Weight question?
Jason Jackson
dive either in a tandom or assisted freefall?
Tom B
"Jason Jackson" <JJACK...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> being that I am almost 250lbs I curious if there is any way that I can sky
> dive either in a tandom or assisted freefall?
Shop around. You will find that some DZ's have grear appropiate for heavier
guys. 250 is not really that far outside "normal" sizes If you have
appropiate gear, and choose the right days to jump, i.e. not a 110 degree,
humid, no wind day from hell, it can work out just fine. Make damn sure
whereever you go, that in addition to a main canopy sized appropiately, that
the reserve is as well. Just like there are many sizes of people, there are
different sizes of gear. I am certanly not a big guy at 165 pounds, and I
have a lot of jumps with a guy that comes in over 300. Shop around and you
will find a DZ that can support you. Call them or email the DZ's near you.
Be open and honest when they ask your height and weight. I assume you are
male. I have seen heavy women jump successfully, but from my perspective it
is more problimatic than for males. Individuals vary, but the averge woman
does not have bone structure that will carry 250 pounds through an oh shit
landing. Some guys don't either.
Tom Birdwell
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>dive either in a tandom or assisted >freefall?
depends on,
#1 your physical shape and age
#2 the dz and its policy
A decade or so ago many Cessna dz's had Man o war mains, R4 reserves or
R4/R4 setups to be within the TSO's plus wopping containers around for big boys
who mostly went S/L. Its the landings that fuk yew up at that size, takes a
while to find your correct flare point which can vary from day to day sweet
point wise depending on weather things like temp, humidity, wind and canopy
perosity etc...
I started at 225 and 54 years old but had prior hardship training along with
mind & pain control training...retired at a 268 pound exit weight jumping 111
material one to one...Ground rush & vision problems may cause you some flaring
problems also...dunno I never got ground rush....Most DZ's have a weight cut
off on Tandems with a premium being paid for anything over 220 pounds..Put
Skydive, USPA, IPC or some skydiving web ring into your search engine and
check out the world dz's list. its http's leading to their individual web pages
are there and weight requirements are generally posted dz by dz...Find one in
your area------250 pounds? I dunno maybe
football would be a better sport for you.
Anyway........GOOD LUCK ;)P
~All living holds suffering
Misery stops when greed stops~
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>guy that comes in over 300
>
Always knew you were a banty ass Tom
What I cain't figger is how Jim floats up at that weight! Bwooohahahahaha shit
too funny ;->
Noelle Nagle
"Jason Jackson" <JJACK...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> dive either in a tandom or assisted freefall?
>
Just a suggestion. While you may find a dropzone that will take you on AFF
or tandem at your current weight, you will lessen the risk of injury
substantially if you delay until you lose some weight. This is not intended
to be personal and is only based on what i have heard,( any experts out
there who can confirm or deny this?) but the heavier you are the faster the
canopy you are flying will land and so increase the risk of injury.
Dropping your weight by 20 ilbs could save you a nasty broken dislocated
ankle.
While i completely understand the impatience to jump once the decison has
been made, Skydiving is a journey into patience anyway as you can never
control the weather.
If you start jumping fulltime you will be accustomed to making decisions for
yourself in relation to your own safety, and that of others. The question
should not be "Can i find someone to take me at my current weight" but
"should i jump at my current weight and accept all consequences that result
from this action - or decrease my risk by losing some weight."
Just trying to give you another perspective. Whatever you decide good luck,
and be safe.
Noelle
>
JimBo
>From: "Noelle Nagle" neon...@yahoo.com
>Just a suggestion. While you may find a dropzone that will take you on AFF
>or tandem at your current weight, you will lessen the risk of injury
>substantially if you delay until you lose some weight.
> but the heavier you are
>Dropping your weight by 20 ilbs could save you
>decrease my risk by losing some weight."
So....Noelle......dont like the fatboys huh ?
Jim D-10154
funjumper and hoe.
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
MO SKYPIGS
>dive either in a tandom or assisted freefall?
Weight limitations exist for a reason, Heavy objects arrive at the earth with a
higher rate of speed, bones break easier at a higher rate of speed, reaction
time is minimized at a higher rate of speed, equipment is more likely to fail
at a higher rate of speed, the amount of load your body will support is lowered
at a higher rate of speed.
Sure no problem! just find a DZ that has decided to over rule the laws of
gravity! There are many of them out there!
Tom Dolphin, D-6919
skydiving rec
JimBo
>From: mosk...@aol.com (MO SKYPIGS)
>Weight limitations exist for a reason, Heavy objects arrive at the earth with
>a
>higher rate of speed, bones break easier at a higher rate of speed, reaction
>time is minimized at a higher rate of speed, equipment is more likely to fail
>at a higher rate of speed, the amount of load your body will support is
>lowered
>at a higher rate of speed.
>Sure no problem! just find a DZ that has decided to over rule the laws of
>gravity! There are many of them out there!
>
>Tom Dolphin, D-6919
>skydiving rec
>
Tom...thats all true...surely, prior to my first jump, I would have
reconsidered if a DZO had tried to talk me out of it.
At the time I was playing semi-pro football, weighing in at 235.....great
shape.
Its been two decades.....i'm glad we didnt meet up then. I've had a pretty
good time.
Dont paint everyone with the same brush.
Anonymous troublemaker
>>gravity! There are many of them out there!
>>Tom Dolphin, D-6919
>>skydiving rec
;) well spoken, their out there...try skydive orange they like to blame novices
for bleeding on their grass.
>Tom...thats all true...surely, prior to my >first jump, I would have
>reconsidered if a DZO had tried to talk >me out of it.
>At the time I was playing semi-pro >football, weighing in at 235
>Its been two decades.
>Jim D-10154
>funjumper and hoe.
PAINT JIM FAT!! !! YOWEEHAHAHAHA
~don coyote~
Sheep Agent
Rattling the uspa gods expectations
JimBo
>From: afan...@aol.com
>PAINT JIM FAT!! !! YOWEEHAHAHAHA
>~don coyote~
>Sheep Agent
>Rattling the uspa gods expectations
dont mean nuthin old man.....i'm still jumping every weekend whereas you live
your life here.
Lodi this coming weekend. :o)
Jim D-10154
funjumper and hoe.
bigjim
some really broad generalizations here. Where is the professor when we need
him?
Anonymous troublemaker
>>~don coyote~
>>Sheep Agent
>>Rattling the uspa gods expectations
>
>dont mean nuthin old man.....i'm still jumping every weekend whereas you live
>your life here.
>Lodi this coming weekend. :o)
>
>Jim D-10154
>funjumper and hoe.
tell Mike I send my love. ;-*
Jerry K.
troublemaker) wrote:
>>Sure no problem! just find a DZ that has >decided to over rule the laws of
>>>gravity! There are many of them out there!
>>>Tom Dolphin, D-6919
>>>skydiving rec
>
>;) well spoken, their out there...try skydive orange they like to blame novices
>for bleeding on their grass.
While a person with 100 jumps is not what I would call experienced,
they are certainly not what I would call a novice.
...bsrp
...jlk
Anonymous troublemaker
>>>>Tom Dolphin, D-6919
>>well spoken, their out there...try skydive >>orange they like to blame
novices
>>for bleeding on their grass.
>While a person with 100 jumps is not >what I would call experienced,
>they are certainly not what I would call a >novice.
the old rule of thumb was anything below a D prolly cuddn't rub two points
together
consistantly and prolly landed like they took grips...head first, therefore
were considered to be in the novice class ;)P
Jerry K.
troublemaker) wrote:
>>There are many of them out there!
>>>>>Tom Dolphin, D-6919
>
>>>well spoken, their out there...try skydive >>orange they like to blame
>novices
>>>for bleeding on their grass.
>
>>While a person with 100 jumps is not >what I would call experienced,
>>they are certainly not what I would call a >novice.
>
>the old rule of thumb was anything below a D prolly cuddn't rub two points
>together
>consistantly and prolly landed like they took grips...head first, therefore
>were considered to be in the novice class
So, there was a magic transformation between jumps 199 and 200,
between passing or failing the written test, between the application
being sent out and the license arriving in the mail? Utter rhetorical
bullshit.
...bsrp
...jlk
Anonymous troublemaker
>>together
>>consistantly and prolly landed like they took grips...head first, therefore
>>were considered to be in the novice class
>
>So, there was a magic transformation between jumps 199 and 200,
>between passing or failing the written test, between the application
>being sent out and the license arriving in the mail? Utter rhetorical
>bullshit.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
>
all...geeze what a idiot ;)P
Jerry K.
troublemaker) wrote:
>>the old rule of thumb was anything below a D prolly cuddn't rub two points
>>>together
>>>consistantly and prolly landed like they took grips...head first, therefore
>>>were considered to be in the novice class
>>
>>So, there was a magic transformation between jumps 199 and 200,
>>between passing or failing the written test, between the application
>>being sent out and the license arriving in the mail? Utter rhetorical
>>bullshit.
>>
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>>
>>
>Nah. generally the transition came between 175 to 200 if it was gonna come at
>all...geeze what a idiot ;)P
>
>
Hell, you're the one who suggested that anyone under a D was
considered a novice. But then, I'm not the one who finds nobility in
toggle hooks or screams about people dumping on others when it's only
facts, not judgements being laid out.
But then, I never thought I could get away with stupid shit, assuming
everything would work out and be all right, and in the end was proven
entirely wrong.
Nope, not me.
...bsrp
...jlk
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>But then, I never thought I could get away with stupid shit, assuming
>everything would work out and be all right, and in the end was proven
>entirely wrong.
>
>Nope, not me.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
>
yes you do lack poise and grace...maybe a stint at the Eastex Coyote Finishing
School for white trash and city idiots wud do you some good too huh huh huh
watta yew think? ;-^
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>geeze what a young idiot ;)P
>
>
>>But then, I never thought I could get away with stupid shit, assuming
>>everything would work out and be all right, and in the end was proven
>>entirely wrong.
>>
>>Nope, not me.
>>
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>>
>>
>yes you do lack poise and grace...maybe a stint at the Eastex Coyote Finishing
>School for white trash and city idiots wud do you some good too huh huh huh
>watta yew think? ;-^
>
I think here we have further confirmation that you are not Snuffie
Smith but Mary Worth.
...bsrp
...jlk
MO SKYPIGS
>some really broad generalizations here. Where is the professor when we need
>him?
Professor? No I'am not, but I do have 26 years of experience in playing this
game, and I will advise you from my experience and what I have witnessed in
those 26 years.
I have been GRO (ground radio operator) at my DZ for 14 years, do I see the 110
lb girls brake bones when they land poorly? NO! Do I see the 185 lb heros brake
bones when they land poorly? NO! Do I see the 220 lb loading dock workers brake
bones when thay land poorly? Yes some times, not always but some times, the
risk is far greater, and as the weight rises the accidents occur more often.
As a Master Parachute Rigger I repair and maintain equipment on nearly a daily
basis, what equipment do I see fail, or wear out in the shortest time? The
equipment used by the jumpers at the big end of the weight scale.
Most equipment is TSO'ed to 254 max weight (this includes the weight of the
gear and all assorted clothing. So lets do a little common logic comparison!
If you purchase a 1/2 ton pickup truck and drive it over the same stretch of
highway at the same speed every day, with it empty (no load) at the end of 100K
miles it should still be in reasonable shape? Do we agree?
If you take this same pickup and drive it over the same stretch of highway at a
higher speed (remember you are power by gravity and the gravity rule says that
you "must" go faster) with the bed loaded to the max of 1/2 ton will you still
be driving it at 100K miles? Maybe? but if so what condition will it be in?
Would your risks of operation be greater in this truck at gross weight and at
higher speeds?
Now let talk about the stopping rule of this same truck! Which one will stop in
the shortest distance, with the greatest ease of control? Please don't
disappoint me and say the one going faster at maximum weight!
Don't get me wrong I'am not saying that you should not pursue the sport, please
do! But I'm saying be advised of the limitation and risks that you will face
from your weight.
There are many sports on the face of the earth where size and weight are to
your advantage, unfortunately skydiving is not one of them, now the advantage
is on the side of the smaller person. And there are DZs who don't understand
these rules, or just don't care to recognize them, but you should!
I hope you find a location that will provide you with equipment and training
that supports you adventure in skydiving, just please do it safely.
MO SKYPIGS
>Tom...thats all true...surely, prior to my first jump, I would have
>reconsidered if a DZO had tried to talk me out of it.
>At the time I was playing semi-pro football, weighing in at 235.....great
>shape.
>Its been two decades.....i'm glad we didnt meet up then. I've had a pretty
>good time.
>Dont paint everyone with the same brush.
Jim, I didn't mean to get your fur up! I guess I'm being the DZO that didn't
talk to you back then, Not trying to tell him to stay away, just a little info
to chew on as he searches for a DZ that has equipment to train him. I wish him
the best of luck! and hope he does well in the sport.
And anyway when I met you with the Elvi you said you had put on the weight to
play the part better! Were you putting me on??? and all of this time I though
you were really a 185 lb SkyGod!!!
Damn! first the Bush Administration lets me down, now my super hero Jimbo,
guess I'll go drown my sorrow with a beer!
Rhonda Lea Kirk
If you call The Uninsured Relative Workshop in DeLand,
Florida, they can probably give you the names of dropzones
who have modified gear for bigger students who want to do
AFF.
If you are near DeLand, you might want to call or go out to
the dropzone (386-738-3539) and talk to the DZO about a
tandem or AFF. You are not within their weigh limits for
tandem, but you are within the limits of the gear for both
tandem and AFF (they have a modified AFF rig), and
exceptions can be made if you're in good shape. Also, when
you call RWS, you might be able to make arrangements for
someone there to do a tandem with you.
Most dropzones limit tandem students to about 220-225
pounds, but exceptions are certainly made at many dzs for
someone who is in good physical condition.
Check www.uspa.org for a list of dropzones. Also, check your
phone book. Affiliation with USPA is not an indicator of a
dropzone's safety record or quality.Call around and ask
questions. Also ask this question at the message boards at
www.dropzone.com.
rl
JimBo
>From: mosk...@aol.com (MO SKYPIGS)
>And anyway when I met you with the Elvi you said you had put on the weight to
>play the part better! Were you putting me on??? and all of this time I though
>you were really a 185 lb SkyGod!!!
185 lbs ? hahahahahahaha
Maybe when I was 16 years old.
:o)
Jim D-10154
funjumper and hoe.
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>>reconsidered if a DZO had tried to talk >>me out of it. At the time I was
>Jim fun jumper and hoe.
I've grown quite artistic in my old age kid
Thinking of putting an abstract statue of you up in the flower bed surrounding
my satalite dish. Need to know how tall you are Amigo Shall I just put a flap
hat on a bowling ball or plant a fireplug? decisions/decisions the life of an
artist o~;)P
bigjim
skydiving has to have a more than good understanding of the game. I was
hoping Professor Kallend would ring in and give the guy who originally asked
the question one of his famous lectures.
Gravity rules but in skydiving aerodynamics play a big role. When we talk
about weight it's more than the size of the guy under the canopy, the size
of the canopy plays a big part in the speed of the descent. Likewise in
freefall a guy that's 6'6"" 225lbs. is probably going to fall slower than a
guy 5'8'' 225 pounds other factors being equal. It's not only about the
load it's about the wing too.
You and I both hope this dude ends up in the right place with the right gear
and learns to fly like one of your 110 lb. girls.
MO SKYPIGS
>Didn't mean to slight your experience Tom, anyone who makes it 26 years in
>skydiving has to have a more than good understanding of the game. I was
>hoping Professor Kallend would ring in and give the guy who originally asked
>the question one of his famous lectures.
>
>Gravity rules but in skydiving aerodynamics play a big role. When we talk
>about weight it's more than the size of the guy under the canopy, the size
>of the canopy plays a big part in the speed of the descent. Likewise in
>freefall a guy that's 6'6"" 225lbs. is probably going to fall slower than a
>guy 5'8'' 225 pounds other factors being equal. It's not only about the
>load it's about the wing too.
I agree, you can use jump suit size and material type to control the fall rate,
etc. Also gear can be purchased that allows for a larger person to fly the
canopy at a respectable decent rate, but the problem has been shown to be
failure of conpotents ( lines, Canopies, risers, etc.). Again I wish him the
best of luck, and approach with some concern and caution and he should be fine.
But the point is that the high speed dirt on landing will always get it's due.
Tom Dolphin, D6919
skydiving rec
Anonymous troublemaker
>Tom, anyone who makes it 26 years in
>>skydiving has to have a more than >good understanding of the game
>>freefall a guy that's 6'6"" 225lbs. is >probably going to fall slower than a
5'1" 210 lbs, well that explains why Jimbo
floated up on him...HOT DAMN the loads must be gitting off later & later since
I retired...Noon o five and the 4 digit people havn't left for the dz cuz their
still discussing technical aspects of fattys in freefall! ^^;->
w. coyote esq.
Most excellent
Philosopher