Re: Jimmy's gay background caused him to skydive Chapter 3
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> It's not Jimmy's fault that he was abused by Earl and Earl's friends.
> His quest for manhood took him down a path that would both enrich his
> life and render him a blithering self righteous faggot for the
> remainder of his time here on earth. It is true that his skydiving
> experiences, dressed in his combat boots with his pink cased hook
> knife, brought him to the panicle of his life's expectations. For the
> two Christmases that he skydived, his goal was to catch Santa's Sleigh
> in flight and force his sexual attentions on a Reindeer (who said he
> didn't believe in Christmas?). This was no forth coming and left
> Jimmy's life unfulfilled. The only satisfaction that Jimmy has had
> since his blotched "last skydiving experience," is to post here on the
> wreck and "screw the pooch." Here's to you Jimmy, may you prosper in
> the New Year and over the Holiday Season, take some hormone therapy,
> tell some new lies and get a life outside of the "wreck."
>
>
> HO HO HO
> Merry Christmas
I notice my guerrilla style has influenced your tactics and take it as
a complement because emulation is a higher form of flattery well done
and funny.
~but it also shows desperation. You forget I was trained
as a Co Van & still assaying individuals within sub cultures due to
habit?~
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > HO HO HO
> > > Merry Christmas
> >
> > I notice my guerrilla style has influenced your tactics and take it as
> > a complement because emulation is a higher form of flattery well done
> > and funny.
> > ~but it also shows desperation. You forget I was trained
> > as a Co Van & still assaying individuals within sub cultures due to
> > habit?~
>
>
> badges.
> Merry Christmas Gringo
Don't pop a hemorrhoid on me boot, drop and give me 75. Adviser's are
like teachers
except teachers work towards tenure. A good Co Vans primary goal is to
work himself out
of a job in the country he's assigned to. You're kind of hopeless
Chuck, all those emotions
and inability to endure a critique or grasp concept.....Nope this is
tenure----it's going to be
a life time job teaching you sonny. No wonder the USN never offered to
train Marines in the
finer art's of war, like counterinsurgery for instance, yawl lack
intelect and/or finesse.
Should have kept the programs though....it would help in Iraq right
about now. They could
be loaning Navy Co Vans to the Army and Marines as liaison to advise
them how to go about shit
without using a sledge hammer and playing right into the enemy's hands
by creating more recruits
out of the local population. You have to get out there and live with
the locals....Ya cant set in secure areas
and just patrol. Build rapport and they will begin turning in the
outsiders, assay the situation carefully
and make sure the right people have tragic accidents. Might be a little
harder with all that wild ass
Religious fanaticism and inbred dishonesty they have going on over
there...But men with patience and balls
they have to push around in wheel barrows can do it, the Army Special
Forces are working that angle
in Afghanistan and getting better results and seem to be taking fewer
loss's than the Conventional military
down in Iraq. Except when local commanders throw them at mountain
positions held by alquati and Taliban forces.
They should be using the 10th mountain Division and RANGERS for those
set piece battles. Seems many Col's
and Generals don't know how to use their resources properly. SF has a
history of intermingling with locals and getting
them to do the bulk of the fighting. Leave them to worm in, find out
who's bad and who's been good you know do the finesse work....
You want a sledge hammer, use other resources. "Who's bad and who's
been good?" Damn its Santa Clause
in that Green Beret HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I one funny ex sailor honey 0~;-*
Big Jim
>>I one funny ex sailor honey >
The dingleberry finally speaks the truth. You certainly are "funny", Snuff.
the unknown flailer
Big Jim wrote:
> >>I one funny ex sailor honey >
>
> The dingleberry finally speaks the truth. You certainly are "funny", Snuff.
oh shit, the South Beach gayboy skydiving community rep. is getting
involved. ;)P
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > > HO HO HO
> > > > > Merry Christmas
> > > >
> > > > I notice my guerrilla style has influenced your tactics and take it as
> > > > a complement because emulation is a higher form of flattery well done
> > > > and funny.
> > > > ~but it also shows desperation. You forget I was trained
> > > > as a Co Van & still assaying individuals within sub cultures due to
> > > > habit?~
> > >
> > >
> > > Well keep that habit on you nun bitch! Badges, we don't need no stinkn'
> > > badges.
> > > Merry Christmas Gringo
> >
no you are already pretty good at that, I can teach you focus, gurrila
tactics and how
not to feel sorry for yourself over a long lost war. Should have stood
the Marines down let the damn Navy & Army run things up in I corps. All
those Marine Generals did was buck the hearts and minds along with the
Advisory effort. I was setting in the front seat of a stolen USMC jeep
providing security to our Senior Naval Advisor in I Corps and a Marine
B.G. just off the flight line on the DaNang Airbase between dark
hangers They were supposed to be ironing out the last details of a
agreement and coordination on a joint Hammer & Anvil operation by U.S.
Marines and the Vietmanese Navy. This Brigadeer General screams:
"IF THEIR DEAD WE KNOW THEIR PACIFIED DAMMIT!"
The skipper went "Ut what?"
.THE ONLY SURE PACIFICATION PROGRAM IS KILLING THEM ALL!
Me and this other petty officer in front got the giggles. The Jarhead
sez,
"Do these enlisted men have to be here?"
"Their my security and both are on the field teams advising the VNN
blocking force, their Officers couldn't come in.
SECURITY? I DON'T HAVE SECURITY!
"Yes but you flew in, we have to drive back across town to the VNN HQ."
We were fighting it hard but once you get tickled over something its
hard to stop sniggering.
I don't give a damn how much brass is in the back seat.
So the skipper finally sez, "Allright men , out of the jeep!" Man it
was pouring down-Monsoon rain.
AYE AYE SIR! choke giggle, snicker,
The Jarhead said for our benifet as we were getting out "DAMNED
UNPROFESSIONAL FOR NCO's, IF YOU ASK ME!"
The Old Man said,
"Go stand in the entrance of that Hanger, I'll flash the lights when
I'm ready to go and fill you in later, you will take the Team Officers
a written brief"
"Yes Sir."
So we get out and go over there, then really let the laughter rip out.
"Think they can hear us?" We are probably in enough trouble
already....laughing at a Marine General.
"Nah, old guys like that can't hear well, besides the rain drumming on
the hangers is making to much noise!, besides General or not, he's just
another Jarhead"
You are like that Jarhead General Chuck.......Total lack of cool.
~I can help you with that~ 0~;-)
>
> Emotion flows thru me, I'm a conduit, not a collector, and as devious
> as the day is long. I didn't learn any of that from you Jimmy.
>
> Merry Christmas
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > > > > HO HO HO
> > > > > > > Merry Christmas
> > > > > >
> > > > > badges.
> > > > > Merry Christmas Gringo
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What could you possibly teach me Snuff? How to lie,
No you are a pretty good liar already, or at least good at false
wittiness statements AND
You are like that Jar head General Chuck.......Total lack of cool.
~I can help you with that~ 0~;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Emotion flows thru me, I'm a conduit, not a collector, and as devious
> > > as the day is long. I didn't learn any of that from you Jimmy.
> > >
> > > Merry Christmas
>
Jimmy, the crap that you write about, like Viet Nam is so far behind
me, I can't fathom why you hang on to it. Get real.
>
> Merry Christmas
Because it works your jaws Jungle Jim. I'm using a old country
remedy...Burn a fever out. You got a John Wayne complex and Tet fever
or something boot, I'm going to keep the fire lit and sweat the
sickness out of your young ass, then when youre healed maybe ya can be
cool as any river Co Van, you know;
"Damn were low on .50 cal Ammunition, the ice melted and the heat ruint
the steaks".....Aw hell don't start sweating it till we run low on
beer." hahaha 0~;)P
the unknown flailer
> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > > HO HO HO
> > > > > Merry Christmas
> > Don't pop a hemorrhoid on me boot, drop and give me 75. No wonder the USN never offered to
> > train Marines in the
> > finer art's of war, like counterinsurgery for instance, yawl lack
> > intellect and/or finesse.
> > Should have kept the programs though....it would help in Iraq right
> > about now. They could
> > be loaning Navy Co Vans to the Army and Marines as liaison to advise
> > them how to go about shit
> > without using a sledge hammer and playing right into the enemy's hands
> > by creating more recruits
> > out of the local population. You have to get out there and live with
> > the locals....Ya cant set in secure areas
> > and just patrol. Build rapport and they will begin turning in the
> > in that Green Beret HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I one funny ex sailor honey 0~;-*
>
>
>
>
> What could you possibly teach me Snuff? How to lie, steal the accolades
> of those who earned them? Sorry, but you don't know shit. You fall on
> your face every time you try to explain field craft. You simply don't
> know how to, so what can you teach. "We popped smoke so the Forward Air
> Controller could follow us in the jungle."
We popped colored smoke at his request to mark our position for the
attack aircraft coming in,
Hell it was a dry rice paddy we got trapped in anyway meanwhile he was
firing willy peter rockets at the P-NVA unit moving towards us thru the
tree's to mark their forward positions, they were gathering as they
came along cuz he marked more than one position. They had moved off
before daylight towards the north and our sachel charges blowin their
bunkers caught their attention so they started back towards us. I saw
the packs neatly lined up in rows when we first got to the bunker
complex and told the LT. I thought they were still close by. He said
nah, we can blow this shit and be gone before they can turn back. Then
about the time the 4th charge went off FAC was on the radio hollering
get out get out. So about the time we got in the middle of that dry
rice paddy we heard the first 82mm cough. They were firing blind, H&I
trying to slow our extract down so they could catch us & it worked cuz
we jumped in those bomb craters and set up our field of fire towards
the tree line. Your brain has a short, its called sailors can't fight
on the ground like marines. And we didn't, we just sat back and watched
Air assets do them dirty. You have set expectations Chuck and they
twist your feeble mind, looks like to me someone may have poured
concrete in there hahaha
>.You can't read a
> map, you said that you were Airborne Qualified.............you'renot............What can you possibly hope to teach?
I would never say Airborne Qualified, the term wasn't used by the Navy
of the day...USN designation was Jump Qualified,....My understanding of
the time was that one is not Airborne Qualified unless they go Airborne
in the Army, This Airborne Qualified shit, that something you John
Wayne wannabe Boots say to
make jumping sound more romantic or important Chuck? Or did you Jar
heads actually join up and jump in with the Army Airborne?
I get it, you can teach us what not to be like........good one.
I think you may be unteachable, you got the old superman complex
chump....but that's not the reason...Information that don't agree with
your pre set desires blows your mind apart.
And I damn sure could read a map & compass...A Marine Ssgt, made a big
deal out of teaching us in Virginia. Waterway charts were more
important though.
Never getting much over 500 yards from the river except that once all
we used the land maps for were for like.....OK I'll meet you here for
the pick up...or we would cut sign and say....Hey we are here and they
appear to be moving east to here, FAC couldn't see tracks or read sign
no matter how low he got. FAC just took care of all the Air & fire
support for us....boy could he read a map. Flying that push pull Cessna
through the tree gaps with one hand and reading the map with his other,
yet he always marked the target with willy peter for air...artillery?
None of us trusted it, he say he saw something suspicious and was going
to call a fire mission we would say.........HEY WAIT TILL WE GET BACK
TO THE RIVER AND ON THE DAMN BOATS, We were to far out for mortar
support so they fired 105's I doubt they would hit the river by
mistake. But even with marking rounds, the Marines and ARVN's both made
me nervous, shit if a round went astray, came in to close and ended up
being a tree burst you wuz fucked. Nope none of us were keen on calling
in Artillery....I think that's why FAC was always wanting to use
Artillery---->Lets see if I can make these sailors pucker up, plus he
liked to hold the air strikes in reserve for this is a no shit hot
target situation because they would have to go back and rearm the
planes and that was a bigger deal, took more time. The guy did this
shit for a living you know and he was pretty smart. Why waste a air
strike on suspicions when you got booger picking marines or ARVN's for
that matter sitting around their field pieces on their ass in the rear?
Nope Marines needed maps cuz they were lost all the time. We operated
in the same A.O. daily, week in week out, knew it like the back of our
hands, knew who the wood cutters & anybody else who had business being
out there besides us were....no way we could get lost....not when we
knew where the river was...Not many villages on the lower river. Ours
and if I recall their were two more between us and Hoi Ann and they
were on the south side of the river....ours was the only one on north
side, close to the river that is. You are a Fucking Idiot Chuck, but I
love ya anyway. How you lived thru 13 months is beyond me, hating
Vietnamese like you do... The locals helped us at the risk of their own
life, often pointing out booby trapped area's slyly 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> Merry Christmas
so I thought I would change the thread header to be more in the line
with what I'm working with you on Mr. has major got hemroid
problems....besides Biggy Jim looks like wanting to get involved in
that gay thread head, you know how South Beach types are, shit they
could be Marines....I think a lotta Closet queers must join the Marines
in a act of desperate over compensation trying to appear manly What you
think Chuck? heh heh
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > > > > HO HO HO
> > > > > > > Merry Christmas
> >
> >
> > > > Don't pop a hemorrhoid on me boot, drop and give me 75. No wonder the USN never offered to
> > > > train Marines in the finer art's of war, like counterinsurgery for instance, yawl lack
> > > > intellect and/or finesse.
> Snuff, I listen to your "force multiplier Co Van" rap and break out
> laughing.. A "force multiplier" has to be a professional Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman.
> Merry Christmas
I think you and that Marine Brigadier General might have thought the
same way, he said me and the other Petty Officer
were unprofessional for NCO's when we broke out laughing at his idea of
pacification programs should work.
"KILL THEM ALL, THAT IS THE ONLY SURE WAY TO PACIFY THEM!" Perhaps Jar
heads had/have a tendency to think I was a lifer because of the heavy
crow I carried? Besides we thought he was joking. ~but he wasn't~
And btw this being in the Marine Corps thing and calling yourself
AIRBORNE, just don't cut it with me sweety. I think we have more then a
generation gap going on here, perhaps a culture clash also?. ;-*
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > > > > HO HO HO
> > > > > > > Merry Christmas
> >
> >
> > > > about now. They could
> > > > them how to go about shit
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What could you possibly teach me Snuff? How to lie, steal
We called stealing Comshawing and man we stold the Marines
blind. Lieing? Sea stories are not lies
their considered entertainment, if nothing else for the
reaction they get.
>>>? Sorry, but you don't know shit. You fall on
> > > your face every time you try to explain field craft. You simply don't
> > > know how to, so what can you teach.
Every thing taught to us by the USMC & USA had to be modified to fit
our style, well not the Army stuff so much
They developed the Co Van concept
"We popped smoke so the Forward Air
> > > Controller could follow us in the jungle."
We popped smoke when he called for it, although he was good he couldn't
always see us under the tree's
AND
> > We popped colored smoke at his request to mark our position for the
> > attack aircraft coming in, Hell it was a dry rice paddy the P-NVA knew where we were, Aircraft arriving on the scene didn't know our exact location though......looks like to me someone may have poured concrete in your head
Marine hahaha
> > >.You can't read a
> > > map, you said that you were Airborne Qualified
> > I would never say Airborne Qualified, the term wasn't used by the Navy
> > of the day...USN designation was Jump Qualified,....My understanding of
> > the time was that one is not Airborne Qualified unless they go Airborne
> > in the Army, This Airborne Qualified shit, that something you John
> > Wayne wannabe Boots say to
> > make jumping sound more romantic or important Chuck? Or did you Jar
> > heads actually join up and jump in with the Army Airborne?
> >
> > I get it, you can teach us what not to be like........good one.
I teach cool, not my fault if you can't get a grip
> It's best that you don't say! Go back, read your previous statements.
> You said that you would pop smoke for an over head FAC, so he could
> guide you to the river..............see..........you change your
> statements to suit the current situation............
Nope, won't wash Chuck.....you read then twist the words to match
expectations. We popped smoke coming out
AND I MEAN BOOCOO SMOKE.....It served a dual purpose, put a screen
between us and any enemy, alerted the boats to where we were egressing
the river bank. Man you talk about a lot of smoke. The boats would see
our smoke and fire smoke rounds in behind us to cover the retrieve.
Just cuz you made it to the river bank don't mean it was over, you
often had to jump in the water and wade out up to the neck or waist so
the pickup boats Generally 55 ft war junks and the occasional SWIFT in
support wouldn't run aground. Then they had to haul you over the side
equipment and all. We weren't marines having ramps dropped down on a
nice sandy beach you know. We were on a river and more often than not
the boats couldn't lay against the bank because of shoaling. It wasn't
pretty but it worked.
> Merry Christmas
are you going to have one? You seem to be a grinch. ;-*
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > > > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > HO HO HO
> > > > > > > > > Merry Christmas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Don't pop a hemorrhoid on me boot,
> Hey there Plato, you're the one saying that you're something.
> Merry One Jimmy
Sinloy, my sea stories step all over your ego Chuck. Same thing happens
to Jerry when I say something about the USPA. Its not like I'm not
straining to be diplomatic. I think yawl just have unresoved issues. ;)
the unknown flailer
> > > Merry Christmas
> >
> >
> > so I thought I would change the thread header to be more in the line
> > problems....besides Biggy Jim looks like wanting to get involved in
> > that gay thread head, you know how South Beach types are, shit they
> > could be Marines....I think a lotta Closet queers must join the Marines
> > in a act of desperate over compensation trying to appear manly What you
> > think Chuck? heh heh
>
>
>
> you were more of a overt queer.
Nope, you have me mixed up with Jerry girl I'm afraid
> Hey, you ever get that sphincter repaired or do you still blow feces
> out when you giggle?
My medication makes it hard to shit I have to strain so I tell the
Doctor.
He goes.....don't worry, you are that age anyway, the time to worry is
when a BM occurs and you are not on the pot.
Sorry, That was just plain ugly of me
No ugly like beauty is in the eyes of the beholder Chuck
> Merry Christmas
the unknown flailer
>
>
> Your garbage is just not worthy of reading Jimmy. Same stuff, day in,
> day out. Perhaps you could frequent those same sex establishments you
> like to hang out in and get some new material...........just a thought.
> DARE TO BE CO VAN.
~better than being a marine you dummy~
> Merry Christmas
A person might wonder why you are addicted to them then,
#1 I think maybe because you have none of your own.
#2 Did not score high enough on the ASAT test to become a sailor so now
you are forced to live vicariously thru my sea stories.
last but not least/Like that Jar head General the Navy's humor
really piss's you off
the unknown flailer
> > > > > > > > > > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Don't pop a hemorrhoid on me boot,
> > > >
> > > > > Hey there Plato, you're the one saying that you're something.
> > > > > Merry One Jimmy
> > > >
> > > > Sinloy, my sea stories step all over your ego Chuck.
> > > Your garbage is just not worthy of reading Jimmy. Same stuff, day in,
> > > day out.
> > > Merry Christmas
> >
> > A person might wonder why you are addicted to them then,
> >
> > #1 I think maybe because you have none of your own.
> >
> > #2 Did not score high enough on the ASAT test to become a sailor so now
> > you are forced to live vicariously thru my sea stories.
> >
> >
>
> >>>>>last but not least/Like that Jar head General the Navy's humor
> > really piss's you off
>
> So your humor represents that of the US Navy's humor.
Well maybe with a little Co Van twist in it, the General didn't like
the Co Vans and this new style of fighting, called
counterinsurgery......You seem to agree
> I know everyone else is a
> boot and their opinions don't count. Bullshit in, Bullshit out.
Not every one, I run into a Korean police action or WWII vet once in a
while,
then I'm the boot. The WWII guys are dieing like flies from old age,
most seem to be
around 88. Matter of fact, I got on you for spouting off about being
Airborne Qualified
because of a sea story one told me, seems he was Glider Borne and just
before
they left for England. Some General, Mark Clark I think sent down
orders for the
Glider troops to ditch their badges and patches.......Sew on Army
Airborne stuff.
So he diddy bops down to the BX to buy the patch's, was standing there
with
them in his hand when two paratroopers walked in and saw what he had.
YOU AIN'T AIRBORNE, WE ARE GOING TO WHIP YOUR ASS.
So he sez, hell yes I'm Airborne.....Mark Clark ordered us to be
designated Airborne
So our Sgt had us to jump off our foot lockers 5 times. AND THE FIGHT
WAS ON!
~Got to love them smart alec old codgers~
oh I forgot, you lack humor
Not to mention a retired CSM from the RTB who got tabbed in the early
50's. He filled me in a lot of
RANGER & AIRBORNE history, we had both been in country Co Vans in 1969
so he took a shine to
my humor. Theirs a lot you don't know Chuck and I don't mean from their
time------the beginning------ But from
between their time and your time your time, a time called-------->MY
TIME.
The USN & USMC ran a few of their own jump schools, since the need for
jump qualified sailors and
Marines was small, the schools were small, usually at Air Stations like
Cubi Point. The Army with
greater needs had Fort Campbell where most of the 82nd Airborne went
and Benning plus the 508, 509
& 510th ran in house jump schools over in Europe where they were
quartered. As the Army consolidated
they shut F.C. & the parachute regiment schools down and started
sending everybody to Benning. The USN &
USMC must have to eventually cuz I was at the Airborne 2000 & best
Ranger sitting in the stands when I spied
a 311 lid in the RANGER ranks and later at Fry field saw some Gomers
ready to be pinned. So I tells bob....Them
ain't dog faces, he says no, probably Marines and Sailors, they all
dress alike in school we let anybody in here now.
But going back to my time the USN & USA disdained each others
schools, hell they couldn't even talk to each other on radio's. I
remember once in the early 60's we were on a coastal survey and the
Army had to lend us
a radio so we could communicate with them. And the Marines? Hell they
were like step children....broke
off from the Navy and were without means of visible support there for a
while. We still carried them around but when
I went in they still had to climb down Cargo Nets to get in landing
craft, I'm a salt you are a boot, quit trying to
treat the sting of being a boot by using broad terms like "every one
else is a boot to you" CRYBABY.
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> Some General, Mark Clark I think sent down
>orders for the Glider troops to ditch their badges and patches.......Sew on Army
>Airborne stuff.
You think wrong. Taylor had the 101st and Ridgeway had the 82nd, if I
remember right - or maybe one had the other? Of course, it is
entirely possible, Jinnie - in fact I expect you to suggest that Lt.
General Clark while commanding the 5th Army in Italy actually did send
"down orders for the Glider troops to ditch their badges and
patches.......Sew on Army Airborne stuff," just prior to their
invasion of northern France.
Thank you contestant - we have some lovely gifts for you to take home.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:> > > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > Snuff, you think a lot but, history differs from your thoughts. Mark
> > Clark commanded the Italian Campaigns.
~and after that?~
Theirs a lot you don't know Chuck and I don't mean from their
> > > time------the beginning------ But from between their time and your time your time, a
> > > time called-------->MY TIME.
> >
> > Your time? You weren't in RVN when I was there, you got there a 2 years
> > after I was,
My first tour in Vietnam was 1961, last in country 1969 so that puts
you at least 7 years behind boot. Shit I have more time in Navy chow
lines in training camps than you had in the USMC B O O T. And btw all
of these multiple replies to individual posts by me? You are gaining on
JerryK....two aspirin up the poop shoot and report to sick call for
psych eval along with that young fag. ;)
the unknown flailer
sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2006 18:11:50 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
> > Some General, Mark Clark I think sent down
> >orders for the Glider troops to ditch their badges and patches.......Sew on Army
> >Airborne stuff.
>
> You think wrong. Taylor had the 101st and Ridgeway had the 82nd, if I
> remember right - or maybe one had the other? Of course, it is
> entirely possible, Jinnie - in fact I expect you to suggest that Lt.
> General Clark while commanding the 5th Army in Italy actually did send
> "down orders for the Glider troops to ditch their badges and
> patches.......Sew on Army Airborne stuff," just prior to their
> invasion of northern France.
>
I see you read the same books chuckles does, not that the information
in them is bad
its just time frames, yawl take everything out of context. Like Italy's
the only thing Mark Clark was involved in. Thought I gave you a chit to
see a head shrink boy. Stop by and
pick Chuck up on the way....He's having a meltdown also. I put
something up and he's replied to it three times already. DAMN TALK
ABOUT A FORCE MULTIPLIER
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > with
> > > them in his hand when two paratroopers walked in and saw what he had.
> > > YOU AIN'T AIRBORNE, WE ARE GOING TO WHIP YOUR ASS.
> > > So he sez, hell yes I'm Airborne.....Mark Clark ordered us to be
> > > designated Airborne
> > > So our Sgt had us to jump off our foot lockers 5 times. AND THE FIGHT
> > > WAS ON!
> > > ~Got to love them smart alec old codgers~
> > > oh I forgot, you lack humor
> > >
> > > Not to mention a retired CSM from the RTB who got tabbed in the early
> > > 50's. He filled me in a lot of
> > > RANGER & AIRBORNE history, we had both been in country Co Vans in 1969
> > > so he took a shine to
> > > they shut F.C. & the parachute regiment schools down and started
> > > sending everybody to Benning. The USN &
> > > USMC must have to eventually cuz I was at the Airborne 2000 & best
> > > Ranger sitting in the stands when I spied
> > > a 311 lid in the RANGER ranks and later at Fry field saw some Gomers
> > > ready to be pinned. So I tells bob....Them
> > > ain't dog faces, he says no, probably Marines and Sailors, they all
> > > dress alike in school we let anybody in here now.
> > > But going back to my time the USN & USA disdained each others
> > > schools, hell they couldn't even talk to each other on radio's. I
> > > remember once in the early 60's we were on a coastal survey and the
> > > Army had to lend us
> > > a radio so we could communicate with them. And the Marines? Hell they
> > > were like step children....broke
> > > off from the Navy and were without means of visible support there for a
> > > while. We still carried them around but when
> > > I went in they still had to climb down Cargo Nets to get in landing
> > > craft, I'm a salt you are a boot, quit trying to
> > > treat the sting of being a boot by using broad terms like "every one
> > > else is a boot to you" CRYBABY.
> >
> >
> > > before
> > > they left for England. Some General, Mark Clark I think sent down
> > > orders for the
> > > Glider troops to ditch their badges and patches.......Sew on Army
> > > Airborne stuff.
> >
> > Italy and the 509 Independent Parachute Bn. After the 509 jump, Clark
> > retained the Gingerbread Men as his palace guards. The 509 ran a jump
> > school in Germany after the war.
> > Glider Borne Infantry Regiments were designated as "Airborne Units,"
> > they didn't get any additional pay or badges until late war.
> >
> > Theirs a lot you don't know Chuck and I don't mean from their
> > > time------the beginning------ But from
> > > between their time and your time your time, a time called-------->MY
> > > TIME.
> >
> >
> > The USN & USMC ran a few of their own jump schools, since the need for
> > > jump qualified sailors and
> > > Marines was small, the schools were small, usually at Air Stations like
> > > Cubi Point.
> >
> >
> > Lakehurst, NJ.
Not in my time, I missed WWII and the Navy never had Airborne schools,
just jump schools
Cubi Point and Point Barber are the only two I remember, they may have
started one up at China Lake later.
.> >not that they would know anything
> > about *your time*.
No their probably a boot like you
> > Thanks for another one of your know nothing history lessons, *my time*,
> > another classic from Jimmy.
Just doing my duty, no need for thanks boot, carry on.
> > BTW, A kick ass Paratroop Unit is the 187th RTC, they made the combat
> > jumps in Korea during that conflict (2 of them) and they live again as
> > part of the 101st at Ft. Campbell.
Fort Campell had a jump course matching or exceeding Bennings in the
middle to late 1950's. but they lacked the same caliber School of
Infantry and of course no RANGER training. That was down in Columbus.
Most of the mutts going thru Campbell along about 1958 drew orders to
the 82nd Airborne Division
I missed the Korean conflict also but was on Okinawa as early as 1957.
> > Merry Christmas boomer baby
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
Shit, Clark was in Africa, too Jinnie, later Sicily, Italy, but
talking time frames, say - how 'bout the first half of 1944 - like up
to June 7th or thereabouts. Now, I wasn't there and neither were you
but the of the stuff I've read and the veterans I've talked to - not a
single reference nor a single mention of Clark being involved with the
invasion of France, the 82nd in France or the 101st in France - which
is not surprising given he was commanding 5th army in Italy at the
time. And then there's that little thing about Clark and his 5th army
taking Rome like one or two days before the invasion in France kicked
off. But then, what the hell do all these official histories and
recollections from vets who were there matter, eh? You say it's so
and there just can't be any legitimate proof to the contrary. That
how it go?
But, uh - real nice try, Jinnie - you say Clark handed some orders
down concerning some airborne soldiers going into France and when you
get busted for getting it wrong - I.E., it couldn't have been Clark,
he was in Rome, well - we're just taking it out of context.
You really should do your homework before opening your big, dumb trap,
ya know?
Stepped in it, Jinnie. Stepped in it again.
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>> cgilb39...@aol.com wrote:
>> > the unknown flailer wrote:
>> > > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>> > Snuff, you think a lot but, history differs from your thoughts. Mark
>> > Clark commanded the Italian Campaigns.
>
>
>~and after that?~
He continued on in Italy and up into Austria, except for that little
jaunte back to England right after he took Rome on the 4th of June,
1944, so he could tell some airborne soldiers to do some stuff before
they went into France, and then back to Italy, continuing on up the
Peninsula. Oh, wait - nevermind - he didn't do that stuff about
England and the airborne troops. That was a mistake. My bad.
>
>
>
>
>Theirs a lot you don't know Chuck and I don't mean from their
>> > > time------the beginning------ But from between their time and your time your time, a
>> > > time called-------->MY TIME.
>> >
>> > Your time? You weren't in RVN when I was there, you got there a 2 years
>> > after I was,
>
>My first tour in Vietnam was 1961, last in country 1969 so that puts
>you at least 7 years behind boot. Shit I have more time in Navy chow
>lines in training camps than you had in the USMC B O O T. And btw all
>of these multiple replies to individual posts by me? You are gaining on
>JerryK....two aspirin up the poop shoot and report to sick call for
>psych eval along with that young fag.
Sorry, Jinnie - you might try to marginalize reality and the people
who present it by suggesting that anyone who points out to you you're
wrong when you're wrong by suggesting sickness or some sort of psych
issue but the truth of the matter is, the reality, you did some
cutn'paste and got busted for it and you suggested Mark Clark told
some airborne soldiers some shit before they glided into France.
There's clear proof you altered what I wrote so you could respond to
that as opposed to what was really written, which apparently you had
no answer for and there's a mountain of proof Mark Clark was in Italy
before and during the Allied invasion of France. You can gargle the
bullshit all you want - it doesn't change the realities, nor does it
make it go away. You stepped in it again.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts, And I looked and
> behold: a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Death. And
> Hell followed with him.
~Now who's crazy?~
the unknown flailer
>
> You were not assigned to a unit in Viet Nam in 1961 shit bird.
> Merry one.
six month deployment......BSU and whats this Jerrys saying about
packing your fudge?
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
Actually, that's just you saying that, Jinnie. Given all the gay shit
you've been referencing lately, is this just a Navy thing or maybe
because you're from California? Maybe it's just a cry for help. That
it?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
California? You said Oklahoma last week, make up your mind. Your as bad
as Chuck with wild guesses. See what happens when you try to make
something fit your beliefs? Speaking of which Chucks quoting the New
Testament now. Did yawl read it before sleeping together, whats it say
in there about faggots? Or did Chuckles who now appears to be a chicken
hawk just read the last what do you call it? Last ummmm shit as a
philosopher I should know this having to study the major religions of
the world ummmmmmmmmmmm book? Yeah book, the last book, the one
written by John on Patmos while having visions.
I think Chuck has visions also. Ummmm lets see if memory serves me
right books speaking to that same sex stuff you and he have going on
when you travel east for those skygod conventions are in earlier books
of the New Testament. Beware of heathen that quote religious
books....Look whats happening in the middle east. All of the suicide
bombers think their going to paradise and I'm willing to lay odds their
not. Shit the heathen that I am.....bet I know more about the Koran
than they do. What they have going on over there is doctrinal or maybe
sects differences is a better word and following what men say rather
than the holy book Mohamed left behind. Same stuff goes on here in the
U.S. with our religious nuts. Chuck probably uses the bible because he
heard it was translated from Greek. And we all know what the Greek's
were known for besides Alexander the Great and a few other things. BTW
Alexander's father was said to have been killed by a male lover. Keep
an eye on Chuck. Quoting Revelations, having visions, heavy drinking,
mind altering drugs, schizophrenia. homosexuality. Stay in Texas boy,
we might have a John Wayne Gacey on our hands here. Is he involved in
the construction trades, does he have a clown suit? YEAH STAY IN TEXAS!
Work Montrose Yoweeeeee ;)
sky...@pdq.net
>Ask Johnny Cash, they're his lyrics. I thought that perhaps you might
>adopt it for your sig, since your a fatal kind of guy.
>
>Merry Xmas
If anyone knows some George Michael songs, Jinnie'll sing along.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> security number was issued) how do you know what was happening in the
> mid fifties?
> Simple fact. Virtually all of your military information comes from
> reading books after your stroke.
> Love & Kisses
> Merry Christmas
Read it again I said on Okinawa as early as 1957. Was Okinawa issuing
American Citizens SS numbers? Lets see I should have been about 20 in
1957. How did I get in the Navy and to Okinawa without a Social
Security card? See what happens when you try to make facts fit desires
Chuck? Civil & Military intelligence tries to do it all the time.
Hell Bush tried to twist facts to fit his desire to invade
Iraq......see where that got him? Don't misunderstand I agree with Bush
on the subject of fighting over there rather than here. Say damn had to
go, WMD or not it was just a matter of time....Besides them Taliban had
to no shit get out of town, why not kill two birds with one stone?
Haven't been any foreign terrorists incidents in the U.S. since we went
over there and kicked a few despots out and shit all over their
training camps? Hell no they are all over there trying to throw us out.
Take the fight to the enemy. Yeah he did the right thing, just went
about it the wrong way. The big problems were, his executive staff
didn't tell the military what they wanted then let the military run it
like FDR did in WWII. Military nor civil authorities were ready for the
aftermath because of the rush based on bad intelligence and micro
managing going on. The troops were not told to restore and maintain
civil order after the collapse of Bagdad. So the criminals in the area
ran wild looting, robbing and raping while our guys stood around at
checkpoints with orders not to get involved in civil matters Now even
the few good people they had left after years of dictatorship are
pissed at us. Shit are you going to side with somebody that can't or
won't protect you? Hell no, they voted a Govt in with a weak President
who can't or won't use the power of his office to protect them by being
harsh and making hard decisions so the beat goes on. Well we finally
changed policy to some extent but playing catch up is hell specially
after so many mistakes like not picking up their disbanded & deserting
Army & containing them right away, people still don't trust us. Never
will because their religious and ethnic hates run deep and are really
volatile. Its not just us or the occupation they hate....its each
other. I ain't into diplomacy myself as you can probably tell from
butting heads with me. Bush is going to have to learn to deal with it
though. It was his watch.....the buck stops with him. I'd use diplomacy
with an iron hand, put a velvet glove on before you knock the shit out
of someone and that includes Iran....He should have listened to Colin
Powell.....he was a Army Co Van in his younger day and I've explained
to you many times how smart Co Vans were heh heh ;)P
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 20 Dec 2006 19:05:09 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> the unknown flailer wrote:
>> >> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> > > cgilb39...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You were not assigned to a unit in Viet Nam in 1961 shit bird.
>> >> Merry one.
>> >
>> >six month deployment......BSU and whats this Jerrys saying about
>> >packing your fudge?
>>
>>
>> Actually, that's just you saying that, Jinnie. Given all the gay shit
>> you've been referencing lately, is this just a Navy thing or maybe
>> because you're from California? Maybe it's just a cry for help. That
>> it?
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>
>California? You said Oklahoma last week, make up your mind.
Oklahoma, California, it ain't Texas.
>Your as bad
>as Chuck with wild guesses.
It's a fair question, Jinnie - how come you're not answering it? Hell,
given the navy stuff, the california background, and your remarkable
predisposition for throwing gay references around, who could tell
where it all comes from - that's why it might be all of those things
or none or maybe just a cry for help - if you paid attention you'd see
I'm asking you what the deal is. Is this one of those "AH HA" things?
I mean, I intimate your gay and you respond to it so you must be gay,
right?
>See what happens when you try to make
>something fit your beliefs?
Well, I see what happens when ~you~ do it. Kinda looks like the
monkey dance.
>Speaking of which Chucks quoting the New
>Testament now.
Naw, sounded like Johnny Cash to me. What you want? A little George
Michael? Maybe some Elton John?
>Did yawl read it before sleeping together, whats it say
>in there about faggots?
Wooo, even better. Work that gay angle some more, Jinnie! Out of
that damn closet - maybe you'll catch some zen when you admit to
yourself all this calling people gay is just projecting your own wish
to announce it about yourself to the world. Ummm - See what happens
when you try to make something fit your beliefs?
>Or did Chuckles who now appears to be a chicken
>hawk just read the last what do you call it? Last ummmm shit as a
>philosopher I should know this having to study the major religions of
>the world ummmmmmmmmmmm book? Yeah book, the last book, the one
>written by John on Patmos while having visions.
Well, if you start quoting it here we'll call it Regurgitations but
Chuck was quoting Johnny Cash, RIP.
>I think Chuck has visions also. Ummmm lets see if memory serves me
>right books speaking to that same sex stuff you and he have going on
>when you travel east for those skygod conventions are in earlier books
>of the New Testament.
John ain't got nothing on you when it comes to hallucinations, Jinnie.
Besides, his book is clearly and hugely allegorical but nevermind that
sideshow - let's mine this idea of a "skygod convention," eh? Seems
they're in the East, okay? So, is it some sort of gathering of
"skygods," which has already been established as simply skydivers
younger than you but with wayyyyy more experience than you who took
the time to call you a bonehead and an idiot when you were screwing
up. Right, so there's this group of people who were looking out for
you at some convention in the east. Could this be Florida? You know
- that place where maybe skydivers you knew went because they got
invited on some bigway out there or something and you weren't invited
on 'em and they later came back talking about it - telling their own
stories - and you felt so left out because you didn't have any bigway
stories to tell. But then, a "skygod" convention could really be
just a gathering of any number of skydivers where you're not included.
>Beware of heathen that quote religious
>books....
Beware of Dingleberry who gets it wrong, all too often. It's okay to
quote Johnny Cash in my book.
>Look whats happening in the middle east. All of the suicide
>bombers think their going to paradise and I'm willing to lay odds their
>not.
Yeah, but wht does tht have to do with Chuck quoting Johnny Cash and
you flipping out?
>Shit the heathen that I am.....bet I know more about the Koran
>than they do.
So what? You eat with the same hand you wipe with?
>What they have going on over there is doctrinal or maybe
>sects differences is a better word and following what men say rather
>than the holy book Mohamed left behind. Same stuff goes on here in the
>U.S. with our religious nuts. Chuck probably uses the bible because he
>heard it was translated from Greek.
Naw, maybe he heard it on the radio.
>And we all know what the Greek's
>were known for besides Alexander the Great and a few other things.
Ummm, the Olympics? The Republic? Maybe some sort of foundation for
Western Civilization? What are you thinking of, Jinnie?
>BTW
>Alexander's father was said to have been killed by a male lover.
Even better - Jinnie's branching out into a History of Gay program.
Dance monkey!
>Keep
>an eye on Chuck.
Shit, Jinnie (woops - being redundant - sorry), the way you got it all
figured out, I'll just leave it to you to "keep an eye" on things.
>Quoting Revelations,
What you got against Johnny Cash?
>having visions,
Hell, I don't care if what he talks about Viet Nam are visions - they
seem pretty plausible and a lot more enjoyable and interesting to read
than your Jinnie come lately stories.
>heavy drinking,
You sound as if this is a bad thing, Jinnie. We are all, after all,
except for you, of course, skydivers.
>mind altering drugs,
Let's take a poll - who here is on some sort of prescription. Not me.
>schizophrenia.
And who here has had to go to court to convince a judge whether he's
crazy or not? Not me.
>homosexuality.
And who here when he talks himself into a corner and can't handle the
questions being thrown at him, along with some of the dumb things he
might have said, invariably reverts back to talking about how gay the
people asking the questions are? Not me.
>Stay in Texas boy,
If you were a Texan you'd understand that Texas is a state of mind and
remains in the heart of a true Texan, no matter where he might be.
>we might have a John Wayne Gacey on our hands here.
What's this "we" you're talking about, dingleberry. Near as I can
tell, Chuck's just busting your balls because you've been stupid
enough to talk about things you don't really know about...again.
>Is he involved in
>the construction trades, does he have a clown suit?
You might check with your tailor - I mean, you're the only clown in
this conversation.
>YEAH STAY IN TEXAS!
>Work Montrose Yoweeeeee ;)
Naw, you're already pissed off. Wouldn't want to deal with your
shrieking hissies while you're trying to slug me with your purse.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
I believe Chuck is wrong, the famous song I was thinking of is "Who's
crazy now?" by Patsy Cline .
Never heard of George Michael Jerry....I was a Hank Williams Sr., Patsy
Cline, Ernest Tubb, Cowboy Copas, Ferlin Huskey & Stones man. George
Michael? he one of them what you call-it Hip Hop or rappers? Only
thing you and I have in common was unlike most rednecks of my
generation I had a broad taste in music and poetry or music as poetry
but listened to further back artists than Johny Cash but liked Frank
Zappa Bob Dillon and a host of other hippies, must be that education
the Navy payed for. Now don't tell me that ugly bastard Zappa was queer
like you boy! Shivered my timbers when I found out Gilbert Roland then
years later Rock Hudson were queers. ;-/
the unknown flailer
sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2006 21:49:37 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> On 20 Dec 2006 19:05:09 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> >> >> the unknown flailer wrote:
> >> >> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> >> >> > > cgilb39...@aol.com wrote:
> >Speaking of which Chucks quoting the New
> >Testament now.
>
> Naw, sounded like Johnny Cash to me.
> ...jlk
Johnny Cash didn't write Revelations, Chuck was quoting the bible. If
the man in black sang those words it was biblical plagiarism, You
really aren't very well educated are you? Or maybe you were and had no
retention to hold it together in a broad sense. I've seen you skip
reading on here. You skip a lot while reading or else its skipping over
your head one, either way
it causes a narrow expanse of knowledge otherwise known as being narrow
minded, Don't feel bad Chucks got the same problem he just skips over
what doesn't agree with his beliefs....two peas in a pod or is that
two peas podding each other? HAW HAW HAW
the unknown flailer
I know the USN must have had Queers, didn't notice any cuz I'm pretty
up front about how I feel about certain shit so none approached me and
as a MAA between schools as a true MAA as a court MAA and as a prisoner
chaser type MAA and for 3 years in Europe I was the CMAA of a post,
until I moved off base that is, Wore three hats at that fukking
command. Anyway being a MAA type just about everywhere except Vietnam I
had the power to apprehend or arrest with force sailors or other
servicemen breaking major regulations, fighting and/or rioting. If I
had seen two servicemen in fellatio I would have arrested them on the
spot....spent most of my time busting thief and doper types. I hated a
thief above all others. You don't have much in the service nor much
space to keep anything, specially in the Navy. Somebody steals
something personal its bad. I myself shall we say borrowed USMC Jeeps
in Vietnam.....that was O.K. paint VN numbers on them and the USMC
never checked, they were afraid to question the SVN military over such
a delicate subject....I MEAN STEALING PERSONAL ITEMS, I was death on
that! Death on dope also. Stealing a Jar head jeep is not stealing if
you ask me. How can someone in the military needing a ride and using
available military equipment be considered to be doing something
unlawful? Had a run of bad luck, stole a M.P. Jeep....if you are going
to do that, be sure to steal their helmet and brassard also. Because
youre going to stick out like a sore thumb driving around drunk in a
Marine M.P. Jeep without being dressed like one. Geeze were they
pissed. Then I stole a Marine Majors jeep and finally the old man said
HEY!, this is getting out of hand, the Marines are on my phone the
whole time you are in....I'll loan you my jeep when you come in to
DaNang, all you have to do is pick me up in the morning and drop me off
at BOQ down at NSA after work. That gives you all day while I'm working
and all night while I'm sleeping.
QUITE SCREWING AROUND WITH THE MARINES, THOSE ARE IIIMAF HQ Officers
and M.P.'s you're pissing off!.
That's right Sir, I would never screw over a Field Marine.
You feel the same way about Navy HQ types?
Oh no sirrrrrrr, Navy Officers are family
And they loan you jeeps right?
YES SIR
Is that why?
YES SIR, THEY TAKE CARE OF US
Or they get their jeep stole right?
NO SIR I would never steal a Naval Officers jeep! Specially a full
Commanders!
off my deck, don't scratch my jeep up and keep it clean and polished
while youre in town
AYE AYE SIR, THANK YOU SIR.
fuck if I'd of stayed for 30 I'd have retired a Fleet Admrial cuz I
could handle senior officers and their trick questions <evil grin>
Course I had to share it with any stray LT that came in while I was
in....That suited the old man, he felt the LT's would keep me out of
trouble, suited me to because I new how to work a full LT best of all,
hell I had one of my own down below Hoi An and praticed on him all the
time, threatened to put me on report at least 5 times a month but never
did, never gave me below a 3.8 on E.R.'s either, he just liked to
gripe. YOU CAN HEAR ME ON THE RADIO DAMMIT, I HEAR YOU 5/5 0~;-)
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 20 Dec 2006 20:50:18 -0800, cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >the unknown flailer wrote:
>> >> cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts, And I looked
>> >and
>> >> > behold: a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Death. And
>> >> > Hell followed with him.
>> >>
>> >> ~Now who's crazy?~
>> >
>> >Ask Johnny Cash, they're his lyrics. I thought that perhaps you might
>> >adopt it for your sig, since your a fatal kind of guy.
>> >
>> >Merry Xmas
>>
>> If anyone knows some George Michael songs, Jinnie'll sing along.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>I believe Chuck is wrong, the famous song I was thinking of is "Who's
>crazy now?" by Patsy Cline .
Way lame bailout Jinnie. Chuck quotes Johnny Cash, you suggest he's
crazy (asking, "~Now who's crazy?~") and then launch into a jag
referencing religious text and Revelations and when it starts becoming
clear you're stepping in it...again...the best you can do is say,
"Chuck was wrong," as if Chuck ~wasn't~ quoting Johnny Cash and
nevermind your own personal sideshow stretching from the Book of John
to the Koran. It gets better - you now sheepishly suggest you were
thinking of a Patsy Cline song called, "Who's Crazy Now?" There is no
Patsy Cline song with that name, Jinnie. I think you're just doing
the monkey dance some more because you missed a Johnny Cash reference
and since part of your act revolves around pretensions of being
"country" and a "good o'l boy redneck," you're getting all defensive,
raising some sort of half-assed damage control, for betraying an
unfamiliarity with Johnny Cash.
>Never heard of George Michael Jerry....
You'd like his style Jinnie, I'm sure. Not only that he isn't a
skydiver either so you and him both have that "advantage" of not
caring about what other people think - that disadvantage, of course,
belonging only to skydivers.
>I was a Hank Williams Sr., Patsy
>Cline, Ernest Tubb, Cowboy Copas, Ferlin Huskey & Stones man.
Clearly you weren't a fan of Johnny Cash. What you got against him,
anyway?
>George
>Michael? he one of them what you call-it Hip Hop or rappers?
Naw, I'd say he's more like a cross between Ernest Tubb and Mick
Jagger - you'd definitely appreciate his style.
>Only
>thing you and I have in common was unlike most rednecks of my
>generation I had a broad taste in music and poetry or music as poetry
>but listened to further back artists than Johny Cash
I guess you never got around to listening to Cash's "The Man Comes
Around," eh?
>but liked Frank
>Zappa Bob Dillon and a host of other hippies, must be that education
>the Navy payed for. Now don't tell me that ugly bastard Zappa was queer
>like you boy!
Read the lyrics to "Bobby Brown Goes Down," and make your own
judgement, Jinnie.
>Shivered my timbers when I found out Gilbert Roland then
>years later Rock Hudson were queers.
You mean it made you quiver with excitement? No matter - I think
you're mistaken about Roland (unless you had a date with him or
something) - near as I can tell he was married for 40 years before he
passed away.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2006 23:19:07 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
> Clearly you weren't a fan of Johnny Cash. What you got against him,
> anyway?
Saw him and Carl Perkins do a live performance at a Allied NCO club in
Europe once, Guess it was part of a USO tour they both seemed to or
drunk something. Johnny did alright. He was better than Carl and just
mesmerized the Limeys, June Carter was there also, she only sang one
song, spent most of her time trying to keep J.C. from falling off the
stage and fending off C.P. every time he tried to cop a feel. I know
the young American Servicemen really liked Johnny's music. They bought
those Teak tape to tape machines like hotcakes and blared his music out
day and night.The Brits ate up HillBilly music.....Figure that one out.
> >George
> >Michael? he one of them what you call-it Hip Hop or rappers?
>
> Naw, I'd say he's more like a cross between Ernest Tubb and Mick
> Jagger - you'd definitely appreciate his style.
He's a country rocker? Ole Mick looked and acted like a fairy but
he was straight I reckon....it was just a hippie thing to get women,
enough pretty women have fleeced him, that's for sure
> >Only thing you and I have in common was unlike most rednecks of my
> >generation I had a broad taste in music and poetry or music as poetry
> >but listened to further back artists than Johny Cash
>
> I guess you never got around to listening to Cash's "The Man Comes
> Around," eh?
Nope, never heard of it
>
> >but liked Frank Zappa Bob Dillon and a host of other hippies, must be that education
> >the Navy payed for. Now don't tell me that ugly bastard Zappa was queer
> >like you boy!
>
> Read the lyrics to "Bobby Brown Goes Down," and make your own
> judgement, Jinnie.
Bobby Brown was gay? How about Marvin Gaye? Afrin American sailors
seemed to really like those two, but not Johnny Cash so much.
> >Shivered my timbers when I found out Gilbert Roland then
> >years later Rock Hudson were queers.
>
> You mean it made you quiver with excitement? No matter - I think
> you're mistaken about Roland (unless you had a date with him or
> something) - near as I can tell he was married for 40 years before he
> passed away.
bi-sexual Jerry, know what that is? Plenty of men have been married
30/40 years have children then decide to have sex change operations.
Gilbert Roland was queer.........Amanda Blake the chick that played
Miss Kitty on Gun smoke was gay also, dated a chick from Hollywood she
hit on once.....I was appalled. People who lean that way should be up
front with it. Lookit Liberarche and Elton John, didn't hurt their
careers. Honesty is the best policy Jerry, come on out of the closet
with that fancy lad outfit
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 20 Dec 2006 21:49:37 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >> On 20 Dec 2006 19:05:09 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> >> the unknown flailer wrote:
>> >> >> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> >> > > cgilb39...@aol.com wrote:
>> >Speaking of which Chucks quoting the New
>> >Testament now.
>>
>> Naw, sounded like Johnny Cash to me.
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Johnny Cash didn't write Revelations,
Duh - which is why Chuck wasn't quoting Revelations, dingleberry.
>Chuck was quoting the bible.
No, Jinnie - you're wrong - andf I'll prove it - you stepped in it
again.
What Chuck wrote:
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts, And I looked and
behold: a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Death. And
Hell followed with him.
What Johnny Cash wrote in his popular song, "The Man Comes Around."
It's from the chorus:
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts, And I looked and
behold: a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Death. And
Hell followed with him.
What is written in Revelations:
6. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A
measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a
penny: and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7. And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of
the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat
on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto
them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with
hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
http://www2.wwnorton.com/college/english/nael/20century/topic_3/horsemen.htm
I defy you to find within Revelations where those two sentences above
which Chuck quoted, word for word, from Johnny Cash's song are
presented in the same way. You won't. You will find words and
sentences which are the same but the similarity between what Chuck
quoted and what Johnny Cash wrote in his song are exact. Whereas,
what Chuck wrote which you say is from Revelations, the simularities
are piecemeal. Cash used different and disparate parts from
Revelations and put them in his song, which Chuck quoted.
Specifically, part of 6:6 and 6:8 which while being from Revelations,
is not directly quoting from the Bible.
>If
>the man in black sang those words it was biblical plagiarism,
He did sing them but I would call it paraphrasing or taking disparate
pieces that worked for him in his song than specifically plagiarism.
Nevertheless - you say Chuck was crazy for quoting Revelations to
which Chuck said it was Johnny Cash to which you said it was
Revelations that Cash was quoting to which I've ~shown~ it was not a
quote but a use of disparate pieces - so, you're wong (again) Jinnie -
because you didn't do you homework (again) - Chuck was not quoting the
Bible - he was quoting Johnny Cash.
>You
>really aren't very well educated are you?
Are you looking in the mirror when you ask that, dumbass? I've just
demonstrated how, if I am "uneducated," just how "educated" you are in
comparision.
>Or maybe you were and had no
>retention to hold it together in a broad sense.
Hell, Jinnie - at least I can tell the difference between quotes from
Johnny Cash and the Book of John. How broad you looking for for?
>I've seen you skip
>reading on here.
It's SOP for you, Jinnie - don't like the questions you get, you
ignore them or change them. Weak, lame, and undisciplined.
>You skip a lot while reading or else its skipping over
>your head one,
No, I pretty much address each and every dumbass observation,
contention, and conclusion you make while essentially completely
deconstructing every one, with a little ridicule thrown in on the side
- it's instrumental in what feeds the mutally assured killfile.
>either way
>it causes a narrow expanse of knowledge otherwise known as being narrow
>minded,
Narrow? Shit, Jinnie - not me reading Johnny Cash and concluding it
can be nothing but a quote from Revelations - unless you're broad
enough to admit to the obvious and apparent - that you stepped in it
and are wrong (again).
>Don't feel bad Chucks got the same problem he just skips over
>what doesn't agree with his beliefs....
And then there's you - skipped over some Johnny Cash which Chuck
quoted, suggested Chuck was crazy - ostensibly for quoting Revleations
which has been shown to be really nothing more than Johnny Cash, and
then you launched into a self-serving treatis loosly spanning from the
Book of John to the Koran (and its effects in the middle east). Of
course, what's to come is how you're going to contend that disparate
parts from Revelations cut and spliced together is still a straight
quote from the Bible and therefore Johnny Cash was quoting Revelations
and Chuck was crazy for quoting Revelations. Got news for you Jinnie.
Just because I might say something like, "evils are sufferable, these
truths to be self-evident," in reference to how true it is that you
are a dingleberry, does not necessarily mean I'm quoting the
Declaration of Independence.
>two peas in a pod or is that
>two peas podding each other?
Actually, I think this was a matter of Chuck setting you up, you
sucked it in and started choking on the bait, I set the hook, and
presto - big fact monkey, clearly out of its element, dancing on a
line and even now considering some position to bail to. Probably
something to do with skygods or pissing people off or some such. BTW
- speaking of peas podding each other - how's the little sailor you
said you have in you been doing. Does he still scratch your nose
while your head's stuck up in there? Do your homework better next
time, Jinnie.
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
So, you're saying you had a problem with other Sailors blowing each
other but it was okay to blow the Fleet Admiral if you got a jeep out
of it and he let you sit on the shift? Is that what all your gay
references are about? You miss hunching down in a jeep?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> >Commanders!<--------------------here Jerry
> >off my deck, don't scratch my jeep up and keep it clean and polished
> >while youre in town
> >AYE AYE SIR, THANK YOU SIR.
> >could handle senior officers and their trick questions <evil grin>
> >Course I had to share it with any stray LT that came in while I was
> >in....That suited the old man, he felt the LT's would keep me out of
> >trouble, suited me to because I new how to work a full LT best of all,
> >time, threatened to put me on report at least 5 times a month but never
> >did, never gave me below a 3.8 on E.R.'s either, he just liked to
> >gripe. YOU CAN HEAR ME ON THE RADIO DAMMIT, I HEAR YOU 5/5 0~;-)
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
>
> So, you're saying you had a problem with other Sailors blowing each
> other but it was okay to blow the Fleet Admiral if you got a jeep out
> of it and he let you sit on the shift? Is that what all your gay
> references are about? You miss hunching down in a jeep?
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Did I say Admiral? Believe it was full Commander. The senior Naval
Advisor in I Corps was
a 05 in 1969. And a Navy LT. is not equal with a Lt in any other
branch. their 03's. Oh I
forgot, you are not only a skygod but a cheese eating video geek, you
get your nose up the highest ass you can around the DZ. And that would
be called brown nosing both in the Navy
and world wide I'm thinking. Although most skydivers being younger
tended to call it butt smooching when I was active in the 90's 0~;-*
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
Did it piss off the Admiral that you were blowing the Commander in his
jeep?
>Oh I
>forgot, you are not only a skygod but a cheese eating video geek,
Current, too. Yep, being called skygod by you is a compliment because
the skygods in your short time got that name for calling you on your
stupids and otherwise having a good time skydiving on formations you
couldn't be on and here I am today - calling you on your stupids and
jumping formations you can't be on. Can't wait for the next "skygod
convention!" Shit too funny!!!
>you
>get your nose up the highest ass you can around the DZ.
Let's put this in perspective here, Jinnie. You don't go to dz's so
you don't know - unless you've called and that's what they've told you
but that can't be so because I've often suggested you call the dz
about a variety of things, from coaching programs to prices for lift
tickets to whether I was on staff or not and each time you made
excuses not to - all following the line of you weren't going to bother
because they would just lie to you. So, this idea of yours that I
"get (my) nose up the highest ass (I) can around the DZ is based only
and solely on what you have no way of knowing for sure (unless you've
called) because you're too lazy, undisicplined, and self-conscious to
go to dropzones or this idea is based on a conversation you might have
had with the dropzone which can't be taken as fact because you've
already made the absolute conclusion that they would lie to you if you
asked them questions. Actually, this conclusion of yours is nothing
more than (another) troll towards the purpose of doing some riling so
you can crow about "riling a skygod," or some such and feel that
little bit of affirmation that you can cause something to happen.
Transparent and predictable, Jinnie. It's you all over.
>nd that would
>be called brown nosing both in the Navy
>and world wide I'm thinking.
>Although most skydivers being younger
>tended to call it butt smooching when I was active in the 90's
Whoopty shit, Jinnie. You got your head so far up your own backside
in this enthusiastic approach of yours towards kissing your own ass,
it's just another example of how no one, not even you, Jinnie, looks
good in brown lipstick.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> use was issued in Texas in 1957.
> I care not what you say about it. The Social Security Administration is
> paying the person using that number. Why don't you contact them (SSA)
> and tell them that it's not you..............must be a case of fraud.
>
> Merry Christmas
DAMN like to have missed your post, Jerrys covering you up with a
flurry of wild denials
since he admitted yawls relationship was more than wreck skydiving deep
in a posted quote and I started hassling him. And that isn't me. See
computer related searches fall under the garbage in garbage out rules.
You put the wrong senior citizen in Chuck, told you I wasn't a Negro
but if it gives you something to do ~run with it~ Merry Christmas HO HO
HO jingo bells jingo bells stick a marine and ring his bell. Ya Ya I'd
say notify the SSA and see where it gets you Chuckles, you might get to
spend next Christmas with Jeff Skilling! But some innocent party might
need to get Marvin Zinler involved to get the hold taken off his Social
Security Check! Wheres Whaler when you need him. HEY CAN A DARKY DOWN
IN TEXAS SUE CHUCK FOR PAIN AND SUFFERING caused by a hold on his
Federal checks while a investigation is in progress? How many years can
Chuck get for making false statements to a arm of the USG? 0~;)P
hey somebody call Al Sharpton Chuck
is hassling Negro's again HAW HAW HAW
do it do it do it do
it doit doooooooooooooo it
the unknown flailer
Heh bothering somebody again am I?
BTW their are skygods and Skygods, the lack of a capital S makes a big
difference in context you know. ;)
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
Not at all, Jinnie - as ever, I'll play this dumb game of yours for as
long as you can take it. I suppose it stands to reason that if
suggesting you don't look good in brown lipstick just ~has~ to be
indicative of being "bothered" then so it is also when someone else
makes the suggestion that another person is "brown nosing." So, I
guess I was bothering you when I asked if you were pissing off the
Admiral when you were blowing the Commander in his jeep.
>
>BTW their are skygods and Skygods, the lack of a capital S makes a big
>difference in context you know.
Yeah, yeah - sounds like kind of an anal deliniation to me, Jinnie. Do
you suppose there are examples out there where youve called the same
person both "skygod" and "Skygod?" Y aknow - there is no difference
between dingleberry and Dingleberry and you - all are about the same
thing.
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 20 Dec 2006 23:19:07 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >Never heard of George Michael Jerry.... he a cuzin of yours?
>>
>> Clearly you weren't a fan of Johnny Cash. What you got against him,
>> anyway?
>
>
>Saw him and Carl Perkins do a live performance at a Allied NCO club in
>Europe once, Guess it was part of a USO tour they both seemed to or
>drunk something. Johnny did alright. He was better than Carl and just
>mesmerized the Limeys, June Carter was there also, she only sang one
>song, spent most of her time trying to keep J.C. from falling off the
>stage and fending off C.P. every time he tried to cop a feel. I know
>the young American Servicemen really liked Johnny's music. They bought
>those Teak tape to tape machines like hotcakes and blared his music out
>day and night.The Brits ate up HillBilly music.....Figure that one out.
Little different than America having a musical British Invasion,
Jinnie, so go figure that, too while you're at it. So, you like
Johnny Cash enough to go see him yet you can't tell the difference
between his stuff and the Book of Revelations? Still, you're
pretentious enough to call him "The Man in Black." (Kinda like
someone who wasn't in Viet Nam calling it "'Nam," eh?) Call it a mild
interest, I guess.
>
>> >George
>> >Michael? he one of them what you call-it Hip Hop or rappers?
>>
>> Naw, I'd say he's more like a cross between Ernest Tubb and Mick
>> Jagger - you'd definitely appreciate his style.
>
> He's a country rocker? Ole Mick looked and acted like a fairy but
>he was straight I reckon....it was just a hippie thing to get women,
>enough pretty women have fleeced him, that's for sure
Yeah, I'm sure o'l George's popular in some cowboy circles.
>
>> >Only thing you and I have in common was unlike most rednecks of my
>> >generation I had a broad taste in music and poetry or music as poetry
>> >but listened to further back artists than Johny Cash
>>
>> I guess you never got around to listening to Cash's "The Man Comes
>> Around," eh?
>
> Nope, never heard of it
Some fan you are, eh? Still it does explain why you immediately
freaked out when Chuck posted that bit from Johnny's song - you were
just plain ignorant and inexperienced, that's all. No big deal - it's
not like people have any expectations of you being culturely broad
enough to recognize a Johnny Cash song when you see it.
>>
>> >but liked Frank Zappa Bob Dillon and a host of other hippies, must be that education
>> >the Navy payed for. Now don't tell me that ugly bastard Zappa was queer
>> >like you boy!
>>
>> Read the lyrics to "Bobby Brown Goes Down," and make your own
>> judgement, Jinnie.
>
> Bobby Brown was gay? How about Marvin Gaye? Afrin American sailors
>seemed to really like those two, but not Johnny Cash so much.
I don't know about Marvin Gaye - I leave those sort of assessements
to the professionals with real-life experience - I.E. - to you, but as
for Bobby Brown, if you knew the song and the album it was on, you
would know what the deal was with Bobby Brown. And, umm - some Zappa
fan you are, for that matter.
>
>
>> >Shivered my timbers when I found out Gilbert Roland then
>> >years later Rock Hudson were queers.
>>
>> You mean it made you quiver with excitement? No matter - I think
>> you're mistaken about Roland (unless you had a date with him or
>> something) - near as I can tell he was married for 40 years before he
>> passed away.
>
> bi-sexual Jerry, know what that is? Plenty of men have been married
>30/40 years have children then decide to have sex change operations.
Is that what you're planning now, Jinnie? As for Roland, never heard
anything about them burying him in a dress. You saying he was
bisexual now? Let's see the proof, Jinnie - at least some reference
to a tabloid or some hack reporter story at minimum. I mean, without
that, all bets are off and you are clearly a bisexual until proven
otherwise.
>Gilbert Roland was queer.........Amanda Blake the chick that played
>Miss Kitty on Gun smoke was gay also, dated a chick from Hollywood she
>hit on once.....I was appalled.
Not only that, wasn't Trigger a mare? Now, about this "chick" from
Hollywood. "Her" voice a little low and throaty? She wasn't from
West Hollywood, was she? Best date of your life?
>People who lean that way should be up
>front with it.
That's what I've been telling you for years, Jinnie. Practice what
you preach, I say. That way you don't have to use all that gay stuff
as insults or thinking it's gonna piss people off. You'll be free to
be you.
>Lookit Liberarche and Elton John, didn't hurt their
>careers.
Shit, Jinnie - by the time that news made it to the general public
their careers were the least of their worries.
>Honesty is the best policy Jerry, come on out of the closet
>with that fancy lad outfit
You mean my custom built USN colored Blue and Gold BodySport ensemble
with pink hook-knife and hand-painted gold Protec accessories? Oh,
wait - my bad - that was your outfit - not mine.
bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
>Jimmy, you might want to leave Jerry alone, he's leaps and bounds
>smarter than you are.
>Just an observation.
>
>Merry one James
I can also stand up my landings. ROFLMAO!!!
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > cgilb39...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Merry one.
> >
> > six month deployment......BSU and whats this Jerrys saying about
> > packing your fudge?
>
>
>
> Merry Christmas
~Beach Survey Unit~
its the way the Navy used to do things before Central Command you seem
to worship was invented. Cob together composit units....A few Army
experts in such things as Intelligence, interrogation and Language, a
few Force Recon....say less than 12....., a few UDT say a Platoons wort
and some hand picked boat crews. Send them via skulking Amphibious
means.....the main goal was not to attract attention. We stayed quite
a while because we couldn't catch any Chinese advisers and that was
part of the mission. The survey itself only took a few months but
beating the bushes for ChiComs seemed to go on forever. Later as a Co
Van I learned the Vietnamese and Chinese leaders were long time
enemy's.....I'm talking for century's and had to laugh at the early
days of flailing about looking for them down south. Scared the hell out
of Chinese traders and merchants who had become part of Vietnamese
society though. Our country can be quite dangerous when operating
without a clue....Thats why George Junior has always scared the hell
out of me... <grin>
the unknown flailer
> happy to give my insight to any government official who ask. How about
> you Jimmy. Maybe you can just tell them you're a secret co van on a
> mission and under funded.
>
> Merry One James
I know who I am, you don't I know I'm legal, that means you have the
wrong person and are fixing to fuck up. You know why? Because you are
forever trying to fit me into what you expect. That gives me the Hammer
Chuckles, I wait in expectation for you to step on your own dick. Just
like the PLF/NLF huh? Waiting for you to walk into it heh heh 0~;)p
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> > On 20 Dec 2006 23:35:03 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> > <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> > >> On 20 Dec 2006 21:49:37 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> > >> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> > >> >> On 20 Dec 2006 19:05:09 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> > >> >> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > >> >> >> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > >> >> >> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > >> >> >> > > cgilb39...@aol.com wrote:
> Jimmy, you might want to leave Jerry alone, he's leaps and bounds
> smarter than you are.
> Just an observation.
>
> Merry one James
really? I've always thought of yawl as dumb and dumber. Good thing you
can't procreate. ;)
the unknown flailer
Bravo Zulu ;)P
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
Thanks, but it's nothing special - most people figure enough out to
get more or less consistent in 20-30 jumps.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2006 10:11:54 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> On 20 Dec 2006 23:19:07 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >> >Never heard of George Michael Jerry.... he a cuzin of yours?
> >>
> >> Clearly you weren't a fan of Johnny Cash. What you got against him,
> >> anyway?
Ah he was alright, I just prefered a mixture of music.
> >> Read the lyrics to "Bobby Brown Goes Down," and make your own
> >> judgement, Jinnie.
> >
> > Bobby Brown was gay? How about Marvin Gaye? Afrin American sailors
> >seemed to really like those two, but not Johnny Cash so much.
>
> I don't know about Marvin Gaye - I leave those sort of assessements
> to the professionals with real-life experience - I.E. - to you,
Well he was from a dsyfunctional family apparently......His father shot
and killed him.
>but as for Bobby Brown, if you knew the song and the album it was on, you
> would know what the deal was with Bobby Brown. And, umm - some Zappa
> fan you are, for that matter.
Not a fan, just liked a lot of different music.....Classical, Opera,
Big Band Swing, Jazz singers, Country, Rock and Roll. Oh how the E-3's
and 4's and 5's and 6's howled when I played some of my high brow
choices......YOUR KILLING US auggggggggg. Couldn't stand skating ring
music myself so I know how they felt. RHIP though.
> >> >Shivered my timbers when I found out Gilbert Roland then
> >> >years later Rock Hudson were queers.
> >>
> >> You mean it made you quiver with excitement? No matter - I think
> >> you're mistaken about Roland (unless you had a date with him or
> >> something) - near as I can tell he was married for 40 years before he
> >> passed away.
> >
> > bi-sexual Jerry, know what that is? Plenty of men have been married
> >30/40 years have children and are queers on the side
> Is that what you're planning now, Jinnie?
I'm waiting to see how you and chuck make out with that marriage.
As for Roland, never heard
> anything about them burying him in a dress. You saying he was
> bisexual now? Let's see the proof, Jinnie - at least some reference
> to a tabloid or some hack reporter story at minimum. I mean, without
> that, all bets are off and you are clearly a bisexual until proven
> otherwise.
Nope I liked old Gilbert Roland, would have wished otherwise for him.
> bsrp
> ...jlk
Those were the days of contract actors....studio's protected their
assets. Weren't no scandal sheets. Presidents were protected also.
Few people knew FDR was mostly wheel chair bound or had screwed around
on Eleanor....Same with Ike he cheated on Mamie while in England.
He was poking his driver. heh heh Quick run and look boy, see if it was
a Marine bwahahahahaha. Course a lot of shit could be like most DZ
stuff,
petty jealousy's and sour grapes~ Never trust historians Jerry. Come
ask me HAW HAW HAW 0~;)
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 21 Dec 2006 10:11:54 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >> On 20 Dec 2006 23:19:07 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >> >Never heard of George Michael Jerry.... he a cuzin of yours?
>> >>
>> >> Clearly you weren't a fan of Johnny Cash. What you got against him,
>> >> anyway?
>
>Ah he was alright, I just prefered a mixture of music.
So, of the artists who used portions of Revelations in their music,
who's your favorite?
>
>> >> Read the lyrics to "Bobby Brown Goes Down," and make your own
>> >> judgement, Jinnie.
>> >
>> > Bobby Brown was gay? How about Marvin Gaye? Afrin American sailors
>> >seemed to really like those two, but not Johnny Cash so much.
>>
>> I don't know about Marvin Gaye - I leave those sort of assessements
>> to the professionals with real-life experience - I.E. - to you,
>
>Well he was from a dsyfunctional family apparently......His father shot
>and killed him.
So, based on that have you made a determination towards your all
important assessment of lifestyle?
>>but as for Bobby Brown, if you knew the song and the album it was on, you
>> would know what the deal was with Bobby Brown. And, umm - some Zappa
>> fan you are, for that matter.
>
>Not a fan, just liked a lot of different music.....Classical, Opera,
>Big Band Swing, Jazz singers, Country, Rock and Roll. Oh how the E-3's
>and 4's and 5's and 6's howled when I played some of my high brow
>choices......YOUR KILLING US auggggggggg. Couldn't stand skating ring
>music myself so I know how they felt. RHIP though.
I think Bobby Brown Goes Down would be right up your alley, so to
speak.
>
>> >> >Shivered my timbers when I found out Gilbert Roland then
>> >> >years later Rock Hudson were queers.
>> >>
>> >> You mean it made you quiver with excitement? No matter - I think
>> >> you're mistaken about Roland (unless you had a date with him or
>> >> something) - near as I can tell he was married for 40 years before he
>> >> passed away.
>> >
>> > bi-sexual Jerry, know what that is? Plenty of men have been married
>> >30/40 years have children and are queers on the side
>
>> Is that what you're planning now, Jinnie?
>
>I'm waiting to see how you and chuck make out with that marriage.
What marriage?
>
> As for Roland, never heard
>> anything about them burying him in a dress. You saying he was
>> bisexual now? Let's see the proof, Jinnie - at least some reference
>> to a tabloid or some hack reporter story at minimum. I mean, without
>> that, all bets are off and you are clearly a bisexual until proven
>> otherwise.
>
>Nope I liked old Gilbert Roland, would have wished otherwise for him.
What, wish he just liked guys or that he was buried in a dress?
>> bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Those were the days of contract actors....studio's protected their
>assets. Weren't no scandal sheets.
Unless you were Fatty Arbuckle, Robert Mitchum, Charlie Chaplin, Zero
Mostel, Jean Harlow, or even Ingrid Bergman. I call bullshit on your
suggestion that there weren't any scandal sheets. They have been a
staple since before hollywood. I think I remember a movie from the
30's called, "Scandal Sheet."
>Presidents were protected also.
>Few people knew FDR was mostly wheel chair bound or had screwed around
>on Eleanor....
That's true enough but this is not to say that this is proof that
Gilbert Roland played for the other team.
>Same with Ike he cheated on Mamie while in England.
>He was poking his driver.
Those stories go all the way back to North Africa, if not before.
There's a joke that went around at the time that had her driving Ike
somewhere and the car breaks down so she gets out to fix it. After a
few minutes Ike gets out to see if he could help at all.
"Screwdriver?" He asks her.
"Okay," she answers, "I can't fix it anyway."
But, this too is not to say Roland was a B teamer.
>heh heh Quick run and look boy, see if it was
>a Marine bwahahahahaha. Course a lot of shit could be like most DZ
>stuff,
>petty jealousy's and sour grapes~ Never trust historians Jerry. Come
>ask me
Well, sure - get the answer (if you had one) and work as exact an
opposite as possible - be much clser to the truth when all is said and
done.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2006 20:13:50 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> But, this too is not to say Roland was a B teamer.
>
Yeah I hate that too
> >heh heh Quick run and look boy, see if it was
> >a Marine bwahahahahaha. Course a lot of shit could be like most DZ
> >stuff, petty jealousy's and sour grapes~ Never trust perception, history or what you
> >hear Jerry. Come ask me
>
> Well, sure - get the answer (if you had one) and work as exact an
> opposite as possible -
Nah History is always cleaned up and rewritten over & over again by
scholars who weren't there, ask a guy with sea stories, they will give
the unvarnished version
It was a Limey female, I'm thinking Sgt. Women's Axillary, they
provided most of the staff car drivers. He wanted to bring her back to
the states with him after the war but wiser heads prevailed...She was a
looker, divorce was still considered a no no up into the 1950's.
>be much clser to the truth when all is said and
> done.
What-History according to a grumpy old man?
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
#1 Gilbert Roland was a Queer but at least he was Butch.
#2 Fatty Arbuckle? A woman's death was involved.
#3 The little tramp? Statutory rape
You expect the last two to go unreported? American Justice must
prevail. Damn makes me want to hang someone....I'm going to grow up to
be a bloodthirsty old bastard some day! ;)P
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> > > > On 20 Dec 2006 23:35:03 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> > > > <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> > > > >> On 20 Dec 2006 21:49:37 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> > > > >> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> > > > >> >> On 20 Dec 2006 19:05:09 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
> > > > >> >> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> the unknown flailer wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> > cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> > > cgilb39...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Jimmy, you might want to leave Jerry alone, he's leaps and bounds
> > > smarter than you are.
> > > Just an observation.
> > >
> > > Merry one James
> >
> >
>
> really? I've always thought of yawl as dumb and dumber. Good thing you
> > can't procreate. ;)
> Not surprising to me Jimmy. You regard everyone as being dumb, with
> exception to yourself.
Not every one, just you and one or two others.
Enjoy it while it last.
ummmm interesting, Ebonics
> I will be hibernating
> soon.
>
> Merry Christmas
back to lockdown huh?
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 21 Dec 2006 20:13:50 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>
>> But, this too is not to say Roland was a B teamer.
>>
> Yeah I hate that too
What, that he was or that he wasn't?
>
>> >heh heh Quick run and look boy, see if it was
>> >a Marine bwahahahahaha. Course a lot of shit could be like most DZ
>> >stuff, petty jealousy's and sour grapes~ Never trust perception, history or what you
>> >hear Jerry. Come ask me
>>
>> Well, sure - get the answer (if you had one) and work as exact an
>> opposite as possible -
>
>Nah History is always cleaned up and rewritten over & over again by
>scholars who weren't there,
Always? I think not. Not by a longshot.
Here's some inconvienent examples:
30 Seconds Over Tokyo - Major Ted Lawson
Panzer Leader - General Heinz Guderian
Samurai! - Lieutenant Saburo Sakai
>ask a guy with sea stories, they will give
>the unvarnished version
Perhaps but with you as the example, this I call bullshit on. You
could float a battleship with the varnish you slap on stories.
>
>It was a Limey female, I'm thinking Sgt. Women's Axillary,
Irish.
>they
>provided most of the staff car drivers. He wanted to bring her back to
>the states with him after the war but wiser heads prevailed...She was a
>looker, divorce was still considered a no no up into the 1950's.
Heh - she divorced her first husband, too.
>
>>be much clser to the truth when all is said and
>> done.
>
> What-History according to a grumpy old man?
Which is not to say that such a view is universal or even consistent
amongst most or even all "grumpy old men," - just a pretense on your
part. Better said, "History According to Jinnie," - it rates it's own
exotic sub-genre.
>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>#1 Gilbert Roland was a Queer but at least he was Butch.
>#2 Fatty Arbuckle? A woman's death was involved.
>#3 The little tramp? Statutory rape
>You expect the last two to go unreported? American Justice must
>prevail. Damn makes me want to hang someone....I'm going to grow up to
>be a bloodthirsty old bastard some day!
Shit, Jinnie - you were the one who said the studios protected their
stars, no scandal sheets, et al...but go ahead and discount those
examples - what about the other ones I listed - you know - the other
ones that did make those non-existant scandal sheets demonstrating
where the studios perhaps did ~not~ always protect their stars -
Mitchell, Mostel, Harlow, Bergman...
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> Navy History of "Beach Survey Unit".
>
> http://www.forcerecon.com/ Contacted the Force Recon Assoication, no
> one could place a marine on that type of team prior to 64'
>
> Contacted CIA to ask if any Marines were Temporary Attached Duty (TAD)
> to the CIA OPCON for Beach Survey Unit, RVN 1960-1964.
>
> First Force Recon Marine was killed doing a beach recon in RVN, but he
> was not associated with a "Beach Survey Unit."
>
> If you served during the Korean Conflict, your story might have worked
> a little better.
>
> You ought to have said that you were working for the CIA and you could
> tell me, but then you would have to kill me.
>
> I have two choices in responding to this post. I can believe the
> Official History or I can believe Snuffy.
Nobody said anything about the CIA, Far as I'm concerned it was a
CINCPACFLT run operation, never heard the CIA mentioned. Read books all
you want.....That was the makeup of the unit, tasked for a dual purpose
mission, Beach Survey and Search for sign of ChiCom Advisers. The
Marines surveyed from top of beach line to 1K in and UDT 12 did the
actual beach surveys. The Army guys never went ashore. See that's the
difference between reading books and actually being on the scene. The
shame is these Associations don't know all of their history, Less than
a squad of marines probably doesn't show up on their radar screen, so
the only people who know are the old guys still living. You mentioned a
dead Marine? No Marines were killed, the only loss was a combat swimmer
named Johnson or Johnston a name something like that....Nobody knows
what happened, he became separated from his swim buddy and we never
recovered the body. The first Marines I heard of being killed operating
off this particular High Speed Transport (APD) in Vietnam was in 1964
or 1965.....The NVA waited for the LCM to back off and raise its ramp
then sprung a ambush. The Coxsun ran the boat back in to save the
remaining Marines, dropped the ramp and several sailors were killed by
enemy fire. Told you I was too young for Korea but I was there to start
and end a decade in Vietnam, all you have is Hollywood and books. The
Recon in this particular BSU were carrying a couple of M1 rifles to
launch rifle grenades and the rest had M3A3's except one BAR man, the
A3 variant of the M3 series was know as a grease gun in WWII & Korea.
The M3A1 was the original designation of the Thompson. Boot fucking
idiot. I knew you were a boot years ago when you didn't understand what
the old weapons designations were, for instance the 03/06....First
number indicated year model second was always caliber on rifles
before the M1 Grand came along and my Navy & old breed Marines kept to
the old ways. ;-/
the unknown flailer
Once it was on the police blotter back in the 1930's and 40's and a
reporter on the police beat picked it up, their wasn't enough money in
Hollywood to shut down freedom of press. And right of public to
know....Why you think so many Hollywood deviates hied to Mexico to
practice deviant behaviour? North Americans were really conservative
back then. This should be a warning to you, the USPA is not going to be
able to protect you if you get caught sucking whang in the U.S. Jerry.
0~;)P
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 21 Dec 2006 22:05:03 -0800, "the unknown flailer"
>> <thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>> >#1 Gilbert Roland was a Queer but at least he was Butch.
>> >#2 Fatty Arbuckle? A woman's death was involved.
>> >#3 The little tramp? Statutory rape
>> >You expect the last two to go unreported? American Justice must
>> >prevail. Damn makes me want to hang someone....I'm going to grow up to
>> >be a bloodthirsty old bastard some day!
>>
>> Shit, Jinnie - you were the one who said the studios protected their
>> stars, no scandal sheets, et al...but go ahead and discount those
>> examples - what about the other ones I listed - you know - the other
>> ones that did make those non-existant scandal sheets demonstrating
>> where the studios perhaps did ~not~ always protect their stars -
>> Mitchell, Mostel, Harlow, Bergman...
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Once it was on the police blotter back in the 1930's and 40's and a
>reporter on the police beat picked it up, their wasn't enough money in
>Hollywood to shut down freedom of press. And right of public to
>know....Why you think so many Hollywood deviates hied to Mexico to
>practice deviant behaviour? North Americans were really conservative
>back then.
Which still does not deny the reality and it contradicts what you say.
Mostel - didn't break the law - scandal.
Harlow - didn't break the law - scandal.
Bergman - didn't break the law - scandal.
Mitchell - okay - he broke the law - we'll throw that little one out
since you're getting all anal about scandals - legal or illegal.
Still waiting on some proof there were no scandal sheets back then,
Jinnie.
>This should be a warning to you, the USPA is not going to be
>able to protect you if you get caught sucking whang in the U.S. Jerry.
I woulda joined the navy for that protection, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > You were not assigned to a unit in Viet Nam in 1961 shit bird.
> > > > > Merry one.
> > > >
> > > > six month deployment......BSU and whats this Jerrys saying about
> > > > packing your fudge?
> > >
> > >
> > > So tell me, what is a "BSU?"
> > >
> > > Merry Christmas
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Beach Survey Unit~
> >
> > its the way the Navy used to do things before Central Command you seem
> > experts in such things as Intelligence, interrogation and Language, a
> > few Force Recon....say less than 12....., a few UDT say a Platoons wort
> > and some hand picked boat crews. Send them via skulking Amphibious
> > means.....the main goal was not to attract attention. We stayed quite
> > a while because we couldn't catch any Chinese advisers and that was
> > part of the mission. The survey itself only took a few months but
> > beating the bushes for ChiComs seemed to go on forever. Later as a Co
> > Van I learned the Vietnamese and Chinese leaders were long time
> > enemy's.....I'm talking for century's and had to laugh at the early
> > days of flailing about looking for them down south. Scared the hell out
> > of Chinese traders and merchants who had become part of Vietnamese
> > society though. Our country can be quite dangerous when operating
> > without a clue....Thats why George Junior has always scared
>
>
> Navy History of "Beach Survey Unit".
>
> http://www.forcerecon.com/ Contacted the Force Recon Assoication, no
> one could place a marine on that type of team prior to 64'
> I have two choices in responding to this post. I can believe the
> Official History or I can believe Snuffy.
Better believe me because my files seem to be better than some third
rate Jar head Association.
My memory on dates is often rusty but luckily I pulled my copy of the
Bupers 601-5 to see where I was in 1960/61.
Most of 1960 and part of 1961 I was still in NAVPHIBSCHOOL, show
transfer to this particular unit in Aug 1961 so I went to my copy of
the Unit History and its deck logs. We practiced beach survey & Recon
operations off Pendleton till leaving for WESTPAC The unit history
doesn't tell a sweet story of the early Marine Recon....No wonder the
Association buries them haw haw haw. The actual unit survey was at the
end of 1961 because I reported aboard in August and then in January
1962 Unit History shows the USN & UDT to be the hero's on the exit out
of the mission area. HOOYAH. On the way back from the survey operation
we got caught in the outter skirts of a Typhoon and were diverted to
save 25 survivors and a ships cat off the SS Stanvac Sumatra which had
broken in two. The seas were rough so the Navy paddled across in RIB's
and evacuated what was left of crew and passengers. The MaryR's didn't
help because the storm had stirred up schools of jellyfish and a few
men of war and they were stinging the shit out of the off leg of every
paddler not to mention the last time they tried to hang with the USN or
UDT either one my logs show "USMC Reconnaissance team member operating
with UDT developed the Bends and U.S.S. Red fish rondo's the following
day and acted as decompression chamber. That was cool....the Navy put a
Corpsman in the lockout chamber with the Marine weakling then they went
to original depth till he was fully decompressed. Then we transferred
him via air after reaching the P.I. to the Oakland Navy Hospital ,The
BSU O.I.C said he lived but I noticed he never returned to the unit, at
least while I was there. Like I said no marines lost on our primary
mission. Only one UDT guy lost----Johnston-----body never recovered. I
remember two things about the Marine Recon, their weapons and
whining....After picking up 25 survivors coming off the Vietnam survey
we were pretty low on grub...Cookie was scrapping the bottom of the bag
for chow, before we reached the P.I. we were down to eating plain rice
having to feed all these extra people. Rice we bought on the local
market in Vietnam. It had these little round roaches in it, looked like
ticks. Hell cookie cooked them with the rice, throwed some lard in to
provide fat and that was chow. This Jar head setting beside me said
whats this as he picked out the dead roach's. "Protein" sez a old
1940's era salt squatting there with us. I had to fight to keep it down
but Goldamn did the Marines chunk their cookies then howl. Another
thing I remember about them, they were mostly short chunky fellows. I
was only about 6' 1" and they came up to my chin. I also remember
inserting them, seems to me only 4 or 5 of them would go in at any one
time....unless we were picking on one of them, then all the sorry
little M'fers showed up at one time....They had to lift each other up
or find something to stand on to get in my face though....You know I
was always right up front talking shit hahahahahahahaha 0~;)P Shudda
joined the Navy sissy......oh I forgot, you weren't smart enough to get
in.
the unknown flailer
>
> I woulda joined the navy for that protection, eh?
No, the modern Navy just has a don't ask, don't tell policy in effect
as far as I can tell. Get caught loping or kissing a mule other than
your own and the old Navy's law goes into effect. In the old Navy their
was no "don't have to tell on yourself protection" You were just
shunned by your shipmates then tortured by the USN until you confessed
if suspected of Anything and I mean A N Y T H I N G. Some donuts came
up missing from the wardroom pantry once. I had been on the working
part carrying them forward. All SN's on the work detail were put on
bread and water, then deprived of sleep and me? Being a mouthy sea
lawyer type I got beat with bar soap in a sock by the petty officers
until I confessed Then it was discovered, not only might the invoice
might have been wrong, a couple of USNR Ensigns were caught sneaking
more than their share of donuts. XO caught them red handed. Of course I
had already confessed so no apologies came forth from higher ups. A old
salt said, "just write it off as a learning experience." So I go's
"WHAT DID I LEARN?" "never confess even if your caught red handed, just
take the punishment---the truth will surface sooner or later!" Well I
did get donut's, a few of the Officers felt so bad about it they gave
me theirs so I guess it all worked out, Toughened me up and I never
beat a seaman, even a difficult one after becoming a Petty Officer.
Unless it was to restore order and those weren't beatings just one
punch, knock their lights out actions . So it made me a better sailor
overall I reckon....
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
the unknown flailer
> > the only people who know are the old guys still living. You mentioned a
> > dead Marine? No Marines were killed, the only loss was a combat swimmer
> > named Johnson or Johnston a name something like that....Nobody knows
> > what happened, he became separated from his swim buddy and we never
> > recovered the body. The first Marines I heard of being killed operating
> > off this particular High Speed Transport (APD) in Vietnam was in 1964
> > or 1965.....The NVA waited for the LCM to back off and raise its ramp
> > then sprung a ambush. The Coxsun ran the boat back in to save the
> > remaining Marines, dropped the ramp and several sailors were killed by
> > enemy fire. Told you I was too young for Korea but I was there to start
> > and end a decade in Vietnam, all you have is Hollywood and books. The
> > Recon in this particular BSU were carrying a couple of M1 rifles to
> >
>
> Nobody said anything about the CIA, Far as I'm concerned it was a
> > CINCPACFLT run operation, never heard the CIA mentioned. Read books all
> > you want.....That was the makeup of the unit, tasked for a dual purpose
> > mission, Beach Survey and Search for sign of ChiCom Advisers. The
> > Marines surveyed from top of beach line to 1K in and UDT 12 did the
> > actual beach surveys. The Army guys never went ashore. See that's the
> > difference between reading books and actually being on the scene. The
> > shame is these Associations don't know all of their history, Less than
>
>
> (CIA). The man who was liaison, between the two is being asked if he
> could recall anything of the nature that you have suggested taking
> place in 1961 using FR.
> The association (FR) has been polled and none of the members from that
> time frame remember hearing or participating in what you have
> described. That community is extremely small in numbers. Their
> knowledge of their own history is excellent.
Not as good as the Navy's apparently, if they don't know about the
first Survey, it means they were
not invited.....Probably boots like you.
>
> the rest had M3A3's except one BAR man, the
> > A3 variant of the M3 series was know as a grease gun in WWII & Korea.
>
> Another great history lesson on your part Jimmy. M3A3? The M3 was
> called and still is called a "grease gun", hence it's resemblance to
> one. The OSS used the grease gun and affixed a sound suppressor to it in
> WWII. Those weapons were used in Viet Nam and right thru Desert One in
> Iran. I carried an M3A1 in Viet Nam and I was very happy to convert to
> the M-16.
thought you claimed to be a pig toater
Good weapon in a bath room, other than that, it was a piece
> of junk Jimmy. When the government bought them (M3) in WWII, the
> acquisition price was $2.95.
They were stamped out, not machined as the Tompson was...The war effort
required high production output
> The Thompson Submachine gun was not originally designated the M3A1. It
> was designated M1A1.
Might be right about that, I can't find my Co Van manual. It has the
nomenclature and pictures of how to field strip whatever weapons we
might be issued
> the old weapons designations were, for instance the 03/06....First
> > number indicated year model second was always caliber on rifles
> > before the M1 Grand came along and my Navy & old breed Marines kept to
> > the old ways. ;-/
>
> How many times must you be corrected on the designation of the 1903
> Springfield Rifle? 03/06 was the cartridge that was being experiment
> with for use with the 1903 Springfield Rifle. It was dropped for the
> .30-06
> rifle cartridge. M1903, M1903 Mark 1, M1903A1, M1903A2, M1903A3,
> M1903A4 and the Model 1942 (Marine Corps modification). These weapons
> are obsolete (like Jimmy).
Well I'm just telling you what we called stuff. You were probably still
in middle school when I was lugging around and learning how to deal
with left over junk from WWI & WWII. Another thing I notice, you boots
are a hell of a lot more anal than we were. We weren't all enthralled
with the SPECKWAR shit....Just went where they told us and did what
they ordered. On armed away parties as a seaman, I always got stuck
with a M1 rifle, only Officers and Chiefs got to carry sub-machine guns
and the Navy being the Navy it was usually the old
Thompson's........Any old guy out of Korea or WWII would have felt
right at home on a armed Naval landing party......M1's, Thompson's,
Browning Auto or Winchester pump shotguns, BAR, 1919's and 60mm
mortars. We were still using the 1919's, and 60mm's as Co Vans in
1969.....the M1 carbines and rifles had been replaced by M16's and BAR
by the D model M60's. The old shotguns were gone we had modified
mossberg, pump action type which nobody wanted to carry because then
you had to carry a rifle besides and this one old 10 ga. Greener to
empty trouble makers in sampans out real quick like. The greener was an
unauthorized weapon but each field team had a stash of unauthorized
weapons, including enemy ones. Only Thompson's and Grease guns I saw
were up in Da Nang hanging around REMF desk commando necks. The USN did
experiments at China Lake and sent down word to use number 4 buck in
the new model 12 gauge shotguns and that's what we did. If I come
across the Little Creek manual each of us were issued during training
I'll check on the M3 & M1 sub machine gun variants and if you were
right I'll let you know, ain't taking your word on shit I'm afraid
because you are too too emotional. Tell those spies and Rambo fakers
you worship the Navy's got the poop on the 1961 recon & survey. I just
used my Bupers forms to jog memory about where I was at then went to
Logs and Histories of Specific Navy Units on the Internet to pull up
dates of operations etc.... And I'll be damned I wasn't that far off
the date of the R&S considering it was 46 years ago. They just don't
know what their looking for.......I do cuz I was there. Often you have
to look in some ships history or log because no Special Operations
command existed at the time. Units were attached to ships for composite
operations and Ships logged everything back in that day. Including any
attached commands operating and even things like Like meeting with the
Red Fish at sea to save a Marines life. Bunkers, stores, movies
exchanged with other ships at sea, captains masts you name it the Navy
logged it. They can even tell you where a wardroom ashtray went. I'm
kind of amazed with you and all this CIA shit, you and them other young
fuckers you network with must be exchanging Tom Clancy novels. I'm
sure the CIA was in the loop higher up because even CINCPACFLT is not
going to run unauthorized missions without going through the chain of
Command all the way up to the JCS & POTUS and his Executive branch to
get permission because POTUS appoints both the State Dept and CIA
directors......Weren't any spooks skulking around with us on that one.
Just 3 Army guys (1 major and two Master Sgt's,) a whole bunch of
typical sailors of the day from different communities within the Navy
all sea qualified and a few dwarf marines with seriously bad attitudes
and no sense of humor about being Jar heads or short people. Damn could
I work some of them into a frenzy. I asked one carryin a A3, "Hey Mac,
how come you got a short gun, cuz your'e a short person? Zoweeeee
hahahahahahahahaha. Took them a while to get used to some of us,
finally it occured to them we were all on the same beach unit ;)P
> Happy Holidays
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
Hell,when the navy was courting me to join it would have been Reagan's
Navy if I had decided to join that branch - I think the don't ask
don't tell stuff was during Clinton - I wasn't young enough for the
navy by then.
>Get caught loping or kissing a mule other than
>your own and the old Navy's law goes into effect.
All frigg'n to the rigg'n?
>In the old Navy their
>was no "don't have to tell on yourself protection" You were just
>shunned by your shipmates then tortured by the USN until you confessed
>if suspected of Anything and I mean A N Y T H I N G.
Kinda sounds like a no asking while no telling policy.
>Some donuts came
>up missing from the wardroom pantry once. I had been on the working
>part carrying them forward. All SN's on the work detail were put on
>bread and water, then deprived of sleep and me? Being a mouthy sea
>lawyer type I got beat with bar soap in a sock by the petty officers
>until I confessed
So there was no asking and yet you did some telling.
>Then it was discovered, not only might the invoice
>might have been wrong, a couple of USNR Ensigns were caught sneaking
>more than their share of donuts. XO caught them red handed.
This sounds like a code for something.
>Of course I
>had already confessed so no apologies came forth from higher ups.
They never asked and still you told.
>A old
>salt said, "just write it off as a learning experience." So I go's
>"WHAT DID I LEARN?" "never confess even if your caught red handed, just
>take the punishment---the truth will surface sooner or later!"
See? There you go asking and he told you not to tell. He could see
the way of the future, it seems.
>Well I
>did get donut's, a few of the Officers felt so bad about it they gave
>me theirs so I guess it all worked out,
This has ~got~ to be some secret navy code. So, what about that no
scandal sheets in Hollywood back in the day and stars being protected
by the studios? No comment? None yet.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > You were not assigned to a unit in Viet Nam in 1961 shit bird.
> > > > > > > > Merry one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > six month deployment......BSU and whats this Jerrys saying about
> > > > > > > packing your fudge?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So tell me, what is a "BSU?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Merry Christmas
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Beach Survey Unit~
> > > > http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/korspops-1.htm#ethe hell Official US
> > > > Navy History of "Beach Survey Unit".
I pulled that up, it says Korean War, told you I was
to young for the Korean war, the information on the BSU of that era is
generic, no specific operation details. (I give details on our
operation) Those APD's mentioned had been mothballed and or scrapped or
sold to foreign countys by late 1961 probably....Only two I knew of
operating were the USS Cook APD-130 and she was scrapped in 1970. The
other was the Weiss APD-135 I believe. So you have old generic
information on what BSU's from the Korean war, did, so what? My BSU was
formed up damn near 20 years later to gather real time intelligence for
the coming conflict in Indo China. What does that have to do with
Korea? You want to be right so bad your skipping my entire area and
dredging up Korea or jumping forward to this modern special operations
hooey fooy that goes on now. We were like the Korean police action
BSU's in only two ways I can see.......APD's were our main platforms
and we were still using the old WWII style Weapons used in Korea.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.forcerecon.com/ Contacted the Force Recon Assoication, no
> > > > one could place a marine on that type of team prior to 64'
I looked at their page also.....they only show operations from 1962 on.
We finished the R&S in Vietnam by years end of 1961 because logs &
Unit history's show in January 1962 we were returning to P.I. to hook
up with the main Amphibious squadron to survey for them on their
practice Marine assaults on islands. Man I give you specific dates and
you drag up Marine Associations and Internet shit that don't even
record back that far. Even the Unit history's I checked are pretty
white washed. It always sez UDT & Marine Recon, never specific UDT
numbers or Recon unit by number or name. Except I've noticed here
lately they always go like UDT-SEAL teams. Man the SEALS weren't even
around in 1961. I happen to know the team was UDT-12 though even though
their swim shorts and personal gear was stamped UDT 11 Oscar and
November. 11 had gotten so big and unwieldy they has split it and
formed up 12 with quite a few from 11. How do I know details?
Because I'm a very old man and I was there. Yep you ain't got shit
chuck, just a belief you can't prove because
#1 you don't know where to look
#2 you weren't there.
~Just going to have to take my word sweaty~
because I'm reading unit and ships history's based on their bridge
logs now, this ain't sea stories its a fact. DRATTS
WISH I WOULDA SAID I WAS IN THE MARINES NOW! That would really drive
your young ass crazy...but I don't outright lie, just tell sea storys
heh heh
> > > > Contacted CIA to ask if any Marines were Temporary Attached Duty (TAD)
> > > > to the CIA OPCON for Beach Survey Unit, RVN 1960-1964.
> > Happy Holidays
oh yeah the CIA is going to find that info for you right away dummy,
right after they notify the F.B.I to find out if you are a terrorist.
And why did you ask them?
Why not call the Commandant and bother him? Go like "uh uh sir, a
sailor is picking on me can you look up Recon attachments to Navy Units
as far back as 1961?" That a sailor is picking on you will get more
action from any Marine General than a FOIA filed with the CIA. HAW HAW
HAW you crack me up kid ')P
the unknown flailer
sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >In the old Navy their
> >was no "don't have to tell on yourself protection" You were just
> >shunned by your shipmates then tortured by the USN until you confessed
> >if suspected of Anything and I mean A N Y T H I N G.
>
> Kinda sounds like a no asking while no telling policy.
No that policy wasn't around back then, the old rocks and shoals
justice system had been replaced by the UCMJ the decade I went in and
it was a lot better but they still had the right to ask and petty
officers still beat the shit out of seamen till they talked like under
the old rocks & shoals justice system. You just had more rights under
the UCMJ if you lived to reach court Marshall level. The Navy of the
time was bound in traditions and slow to change.
You have to wait for a whole generation of Officers and Senior petty
officers to leave the service before you can change some things. These
new kids don't know how nice they have it. They should have been in the
old Navy. (whoaaaaa did I hear that many a time)
> >Some donuts came
> >up missing from the wardroom pantry once. I had been on the working
> >part carrying them forward. All SN's on the work detail were put on
> >bread and water, then deprived of sleep and me? Being a mouthy sea
> >lawyer type I got beat with bar soap in a sock by the petty officers
> >until I confessed
>
> So there was no asking and yet you did some telling.
Its like being on a chain gang, food rationed down to bread and
water, no place to go, let out to work under guard.....goons beating
the shit out of you. Shit you would admit to killing your mother if
thats what they wanted to know.
>
>
> >Then it was discovered, not only might the invoice
> >might have been wrong, a couple of USNR Ensigns were caught sneaking
> >more than their share of donuts. XO caught them red handed.
>
> This sounds like a code for something.
Nope it was glazed donuts, the Wardroom mess bought their food, the
officers were on COLA. Ours came through the Navy Supply system in
bulk. Ships cook made us donuts once in a while if he had the time and
supplys but they were called sinkers, no glaze, no iceing and heavy,
drop one on the deck and it bounced, drop one in a bucket of water and
it sunk out of sight.
> >Of course I
> >had already confessed so no apologies came forth from higher ups.
>
> They never asked and still you told.
No, I was told I was guilty....."NOW CONFESS, GIVE THE WARDROOM MESS
FUND SUCH & SUCH AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE WILL FORGET THIS, MAKE IT EASY
ON YOURSELF!"
> >A old salt said, "just write it off as a learning experience." So I go's
> >"WHAT DID I LEARN?" "never confess even if your caught red handed, just
> >take the punishment---the truth will surface sooner or later!"
>
> See? There you go asking and he told you not to tell. He could see
> the way of the future, it seems.
After the fact, he wasn't a seaman, he was a P.O. 2 if I remember
correctly
> >Well I did get donut's, a few of the Officers felt so bad about it they gave
> >me theirs so I guess it all worked out,
>
> This has ~got~ to be some secret navy code.
No, a donut is a donut, unless you montrose types have infiltrated the
Navy and changed the meaning
So, what about that no
> scandal sheets in Hollywood back in the day and stars being protected
> by the studios? No comment? None yet.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Yeah, they managed and protected them....Unfortunatly I was no star,
just a Seaman at the time and it was real life in the Navy of the time,
not some hollywood version of a more noble Navy. Winning WWII. You
fricking draft dodger ;)P
the unknown flailer
> > heh heh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > Contacted CIA to ask if any Marines were Temporary Attached Duty (TAD)
> > > > > > to the CIA OPCON for Beach Survey Unit, RVN 1960-1964.
> > > > Happy Holidays
> >
> > oh yeah the CIA is going to find that info for you right away dummy,
> > right after they notify the F.B.I to find out if you are a terrorist.
> > And why did you ask them?
> > Why not call the Commandant and bother him? Go like "uh uh sir, a
> > sailor is picking on me can you look up Recon attachments to Navy Units
> > as far back as 1961?" That a sailor is picking on you will get more
> > action from any Marine General than a FOIA filed with the CIA. HAW HAW
> > HAW you crack me up kid ')P
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>Why not call the Commandant and bother him? Go like "uh uh sir, a
> sailor is picking on me can you look up Recon attachments to Navy Units
>
> as far back as 1961?" That a sailor is picking on you will get more
> action from any Marine General than a FOIA filed with the CIA. HAW HAW
> HAW you crack me up kid ')P<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> believe that you think that you're the Commandant of something. The
> Lord works in mysterious ways Jimmy my boy. You just have to believe
> and not quit.
>
> Happy Holidays
Well the current Commandant had to have entered the service after I
did, perhaps even after I had done 10 or 11 years already because I've
met Master Chiefs who went in after I got out climbed to E-9 done 25 or
so and retired....So when you call him to complain about me tell him I
said he was a damn boot HAW HAW HAW.....Hummm I'll have to look his Bio
up and see who it is and just how big a boot he is. Thanks for
reminding me I'm seriously old....Now run along and whine to the
Commandant.....Tell him I'd run the USMC slightly different. Like put
them back under the Dept. of the Navy again where sailors would have
more of a chance to insert good influence and square them away. See
their out there tagging along with the Army now. That can't be good you
know their going to get all the shit jobs, then one day they wake up
and their just another part of the U.S. Army. tsk tsk tsk. You are a
boot, Jimbo is a bigger boot, the commandant? Dunno but Officers don't
like being called boots-----I know that for a fact, called a Marine
Captain a boot back around 2000. I had already called him a jar head
when he was going through the breakfast line that morning....you know
pulled it from deep down like a D.I. and boomed out JAR HEAD in a
froggy voice Man he whipped around so fast trying to see who did it his
cover like to came off....by that time I had a mouth full of Cinnamon
roll and was looking around at the other people in surprise, these army
officers setting around threw their hands up and give him that it's not
us look and nodded towards me, later at Victory pond I nailed him
again. so he came over to straighten me out hahahahaha.
I WENT TO THE NAVAL ACADEMY NROTC, OCS (or something can't remember,
he was so pissed, his voice was cracking) NOT BOOTCAMP DAMMIT!
did you wear boots Mr?
WHAT?
boots, did you ever wear boots in training? I see you have a pair on
now.
WELL OF COURSE, YOU KNOW I DID, I'M A OFFICER IN THE USMC!
~there it is, always having to think for the marines~ 0~;)
the unknown flailer
> very simple stuff. When you use things and do things you don't forget
> how to or what they are called. That's called professionalism and you
> don't exhibit any.
didn't say you were wrong just indicating your assumptions might be
wrong because you want to be right so bad.....I have to find and look
at my Co Van training manual from Little Creek on weapons nomenclature
> The CIA's use of US Military Personnel is well documented. They have an
> excellent historical section on the Indo China War.
Yeah after Vietnam heated up in 1965 they had case officers running
around every where in Vietnam disguised as USAID representatives, prior
to that they piddled around with Air America operations and war lords
in another close by country. And generally left the Navy and its
Advisory arm alone until starting up the Phoenix program, we told them
to take a flying leap and they went off and recruited SEALS. I noticed
they left the Army Special Forces holding the bag on that throwing
prisoners from helicopters issue that popped up.
You are not an
> official US Navy ships log book nor do you have access to the one's
> that you have stated participated in your "Beach Survey." The Official
> Record is the only acceptable for of verification of those events. In
> other words, your prior discrepancy's in the production of factual
> based material if so vast, your word is not acceptable. You have proven
> yourself to be a liar.
>
> Happy Holidays
I don't have the log but I know where they are in the form of
historical unit records. When any Navy Association wants a historical
record written, first its researched by people digging through the
archives for Navy logs then writing the history from there and oh yeah
talking to any old farts left alive who can give color to the rather
monotonous logs that often just say "steaming as before." or still at
anchor at such and such location, boats launched on prior watch have
returned & of course every log entry had a time, usually in GMT. Did
you write this entry? Yeah I was a watch Petty Officer and it looks
like my handwriting but I was also a BSU coxsun so I may have been away
at the time. I remember once we drug anchor while I was on bridge watch
and I had to run down....man a LCT and push her amidships fighting to
hold her off until enough steam was gotten up to up anchor and move
further out. So what was I that day? Supposedly my day off from beach
operations. Can you still remember the incident? Oh Hell yeah, catch
the clap anyplace in the world, drag anchor off a hostile coast and
almost run aground or a shipmate dies on a cruise and you don't forget.
That's traumatic stuff in the Navy! Like that ain't bad enough I was
attached BSU and had to stand watch on the host vessel. Complaining did
no good because they always said "Hell we are short handed and youre
still in the Navy aren't you? DAMN can't beat the system 0~;->
the unknown flailer
> believe that you think that you're the Commandant of something. The
> Lord works in mysterious ways Jimmy my boy. You just have to believe
> and not quit.
>
> Happy Holidays
Oh I believe.
I believe alright. I believe it must be terrible to be a failed Marine
with a USPA sized ego
then have to deal with a old salt who reveals details beyond the books
you read trying
to be something you weren't (Force Recon) and win a lost war in your
mind. tsk tsk tsk
~cut back on the booze then take your schizophrenia medication as
prescribed~
bozo
> the old weapons designations were, for instance the 03/06....First
> > number indicated year model second was always caliber on rifles
> > before the M1 Grand came along and my Navy & old breed Marines kept to
> > the old ways. ;-/
>
> Springfield Rifle? 03/06 was the cartridge that was being experiment
> with for use with the 1903 Springfield Rifle. It was dropped for the
> .30-06
> rifle cartridge. M1903, M1903 Mark 1, M1903A1, M1903A2, M1903A3,
> M1903A4 and the Model 1942 (Marine Corps modification). These weapons
> delineated M1918, which was fitted with a "Pedersen Device" which
> converted the M1903 S R to a semiautomatic magazine fed weapon.
Chuck.....Ive called that dumbass so many times on weapons its getting
ridiculous. Get him to tell you about the SINGER M-1 Garand he swears
he had. Although SINGER NEVER, EVER made an M-1 Garand . Snuffy the
throatslasher had one.
Snuff tell us a Xmas seastory. How 'bout one where ya took toys to
the little indig children or something.
the unknown flailer
cgilb...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >>> variants and if you were
> > > right I'll let you know, ain't taking your word on shit I'm afraid <<<
> > >
> > > Very kind of you to tell me if I'm wrong. Fact is, you were wrong about
> > > very simple stuff. When you use things and do things you don't forget
> > > how to or what they are called. That's called professionalism and you
> > > don't exhibit any.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > excellent historical section on the Indo China War.
> >
> > case officers running around every where in Vietnam disguised as USAID representatives, >>prior to that they piddled around with Air America operations and war lords
> > in another close by country. And generally left the Navy and its
> > wrong because you want to be right so bad.....I have to find and look
> > at my Co Van training manual from Little Creek on weapons nomenclature>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> and search, you'll come up with the answers or look in Smith & Smith
> Small Arms of the World or Jane's Infantry Weapons. If you're going to
> go some place and show someone how to use something or do something,
> you look awful stupid identifying things as what-a-ma-call-it's. Of
> course, I wasn't a Co Van, so I don't know how much one could actually
> get away with not knowing:)
>
> Happy Holidays
No you weren't, didn't have calm enough nerves to live like that did
you. Besides
the USMC mostly advised the ROK in my part of Vietnam and they didn't
use
PFC's to do it. Staff Sgt or above was all I saw up at the main
Advisor compound in Hoi An.
Lets see what did PFC mean?
~Poor fucking crybaby?~
Yuk Yuk Yuk...a little Navy humor always helps marines with dilemmas.
0~;->
the unknown flailer
Nope no toys, we didn't celebrate Christmas preferring to honor their
Holidays
and that M1 came right out of cosmoline, it was in the VNN inventory, I
brought it back
as a souvenir. When it started Jamming on me I took it to a civilian
gunsmith,
he looked at the bolt which clearly had Singer stamped on it and said
wow! Then told
me the problem was reloaded ammo. The necks had been resized just
enough to
cause jams coming off the stripper clip. "Do you want to sell this?" he
asked as
he drooled. I can't help it if you book readers & hobbyist have no
experience with
real on the scene life. Those USPA ego's don't seem to help much
either. Listen up.
~I only work with one boot at a time~
and Chucks in the box