Fear
ja...@james.james
I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down? Will
it become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and
alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better? Like Big
Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
but it really is bad for me going up.
Tell It Like It Is
> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
Fear is a normal part of learning to skydive, so don't be ashamed. The
fear of flying will stay with you until you can learn to replace it
with something else.
One technique in use around the DZ here in Tennessee that I learned in
Thailand has yielded very good results. Before you don your gear, go
into the bathroom and smear a handful of habaero chili sauce on your
scrotum. This will take your mind completely off your fear of flying,
and you'll be so eager to get to altitude, exit, land and get back in
the bathroom to rinse it off that you'll never even think about your
fear anymore, because it will be replaced with a fear of going to the
bathroom.
Next thing you know, you won't be able to wait getting into the
airplane just to avoid the bathroom trip.
James
<dfe...@aol.con> wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:59:46 +0200, ja...@james.james wrote:
>
>> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
>> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
>> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
>> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
>Fear is a normal part of learning to skydive, so don't be ashamed. The
>fear of flying will stay with you until you can learn to replace it
>with something else.
Thank you for the advice, but uhm... do you perhaps have any other
advice that does not include chillies and my gonads? That is
unfortunately not an option for, seeing as my g/f kicked me in the
nuts once, and after two operations, and a sensitive scrotum, I try my
best to avoid chillies on my bollocks...
Big Jim
It is,however, a part of skydiving. If it ever completely goes away, so
should you.
"James" <ja...@james.james> wrote in message
news:iov4l35o37ul3pagk...@4ax.com...
the unknown flailer
Fear usually tapers off between 50 & 75 jumps, you learn to trust your
equipment, then between 75 and 150 jumps some jumpers become to
confident
and get reckless...The aircraft and pilots are the same thing....As
you get used to them you will relax. Could be your a bit
claustrophobic and thats whats bugging you...A stuffy cramped cabin
can be a bitch in the summer, when the pilot calls door its always a
relief to natural jumpers. Got any T/Otters or CASA's
close by? Going to a boogie after you get your B and riding the bigger
planes might give you some insight on what your problem really is and
some slight
relief if it is Claustrophobia. Aircraft are a part of the package
for regular jumpers,
learn to live with it....Most skydiving difficulties are in your head
anyway. Maybe you can try visualizing your exit and free fall on the
climb to relax...We Joked, laughed and screwed with each other on the
climb---that may relax you. The climb time sure seems to pass faster
if you occupy yourself with something or someone and relax----Try it!
0~;-*
brokeneagle
If you really desire to do this, you can let the total fun of the
performance of skydiving or an appreciation of nature override what
you're concentrating on (your fear), Want it, and you will be able to
control this fear. If, like me, you have suffered fear of heights ever
since you can remember, your pure enjoyment of the skydive and being
with your friends can make the fear recede so that you, too, will be
jumping up from packing and say, 'Let's get on the next load!' ... I
personally REALLY enjoy the ride up, especially if I can see
outside... 's GORGEOUS out there.... and when you observe the rare
magic of a sundog on a cloud top overlaying the countryside, or each
time you can glide noiselessly under canopy near an eagle or hawk and
fly alongside them a while merely reinforces the grand side of this
coin.... Concentrate more on what you love the most, and loosen the
tight hold you're keeping on that fear... it will help you relax
better to think of something else- and it's ok to be afraid, just
don't let it stop you from doing what you want to do.
Brokeneagle.
the unknown flailer
> On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
>
> > Hi,
It normally does, the more jumps you got the more you relax.....same
way with exits, most blown exits are from nerves or being to tight.
> >Will it become non existent?
If it ever does, you may be in trouble.....Their should always be
slight unease.
After all planes are dangerous----Get off the damn thing as soon as
you can! ;)
> > Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and alive?
I'd say training and experience are more important, fear can kill you
as quick as stupid can.
I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better?
Suck it up its all in your mind
> >Like Big Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest
coolest thing for
> > me.
Uh.... Biggie's a girly boy, he may be able to speak to your problems.
It would be a shame to throw away all the money you've put into trying
to get through the student stages and overcome its various
difficulties. When, you learn to discipline your mind and control your
body it will click for you.....there won't be much else around better
or more relaxing. Drive on kid!
PeterLucas
4ax.com:
> Hi,
>
> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
LOL!! I hate flying, and I hate being in planes too :-)
>
> I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down? Will
> it become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and
> alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better?
Nope........ I've also always been afraid of heights...... except when I
have a rig on :-)
>Like Big
> Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
> me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
> but it really is bad for me going up.
>
Don't think of it as being confined in a small metal coffin (like I used
to), just look out the window, listen to music, have something to
eat.... do something other than think about the actual flight in the
plane.
As soon as the door was opened, I used to breathe a sigh of relief and
couldn't wait to get outside that metal shell.
It's something to do with not being in control of your destiny whilst
confined in the plane.
I *never* liked having my life in the control of the pilot, but it's
something you have to do to get the end result.
--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia
Wars begin where you will...
but they do not end where you please.
Machiavelli
the unknown flailer
> ja...@james.james wrote in news:afe4l3p86qern4i9jt2uqppq1fcf5d62j4@
> 4ax.com:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> > you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> > I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> > the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
> LOL!! I hate flying, and I hate being in planes too :-)
>
>
>
> > I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down? Will
> > it become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and
> > alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better?
>
> Nope........ I've also always been afraid of heights...... except when I
> have a rig on :-)
Be aware James, in the 1990's you needed at least 500 ft of ground
clearance to get reserve on emergency exits and thats what we drilled
for, Reserves were cut & packed to deploy faster than mains. Dunno
what technology has developed since 1996......Might be 250 ft.... 6
feet or nothing seeings the fagots calling themselves skydivers now
are just as likely to be diving in wind tunnels.
>
> >Like Big
> > Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
> > me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
> > but it really is bad for me going up.
>
> Don't think of it as being confined in a small metal coffin (like I used
> to), just look out the window, listen to music, have something to
> eat.... do something other than think about the actual flight in the
> plane.
Don't eat (other skydivers frown on chunking your cookies) before
exit. Do occupy your mind because your problem is in the mind
>
> As soon as the door was opened, I used to breathe a sigh of relief and
> couldn't wait to get outside that metal shell.
>
> It's something to do with not being in control of your destiny whilst
> confined in the plane.
>
> I *never* liked having my life in the control of the pilot, but it's
> something you have to do to get the end result.
agreed & agreed, the pilot might be some punk just building flying
time.
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> Wars begin where you will...
> but they do not end where you please.
>
> Machiavelli
Amen.....your alright for a geeky little drag queen Peter. ;)P
the unknown flailer
> Brokeneagle.
HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy. This
is about jumping out of airplanes...Theirs no grading on a curve, Its
pass or fail. Give them a few tips and what help you can but if they
can't get a grip KICK THEM IN THE ASS. The key in this civilian
sport is "ability to jump master self" If they can't develop the
mental discipline to overcome problems & little built in mental block
like being afraid of planes or the ride up.KICK THEM IN THE ASS and
hand out what the Navy called a Administrative Drop unless you plan on
holding their hand the rest of their lives. What are you some kind of
touchy feely person? You want to hang with me on the same threads, try
to act more like a by god old time kick ass and take names Petty
Officer! ;-/
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle <Eagleo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
>
>> Brokeneagle.
>
>
>HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy.
You don't skydive. What's it to you?
>This
>is about jumping out of airplanes.
No, as you highlight so blatantly below, "You want to hang with me on
the same threads" it's soley and only about you.
>..Theirs no grading on a curve,
>Its
>pass or fail.
No grade was being curved or even made, nor was any suggested - until
you started blathering, that is. On that note, yes, it's pass/fail -
now, feel free to tally for us the score on your most recent jump and
be aware - as you rationalize it, these rationalizations you use to
tally your most recent jump, are in of themselves - just you grading
on that very same curve.
>Give them a few tips and what help you can but if they
>can't get a grip KICK THEM IN THE ASS.
Here's a tip, dummy - your "help" is transparently just about you
striking poses and if you can't get a grip on that, well, that's your
problem - just a matter of time before you kick your own ass, of
course.
>The key in this civilian
>sport is "ability to jump master self" If they can't develop the
>mental discipline to overcome problems & little built in mental block
>like being afraid of planes or the ride up.KICK THEM IN THE ASS
Well then, let's look again at this purported inability to develope
the mental discipline to overcome problems & little built in mental
block like being afraid of planes or the ride up," shall we?
James wrote: "I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually
taper down? Will i become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you
thinking and alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get
better? Like Big Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest
coolest thing for me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see
things differently) but it really is bad for me going up."
So - explain how asking for advice constitutes "inability to develop
the mental discipline to overcome problems & little built in mental
block like being afraid of planes or the ride up."
>and
>hand out what the Navy called a Administrative Drop unless you plan on
>holding their hand the rest of their lives.
Oh, right <sarcasm dummy> - person asks for advice and gets it and the
people offering their advice, take it or leave it, are "holding their
hand the rest of their lives," eh? Tell ya what - the guy got his
advice so I guess now it's just a matter of time before he's back -
looking for "sympathy and a hand hold" Let's put it into perspective
now, Brownie. Remember the girl at Beaumont who spun in with a toggle
unstowed? Remember how you tried to "help her" before you were shoo'd
off by the more experienced skydivers? Not that she spun in on the
very next jump, of course, but since you were trying to help her then
- maybe she even asked for advice - I guess you were "holding her
hand," weren't you? How, even if you weren't "holding her hand,"
you're still working a contradiction and your very own words bust you.
Let's take a look and keep in mind that you are on record referring to
someone asking for advice as a "baby sissy's looking for sympathy" :
"Ya kin't treat students like normal skydivers...thinking they know
how to do the right thing or belittle them for not knowing how to do
it cuz they forgot.... A lotta shit is being shoved at them in a short
period....their gonna be unsure of in which order and when brain lock
is a hazard cuz the slower thinkers are overloaded, never say "oh
don't worry about it it'll be ok." Nope it ain't gonna be ok. Used to
be a saying, *it takes 3 mistakes in a row to kill a D but only one to
kill a student or Novice..."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/30c44c690aa14b90
* * *
>What are you some kind of
>touchy feely person?
You give "advice" all the time, Brownie. How is it that when
brokenagle did it, it's indicative some politically incorrect "touchy
feely?"
>You want to hang with me on the same threads, try
>to act more like a by god old time kick ass and take names Petty
>Officer!
Yo, dummy - you want to hang out with skydivers, try a dropzone.
Otherwise, the threads aren't yours, they are not in your control, and
you can say all you want as to who is allowed to "hang with" you in
this little backwater of the usenet but anything beyond just saying?
Guff. Plenty of bark and a dearth of bite.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:09:42 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> >On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle <Eagleo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
>
> >> Brokeneagle.
>
> >HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy.
>
> You don't skydive. What's it to you?
>
skydivers need a little direction in their life also it seems...Might
sound mean but I'm actually trying to help Broken eagle show focus.
James must have known from the first jump that riding in small
airplanes made him uncomfortable, So now 10 jumps into the program he
comes on here crying? Skydiving is not for everybody, perhaps he
should look for another sport rather than waste any more money...I
realize you bottom feeders want to string him along as long as
possible to milk the last nickle out of him. FUCK THAT........Suck it
up kid or quit! Over time most people can get used to anything, the
question is do you want it bad enough?
James
>Hi,
-snip-
Thank you all for your advice. I do not want to quit what I just
started, but I'll place my focus elsewhere, instead of on the flight
up.
Once again, thanks for the advice.
James
"Suck it up kid or quit!" I don't know who you are or what you are in
relation to skydiving, but some people would rather ask for advice
from experienced people who might be in a same situation, for a
solution instead of of taking the easy way out and just quit. Why quit
something you like just because there is a slight mental issue that
can be overcome?
So, please share with me *your* story. No fear from the first jump?
Just a cowboy hoo-haa and here we go?
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
hung strut on a rickety old 180 end of story, wow 10 jumps and the
kids already fucking with me heh heh love it. 0~;)P
the unknown flailer
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:59:46 +0200, ja...@james.james wrote:
> >Hi,
>
> -snip-
>
> Thank you all for your advice. I do not want to quit what I just
> started, but I'll place my focus elsewhere, instead of on the flight
> up.
>
hope. ;)
James
Do I need to be an experienced skydiver to talk to ya? Nah, I don't
think so. There's a difference between Usenet and skydiving... Just
thought you knew the difference. Anyway, a weekend past, so it's not
10 jumps anymore. While you sit on your ass and try to be a skydiving
god, some people actually go out there and overcome the mental block
and jump. How many jumps did *you* do after your experience?
Am I mistaking in assuming nothing?
Yeah, I'm inexperienced, but that will change in time. And you know
what? Realising my short comings, might just make me a better skydiver
in time. Instead of sitting on my butt behind a computer and
criticising pretending to be a skydiving god.
Cheers mate! While you bitch and moan, I'll be enjoying jumping out of
a plane, overcoming my fear.
James
Are you really that interested in my balls? Maybe you should start a
new thread about my nuts heh.
Obviously you didn't bother to take notice of the *other* replies in
the thread, mate ;)
the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >> a known bottom feeder wrote:
> >> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:09:42 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> >> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >> >On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle <Eagleo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
>
> >> >> Brokeneagle.
>
> >> >HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy.
>
> >> You don't skydive. What's it to you?
>
> >I'm the only trained Adviser talking around here...The regular
> >skydivers need a little direction in their life also it seems...Might
> >sound mean but I'm actually trying to help Broken eagle show focus.
> >James must have known from the first jump that riding in small
> >airplanes made him uncomfortable, So now 10 jumps into the program he
> >comes on here crying? Skydiving is not for everybody, perhaps he
> >should look for another sport rather than waste any more money...I
> >realize you bottom feeders want to string him along as long as
> >possible to milk the last nickle out of him. FUCK THAT........Suck it
> >up kid or quit! Over time most people can get used to anything, the
> >question is do you want it bad enough?
>
> "Suck it up kid or quit!" I don't know who you are or what you are in
> relation to skydiving,
I haven't jumped in 11 years----when I did it was as a recreation
jumper, now I just screw with skydiving girly boys as a hobby. Some of
them have quite a few jumps because they jump commercially but they
are not very smart in a classical sense because their mostly self
involved sissys....spell that s p o i l t
> Just a cowboy hoo-haa and here we go?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
And thats another thing, I'm no cowboy......never was. Worked cattle
when I was young but we also farmed, raised hogs and sold
timber....one Saturday I rode a horse into town leading a pack mule to
pick up supplies and some packages at the Post Office....This fancy
sailor boy was standing around the Post Office trying to recruit city
boys. So he See's I don't have any shoes and starts telling me the USN
will not only give me a pair of shoes but a pair of boots called boon
dockers if I come work for them for $48 a month...Said you got fed
three times a day and all kind of shit. So I signed up, found out he
was a liar, the Navy don't give you nothing for free.....They take
everything out of your first paycheck and every paycheck after that.
Buttt I got to see the world and they educated me on top of that so it
all worked out....didn't have to walk behind a plow horse ever again
at least. Nope I'm more back woods antique than cowboy...Whatever the
combination is it seems to set some urban bootee boy skydiving butts
on fire. And I work that angle "hard" because I have become evil in my
old age! 0~;->
sky...@pdq.net
Reality check - your most recent jump was in 1999.
>---when I did it was as a recreation
>jumper, now I just screw with skydiving girly boys as a hobby. Some of
>them have quite a few jumps because they jump commercially
As you've often said, Brownie - airtime airtime airtime. I would say
some of them have quite a few jumps because they've been jumping
regularly for a good period of time. Period.
>but they
>are not very smart in a classical sense because their mostly self
>involved sissys....spell that s p o i l t
With that dumb statement in mind, please refer to "self involved"
paragraph you wrote below where you, yes, whine like a "sissy" over
what the navy didn't tell you before you signed.
>
>
>> Just a cowboy hoo-haa and here we go?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>And thats another thing, I'm no cowboy......never was. Worked cattle
>when I was young but we also farmed, raised hogs and sold
>timber....one Saturday I rode a horse into town leading a pack mule to
>pick up supplies and some packages at the Post Office....This fancy
>sailor boy was standing around the Post Office trying to recruit city
>boys. So he See's I don't have any shoes and starts telling me the USN
>will not only give me a pair of shoes but a pair of boots called boon
>dockers if I come work for them for $48 a month...Said you got fed
>three times a day and all kind of shit. So I signed up, found out he
>was a liar, the Navy don't give you nothing for free.....They take
>everything out of your first paycheck and every paycheck after that.
>Buttt I got to see the world and they educated me on top of that so it
>all worked out....didn't have to walk behind a plow horse ever again
>at least. Nope I'm more back woods antique than cowboy...Whatever the
>combination is it seems to set some urban bootee boy skydiving butts
>on fire. And I work that angle "hard" because I have become evil in my
>old age!
Self-involved, more like.
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
Take note, Brownie - skydiving continues on despite your lack of
participation and a novice skydiver with valid concerns and fair
questions clearly sees you for the self-absorbed troll and non-jumper
that you are. You wanna hang with skydivers? Go to a dropzone.
...bsrp
...jlk
tom
Oooooh, snap! Wonder how he'll respond to that one. But you know he'll
have to have the last word. Tom
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nope, to many narrow young dummys...Chilly balls didn't even thank me
for the pearls of wisdom gained from a lifetime of training to kill
enemy's of the State. Or the kick in the ass for motivation I gave his
psyche I can see why yawl charge them for what used to be free, it
doesn't excuse your lack of personal honor or greed but I understand
never the less.......... 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ummmm, Tom I was looking at some demographics, it shows the majority
of USPA members fall into the 30 to 39 age group, the up to 29 age
group has fallen off every year for the last 5 or 6...then in
declining order in numbers the
40 to 49 year olds
50 to 59 year olds
60 plus are in a minority.
I'm thinking starting at that 50 to 59 year old mark, everybody might
be just dirty old men with peter pan complexs....where do you fit in?
the unknown flailer
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:11:36 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> >On Dec 10, 8:05 am, James <ja...@james.james> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:59:46 +0200, ja...@james.james wrote:
> >> >Hi,
>
> >> -snip-
>
> >> Thank you all for your advice. I do not want to quit what I just
> >> started, but I'll place my focus elsewhere, instead of on the flight
> >> up.
>
> >Without smearing chili sauce or using pepper spray on your balls, we
> >hope. ;)
>
> Are you really that interested in my balls? Maybe you should start a
> new thread about my nuts heh.
>
up, quit your damn sempering about being afraid, go out climb on that
damn plane and skydive.....you can think about this thread or me on
the climb....I'm sure it will take your mind off your petty fears,
anger usually does heh heh 0~;)P
the unknown flailer
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:08:46 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thats the spirit kid 0~;-*
johnsonbomb
>
> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
> alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better? Like Big
> Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
> me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
> but it really is bad for me going up.
James
I know I'm rather new to this group, but I used to have the same fear
as you. I got over it by talking with my buddy about what potentially
could really happen to me while I'm going up in the plane. After alot
of analysis, we concluded that if you have a secure pack on your back,
you are doing the safest thing possible for yourself at the time. If
your plane goes down, you're fine. You just jump.
Or you could take the approach that the catcher does in Major League
II, which is read porno so you're thinking about pussy while you're
going up in the air. I think I like that one better.
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey, the kid was struggling with a mental block.......I exhibited some
Superior leadership, looks like he's so damn mad now, he might go all
the way to gold wings just to show me what a asshole I am......thats a
lot of airplane rides, he will probably laugh about this some day if
he ever cools down. 0~;)P
James
Why would I be "so damn mad now", just because you did... what
exactly? You might think your navy tactics work everywhere, I reckon
not. I have been lurking here for a while, I have seen your posts. I
know that you can not be taken seriously. You're a troll. Sometimes a
good one, I'll give you that.
Yes, I won't just laugh about it one day, I allready am laughing about
it. You said in one of the other threads that I did not even thank
you. I have thanked the people that helped, and yes, you helped a bit
too. If it is a personal "thank you" that you need, then thank you
unknown flailer. Seriously though, you need to lighten up a bit.
the unknown flailer
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:38:09 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
Now that you have felt around and found some balls in your pants
James, just go out get on that damn airplane and quit your crying.
Don't mope around pouting feeling sorry for yourself either, other
people on that load are probably there to enjoy themselves........Not
feel sorry for another little girly boy who just entered the
sport !!! ;-/ grrrr
James
Yup, that's exactly why I was at the DZ this past weekend. Yup, I was
still nervous, although a little bit less, thanks to experienced
skydivers who gave me some tips. Yup, I had fun. Why would I feel
sorry for myself? It was a great weekend. So tell me, did you have fun
on the sidelines? You know, you should come round to my DZ some time.
I mean, with you pissing and moaning on the ground, it'll motivate
anyone to get up in that plane as quickly as possible.
tom
>
> Ummmm, Tom I was looking at some demographics, it shows the majority
> of USPA members fall into the 30 to 39 age group, the up to 29 age
> group has fallen off every year for the last 5 or 6...then in
> declining order in numbers the
> 40 to 49 year olds
> 50 to 59 year olds
> 60 plus are in a minority.
> I'm thinking starting at that 50 to 59 year old mark, everybody might
> be just dirty old men with peter pan complexs....where do you fit in?
Why, I'm in the group just outside the majority of your demographics,
and I'm jumping. And so we come full circle: You're incorrigible. (And
so is your alter-ego, by the way) Tom
the unknown flailer
Not my demographics, its the USPA's and I think you're in
denial.....You are just another dirty old man trying to hang on to his
youth....btw this incorrigible thing...Isn't that considered focus by
the other side? "Incorrigible", yep sounds like something a British
Officer on a sinking Frigate might have called a Continental
sailor. ;)P
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:48:05 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> >On Dec 10, 9:46 pm, James <ja...@james.james> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:38:09 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
> > If it is a personal "thank you" that you need, then thank you
> >> unknown flailer. Seriously though, you need to lighten up a bit.- Hide quoted text -
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>
> >Now that you have felt around and found some balls in your pants
> >James, just go out get on that damn airplane and quit your crying.
> >Don't mope around pouting feeling sorry for yourself either, other
> >people on that load are probably there to enjoy themselves........Not
> >feel sorry for another little girly boy who just entered the
> >sport !!! ;-/ grrrr
>
> Yup, that's exactly why I was at the DZ this past weekend. Yup, I was
> still nervous, although a little bit less, thanks to experienced
> skydivers who gave me some tips. Yup, I had fun. Why would I feel
> sorry for myself? It was a great weekend. So tell me, did you have fun
> on the sidelines?
Yep, like the old East Texas Gentleman I am, went around visiting &
having coffee with the wider women....they think I'm just wonderful.
Then I slow rolled
back through town going to the lake looking for young people to
straighten out...Its become a weekend ritual. Shit young dummys gather
on the street corners to wave at their favorite old hoodlum. I'm quite
popular with the small town kids up here, specially when the same
movies been playing at the town theater for over a month! ;)P
> You know, you should come round to my DZ some time.
> I mean, with you pissing and moaning on the ground, it'll motivate
> anyone to get up in that plane as quickly as possible.
~there it is~
tom
Maybe there's some hope for you after all... Nice job with the
contraction! Tom
the unknown flailer
> On Dec 11, 8:55 am, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 9:00 am, tom <tomes...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 10, 6:47 pm, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Ummmm, Tom I was looking at some demographics, it shows the majority
> > > > of USPA members fall into the 30 to 39 age group, the up to 29 age
> > > > group has fallen off every year for the last 5 or 6...then in
> > > > declining order in numbers the
> > > > 40 to 49 year olds
> > > > 50 to 59 year olds
> > > > 60 plus are in a minority.
> > > > I'm thinking starting at that 50 to 59 year old mark, everybody might
> > > > be just dirty old men with peter pan complexs....where do you fit in?
>
> > > Why, I'm in the group just outside the majority of your demographics,
Not yet, you haven't suffered a major stroke or cardio vascular
incident yet.....Your going to find its a different world if you wake
up with parts of your body essential to skydive paralized after it
happens. Meanwhile
>
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:48:05 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> >On Dec 10, 9:46 pm, James <ja...@james.james> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:38:09 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
> > If it is a personal "thank you" that you need, then thank you
> >> unknown flailer. Seriously though, you need to lighten up a bit.- Hide quoted text -
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No need to thank me for pissing you off kid but be aware, I'm always
here on wreck willing to help you over the rough spots in your
progression! 0~;)P.
the unknown flailer
> On Dec 1, 10:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> > you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> > I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> > the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
> > I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down? Will
> > it become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and
> > alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better? Like Big
> > Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
> > me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
> > but it really is bad for me going up.
>
> James
> I know I'm rather new to this group, but I used to have the same fear
> as you. I got over it by talking with my buddy about what potentially
> could really happen to me while I'm going up in the plane. After alot
> of analysis, we concluded that if you have a secure pack on your back,
> you are doing the safest thing possible for yourself at the time. If
> your plane goes down, you're fine. You just jump.
I have a few comments to make about that but choose to wait until
Chili balls gets in another weekend of jumping-----I don't want to
scare the shit out of him after busting his balls to get him back on
the damn plane! 0~;->
Big Jim
the way to gold wings just to show me what a asshole I am...<
Nobody has to show anyone, including you, what an asshole you are. It would
just be redundant.
That's one thing you actually do well, demonstrate what an asshole you are.
johnsonbomb
book of world records for "most people I can piss off in a year". If
that's your goal, then you're are doing a great job
tom
> On Dec 11, 11:42 am, tom <tomes...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 8:55 am, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 11, 9:00 am, tom <tomes...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 10, 6:47 pm, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Ummmm, Tom I was looking at some demographics, it shows the majority
> > > > > of USPA members fall into the 30 to 39 age group, the up to 29 age
> > > > > group has fallen off every year for the last 5 or 6...then in
> > > > > declining order in numbers the
> > > > > 40 to 49 year olds
> > > > > 50 to 59 year olds
> > > > > 60 plus are in a minority.
> > > > > I'm thinking starting at that 50 to 59 year old mark, everybody might
> > > > > be just dirty old men with peter pan complexs....where do you fit in?
>
> > > > Why, I'm in the group just outside the majority of your demographics,
>
> Not yet, you haven't suffered a major stroke or cardio vascular
> incident yet.....Your going to find its a different world if you wake
> up with parts of your body essential to skydive paralized after it
> happens. Meanwhile
>
>
You've slipped again...Oh, and I fixed your misquote. Changing the
subject doesn't help your case anyway, but I do hope you're feeling
better. Someday, it'll all be over. Tom
the unknown flailer
>
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Well til then I'm here for you Tom. ;-*
the unknown flailer
I'm just a natural motivator, the way I view City people in general
and Skydivers in particular is, their already pissed off at the world
so
the unknown flailer
Think its bad now? I've mellowed....Other Petty Officers of like rank
were afraid of me when I was young, something about having a stone
cold killers stare. Nobody was quite sure when & if I was going to fly
apart and start killing the people around me----of course I was
probably just thinking about something down the line....Could keep a
amazing amount of information and details in my head. BTW I'm here for
you Biggy butt if you need motivation! ;)P
peanut4040
normal.
Let me try to describe it for you. Its a natural part of the
adranaline drug that you have just began to abuse.. Remember your
first jump? You went out on Saturday, and got a bit of "brain
overload" . Well, whats happening is that you have this little "file
clerk" in the back of your brain. Now this file clerk happily files
information away in file cabinetts. you get up in the morning, and
the file clerks files away how ugly your wife is. Walk to the
bathroom, trip over the dog, and your brain files away to kick dog
outside next time.
But anyway, NOW-When you jump out of a plane, your file clerk goes
into overload, He files and files and files,, and everything goes
haywire, but he don't miss a beat. Your file clerk does not miss one
tiny bit of information. Your brain shuts down, but he keeps
fileing.
When you get to the ground your brain is "wasted" on adranaline, and
the fileing clerk is doing speed to get things filed. Thats why you
don't remember much of the skydive, in the very first few minutes on
landing. Your brain is in-compacitated and works slowly,,,, you are
on a adranaline high.
Later, you are adjusting to the adranaline and you notice 4 hours of
very "high elation highs", where you are just elated you lived
through this. NOW comes the slammer. You crash for about 5 minutes
and get depressed.. for no reason. THEn you are immediately back up
there on a high again. This process is repeateded with diminishing
returns through out the work week.
By the time you hit Friday, the elation of the high has worn off.
You have forgotten about the good side of the drug.....You only have
the depression side of it. You my friend have the "DREDS".
At this time, your brain is back to functioning normal, and it Very
much desires that high again. Your brain tells you to go do it
again. However the adrnaline side of the dreds, tells you,,, I"m
dreading going back to the drop zone. You actually dred getting
back into that airplane because you are suffering the bad side of
extreme adranaline drug overloads.
Lets say,, you do go back. You endure the dreds. You jump out
again. Guess what dumbass?? Soon as that door opens, and you are
back in the sky.......You just got another dose of the good side of
adraline. and you
REMEMBER WHY YOU LIKE SKYDIVING.
Ps, If I was you,, with only 10 jumps. I'd quit now while you still
can.
peanut4040
> I'm the only trained Adviser talking around here...The regular
> skydivers need a little direction in their life also it seems...Might
> sound mean but I'm actually trying to help Broken eagle show focus.
> James must have known from the first jump that riding in small
> airplanes made him uncomfortable, So now 10 jumps into the program he
> comes on here crying? Skydiving is not for everybody, perhaps he
> should look for another sport rather than waste any more money..
Hes going to make it. As long as IF he DON't runs into a skydiving
professional who
".I> realize you bottom feeders want to string him along as long as
> possible to milk the last nickle out of him. "
AND as you said---- we need more d-license people picking up the real
slack of this situation before bottom feeders get them.
peanut4040
>
> So, please share with me *your* story. No fear from the first jump?
>
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James, you don't need his story at this time of your life. Besides, I
doubt anyone will contradict me when i say, his story is much too
long. You will hear his story "in time". You are very much too
young for him. Let yourself grow mentally in the sport if you
stay.
H'es a pretty smart man, but he is late on his child support.
peanut4040
>
> hung strut on a rickety old 180 end of story, wow 10 jumps and the
>
> - Show quoted text -
I thought that part was pretty good, hehehehehhe
peanut4040
>
> Yeah, I'm inexperienced, but that will change in time. And you know
> what? Realising my short comings, might just make me a better skydiver
> in time. Instead of sitting on my butt behind a computer and
> criticising pretending to be a skydiving god.
>
> Cheers mate! While you bitch and moan, I'll be enjoying jumping out of
Jeeseeee,,, he don't remind me of 'anyone" I know....
peanut4040
> Well til then I'm here for you Tom. ;-*- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Chuckles,, chit tom, just admit you're a dirty old fart and he will
leave you be...
peanut4040
> Yup, that's exactly why I was at the DZ this past weekend. Yup, I was
> still nervous, although a little bit less, thanks to experienced
> skydivers who gave me some tips. Yup, I had fun. Why would I feel
> sorry for myself? It was a great weekend. So tell me, did you have fun
> on the sidelines? You know, you should come round to my DZ some time.
> I mean, with you pissing and moaning on the ground, it'll motivate
> anyone to get up in that plane as quickly as possible.
This kid is through tuesday from a good weekend of skydiving,, h'es
going to be a bitch in about two more days and the depression side
hits him. LOOK OUT PAPPYYYYYYYYY
the unknown flailer
Yep, he needs some old fashioned D style Godfathers....BTW whats going
on, you just wake up? 7 posts on this subject in a row looks like
you're trying to play catch up and don't overload the kid with too
much technical explanation on his condition.....he just now found out
he had balls when I kicked him in the ego.
~They swole up~ ;)
the unknown flailer
The shit head will be wanting bootee's next....you know how they
are. ;->
the unknown flailer
> Ps, If I was you,, with only 10 jumps. I'd quit now while you still
> can.
Ah hell no, he's already about halfway through student status and has
a skygoddy attitude....no way he's quitting, he's going to work out
his problems or were going to keep helping him, that should be
incentive enough for anyone to get over anything!
bwooooooooohahahahahaha 0~;)
Big Jim
were afraid of me when I was young, something about having a stone
cold killers stare.>
with gross stupidity.
> BTW I'm here for
> you Biggy butt if you need motivation! >
I need nothing from you. The only thing I would like to have is a permanent
disappearing act.
sky...@pdq.net
Attitude? The guy has some questions, asks for some advice, you start
in with your standard poses and abuse, and he promptly throws it back
in your face. You're the "skygod," here, Brownie - all pretense and
no substance - flying like shit and blaming the formation as you
tumble past it.
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>The Nazi sympathizer wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:35:01 +0200, James <ja...@james.james> wrote:
>> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:08:46 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>> ><thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Dec 10, 8:29 am, James <ja...@james.james> wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:49:26 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>>
>> >>> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> a known bottom feeder wrote:
>> >>> >> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:09:42 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>>
>> >>> >> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle <Eagleo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> >> Brokeneagle.
>>
>> >>> >> >HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy.
>>
>> >>> >> You don't skydive. What's it to you?
>>
>> >>> >I'm the only trained Adviser talking around here...The regular
>> >>> >skydivers need a little direction in their life also it seems...Might
>> >>> >sound mean but I'm actually trying to help Broken eagle show focus.
>> >>> >James must have known from the first jump that riding in small
>> >>> >airplanes made him uncomfortable, So now 10 jumps into the program he
>> >>> >comes on here crying? Skydiving is not for everybody, perhaps he
>> >>> >should look for another sport rather than waste any more money...I
>> >>> >realize you bottom feeders want to string him along as long as
>> >>> >possible to milk the last nickle out of him. FUCK THAT........Suck it
>> >>> >up kid or quit! Over time most people can get used to anything, the
>> >>> >question is do you want it bad enough?
>>
>> >>> "Suck it up kid or quit!" I don't know who you are or what you are in
>> >>> relation to skydiving, but some people would rather ask for advice
>> >>> from experienced people who might be in a same situation, for a
>> >>> solution instead of of taking the easy way out and just quit. Why quit
>> >>> something you like just because there is a slight mental issue that
>> >>> can be overcome?
>>
>> >>> So, please share with me *your* story. No fear from the first jump?
>> >>> Just a cowboy hoo-haa and here we go?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >>hung strut on a rickety old 180 end of story, wow 10 jumps and the
>> >>kids already fucking with me heh heh love it. 0~;)P
>>
>> >Do I need to be an experienced skydiver to talk to ya? Nah, I don't
>> >think so. There's a difference between Usenet and skydiving... Just
>> >thought you knew the difference. Anyway, a weekend past, so it's not
>> >10 jumps anymore. While you sit on your ass and try to be a skydiving
>> >god, some people actually go out there and overcome the mental block
>> >and jump. How many jumps did *you* do after your experience?
>>
>> >Am I mistaking in assuming nothing?
>>
>> >Yeah, I'm inexperienced, but that will change in time. And you know
>> >what? Realising my short comings, might just make me a better skydiver
>> >in time. Instead of sitting on my butt behind a computer and
>> >criticising pretending to be a skydiving god.
>>
>> >Cheers mate! While you bitch and moan, I'll be enjoying jumping out of
>> >a plane, overcoming my fear.
>>
>> Take note, Brownie - skydiving continues on despite your lack of
>> participation and a novice skydiver with valid concerns and fair
>> questions clearly sees you for the self-absorbed troll and non-jumper
>> that you are. You wanna hang with skydivers? Go to a dropzone.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk- Hide quoted text -
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>
>Nope, to many narrow young dummys...
How do you know - you don't go to dropzones unless you're saying there
were "to many narrow young dummys" back when you jumped and if that
was the case, what were you doing going then since that's supposedly
now, as it is the excuse of the moment, keeping you away now? Oh, and
btw, skydiving continues on despite your lack of participation and a
novice skydiver with valid concerns and fair questions clearly sees
you for the self-absorbed troll and non-jumper that you are.
>Chilly balls didn't even thank me
Geeze - you're such a whiner, Brownie. Now, that's a good reason not
to go to dropzones - whiners don't seem to last too long in skydiving
- I mean, how often can one buy himself another sitsuit?
>for the pearls of wisdom gained from a lifetime of training to kill
>enemy's of the State.
A "lifetime?" Let's see - you joined in the mid to late 50's and quit
in the late 60's. Sure - that's a "lifetime" <sarcasm, dummy> - maybe
the average lifespan of a french poodle - which in french poodle years
might be significant. Hell, Brownie - I've been skydiving since 1995
- I guess under your definition of a "lifetime," I've spent a
"lifetime" skydiving - but it sure seems a lot shorter than that -
clearly, because it is.
>Or the kick in the ass for motivation I gave his
>psyche
"Kick in the ass for motivation?" Bullshit. All you did was lob some
names and then talk about yourself. Perhaps it was "Kick in the ass
for motivation" for the guy to tell you to lighten up and enjoy your
time on the sidelines or something.
>I can see why yawl charge them for what used to be free,
Charge what for what used to be free, dummy? And who's doing it?
Who's this "yawl?"
>it doesn't excuse your lack of personal honor or greed
And so it devolves into more baseless name-calling - so predictable,
Brownie. First off, you don't have a leg to stand on with the
"personal honor" crap since you have often been busted for lying and
abject hypocrisy (not to mention being a whiner) - and, as ever, me
saying it doesn't make even that true - but, I can cite numerous
examples of your very own words illustrating your "personal honor" -
a tradition of lying and hypocrisy - to rub your nose in.
>but I understand
>never the less..
Of course you "understand," - solely because you have determined
events and circumststances via imagination and have arrived at
conclusions based upon what you have absolutely no contemporary or
even relevant experience. You don't go to dropzones, haven't in many
years, and you don't skydive - and haven't in many years. Yet, you
still have this amazing ability <more sarcasm, dummy> to determine
just what is in skydiving and at dropzones - and a whole host of other
areas which you may have had a taste of at some time in the past, but
you've been removed from it all for a good long time now. You
~imagine~ you understand but that imagination pretty much stops short
of reality - I.E. - anything past that thick skull you got stuck up
your backside.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
You want Jimmy Hoffa style funeral arrangements? Wouldn't a little
personal attention by a motivation expert be better?
the unknown flailer
> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >To a Nazi sympathizer who wrote:
> >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:35:01 +0200, James <ja...@james.james> wrote:
> >> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:08:46 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
> >> ><thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >> >>> >> >HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy.
>
> >> >>> >> You don't skydive. What's it to you?
>
> >> >>> >I'm the only trained Adviser talking around here...The regular
> >> >>> >skydivers need a little direction in their life also it seems...Might
> >> >>> >sound mean but I'm actually trying to help Broken eagle show focus.
> >> >>> >James must have known from the first jump that riding in small
> >> >>> >airplanes made him uncomfortable, So now 10 jumps into the
> >>>> >>program he comes on here crying
-------->has no one to motivate him because I'm gone? Never fear as
long as wreck is here......I'll be helping the young dummy's
> How do you know - you don't go to dropzones unless you're saying there
> were "to many narrow young dummys" back when you jumped
mine is a wisdom gained from a lifetime of learning
> A "lifetime?" Let's see - you joined in the mid to late 50's and quit
> in the late 60's.
1970 to be exact, all I had to do was ship over for six one more time
and I could have retired as a Master Chief or W-4 but that shit can go
both ways though. America is not always grateful for services rendered
& the Navy was changing.....I could have just as well ended up in
Portsmouth Naval Brig
doing life without parole for being a war criminal as one young dummy
called me. War criminal, can you believe that? ~a caring old man like
me~
Sure - that's a "lifetime" <sarcasm, dummy> - maybe
> the average lifespan of a french poodle - which in french poodle years
> might be significant. Hell, Brownie - I've been skydiving since 1995
> - I guess under your definition of a "lifetime," I've spent a
> "lifetime" skydiving -
Dunno about that, you appear to be shall we say "so mentally
challenged"
It would take you 30,000 jumps to pick up a tenth of what I knew in
300 when it was combined with my prior experience as a NCO of the
line. Let me get directly to the foundation of your problem----->You
are a young dummy );-)P
>
the unknown flailer
> Hi,
>
> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
> I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down?
Their are exceptions to the rule but "yes"
"See how simple this could have been if so many young dummys didn't
get all emotional over something so simple and cause me to go into
motivation mode?
sky...@pdq.net
There it is - perhaps the reason most significant illustrating how you
were so sub-marginal in skydiving and ultimately crashed your ass out
of the sport for good - other people "cause" you to do things.
Personaly responsibility? <crickets chirping> It's all bullshit, of
course. You call whatever "young dummys" as an all encompassing
description illustrating how you are not young and therefore not dumb,
you accuse them of being "emotional," thus suggesting how unemotional
you believe yourself to be - and therefore set yourself apart as
unique, special, and superior and then the pose crashes down because
its foundation is so rotted - others "cause" you to do whatever.
Amazing how the young, dumb, and emotional has such a powerful control
over you, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
No - skydiving continues on despite your lack of participation and a
~ novice skydiver with valid concerns and fair questions clearly sees
you for the self-absorbed troll and non-jumper that you are.~
>
>
>> How do you know - you don't go to dropzones unless you're saying there
>> were "to many narrow young dummys" back when you jumped
>
>
>mine is a wisdom gained from a lifetime of learning
Oh, so now it's become a "lifetime of learning" as opposed to "a
lifetime of training to kill enemy's of the State," eh? Nice
crabwalk, dumbass. Still, I'm sure how you wrote it originally -
before reality stepped in - sounded real good to you at the time - if
no one else reads your words, at least you can read them and get what
affirmation you can while doing so.
>
>
>> A "lifetime?" Let's see - you joined in the mid to late 50's and quit
>> in the late 60's.
>
>1970 to be exact, all I had to do was ship over for six one more time
>and I could have retired as a Master Chief or W-4 but that shit can go
>both ways though. America is not always grateful for services rendered
>& the Navy was changing.....I could have just as well ended up in
>Portsmouth Naval Brig
>doing life without parole for being a war criminal as one young dummy
>called me. War criminal, can you believe that? ~a caring old man like
>me~
Whoopty shit - try to focus, dummy. 10-15 years ain't exactly a
"lifetime," excepting for french poodles and the like.
>
>Sure - that's a "lifetime" <sarcasm, dummy> - maybe
>> the average lifespan of a french poodle - which in french poodle years
>> might be significant. Hell, Brownie - I've been skydiving since 1995
>> - I guess under your definition of a "lifetime," I've spent a
>> "lifetime" skydiving -
>
>Dunno about that, you appear to be shall we say "so mentally
>challenged"
Just keeping it real, dummy. You want to start gargling how such and
such is "whining for sympathy" when the reality is it's just a fellow
skydiver expressing valid concerns and asking fair questions on a
skydiving electronic newsgroup, no one's stopping you. But as you
dish, so will you take. Tough shit, dummy.
>It would take you 30,000 jumps to pick up a tenth of what I knew in
>300
As has been evidenced in the fact that you don't skydive and your last
skydive is a particularly vivid illustration of what you "picked up,"
I'm not worried at all by this dumb and self-affirming take of yours
at all.
>when it was combined with my prior experience as a NCO of the
>line.
One would think that such "prior experience" might suggest some sort
of ability to think things through. You couldn't or wouldn't and
didn't and here you are and it isn't skydiving - just a particularly
vapid and pathetic troll who affirms himself by boasts, brags, and
leveling baseless abuse.
>Let me get directly to the foundation of your problem----->You
>are a young dummy
It's your problem, not mine, Brownie. No one's buying your crap
except yourself.
...bsrp
...jlk
Big Jim
Whose funeral are you proposing to arrange?
If it's mine, bring it down here and give it a try, we will find out how
good this "lifetime of training" is.
If it's yours, I wish you no harm or ill fortune. I hope you live at least
another 60 something years.
I was think more along the lines of you taking your dumbass act permanently
over to rec.rv where you are proably some sort of hero, as long as you don't
attempt to expound on the subject of rv's, something which, presumably,
some of the folks over there know something about.
the unknown flailer
>
> James
> I know I'm rather new to this group, but I used to have the same fear
> as you. I got over it by talking with my buddy about what potentially
> could really happen to me while I'm going up in the plane. After alot
> of analysis, we concluded that if you have a secure pack on your back,
> you are doing the safest thing possible for yourself at the time. If
> your plane goes down, you're fine. You just jump.
Bullshit, this is defective logic....Rather than waste your daddy's
money on Cheesy U you should take it, buy a pup tent and move to
Calif.....Lodi Mike can straighten your young ass out.....he's
forgotten more about skydiving than you will ever know, his boss Billy
D. can give you a stall and spin ride to introduce you to the power of
centrifugal force while Mike explains parachutes can only be effective
outside the airplane Then come back and correct this bum information
your putting out. Young dummy, you got your head up your ass or
something?
Well maybe the Lodi kid can borrow a come along and pull it out for
you. ;)P
the unknown flailer
> <You want Jimmy Hoffa style funeral arrangements?>
>
> Whose funeral are you proposing to arrange?
>
> If it's mine, bring it down here and give it a try, we will find out how
> good this "lifetime of training" is.
>
Apparently you don't know how the system works, I was a force
multiplier I sent locals to carry out the execusions...Made very few
kills myself other than the occasional mercy killing and in self
defense if forced to do so. I'm a man of peace, unfortunately the USN
needed some Capo's to handle the indigenous sailors and soldiers, oh
I'd go along occasionally to supervise from the shadows
you know, make sure my tooys didn't kill their selves or any U.S.
conventional forces by accident----so actually, I was trained more as
a facilitator. Thats what Mafia Capos are you know...out there seeing
the Dons orders are carried out,
kind of protecting the family. Yep, thats me----just a loyal sailor
> If it's yours, I wish you no harm or ill fortune. I hope you live at least
> another 60 something years.
>
Well I was one of the best...survived a year and a half of intensive
training and years in the field but no one beats death in the long run
and I doubt I'll live
much longer. Most of my friends seem to go in their early to mid
80's.
From what I see, its best to go young, people that old appear to be
pretty fucking grouchy & miserable
> I was think more along the lines of you taking your dumbass act permanently
> over to rec.rv where you are proably some sort of hero,
Nope, their more anal than skydivers if you can believe
that.....Mostly urban people who have led soft lives------All but a
few old WWII Combat vets think I should be arrested for having such
radical opinions or deported because I'm some kind of foreigner or
something heh heh 0~;-)
the unknown flailer
>
> > Now that you have felt around and found some balls in your pants
> > James, just go out get on that damn airplane and quit your crying.
> > Don't mope around pouting feeling sorry for yourself either, other
> > people on that load are probably there to enjoy themselves........Not
> > feel sorry for another little girly boy who just entered the
> > sport !!! ;-/ grrrr
>
> wow, the unknown flairer, at if again. Are you going for the guiness
> book of world records for "most people I can piss off in a year". If
> that's your goal, then you're are doing a great job
you need motivation to sonny?
Big Jim
>>Nope, their more anal than skydivers if you can believe
that.....Mostly urban people who have led soft lives>>
Sounds like they got your number over there. I guess you have "motivated"
them with your 'backwoods philosophy" to the point where they are saying, go
away ,puke, go away. This, of course, has nothing to do with you but is a
result of their being "urban anals". Must be deja vu all over again
the unknown flailer
More like they have spent a life time trying to get ahead of each
other and here comes a old boy who thinks its all a waste of time.
They get down right hostile
if you point out, they can't take it with them and all those material
things they lust after would probably burn up in hell anyway....So I
go "Lets kill one of these useless ass poodles yawl keep around and
have a BBQ. Geezer you would think I was talking about killing one of
their great grand children....These damn dogs they keep won't hunt and
don't work stock and here they are walking along behind them with
little baggies picking up every turd they drop...Damnedest thing I
ever saw....and if you say something casual like "Ain't you going to
wipe that dogs ass while your at it?" They get mad. Well all I can say
is get glad just like you got mad pilgrim. America's got homeless
families and hungry kids on its streets and you spend all that money
on a non working dog? City slickers, go figure ya South Beach dummy. I
suspect you will be hanging with the RV crowd
before I am again.....Prefer it out here in the woods, with like
thinking red necks myself 0~;-*
peanut4040
> Ah hell no, he's already about halfway through student status and has
> a skygoddy attitude....no way he's quitting, he's going to work out
> his problems or were going to keep helping him, that should be
> incentive enough for anyone to get over anything!
> bwooooooooohahahahahaha 0~;)
AWWW,, i dont know... I still aint shore if he is a real rookie, or a
B & C person, just brakig our balls pappy. Ive heard,, B & C like
to do that kinda internet thing.
the unknown flailer
Hard to tell, he got pretty damn mad when I pricked his ego.....could
be.
How many jumps does it take to get a C now? I know they raised the D
to 500
jumps----thats too too high if you ask me....300 would have been a
better choice
with membership falling off you don't want people getting flusterated
over getting their D number because they want to compete. Fricking
idiots on the BOD are they high on Krispy Creme donuts or what? ;)
ynotssor
ja...@james.james <ja...@james.james> wrote:
> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
You need to think about something else. Here're 61 "Things to Do" on the
ride to altitude:
1) Blow your nose and offer to show the contents of your kleenex to the
other jumpers.
2) Grimace painfully while smacking your forehead and muttering "Shut up,
damn it, all of you just SHUT UP!"
3) Whistle the first seven notes of "It's a Small World" incessantly.
4) Sell Girl Scout cookies.
5) Beat out bongo riffs on your helmet.
6) Unzip your jumpsuit part way, and while peering inside ask: "Got enough
air in there?"
7) One word: Flatulence.
8) Frown and mutter while squirming "gotta go, gotta go" then hold still,
sigh and say "oops!"
9) Show other jumpers a wound and ask if it looks infected.
10) Holler "There's a bump!" every time the plane encounters turbulence.
11) Carry a small ice chest that says "human head" on the side.
12) Stare at another jumper for a while, then announce "You're one of THEM!"
and then move to a different seating spot if available.
13) Ask each jumper if you can pull their reserve handle for them.
14) Wear a puppet on your hand and talk to the other jumpers "through" it.
15) Look around and ask "Is that your Dytter?"
16) Say "Announcing the Xth Floor!" every 1000 ft.
17) Listen to the cabin walls with a stethoscope.
18) Draw a little square on the floor with chalk and announce to the other
jumpers that this is your "personal space."
19) Ask the jumper next to you, "If you 'go in' in a forest, does it make a
sound?"
20) Take a bite of a sandwich and ask another jumper, "Waa see wha i muh
mouf?"
21) Announce in a demonic voice: "I must find a more suitable host body."
22) Make explosion noises.
23) Stare at your thumb and say "I think it's getting larger."
24) Sing "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" or "99 bottles of beer on the wall" in
round.
25) After seatbelts are off passing through 1000 ft, connect mismatching
pairs in consideration of the next load.
26) Ask about the in-flight beverage, meal and movie choices. Insist that
you were told a meal would be served when you bought your ticket.
27) When jump run is announced, stand up and yell "But I paid for a
round-trip ticket!"
28) Play "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe ..." while pointing at the reserve
handles of nearby jumpers.
29) Hum Gregorian chants.
30) When someone is spotting, point towards the horizon and innocently ask
"Is that Mexico?"
31) Moan, clutch your stomach, mutter "Oh no ... not now ..." and ask your
neighbor if you can borrow their full-face helmet.
32) Ask for Emergency Row seating.
33) After the first person exits, say "It's a bird, it's a plane, it's ...
OOOPS!"
34) Cough then mutter "Don't worry, the doctor said it can only be spread
through physical contact."
35) Pretend to pick lice out of your neighbor's hair and eat them.
36) Theorize incorrectly on why airplanes and ram-air parachutes actually
fly.
37) Bow down and grovel before the local skygod.
38) Play rock, paper, scissors - if no one will play with you then play
against yourself using both hands.
39) Hand out labels that say "Plan B - Part 1" and "Plan B - Part 2" for
everyones cutaway and reserve handles.
40) Have the other jumpers get the attention of the jumper furthest from
you, then wave and smile broadly at that person when they look at you.
41) Turn to a student and say "Don't worry, the engine sounds *much* better
than it did yesterday."
42) Sing "Edelweiss" and vehemently insist that the others join in.
43) Say to the jumper across from you, "All is readiness, Comrade. This time
we cannot fail!"
44) Pick your nose, then hold up your finger to another jumper with the
invitation: "Booger?"
45) Tell the jumper next to you that that skydiving is nothing compared to
the time when you were pinned down under a deadly hail of Jap fire.
46) Speak into your altimeter, then hold it to your ear while nodding
sagely.
47) Ask the other jumpers in a thick German accent for their tickets.
48) Shift around as you sit and tell the other jumpers that thongs are
over-rated.
49) Talk about the parachute equipment you purchased on the Home Shopping
Channel.
50) Sing "Rawhide" as the plane accelerates on takeoff roll.
51) Start a petition demanding more altitude.
52) Repetitively ask "Are we there yet?"
53) Tap furtively on the bulkhead and mutter "Now where's that secret
panel?"
54) Try to hyponotize the jumper across from you.
55) After you put your goggles on, act surprised and say hello to the person
across from you.
56) Give the jumper next to you a "Wet-Willy".
57) When the pilot announces jumprun advise the others to return their seats
and tray tables to a full, upright and locked position.
58) Bring your own joystick and pretend you're flying the plane.
59) Move your helmet past your neighbor's head and announce "The DeathStar
has cleared the planet!"
60) According to the stories of one of the jet loads at Quincy several years
ago ...
61) Solve quadratic equations aloud.
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
Hahahahahahha!!! Too funny! Me and Kim Brandt wrote that years ago
back in our first year of skydiving - I'd forgotten we did that. Both
Kim and I started jumping I think a week apart, Cool girl and a shit
hot skydiver.
Jerry
brokeneagle
> On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle <Eagleo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
> > Brokeneagle.
>
> is about jumping out of airplanes...Theirs no grading on a curve, Its
> pass or fail. Give them a few tips and what help you can but if they
> can't get a grip KICK THEM IN THE ASS. The key in this civilian
> sport is "ability to jump master self" If they can't develop the
> mental discipline to overcome problems & little built in mental block
> like being afraid of planes or the ride up.KICK THEM IN THE ASS and
> hand out what the Navy called a Administrative Drop unless you plan on
> holding their hand the rest of their lives. What are you some kind of
> touchy feely person? You want to hang with me on the same threads, try
> to act more like a by god old time kick ass and take names Petty
> Officer! ;-/
Sorry it took so long to reply; been working holiday panic hours for
three weeks now/too tired to get on computer... Yessir, as I can. I am
indeed guilty about admitting to empathy for fear-ridden folk; and I,
too, have a very strong lifelong fear of heights I fight back each
time I jump, so I also admit to being personally understanding about
this youngun's dilemma. I also try to teach/guide with positive
methods. It is the way I am, like the way you're a militarily-minded
person and speak as though I would know how to act like a Petty
Officer. Thank you for the undeserved ranking in your eyes, ... 'S
ok.
;D
the unknown flailer
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> like the way you're a militarily-minded
> person and speak as though I would know how to act like a Petty
> Officer.
>
> Happy Holidays- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, it takes years of training & experience 0~;)P
the unknown flailer
> On Dec 10, 1:09 am, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle <Eagleo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
> > > Brokeneagle.
>
> > HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy. This
> > is about jumping out of airplanes...Theirs no grading on a curve, Its
> > pass or fail. Give them a few tips and what help you can but if they
> > can't get a grip KICK THEM IN THE ASS. The key in this civilian
> > sport is "ability to jump master self" If they can't develop the
> > mental discipline to overcome problems & little built in mental block
> > like being afraid of planes or the ride up.KICK THEM IN THE ASS and
> > hand out what the Navy called a Administrative Drop unless you plan on
> > holding their hand the rest of their lives. What are you some kind of
> > touchy feely person? You want to hang with me on the same threads, try
> > to act more like a by god old time kick ass and take names Petty
> > Officer! ;-/
> I also admit to being personally understanding about
> this youngun's dilemma. I also try to teach/guide with positive
> methods. It is the way I am, like the way you're a militarily-minded
> person and speak as though I would know how to act like a Petty
> Officer. Thank you for the undeserved ranking in your eyes, ... 'S
> ok.
> ;D- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well you sound like a parent and thats a big part of a Petty Officers
function.
Take a shower, change uniforms, put on clean under ware while you're
at it, Get up, make up your bunk, take out the trash.....paint this,
paint that. Do this do that and as a P.O. you are going to hear every
excuse under the sun....Only difference between a civilian parent and
a good Petty Officers is "The only excuse is no excuse!" A P,O, has
the advantage of having been a Seaman and used the same excuses you're
using so its hard to run anything around them. Afraid of something?
Theirs a good chance the petty officer was also at one time so he will
probably try to help by kicking your ass over or past what ever fear
is blocking your process. Sick? like a parent the P.O. will see you
get medical attention by sending you to sickbay....Go on sick call in
the Navy and you better be sick or its your ass! The Corpsmen get
tired of seeing the same guys in the sickbay line all the time. So its
a good time for them to check your shot records and catch you up on
the needle work, give you a pecker check or look up your ass. ;) You
are probably sick by the time you get out of there I guarantee. Most
problems other than a high temperature, open wound or bone sticking
out of a leg or arm are handled with 2 APC's and a shot of vile
tasting shit called G.I. cough syurp...Any problem you have, any thing
you need goes through your Petty Officer he has or had whats called a
chit book....
"Got a letter from my Mom, my parakeet died!"
"Heres a chit, go see the Chaplain."
"My pays messed up!"
"Here's a chit go see somebody in Disbursing."
"I think I broke my finger, toe or rib."
"Heres a chit, go to sickbay."
"What, you pulled my liberty card? Put me on mess cooking, a working
party and gave me the weekend duty? I hate you!"
"Heres a chit kid, stick it up your ass!" 0~;-)
brokeneagle
> person and speak as though I would know how to act like a Petty
> Officer.
>
> Happy Holidays
LOL!!! You're right about that! Thank you, Chuck- (hug) Happy Holidays
to you and your family-- and to the rest of you crazy-assed skyfolk!
Miss you guys-
brokeneagle
We have an inventory guy at work who speaks often of his 'years of
experience and training'..... newbies flock to him.
brokeneagle
Ohhhh, I see- so a Petty Officer is someone who gives a chit? ;D
brokeneagle
> function.
Yes, dear, I AM a parent; (just another mother on this usenet group)-
's why I sound like one. My children are grown and married, an' my
grandkids like to come out to the DZ and watch Nana jump.
the unknown flailer
No matter how old your kids are, your probably still trying to tell
them where to get off the bus. Or at least worrying about them, wait
till you get my age. Who's the parent gets reversed. They start
treating you like a child & try to run your life. I have a daughter in
San Antonio....she calls me long distance and tries to boss me around
on a weekly basis, like thats going to work on a old rascal like me.
"Yes, I'm taking my medicine."
"I don't give a damn what the Doctor said, I've out lived 4 of them!"
"No, I'm not playing the widow women against each other again!"
"No, I'm not hanging around with those other old trouble makers!" 0~;->
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
More like runs your life for what can seem forever....You get a good
one, you will most likely end up at least a 3.8 sailor and good man on
down the line. Get a bad one and you will probably never square away
or amount to much in the service or life. They can make you or break
you its a tough love kind of experience....Since you are a granny now
I suppose you're a softy, spoil them, then send them back to their
parents---------Thats called revenge. <eg>
I'm still somewhat a toughie:
I don't care how deep that water is or that a turtle is going to bite
your toes off, Get out there in it, you wanted to come to the swiming
hole!
You got a BO BO? Walk it off.
I'm a mean old man? Heres a chit, go see your momma! 0~;)P
brokeneagle
you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough... and
stupid usually happens VERY fast in skydiving- ;D
the unknown flailer
> Yes, in skydiving as in all other things on this earth so far, if
~or lucky~
;-*
brokeneagle
or both-
the unknown flailer
The ground work for good luck can be laid with forethought, toughness
can be built by enduring suffering and pain but true luck? Spit in one
hand, wish for luck in the other and see which one fills up first. ;)P
the unknown flailer
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> > you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> > I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> > the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
> > it become non existent?
> James
> I know I'm rather new to this group, but I used to have the same fear
> as you. I got over it by talking with my buddy about what potentially
> could really happen to me while I'm going up in the plane. After alot
> of analysis,
Analysis is a lot like a computer.....Garbage in garbage out kid.
> we concluded that if you have a secure pack on your back,
> you are doing the safest thing possible for yourself at the time. If
> your plane goes down, you're fine. You just jump.
Not nesssesararly...think about this Dan:
#1 Did the pilot in charge give permission to exit?
Probably not, because they usually scream SET STILL or oh shit!
#2 Who goes first?
You may well condemn all of those behind you to death. Can you live
with that?
As soon as people rush the door..CG is completely gone and the pilot
has no chance of regaining control of its flight characteristics &
leveling out.
#3 Do you have enough ground clearance to get canopy?
The R3 reserve I used in the 1990's required 500 ft. of ground
clearance to inflate and fly properly, what does yours require?
Most jump planes flying at maximum loads will roll over and/or go into
a flat spin, Your parachute ain't going to work if your pinned inside
the cabin by centrifugal force, Just a few helpful thoughts from a
caring old Chief. heh heh 0~;->
the unknown flailer
> Hi,
>
> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
I read somewhere, fear of heights only works if you are on something
attached to earth....It does not translate at jump altitudes. There
you have more of a fear your equipment might not function properly
than anything else.
I've given your problem some thought and have to call bullshit on that
fear of heights thing you are hiding behind. You made the first jump
then 9 more so fear of heights don't correlate. You just have student
jitters IMHO. And that fear of airplane thing?
Its a control issue, type A's have a driving need to be in control.
You have no control once you climb on that plane, not even control
over the door.....you are just jammed in there like a hog going to
market....That just eats your lunch, once the door goes up and you are
allowed out its OK again right? You said I was a troll. True I like to
slap self possessed dummy's around & shake people up but only to see
past the bullshit veneer most weniers wear for protection and into
their hearts and minds
Relax, let the pilot do his or her job----you concentrate on the
jump! 0~;)P
peanut4040
> Innews:afe4l3p86qern4i9j...@4ax.com,
Chit ppay,, I aint done 75% of that chit in 12 years.. BUT I did keep
the list, just in case I need it for ideas one day.
the unknown flailer
Speaking of which, before you get involved in the John Bell Hood and
his Texas Calvary argument----let me point out a few things.
The rest of the Calvary were from Tennessee and Alabama
They were considered mounted Rifles because they didn't ride as well
as Texans.
Matter of fact I heard the Alabama Rifles kept falling off their
horses
Morsby took in the best of the Tennessee Calvary because they didn't
want to be associated with hillbilly's who couldn't stay in the saddle
and ran from cows
Texas carried the Confederate Calvary and John Bell Hood. Sing three
bars of Dixie for the Texas Nut boy! 0~;-)
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Dec 17, 8:38 pm, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
>
>Speaking of which, before you get involved in the John Bell Hood and
>his Texas Calvary argument----let me point out a few things.
>
>The rest of the Calvary were from Tennessee and Alabama
Bullshit - the "rest of the Calvary," aside from Texas, Tennessee, and
Alabama, came out of Arkansas, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana,
Maryland, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and
Virginia, dumbass.
>They were considered mounted Rifles because they didn't ride as well
>as Texans.
So, how do you explain: the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (McCulloch's)
1st Mounted Riflemen, the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (Yager's) 1st
Mounted Rifles, the 2nd Regiment Texas Cavalry 2nd Mounted Rifles, the
3rd Battalion Texas Cavalry 3rd Battalion Mounted Rifles, the 8th
Battalion Texas Cavalry Taylor's Battalion Mounted Rifles, and the
17th (Consolidated) Regiment Texas Dismounted Cavalry, dumbass?
>
>Matter of fact I heard the Alabama Rifles kept falling off their
>horses
You're just blowing gas, dummy - there was no Alabama cavalry known as
"the Alabama Rifles" - unlike five of the Texas cavalry regiments and
battalions who were "mounted rifles."
>Morsby took in the best of the Tennessee Calvary because they didn't
>want to be associated with hillbilly's who couldn't stay in the saddle
>and ran from cows
Mosby? What does Mosby have to do with this?
>
>Texas carried the Confederate Calvary
Bullshit. There were more than five times the number of cavalry from
other Confederate states than came from Texas, dumbass.
>and John Bell Hood.
More bullshit. Hood's Texas Brigade had one (count 'em) ~one~
battalion of cavalry and it came from Georgia and was not, even then,
under the direct command of Hood. The rest of his command at that
time was infantry out of Texas, Georgia, and Arkansas - and none of
it, aside from that lone battalion out of Georgia, was cavalry,
dumbass.
>Sing three
>bars of Dixie for the Texas Nut boy!
Nevermind that Dixie was written by a Yankee.
...bsrp
...jlk
peanut4040
John Bell hood was left to pick up the pieces when Bragg FELL TO
PIECES. John Hood could not walk because of a leg injury when they
gave him command,
Note,, this happened about the time when FORREST, told Bragg, that he
(BRAGG) could give him all the orders he wanted,,, BECAUSE he wasn't
following them. Special note, that Bragg had previously depleted his
ranks by giving his deserters to ,,, awww whats his name? the
southern turncoat Alabama guy in the spanish american war.
Now as far as Mosby's Calvary-- Mosby was still a good loyal soldiier
follwing orders that WERE BAD. He was a dumbass, and thats what got
him drug though the streets by yankees in the end of the war. They
were basturds to do that. Took several days to get the great white
ghosts remains for burial by th family.
Face it,,, Hood did not have a chance by the time he got Mosbys
raiders. And they were only good at raiding, not intelligence
gathering, as calvary was used by the big armys at the time.
because by that time,,, THE YANKESSS WERE EVERYWHERE.
peanut4040
>
> So, how do you explain: �the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (McCulloch's)
> 1st Mounted Riflemen, the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (Yager's) 1st
> Mounted Rifles, the 2nd Regiment Texas Cavalry 2nd Mounted Rifles, the
> 3rd Battalion Texas Cavalry 3rd Battalion Mounted Rifles, the 8th
> Battalion Texas Cavalry Taylor's Battalion Mounted Rifles, and the
> 17th (Consolidated) Regiment Texas Dismounted Cavalry, dumbass?
>
>
>
> >Matter of fact I heard the Alabama Rifles kept falling off their
> >horses
>
> You're just blowing gas, dummy - there was no Alabama cavalry known as
> "the Alabama Rifles" - unlike five of the Texas cavalry regiments and
> battalions who were "mounted rifles."
>
> >Morsby took in the best of the Tennessee Calvary because they didn't
> >want to be associated with hillbilly's who couldn't stay in the saddle
> >and ran from cows
>
> Mosby? �What does Mosby have to do with this?
Mosby's was operating north of Tennessee. I don't know for sure if
he was part of the final Hood Effort, when shit was hitting the fant.
I believed that Mosby died in Kentucky. When Bragg turned everything
over to him to take the fall---Hoods last stand was in North bama
tennesse georgia. I could be wrong.
>
> More bullshit. �Hood's Texas Brigade had one (count 'em) ~one~
> battalion of cavalry and it came from Georgia and was not, even then,
> under the direct command of Hood. �The rest of his command at that
> time was infantry out of Texas, Georgia, and Arkansas - and none of
> it, aside from that lone battalion out of Georgia, was cavalry,
> dumbass.
>
Bragg did put him (Hood) in charge at the end of the war,,, I believe
thats what pappy is referring to. In that the TRUE southern troops
let him down. But LLL, by that time, Forrest was running from GA,
and got caught in Bama./ The boy ran fast.
peanut4040
Just remember "Joe wheeler" was the name of the kiss ass general
that Bragg gave Forrest troops too. They got a good surrender.
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:43:38 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> >On Dec 17, 8:38 pm, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
>
> >Speaking of which, before you get involved in the John Bell Hood and
> >his Texas Calvary argument----let me point out a few things.
>
> >The rest of the Calvary were from Tennessee and Alabama
>
> Bullshit - the "rest of the Calvary," aside from Texas, Tennessee, and
> Alabama, came out of Arkansas, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana,
> Maryland, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and
> Virginia, dumbass.
The other Southern Generals needed Calvary I suspect
>
> >They were considered mounted Rifles because they didn't ride as well
> >as Texans.
>
> So, how do you explain: the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (McCulloch's)
> 1st Mounted Riflemen, the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (Yager's) 1st
> Mounted Rifles, the 2nd Regiment Texas Cavalry 2nd Mounted Rifles, the
> 3rd Battalion Texas Cavalry 3rd Battalion Mounted Rifles, the 8th
> Battalion Texas Cavalry Taylor's Battalion Mounted Rifles, and the
> 17th (Consolidated) Regiment Texas Dismounted Cavalry, dumbass?
>
>
>
> >Matter of fact I heard the Alabama Rifles kept falling off their
> >horses
>
> You're just blowing gas, dummy - there was no Alabama cavalry known as
> "the Alabama Rifles" - unlike five of the Texas cavalry regiments and
> battalions who were "mounted rifles."
Yeah, once the Texas Calvary got down south, some high faulting
General probably said. Hell, you boys don't fall off horses like those
Alabama hillbilly's so your straight calvary. Mounted rifles I see as
the equivalent of modern mechanized infantry, they rode to the fight
then got off and fought as Infantry. Texans much like the Comanche who
they learned from in pre civil war skirmishes fought from the saddle
>
> >Morsby took in the best of the Tennessee Calvary because they didn't
> >want to be associated with hillbilly's who couldn't stay in the saddle
> >and ran from milk cows
>
>
>
> >Texas carried the Confederate Calvary
>
> Bullshit. There were more than five times the number of cavalry from
> other Confederate states than came from Texas, dumbass.
Well J.E.B. Steward and Picket needed Calvary, didn't they?
>
> >and John Bell Hood.
>
> More bullshit. Hood's Texas Brigade had one (count 'em) ~one~
> battalion of cavalry and it came from Georgia dumbass.
Because they rode like Texans most likely
>
> >Sing three
> >bars of Dixie for the Texas Nut boy!
>
> Nevermind that Dixie was written by a Yankee.
>
Nope Lee was a Yankee and we didn't mind that did we?.
~I can put spin on anything kid, give up~
the unknown flailer
> Just remember "Joe wheeler" was the name of the kiss ass general
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am sorry to inform you that Army & Marine Corps Generals like the
Navy Master Chief rank is usually a kiss ass slot. Get that high and
its mostly about politics anyway. ;)P
sky...@pdq.net
<peanu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> So, how do you explain: ?the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (McCulloch's)
>> 1st Mounted Riflemen, the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (Yager's) 1st
>> Mounted Rifles, the 2nd Regiment Texas Cavalry 2nd Mounted Rifles, the
>> 3rd Battalion Texas Cavalry 3rd Battalion Mounted Rifles, the 8th
>> Battalion Texas Cavalry Taylor's Battalion Mounted Rifles, and the
>> 17th (Consolidated) Regiment Texas Dismounted Cavalry, dumbass?
>>
>>
>>
>> >Matter of fact I heard the Alabama Rifles kept falling off their
>> >horses
>>
>> You're just blowing gas, dummy - there was no Alabama cavalry known as
>> "the Alabama Rifles" - unlike five of the Texas cavalry regiments and
>> battalions who were "mounted rifles."
>>
>> >Morsby took in the best of the Tennessee Calvary because they didn't
>> >want to be associated with hillbilly's who couldn't stay in the saddle
>> >and ran from cows
>>
>> Mosby? ?What does Mosby have to do with this?
>
>Mosby's was operating north of Tennessee. I don't know for sure if
>he was part of the final Hood Effort, when shit was hitting the fant.
Mosby operated in Northern Virginia about 200 miles or more away from
Tennessee. Call that Virginia Cavalry about as far north as you
could be ibn Virginia and significantly east of Tennessee. They were
not part of the final Hood effort as Hood was commanding the Army of
the Tennessee until the end came when what was left of that Army was
in Mississippi and what was left of Mosby's command was trying to
reach Johnston in North Carolina.
>I believed that Mosby died in Kentucky.
No, Mosby died many years later after the war in Washington.
>When Bragg turned everything
>over to him to take the fall--
The thing is, Bragg turned everything over - that is, he resigned
after Chattanooga but Hood didn't take command - Johnston took command
- not Hood. Hood took command later - in Atlanta.
>-Hoods last stand was in North bama
>tennesse georgia. I could be wrong.
Hood had no last stand. He got whipped at Nashville and was in
Mississippi with orders to form another army when the surrender
occurred. As for Bragg, after his resignation he went to Richmond and
later commanded a corps under Johnston.
>>
>> More bullshit. ?Hood's Texas Brigade had one (count 'em) ~one~
>> battalion of cavalry and it came from Georgia and was not, even then,
>> under the direct command of Hood. ?The rest of his command at that
>> time was infantry out of Texas, Georgia, and Arkansas - and none of
>> it, aside from that lone battalion out of Georgia, was cavalry,
>> dumbass.
>>
>
>Bragg did put him (Hood) in charge at the end of the war,,,
No - sorry. Braxton resigned after Chattanooga and was replaced by
Johnston.
>I believe
>thats what pappy is referring to.
Even if Bragg did put Hood in charge - which he didn't - the closest
Hood came to having what he calls "Hood's cavalry" was very early in
the war commanding his Texas Brigade where there was ~one~ battalion
of cavalry in that brigade - and that battalion came out of Georgia -
Colonel Wade Hampton commanding, and this battalion was, along with
the its three companies of cavalry, comprised of infantry and
artillery.
>In that the TRUE southern troops
>let him down.
I disagree - Hood was outnumbered and outgeneraled at Nashville. It
wasn't the troops.
>But LLL, by that time, Forrest was running from GA,
>and got caught in Bama./ The boy ran fast.
Sorry Nut - not the way it happened. Forrest was with what was left
of the Army of Tennessee at that time as rearguard during its retreat
out of Nashville to Mississippi. The following year Forest got
whipped in Alabama - which is where he ultimately surrendered - but he
didn't get caught at all. The forces he was fighting in Alabama were
striking for Selma and Mobile - not specifically for Forrest.
-Jerry
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:36:34 -0800 (PST), peanut4040
>
>
>
>
>
> <peanut4...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> So, how do you explain: ?the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (McCulloch's)
> >> 1st Mounted Riflemen, the 1st Regiment Texas Cavalry (Yager's) 1st
> >> Mounted Rifles, the 2nd Regiment Texas Cavalry 2nd Mounted Rifles, the
> >> 3rd Battalion Texas Cavalry 3rd Battalion Mounted Rifles, the 8th
> >> Battalion Texas Cavalry Taylor's Battalion Mounted Rifles, and the
> >> 17th (Consolidated) Regiment Texas Dismounted Cavalry, dumbass?
>
> >> >Matter of fact I heard the Alabama Rifles kept falling off their
> >> >horses
>
> >> You're just blowing gas, dummy - there was no Alabama cavalry known as
> >> "the Alabama Rifles" - unlike five of the Texas cavalry regiments and
> >> battalions who were "mounted rifles."
>
> >> >Morsby took in the best of the Tennessee Calvary because they didn't
> >> >want to be associated with hillbilly's who couldn't stay in the saddle
> >> >and ran from cows
>
> >> Mosby? ?What does Mosby have to do with this?
>
> >thats what pappy is referring to.
Nah, I just like to twist Jerry's tail to hear him yowl ;)
>
> Even if Bragg did put Hood in charge - which he didn't - the closest
> Hood came to having what he calls "Hood's cavalry" was very early in
> the war commanding his Texas Brigade where there was ~one~ battalion
> of cavalry in that brigade - and that battalion came out of Georgia -
> Colonel Wade Hampton commanding, and this battalion was, along with
> the its three companies of cavalry, comprised of infantry and
> artillery.
Ever wonder why it was called the Texas Brigade? Hood preferred Texas
Calvary, matter of fact he Borgated them, thats why one of the Souths
best raiders Morsby ended up with none in Northern Virginia. Its
called RHIP in military circles. ;)P
sky...@pdq.net
<peanu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of which, before you get involved in the John Bell Hood and
>> his Texas Calvary argument----let me point out a few things.
>>
>> The rest of the Calvary were from Tennessee and Alabama
>> They were considered mounted Rifles because they didn't ride as well
>> as Texans.
>>
>> Matter of fact I heard the Alabama Rifles kept falling off their
>> horses
>> Morsby took in the best of the Tennessee Calvary because they didn't
>> want to be associated with hillbilly's who couldn't stay in the saddle
>> and ran from cows
>>
>> Texas carried the Confederate Calvary and John Bell Hood. Sing three
>> bars of Dixie for the Texas Nut boy! 0~;-)
>
>John Bell hood was left to pick up the pieces when Bragg FELL TO
>PIECES. John Hood could not walk because of a leg injury when they
>gave him command,
Nope - Johnston took command after Bragg resigned.
>
>Note,, this happened about the time when FORREST, told Bragg, that he
>(BRAGG) could give him all the orders he wanted,,, BECAUSE he wasn't
>following them. Special note, that Bragg had previously depleted his
>ranks by giving his deserters to ,,, awww whats his name? the
>southern turncoat Alabama guy in the spanish american war.
Forrest's beef with Bragg had to do primarlily with Bragg's failure to
move to retake Chattanooga, past demonstrated military incompetence,
and overly strict methods of discipline - plus, Bragg wasn't a
particularly pleasant person to serve under and he wasn't particularly
imaginative in battle.
>
>Now as far as Mosby's Calvary-- Mosby was still a good loyal soldiier
>follwing orders that WERE BAD. He was a dumbass, and thats what got
>him drug though the streets by yankees in the end of the war. They
>were basturds to do that. Took several days to get the great white
>ghosts remains for burial by th family.
Sorry Nut - you're misinformed - Mosby died in 1916.
>
>Face it,,, Hood did not have a chance by the time he got Mosbys
>raiders.
Hood never had Mosby's raiders. Mosby operated exclusively in the
Northern Virginia area while Hood commanded in Georgia, Tennessee, and
Mississippi.
>And they were only good at raiding, not intelligence
>gathering, as calvary was used by the big armys at the time.
>because by that time,,, THE YANKESSS WERE EVERYWHERE.
Sorry Nut - Stuart had Mosby organize what would become the 43rd
Battalion of Virginia Cavalry, a guerrilla operations corps that
performed covert raids inside Union territory. The Battalion provided
General Lee with valuable reconnaissance leading to the Confederate
army's capture of thousands of Union soldiers and Union supplies worth
several hundred thousand dollars. It wasn't just raids and and train
robberies.
Jerry
sky...@pdq.net
<peanu...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Dec 18, 7:31?pm, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > Speaking of which, before you get involved in the John Bell Hood and
>> > his Texas Calvary argument----let me point out a few things.
>>
>> > The rest of the Calvary were from Tennessee and Alabama
>> > They were considered mounted Rifles because they didn't ride as well
>> > as Texans.
>>
>> > Matter of fact I heard the Alabama Rifles kept falling off their
>> > horses
>> > Morsby took in the best of the Tennessee Calvary because they didn't
>> > want to be associated with hillbilly's who couldn't stay in the saddle
>> > and ran from cows
>>
>> > Texas carried the Confederate Calvary and John Bell Hood. Sing three
>> > bars of Dixie for the Texas Nut boy! 0~;-)
>>
>> John Bell hood was left to pick up the pieces when Bragg FELL TO
>> PIECES. ?John Hood could not walk because of a leg injury when they
>> gave him command,
>>
>> Note,, this happened about the time when FORREST, ?told Bragg, that he
>> (BRAGG) could give him all the orders he wanted,,, BECAUSE he wasn't
>> following them. ?Special note, that Bragg had previously depleted his
>> ranks by giving his deserters to ,,, awww whats his name? ? the
>> southern turncoat ?Alabama guy in the spanish american war.
>>
>> Now as far as Mosby's Calvary-- ?Mosby was still a good loyal soldiier
>> follwing orders that WERE BAD. ?He was a dumbass, and thats what got
>> him drug though the streets by yankees in the end of the war. ?They
>> were basturds to do that. ?Took several days to get the great white
>> ghosts remains for burial by th family.
>>
>> Face it,,, Hood did not have a chance by the time he got Mosbys
>> raiders. ? And they were only good at raiding, not intelligence
>> gathering, ?as calvary was used by the big armys at the time.
>> because by that time,,, THE YANKESSS WERE EVERYWHERE.
>
>
>
>Just remember "Joe wheeler" was the name of the kiss ass general
>that Bragg gave Forrest troops too. They got a good surrender.
Forrest was ordered to do that but it never happened. Forrest
threatened Bragg with bodily harm and Bragg never reported it -
Forrest was too important - and Forrest was assigned, with his troops,
further west and not under Wheeler while Bragg resigned after
Chattanooga fell.
Jerry