I wonder if they are related to jump stories "No shit, there I was..."
Don
There it is, they came about to break the monotony of sea routine
which could go on for months, We has MM movies on the fan tail but
exchanged movies with other war ships in the area when we met them,
sometimes we traded the same movie back and forth 3 or 4 times on one
cruise----Mail? Maybe if you had a planned replenishment at sea.
Family grams? The fricking Chi com & their Soviet buddies jammed our
radio waves so you were lucky to get even one in a 6 or 7 month
cruise.....Sea stories were mainly meant to be entertaining.....If you
didn't make the listeners laugh or groan then, you didn't have it down
right yet. Like everything else, the USMC has they picked up the sea
story tradition from the Navy. Damn idiots, we taught them everything
they know and they just bitch about it. 0~;)
Yep, every good sea story has to have a kernel of truth in it like a
good fishing story. The size of the fish & struggle bringing it in
just gets blown out of proportion. Outside influences have to be
involved. The truth might be.....You did go fishing but drank more
beer than caught fish.....not to mention the fish you caught was a
minnow but suddenly it becomes the size of Moby Dick and tries to kill
you, your boat turned over and it was hand to hand combat. After
subduing the killer fish & saving your drunk buddies you swim to shore
where a bear comes out of the woods and tries to take your life and
the fish but you prevailed because Mom was praying for you & God was
on your side. Another thing about both sea and war stories - The
longer ago it was, the bigger the story gets! 0~;)
. Yup, I'm UDT qualified, Basic Airborne Qualified,
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You are? Wow, how did you manage that first one without being in the
Navy Chuck? and Airborne to, whats with that- - -PFC's guarding dipsy
dumpsters had to parachute into the garbage collection area? ;)P
~sing the song, you know the one I like~
I didn't put it on the end so it got cut off - Thats called editing
what Jealous idiots who couldn't get in the Navy and had to be
Marines write
> By the time that I was 18, I was already an NCO Jimmy and serving in
> Vietnam. As you tell your story, you were 28-29 before someone gave
> you the order to go (1969) and you got scared and quit.
I'll have to look it up but I'm thinking I was a 2nd class (E-5) when
I was 19 and that was even after having to make seaman (E-3) twice.
had been to Vietnam once, their was talk of leaving me in the
Philippines because I wasn't 18 yet but the 1st LT
said "hell, we have already put the underage kids in Armed Landing
Party's and thrown it against the Moro's....Whats the difference? So I/
we went....There was more than one 17 year old sailor aboard that old
WWII ship.
And it wasn't
> even a ground combat assignment. Submit documented proof before you
> try to rebut with your usual drivel. Otherwise keep your pie hole
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You are not worthy Chuck - You're a damn cry baby - a little taste of
Tet and the yellow is still running down your back, I liken it to
casting pearls before swine.
~Sing the song for me baby boomer, you know the one I
like~
I think most readers on wreck can recognize a attempt at DZ style
politics.
I retract nothing and theirs no need to document you are a jealous
idiot.
Didn't even make buck Sargent did you? You weren't a good Marine
Chuck.
Some types you can't trust with power, because they tend to abuse it-
- - -Slav's (look at what the Russians did to eastern Europe), short
people with Napoleon complexes and bi-polar baby boomer's who watched
to many John Wayne movies....I'm glad the USMC isn't as stupid &
inefficient as it appears. Must be
the Navy Influence from the olden days...Should have struck for FMF
duty boot. ;)P
Maybe later in the war....after the Marines landed but pre65 the 17
year old rule
came from CINCPACFLT -and Navy traditions required sea going Captains
to use their own judgement....My Captain was a WWII Officer - he had
seen plenty of young sailors die. By my last time the Dept of Navy had
tightened up in a attempt to Micro manage....To be a field level
Adviser by 1969, you had to be a E-5 or above, that effectively
covered the 17 year old problems but it left the LT's and LTJG
out there on the river teams at the mercy of some salty ass sailors
hahahahaha.
I liked to point out to mine that rung wise rank to rank if you placed
the Officers chart beside the Enlisted rank chart....I would be at the
Rear Admiral (lower half)
level - bless his heart, a .45 was laying on the table and he didn't
pick it up and shoot me. I also used to set at the picnic table we
used for cleaning weapons humming. Then stop...One of the two
Officers, sometimes both would say
"OK say it Chef and get back to work!"
I was just thinking, you know how a ships roster says so many officers
and so many men? My first ship out of boot camp said 12 Officers and
135 men, why don't they record yawl as men?" heh
"BECAUSE WERE GENTLEMEN DAMMIT"
uh it don't say gentlemen on the roster sir.
"You are not going to make me mad enough to transfer you out Chief,
GIVE IT UP!"
"Aw shit, thats not a gentlemanly attitude sir."
"Well, since you are equivalent to a Admiral and we are going to need
one for the shit burning detail next week I can not take offense- - -
how about that, feel better?" heh I had no answer for that one. ;)
The Navy had men over there as early as 1954 working with the South
Vietnamese
Navy....Ships making ports of call-showing the flag, doing marine
surveys etc etc etc. The seriously bad attitude stuff didn't start
till the USS Turner Joy went to far up north and the North sent FPB's
into the Gulf to sink or drive her away from their coast. Vietnam was
a beautiful country the first time I saw it even though their was a
minor guerrilla war going on in the back country. Its stayed rather
exotic and beautiful until 1965
(I was in & out of there several times before drawing 13 months of in
country duty) But--------> when the Marines landed and began to shit
on everything, that drew the North Vietnamese Army like flies and the
fight was on, you don't know shit about the country, the war or the
olden military do you boy? All you know is you're envious and it
hurts........Mmmmmmmm let the old sea dog kiss it and make it better,
don't cry kid or you could try sticking a finger down your throat and
throwing up ROFL 0~;)P
that's a good one Jimmy, you must get together with the
> Department of the Navy History Branch to set the record straight,
> while you're at it, contact the History Channel to advise them of the
> Navy's secret so secret war in Vietnam, that only seaman 2nd Class
> Jimmy Smith was in attendance.
Seaman 2nd Class went out at the end of WWII, you were either a Seaman
recruit
(E-1) Seaman Apprentice (E-2) or a Seaman (E-3) the class designations
were reserved for mid level Petty Officers - 3rd class, 2nd class, 1st
class thats E-4,
E-5 and E-6 you know nothing boot. I was a 2nd class petty officer by
the age of 19....never got busted again like I did as a E-3. Wearing a
Crow didn't change me
as much as being responsible for other men did I'm thinking
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No, I think yours is going to explode first Chuck- - -Follow my
advice, stick a finger down your throat and try to get some of that
bile up boot. Meanwhile sing my favorite USMC song-------> "In the
Navy, in the Navy, I wish every Marine could have passed the test &
got in the Naive!" As you can see the USN had a lot of good Petty
Officers like me around at the time to provide direction ROF ROF ROF
0~;->
The Lodi kid and I are the only & posting on here that were in the
Military during the late 1950's.....I stayed on until 1970 and Mike
ain't talking. He may have had to deal with sailors like me if he was
in the FMF- - - He's probably laughing his old butt off and wondering
how some one as dumb as you got in the USMC, Nah you couldn't have
made it in the Navy Chuck, thats OK I probably wouldn't be smart
enough to make it in the modern Navy - - They would probably try to
send me down to the Marines because I'm tecno challenged Ummmm "lets
see, which one of these buttons makes the ship go and which one fires
the missles? Woops, theres a plackard.... 0~;)P
Wow Moms Apple pie and see the USA in your Chevrolet - - U.S. Policy
on getting involved in wars and putting their teen agers in harms way
is perfect, I suppose you believe in the tooth fairy also.......huh
Chuckles? HAW HAW HAW (;-)))
> >I owe no explanation to a bi-polar baby boomer who watched
> > to many John Wayne movies....I'm glad the USMC isn't as stupid &
> > inefficient as it appears. Must be
> > the Navy Influence from the olden days...Should have struck for FMF
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....I'm glad the 21st Century USMC isn't as stupid &
> inefficient as the one you were in appears. Must be
> the Navy Influence from the olden days...Should have struck for FMF
> duty boot. ;)P <<<<<<<<<
>
> Classic Jimmy, trying to spin off your lies
> Jealous of what? A fat old lying bastard, who can't determine the
> demarcation line between reality and fantasy? Yes that's you Jimmy.
> Has been all washed up waiting for the night train to the promised
> land to come along and take you aboard.
>
> By Navy influence, I guess that means you Snuff?
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No.....actually I was thinking of when the USMC was still part of the
USN (;-)))
You only feel that way because your ego's hurt - I understand, not
being able to get in the Navy must have been traumatic heh heh
> Jimmy, some people don't care too much for phonies and from
> where most of us sit, you are the phonies poster child.
I can see where a bunch of young USPA phonies would be up set if some
old guy was besting them. Suck it up cry baby
Put up some
> documentation to prove otherwise Jimmy. Oh No, I don't need to do
> that, I say I was and that's all that's necessary.
Seems to me you were just on here sniveling sometime this year because
someone had got to much information off your computer and got into
your money & credit Chuck, which you blamed on Peter. And wow, you
have never put your 214 or any valid documents up. A n d y o u e x
p e c t me to make mine public domain? ROFLMAO I liked it better when
you were pulling my record out of your ass back in 97.....remember?
I was informed by you that I was in fact a black CPO involved in Speck
war. Was no Speck war when I started out sonny, no SEALS - no nothing.
we just considered ourselves sailors and as far as being black? Nope
my Ma and Pa were white, southern & moderately prejudice----they would
have left a black baby out by the mail box but keep trying.....lets
see what feeble phoniest invention you can come up with next. (;-)))
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Think nothing of it, I enjoy giving you a headache ;->
> Lameo wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>Was no Speck war when I started out sonny, no SEALS - no nothing.
>
> we just considered ourselves sailors and as far as being black?
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> That must be the reason that at age 17, the captain of your ship, let
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1954 or there abouts was when the first Sailors either went to Vietnam
or died in Vietnam, can't remember which, nothing secret about
it....you are just uninformed because the USMC was 11 years behind the
USN getting boondocks on the ground....You think we took yawl
everywhere with us? No way boot.....The Navy was slipping around on
the Commandant......besides he needed all the Marines he had to guard
those Dumpsters at stateside installations! ROF ROF hack hack, choke,
sputter! (;-)))
This was after the big one and after the Korean action to....About the
time the French started having trouble in Indochina and Vietnam was
partitioned into North and South......9 or 10 years after the end of
WWII both the US Army and US Navy
had men in country in MAG' units.....Nobdy invited the Marines, they
were still licking their wounds from the Korean conflict....kind of on
light duty Guarding the dumpsters stateside with their rifles. ;->
I joined the Navy in the middle to late 50's.....You are the one that
pulled 1957 out of your ass because some guy got a SSN up around Big
Springs then joined the Navy along about then......First I was black,
now I suppose I'm a Mexican American huh J Edgar Dumb Ass?
> Did you find out about how many Navy Co Van's died as a result of
> hostile fire during the Vietnam conflict?
> Don't count the 2 who fell off of the dock and drown while
> intoxicated.
Yeah we had access to a lot of booze, no doubt.....Being Officers and
NCO's every CoVan had a liquor ration card.....I'm thinking it was 6
fifths, 3 cases of beer and one case of coke per man....The team LT
drank Scotch, the LTJG drank Bourbon.
Us men drank beer & coke....We pooled our ration and had quite a stock
out in the bunker except for a open bottle of Scotch and bourbon in
the team house....I also drank Vodka as a beer chaser because the LT
couldn't smell it on me...All he smelled was beer----See how I made
all my rank? I was a sharpie and able to handle the Officers Shit with
the local Madams giving us bottles of that Jap whiskey Son Tory and
case's of any kind of beer we wanted for favorers granted We could
have stayed drunk 24/7 but we in turn traded our horde to Army
Aviation pilots for taxi services....To the Army & Marine supply for
special items.....Shit we had two M60's and one of them was a E
model....The LT got sick because of the village food we ate so we had
cases of Lurp rations stocked for his delicate stomach----He lived on
them....1st class all the way Gomer----no C-rations for us although we
had cases of those also...I got the peach's & pound cake out of them
and we gave the rest to the nuns at a a orphanage
What are we up to 7 KIA's???
> Heck of a combat record, sounds like Co Vans read maps like Jimmy,
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Nah we just fought smart but their was a CoVan joke that went
something like this.
Every Officer needs a Sailor along to read the map & Compass for him
and guide him out of harms way, the LT didn't think that was
funny......he said we were going to be reduced in rank if the Navy
ever sent us to sea again because we were too familiar with our
Officers!
And if the clap could kill, that body count would be quite a bit
higher for sure heh heh heh.....Sing our song Chuck, you know what I
like to hear Marines sing....."In the Navy, in the Navy I wish I had
been in the Navieeeee, hit high c on the end of that last Navy like a
sailors standing behind you PFC 0~;)P
I've got Soma and Proxyvon but rarely take them.....The olden Navy
believed in using Brandy for medical purposes so I keep the custom and
drink Brandy till the pain subsides!. (;-)))
Funny thing about that, I never lost feeling in the paralyzed
side...Funny thing about taste and how it changes as you age.....On my
first cruise to Westpac we came off open bridge watch once in the sea
of Japan- -The water hitting us must have been just above
freezing...Man that was one miserable watch section....The Skipper
passed the word "Give the men going off watch "Medical Brandy!"
Corpsman comes up and hands out railroad shots....I crack the cap on
mine and take a little sip, just enough to get on my tongue don't you
know.....I go gag, rolf, this shit sucks and pour the remainder down a
scuttle butt. The salts standing around me started crying....."Why you
do that you stupid boot? You could have give it to us!" "It's
nasty.....nastiest shit I ever tasted!"
~Now some 50 odd years later it tastes like the nectar of gods
to me~
Let me add a aside to that Nasty Navy Brandy story....I drink nothing
but Brandy marked VSOP now....The Navy of that time was so frugal,
they may have been buying extra containers of grain alcohol because
thats what torpedo's were fueled with and simply putting caramel
coloring in it and passing it off as Brandy. The salts would mix
torpedo juice and tined grapefruit then drink that....Those old
sailors would drink anything.....They had raisin jack operation
aboard....The XO tore the ship apart looking for that still because
the Marine Officers complained-Sailors were selling rot gut to their
men for 15 cents a cap & 50 cents a canteen full.Some dumb ass Jar
head laid a half full canteen of raisin jack out with his gear for
field inspection....The inspecting officer picked it up, shook it and
commenced chewing ass about half full canteens- - while raving he
happened to take the cap off and smell the contents Whoaaaa you could
hear him screaming all the way up on the bow and they were inspecting
the Marines gear on the fantail.....Real brain surgeon material, those
stupid marines were heh heh We were howling with laughter till the
X.O. got crazy about private stills on a USN warship. ;)P