'm fixing to drop them anyway----They have got to
modern
Besides
A Skydiver investigator needs to be more anon.
>
>
>
> > >
> >> >Don't apply for anymore Free Fall Wings skate!!! !!
> >>
> >> Who says I applied for any in the first place but that said, whether I
> >> have or have not, my logbook tells the tale.
****Yup a fairy tale heh***
>
>
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > ((((YOUR'E BUSTED))))
> >>
> >>
> >> > heh
> >> >> Oh dear - whatever will I do? > ...bsrp
> >> >> ...jlk
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Take up lawn tennis - Golf may be too tough fer yer weak young ass
> > snigger
>
>
> C'mon Jimmie - stop jerking around at the public library and make it
> happen.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
I've got a new computer coming in---look for me to drop AOL and fade
into the
wreck flock as a total stranger....I'll still be investigating you
USPA2000 skygods though cuz thats what I do -staighten wippersnappers
out ;-*
Jerry K.
So you say but then - you don't even know if I log, much less having
ever seen my logbook. Keeping all that in mind, I'd say there's more
bullshit as represented by just your D license than anywhere else.
>> >> >> >send back any FF wings you received from
>> >> >> >the USPA2000 twats BACK.
>> >> >>
>>
>> >> >> Who says I ever sent off for any wings?
>> >> >
>> Good ya didn't deserve them, while yer at it send your D lic. >>> back A high opening hack shouldn't have one
No, I made the dives and accrued the time so, by this reckoning - the
ones that matter, I certainly do because, you see, unlike you - I was
able to do what it takes to *earn* them.
>
>
>> I'm not surprised - only a dingleberry like Jimmie would equate having
>> more jumps with having less time in the air. You shoulda quit while
>> you were ahead and never started - you might still be in the sport -
>> so to speak.
>>
>
>It was my destiny, besides like most fun jumpers I was hooked---Wudda
>had the CVA stroke anyway----too many Bacon Cheezeburgers in a
>lifetime tends to cause certain outcomes
Nevermind that you still managed to jump post the CVA and it was not
the CVA but your unwillingness to do what it took to prepare for the
jump and do it right - pretty much the equivalent of some moron who
turns low without the benefit of practicing up high altitude.
>>
>> >>
>> >> 500 jumps falling 10000 feet. Consider maybe five seconds to fall a
>> >> thousand feet. Call it 50 seconds a freefall. 50 seconds times 500
>> >> comes to 25000 seconds which equates to just under 417 minutes which
>> >> comes to just under ***seven hours***.
>> >>
>> >
>> > The people actually turning points probably fell 10 grand- yer
>> >lurking high
>>
>> Oh, so you're saying I only fell 9,985 feet to their 10000? No
>> problem - I just fell an additional 15 feet before I pitched out.
>>
>>
>
>No I'm saying you opened as high as possible cuz yer a booty wearing
>AFF cunt
No, if I opened as high as possible then that would be right out the
door. Where I've opened, with cameras or not, was pretty much on the
level of where I planned to open - usually between 2 and 4. Then
there's you - who, for example, opened low and in the midst of already
opened canopies because you were then unaware, not heads up, and
justas you are now - complete dingleberry.
>
>
>> > SO IN THOSE PARTICULAR SCENEROS YOU ARE LIEING ABOUT make that 7500 ft of >>FF for yer high pulling ass
Let's see - 7500 feet at 6.2 seconds/1000 feet comes to roughly 46.5
seconds of freefall/dive which if you multiply by 3000 comes to 139500
seconds of freefall which equates to around 38 hours and change.
Nevermind that in most cases I was frefalling 10-12 thousand feet but
that's beside the point - the point being that, thus far, all the
little suggestions and suppositions you've thrown out in a really
pathetic attempt to make yourself feel better about yourself, while
perhaps successfull in that regard, still do not deny the fact that
while I certainly do not have what I would consider a lot of jumps nor
a great amount of experience, I do have a whole shitload more jumps
and experience than you were ever capable of. Tough tittie.
Now, if the particular scenarious you suggest I am lieing about are
the camera ones, let's see - shot crew or a sunset - opened out the
door, shot 4way - between 2 and 4, 8way - 2 and 4, bigger than that 2
and 5, students - 2 and 6.
>>
>> No, in most cases if I'm flying a camera, 4way, I'm initiating between
>> 3 and 3/5, 8way 3/5 and 4, bigger than that
>
>
>
>
>>>you pull extra high
>> >like the little city cunt you are.
>>
>> Does aol know you use such filthy language? Dropping the c-bomb like
>> that, fart-knocker?
>
>It don't matter, I'm fixing to drop them anyway----They have got to
>modern
That's pretty funny (asinine, too) - whining about modernity on a
computer.
> Besides
>A Skydiver investigator needs to be more anon.
Perhaps, but you're not a skydiver. A *skydiving* Skydiver
investigater might know what the fuck he's investigating, nevermind
knowing what he's talking about. Who do you have in mind for the job?
>>
>>
>>
>> > >
>> >> >Don't apply for anymore Free Fall Wings skate!!! !!
>> >>
>> >> Who says I applied for any in the first place but that said, whether I
>> >> have or have not, my logbook tells the tale.
>
>
> ****Yup a fairy tale heh***
Naw, just a pretty standard list of dives, consecutively noting which
jump number it was, what I was jumping, where I was jumping, what I
was jumping from, where I got out, where I opened, time in freefall,
nature of the opening, what I was doing on the dive, whop who was on
the dive, and what happened on the dive plus, maybe on the first 50
jumps or so - whether I stood it up or not - guessing you didn't have
much in the way of choices about what you wrote concerning that.
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ((((YOUR'E BUSTED))))
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > heh
>> >> >> Oh dear - whatever will I do? > ...bsrp
>> >> >> ...jlk
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Take up lawn tennis - Golf may be too tough fer yer weak young ass
>> > snigger
>>
>>
>> C'mon Jimmie - stop jerking around at the public library and make it
>> happen.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>
>I've got a new computer coming in---look for me to drop AOL and fade
>into the
>wreck flock as a total stranger....
So, you're not taking up the challenge, eh? Pussy.
Make sure you get some surge protection and try to have the discipline
to limit your internet activity when there's a thunderstorm in the
area and you might be all right, dropped Zimas, notwithstanding. As
for fading - heh - just like in real life, your stink will announce
your presence and as soon as your open your mouth, like the sharp,
stabbing discomfort of an intestinal bug, it will be clear that you
have returned - just like dysentery.
>I'll still be investigating you
>USPA2000 skygods though cuz thats what I do -staighten wippersnappers
>out ;-*
Seems to me you might more effective in your ~investigations~ (snerk)
if you took it to a dz where the action is. But, no - can't have that
- your investigations are, by their very nature, predetermined and
facts and reality would just get in the way. You only investigate in
order to support an alreay determined conclusion and I say you do it
not so much to "staighten wippersnappers out" but so you can feel
better about yourself and pretend that your own dumb decisions had no
bearing towards your own dumb situation. Dingleberry.
...bsrp
...jlk
bigjim
> on purpose
I don't have you mixed up with anyone who packs anything. At least any sort
of a parachute. You may be involved in some other types of packing.
> LAST BUT NOT LEAST----YOU FIND TWO CREEPERS YET BOY? 0;->
Unless you are actually babbling about creeps, in reference to yourself, I'm
a FF'er. Since its' been eons since you have been to a DZ, you probably
don't know we do our dirt dives standing up. ( go ahead and wail all you
want about free flying )
Somebody do the ng a favor and take away Snuffy's library card.