Long haired Video gieek in need of Adoption 0~;)
the unknown flailer
he's dealing with? Being a manly man and falling under the Averages of
Static line training in my era which say it should ease off by 20 and
be about gone by 40 or 50 jumps. And the advice of the time JUST GUT
THROUGH IT...the only advice I can give him is!---------->SUCK IT UP
AFF WUSSYBOY.<------------
Somehow I feel that is not much help...Perhaps I am a bit behind the
times....OK over a decade behind which puts me in last century. But
there has to be at least one a Manly man who is a current & active
skydiver in the GU area that can take him under their wing and baby
him....... As always, a sweet old redneck who cares about all
struggling flailers 0~;) Snuffy patron saint of stupid sheep ohm ohm
ohm him.....HIM
bozo
the unknown flailer wrote:
> Any idea's out there on how to help Jerry K over this Gear Fear
problem
> he's dealing with? Being a manly man and falling under the Averages
of
> Static line training in my era
Your era ????
There never was a "your era". There was just a short time you were
around skydiving and then you were gone...just like 10,000 others.
"Your era".....how pretentious.
bozo
JPO
Perhaps he could be going to Canada for help, cheaper jump ticks in Sk
due to exchange rate, -13 at one SPAS DZ I checking hummm that is very
warm for this time of year, perhaps just cold enough to make him forget
this fear of gear, he might even be interest in buying ROL to use
incase his elbow freeze up eh?????HAHAHAHAHA oh wait I see a hero USAP
name BOZO
may try to help this Jerrycurl.....how J.E. say it Jerrygirl
Regards JPO ho ho ho
the unknown flailer
Well that would have to be my era them....Them other 10,000 people
have their own...although many may have bled over into my era.
The USPA did a survey back in the 90's that said the average time in
the sport before getting borwd and moving on or moving on for what ever
reason was 7 years---that would fit my profile and I claim the 1990's
because thats where my years fell by chance....they didn't do a survey
on the cogers that were trying to hang on 15, 20, 30 years....left it
blank
for fruitfull minds such as mine to reasom the why and wherefore's....
Wanna hear what I think about that jimmybo? ;-o) Snuffy
OK here's the deal, you have no life outside skydiving Jim
pathedic but otoh
If a stroke hadn't saved me I'd probably be just another
pathedic
old man still out there flailing away as a USPA2000 sell out,
going along to get along-rying to recapture my vanished
youth, only my youth vanished longer ago than yours and I
wouldn't float up because most of my bulk is still muscle
be safe
the unknown flailer
Thats not a hero Pierre, its a fat middle aged skydiver with a big
female side out in Nevada, he could probably help little Jerrygirl
though, mother him, buy a beer and hold the crying towel or something
;)P
David
Jim, why are you calling yourself pretentious?
David
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Fucking hilarious. And true.
bozo
have left of a brain.
Thats fucking hilarious.......and true.
bozo
p.s. I expect another attack from Snuffs other self appointed protector
soon.
the unknown flailer
A shakey ego like yours? Good morning would probably be considered an
attack...you need to learn not to take yourself so serious fat boy,
your glory days in the air if they ever exsisted are over. Your'e a god
only in your own mind....relax, don't take shit so personal, go out,
make your few little blubber jumps every weekend and be thankful----one
other thing
Learn to laugh at yourself....you worry about your flail rep. far to
much.
~it don't mean nothing~ Relax, enjoy the sun while it shines, theres a
lot of humor in skydiving. Ya should be coming home from the dz a happy
camper . If not then your'e letting dz politics get the best of you and
wasting money on a sport that has loads of zen & joy. Perhaps you just
ain't matured enough---you know if skydiving ended for you
today.....tomorrow,
next week the rest of the worlds not going to stop. You will soon be
forgotten by all but one or two....Don't worry Chubby, old unkle snuff
and perhaps Tommydink will remember you, but only in amuzement....All
them kids out there at those California DZ's? "Jim who? Oh yeah that
fat old guy who was unremarkable in the air but dieing to be excepted
for his longivity---he fell out of most the formations didn't he?"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Dayum
David
Uh oh, Jimbo's getting his blood pressure too high again. lol
the unknown flailer
Gol dangit---I'm fishing for fancy little perch and here this fat old
Nevada Whale keeps pushing them away to get at the hook....Wreck is
getting to be a tough pond to fish perch in----Think I'll tell a sea
story, wait....thats illegal isn't it? Using TnT to drive off the
whales?
As always, spreading that Redneck MoJo 0~;-* snuffy
the unknown flailer
bozo
HOt damn, I GOT A IDEA....Since you're a fat old high strung Queen and
Jerrys like a dependent little poodle, why don't you adopt him? Kinda
like
Liz Taylor adopted Truman Capote HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SNARF HAW HAW HAW
ching ching zing
Snuffy
the unknown flailer
You think hat chaps you're old poochy bootchie ass ya Queen?
WELL I CLAIM THE 90's, the WHOLE DECADE stick that in your ear kid! As
always ;) Snuffy out on patrol thinking up sea storys <grin>
the unknown flailer
Simmons program
cuz he's an expert on fat lady problem, being one his self....but your
problem is gear fear, mainly pin fixation.....Aw hell I think he
mentioned holding the SL/JM rating once so he kin
probably help ya.. WAIT, he was a TM/JM also sorry, he only knows how
to feel chicks up
hahahaha HAW HAW HAW
hahahahaha
~Snuffy~
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>I dunno Jerry, Jimbo might be able to get you get into a Richard
>Simmons program
I think if it's a trueism tht jb don't float, I don't do aerobic.
Admit it - you just prefer guys in leotards.
>cuz he's an expert on fat lady problem, being one his self....but your
>problem is gear fear, mainly pin fixation.....
Hell, not me so stressed about the pin that he has to check it just
before he puts it on and then a few minutes later once he's walked to
the loading area - lot can happen during those few steps, eh?
>Aw hell I think he
>mentioned holding the SL/JM rating once so he kin
>probably help ya.. WAIT, he was a TM/JM also sorry, he only knows how
>to feel chicks up
When you get down to it, he ain't so nervous about getting himself to
a dz and in that sense I believe he enhances skydiving for the better.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 15 Mar 2005 17:59:15 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >I dunno Jerry, Jimbo might be able to get you get into a Richard
> >Simmons program
>
> I think if it's a trueism tht jb don't float, I don't do aerobic.
> Admit it - you just prefer guys in leotards.
Actually Jimmybo was a TM/JM Prima Donna for years & rates a tu tu I do
believe OTOH I enjoy visual comedy as much as anybody else but even
being a ex sailor and riding nothing much larger than a DE at sea for
years, then 13 months of Round bottomed Chin Junks & Vietmanese food
hardly made me sick but I ain't so sure the sight of that in a tu tu
wouldn't make me toss my cookies heh, thanks for the help kid...were
bound to get a slow burn fanned into a fire sooner or later <;>
Aw hell I think he
> >mentioned holding the SL/JM rating once so he kin
> >probably help ya.. WAIT, he was a TM/JM also sorry, he only knows
how
> >to feel chicks up
>
> When you get down to it, he ain't so nervous about getting himself to
> a dz and in that sense I believe he enhances skydiving for the
better.
in California at least, shall we put him up for the Valley Girl award?
;)
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 15 Mar 2005 17:59:15 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I dunno Jerry, Jimbo might be able to get you get into a Richard
>> >Simmons program
>>
>> I think if it's a trueism tht jb don't float, I don't do aerobic.
>> Admit it - you just prefer guys in leotards.
>
>Actually Jimmybo was a TM/JM Prima Donna for years & rates a tu tu I do
>believe OTOH I enjoy visual comedy as much as anybody else but even
>being a ex sailor and riding nothing much larger than a DE at sea for
>years, then 13 months of Round bottomed Chin Junks & Vietmanese food
>hardly made me sick but I ain't so sure the sight of that in a tu tu
>wouldn't make me toss my cookies heh,
Hell, you're the one imagining it.
> thanks for the help kid...were
>bound to get a slow burn fanned into a fire sooner or later <;>
What, by quoting the jb don't float maxim? No big deal - he's been
telling us that here for years.
>
>
>Aw hell I think he
>> >mentioned holding the SL/JM rating once so he kin
>> >probably help ya.. WAIT, he was a TM/JM also sorry, he only knows
>how
>> >to feel chicks up
>>
>> When you get down to it, he ain't so nervous about getting himself to
>> a dz and in that sense I believe he enhances skydiving for the
>better.
>
>in California at least, shall we put him up for the Valley Girl award?
The Valley is only one, very small part of California and there's far
better Zappa song references which to hang on him if any must be hung.
I mean, for you, "Dumb All Over," or maybe "Bobby Brown," come to mind
but for jb? "Elvis Has Just Left The Building," seems to fit.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Yuh it pleases me cuz I know it wiggles his ears.
I ain't worried though, its a hell of a long way from Neavada
to East Texas....a blimp artta take a while to get here <grin>
No big deal - he's been telling us he don't for years
Tommydink sez otherwise, I just go with the dive flow.
You video types are the ones who need to worry about
floating objects above the formations, seems to me.
No matter, I'm sure himbo don't have pinis fixation so
he might can help you with yer gear fear Jerryboy 0~;)P
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>always quoting the JB floats up maxim?
Actually, it's along the lines of he doesn't float. Get it right.
>
>Yuh it pleases me cuz I know it wiggles his ears.
>I ain't worried though, its a hell of a long way from Neavada
>to East Texas....a blimp artta take a while to get here
Hell, it's also a maxim that if you're falling faster, you're turning
points more sharply.
>
>No big deal - he's been telling us he don't for years
>Tommydink sez otherwise, I just go with the dive flow.
>You video types are the ones who need to worry about
>floating objects above the formations, seems to me.
We try to be prepared for that sorta thing - stuff coming up at ya
happens.
>
>No matter, I'm sure himbo don't have pinis fixation so
>he might can help you with yer gear fear Jerryboy
Wonder if he's as worried about the pin as you are after he's geared
up but before he's boarded?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2005 12:14:30 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >always quoting the JB floats up maxim?
>
> Actually, it's along the lines of he doesn't float. Get it right.
> >
> >Yuh it pleases me cuz I know it wiggles his ears.
> >I ain't worried though, its a hell of a long way from Neavada
> >to East Texas....a blimp artta take a while to get here
>
> Hell, it's also a maxim that if you're falling faster, you're turning
> points more sharply.
>
is considered a out....Quite a few of JB's jumps were as a TM/JM. He
may have started relearning RW too late in life when reflexs slow down
and the flab problem apears....dunno, perhaps if he wore weights and
the base hung on to him hahahaha
> >No big deal - he's been telling us he don't for years
> >Tommydink sez otherwise, I just go with the dive flow.
> >You video types are the ones who need to worry about
> >floating objects above the formations, seems to me.
>
> We try to be prepared for that sorta thing - stuff coming up at ya
> happens.
>
Yeah....I used to chew Red Man & dip snuff, even in the air if it meant
spiting out a fresh chaw for a 60 sec FF, I'd just board with it. It
grossed the deguello chicks out and the pilot wasn't pleased but The
Video Geeks really freaked out ;->
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2005 12:14:30 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >always quoting the JB floats up maxim?
>>
>> Actually, it's along the lines of he doesn't float. Get it right.
>> >
>> >Yuh it pleases me cuz I know it wiggles his ears.
>> >I ain't worried though, its a hell of a long way from Neavada
>> >to East Texas....a blimp artta take a while to get here
>>
>> Hell, it's also a maxim that if you're falling faster, you're turning
>> points more sharply.
>>
> if you can stay in the formation and turn points....
Relative work does indeed apply to the vertical.
>Being high or low
>is considered a out....
Actually, a simpled busted grip is out.
>Quite a few of JB's jumps were as a TM/JM. He
>may have started relearning RW too late in life when reflexs slow down
>and the flab problem apears....dunno, perhaps if he wore weights and
>the base hung on to him hahahaha
>
>> >No big deal - he's been telling us he don't for years
>> >Tommydink sez otherwise, I just go with the dive flow.
>> >You video types are the ones who need to worry about
>> >floating objects above the formations, seems to me.
>>
>> We try to be prepared for that sorta thing - stuff coming up at ya
>> happens.
>>
>Yeah....I used to chew Red Man & dip snuff, even in the air if it meant
>spiting out a fresh chaw for a 60 sec FF, I'd just board with it. It
>grossed the deguello chicks out and the pilot wasn't pleased but The
>Video Geeks really freaked out
Hell, if some dickweed were chewing and spitting in freefall and I was
the camerageek, it's worth dropping down on level just to get a record
of someone in freefall with cheeks flapping and brown saliva all over
their face.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2005 16:17:47 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >> Hell, it's also a maxim that if you're falling faster, you're
turning
> >> points more sharply.
> >>
> > if you can stay in the formation and turn points....
>
> Relative work does indeed apply to the vertical.
>
> >Being high or low
> >is considered a out....
>
> Actually, a simpled busted grip is out.
No thats a missed grip, you can always pick it up on the transition
unless you're truely out of the formation except in some ways of
counting its over till the next jump....kinda like calling your shots
in a 8 ball game....If jim's above or below the formation he's way out
and thats considered a lurker...As a Video Geek you probably don't
consider yourself a lurker but I do----------> GOT THAT Mr. boo hoo
> >Quite a few of JB's jumps were as a TM/JM. He
> >may have started relearning RW too late in life when reflexs slow
down
> >and the flab problem apears....dunno, perhaps if he wore weights and
> >the base hung on to him hahahaha
> >>
> >> We try to be prepared for that sorta thing - stuff coming up at ya
> >> happens.
> >>
> >Yeah....I used to chew Red Man & dip snuff, even in the air if it
meant
> >spiting out a fresh chaw for a 60 sec FF, I'd just board with it. It
> >grossed the deguello chicks out and the pilot wasn't pleased but The
> >Video Geeks really freaked out
>
> Hell, if some dickweed were chewing and spitting in freefall and I
was
> the camerageek, it's worth dropping down on level just to get a
record
> of someone in freefall with cheeks flapping and brown saliva all over
> their face.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
You might not have to my technique was to barrel roll and spit up seety
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2005 16:17:47 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> Hell, it's also a maxim that if you're falling faster, you're
>turning
>> >> points more sharply.
>> >>
>> > if you can stay in the formation and turn points....
>>
>> Relative work does indeed apply to the vertical.
>>
>> >Being high or low
>> >is considered a out....
>>
>> Actually, a simpled busted grip is out.
>
> No thats a missed grip,
busted grip, missed grip - still out. How many rw jumps you got boy?
>you can always pick it up on the transition
>unless you're truely out of the formation except in some ways of
>counting its over till the next jump....
Yeah, well - you pick up that earlier grip on the transistion to the
next point, you're behind the curve and still out.
>kinda like calling your shots
>in a 8 ball game....If jim's above or below the formation he's way out
>and thats considered a lurker...
Even if he's right there but doesn't have the grips he needs to have
for the point, or just out of reach of whoever's taking grips on him -
that's out. Ain't no point coming with out either.
>As a Video Geek you probably don't
>consider yourself a lurker but I do----------> GOT THAT Mr. boo hoo
Yeah, well - your take on things is heavily colored by self-serving
rhetoric. Sour grapes what with theose camera geeks hooting and
hollaring over the vid they'd get of your landings.
>
>> >Quite a few of JB's jumps were as a TM/JM. He
>> >may have started relearning RW too late in life when reflexs slow
>down
>> >and the flab problem apears....dunno, perhaps if he wore weights and
>> >the base hung on to him hahahaha
>> >>
>> >> We try to be prepared for that sorta thing - stuff coming up at ya
>> >> happens.
>> >>
>> >Yeah....I used to chew Red Man & dip snuff, even in the air if it
>meant
>> >spiting out a fresh chaw for a 60 sec FF, I'd just board with it. It
>> >grossed the deguello chicks out and the pilot wasn't pleased but The
>> >Video Geeks really freaked out
>>
>> Hell, if some dickweed were chewing and spitting in freefall and I
>was
>> the camerageek, it's worth dropping down on level just to get a
>record
>> of someone in freefall with cheeks flapping and brown saliva all over
>> their face.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>You might not have to my technique was to barrel roll and spit up seety
Well, then it's a no brainer seeing it coming. The moment you start
flailing out, away, and probably under the formation is the moment to
drop down and get the right angle of you barfing brown juice all over
the skydivers nice enough to jump with you.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2005 19:10:00 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 16 Mar 2005 16:17:47 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Hell, it's also a maxim that if you're falling faster, you're
> >turning
> >> >> points more sharply.
> >> >>
> >> > if you can stay in the formation and turn points....
> >>
> >> Relative work does indeed apply to the vertical.
> >>
> >> >Being high or low
> >> >is considered a out....
> >>
> >> Actually, a simpled busted grip is out.
> >
> > No thats a missed grip,
>
> busted grip, missed grip - still out. How many rw jumps you got boy?
>
> >you can always pick it up on the transition
> >unless you're truely out of the formation except in some ways of
>
> Yeah, well - you pick up that earlier grip on the transistion to the
> next point, you're behind the curve and still out.
>
> >kinda like calling your shots
> >in a 8 ball game....If jim's above or below the formation he's way
out
> >and thats considered a lurker...
>
> Even if he's right there but doesn't have the grips he needs to have
> for the point, or just out of reach of whoever's taking grips on him
-
> that's out. Ain't no point coming with out either.
So we agree JB ain't in....must have floated up again huh? heh heh
>
> >As a Video Geek you probably don't
> >consider yourself a lurker but I do----------> GOT THAT Mr. boo hoo
>
Sour grapes what with theose camera geeks hooting and
hollaring over the vid they'd get of your landings.
Glad they admire F111 turf surfing and classic face plants, two things
skydiving had I really enjoyed till the end, Humor and Zen...I found a
few people whose humor was as outrageous as mine...let them laugh - I
laughed plenty
Damn city slick skydivers...you can be on the ground spitting around
their feet or off the pourch and they gag, weak stomachs you reckon?
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2005 19:10:00 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 16 Mar 2005 16:17:47 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Hell, it's also a maxim that if you're falling faster, you're
>> >turning
>> >> >> points more sharply.
>> >> >>
>> >> > if you can stay in the formation and turn points....
>> >>
>> >> Relative work does indeed apply to the vertical.
>> >>
>> >> >Being high or low
>> >> >is considered a out....
>> >>
>> >> Actually, a simpled busted grip is out.
>> >
>> > No thats a missed grip,
>>
>> busted grip, missed grip - still out. How many rw jumps you got boy?
>Not as many as I wanted, didn't get the Golden Falcon
There is no "Golden Falcon." There's a Silver Falcon and a Golden
Eagle. Which one were you hoping for?
>> >you can always pick it up on the transition
>> >unless you're truely out of the formation except in some ways of
>> >counting its over till the next jump or round....
>>
>> Yeah, well - you pick up that earlier grip on the transistion to the
>> next point, you're behind the curve and still out.
>>
>> >kinda like calling your shots
>> >in a 8 ball game....If jim's above or below the formation he's way
>out
>> >and thats considered a lurker...
>>
>> Even if he's right there but doesn't have the grips he needs to have
>> for the point, or just out of reach of whoever's taking grips on him
>-
>> that's out. Ain't no point coming with out either.
>
>So we agree JB ain't in....must have floated up again huh? heh heh
We haven't addressed any one specific dive he's made.
>>
>> >As a Video Geek you probably don't
>> >consider yourself a lurker but I do----------> GOT THAT Mr. boo hoo
>>
> Sour grapes what with theose camera geeks hooting and
> hollaring over the vid they'd get of your landings.
>
>Glad they admire F111 turf surfing and classic face plants,
Doesn't everybody?
>two things
>skydiving had I really enjoyed till the end, Humor and Zen...I found a
>few people whose humor was as outrageous as mine...let them laugh - I
>laughed plenty
Well, in that I must say I agree-------->log it.
More likely a reminder of the first and maybe only time they dipped
and gagged - the smell is distinctive -especially the Redman or the
wormdirt. Turned me green first time I tried it but I did it enough
for a while to where I got to enjoy it - but no so much to make it
part of my lifestyle.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
The 36 way 2 pointer...I think the Golden Eagle was a 48 way or
something....dunno its been a while since I looked at the
applications---a 36 way probably seems puny now that SDC hosted all
those 300 ways before Roger died but around here at the time you just
about had to go to Quincy to work on or earn something as big as a
Formal 36 way. Although I saw Waller put together a 48 slot
Weedwascker once back around 1994 or early 95. Stood under it ad
watched from the ground-----nie on perfect, a thing of beauty. Don't
remember the name of the Video guy that shot it, he wasn't a long time
regular in the area
but I watched the film and he did a artfull job. Kudos to him and the
flailers that put it together.....it was just a wonderfull thing to
behold.
Now having finally said something good about a Video Geek let me say
this.
It happened a few months before Jerry went thru FJC...I'm using him as
the benchmark for the USPA Skydivers decline (I mean he displays so
much gear fear and pinnis fixation - like that its a wonder he can even
hold a 2-way in the sight ring ROFL) Also I'm against the Megaways like
300 - their to unwieldy imho and skydivers I admired have died on them.
Got that skygods?
(((LOG IT JERRY)))
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2005 20:25:39 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 16 Mar 2005 19:10:00 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 16 Mar 2005 16:17:47 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >> >Being high or low
> >> >> >is considered a out....
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, a simpled busted grip is out.
I think you're looking at it from the competition point of view
kid
Ive only been in one formal point break skydive, the 1995 POPS
scrambles up at SDD in which 3 other guys got me a bronze and I
probably gypped them out of a Silver or Gold because of having only 219
jumps at the time and strictly being a weekend zoo jumper up to that
point. otoh I look at RW from what goes on durning the Average weekend
at any given DZ that can rub 4 or more skydivers together.
> >> busted grip, missed grip - still out.
Ya shouldn't be so negative kid, most skydivers are never going to be
in a formal competition, they will most probably spend a lifetime of
weekends
just trying to hack out a few points at their favorite DZ. So Attention
Novices; even though you miss a grip, relax and maintain the formations
altitude try to pick it up on the tarnsition to the next point (this
can be difficult because you' now out od sync and however many points
the formation was going for is now blown.....irregardless "soldier on!"
even though your prolly gonna catch hell after you land ROFL ;)
>
> >> >you can always pick it up on the transition
> >> >unless you're truely out of the formation
> >> Yeah, well - you pick up that earlier grip on the transistion to
the
> >> next point, you're behind the curve and still out.
tsk tsk tsk first pinnis fixation, now missed grip fear!
> >> >Yup its kinda like calling your shots
> >> >in a 8 ball game....If jim's above or below the formation he's
way
> >out in weekend pickup skydiving and thats considered a lurker...
> >>
> >> Even if he's right there but doesn't have the grips he needs to
have
> >> for the point, or just out of reach of whoever's taking grips on
him
Yup, gotta start at zero again.......Poor ole J.B. hahahaha
So Jerry lets see what we got so far, we agree JB ain't
in....must be a floater or old weekend flailer huh? heh heh
>
> We haven't addressed any one specific dive he's made.
>
Well he's been around a while you know, its a shame he cain't rub two
points together yet 0~;-o
> >> >As a Video Geek you probably don't
> >> >consider yourself a lurker but I do----------> GOT THAT Mr. boo
hoo
> >>
> > Sour grapes what with theose camera geeks hooting and
> > hollaring over the vid they'd get of your landings.
> >
> >Glad they admire F111 turf surfing and classic face plants,
>
> Doesn't everybody?
>
Oh yeah ~ as long as its someone else 0~;) Snuffy
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
64 more like.
>dunno its been a while since I looked at the
>applications---a 36 way probably seems puny now that SDC hosted all
>those 300 ways before Roger died
No, I think most people will agree, 36 is a bigway.
>but around here at the time you just
>about had to go to Quincy to work on or earn something as big as a
>Formal 36 way.
>Although I saw Waller put together a 48 slot
>Weedwascker once back around 1994 or early 95. Stood under it ad
>watched from the ground-----nie on perfect, a thing of beauty. Don't
>remember the name of the Video guy that shot it, he wasn't a long time
>regular in the area
>but I watched the film and he did a artfull job. Kudos to him and the
>flailers that put it together.....it was just a wonderfull thing to
>behold.
Within hours of making my first jump I was down at NASA where they
were doing the Ballunar Liftoff Demo. Got to see some huge formation
(40 something) fall and starburst and there was a high haze so it was
easily seen - very cool. Several years later I mentioned it a a
bonfire and several people, including a teammate said, "That was me -
I was there."
>
>Now having finally said something good about a Video Geek let me say
>this.
>It happened a few months before Jerry went thru FJC...I'm using him as
>the benchmark for the USPA Skydivers decline (I mean he displays so
>much gear fear and pinnis fixation - like that its a wonder he can even
>hold a 2-way in the sight ring ROFL)
Actually, the bigger formations involve less flying on the part of the
vidgeek - but as for some benchmark - I think your conclusiion is more
due with me throwing your shit back atcha than with me beginning to
skydive.
>Also I'm against the Megaways like
>300 - their to unwieldy imho and skydivers I admired have died on them.
>Got that skygods?
Hell, who's expressing his fear now? I mean, if death is the crux,
there's been some unwieldy solos, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2005 20:25:39 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 16 Mar 2005 19:10:00 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> >> On 16 Mar 2005 16:17:47 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >Being high or low
>> >> >> >is considered a out....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually, a simpled busted grip is out.
>
> I think you're looking at it from the competition point of view
>kid
>Ive only been in one formal point break skydive, the 1995 POPS
>scrambles up at SDD in which 3 other guys got me a bronze and I
>probably gypped them out of a Silver or Gold because of having only 219
>jumps at the time and strictly being a weekend zoo jumper up to that
>point. otoh I look at RW from what goes on durning the Average weekend
>at any given DZ that can rub 4 or more skydivers together.
If the oject is to go up and build a point, competion or no, a busted
grip still remains out.
>
>> >> busted grip, missed grip - still out.
>
>Ya shouldn't be so negative kid, most skydivers are never going to be
>in a formal competition, they will most probably spend a lifetime of
>weekends
>just trying to hack out a few points at their favorite DZ.
Oh, okay - busted grip, missed grip, might be almost in.
>So Attention
>Novices; even though you miss a grip, relax and maintain the formations
>altitude try to pick it up on the tarnsition to the next point (this
>can be difficult because you' now out od sync and however many points
>the formation was going for is now blown.....irregardless "soldier on!"
>even though your prolly gonna catch hell after you land ROFL
Most jumps I'm on where building points is the plan, it's not so much
building a pre-determined number but only as many as you can.
>>
>> >> >you can always pick it up on the transition
>> >> >unless you're truely out of the formation
>
>> >> Yeah, well - you pick up that earlier grip on the transistion to
>the
>> >> next point, you're behind the curve and still out.
>
> tsk tsk tsk first pinnis fixation, now missed grip fear!
As opposed to being high or low to the formation fear?
>
>> >> >Yup its kinda like calling your shots
>> >> >in a 8 ball game....If jim's above or below the formation he's
>way
>> >out in weekend pickup skydiving and thats considered a lurker...
>> >>
>> >> Even if he's right there but doesn't have the grips he needs to
>have
>> >> for the point, or just out of reach of whoever's taking grips on
>him
>
> Yup, gotta start at zero again.......Poor ole J.B. hahahaha
>
No, not at zero but at wherever you left off.
> So Jerry lets see what we got so far, we agree JB ain't
>in....must be a floater or old weekend flailer huh? heh heh
We haven't talked anything except suppostion. You present a dive
which jb's on and then maybe we can take it further to whether he's in
or out.
>>
>> We haven't addressed any one specific dive he's made.
>>
>Well he's been around a while you know, its a shame he cain't rub two
>points together yet
Which is also (wishfull) supposition on your part since you've yet to
make a skydive with him or perhaps you're getting this from some
video?
>
>> >> >As a Video Geek you probably don't
>> >> >consider yourself a lurker but I do----------> GOT THAT Mr. boo
>hoo
>> >>
>> > Sour grapes what with theose camera geeks hooting and
>> > hollaring over the vid they'd get of your landings.
>> >
>> >Glad they admire F111 turf surfing and classic face plants,
>>
>> Doesn't everybody?
>>
> Oh yeah ~ as long as its someone else
Yeah, perhaps - I swooped the pond last year and it rocked - ran the
length, dragged a foot for 200 feet, raised a rooster tail, and ran
out of steam about 8 feet from the far shore - settled in the water
standing up, waist deep. You can hear me laughing just before I turn
off the camera while the canopy is flopping ahead of me onto dry land.
First thing I did was go inside to show friends the video because I
knew they'd enjoy it - they did - and I bought beer since it was a
hilarious punctuation to an otherwise, really nice swoop - if I hadn't
dragged my foot so long I woulda made it out.
the unknown flailer
involved
> >> >> busted grip, missed grip - still out.
> >
> >Ya shouldn't be so negative kid, most skydivers are never going to
be
> >in a formal competition, they will most probably spend a lifetime of
> >weekends
> >just trying to hack out a few points at their favorite DZ.
>
> Oh, okay - busted grip, missed grip, might be almost in.
Nope out was not being tucked into your slot within the formation.
Whether high, low or backed out a missed grip was just a missed grip &
no point for the whole formation as long as you didn't fall out and go
low at Leauge City, Anuax\ch and Waller (basically the same group of
divrs) back when I was around...Then we had what was called being in
the wrong slot which led to more "YOU WERE IN MY SLOT!" shouting
match's then all the rest combined at the post dives ;)
>
> >So Attention
> >Novices; even though you miss a grip, relax and maintain the
formations
> >altitude try to pick it up on the tarnsition to the next point (this
> >can be difficult because you' now out od sync and however many
points
> >the formation was going for is now blown.....irregardless "soldier
on!"
> >even though your prolly gonna catch hell after you land ROFL
>
> Most jumps I'm on where building points is the plan, it's not so much
> building a pre-determined number but only as many as you can.
The plan was a minimum of 4 points on the smaller formations like 4 & 8
ways, 2 on 20 ways but everybody went for as many asd they could
get...The 4 & 2 point thing basically followed the USPA's Falcon and
Eagle principles. I think this got rolling because the DZ's always had
more Novices than Master formation people, so we were allways cycling
new ones into the formations & they needed Falcons and Eagles for their
D's later....thats just my surmising now so don't get bent. Them and we
weren't being nice & giving anybody the points, you had to fly your
slot and earn them or be fried to a crisp...The reason a lotta apparent
asshole types worked with the lessor flailers was because this part of
Texas had a lot of competetors, and even the biggest assholes were
looking for fresh meat----so they raised their own ~Capeach~ or am I
talking over your head again?
>
> >>
> >> >> >you can always pick it up on the transition
> >> >> >unless you're truely out of the formation
> >
> >Yeah, well - you pick up that earlier grip on the transistion to
> >the next point, you're behind the curve and still out.
> >
> > tsk tsk tsk first pinnis fixation, now missed grip fear!
>
> As opposed to being high or low to the formation fear?
>
High or low, you could still scare the hell out of them
a. swoop in and dock hard from high
b. If you had long arms and broad shoulders you could hug the beach
ball
without sliding over and turning your chin to see where your slot was
and
pop up right into them....Either way worked for me, I learned early -
put the fear in them skygods and they quit fucking with you but I
wouldn't scatter a formation just to get one asshole....like a bad
Jesus there had to be 3 or more assholes gathered in my name before I
got with them and put the fear into their lives heh heh heh. You think
I'm bad on here? Shit
you just ain't seen me fake people out in the air. Somebody wanted to
be a asshole, I could out do them everytime----a gifted asshole, thats
me ];)
> >> >> >Yup its kinda like calling your shots
> >> >> >in a 8 ball game....If jim's above or below the formation he's
> >way out in weekend pickup skydiving and thats considered a lurker...
> >> >>
> >> >> Even if he's right there but doesn't have the grips he needs to
> >have
> >> >> for the point, or just out of reach of whoever's taking grips
on
> >him
> >
> > Yup, gotta start at zero again.......Poor ole J.B. hahahaha
> >
>
> No, not at zero but at wherever you left off.
>
Well yeah but you only have 60 sec, more than the 35 in competition
certainly only if you're going for a 4 point 16 way lets say---10 or
900 things can slow the building down----count was off, base was
blazing...boondoggle in the door, people slow coming in. You ain't
supposed to start till its built or you ain't got a 16 way, last
straggler gets in and the planner keys the first point, you might have
burned anywhere from 15 to 30 sec building...this is weekend pickup
skydiving ya know...some of the people may not even be from your DZ OK
bang pause bang
pause oops somebody miss's a grip...thats 2 points, people are shook
and out of sync now but they pull together and accidently get one more
point before the wave off lets say. OK by the old counting method you
pulled off a 2 point 16 way ya don't go back and add the last point
because you had to start again from zero...you don't go back and add
the points from the prior pratice loads either capeach? You got a
choice of one or a two point dive....not a 3, ya cain't have both....if
you little fukkers are just skipping over the missed grips and
totalling up all the gripped
points on that one freefall your'e cheating---making it far to easy
this method we used came from how we perceived the rules on USPA Falcon
& Eagle Awards. The points had to be consecutive before being
counted...harsh? Probably cuz I remember when I first started working
on my formation skills----thinking "how chickenshit can it get?
> > So Jerry lets see what we got so far, we agree JB ain't
> >in....must be a floater or old weekend faker huh? heh heh
>
> We haven't talked anything except suppostion. You present a dive
> which jb's on and then maybe we can take it further to whether he's
in
> or out.
>
notttt JB had the AOL newsreader cuz he is middle aged, now that their
dismantling it I figger I can make all the fun I want of him cuz it
will take him a while to figure out another news reader and this shit
will be buried or I'll be gone by the time he gets back to raise hell.
So I'm making hay while the sun shines yahoooo spur that pony! yip yip
yip ya yay ;->
> >>
> >> We haven't addressed any one specific dive he's made.
> >>
> >Well he's been around a while you know, its a shame he cain't rub
two
> >points together yet
>
> Which is also (wishfull) supposition on your part since you've yet to
> make a skydive with him or perhaps you're getting this from some
> video?
skydive? The rat likes to play while the cats away YAAAAAHOO
> >
As a Video Geek you probably don't
consider yourself a lurker but I do----------> GOT THAT Mr. boo
hoo boy
> >> >>
> >> > Sour grapes what with theose camera geeks hooting and
> >> > hollaring over the vid they'd get of your landings.
> >> >
> >> >Glad they admire F111 turf surfing and classic face plants,
> >>
> >> Doesn't everybody?
> >>
> > Oh yeah ~ as long as its someone else eats the grass
>
> Yeah, perhaps - I swooped the pond last year and it rocked - ran the
> length, dragged a foot for 200 feet, raised a rooster tail, and ran
> out of steam about 8 feet from the far shore - settled in the water
> standing up, waist deep. You can hear me laughing just before I turn
> off the camera while the canopy is flopping ahead of me onto dry
land.
> First thing I did was go inside to show friends the video because I
> knew they'd enjoy it - they did - and I bought beer since it was a
> hilarious punctuation to an otherwise, really nice swoop - if I
hadn't
> dragged my foot so long I woulda made it out...
That old small fish pond over my the combo apartment hanger has got
more than one video geek wet, Tony went into it to but he was just
following
another canopy videoing it and set up on the pond accidently I
think...he almost made it to the edge hahahahaha. Dick used to have it
plowed around the bank to keep the earth soft and build it up cause
nobody I knew of back then surfed ponds but plenty of people got caught
over it coming off long spots and pitched out in front of their canopys
trying to make the bank....used to be a old lot owner that would ride a
golf cart over and fish in that old pond...I landed on the roof of his
cart once trying to miss a tree on the hangers side of the pond...shit
it was better than landing on that tuft at the S&A Nationals, the old
boy was cool about it, all he said was "youre scaring the fish Mr."
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
While a funnel might result in people out, it was never suggested that
it was the only way people could find themselves out.
>
>> >> >> busted grip, missed grip - still out.
>> >
>> >Ya shouldn't be so negative kid, most skydivers are never going to
>be
>> >in a formal competition, they will most probably spend a lifetime of
>> >weekends
>> >just trying to hack out a few points at their favorite DZ.
>>
>> Oh, okay - busted grip, missed grip, might be almost in.
>
>Nope out was not being tucked into your slot within the formation.
You shouldn't be so negative, boy - "most skydivers are never going to
be in a formal competition, they will most probably spend a lifetime
of weekends just trying to hack out a few points at their favorite
DZ." Btw - tucked in slot or not, not with the grip or where they
can't be gripped - even if it is almost - it's out.
>Whether high, low or backed out a missed grip was just a missed grip &
>no point for the whole formation as long as you didn't fall out and go
>low at Leauge City, Anuax\ch and Waller (basically the same group of
>divrs) back when I was around...
Right - what I said, but just to take the contrary and to follow your
line of "reasoning," You shouldn't be so negative - "most skydivers
are never going to be in a formal competition, they will most probably
spend a lifetime of weekends just trying to hack out a few points at
their favorite DZ."
>Then we had what was called being in
>the wrong slot which led to more "YOU WERE IN MY SLOT!" shouting
>match's then all the rest combined at the post dives ;)
Gee - all the "you were in my slot shouting matches" I've ever seen
involved laughter, kidding, and yucks - not shouting. Kinda
high-strung those "fun" jumpers of those salad day mid 90's, eh?
>>
>> >So Attention
>> >Novices; even though you miss a grip, relax and maintain the
>formations
>> >altitude try to pick it up on the tarnsition to the next point (this
>> >can be difficult because you' now out od sync and however many
>points
>> >the formation was going for is now blown.....irregardless "soldier
>on!"
>> >even though your prolly gonna catch hell after you land ROFL
>>
>> Most jumps I'm on where building points is the plan, it's not so much
>> building a pre-determined number but only as many as you can.
>
>The plan was a minimum of 4 points on the smaller formations like 4 & 8
>ways, 2 on 20 ways but everybody went for as many asd they could
>get...
Shit, with how high-strung everybody seemed to be, do you think SPX
got shutdown because of all those messy, ritual seppeku's going on
after every jump?
>The 4 & 2 point thing basically followed the USPA's Falcon and
>Eagle principles.
>I think this got rolling because the DZ's always had
>more Novices than Master formation people, so we were allways cycling
>new ones into the formations & they needed Falcons and Eagles for their
>D's later....thats just my surmising now so don't get bent.
No, it makes sense except for the "We" shit - like you were one of the
" Master formation people," tell us another.
>Them and we
>weren't being nice & giving anybody the points, you had to fly your
>slot and earn them or be fried to a crisp...
"Fun" jumps? Starting to sound really skygoddy now.
>The reason a lotta apparent
>asshole types worked with the lessor flailers was because this part of
>Texas had a lot of competetors, and even the biggest assholes were
>looking for fresh meat----so they raised their own ~Capeach~ or am I
>talking over your head again?
I'm still trying to digest the "We" and "Master formation people"
thing. Gotta admit - made me laugh - nice job.
>>
>> >>
>> >> >> >you can always pick it up on the transition
>> >> >> >unless you're truely out of the formation
>> >
>> >Yeah, well - you pick up that earlier grip on the transistion to
>> >the next point, you're behind the curve and still out.
>> >
>> > tsk tsk tsk first pinnis fixation, now missed grip fear!
>>
>> As opposed to being high or low to the formation fear?
>>
>High or low, you could still scare the hell out of them
>a. swoop in and dock hard from high
Let's not forget taking it out.
>b. If you had long arms and broad shoulders you could hug the beach
>ball
>without sliding over and turning your chin to see where your slot was
>and
>pop up right into them....
...and taking it out.
>Either way worked for me, I learned early -
>put the fear in them skygods and they quit fucking with you
Oh, but I'm sure you were first on their list the next time a
formation was being organized - not the who will work good in which
slot list - the other one.
>but I
>wouldn't scatter a formation just to get one asshole....
Hell, I'm thinking the reason for taking it out didn't really lie with
who else was on it.
>like a bad
>Jesus there had to be 3 or more assholes gathered in my name before I
>got with them and put the fear into their lives heh heh heh.
It's no small wonder how you got to the point of buying that sitsuit -
just got sick of being *deluged* with entreaties to come along on
another dive, eh?
>You think
>I'm bad on here?
In a very predictable kind of way but dangerously - naw.
>Shit
>you just ain't seen me fake people out in the air.
Hadn't heard that one yet - go unstable and explain it as a fake out.
>Somebody wanted to
>be a asshole, I could out do them everytime----a gifted asshole, thats
>me
And, lo, the presents that such a gift brings...
>
>> >> >> >Yup its kinda like calling your shots
>> >> >> >in a 8 ball game....If jim's above or below the formation he's
>> >way out in weekend pickup skydiving and thats considered a lurker...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Even if he's right there but doesn't have the grips he needs to
>> >have
>> >> >> for the point, or just out of reach of whoever's taking grips
>on
>> >him
>> >
>> > Yup, gotta start at zero again.......Poor ole J.B. hahahaha
>> >
>>
>> No, not at zero but at wherever you left off.
>>
> Well yeah but you only have 60 sec, more than the 35 in competition
>certainly only if you're going for a 4 point 16 way lets say---
Ummm...you're talking out of your hat again - 16way is a 50 second
working time in competition.
>10 or
>900 things can slow the building down----count was off, base was
>blazing...boondoggle in the door, people slow coming in. You ain't
>supposed to start till its built or you ain't got a 16 way,
Starts the moment the exit happens and people are leaving the plane -
whether it's a base chunk or part of the first point.
>last
>straggler gets in and the planner keys the first point,
No, the key goes to the 2nd point unless the first was a throwaway,
not to be repeated at the top of the page.
>you might have
>burned anywhere from 15 to 30 sec building...this is weekend pickup
>skydiving ya know...some of the people may not even be from your DZ OK
>bang pause bang
>pause oops somebody miss's a grip...thats 2 points, people are shook
>and out of sync now but they pull together and accidently get one more
>point before the wave off lets say. OK by the old counting method you
>pulled off a 2 point 16 way ya don't go back and add the last point
>because you had to start again from zero...you don't go back and add
>the points from the prior pratice loads either capeach?
Seems to me that if the dive is say, engineered for 2 different
points, preceeded by a chunk to facilitate the first point...exit -
chunk builds (some might still be out but that's okay cause it's just
a chunk) - key to *first* point - builds - key to next point...and
back to the top of the page - not the exit chunk.
>You got a
>choice of one or a two point dive....not a 3, ya cain't have both....
You can engineer two points and have it go 2 + X. Called going back
to the top of the page and continuing on.
>if
>you little fukkers are just skipping over the missed grips and
>totalling up all the gripped
>points on that one freefall your'e cheating---
Like I said, if you're out, you're not in, and the point is not built.
I just wasn't so strident about "little fuckers cheating."
>making it far to easy
>this method we used came from how we perceived the rules on USPA Falcon
>& Eagle Awards. The points had to be consecutive before being
>counted...harsh?
No, seems quite reasonable to me - anyone can be out and it's a group
effort thing - even if it is for only one person's personal pursuit of
USPA awards.
>Probably cuz I remember when I first started working
>on my formation skills----thinking "how chickenshit can it get?
Only as chickenshit as you make it or allow it to be.
>
>
>> > So Jerry lets see what we got so far, we agree JB ain't
>> >in....must be a floater or old weekend faker huh? heh heh
>>
>> We haven't talked anything except suppostion. You present a dive
>> which jb's on and then maybe we can take it further to whether he's
>in
>> or out.
>>
> notttt JB had the AOL newsreader cuz he is middle aged, now that their
>dismantling it I figger I can make all the fun I want of him cuz it
>will take him a while to figure out another news reader and this shit
>will be buried or I'll be gone by the time he gets back to raise hell.
Naw, I think he's just ignoring you. Might be reading this crap,
might not, but if he is - it's clearly not worth the effort for him to
comment. Hell, all you've been doing to call him out has been of the
chickenshit, junior highschool chain yanking variety - I think you're
missing him.
>So I'm making hay while the sun shines
How's it go? Sun shines up a dog's ass once in a while? Have a
party, Jin - I still think you miss him.
>> >>
>> >> We haven't addressed any one specific dive he's made.
>> >>
>> >Well he's been around a while you know, its a shame he cain't rub
>two
>> >points together yet
>>
>> Which is also (wishfull) supposition on your part since you've yet to
>> make a skydive with him or perhaps you're getting this from some
>> video?
>
>skydive? The rat likes to play while the cats away
And a stitch in time might ward off bubonic plague. You gotta point?
Different pond - I've always been able to make it out of the pond
south of the hangar (knock wood) - a lot more mud down there and a
longer walk. A few years back we were being managed by Slaton and
since he was (and is) part of the pantheon of world-class swoop guys,
he convinced Dick to let him put in a swoop trench north of the jetA
tank between the trees west of the runway and north stretch of the
runway. He did a good job.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 17 Mar 2005 16:53:29 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 17 Mar 2005 03:53:06 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >Being high or low
> >> >> >> >> >is considered a out....
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Actually, a simpled busted grip is out.
Yup minutely but the big issue in weekend pick up formations by the GU
rules of the time was all counted points had to be consecutive but
tradition required you carry on and catch a grip on the next transition
if the formation didn't funnel (which it generally did...ya just
slogged them out down to wave off....IF you fell out, you were expected
to keep the formation in sight till break off, then turn and track as
if you were still in it. Kinda hard to see if you were low and directly
under them so the thing to do was pull your legs in, stick your arms
straight out and backslide away till you could sight them. Then just
lurk....course ya hadda watch the altitude---somebody between student
status and their A might be 1000 ft lower after the tumble....Hell I've
seen C's and D's way down there lurking....Jack even fell out on one I
was on and couldn't get back up in time----Never laughed, except at
Jack because I had spent a lotta time low myself....Everybody does till
they learn to fly their body in tight confines & big formation
turbulence....Might not even be the low persons fault. After Jack fell
out and he heard us laughing he pitched a snit and gave everybody a
lecture. You know, one of those loud ones from across the hanger? The
crux of it was....Even fun formations are a team effort and if some SOB
isn't flying their slot right the people on either side of them can
have a brain lock and reach. "SOME OF YOU SORRY M'FERS
NEED TO LEARN TO PRESENT" btw I wasn't in a slot on his side of the
formation in case your wondering.
> While a funnel might result in people out, it was never suggested
that
> it was the only way people could find themselves out.
>
Yeah like not getting in......Dunno what JB's problem is, Tom said he
floated up, this leads to me to reason either Tom went low or when they
broke grips neither could maintain fall rate and it just looked like a
floatie... hard to tell, they might have been doing Robins or some
other type of small way....Just about had to be because big formations
tend to slow down as they build....Anyway I bet Tommy dinks sorry he
ever mentioned it. If you get out that way and their together again,
talk them into doing some line abreast fly around drills...this will
tell on the guilty party and help with their altitude control
problems...It takes two to Tango and I ain't to sure Tom ain't the one
dipping ;)
busted grip, missed grip - still out.
Sounds more serious than that, maybe they wern't even in the same
airspace after the exit hahahahaha
you're getting this from some
video?
You gotta point?
Sour grapes what with theose camera geeks hooting and
hollaring over the vid they'd get of your landings.
Glad they admired custom F111 turf surfing and classic face plants,
Doesn't everybody?
Oh yeah ~ as long as its someone else eats the grass
Speaking of which I don't think Jimbo and Tom B could even pull off
a simple kiss pass although its clear their in love 0~;)
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 17 Mar 2005 16:53:29 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 17 Mar 2005 03:53:06 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >Being high or low
>> >> >> >> >> >is considered a out....
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Actually, a simpled busted grip is out.
>
>Yup minutely but the big issue in weekend pick up formations by the GU
>rules of the time was all counted points had to be consecutive but
>tradition required you carry on and catch a grip on the next transition
>if the formation didn't funnel (which it generally did...ya just
>slogged them out down to wave off....IF you fell out, you were expected
>to keep the formation in sight till break off, then turn and track as
>if you were still in it. Kinda hard to see if you were low and directly
>under them so the thing to do was pull your legs in, stick your arms
>straight out and backslide away till you could sight them.
Actually, you'd arm out and back up if you were dropping beneath, turn
90 (easier to see the formation that way when lower and the side of
the head flat catches more air than the face craning up to keep an on
the formation), and make big. Pulling in the legs will back you out
but will do nothing to catch air to get back up to level.
>Then just
>lurk....
To a degree but working to get back in.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
the center? Shit even the ones who funnel to the outside are flailing
around and cud end up under or under and on the opposite side
> that way when lower and the side of
> the head flat catches more air than the face craning up to keep an on
> the formation),
Thats why I said turn your chin and side slip or back up till your far
enoug out to catch sight of the outter ring....If you cain't see the
formation your going to have to move....the old hands recommended a 360
along with a look down first Cause you don't know who else fell out
and where they might be...ya don't wanna back over or slide into any
UFO's.
To you its about getting back up and it won't be hard because you've
jumped camera and flitted around formations shooting since about jump
100 isn't it? The Novices have to learn some rules first and from
scratch....then they have to fall out and pratice them...you know kinda
pratice backing and/or side slipping, breaking arch and hugging the
beach ball etc etc etc turning their chin sideways and rolling their
eyeballs up down and sideways....this shit is being done in the third
dimension, it don't come naturally so they gotta work on it. Thats why
they get their ass's eat out so often at the post dives. Don't be so
self centered kid, just because you have a lotta jumps and can do
certain things with your body-------don't assume everyone can. This is
the root cause of your skygod attitude-----you forgot your own struggle
at 30 or 40 jumps or when ever you started formation work and now with
2500 jumps your trying to walk around acting like you were born in the
air. tsk tsk tsk, maybe its best you just stay a unrated Camera whore,
your not a very deep thinker & fairly impatient Probably would make a
sucky sucky coach or instructor
Most USPA Instruction I saw was given by 30 something year olds and
although they were lithe enough in the air to pass a JCC...They had
that same self involved air you have and could only spiel it out in
rote.
They couldn't get it across very well though because of lack of insight
and wisdom...course the AFF/JM's with fresh ratings were in a sense
beginners their selves ya know learning & earning pratical experience
but I saw some long time AFF/JM's who were ruther duh? duh? duh? types.
No insight. If I happened to do a critique on any of them they got mad
as hell. "Git the fuk out of here! You're a static line student.
Wanna go one to one to settle it buster?
OK you can watch, just quit calling me dilbert and telling my student
"he means this or that"! Don't say nothing now or later I DON'T WANT TO
HEAR IT ASSHOLE! God I lived for that/Make em crack likerotten ice
0~;->
Anyway back to the Novice RW types
Go way low and you' not getting back up which is really a misnomer
"Actually you slow down when you break arch & hug the beach ball And
the formation slowly comes down to you....but same principle ya need to
get off to the side you can do it sideslipping or backing up either
one....if you try to sneak off like the average Novice and track away
don't forget any belly formation is face down and the better RW people
are looking down watching you while they turn points---YOURE GONNA
CATCH HELL LATER and it might be from the ways that exited later plus
the experianced pweople in the formation they were in to start with
(((DON'T DO IT)))
Most total novice formations put "go to the low man" in their dive
plans.
their so desperate for points----a bad habit, screw the low man cuz
youre going to have to unlearn that shit later...
The Deleguello Team Captain and his Lt's were watching us one day...we
had a just off student status 6 way going---even I didn't have a
licence back then, Think we were annoying them or something when Ron
Mills started screaming JUST TURN POINTS WITH WHAT YOU HAVE IN, YOU
BURN TO MUCH ALTITUDE GOING TO THE LOW MAN @#! DUMMYS!
Jack simply said, you're wasting your time. Not ever going to get
better jumping with each other like that...try to weazel in with some
of the experienced fun people. Came down to it we didn't have to, they
felt so sorry for us they asked into our formation...prolly because
some of our shit was so funny..You know we were still at that pumped up
stage...oh yeah, no worry....falcon by tomorrow and the Eagle next
week, were that damn good----Oh yeah were to cool to be true. Plan the
dive on the way up in the plane then Holler READY SET GO till jump run
and door...oh yeah man, we got this thing in the bag HAHAHAHAHAHAHA no
shit, total novices think like that---the D's would be grinning at each
other and saying
"Oh yeah wuffo's you got it, you're gonna blow it in the door.. After a
while Big Larry said, you think all them skygod M'fers can see into the
future or what? "dunno, they have sure been right so far ;)P
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Shoot - and what if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said low
and below and if you're looking to get out from under and up, you get
out from under and up and backsliding out will get you out from under,
sure, but not necesarilly up whereas arms out will still back you out
and keep more air than just a legs in backslide.
>Shit even the ones who funnel to the outside are flailing
>around and cud end up under or under and on the opposite side
Right and if ending up pointed out but still under then legs out even
more to drive out, turn 90 and turn the head to keep things in sight
and catch more air and start working your ass back up.
>
>
>> that way when lower and the side of
>> the head flat catches more air than the face craning up to keep an on
>> the formation),
>Thats why I said turn your chin and side slip or back up till your far
>enoug out to catch sight of the outter ring....
Which woulda been fine except what you said,
"Kinda hard to see if you were low and directly under them so the
thing to do was pull your legs in, stick your arms straight out and
backslide away till you could sight them..."
doesn't make any mention of turning any chins or slipping any slides.
>To you its about getting back up and it won't be hard because you've
>jumped camera and flitted around formations shooting since about jump
>100 isn't it?
Actually "to me," of course it's about getting back up. You think
it's called going low just because it happens to be out? As for
relative difficulty, depends on the formation and what the diver has
to work with but I never suggested it wasn't hard. As for camera,
tried it when I had about 150 jumps, did fine, didn't pick it up again
for another three or four hundred jumps or so.
>The Novices have to learn some rules first and from
>scratch....
Well, scratch and with the help and experience of others - there is
that.
>then they have to fall out and pratice them...you know kinda
>pratice backing and/or side slipping, breaking arch and hugging the
>beach ball etc etc etc turning their chin sideways
There - you actually said it. Good job - you're learning.
>and rolling their
>eyeballs up down and sideways....this shit is being done in the third
>dimension,
Ummm...actually, it's in all four dimensions. Which 3rd dimension
were you referring to? It usually goes, "Heigth, Width, and then
Depth. So, you mean this shit is being done in a forwards and
backwards, an away from & closer to area of recognition?
> it don't come naturally so they gotta work on it. Thats why
>they get their ass's eat out so often at the post dives.
Near as I can tell, when someone's just skydiving in a single
dimension, say only in Depth or back and forth, with little or no
attention to the 1st, 2nd, or 4th dimensions, they get some shit but
it ain't yelling or ass chewings - that bullshit is for the rare
martinet, disciplinarian assmunches with affirmation issues. Now, if
they blow off the 4th dimension - well then - yeah there's some ass
chewings with some groundings if it becomes a habit.
>Don't be so
>self centered kid, just because you have a lotta jumps and can do
>certain things with your body-------don't assume everyone can.
Oh, that's right - you throw some haphazard "advice" up and get
corrected for it, well then - it's all about me assuming everyone can.
No - just because I suggest turning 90 to the formation and head to
the side is a better option than just backsliding and making big does
not in the least suggest that I assume that everyone can. But then,
just because you're throwing some advice out there does not suggest
that I think you assume everyone can't.
>This is
>the root cause of your skygod attitude--
Right - you throw out some advice and you're not the skygod and I
correct you on some stuff and it's all over me.
>--you forgot your own struggle
>at 30 or 40 jumps or when ever you started formation work
Actually, I got invited on a 4way when I had something like eleven
jumps. As for forgetting the struggle? Naw, I remember how that 4way
went and dives going low or being out or docking hard or not at all.
No one forgets that. But then, the mere fact that I say that when low
an arms out 90 and a make big is more efficient than a legs in
backslide without the 90 is just too much evidence towards forgetting
what it is like when you're trying to learn to skydive, eh?
>and now with
>2500 jumps your trying to walk around acting like you were born in the
>air.
Oh yaaaas - because we all know that to hand out advice of any sort -
especially advice which contradicts or corrects something which you
were trying to get across is clearly, acting like someone is born in
the air. Oh, actually it's a little over 3000 but that's not relevant
- the relevance here being the act of correcting you.
>tsk tsk tsk, maybe its best you just stay a unrated Camera whore,
>your not a very deep thinker & fairly impatient Probably would make a
>sucky sucky coach or instructor
Heehee - deep enough to remember his own struggles while trying to get
some semblance of a clue about flying to remember going low and under
and being taught by his betters about arming out, turning 90 from the
formation, and making big.
>Most USPA Instruction I saw was given by 30 something year olds and
>although they were lithe enough in the air to pass a JCC...They had
>that same self involved air you have and could only spiel it out in
>rote.
You mean - they were correcting you pretty much whenever you opened
your mouth as well? Damn - I bet they all forgot their early
struggles and were "acting like they were born in the air, too, eh?
>They couldn't get it across very well though because of lack of insight
>and wisdom...course the AFF/JM's with fresh ratings were in a sense
>beginners their selves ya know learning & earning pratical experience
>but I saw some long time AFF/JM's who were ruther duh? duh? duh? types.
You mean potheads?
>No insight. If I happened to do a critique on any of them they got mad
>as hell. "Git the fuk out of here! You're a static line student.
I think they were being nice - I'm sure they were thinking, "Git the
fuk out of here! You're an idiot."
>Wanna go one to one to settle it buster?
>OK you can watch, just quit calling me dilbert and telling my student
>"he means this or that"! Don't say nothing now or later I DON'T WANT TO
>HEAR IT ASSHOLE!
Probably woulda been better off going one on one "to settle it."
>God I lived for that/Make em crack likerotten ice
Sure beats skydiving, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2005 15:17:20 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> Actually, you'd arm out and back up if you were dropping beneath,
> >turn
> >> 90 (easier to see the formation.
>
>
>
> >...and what if they funneled through
> >the center?
>
> Shoot - and what if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said
low
> and below and if you're looking to get out from under and up, you get
> out from under and up and backsliding out will get you out from
under,
> sure, but not necesarilly up whereas arms out will still back you out
> and keep more air than just a legs in backslide.
They need to get off to the side before poping up cuz ya know a
uncoordinated inexperienced person ain't gonna fly up into his slot
their going to come up under a section and steal someones air, that
person will fall on his back while pulling the people on either side
out and a ripple effect will go around the formation and you lose a
chunk...a lotta these USPA types cain't take a hard hit, somebody might
get hurt fuk the mutt, He funnled, thats tensing up and now he's
probably shook up...if he gets back up his next problem is "where is
his slot? While all this has been going on the formation is burning
altituse beause in all probability
they have been watching him and waiting to see what he's going to do
next.
Nope screw him, he ain't getting back in...needs a few hundred jumps
under his belt first...if he can get back up fine but he needs to lurk
and keep a eye on the formation no matter where he's at cuz when break
off comes buisness is going to pick up. If he ain't looking and knowing
which way and when to track he might get his block knocked off....Lets
just pray if he's in anybodys track line he can out track them..better
off if he stays low or goes on up and scares the hell out of the
Cameraman I'm thinking.
I'd go for the Video Geek myself and score extra points
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DAYUM ;)p
>
> Right and if ending up pointed out but still under then legs out even
> more to drive out, turn 90 and turn the head to keep things in sight
> and catch more air and start working your ass back up.
>
You reckon the guy has 2500 jumps and a batman suit or what? I think
not
> >> the side of
> >> the head flat catches more air than the face craning up to keep an
on
> >> the formation),
>
> >Thats why I said turn your chin and side slip or back up till your
far
> >enoug out to catch sight of the outter ring....
>
> Which woulda been fine except what you said,
>
> "Kinda hard to see if you were low and directly under them so the
> thing to do was pull your legs in, stick your arms straight out and
> backslide away till you could sight them..."
>
> doesn't make any mention of turning any chins or slipping any slides.
What, 2500 jumps and you don't know this shit yet? tsk tsk tsk
> Actually "to me," of course it's about getting back up.
yeah or people would start calling yo a sucky flyer for a camera
man...I can hear it now....fell on someone's back, funnled and couldn't
get back high...he got good pictures of his feet & hands though, every
once in a while ya can see whats left of the formation flash past once
in a while though. What happened, he has 2500 jumps? Dunno a monkey
must have flew up his ass or he followed that crazy old mans
instructions over the internet on how to take out a formation in one
easy step. Ya git in a bind Jerry
just think of me....it won't seem so bad then
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 18 Mar 2005 15:17:20 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >> Actually, you'd arm out and back up if you were dropping beneath,
>> >turn
>> >> 90 (easier to see the formation.
>>
>>
>>
>> >...and what if they funneled through
>> >the center?
>>
>> Shoot - and what if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said
>low
>> and below and if you're looking to get out from under and up, you get
>> out from under and up and backsliding out will get you out from
>under,
>> sure, but not necesarilly up whereas arms out will still back you out
>> and keep more air than just a legs in backslide.
>
>They need to get off to the side before poping up cuz ya know a
>uncoordinated inexperienced person ain't gonna fly up into his slot
>their going to come up under a section and steal someones air,
But, you know - sometimes even inexperinced skydivers do it right.
Could be luck or natural ability or maybe even someone told 'em what
to do and what's possible. They could certainly drop out and under
and they do need to get out from under but getting out from under by
dropping out more ain't a solution - it's getting out while driving
out and back up. Seems to me you just wanna keep new skydivers two
steps behind so you can (if you went to dz's that is) yell at 'em
afterwards - here so you can pretend some sorta bullshit knowledge or
"mastery." <larf>. I say if you're dropping out you need to get back
and if you're under you need to get out from under and this can be
accomplished a lot more efficiently if you cup and drive or slide and
in so doing, use that air to assist you in driving or sliding out with
minimum level lost - and so to remain that much closer to getting back
in.
>that
>person will fall on his back while pulling the people on either side
>out and a ripple effect will go around the formation and you lose a
>chunk...
And ya know? Sometimes that person will drive or slide out from under
and up near where he needs to be quickly and efficiently. Didn't know
they had it in them but ya know, many do - just a matter of
understanding what's possible and going for it. Little luck ain't bad
either.
>a lotta these USPA types cain't take a hard hit, somebody might
>get hurt fuk the mutt,
Comes with the territory sometimes, ya know?
>He funnled, thats tensing up and now he's
>probably shook up...if he gets back up his next problem is "where is
>his slot?
Maybe he took a hit and couldn't take it, eh? Yeah, well - why bother
having new jumpers along at all, eh? They're just gonna be going from
out of the frying pan into the fire, no doubt? You sound like someone
trying to organize a dive for your own personal glory rather than
maybe giving a new jumper a taste of what's possible.
>While all this has been going on the formation is burning
>altituse beause in all probability
>they have been watching him and waiting to see what he's going to do
>next.
Hell, they could be making faces at each other, for that matter - duh
- yeah - the formation all this time has been burning altitude. It's
primarily that 1st and 4th dimension thing, ya know?
>Nope screw him, he ain't getting back in...needs a few hundred jumps
>under his belt first...
Fuck'n skygod.
>if he can get back up fine but he needs to lurk
>and keep a eye on the formation no matter where he's at cuz when break
>off comes buisness is going to pick up.
Of course, you could hip him to this good idea before the jump but ya
know? A new jumper who does head's up things? Gotta search harder
for an excuse to belittle them and make yourself feel good. Best not
tell him before - the little bastard might follow directions.
>If he ain't looking and knowing
>which way and when to track he might get his block knocked off....
And ya know? Do you think that maybe before the dive when a breakoff
altitude was mentioned - he mighta been been listening? Nawww!!!!
Sorry - that was ridiculous, I know.
>Lets
>just pray if he's in anybodys track line he can out track them..
Well, if he's out he's got a head start so that's gotta help and if
he's low, aside from right of way, someone tracking from behind
towards that vector should be able to pick him up and keep clear while
keeping an eye on him. Shit, I'm surprised you had this suppositional
skydiver along in the first place - sure complaining and worrying a
lot over his ass, theortical though it may be.
>better
>off if he stays low or goes on up and scares the hell out of the
>Cameraman I'm thinking.
Yeah - anything's better than someone dropping out of a formation and
getting back up into the formation - at least anything's better than
this happening on a formation you might be on. Just keep in mind the
guy isn't trying to get back in as a matter of rubbing your face in it
- though it might seem that way - he just probably wants to get back
in because that's where it's at - it's what was practiced on the
ground.
>I'd go for the Video Geek myself and score extra points
Had a fellow try that once - saw him coming a mile away. Rodeo'd his
ass. He said he'd thought I'd be focused on the formation and
wouldn't see him coming. Can't blame him for trying.
>>
>> Right and if ending up pointed out but still under then legs out even
>> more to drive out, turn 90 and turn the head to keep things in sight
>> and catch more air and start working your ass back up.
>>
>You reckon the guy has 2500 jumps and a batman suit or what? I think
>not
Are we talking about the theorectical new jumper on this theoretcial
skydive or jb? Doesn't matter - don't need a special suit to turn a
90, turn the head, and start cupping air.
>> >> the side of
>> >> the head flat catches more air than the face craning up to keep an
>on
>> >> the formation),
>>
>> >Thats why I said turn your chin and side slip or back up till your
>far
>> >enoug out to catch sight of the outter ring....
>>
>> Which woulda been fine except what you said,
>>
>> "Kinda hard to see if you were low and directly under them so the
>> thing to do was pull your legs in, stick your arms straight out and
>> backslide away till you could sight them..."
>>
>> doesn't make any mention of turning any chins or slipping any slides.
>
>What, 2500 jumps and you don't know this shit yet? tsk tsk tsk
Never said I did. But then, as little as I know, it's clearly worlds
more than you - and that's not much.
>
>> Actually "to me," of course it's about getting back up.
>
>yeah or people would start calling yo a sucky flyer for a camera
>man...I can hear it now....
Spit in one hand and wish with the other - how's that been going btw -
palm a little wrinkled? Mouth a little dry? How're the wishes
stacking up?
>fell on someone's back, funnled and couldn't
>get back high...
Oh, that's definitely happened - it was a helluva lot of fun! I mean,
I was cuss'n while I was dropping out but laughing by the time I was
pitching out.
>he got good pictures of his feet & hands though, every
>once in a while ya can see whats left of the formation flash past once
>in a while though.
Oh, you're talking video - I see - thought you were talking about
maybe an amusing rw jump I'd made before. As for video, naw, haven't
crashed a formation yet that I wasn't back up over within a few
seconds (knock wood) and actually, been lucky - haven't so much as
brushed a tail since early 2002 (knock wood bigtime). I'm due.
>What happened, he has 2500 jumps?
Thereabouts. Little over 3k but who's counting?
>Dunno a monkey
>must have flew up his ass or he followed that crazy old mans
>instructions over the internet on how to take out a formation in one
>easy step.
Heh - as if - I'll be the first to admit I'm dumber n' most but I
ain't as stupid as that. <feel free to snip for future out of context
comfort opportunities>
>Ya git in a bind Jerry
>just think of me....it won't seem so bad then
I admit, I drink enough beer and eat enough dz food - later when I'm
sitting in the portocan and working the bind out - you have indeed
crossed my mind. Didn't make it any better at the time but just like
me leaving what I left in there, it wasn't so bad when I came on out
and left what I was thinking about in there behind as well.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2005 19:34:29 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 18 Mar 2005 15:17:20 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> Shoot - and what if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said
> >low and below and if you're looking to get out from under and up,
you
> >get out from under and up and backsliding out will get you out from
> >under, sure, but not necesarilly up whereas arms out will still back
you out and keep more air than just a legs in backslide.
believe I sais pull in the legs and extend arms, that side slip shit
might have been OK for us but a sideslip will burn more altitude than a
back slide and I though you wanted the 51 jump wonder to get back up
Jeeeeeerry - gee your a little tense kid, looks like you posted this
friday...I'm going to wright it off as you being worried about your pin
already hahahaha Nope screw him, he ain't getting back in...needs a few
hundred RW jumps under his belt first...
>
> Fuck'n skygod.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Whats this? I thought you said I wasn't experienced enough to be a
skygod
Less than 400 RW jumps? Gripping left right up down? Call me sticky
wicky
You got 2500 video jumps? Mostly OUT, WITH NO GRIPS? you no got the
wicky or sticky, you be the cain't get a grip skygod sonnyboy 0~;-*
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Being a skygod has little to do with skydiving ability. It's really
little more than an insult which describes an attitude of arrogance.
>Less than 400 RW jumps? Gripping left right up down? Call me sticky
>wicky
Naw, dingleberry is so much more apropos.
>You got 2500 video jumps?
Naw - maybe a thousand less than that.
>Mostly OUT, WITH NO GRIPS?
Hell, even when you were trying to be in with grips - it rarely
worked out that way.
>you no got the
>wicky or sticky,
Whatever the fuck that is. Imagine my loss.
>you be the cain't get a grip skygod sonnyboy
Naw, ain't me saying that just because someone goes low and can't get
back in means they need a few hundred more jumps. Going low is not
uncommon. It happens more to new jumpers but in most of the cases
I've seen - the experienced jumpers who do it (and they do) catch a
lot more shit for it. Is this why you're so bitter? You go low,
publicly humiliate yourself (or, at least, you imagine yourself
humiliated), someone says you need at least a few hundred jumps more
to come along again and then comes that sitsuit oblivion? Is that
what went down? Several hundred jumps not enough for you?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2005 20:06:39 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 18 Mar 2005 19:34:29 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 18 Mar 2005 15:17:20 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >Tsk Tsk Tsk
> >> >low and below
>> Fuck'n skygod.
> >>
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
> >
> >Whats this? I thought you said I wasn't experienced enough to be a
> >skygod
>
> Being a skygod has little to do with skydiving ability. It's really
> little more than an insult which describes an attitude of arrogance.
> > ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Try to focus ding bat, now who do you think was causing the missed
grips, Jimbo or Tom B? Never assume anything in this sport. Tommy seems
less skygoddy than Jimbo but he may have been screwing the bozo....you
understand what latent homosexuality is don't ya? Well latent skygods
exsit also you know, I'm beginning to suspect Tom is pointing the
finger
to draw attention away from the real culprit on that jump. ROFL
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 19 Mar 2005 20:06:39 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 18 Mar 2005 19:34:29 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> >> On 18 Mar 2005 15:17:20 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >Tsk Tsk Tsk
>if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said
>> >> >low and below
>
>>> Fuck'n skygod.
>> >>
>> >> ...bsrp
>> >> ...jlk
>> >
>> >Whats this? I thought you said I wasn't experienced enough to be a
>> >skygod
>>
>> Being a skygod has little to do with skydiving ability. It's really
>> little more than an insult which describes an attitude of arrogance.
>> > ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Try to focus ding bat, now who do you think was causing the missed
>grips, Jimbo or Tom B?
Haven't seen the vid but based on the idea of two skydivers missing
grips, the answer might well be relative if you're looking to assign
blame for such a thing.
>Never assume anything in this sport.
What, like it's okay to fly maybe "on the edge" because of the
assumption that everyone has an AAD? It's an asssumption you've made.
How 'bout it?
>Tommy seems
>less skygoddy than Jimbo but he may have been screwing the bozo....
Why's this? Because Tommy yanks your chain while jb pretty much
displays contempt for you or do you have some other factor in mind
when assigning skygoddy status to people you've both never met or ever
jumped with?
>you
>understand what latent homosexuality is don't ya?
Well, I certainly suspect your hidden desires - that's a pretty sloppy
pass, Jinnie - but in a real world experience sort of venue, no - I'm
the whuffo when it it comes to that. Whuffo you homo?
>Well latent skygods
>exsit also you know,
So, if their "skygoddiness" is latent then I would certainly say that
your propensity for skygod behaviour is blatant.
>I'm beginning to suspect Tom is pointing the
>finger
>to draw attention away from the real culprit on that jump.
You have nothing to worry about - latent to skydiving as you are.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 21 Mar 2005 05:56:49 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 19 Mar 2005 20:06:39 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 18 Mar 2005 19:34:29 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> >> On 18 Mar 2005 15:17:20 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >Tsk Tsk Tsk
> >if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said
> >> >> >low and below
> >
> >>> Fuck'n skygod.
> >> >>
> >> >> ...bsrp
> >> >> ...jlk
> >> >
missed grips, Jimbo or Tom B?
>
> assumption that everyone has an AAD? It's an asssumption you've
made.
> How 'bout it?
Wrong, a modern AAD like the cypres is more a money issue than a choice
issue....if most people had a choice including me, they wudda had or
have a cypres...I chose beer and block jump tickets over a AAD
I can see the pro's and con's both ways...theres a go low stage most
skydivers go thru...usually below 200 jumps starting at about 50 and
tapering off at around 150 or 175 somewhere. They learn to trust their
gear and packing at around 30 or 40 jumps the last dregs of unease are
gone by 50 so they begin to push the edge by experimenting and trying
to advance air skills faster...In that stage a AAD might cause them
some problems...either way if they have one it usually effects their
thinking
"Shit no problem, I cain't bounce or get hurt now." ((((((WRONG))))))
Dead Mike had one I'm sure...we went thru FJC around the same time at
the old SPX...I developed a distaste for AAD's because the student gear
had FXC's on them back then, they rattled when you moved & being about
the size a cigarette pack or two gouged ya thru the rig, even though on
the reserve flap side of the container, Gouged yo right between the top
of the shoulder blades below or around T5. We got a lecture one safety
day
that amounted to: You renters blow a FXC cutter on one of our student
rigs you pay $50, the thing was the one's we had were apt to activate
plus or minus between----->Exit and Ground level plus or minus
hahahahaha
When you started in 95, most of the student rigs may have had that new
fangled Cypress but by then I had made a few hundred zoo jumps sans aad
and saw them as uneasy for heads up skydivers like me, hell I had a
Bronze RW medal didn't I? (see, this is how all skydivers worth their
salt think secretly I'm thinking "I won't be the one to burn in, it
will be somebody else!"
Factor in the Cypres Natzi's attitudes and I'm ready to fight because
it becomes a choice option in my mind. I notice the DZ's that require
them, never offer you a deep wholesale discount to buy one thru them
plus many
of those same AAD mandantory DZO's may say "Hook Rurning Allowed"
More people now days die under canopy likely as not.
This is not only poor thinking and a double standard but lead's me to
believe its a profit issue to them M o n e y, the same issue I
mentioned
when speaking of why many skydivers still o not have them
> >Tommy seems
> >less skygoddy than Jimbo but he may have been screwing the bozo....
>
> Why's this? Because Tommy yanks your chain while jb pretty much
> displays contempt for you or do you have some other factor in mind
> when assigning skygoddy status to people you've both never met or
ever
> jumped with?
We CoVans didn't know many of the PLF/NLF in our A.O.'s personally but
that didn't stop us from reading them like a open book then
interdicting
All it takes is the best training available and practical experience
understanding the culture...course being a tricky thinker or having a
devious mind didn't hurt any either HAHAHAHAHAHAHA DAYUM
>
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 21 Mar 2005 05:56:49 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>> >> >Tsk Tsk Tsk
>> >if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said
>> >> >> >low and below
>> >
>> >>> Fuck'n skygod.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ...bsrp
>> >> >> ...jlk
>> >> >
>> >> >Whats this? Try to focus ya young ding bat, now who do you think
> > >> >was causing the missed grips, Jimbo or Tom B?
>>
>> Haven't seen the vid but based on the idea of two skydivers missing
>> grips, the answer might well be relative if you're looking to assign
>> blame for such a thing.
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Not assign blame, just get to the bottom of the problem....
The bottom of the problem is rooted in you having a problem with two
other people you've never met, never jumped with, making a skydive
you've never seen.
>if I had
>video
>of it, the cause would stand out like a red barn and the case would be
>closed.
Well then, since you don't then any and all consideration of the
problem, without any relevant information to consider is mere
supposition and any conclusion comes down to pure assumption.
>Perhaps I could help them fix it although one or both would
>probably end up totally pissed off...
That is supposition arriving at an assumption.
>I have a long time NCO's eye for
>detail.
Especially if there is a detail which might in the most tenuous way
possible support or suggest an affirmation of your rhetoric and
yourself.
>Devil Woman sent me a tape of the @ boogie down in Florida
>years ago, she tacked some RW formations on the end...I critiqued them
>right on wreck, shit Jimbo didn't talk to me for six months afterward.
Well, you critiquing rw is kinda hard to swallow - maybe his ribs were
hurting from laughing so hard.
>Hes got a raving case of USPA ego you know
Gee - is that a subtle attempt to draw him out? Whoa - how could he
not go for such intriguing bait?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> >> >Tsk Tsk Tsk
> >if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said
> >> >> >low and below
> >
> >>> Fuck'n skygod.
> >> >>
> >> >> ...bsrp
> >> >> ...jlk
> >> >
> >> >Whats this? Try to focus ya young ding bat, now who do you think
> >> >was causing the missed grips, Jimbo or Tom B?
>
> Haven't seen the vid but based on the idea of two skydivers missing
> grips, the answer might well be relative if you're looking to assign
> blame for such a thing.
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Not assign blame, just get to the bottom of the problem....if I had
video
of it, the cause would stand out like a red barn and the case would be
closed. Perhaps I could help them fix it although one or both would
probably end up totally pissed off...I have a long time NCO's eye for
detail. Devil Woman sent me a tape of the @ boogie down in Florida
years ago, she tacked some RW formations on the end...I critiqued them
right on wreck, shit Jimbo didn't talk to me for six months afterward.
Hes got a raving case of USPA ego you know <evil grin>
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 21 Mar 2005 11:20:53 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 21 Mar 2005 05:56:49 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> >Tsk Tsk Tsk
>> >> >if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said
>> >> >> >> >low and below
>> >> >
>Fuck'n skygod.
>
>>Who's causing the missed grips, Jimbo or Tom B?
>>Truth be known, at their age it was probably a mutual circle jerj
>
>Haven't seen the vid but based on the idea of two skydivers missing
>grips, the answer might well be relative if you're looking to assign
>blame for such a thing.
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
>Isn't that the whole object of formation work?
What, assign blame? Yeah, that sounds about right coming from you.
>Solving problems and
>turning out some points?
Oh, that - the point to relative work is as varied as there are people
who fly it but usually the idea is to plan a dive, make a dive, and
it's only after that points become relevant and for some,
they'realways far from relevant. Points sometimes results but for the
really good, like champions, I've ever heard talk on the subject - it
ain't about the points - they'll come or they won't. Forcing it is
self-defeating.
>Thats why divrs get benched, their screwing
>the pooch...
Divers get "benched" for a variety of reasons but usually the axe only
is falling on parts of bigways where the goal is not so much to turn
points, but building the formation and if sequential, size and moving
through the sequence - but those examples in of themselves do not
constitute all that rw is.
>Geeze if they benched each other, we would have nothing to
>make fun of.
It was just one bitter experience after another for you in skydiving,
I gather.
>Well perhaps not another pair of vain peckerwoods would
>probably be along in a minute blaming each other for the seperation
You mean like you trying to figure out who is to blame (as if anything
was to be blamed) concerning this suppostiional dive of jb's and
Tom's?
>
>> The bottom of the problem is rooted in you having a problem with two
>> other people you've never met, never jumped with, making a skydive
>> you've never seen.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>
>And thank god for that ROFL
I hear ya - if you had seen it, you'd probably have work more arcane
angles towards the rhetorical bullshit.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 21 Mar 2005 11:20:53 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 21 Mar 2005 05:56:49 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >> >Tsk Tsk Tsk
> >> >if monkeys were flying out of your ass? You said
> >> >> >> >low and below
> >> >
Fuck'n skygod.
Who's causing the missed grips, Jimbo or Tom B?
Truth be known, at their age it was probably a mutual circle jerj
Haven't seen the vid but based on the idea of two skydivers missing
grips, the answer might well be relative if you're looking to assign
blame for such a thing.
...bsrp
...jlk
Isn't that the whole object of formation work? Solving problems and
turning out some points? Thats why divrs get benched, their screwing
the pooch...Geeze if they benched each other, we would have nothing to
make fun of. Well perhaps not another pair of vain peckerwoods would
probably be along in a minute blaming each other for the seperation
<grin>
> The bottom of the problem is rooted in you having a problem with two
> other people you've never met, never jumped with, making a skydive
> you've never seen.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
And thank god for that ROFL ;)p