tracking for distance...
nolowe
minus the forward throw of the plane....
from 2 miles up....
deploying at 1 mile...
can one guesstimate that you can track a mile?
Livendive
Blues,
Dave
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Peter Lucas
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What was the tracking range of the BatSuit?
D22369
Roy R. Springer
D-22369
Chewie
A very good tracker, in no wind condition, with a very tigh jumpsuit
and booties will probably do a bit more. I got some input about this
last time we discussed this on the ng. The best figures i got were
something like:
Exit: 13500 feet
Opening: 5000 feet
vertical distance: 8500 feet
horizontal distance: 2 miles
The smartasses who decided to use feet for vertical distances and miles
for horizontal distances will tell you the ratio.
--
Chewie [beer adjudicator]
LMELLONCSA
around 2 1/2 miles if you are really good. Most fit people will go about 1 1/2
miles. The winner of the Last Gasp Tracking Contest at Spaceland (booties
division) made a bit over 2 miles last year. Winner of the no-booties division
made about 1 1/2 miles, as did second place in the booties division.
LM
Chewie
So what's the ratio :-)
I'm quite surprised by the difference between the booties max and the
no-booties max. was the winner in the booties division a much better
tracker than the no-booties winner?
--
Chewie [beer adjudicator]
mo ghile meer
refusing to let go till the plane dives at the runway don't try a student hang
or the dip-ass pilot may shake ewe off in the turning dive....piss's off most
pilots but its cheaper than one of them new fangled french suits....TELL ME I
AIN'T A SLICK OLD BASTARD man cud I hose a load of skygods even heh heh
heh!!!!!! ;->
((BUT))
What the hell do I know
I went S/L twice ;o)
mo ghile meer
(Chewie) writes:
>lmell...@aol.com (LMELLONCSA) wrote
>> Actually, from 13,500, if you open around 2500,
HEY.....quit tracking & work on---------> LEARN TO SPOT!!!!
Bwooooohahahahahahahahaha <;>
UnderstndingPain
HEY.....quit tracking & work on---------> LEARN TO SPOT!!!!
Bwooooohahahahahahahahaha <;> >>
regardless, tracking is a necessary skill, dummy
freak d
Livendive
Roy aka "D22369" <d22...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Dont be shy Dave, for a fat bastard you have a rocking track!!!!!
Shhh...You're gonna spoil the excuse all them other fat bastards use for why
they can't track worth a damn. How dare you insinuate it might be a
function of technique and effort.
Blues,
Dave
Ann Poblenz
he was making a funny!!!!
sitflyr
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You're new here, arencha? (FYI---"Bwooooohahahahahahahahaha" is an
indication of "Just kiddin'.")
Julie
LMELLONCSA
tracker I have ever seen, with one possible exception.
Lee Mc.
mo ghile meer
writes:
>HEY.....quit tracking & work on---------> LEARN TO SPOT!!!!
>> Bwooooohahahahahahahahaha <;> >>
>>
>>
>> regardless, tracking is a necessary skill, dummy
>>
>> freak d
>
>You're new here, arencha? (FYI---"Bwooooohahahahahahahahaha" is an
>indication of "Just kiddin'.")
>
>Julie
in my case Julie... its prolly evil laughter & btw freak d ewe don't have to
track 2 miles to git clear air unless theirs a lotta low skill people who
cain't git in or even stay close to the formation on the load & yew artta not
be tracking to or down the runway like a sheep if thats the jumpline
anyway....oh thats right yawl are funnelbutt flyers, better track to the next
county Bwoooohahahaha ;-P
kallend
mo ghile meer wrote:
>
> In article <a8g5a...@enews2.newsguy.com>, "sitflyr" <sit...@yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> >HEY.....quit tracking & work on---------> LEARN TO SPOT!!!!
> >> Bwooooohahahahahahahahaha <;> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> regardless, tracking is a necessary skill, dummy
> >>
> >> freak d
> >
> >You're new here, arencha? (FYI---"Bwooooohahahahahahahahaha" is an
> >indication of "Just kiddin'.")
> >
> >Julie
>
> in my case Julie... its prolly evil laughter & btw freak d ewe don't have to
> track 2 miles to git clear air unless theirs a lotta low skill people who
> cain't git in
Apparently you've not been on a 200+ way.
freeflyer
>
>>in my case Julie... its prolly evil laughter & btw freak d ewe don't have to
>>track 2 miles to git clear air unless theirs a lotta low skill people who
>>cain't git in
>>
>
>
> Apparently you've not been on a 200+ way.
You mean you tracked for 2 miles during a 200+ way? Did you
even see the base? :o)
--
Espen
ALF#1
kallend
freeflyer wrote:
>
> kallend wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>in my case Julie... its prolly evil laughter & btw freak d ewe don't have to
> >>track 2 miles to git clear air unless theirs a lotta low skill people who
> >>cain't git in
> >>
> >
> >
> > Apparently you've not been on a 200+ way.
>
> You mean you tracked for 2 miles during a 200+ way? Did you
> even see the base? :o)
>
Take a look at
http://www.skeff.com/2k300sitex.htm
I'm one of the dots under the DC3 on the far left of the picture. Damn
long way up hill to the base!
If Snuffy had to track 2 miles to get clear of the low skill people on
his jumps, their skills as trackers can't be too bad.
freeflyer
>
>>>>in my case Julie... its prolly evil laughter & btw freak d ewe don't have to
>>>>track 2 miles to git clear air unless theirs a lotta low skill people who
>>>>cain't git in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Apparently you've not been on a 200+ way.
>>>
>>You mean you tracked for 2 miles during a 200+ way? Did you
>>even see the base? :o)
>>
>>
>
> Take a look at
>
> http://www.skeff.com/2k300sitex.htm
>
> I'm one of the dots under the DC3 on the far left of the picture. Damn
> long way up hill to the base!
I'd be willing to bet a case of beer that it's a long shot
from 2 miles though. Or did the pilots really suck? :o)
> If Snuffy had to track 2 miles to get clear of the low skill people on
> his jumps, their skills as trackers can't be too bad.
Ever see those guys backtrack? Zoooooooooooooom! :o)
kallend
freeflyer wrote:
>
> kallend wrote:
>
> >
> >>>>in my case Julie... its prolly evil laughter & btw freak d ewe don't have to
> >>>>track 2 miles to git clear air unless theirs a lotta low skill people who
> >>>>cain't git in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Apparently you've not been on a 200+ way.
> >>>
> >>You mean you tracked for 2 miles during a 200+ way? Did you
> >>even see the base? :o)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Take a look at
> >
> > http://www.skeff.com/2k300sitex.htm
> >
> > I'm one of the dots under the DC3 on the far left of the picture. Damn
> > long way up hill to the base!
>
> I'd be willing to bet a case of beer that it's a long shot
> from 2 miles though. Or did the pilots really suck? :o)
>
I grant that it wasn't 2 miles to get in, the pilots were pretty damn
good. The DC3 was about 1/4 mile behind the lead Otter and 500' below.
But I still dispute Snuffy's frequently made claim that flat tracking
isn't important. With over 200 people in the air with you, it's
extremely important. The outer wacker broke off at 7,000 and tracked to
2,000, so I'd bet that we all covered 3/4 mile or more.
Livendive
"freeflyer" <free...@freeflyer.no> wrote in message
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> kallend wrote:
>
> >
> >>>>in my case Julie... its prolly evil laughter & btw freak d ewe don't
have to
> >>>>track 2 miles to git clear air unless theirs a lotta low skill people
who
> >>>>cain't git in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Apparently you've not been on a 200+ way.
> >>>
> >>You mean you tracked for 2 miles during a 200+ way? Did you
> >>even see the base? :o)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Take a look at
> >
> > http://www.skeff.com/2k300sitex.htm
> >
> > I'm one of the dots under the DC3 on the far left of the picture. Damn
> > long way up hill to the base!
>
> I'd be willing to bet a case of beer that it's a long shot
> from 2 miles though. Or did the pilots really suck? :o)
If he got out at 19,000 feet and tracked until he got close, at somewhere
around 8000 feet, then he did track for 2 miles. :-)
Blues,
Dave
mo ghile meer
writes:
>in my case Julie... its prolly evil laughter & btw freak d ewe don't have to
>>>track 2 miles to git clear air unless theirs a lotta low skill people who
>>>cain't git in
>>>
>>
>>
sum sheep poofer remarked;
>> Apparently you've not been on a 200+ way.
>
Geezus that must have been a dicey breakoff cuz skydivers are prone to
overestimate their skills, btw has the USPA created an award for 200 ways or is
the Silver Falcon and Golden Eagle still the big two? I imagine 200 ways are
just an attempt to make money while proving Darwins theory, you must be talking
to Epen or Julie putting 2 or 3 peoples quotes in one post confuses me on just
who's talking to who, if the remarks for me.......no......... I'm just an olden
time fun jumper, besides we cuddn't get enuff Cessna's together to support the
Otter for a major ego jump like a 200-way which btw at the time was the first
and only Otter in Texas I do believe, besides few of us owned booties and/or
FXC's outside those new fangled AFF/JM's and of course the deguello 20-way
people, There was a 42 person piston Caraboo up in North Texas somewhere that
came down a few times, mostly in the early to middle 90's after more people
started buying Cypress's & used FXC's became easy to obtain, we did a couple of
36 ways out of it at a boogie once trying to get SilverFalcons but it wuz rear
ramp & the dead air off the ramp kept screwing the "got to hang a rail or I
cain't do it!" AFF types up, it also cuddn't or wouldn't fly formation with a
turbine and by the time their were enuff Otters in Texas & CASA's passing thru
to do something big I was too smart to git involved in bigger cluster foks than
a 36 way which I only did to study human nature & group social dynamics as a
hobby.....skydiving was a fertile field.....the best & worst of human nature,
who knows I might have eventually went to Chicago to Audit the megaways in
order to get a bigger group dynamic & any added effect on the type A's
regression but prolly not because I came to luv & understand the Texas
skygods.... although they were mostly city people they were from my tribe, let
sumbody else study the Yankee's problems, which cain't be that different cuz a
skydiver is a skydiver is a skydiver & their often wrapped a bit tight. In the
military some difference was noticeable between regional types until they were
broken down by training and the system the results tribal....but a redneck
could still easily be identified as redneck southern or not, the accent was
just different but a redneck is still a redneck & the same applys to all the
type's by class, yankee's just seemed to be be wrapped the tightest as I always
secretly suspected, that cud mean a yankee skydiver is wraped double
tight....who knows their are anomalies I'll never find out about now cuz I'm
retired but this I do know----> a poofer is often a ponpous ass, ponpous ass,
pompous ass but in the end just another lab rat for me <eg>;)~~
freeflyer
>
>>I'd be willing to bet a case of beer that it's a long shot
>>from 2 miles though. Or did the pilots really suck? :o)
>>
>>
>
> I grant that it wasn't 2 miles to get in, the pilots were pretty damn
> good. The DC3 was about 1/4 mile behind the lead Otter and 500' below.
Phew! I was afraid I'd have to bring another case to CF ;o)
> But I still dispute Snuffy's frequently made claim that flat tracking
> isn't important.
You're not alone on that one. I bet Jerry agrees with you as
well ;o)
Livendive
> kallend wrote:
<snip>
> > But I still dispute Snuffy's frequently made claim that flat tracking
> > isn't important.
>
> You're not alone on that one. I bet Jerry agrees with you as
> well ;o)
Jerry? Disagree with Snuffy?! C'mon now, everyone here knows that'll never
happen.
Blues,
Dave
ynotssor
[...]
> I grant that it wasn't 2 miles to get in, the pilots were pretty
> damn good. The DC3 was about 1/4 mile behind the lead
> Otter and 500' below. But I still dispute Snuffy's frequently
> made claim that flat tracking isn't important. With over 200
> people in the air with you, it's extremely important. The
> outer wacker broke off at 7,000 and tracked to 2,000, so I'd
> bet that we all covered 3/4 mile or more.
I have a saying that I try to impress on those who are new to participating in
big ways:
"It's not getting _INTO_ the trap that stumps the mouse ..."
By that I mean that there are a great many people who have the ability to fly a
fairly precise path to the formation, take their grips in a timely fashion
while "DWI" (Deal With It!). The greatest potential for problems that kill
comes during the breakoff, as we've seen too many times.
A person who is unable to flat-track according to the prescribed program and
pull at the designated distance/altitude is usually not on the next load.
tony
mo ghile meer
<live...@aol.com> writes:
> But I still dispute Snuffy's frequently made claim that flat tracking
>> > isn't important.
>>
>> You're not alone on that one. I bet Jerry agrees with you as
>> well ;o)
thats because neither one of them read correctly so as to better jump to a
wrong conclusion, ain't that the skygod way?....those are tracking contest &
birdman shit type tracking they were trying to attach to being important to
formation flying I wuz low rating it mainly because I view it as just more
people who won't or cain't put in the hard work or have the teamwork
personality to learn & do tight formation work, the rules for out & lurking so
they go off and pratice solo shit plus their are variations of tracking
techniques, I used the two main ones but prefered down ending in a barrelroll
to git under the traffic & clear my six...found out tracking far can git one in
trouble as an A... pulling the novice trick of tracking back towards the dz I
ended up throwing out in the middle of the first skygod 4-way to exit they were
under canopy flying formation when I got there Zowee & they were senior RW
Queens so I got fried about 6 weekends in a row cuz the bytchs never
forget...took to tracking down at a high angle at a 45 to 90 degree line from
jump run......nobody ever came close to me again cuz I cud go lower than
low.....it backfired on me just once and that was at Anuach on a crosswind jump
run;. Got canopy at 1100 ft because I saw a shadow over me when I barrel rolled
so tracked a little lower, it was a hot dry summer day and KABOOM!! the opening
crack of my main right over the mockup & loading area and wuddn't ewe know
those same damn RW Queens were standing under me waiting for next load....I wuz
forever fried cuz the canopy crack was so loud the S&TA said he heard it and
came running out of the hanger to see what caused the sonic boom, damn near got
reported to the Regional Director & kicked off the DZ forever over that one!
ohm ohm ohm shit happens! 0~~;)
Jerry K.
wrote:
>
>> But I still dispute Snuffy's frequently made claim that flat tracking
>> isn't important.
>
>You're not alone on that one. I bet Jerry agrees with you as
>well ;o)
Well, that's only because couldn't do it. Nowadays it's because he
can't.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
>Jerry? Disagree with Snuffy?! C'mon now, everyone here knows that'll never
>happen.
>
Sure it might. Might if he gets a clue and gets current.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>thats because neither one of them read correctly so as to better jump to a
>wrong conclusion, ain't that the skygod way?....
You've failed to notice that it's really just a matter of causing you
to froth when the chain is pulled which I'll admit could be considered
the "skygod" way if only because it's your bread and butter.
>those are tracking contest &
>birdman shit type tracking they were trying to attach to being important to
>formation flying I wuz low rating it mainly because I view it as just more
>people who won't or cain't put in the hard work or have the teamwork
>personality to learn & do tight formation work,
What's to say that the people out participating in a tracking contest
or trying on a Birdman Suit for size haven't put in the hard work or
have the teamwork personality to learn & do tight formation work? Oh,
that's right - they're still actually going to dropzones, able to
enjoy skydiving and, therefore, entirely in the wrong.
>the rules for out & lurking so
>they go off and pratice solo shit plus their are variations of tracking
>techniques,
I seem to remember you jumping a sit-suit once upon a time and I am
sure as can be that absolutely everybody decided right then and there
when you jumped it that you had not ever put in the hard work or had
the teamwork personality to learn & do tight formation work. As if
the 45 degree downward track wasn't a dead giveaway.
...bsrp
...jlk
freeflyer
So if he gets a clue and gets current you'll disagree with
him? Yikes, you really are backwards you know :o)
Jerry K.
wrote:
>
>So if he gets a clue and gets current you'll disagree with
>him? Yikes, you really are backwards you know :o)
>
>--
I was hoping for something along the lines of him not reading
correctly so as to better jump to a wrong conclusion.
...bsrp
...jlk
mo ghile meer
>Got canopy at 1100 ft
actually their were some olden USPA skydivers in the loading area checking out
the RW Queen butts while wating because the 10 minute warning had been called
when the pilot had radioed "divers out" they estimated a 700ft opening....you
know the kind of old guys that had been skydiving so long they just showed up
out of habit & had let all their hoe tickets go except Rigger cuz they liked to
pack the round reserves they refused to give up... of course being a typical
skydiver I had a few excuses, just couldn't except I'd ever make a mistake like
that & go that low even though I never experianced ground rush due prolly to 3
incountry tours shrinking the small part that produces fear & flee response my
brain seemed to work different in slight ways but was still able to reason out
the consequences of a malfunction at that altitude coming out of track speed so
I wuz pissed at myself and began immediatly trying to push the opening altitude
up closer to the BSR's. dumb dumb dumb I wuz ashamed of myself, more so cuz
the old dons I respected were watching.......and I lost some of their respect,
they were really upset! SO DON'T DO IT!!! going low is not smart skydiving,
kinda like hook turns...do it enuff and it catchs up with ewe sooner or later
:(