Hey Mr Spurgeon..
LORD OF THE SKY
How do you like me now?
Got something to admit?
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> Tell me Mike, do you believe that our government has never lied to it's
> citizenry?
Do you believe that it always does?
> If you believe that the government has lied to you in the past, how can
> you, or why do you trust them as they lead us into war?
I don't need a lot of paranoia and conspiracy theories on this one. Do
I have to know all the details? No. I believe I know enough of those
that matter.
Try this, Don... When the reports come out of what we find in Iraq,
come back and admit you were wrong.
David Ferree
<lord...@ellijay.com> wrote:
>
>
> How do you like me now?
>
> Got something to admit?
Hey Mr. Sardine, why do even bother talking? LOL
LORD OF THE SKY
"David Ferree" <david...@aol.com> wrote in message
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David, I believe that others have noticed our mutual detraction. It may
be best if we "cool it" for a bit, lest my girlfriends or your lady-boy
friends clue in.
I'll not be sending you any more e-mails or be replying to any of your
posts. I'm sorry , I know that breaks your heart. But here is something to
remember me by..one last sentiment
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/fwordflash.html
Be brave ,little, broken one,
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
SkydiverRick
>
> David, I believe that others have noticed our mutual detraction.
> It may be best if we "cool it" for a bit, lest my girlfriends or your
> lady-boy friends clue in.
> I'll not be sending you any more e-mails or be replying to any of
> your posts. I'm sorry , I know that breaks your heart. But here is
> something to remember me by..one last sentiment
> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/fwordflash.html
> Be brave ,little, broken one,
> "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
Now you did it. Now everyone is going to have to listen to his yapping.
Splat!
he is just trying to tell you guys to shut up.
If you got something constructive to say about skydiving,
post it.
If not, shut the fuck-up,
we are all tired of listening to your shit.
Splat!
"SkydiverRick" <Skydiv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jerry K.
>I don't think he is yapping,
>he is just trying to tell you guys to shut up.
>
>If you got something constructive to say about skydiving,
>post it.
>
>If not, shut the fuck-up,
>we are all tired of listening to your shit.
>
>Splat!
>
Uh...you first.
For myself, I had a constructive day skydiving. Kinda chilly but that
didn't stop me from pulling high at 14 and riding my canopy around
while I enjoyed a frosty beverage and watched for other aircraft on my
last jump today - didn't even need a coozy - stayed quite chilly. Oh
yeah - front risered a 180 on the landing but the coolest part about
it wasn't the swoop, the speed, or the distance - it was the fact that
I did it good enough to be able to do it again next time, traffic and
conditions permitting.
The Kitty Hawk video is done and it ROCKS! Email me if you give a
shit.
...bsrp
...jlk
LORD OF THE SKY
"Splat!" <spla...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:uT3Pb.177329$JQ1.49541@pd7tw1no...
> > If you got something constructive to say about skydiving,
> post it.
And a fine example you are ,eh mate?
>
> If not, shut the fuck-up,
Yes, a fine example! Post not as I do but as I say !
> we are all tired of listening to your shit.
Got a "mouse in your pocket" ,Splat? Has some group elected you as
spokesperson?
Who is the "we" you declare when you state "we are all tired of listening
to your shit."?
C'mon admit it... , just between you , me ,and the group.., you really
haven't been elected spokesperson for any group , Splat , have you?
You flew off the handle and in the heat of the moment might have
believed that your thoughts were representative of some larger group, but
now that reality sets in.., they were your own thoughts ,weren't they
Splat? You don't officially represent any group when you post here ,
correct?
Here's a tip toward future postings , Splat ; If you got something
constructive to say about skydiving,
post it. Otherwise stfu!!!
Oh no, no need to thank me or pay for any of my jumps! I'm glad to provide
this public service.
SkydiverRick
> I don't think he is yapping,
> he is just trying to tell you guys to shut up.
>
> If you got something constructive to say about skydiving,
> post it.
>
> If not, shut the fuck-up,
> we are all tired of listening to your shit.
>
> Splat!
I'm still looking for something constructive about skydiving in your
statement.
SkydiverRick
> I don't think he is yapping,
You're right. Sounds more like a Yoko Ono album.
David Ferree
<lord...@ellijay.com> wrote:
>
>"Splat!" <spla...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>news:uT3Pb.177329$JQ1.49541@pd7tw1no...
>> > If you got something constructive to say about skydiving,
>> post it.
>
> And a fine example you are ,eh mate?
>>
>> If not, shut the fuck-up,
>
> Yes, a fine example! Post not as I do but as I say !
>
>> we are all tired of listening to your shit.
>
> Got a "mouse in your pocket" ,Splat? Has some group elected you as
>spokesperson?
> Who is the "we" you declare when you state "we are all tired of listening
>to your shit."?
Um, Fleatop, that would be anyone here who is not a god damned idiot.
LOL
Why do you even bother talking?
David Ferree
And Ricky Retardo makes another sterling argument. LOL
Sequiousness
LORD OF THE SKY
Then try Mr. Kay's report.
Tell me Mr. Spurgeon, why did you advocate the death of over five
hundred of Americas finest and the disfigurement and dismemberment of so
many more?
C'mon Mike, buck up. Tell us why you supported the administration and
it's lies.
Capt. hook
>citizenry?
Their politicians don....what do you expect?
>Tell me
>why did you advocate the death of over >five hundred of Americas finest and
the >disfigurement and dismemberment of so
>many more?
Think of Hitler Don...nobody stepped in to stop him till he began annexing too
many countrys and millions died as a result, Our
MAIN MISTAKE was not forseeing what animals they had become under his heel or
having enuff MP's to fill the gap till order could be restored and their civil
infrastructure rebuilt...Soldiers are trained to fight and move on not
police...btw in case you have not noticed our fine young military people
have been wacked a few at a time by middle eastern thugs for decades...One
is too many imho but at least we got
their attention now...FUK WITH THE BULL
AND GIT THE HORNS...I rukun every camel herder in the world got the message
Fewer hiding places & less financial support for killers now that two big ones
have gone down, hell even Kadaffy wants peace A pussy attitude just don't cut
it when yer dealing with evil kid...FOR EXAMPLE Chamberlands candy ass attitude
just encouraged Hitler to invade Poland or are you old enuff to remember WW2
and the lead up to it? Freedom ain't free citizens....
somebody always has to pay the price ;-P
"Fit Via Vi"
David Ferree
<lord...@ellijay.com> wrote:
> C'mon Mike, buck up. Tell us why you supported the administration and
>it's lies.
C'mon, Fleatop, buck up. Tell us why you even bother talking. LOL
Vedfolnir
> C'mon Mike, buck up. Tell us why you >supported the administration and
>it's lies.
>C'mon, Fleatop, buck up.
Yuh it cud be better Don, A right thinking old man like me could be Secretary
of Defense or worse Secretary of State eh?
Smootchie Bootchie ;)p
the old Philosopher
sez go to the dz to learn
this is comedy central!
me
He has, repeatedly. Read his disclaimer.
Kevin O'Connell
David Ferree
That would be a reason to *not* bother talking though, Kevin. Unless
he's on a quest to prove the adage "A man is only as good as his
word." Then the question would be, why does he want to prove that
he's completely worthless?
LORD OF THE SKY
"Capt. hook" <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Tell me
>
> >why did you advocate the death of over >five hundred of Americas finest
and
> the >disfigurement and dismemberment of so
> >many more?
>
> Think of Hitler Don...nobody stepped in to stop him till he began annexing
too
> many countrys and millions died as a result, Our
> MAIN MISTAKE was not forseeing what animals they had become
Nice analogy ,Snuffmeister. I've always said that you are quite
insightful.
It is a shame we didn't recognize Bush as a brutal , imperialistic,
dictator akin to Hitler ,before he had a chance to take us into an illegal
war sold on lies and strip us of the Bill of Rights.
It will be our shame if we allow him to be reelected.
JimBo
>From: "LORD OF THE SKY" lord...@ellijay.com
> It will be our shame if we allow him to be reelected.
>
> "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
Nooooooo Don...it will be your personal shame.
Personally I will be proud as a motherfucker when Bush gets re-elected.
Jim D-10154
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
Vedfolnir
>why did you advocate the death of over >five hundred of Americas finest
>
>Think of Hitler Don...nobody stepped in >to stop him till he began annexing
>too many countrys and millions died as a result of our isolationist
attitudes.........
Freedom & our way of life ain't free kid, somebody always has to die to protect
it,
I feel fot their loved ones.,..Brave young men they were....Recruiters don't
like to bring it up but any old line NCO will tell you ~Death is often the
price of serving
your'e Country~
>Nice analogy ,Snuffmeister. I've always >said that you are quite
>insightful.
Ya live long enuff to step on yer own dick 9 zillion times and wisdom will come
even to a hillbilly. <g>
> It is a shame we didn't recognize Bush >as a brutal , imperialistic,
>dictator akin to Hitler
Well I cain't say the majority voted him in
Some hanky panky and the Federal Judges got him in but he is President.
I support any and every serving US President even if I didn't vote for them...
till Congress impeach's them that is.
Having worn 3 hashmarks on my sleve in the Navy I can respect the office if not
the man-----------its the olden NCO's code. Buck up and suck it in till the
next election kid...Whining don't help...yewv'e
been in the USPA long enuff to understand that ain't ya? :)P
the old Philosopher sez
Go to the dz & pay to learn correct skydiving this is not the place
Vedfolnir
>It will be our shame if we allow him to be reelected.
>Nooooooo Don...it will be your personal >shame. Personally I will be proud as
a >motherfucker when Bush gets re-elected.
>
>Jim D-10154
Ya limpdick boot...better vote for Kerry
Bush's domestic policy sucks, he ain't for the worker atall.. Even if yew are a
supervisor yer nearer to blue collar than yew admit, think management cares
about you? your'e just their foil <eg>
Mr. MOM
>Bush's domestic policy sucks, he ain't for the worker atall.. Even if yew are
>a
>supervisor yer nearer to blue collar than yew admit, think management cares
>about you? your'e just their foil
Thats right Snuffy....management doesn't care about the workers.
However......it's a two way street. The workers don't care about management.
The Unions made sure to fuck that up for everyone. More socialism at it's
finest.
USPA SUCKS
Godspeed,
Mr. MOM
The only guarantee in Skydiving is ... you WILL land !
Mr. MOM
No Jim.......Treetop will have plenty of company from the leftist liberal
socialist's (disguised as Democrats). You think the fingernails on a chalkboard
sound is grating now........just wait until after November.
> Personally I will be proud as a motherfucker when Bush gets re-elected.
Yes Jim......you and I will be proud as a couple of Cocks in a henhouse.
Vedfolnir
>management cares about you? your'e >just their foil Jimbo.
>Thats right Snuffy....management doesn't >care about the workers.
>However......it's a two way street. The >workers don't care about management.
>The Unions made sure to fuck that up for >everyone. More socialism at it's
>finest.
>Godspeed,
>Mr. MOM
Yeah Company unions btw only thing worse than one limpdick to a Teamster is two
scabs...buncha fukking scuppies ;)P
LORD OF THE SKY
"JimBo" <sb...@aol.comnooospam> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Hey Mr Spurgxxxxx now Jardain..
> >From: "LORD OF THE SKY" lord...@ellijay.com
>
> > It will be our shame if we allow him to be reelected.
> >
> > "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
>
> Nooooooo Don...it will be your personal shame.
> Personally I will be proud as a motherfucker when Bush gets re-elected.
>
Uhmm, Jim... the re-elected thing was *tongue- in- cheek*. Shrubyu was
never elected but rather appointed by the justices his daddy placed in
those high paying jobs.
I'll admit it took nads to dismiss the hangin' chads.
Speaking of Chad, did you know that Saddam Hussein sought "uranium"
(say it spookily) "* in Affrrica*".
JimBo
>From: "LORD OF THE SKY" lord...@ellijay.com
>Uhmm, Jim... the re-elected thing was *tongue- in- cheek*. Shrubyu was
>never elected
Regardless, Don. Hes got the job.
What are you going to troll with after he's re-elected ?
How much you wanna bet Osama appears and is captured this summer just prior to
the election ?
LORD OF THE SKY
"Mr. MOM" <mom...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> You think the fingernails on a chalkboard
> sound is grating now........just wait until after November.
Me, I don't mind the "fingernails on chalkboard "sound nearly as much as
those "pre-emptive "bombs going BOOM BOOM BOOM in a non-threatening nation.
Yes, the cries of the innocent ,injured ,Iraqi children intermingled
with the cries of the permanently disfigured and maimed US GIs' who were
so strong , full of life and promise before this illegal war has a way of
getting on my nerves and under my skin.
That and the sound of Bush ,Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice,
Wolfowitz,Fleisher,Powell,and the rest of the crew lying to promote and
justify this horrid war of aggression for imperialistic goals , kind of
makes me wince.
LORD OF THE SKY
> Thats right Snuffy....management doesn't care about the workers.
> However......it's a two way street. The workers don't care about
management.
>
> The Unions made sure to fuck that up for everyone. More socialism at it's
> finest.
If I have retained one fact from my admittedly limited education in
history, Mr. Mc'Mike, it is that "management " screwing the workers is what
brought about the need for , the birth of , and rise of the unions.
But I may not have an education equal to yours.
LORD OF THE SKY
"JimBo" <sb...@aol.comnooospam> wrote in message
> >Subject: Re: Hey Mr Spurgxxxxx now Jardain..
> >From: "LORD OF THE SKY" lord...@ellijay.com
>
> >Uhmm, Jim... the re-elected thing was *tongue- in- cheek*. Shrubyu was
> >never elected
>
> Regardless, Don. Hes got the job.
> What are you going to troll with after he's re-elected ?
> How much you wanna bet Osama appears and is captured this summer just
prior to
> the election ?
Actually a german rag reported just last week the capture of Osama.
Hasn't made it to the mainstream press yet,ey?
How about a more complex wager.
I'm betting there will be reported a "major" terrorist attack
,possibly thwarted by the administrations security measures ,shortly before
the date of the election.
Now that is pretty far out there, isn't it?
How about you give me twenty to one odds ? I'll wager a dollar. You'll be
in for no more than that George Rabe pull-up cord you're so proud of.
Bet?
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
>
JimBo
>From: "LORD OF THE SKY"
> How about a more complex wager.
> I'm betting there will be reported a "major" terrorist attack
>,possibly thwarted by the administrations security measures ,shortly before
>the date of the election.
> Now that is pretty far out there sn't it?
>How about you give me twenty to one odds ? I'll wager a dollar. You'll be
>in for no more than that George Rabe pull-up cord you're so proud of.
Heck...I thought I was gonna get invited to fight night .
Ok its a bet anyway.
David Ferree
You're right, Snuff. We should get rid of all those nasty rich
republican businessmen and go to work for.... uh, who?
Vedfolnir
>"Treetop"
Was he elected Don? As much as you raise hell about the war in Iraq, you've
said very little about the true danger to our Cnstitution and Bill of Rights,
The right to vote and having your vote counted...Did he really win the election
or did the Republicans use the fiasco & John Crow court opinions to steal it?
Better git on it right away boy, Iraq may have been a red herring to draw yew
off <g>
>Don...it will be your personal shame.
>Personally I will be proud as a >motherfucker when Bush gets re-elected.
>Jimbo
Nah I doubt his brother will be able to get away with that shit twice down in
Florida ya limpdick management kiss up! o~;)P
David Ferree
>>Nooooooo Don...it will be your personal shame.
>
>No Jim.......Treetop will have plenty of company from the leftist liberal
>socialist's (disguised as Democrats). You think the fingernails on a chalkboard
>sound is grating now........just wait until after November.
>
>> Personally I will be proud as a motherfucker when Bush gets re-elected.
>
>Yes Jim......you and I will be proud as a couple of Cocks in a henhouse.
Fleatop will be a riot.
JimBo
>You're right, Snuff. We should get rid of all those nasty rich
>republican businessmen and go to work for.... uh, who?
We could do like all good Democrat voters and go on public welfare . :o)
Vedfolnir
Limpdicks right Don, he's President...even if it was a close election with some
sense of hanky panky....the courts backed him and Congress didn't object/
HE'S PRESIDENT suck it up kid
>Regardless, Don. Hes got the job
>How much you wanna bet Osama >appears and is captured this summer just >prior
to the election ?
>
>Jim D-10154
HOO HOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dayum your being pretty mean spirited about this ya limpdick anti union lackey
You must be a Republican. No shit but that was pretty damn funny ;)P
LORD OF THE SKY
"JimBo" <sb...@aol.comnooospam> wrote in message
> Heck...I thought I was gonna get invited to fight night .
No , I only offer that deal to known pussies who won't ever show. I've got
better things to do on July 4th.
> Ok its a bet anyway.
Done deal!
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
>
Vedfolnir
>republican businessmen and go to work >for.... uh, who?
Their selves....the workers should own most of the company they work for. Not
gonna happen though, too much greed at the top so we need unions
>We could do like all good Democrat >voters and go on public welfare . :o)
>
>Jim D-10154
I'm on Social Security and have a small pension from somewhere else for
loyalty...Carefull what you say limpdick You will be up for your Social
Security in 12 or 15 years yourself...or do you think yer rickity old ass can
make a living off the sport? Republican or not unless you can finance your own
dz.....caging beers is about the best I see in your post 65 skydiving future...
TAKE THE GOVERNMENT MONEY AND RUN BOY YA EARNED IT! o~;-*
Mr. MOM
>history, Mr. Mc'Mike, it is that "management " screwing the workers is what
>brought about the need for , the birth of , and rise of the unions.
You must have gotten that limited education from "unionized" leftist teachers.
As far as "the birth of": Unions have been around in one form or another since
recorded history. Before the formation of the modern unions.....Guilds were the
common collective organizations. Guilds "were" the management and owners of
whatever it was they produced.
As for Unions as we know them today....they began in the late 1800's by
socialist, communist, and anarchist organizers.......seeking political power.
As for "management" screwing the workers.....that may be the propoganda they
use to get people to buy into their scheme.....but political power to impose
their socialist and/or communist ideologies on others.....is why they were
really formed.
> But I may not have an education equal to yours.
I highly doubt that Treetop. I'm confident your "education" is equal to mine.
The question might be though......is whether you have chosen to educate
yourself concerning the topic.
But hey......like your disclaimer says....don't take my word on it. You can
easily learn about the history of unions all by yourself.
Capt. hook
>We could do like all good Democrat >voters and go on public welfare . :o)
>
Shouldn't be too much of a stretch fer you limpdick Republican butt, lets see
ut oh a longtime USPA skydiver, ex TM/JM.... yup yew got plenty of chizzling
the money experiance. Hummm too old & broken up to get down oh his knee's and
pack...needs money for jumps and to pay packers plus needs beer but too old and
slow to be a professional skydiver anymore yup ya quallify for public welfare
kid, maybe ya kin apply early and not have to pay for your own jumps anymore
heh
hahahahahahaha damn o~;)P
"Fit Via Vi"
me
> > He has, repeatedly. Read his disclaimer.
>
> That would be a reason to *not* bother talking though, Kevin.
Have you read it? Did you understand it? He is entertaining
himself, not you. It's like masturbation, only HE has to enjoy
it, and it doesn't have to impress anyone. What most of us
can't figure out is why you enjoy watching so much.
Kevin O'Connell
Ron Schott
>brought about the need for , the birth of , and rise of the unions.
I think unions were a by-product of the "Scientific Management" theory of
Frederick W. Taylor.
=
=
Ron
D1120
http://hometown.aol.com/christskyd/index.html
David Ferree
Hey Kev, are you really that much of a dim bulb? LOL
I'll admit that you don't always seem to be, then you come up with
something like this. No, Kevin, dear fleatop is looking for respect,
admiration, and recognition by being disrespectful, unadmirable, and
unrecognizable. If you and Joe like it (most of three of you?), don't
blame me for your lack of ethics.
David Ferree
No, dumbass, Jimbo has a job. One reason he has a job is that
republican types are running the country, not a bunch of "divide it up
once and get it over with" socialists.
I don't know, maybe Jerry is more right than I thought.
Mr. MOM
>>republican businessmen and go to work >for.... uh, who?
>
>Their selves....the workers should own most of the company they work for. Not
>gonna happen though, too much greed at the top so we need unions
Sure Snuffy....when the "workers" are willing to take the risk of investing the
capitol to get a business up and running...then they too can reap the rewards.
Until they choose to "put-up" some of the risk....then they will just have to
accept what they get. Hey.....if they don't like it.......there are pages full
of help wanted ads everyday, in newspapers all across the country.
As far as greed....maybe you should become more familiar with it's definition.
You might come to realize that "greed" is exactly what unions engage in.
Oh.....and don't forget. "Anyone" can become an owner in almost any of those
"greedy" businesses....and....you don't even have to work for them. It's called
Stocks.
Mr. MOM
>> sound is grating now........just wait until after November.
>
> Me, I don't mind the "fingernails on chalkboard "sound nearly as much as
>those "pre-emptive "bombs going BOOM BOOM BOOM in a non-threatening nation.
Non-threatening nation? Pre-emptive? Um.....any chance you can clarify which
country you are talking about?
> Yes, the cries of the innocent ,injured ,Iraqi children
Yes...when some murderous dictatorial tyrant, targets them for slaughter...that
bothers me too. What doesn't bother me though....is the fact that freedom comes
at a price. Unfortunate it may be that it happens, but the alternative benefits
absolutely no-one.....except murderous dictatorial tyrants.
intermingled
>with the cries of the permanently disfigured and maimed US GIs' who were
>so strong , full of life and promise before this illegal war has a way of
>getting on my nerves and under my skin.
Illegal war....how so?
As far as our wounded GI's. Again....unforunate. But, they volunteered to take
the job. A job that has never been or ever intended to be kind.
> That and the sound of Bush ,Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice,
>Wolfowitz,Fleisher,Powell,and the rest of the crew lying to promote and
>justify this horrid war of aggression for imperialistic goals , kind of
>makes me wince.
It's a whole lot of fun watching you and socialists wince Treetop. You just go
ahead and continue believing what you believe....and myself and others will
continue to enjoy watching you wince.
Mr. MOM
>republican types are running the country, not a bunch of "divide it up
>once and get it over with" socialists.
David.......if you think socialists just want to "divide it up once".......then
you are gravely mistaken.
Consider this beer analogy. There is Beer, and there is Lite Beer. Socialism is
nothing less than Communism Lite.
Socialists today....if they get their way....will be communists tomorrow.
Because...confiscating from others "just once"....is never enough for them.
They....like those they accuse of being.....are greedy. The difference
is....rather than work hard and take risks to satiate their greed...they just
want to confiscate it from others who did.
>I don't know, maybe Jerry is more right than I thought.
Yes...on many things. Unfortunatley...he seems to be too loyal to DZO's to
understand that USPA has become a socialist minded organization, dictated by
DZO's.
Capt. hook
>"greedy" businesses....and....you don't even have to work for them. It's
>called
>Stocks.
>
>USPA SUCKS
and meanwhile management cooks the books to inflate their salary potential
so the stockholders get a fukking also.
>As far as greed....maybe you should >become more familiar with it's
>definition. You might come to realize that >"greed" is exactly what unions
engage in.
Yuh but human nature is the problem
when it comes to greed...unlikelike loyalty
which I believe should start at the top and go down then come back up...Greed
really does spread down in modern America.
Good leadership should set the example...
unfortunately management trys to buy the leaders off...Therfore leadership has
failed..
But management failed first or their wudda been no need for a union eh?
>Sure Snuffy....when the "workers" are >willing to take the risk of investing
>the capitol to get a business up
a wise CEO and board will offer a no strings company stock option to its
workers...ENRON was a example of bad
stock option offering to employee's
because strings were attached on ability to sell which didn't seem to apply to
upper management. If management had ethics
and no double standard their would be no need for unions...Unfortunately that
ain't gonna happen so theirs a need for unions
At least until management understand the workers are the company. Just like
skydiving and the USPA, ego's won't allow
a honest playing field....too much ego and too many fuk yer buddys involved in
the chain of command! ;)P
"Fit Via Vi"
Capt. hook
>definition. You might come to realize that >"greed" is exactly what unions
engage >in.
Greed has become the American way is more likely, its a vicious circle called
Afluencia...Hoffa held the line till he was murdered, everybody else might as
well have been working for management cause
greed played them right into the companys hands ;(
"Fit Via Vi"
Capt. hook
>Hook on Jim's case
>needs beer but too old and
>>slow to be a professional skydiver anymore yup ya quallify for public
>welfare kid, maybe ya kin apply early
>hahahahahahaha damn
>No, dumbass, Jimbo has a job.
>One reason he has a job is that
>republican types are running the country
Nope its because he's young....only 50
and if he don't work another 12 or 15 years he don't eat, not to mention his
wife is used to a certain standard of living so besides everything else he's in
danger of gitting his gimpy ass kicked if he don't work ya young idiot !! ;-)
"Fit Via Vi"
SkydiverRick
Yes, the cries of the innocent ,injured
> ,Iraqi children intermingled
> with the cries of the permanently disfigured and maimed US GIs'
> who were so strong , full of life and promise before this illegal war
> has a way of getting on my nerves and under my skin.
When do you hear this? Any other voices in your head?
Capt. hook
>Yes, the cries of the innocent ,injured
>When do you hear this? Any other >voices in your head?
>"SkydiverRick"
All I can say is "better theirs than ours"
ohm ohm ohm
"Fit Via Vi"
Jerry K.
Oh yaaaaaassss - jury tampering, fund-fraud - convicted on testimony
from *another teamster*. Holding the line.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>Oh yaaaaaassss - jury tampering, >fund-fraud - convicted on testimony
>from *another teamster*. Holding the >line.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
bitch...bitch....bitch
"Fit Via Vi"
Jerry K.
truth...truth...truth - ain't it a bitch?
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>>
>>
>>"Fit Via Vi"
>truth...truth...truth - ain't it a bitch?
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
> jury tampering, >fund-fraud - convicted >on testimony from *another
teamster*. >Holding the >line.
Hoffa was set up kid ;)P
"Fit Via Vi"
Jerry K.
By another teamster. Shouldn't have trusted his brother in labor.
You'd think he'da known better.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>
>By another teamster. Shouldn't have >trusted his brother in labor.
>You'd think he'da known better.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
It ain't a perfect world kid, sometimes you have to do good into evil people,
wolve's come in sheeps clothing...I give you Iraqi.
How many of those creeps killing soldiers
and civilians do you think eat with US Aide? Fitzsimmions wanted to be
President of the union bad enuff to do anything. Bobby Kennedy had a personal
axe to grind, the Mafia wanted their puppet in office...How many people have
been fukked outta their slots on a formation over the years in skydiving by
being set up to fail you rukun? Its a cold hard world, chose your friends
wisely ohm ohm ohm ;-*
"Fit Via Vi"
Mr. MOM
>>"greedy" businesses....and....you don't even have to work for them. It's
>>called
>>Stocks.
>and meanwhile management cooks the books to inflate their salary potential
>so the stockholders get a fukking also.
Oh...I get it. A handful of companies cook the books, and you want to punish
all +/-3000 of them (listed on NYSE).
Now thats a typical socialist attitude.
>>As far as greed....maybe you should >become more familiar with it's
>>definition. You might come to realize that >"greed" is exactly what unions
>engage in.
>
>Yuh but human nature is the problem
>when it comes to greed...unlikelike loyalty
>which I believe should start at the top and go down then come back up...Greed
>really does spread down in modern America.
>Good leadership should set the example...
>unfortunately management trys to buy the leaders off...Therfore leadership
>has
>failed..
>But management failed first or their wudda been no need for a union eh?
Perhaps you should take the suggestion I made to Treetop about researching the
history of unions before concluding why unions are "needed".
Here....I'll even give you a good place to start. The Pullman strike of 1894.
Now there's a fine example of no good deed going unpunished. Yep...good ole
Eugene Debs was greedy, under the disguise of Socialism.
>>Sure Snuffy....when the "workers" are >willing to take the risk of investing
>>the capitol to get a business up
>
>a wise CEO and board will offer a no strings company stock option to its
>workers...ENRON was a example of bad
>stock option offering to employee's
>because strings were attached on ability to sell which didn't seem to apply
>to
>upper management. If management had ethics
> and no double standard their would be no need for unions...Unfortunately
>that
>ain't gonna happen so theirs a need for unions
>At least until management understand the workers are the company. Just like
>skydiving and the USPA, ego's won't allow
>a honest playing field....too much ego and too many fuk yer buddys involved
>in
>the chain of command! ;)P
Actually Snuffy....many companies that offered stock options, learned a
valuable lesson. They learned that "it don't change nothin." In
otherwords....give em an inch, and they'll demand a yard.
Here's a little human nature for you. Give something to a person (as in stock
options), and they don't appreciate it, nor increase their loyalty to the
company. However.....if they choose to take some of their wages and invest on
their own.....only then do they become loyal and care about the companies
health.
Like I said snuffy.....workers need to put up or shut up. If they are not
willing to take the risks...then they don't deserve more. It's called earning
your worth.
Gee Snuffy.....I know you've got a spine....however...I'm curious to know if
you've got spine enough to admit that you are a socialist.
Vedfolnir
>from *another teamster*. Holding the >line.
Sounds kinda USPAish to me, he wudda made a great GM/DZO or BOD member eh? ;-)
Vedfolnir
>By another teamster. Shouldn't have >trusted his brother in labor.
>You'd think he'da known better
>...bsrp
>...jlk
Without trust their is no union, yer gonna
take some hits...Gotta close ranks and move on...see the connection with
skydiving? People are betrayed on DZ's
all the time, ya just gotta git past it & forgive long enough to pull the
formation together or as we used to say on a picket " When your brother falls
by the way, "Hold the line!" ;-)
Jerry K.
>>Hoffa was set up kid
>>
>
>>By another teamster. Shouldn't have >trusted his brother in labor.
>>You'd think he'da known better.
>>
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>
>It ain't a perfect world kid, sometimes you have to do good into evil people,
Wait - is that what the teamster who set him up said or was that
Hoffa's excuse for the felonies or -wait a sec- maybe those felonies
were good cause he was doing good fund fraud and good jury tampering
in the face of evil! Har har!!!
>wolve's come in sheeps clothing...I give you Iraqi.
>How many of those creeps killing soldiers
>and civilians do you think eat with US Aide?
Big difference between a guy being set up for fund fraud and jury
tampering and US servicemen beset with a guerilla war but to answer
your question - maybe all, maybe some, maybe none...a better question
would be something along the lines of how many of the people attacking
the US forces in Iraq, say along religious lines and backing, would be
able to opperate in the secular dicatorship that was Saddam Hussein's?
The answer, of course, is none at all but that is beside the point -
the point being that where a legal court found Jimmy Hoffa guilty of
jury tampering and fund fraud based largely on testimony from a
brother teamster and, assuming he was set up, a brother teamster
screwed him over but teamsters screwing others (and each other) over
is not a new thing.
>Fitzsimmions wanted to be
>President of the union bad enuff to do anything. Bobby Kennedy had a personal
>axe to grind, the Mafia wanted their puppet in office...
And the courts determined that this "personal axe" was not without
legal merit. As far as others wanting to head the union or have their
man in the executive branch (maybe better to have their man in the
Attorney General's office, eh?), this still does not change the fact
that 1) Hoffa was convicted in a legal court for jury tampering and
fund fraud, 2) He was convicted largely on the testimony of a brother
teamster, and 3) Set up or not - Hoffa didn't have what it takes to
beat the rap...not to mention breath beyond 1975.
>How many people have
>been fukked outta their slots on a formation over the years in skydiving by
>being set up to fail you rukun?
Who knows? Who cares? Being set up to fail? Never promise more than
you can deliver. I was doing 40ways at Zhills a year or so back and
on one dive I was center on an outside loop and diving. Did the dive
and it was all I could do to keep from sinking out - I was at the end
of my range. Did I bitch? Did I blame others? Did I automatically
assume the organizer was "setting me up for failure?" Right - that's
bullshit - I landed (next to the organizer) and told him I was at the
end of my range and would be better at a quicker slot - and I added
some fabric to the suit I would be jumping. He said he appreciated me
letting him know and moved me in to an anchor point on the loop.
>Its a cold hard world, chose your friends
>wisely
So, Hoffa wasn't wise you're saying.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
their >familys?
>Big difference between a guy being set >up for fund fraud and jury tampering
and >US servicemen beset with a guerilla war
ok I give you another example...Our
VP's old company Hallaburton totally
ripped off our military on the contract
to supply fuel to Iraqi....are you willing
to give up your citizenship in protest?
Are you gonna quit just because our own
people fukked us? or will you still stand
by your country? You can still count me as a Union supporter yew little scab.
Evil shall never prevail if we hold the line
against greed...now go to the DZ and fuk
a fellow USPA member if it makes you feel
any better, I'm gonna hold the line...who knows a Beemer might try to drive by
me!
Snarf HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jerry K.
>>Oh yaaaaaassss - jury tampering, >fund-fraud - convicted on testimony
>>from *another teamster*. Holding the >line.
>
>Sounds kinda USPAish to me, he wudda made a great GM/DZO or BOD member eh? ;-)
Maybe - but we're talking Jimmy Hoffa here and to the best of my
knowledge, no DZO or BOD member has ever been convicted, let alone
indicted or even accused of fund fraud and jury tampering. So, you're
saying that DZO's and BOD members when they do the henious things that
they do are in reality doing good in the face of evil? Well, well,
well.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Hoffa was set up kid
>
>>By another teamster. Shouldn't have >trusted his brother in labor.
>>You'd think he'da known better
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>
>Without trust their is no union, yer gonna
>take some hits...Gotta close ranks and move on...see the connection with
>skydiving? People are betrayed on DZ's
>all the time, ya just gotta git past it & forgive long enough to pull the
>formation together or as we used to say on a picket " When your brother falls
>by the way, "Hold the line!" ;-)
Yeah and in this case, the guy out there yelling, "Hold the line!" is
the same brother in labor clubbing his brothers from behind. Okay -
people betrayed on dz's all the time...how?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>It ain't a perfect world kid, sometimes >you have to do good into evil people,
>>wolve's come in sheeps clothing...I give >you Iraqi. How many of those creeps
>>killing our soldiers and their civilians do >you think use US Aide to feed
>their >familys?
>
>>Big difference between a guy being set >up for fund fraud and jury tampering
>and >US servicemen beset with a guerilla war
>
>ok I give you another example...Our
>VP's old company Hallaburton totally
>ripped off our military on the contract
>to supply fuel to Iraqi....are you willing
>to give up your citizenship in protest?
What does giving up citizenship have to do with protest - as near as I
can tell, one does not deny the other but to answer your question -
yeah, I would give up my citizenship to protest if protest denied
citizenship but as far as protesting the government's policies,
specifically to Halliburton, I have the best form of protest
available. Amazing what a vote can do.
>Are you gonna quit just because our own
>people fukked us?
I might quit supporting the people who fucked us as I might quit
patronizing the company that was supposedly doing the fucking.
>or will you still stand
>by your country?
You see - in this country one can do it anyway the wish. Country and
the people who make and enforce policy are two entirely different
ideas and one can easily remain true to country, all the while not
supporting the people who might apply policy that is fucked.
>You can still count me as a Union supporter yew little scab.
Scab? I'll have you know I have never crossed a picket line but
remember, I'm not arguing your support of union in concept but only
your close to deification of a man who, once upon a time, set union
policy only to be convicted of fund fraud and jury tampering.
>Evil shall never prevail if we hold the line
>against greed...
And fund fraud wasn't greedy?
>now go to the DZ and fuk
>a fellow USPA member if it makes you feel
>any better,
You first.
>I'm gonna hold the line...who knows a Beemer might try to drive by
>me!
Hoffa had lots of nice cars and, curiously enough, one of them was a
BMW. What the fuck!?
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>Sounds kinda USPAish to me, he wudda >made a great GM/DZO or BOD member >eh?
>;-)
>Maybe - but we're talking Jimmy Hoffa >here and to the best of my
>knowledge, no DZO or BOD member has >ever been convicted, let alone
>indicted or even accused of fund fraud >and jury tampering.
Their have been a lotta BOD & DZO's come and go over the years...the trick
is not to get caught, I wonder how much
of the dues and skydiving money in general has gone to lawyers payed to cover
up the trail of misdeeds?
>So, you're saying that DZO's and BOD >members when they do the henious >things
that they do are in reality doing >good in the face of evil? Well, well,
No, I'm saying you must do good in the face of evil because the majority of
them
are good not bad, vote out the bad DZ's with your feet by leaving, vote out the
self serving BOD members with your vote then do good into your fellow
skydiver..I think
yer having a problem understanding this concept because your'e part of the
problem boy...See thats what happens when you work around DZ's on subcontract
rather than go out and just funjump, you become part of the problem!
ohm ohm ohm
Vedfolnir
>people, wolve's come in sheeps clothing
>VP's old company Hallaburton totally
>ripped off our military on the contract
fukked us?
>I might quit supporting the people who >fucked us as I might quit
>patronizing the company that was >supposedly doing the fucking.
>
So? Your gonna stop buying gas, perhaps
walk or ride a horse to the DZ? heh ;-)
>will you still stand by your country regardless? Evil shall never prevail if
we hold the line. yew little scab.
>Scab? I'll have you know I have never >crossed a picket line
scared huh? ride a hourse
no teamster would wack a horse with
a bat, thats how we started out...driving
wagons...the horse head is still on the union emblem...say this also meshs
with your plan to stop buying gas in
protest, grow some cahones kid ;)P
SkydiverRick
>...See thats what happens when you work around DZ's
> on subcontract rather than go out and just funjump, >you become part
> of the problem!
> the old Philosopher sez
> Go to the dz & pay to learn correct skydiving this is not the place
Does that apply to instructors too? I guess that's one way to get rid of
USPA.
Jerry K.
>>Oh yaaaaaassss - jury tampering, >fund-fraud
>
>>Sounds kinda USPAish to me, he wudda >made a great GM/DZO or BOD member >eh?
>>;-)
>
>>Maybe - but we're talking Jimmy Hoffa >here and to the best of my
>>knowledge, no DZO or BOD member has >ever been convicted, let alone
>>indicted or even accused of fund fraud >and jury tampering.
>
>Their have been a lotta BOD & DZO's come and go over the years...the trick
>is not to get caught,
And Hoffa got caught.
>I wonder how much
>of the dues and skydiving money in general has gone to lawyers payed to cover
>up the trail of misdeeds?
Who knows? I wonder how much of the dues and skydiving money in
general has gone to lawyers payed to battle againt frivolous lawsuits
or even the greed based muscling of skydiving operations out and off
of public airfields, hmm?
>
>>So, you're saying that DZO's and BOD >members when they do the henious >things
>that they do are in reality doing >good in the face of evil? Well, well,
>
>No, I'm saying you must do good in the face of evil because the majority of
>them
>are good not bad,
Hell, you're the one who said Hoffa'd make a good DZO or BOD member,
not me. Who's this them?
>vote out the bad DZ's with your feet by leaving,
Happens all the time.
>vote out the
>self serving BOD members with your vote
Sure, but who's to say which are self-serving? What if those BOD
members are also the one's possibly doing the good service for which
they were elected for, eh?
>then do good into your fellow
>skydiver..
Happens all the time though it pleases you to spout rehetoric to the
contrary.
>I think
>yer having a problem understanding this concept because your'e part of the
>problem boy...
No, I'm following your line of reasoning closley, from item to item,
but you got a problem when I keep showing you your words in the light
of logic and reality, and with these inconvienent truths punching the
standard gaping holes in your assertions. Nothing new here.
>See thats what happens when you work around DZ's on subcontract
>rather than go out and just funjump, you become part of the problem!
And that's what happens when you blunder yourself into a hospital and
out of the sport, never to "grace" a dropzone again while attempting
to maintain an electronic pretense of infallibility - some smartass
will flog you about the head and shoulders with inconvienent reality
and bring the pretense to light. Nothing new here, either.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>It ain't a perfect world kid, sometimes >you have to do good into evil
>>people, wolve's come in sheeps clothing
>> I give you another example...Our
>>VP's old company Hallaburton totally
>>ripped off our military on the contract
>>to supply fuel to Iraqi. Are you gonna quit >just because our own people
>fukked us?
>
>>I might quit supporting the people who >fucked us as I might quit
>>patronizing the company that was >supposedly doing the fucking.
>>
>
>So? Your gonna stop buying gas, perhaps
>walk or ride a horse to the DZ? heh
No, I'll vote as I see fit and not patronize the company that might be
doing the fucking. You would cut off the nose to spite the face...but
then...you're an idiot.
>
>>will you still stand by your country regardless? Evil shall never prevail if
>we hold the line. yew little scab.
>
>>Scab? I'll have you know I have never >crossed a picket line
>
>scared huh?
Never had a reason to but scared? No, union goons usually get what
they deserve. Asssault is assault and Smith & Wesson beats 4 aces if
that push ever came to shove. No moron with a bat would ever have the
power to dictate what I can or cannot do.
>ride a hourse
>no teamster would wack a horse with
>a bat, thats how we started out...driving
>wagons...the horse head is still on the union emblem...say this also meshs
>with your plan to stop buying gas in
>protest, grow some cahones kid
Go back and check the posts, Jimmy - I never said I would stop buying
gas but *you* did say that Jimmy Hoffa would make a good DZO and BOD
member.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>...See thats what happens when you >work around DZ's
>on subcontract rather than go out and >just funjump, you become part
>of the problem!
>Does that apply to instructors too? I >guess that's one way to get rid of
>USPA.
>"SkydiverRick"
Nahhh I was talking about the lesser disiplines like video and coachs, but hey
theres a thought...keeping the SL/JM's
and getting rid of the AFF & Tandem crowd
would pare it down and center the zen like days of yore. A small tight family
looking out for one another ohm ohm ;-)
Vedfolnir
>I never said I would stop buying
>gas but *you* did say that Jimmy Hoffa would make a good DZO and BOD
>member.
yes thats right....I'm really a deep person getting beyond philosophy and into
wisdom arn't I? heh ;->.
Vedfolnir
Chose your legal advisors carefully my child!
>I wonder how much of the dues and >skydiving money in general has gone to
>lawyers payed to battle againt frivolous >lawsuits or even the greed based
>muscling of skydiving operations out and >off of public airfields, hmm?
who knows, when SPX got kicked off the Leauge City airport in 94 I quit
donating
to the fund, I had already been tipped the funds wen't applied equally and were
in fact being moved around to cover other expenses, shudda stopped donating
earlier
What the hell I only donated at licence renewall time anyway and that was only
when they caught me being unlicenced
Fukking manifest software s u c k s ;(
Jerry K.
>>ride a hourse
>
>>I never said I would stop buying
>>gas but *you* did say that Jimmy Hoffa would make a good DZO and BOD
>>member.
>
>yes thats right....I'm really a deep person getting beyond philosophy and into
>wisdom arn't I? heh
If felonious fund fraud and jury tampering are prerequisites of good,
perhaps.
...bsrp
...jlk
Mr. MOM
>>definition. You might come to realize that >"greed" is exactly what unions
>engage >in.
>
>Greed has become the American way is more likely, its a vicious circle called
>Afluencia...Hoffa held the line till he was murdered, everybody else might as
>well have been working for management cause
>greed played them right into the companys hands ;(
Sure Snuffy......you go ahead and believe what you wish. Just
remember......your hero Jimmy Hoffa, who worked hard for the working man,
became very rich, while the working man he fought for.....didn't. Yep....he
held the line alright. He held the line on all those workers he was fighting
for, while he got rich off their Union dues. Oh.....and his son is a fine
namesake too.
Yep....those rich union leaders.....they reeeeaaaally care about the working
man.....don't they!?
Jerry K.
>>Vedfolnir wrote:
>>...See thats what happens when you >work around DZ's
>>on subcontract rather than go out and >just funjump, you become part
>>of the problem!
>
>>Does that apply to instructors too? I >guess that's one way to get rid of
>>USPA.
>>"SkydiverRick"
>
>Nahhh I was talking about the lesser disiplines like video and coachs, but hey
>theres a thought...keeping the SL/JM's
>and getting rid of the AFF & Tandem crowd
>would pare it down and center the zen like days of yore. A small tight family
>looking out for one another ohm ohm ;-)
>
And skydiving would return to that golden age of dodgy equipment, poor
aircraft, less dropzones, less skydivers, slower exchange of
knowledge, and enjoyment of the sport would climb to record lows. Oh
yeah, put me back under a round with the earth lunging at my knees,
put me back to being crammed in like a sardine and gritting my teeth
while the aircraft sputters and claws its way slowly to a grand, put
me back to having to travel forever and a day to the dz totally
uncertain whether the conditions will allow me to jump and none too
sure whether the place is still in business, put me back with the
flailing meat missles because that's all that's left or the luck of
the draw as to who I get slotted with, put me back with slow
innovation and even slower employment of innovation, put me back into
the environment where the only saving grace would be the few jumps a
weekend and excited about my freefall from nine. Oh yeah - regression
into utopia. Guess you had to be there to appreciate it...not that
you ever were, by the by. Pretense, thy name is Jimmie.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Mommeeeee!!! Mommeeeeee!!! Hey, has anyone seen my dog Senor Mom?
(sorry, dude - all in fun and I couldn't resist!) LOL
Blue Skies to ya!
-Jerry
Jerry K.
>>Hoffa got caught.
>
>Chose your legal advisors carefully my child!
So, why didn't Hoffa choose his more carefully, eh? Nevermind
trusitng his brother in labor who testified against him. Tight little
bunch, those teamsters!
>
>>I wonder how much of the dues and >skydiving money in general has gone to
>>lawyers payed to battle againt frivolous >lawsuits or even the greed based
>>muscling of skydiving operations out and >off of public airfields, hmm?
>
>who knows, when SPX got kicked off the Leauge City airport in 94 I quit
>donating
>to the fund,
But, what happened to the USPA because this was back when USPA was
still good, right? This was the wild and wooly "Outlaw 90's!"
>I had already been tipped the funds wen't applied equally and were
>in fact being moved around to cover other expenses, shudda stopped donating
>earlier
But you remained a member for years after. What's up with that?
>What the hell I only donated at licence renewall time anyway and that was only
>when they caught me being unlicenced
Which, given your few years in the sport, probably occurred, what -
once? I just went this entire past year (eleven and a half months,
actually - around 400 jumps at multiple dropzones) without a license
and did I get caught?
Hell, Hoffa ain't got nothing on me.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>As far as greed....maybe you should >become more familiar with it's
>definition. You might come to realize that >"greed" is exactly what unions
>>engage in.
>Greed has become the American way is >more likely, its a vicious circle called
>Afluencia...Hoffa held the line till he was >murdered
>Sure Snuffy......you go ahead and believe >what you wish. Just
>remember......your hero Jimmy Hoffa, >who worked hard for the working man,
>became very rich, while the working man >he fought for.....didn't.
Wrong it was the only time the trickle down theory ever worked...when I started
working the trucks and loading docks the pay was 6 cents a mile
(Road Atlas miles not true miles)
$1.80 @ hr. loading/unloading
no breakdown or layover pay, shit they
cud hold you out there for months and not
pay...no insurance, no dental...Dangerous
working conditions and ragitty equipment.
When I joined the union my pay went up
100% and my faimly received the best medical care...the company could keep me
out as long as before *as long as they paid, guess what I got home more often.
If any equipment was unsafe I could refuse to operate it and get paid for
showing up.
*Also a boone to public safety imho*
I retired making 42 cents a mile and $20.95 an hour with travel expenses
uniforms and laundry payed for by the company..He didn't exactly forget us..
the key benifit was you couldn't be fired
for obeying the transportation and safety issues so fuk off yew little
Republican ;)P
Vedfolnir
>I never said I would stop buying
>gas
Afraid yew will get run over going up 290
to Waller huh? <snerk>
Vedfolnir
>Chose your advisors carefully
>So, why didn't Hoffa choose his more >carefully, eh?
yeah he made the same mistake many
USPA people do...he didn't ask me heh.
>Nevermind
>trusitng his brother in labor who testified >against him.
and probably hired the lawyer for him ;->
>Tight little bunch, those teamsters!
management tactics and fighting for control gee the same problems company
management suffers.
>I wonder how much of the USPA dues
>and airport defense funds have gone into
BOD pockets or towards their DZ?
>who knows, when SPX got kicked off the >Leauge City airport in 94 I quit
>donating to the fund,
>But, what happened to the USPA because this was back when USPA was
>still good, right?
>the wild and wooly "Outlaw 90's!"
good is too strong a word, better would be closer to the truth.
>I had already been tipped the funds wen't >applied equally to DZ's under city
>councile attack and were in fact being >moved around to cover other expenses,
>shudda stopped donating earlier
THAT DAMN INFERNAL new manifest
software they were coming out with in the 90's kept catching me not renewing my
USPA membership s u c k s.
>But you remained a member for years >after. What's up with that?
>
The need to get my old knee's in the breeze...any up jumper would know what
that was about IDIOT.
>Hell, Hoffa ain't got nothing on me.
>
>.jlk
Cause yew got a scab mentality more than likely! ;)P
Vedfolnir
>Does that apply to instructors too? I >guess that's one way to get rid of
>USPA.
>Nahhh I was talking about the lesser disiplines, git rid of everybody but the
SL/JM's pare it down and center the zen like days of yore. A small tight family
one looking out for the other as it should
be when yer dealing with other peoples lives!
>And skydiving would return to that golden >age of dodgy equipment, poor
>aircraft, less dropzones
Don't freak out kid, keep the modern equipment, just get rid of the deadwood
and bottom feeders.
> less dropzones
A lotta dropzones from my era have closed
Country wide Run outta buisness by the USPA GM system...Shit the Louisiana part
of the GU is really hurting DZ wise, Our Regional Director once came from there
when they had a buncha cessna dz's around. OK a lot of them were put out of
buisness by demographics and competition But whatcha gonna do when you have to
drive to Cedartown Ga. when they advertise as being a Houston DZ? hahahaha shit
too funny ;)
>yeah, put me back under a round with >the earth lunging at my knees,
>put me back to being crammed in like a >sardine and gritting my teeth
>while the aircraft sputters and claws
>its way slowly to a grand,
Don't be such a drama queen kid, the sport is gonna keep the best equipment and
gear NO MATTER WHAT take a PROZAC and chill out ;-*
Mr. MOM
>started
>working the trucks and loading docks the pay was 6 cents a mile
>(Road Atlas miles not true miles)
>$1.80 @ hr. loading/unloading
>no breakdown or layover pay, shit they
>cud hold you out there for months and not
>pay...no insurance, no dental...Dangerous
>working conditions and ragitty equipment.
Hey.....don't blame the company for you being such a God damned idiot, to take
that kind of shitty paying job in the first place. Then again...that's a
typical socialist attitude. Punish the company for you being such a dumb-fuck.
>When I joined the union my pay went up
>100% and my faimly received the best medical care...the company could keep me
>out as long as before *as long as they paid, guess what I got home more
>often.
You must be proud knowing that you couldn't provide for yourself and your
family, and had to rely on "the big brotherhood" to do it for you.
>If any equipment was unsafe I could refuse to operate it and get paid for
>showing up.
Yeah.......I bet you got paid a lot for doing nothing. Typical socialist
attitude. "Don't make me do work, but I'm entitled to get paid anyway".
>*Also a boone to public safety imho*
Sure Snuffy.......and there's a bridge in Brooklyn thats for sale....cheap.
>I retired making 42 cents a mile and $20.95 an hour with travel expenses
>uniforms and laundry payed for by the company..He didn't exactly forget us..
>the key benifit was you couldn't be fired
>for obeying the transportation and safety issues so fuk off yew little
>Republican ;)P
And Hoffa is grateful to you for making him so rich, while you stayed on the
lower rung of the wealth ladder.
Oh.....I'm not a Republican. The Republicans are too liberal for my liking. I'm
a Conservative.
I'm disappointeed in you Snuffy. I truly thought you had more of a spine than
it appears you do. Why is it that you socialists are so afraid to admit what
you are?
Jerry K.
>>See thats what happens when you work >around DZ's on subcontract?
>
>>Does that apply to instructors too? I >guess that's one way to get rid of
>>USPA.
>
>>Nahhh I was talking about the lesser disiplines, git rid of everybody but the
>SL/JM's pare it down and center the zen like days of yore. A small tight family
>one looking out for the other as it should
>be when yer dealing with other peoples lives!
>
>>And skydiving would return to that golden >age of dodgy equipment, poor
>>aircraft, less dropzones
>
>Don't freak out kid, keep the modern equipment, just get rid of the deadwood
>and bottom feeders.
Oh, I think bottom feeders and deadwood were just as existant ten
years ago as they are today.
>
>> less dropzones
>
>A lotta dropzones from my era have closed
>Country wide Run outta buisness by the USPA GM system...
Don't forget bad management and people voting with their feet - ever
think about that?
>Shit the Louisiana part
>of the GU is really hurting DZ wise,
There's less money around. The economy is in recovery but the jobs,
raises, and available cash is not as readily available as it was ten
years ago.
>Our Regional Director once came from there
>when they had a buncha cessna dz's around. OK a lot of them were put out of
>buisness by demographics and competition
And possibly bad management and people voting with their feet...
>But whatcha gonna do when you have to
>drive to Cedartown Ga. when they advertise as being a Houston DZ?
Oh, I dunno - call 'em up and get directions, figure the mileage, look
for other options if that's your desire - happens all the time.
>
>>yeah, put me back under a round with >the earth lunging at my knees,
>>put me back to being crammed in like a >sardine and gritting my teeth
>>while the aircraft sputters and claws
>>its way slowly to a grand,
>
>Don't be such a drama queen kid, the sport is gonna keep the best equipment and
>gear NO MATTER WHAT take a PROZAC and chill out
Even the best equipment ages and even becomes obsolete over time.
Example - would I go out and regularely freefly with the state of the
art container of ten years ago? Not comfortably. That's where
innovation comes in and innovation only comes in when 1) there's a
need and 2) the circumstances are such that the innovation is
practical. Ten years ago freeflying was nothing to what it is today -
the vast majority of skydivers flew on their bellies and for that,
ROL's, exposed bridles, and rapidly opening canopies were fine but
with the advent of non-belly flight came a new host of safety and
danger considerations and a few had the innovation to design for it
but what's more important, there were others who were able to take
advantage of this innovation thus making their pasttime more practical
and the past-time became more widespread, the knowledge base
increased, more people were able to enjoy the pasttime with a greater
variety of people, and the pasttime was taken to new levels of
achievement. Time marches on and I'll jump a WonderHog with a round
reserve anyday but there's other gear more practical, more dynamic,
and offers a finer degree of control over my options in almost all
circumstances.
...bsrp
...jlk
Mr. MOM
>
>(sorry, dude - all in fun and I couldn't resist!) LOL
Not a bad zinger JKdink. However......it would take me and most others on the
NG the rest of our lives, to hump Snuffy's leg as much as you already have. I
might rub up against him once in awhile.....but you've been in a perpetual
state of leg fucking ejaculation. Never the less.....not a bad zinger.
Mr. MOM
He may not have been wise enough to keep from getting whacked.....but...he was
wise enough to get rich off of Snuffies money.
Jerry K.
>>Hoffa got caught.
>
>>Chose your advisors carefully
>
>>So, why didn't Hoffa choose his more >carefully, eh?
>
>yeah he made the same mistake many
>USPA people do...he didn't ask me heh.
Heh, funny - still, it doesn't explain why you weren't in Federal
court testifying on his behalf, countering the prosecution, star
witness for the defense. Scared of your brothers in labor who set him
up, eh? Hell, I'd be too - the goons probably knew where you lived
since you were a brother in labor and all.
>
>>Nevermind
>>trusitng his brother in labor who testified >against him.
>
>and probably hired the lawyer for him
No, his legal staff did that - good money after bad - union money -
all in the failed defense of a convicted felon. You'd think the
brothers woulda done better for one of their own - even if they did
set him up in the first place.
>
>>Tight little bunch, those teamsters!
>
>management tactics and fighting for control gee the same problems company
>management suffers.
So, you're saying the labor union needed a labor union to keep from
getting screwed by the labor union. Hell, I can see why you guys were
so knee-jerked towards reaching for a bat and swinging willy-nilly.
Must have been frustrating to be screwed by the brothers who promised
to keep you from getting screwed by the people originally screwing
you. "Being screwed by your company? Hell, unionize! We can screw
you better'n they can!"
>
>>I wonder how much of the USPA dues
>>and airport defense funds have gone into
>BOD pockets or towards their DZ?
>
>
>
>>who knows, when SPX got kicked off the >Leauge City airport in 94 I quit
>>donating to the fund,
>
>>But, what happened to the USPA because this was back when USPA was
>>still good, right?
>
>>the wild and wooly "Outlaw 90's!"
>
>good is too strong a word, better would be closer to the truth.
But you're not around nor are you a member so you don't have any point
of reference with which to understand, in this respect, what's good
and what's better.
>
>
>>I had already been tipped the funds wen't >applied equally to DZ's under city
>>councile attack and were in fact being >moved around to cover other expenses,
>>shudda stopped donating earlier
>
>THAT DAMN INFERNAL new manifest
>software they were coming out with in the 90's kept catching me not renewing my
>USPA membership s u c k s.
Strange - didn't slow me down for a moment. They asked for a card and
I just read them off the number. It was my number - just expired -
and if I had been popped on it, no prob - just have to fork over for a
temporary.
>
>>But you remained a member for years >after. What's up with that?
>>
>
>The need to get my old knee's in the breeze...any up jumper would know what
>that was about IDIOT.
Heh - do you ever imagine that maybe there are people out there today
who are members of the USPA for the *very same reason*? But,
nevermind that - there are lots of places you can jump at without a
USPA membership - I did it all last year but aside from playing the
system against itself, there does exist non-uspa dz's to jump at.
Face it, you were no different from any uspa member today who you
blast for being a member...just a bit more hypocritical.
>
>>Hell, Hoffa ain't got nothing on me.
>>
>>.jlk
>
>Cause yew got a scab mentality more than likely!
Scab mentality...oh yeah - that's a telling shot. Ugh, I'm hit. No,
scab mentality is thinking one can commit fund-fraud and jury
tampering only to be so amateurish about it as to be indicted, have to
hire a bunch of lawyers with other union member's money and then, to
not beat the rap after getting busted! I think teamster goons did him
in (they set him up, afterall) - it was the only way for them to save
face and hell, bat to bone is soothing to most goons.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>ride a hourse
>
>>I never said I would stop buying
>>gas
>
>Afraid yew will get run over going up 290
>to Waller huh?
Going to Waller (or any dz) in anything slower than an automobile
would not be practical for my needs. Hell, I'm not the one who's been
too chicken shit to show his face a Waller for the past...what is
it...six-seven years?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>So, Hoffa wasn't wise you're saying.
>
>He may not have been wise enough to keep from getting whacked.....but...he was
>wise enough to get rich off of Snuffies money.
>
Hell, Jimmie earned it - why shouldn't Hoffa spend it on a lavish
lifestyle?
Seems fair. I mean - those companies screwing the worker over were
just making the company more profitable, keeping the prices down for
the consumer, expanding the business while Hoffa was raking it all in
and doing all the screwing himself - makes those big company screwers
look like amateurs imo.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Mommeeeee!!! Mommeeeeee!!! Hey, has anyone seen my dog Senor Mom?
>>
>>(sorry, dude - all in fun and I couldn't resist!) LOL
>
>Not a bad zinger JKdink. However......it would take me and most others on the
>NG the rest of our lives, to hump Snuffy's leg as much as you already have. I
>might rub up against him once in awhile.....but you've been in a perpetual
>state of leg fucking ejaculation. Never the less.....not a bad zinger.
>
Thanks, and if comparisons must be made, yeah - you're right of course
but still, there's more than enough room on his fat stumps so hump
away.
...bsrp
...jlk
Mr. MOM
>you better'n they can!"
BBBWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
JKdink....now THAT.....was funny!
Mr. MOM
>nevermind that - there are lots of places you can jump at without a
>USPA membership
Yeah??? Where????
- I did it all last year but aside from playing the
>system against itself, there does exist non-uspa dz's to jump at.
And most non USPA DZ's I know of....require membership. Their reason is "for
the liability insurance". They don't care if you have liability or not....they
want you to have USPA's Liability insurance.
Vedfolnir
>I never said I would stop buying
>gas
>Afraid yew will get run over going up 290
>>to Waller?
>Going to Waller (or any dz) in anything >slower than an automobile
>would not be practical for my needs.
tsk tsk tsk car pool with the another kids
Soccer mom ;)
>Hell, I'm not the one who's been
>too chicken shit to show his face a >Waller for the past...what is
>it...six-seven years?
1996 that wud be about 8 but I was
at the DZ in Beaumont in 99, easier to find.
They've 4 laned 290 since I retired...it don't
go thru Waller proper anymore. Drove out after a follow up visit to The Texas
Orthopedic Hospital in 2000 the result of my Beaumont visit btw and cuddn't
find Waller...if I'da been on a beer loving Hourse it wudda prolly been able to
find Pennick road at least....follow the trail of empty green bottles and beer
cans I'm thinking.....btw Is the Hill still in buisness? Cuddn't hack all that
yuppie food at the DZ Cafe. Pasta Salad this, salad that....Quinch BARF.
"Give me a double bacon burger and a beer! I'm front float on base, gotta keep
my arch built" o~;->
Vedfolnir
>He may not have been wise enough to >keep from getting whacked.....but...he
>was enough to get rich off of Snuffies >money.
Kinda like the USPA huh? Except yawl don't get medical besides Union coffers
got most of the money off interest Hoffa
was charging the Mafia for loans...lets
look at the parallel's here.
Dues
Teamsters...Medical, dental...guaranteed work
USPA....No medical or dental no guarantee's atall, insurance for property
damange mostly benifits the DZO's...
Yup the deal with the Mafia was def. the better deal...Yawl need to vote some
hard nosed old Teamsters on to the BOD I'm thinking...They would never fall for
that
"Whats good for the DZ is good for the
skydiver." garbage, hell even all the DZ's benefit----->just the GM's...Your
dues are like an interest free loan to them (((WAIT)))
make that a Grant bwoo haha suckers ;)P
Vedfolnir
>Not a bad zinger JKdink.
Ya must have to be mighty young or a USPA2000 skydiver to understand that one,
went right past me.
>it would take me and most others on the
>NG the rest of our lives, to hump Snuffy's >leg as much as you already have.
Yuh....teaching young skydivers ethics and reasoning ability is a thankless
job.
Somebodys gotta do it though <eg>
Vedfolnir
>you better'n they can!"
>BBBWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!>Mr. MOM
I can tell you kids ain't never done no hard work or had to feed a family. The
union money was good sure but more important.
Companys lost the ability to fire you a thousand miles from home in mid winter
take your company boots & Jacket away and say take the load or hitchike
home....workers are a dime a dozen. Just for refusing to drive a 80,000 pound
rig with bad brakes or leaking air hoses over public highways because getting
them fixed would cut into the profit line..Bet ya never chopped cotton either
Cityboy Scabs Your a dime a dozen and you are company lackys ;-P
Vedfolnir
>USPA membership
>
>Yeah??? Where????
>Mr. MOM
Wuzzn't Jerry the one whinning about having to drive further to jump if we went
back to the SL way only?
>I did it all last year
Only because you didn't get caught, fell through the cracks didn't you?
>playing the
>system against itself, there does exist >non-uspa dz's to jump at.
So you were what, driving from Houston to Lodi to jump? Jimbo drives a lotta
miles out of Nevada to jump or used to but its a Tandem Mill issue not a
licence issue I'm thinking. Also how you playing the system? Is the Manifest
software corrupt
or just the Manifest lady? One thing for sure your jumping at the same places
all the time and you showed a logbook and lic. when you first appeared...Ya
just ain't been caught by the system yet kid..Better hope the wrong people
don't read this thread...No fear we have probably drove them to turn their
computer off till they can make up kill files <snicker>
Vedfolnir
>started working the trucks and loading >docks the pay was 6 cents a mile
>(Road Atlas miles not true miles)
>(Road Atlas miles not true miles)
>$1.80 @ hr. loading/unloading
>no breakdown or layover pay, shit they
>cud hold you out there for months and >not pay...no insurance, no
>dental...Dangerous
>working conditions and ragitty >equipment.
>Hey.....don't blame the company for you >being such a God damned idiot, to
>take
>that kind of shitty paying job in the first >place.
I went into the military at 17, didn't know nothing but how to fire weapons,
throw hand greanades, drive boats, small unit tactics and seamanship....The
Navy did
teach me how to red rat & spel plus drive
jeeps and other vehicles up to 5 tons...Wern't much call for most of those
skills on the civilian market and since I didn't choose to put in 20 ...I
needed honest work. Cudda joined the Merchant Marine Union and went to sea I
rukun but their job dispatch board was worse than the Teamsters and I was
tired of being out of the country...Wudda made more in the Merchant Marine
Union though...Never made over $80,000 a year in the Teamsters.....well maybe a
little over but
mid level management on both sides got to bitching... "He's making more than we
are!" My BA said yeah but look at the hours he works...Somebody ended up
killing him cuz he was too honest...a shame he was a good union man! ;(
Jerry K.
>>Mommeeeee!!! Mommeeeeee!!! Hey, >has anyone seen my dog Senor Mom?
>>sorry, dude - all in fun and I couldn't >resist!) LOL
>
>>Not a bad zinger JKdink.
>
>Ya must have to be mighty young or a USPA2000 skydiver to understand that one,
>went right past me.
>
>>it would take me and most others on the
>>NG the rest of our lives, to hump Snuffy's >leg as much as you already have.
>
>Yuh....teaching young skydivers ethics and reasoning ability is a thankless
>job.
So I've heard.
>Somebodys gotta do it though
Yeah, I suppose somebody should. When is what I want to know.
...bsrp
...jlk