I'm still profiling you boy & it don't look good!
the unknown flailer
video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
pie picture of you...Why compete for a nationals
video slot when 4-hard working RW guys will get you a medal just for
lurking. My file on you grows weekly Jerry girl, shit I should work
for home land defense as a profiler. Weak white boy desires
glory...Too lazy to compete for it....attachs himself to truly
talented skydivers. Thats defined as being a "Ingrate" girly boy! Give
me 75 push ups for wearing those bootee's <smirk>
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>The only reason I can come up with as to why you don't want the pool
>video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
>pie picture of you.
Of course this "only reason" "fits" that "picture" you've imagined -
suppsitional BS to fit the rhetorical BS - instead of facts to go on
because you live your life, your little act in this newsgroup, with a
dearth of facts. The reality is, I have never said that I "don't want
the pool video system." All I explained was FACT in that the pool
video system has not been used at the USPA Nationals in any official
capacity since 1999, and explained the ACTUAL reasoning why it was
abandoned in any offcial capacity back then. Now, explain how a pool
system presents some sort of "competition" which one would somehow be
"afraid" of. Especially since in a pool scenario, camerafliers get
assigned to teams as a matter of course whereas in a team cameraflier
circumstance, the cameraflier is a part of the team usually from the
get go and further, the last time there was an official pool at
Nationals, some teams had their own cameraflyer - I was one - and
other teams utilized the official pool - I was a part of that, too. I
was in another camera pool at a Collegiates one year and shot multiple
teams and just like the Nationals in 1999, some teams had their own
cameraflier and others didn't and the teams with their own
camerafliers had much more consistant video than the teams which were
utilizing the pool. The clear reason was some camera fliers couldn't
anticipate exits with teams they'd never shot before. As for
"competititon" and your lame BS about being "afraid" or some such,
yeah right <sarcasm, dummy> like I (or anyone who isn't a total
dipstick) don't realize that if say there was an official pool at
Nationals again, the upshot would mean I would just have more
opportunity to make jumps - like I did at Sebastian in 1999. Ten jump
meet and I made 30. Nowadays, ten jump meet means ten jumps, period.
Yeah, <sarcasm, dummy> I "don't want" the pool system because I would
have the option to make more jumps over a defibned period of time.
Dumbass.
>..Why compete for a nationals
>video slot when 4-hard working RW guys will get you a medal just for
>lurking.
Shit, dumbass - you can call it whatever but when all is said an done
- you couldn't do it but there's there's no "cometing for a nationals
video slot" unless a team has a tryout or something. Every team I've
ever been on it was just someone asking me if I wanted to be on the
team that year or in the case of pool video, if I was ready to take
the next available team. Plus a few times where a friend had a camera
break or was injured and I took over their slot to help their team out
- not allowed from one team to another in the same competition btw."
As for the "lurking" line of crap, if you knew anything about
cameraflying, which you don't, you'd kniow there's a lot more to it
than simply lurking. Exits come off differently, long, wide, short,
deep or floatt, steep or flat. Formations build to shapes long, wide,
or compact, fallrate can change in an instant, blocks swing around,
surfing in and out of the burble and sub-burbles, a completed grip can
be obscured so you gotta fly an angle where all the grips can be seen
and if the judge doesn't see it on the video, it didn't happen - tough
shit. I know how this shit works, dumbass - you don't.
>My file on you grows weekly Jerry girl, shit I should work
>for home land defense as a profiler.
heheheh - you are so fucking owned.
>Weak white boy desires
>glory...Too lazy to compete for it....attachs himself to truly
>talented skydivers. Thats defined as being a "Ingrate" girly boy! Give
>me 75 push ups for wearing those bootee's
Shit, dumbass - one doesn't need a file on you as it's easy to
remember and obvious as hell - liar, hypocrite, and pathetic, little
troll. 75 pushups right back atcha for being so owned as to keep a
"file" on the one who takes your lame lines of crap and throws it back
in your face. Dumbass.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:02 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> >The only reason I can come up with as to why you don't want the pool
> >video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
> >pie picture of you.
>
> Of course this "only reason" "fits" that "picture" you've imagined -
> suppsitional BS to fit the rhetorical BS
>> cameraflier and others didn't and the teams with their own
>> camerafliers had much more consistant video than the teams which were
>> utilizing the pool. The clear reason was some camera fliers couldn't
>> anticipate exits with teams they'd never shot before.
A pre qualification trials for video geeks would solve some of that.
The ones that can't cut it? Put them down the road, then teams
draw out of a hat for the remaining geeks. I think that would not
only make it fair but more interesting and like real life. You take
the hand dealt you and play it like a true sport, WTF you
modern kids want ice cream in your beer too? I am appalled
yawl have to have things just so so to feel you can win.
Get in there and mix it up, over coming minor difficulties
and fears generally make one better---Skydiving in real
life around DZ's you rarely get things to suit you, to fill
the formation and even a load you often end up with different
levels of skill---That makes it harder sure but more interesting.
Mixing it up with pool video might cause average skydivers
to feel some empathy for the competitors and there by
closer---If you weren't afraid you would see this ;)P
> >..Why compete for a nationals
> >video slot when 4-hard working RW guys will get you a medal just for
> >lurking.
>
> Shit, dumbass - you can call it whatever but when all is said an done
> - you couldn't do it but there's there's no "cometing for a nationals
> video slot" unless a team has a tryout or something. Every team I've
> ever been on it was just someone asking me if I wanted to be on the
> team that year or in the case of pool video, if I was ready to take
> the next available team. Plus a few times where a friend had a camera
> break or was injured and I took over their slot to help their team out
> - not allowed from one team to another in the same competition btw."
> As for the "lurking" line of crap, if you knew anything about
> cameraflying, which you don't, you'd kniow there's a lot more to it
> than simply lurking. Exits come off differently, long, wide, short,
> deep or floatt, steep or flat.
Sounds like some 4-ways need to work on tightening it up and staying
consistent, quit depending on the cameraman so much
...But you are right, as far as I'm concerned a drunk monkey
could shoot video...The better videos I saw back in the 90's? The
cameraman's
artistic eye for framing shots made him or her above average IMHO.
the thinker 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
>
> >The only reason I can come up with as to why you don't want the pool
> >video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
> >pie picture of you.
>
> >..Why compete for a nationals
> >video slot when 4-hard working RW guys will get you a medal just for
> >lurking.
>
> Shit, dumbass - you can call it whatever but when all is said an done
> - you couldn't do it but there's there's no "cometing for a nationals
> video slot" unless a team has a tryout or something.
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
If you can't compete under adverse conditions & high odds and if not
win-at least place, you may not be as good as you think you
are....Perhaps the USPA can send pacifiers down for you cry baby's to
suck on because life not to mention gravity isn't fair or perhaps you
think you shouldn't have to compete unless its made easy and the odds
are stacked in your favor? What a crock of shit!
the unknown flailer
>
> >The only reason I can come up with as to why you don't want the pool
> >video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
> >pie picture of you.
>
> Of course this "only reason" "fits" that "picture" you've imagined -
> suppsitional BS to fit the rhetorical BS - instead of facts to go on
> because you live your life, your little act in this newsgroup, with a
> dearth of facts. The reality is, I have never said that I "don't want
> the pool video system."
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Ah Ha crayfishing like the spoiled little brat you are, you remind me
of a rich kid I knew in Big Springs TX....We were
playing sandlot baseball, he owned the bat and wanted to pitch....We
drew names for that so her got mad and took his bat home. We batted
with a two by four---He came back and said his daddy was going to buy
the lot and kick us off,
we kept on playing...Your like that kid Jerry, if you can't have it
your way---You want to pitch a snit fit and take your camera helmet
home...Hey go for it brat---The jumping & competition will go on
regardless because Video geeks
are a dime a dozen...I'm just saying we should keep it honest and make
them work out of a pool drawing them from a hat
Don't worry, be happy ;-)
the unknown flailer
>
> >The only reason I can come up with as to why you don't want the pool
> >video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
> >pie picture of you.
>
>>>>>>>>Snip a buncha bootee boy yowling<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
down
down
down
almost there
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Do you have to write such long retorts, perhaps a lolly pop would make
it all better? ;-)
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Dec 2, 11:19�pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:02 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>>
>> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >The only reason I can come up with as to why you don't want the pool
>> >video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
>> >pie picture of you.
>>
>> Of course this "only reason" "fits" that "picture" you've imagined -
>> suppsitional BS to fit the rhetorical BS
>Nationals in 1999, some teams had their own
>>> cameraflier and others didn't and the teams with their own
>>> camerafliers had much more consistant video than the teams which were
>>> utilizing the pool. �The clear reason was some camera fliers couldn't
>>> anticipate exits with teams they'd never shot before. �
>
>A pre qualification trials for video geeks would solve some of that.
No, it solves NONE of that. You don't know shit. When last there WAS
a pool at Nationals there WAS "prequalification trials. Prospective
pool camerafliers were REQUIRED to submit video of dives they shot to
the pool video organizers months beforehand- and not just one dive,
but TEN - with ten DIFFERENT formations exitted of the class where
they were competing. And it solved NONE "of that" because it all
comes down to being able to anticipate and adjust and jumpers who were
FAMILIAR with a group - perhaps the team they actually TRAINED WITH -
were a lot more capable than jumpers who had NOT trained with and were
UNFAMILIAR with the group they were shooting - such as it was with a
pool cameraflier shooting a team he had never jumped with until that
Nationals. That, along with the growing number of teams at that time
which trained with their own, dedicated cameraflier - such at the
Knights, Airspeed, Space Center FX, Deland Genesis, as well as the
team I was on, were significant in the decision to no longer provide
an official pool of camerafliers at their Nationals after 1999.
>The ones that can't cut it? Put them down the road, then teams
>draw out of a hat for the remaining geeks.
So, how do you determine who can cut it or not given the "it" which
must be "cut" is the ability to both anticipate and adjust what a
totally UNFAMILIAR group of skydivers are doing from exit, on down?
You, for purely rhetorical bullshit reasons, would prefer the
competition have a dice roll as a potentially major contributing
factor of determination. Much more efficient and the playing field is
eminently more even if teams determine who their cameraflier is when
they are training, as opposed to learning at the meet itself where the
pool cameraflyer is having to learn their nuances during the meet -
the worst possible time to work things out. You would leave the
number of points flown by a team and judged completed by the judges to
a dice roll with a pool cameraflier unfamiliar with how they fly,
rather than what boils down to the best objective measure - a team
made up of skydivers, all familiar with each other's nuances -
including a cameraflyer who knows for example how steep or shallow
that team is going to exit that 12 or that E or how the 13 or18 drops
and spreads on the hill with that specific team. You're not thinking
it through, again.
> I think that would not
>only make it fair but more interesting and like real life.
You're not thinking it through. "More intersting?" The objective
measure of formations completed is interesting enough and introducing
circumstance which would skew that measure is not "real life" but
would result in an unrealistic measure. A team which might have
averaged X number of points on their dives for instance gets scored
less because their pool cameraflier missed the exit or didn't keep
consistant fallrate and got too far away or didint' slide and tilt his
head to keep all the grips in frame or crashed into them because he
didn't expect the burble to sweep around while another team which also
does X number of points is judged as flying that because they didn't
get that guy who couldn't anticipate and keep ahead of the curve.
Yeah, it'd be "interesting" - interesting in terms of teams vowing to
bring their own cameraflier who they could depend on instead of a
wildcard thrust upon them. As for "real life," - in real life the
pitfalls of teams not being scored what they flew - because if it
wasn't in the frame, it didn't happen - due to their cameraflier being
unfamiliar with the nuances on how they flew was abundantly clear by
1999. Before then, cameraflyers showing up at Nationals solely to be
in the pool was the norm because the discipline was still somewhat new
and many teams weren't able to have a dedicated camerflier through
training. In real life, by 1999 teams were already transitioning to
having their own, dedicated cameraflier while those who hadn't made
that transition and relying on USPA to stock a pool were left with
hoping they got someone decent enough to keep all the grips in frame
from the start so what they flew could be judged objectively. In real
life USPA realized that teams having their own team camera flyer -
such as the Knights and Airspeed and Space Center and Deland, among
others - eliminated this arbitrary dice roll which was at its heart
antithetical to the prospect of an objective assessment of completed
points, given that in real life, a cameraflier unfamiliar with the
group he is shooting is less likely to cleanly and accurately document
what was flown from top to bottom.
>You take
>the hand dealt you and play it like a true sport, WTF you
>modern kids want ice cream in your beer too?
What a coincidence - in real life today the "hand dealt" is one where
a team gets to determine who is on their team and who flies which slot
and they have absolute choice in the matter. Every team can make
whichever choice is best for them. No longer, for ten years now, does
a team which has been training for months have to face an outcome of a
less than objective assessment on the grips they completed because of
an abitrary decision made by someone else assigned to them a
cameraflier who was not familiar with how they flew and was not able
to anticipate and adjust. That is real life, dumbass, - not how you
think things "should be" - unless you're willing to make these
changes you'd like happen (as if, ha!), so do yourself a favor and
accept it like a "true sport" (as if, ha!)
>I am appalled
>yawl have to have things just so so to feel you can win.
It's trasnparent that this issue is purely and only just another and
the latest in a long line of your ponderous intellectual dishonesty -
you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You were in one
meet and made one jump in that one meet - ever. It was a scrambles
throwtogether which by the nature of it being a scrambles predicated a
camera pool. That you had a pool camera flyer on your one, single,
and only competition jump, given your nowhere but inwards facing view,
means everyone must have a pool camera flyer for it to be legitimate.
You've never flown at the USPA Nationals, much less even been to the
USPA Nationals, don't fly a camera, have never flown a camera, and
haven't a single skydive in OVER TEN YEARS and yet you just know
<sarcasm, dummy> how things should be. That's real life.
>Get in there and mix it up, over coming minor difficulties
>and fears generally make one better---Skydiving in real
>life around DZ's you rarely get things to suit you, to fill
>the formation and even a load you often end up with different
>levels of skill---That makes it harder sure but more interesting.
>Mixing it up with pool video might cause average skydivers
>to feel some empathy for the competitors and there by
>closer---If you weren't afraid you would see this
Cut the crap, dumbass. How does a team overcome a point loss due to
sa cameraflier being unfamiliar with how they fly and why should they
have to? Simple - they don't have to - fix the potential problem
before it happens (you wouldn't know about that) and train with
someone they are familiar with or at minimum jump with someone they
know can capture an accurate record of their skydive. This is called
thinking things through - but you wouldn't know about that, either.
The Nationals are whole other world, Jinnie - one that you do not have
experience with - not a bit - nada. You are ignorant to its realities
- among many other things. The Nationals isn't about purposefully
throwing in arbitrary wildcards and dicerolls to skew results - it's
skydiving - there's enough of those in the real world without
arbitrarily and purposefully introducing more - it's simply just going
up and doing the best one can, taking the test, and the enjoyment of
competition and if you haven't competed at the a Nationals against the
competititon there, and you haven't, you don't know what the hell
you're talking about when it comes to competition. In your stupid and
intellectually dishonest world, competition should be about finding a
way to "cause average skydivers to feel some empathy for the
competitors and there by closer" - do you even bother to read what you
peck out on that keyboard, dumbass? That's not as stupid as your dumb
idea about camerafliers somehow being able to "film out a missed grip"
but it's close, moron, and if you weren't afraid of accepting that
skydiving has left you behind - because you were unable, lazy, and too
intellectually dishonest to keep up, not a single jump in over ten
years now, you wouldn't be trying to push such an intellectually
dishonest line of crap.
>> >..Why compete for a nationals
>> >video slot when 4-hard working RW guys will get you a medal just for
>> >lurking.
>>
>> Shit, dumbass - you can call it whatever but when all is said an done
>> - you couldn't do it but there's there's no "cometing for a nationals
>> video slot" unless a team has a tryout or something. �Every team I've
>> ever been on it was just someone asking me if I wanted to be on the
>> team that year or in the case of pool video, if I was ready to take
>> the next available team. �Plus a few times where a friend had a camera
>> break or was injured and I took over their slot to help their team out
>> - not allowed from one team to another in the same competition btw."
>> As for the "lurking" line of crap, if you knew anything about
>> cameraflying, which you don't, you'd kniow there's a lot more to it
>> than simply lurking. �Exits come off differently, long, wide, short,
>> deep or floatt, steep or flat. �
>
>Sounds like some 4-ways need to work on tightening it up and staying
>consistent, quit depending on the cameraman so much
That's because the sound registering up in there is heavily muted by
your fat head being crammed deep up your fat ass. Tighten up what,
moron? Some formations are better launched loose, especially depending
on the block or the next point or even the makeup of the team. A team
can be consistent as can be but it won't change a thing if the
cameraflier is unfamiliar with their nuances and more likely to miss a
point- as a pool camerflier certainly would be. You don't know what
you're talking about, dumbass. A cameraflier can't make a team fly
better, tighter, or more consistent except over the long term by
reviewing and learning from what the cameraflier shiot - such as a
team cameraflier. A cameraflier can't help a team score more points
than the team actually flew but can only give them an opportunity to
have all the points they flew objectively judged. The team depends on
the cameraflier to provide useful video for training and video whiich
is as easy as possible for the judges to judge. A cameraflier
experienced with a team's nuances and habits is better prepared to
anticipate and adjust for the unplanned and unexpected than a pool
camerflier. You're dead wrong, dumbass, and your intellectual
dishonesty or just plain stupidity is stunning.
>...But you are right, as far as I'm concerned a drunk monkey
>could shoot video.
Which goes a long way validating the conclusion that this isn't about
pool vs. dedicated camerafliers for you but simply another exercise in
self-serving rhetorical BS. A "drunk monkey" could do a solo jump
like you used to do on an all too regular basis but "shoot video?" As
in all the things one has to do to "shoot video" - if it is to be just
perhaps useable? Suffice to say it was and is far beyond your
ability.
>..The better videos I saw back in the 90's? The
>cameraman's
> artistic eye for framing shots made him or her above average IMHO.
>the thinker
There is that and it takes an eye and practice and luck. That said,
in competition the "better videos" simply make it as easy as possible
for the judges to see all the grips. Period. There's room for art
but not at the cost of a grip in the first 35 or 50 seconds. Btw,
calling yourself "the thinker" doesn't make you one and given the
ridiculous crap you spew, you're decidiedly NOT "the thinker". Naw,
call you the sinker. Sinking out, going low, and blaming it on the
spot seems about your speed. Log it.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Dec 2, 11:19�pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:02 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>>
>> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >The only reason I can come up with as to why you don't want the pool
>> >video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
>> >pie picture of you.
>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>Snip a buncha bootee boy yowling<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Your name calling and mischaracterizing aside, the fact still remains
- you are without relevant answer or response to a clear rebutle of
your line of crap. You made some boneheaded assertions or
another,they were refuted illustrating just how intellectually
dishonest and il-equipped you are, and all you have for an answer is
epithets and mischaracterization. Weak.
>
>
>down
>
>
>down
>
>
>
>down
>
>
>
>
>
>
>almost there
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Do you have to write such long retorts, perhaps a lolly pop would make
>it all better?
That you have no relevant answer to these deconstructions and the
facts, reality, and solid reasoning supporting them as they refute
your lines of crap is your problem, dipshit. You get cornered, unable
to make even a hint of a valid argument to support your lines of crap,
and the answer you have here is whining over relative length. Beside
the point and lame. No pool pin for you, princess.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Dec 2, 11:19�pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:02 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>>
>> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >The only reason I can come up with as to why you don't want the pool
>> >video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
>> >pie picture of you.
>
>>
>> >..Why compete for a nationals
>> >video slot when 4-hard working RW guys will get you a medal just for
>> >lurking.
>>
>> Shit, dumbass - you can call it whatever but when all is said an done
>> - you couldn't do it but there's there's no "cometing for a nationals
>> video slot" unless a team has a tryout or something. �
>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>If you can't compete under adverse conditions & high odds and if not
>win-at least place, you may not be as good as you think you
>are.
It's not about how good a team "thinks" it is, dumbass, but achieving
the objective measure of formations flown, points completed - that's
what judges do. Period. The most competitively able team in the
world cannot objectively compete if how they flew, the grips they
took, the formations they completed are not in frame. Period.
Conversely, the most competetively mediocre team in the world can
objectively compete if their dive is in frame. The intellectual
dishonesty which you are slave to suggests adverse conditions
purposefully INTRODUCED in competition takes primacy over achieving an
environment for objective judgement and scoring of a competition dive
- all towards the asinine purpose of maintaining your own rhetorical
fiction because you had pool video on that one (single) competition
dive you were on, well over ten years ago. Every dive has its own
"adverse conditions & high odds," part and parcel of the package. Yet,
for purely self-serving reasons, grounded in rhetorical BS, you would
(if you weren't just blowing smoke out your ass) add more by
introducing a provenly flawed and unecessary system into a process
which demands an objective view to the detriment of that process'
ultimtely objectivity, and which was discarded at the National level
over ten years ago.
>...Perhaps the USPA can send pacifiers down for you cry baby's to
>suck on because life not to mention gravity isn't fair
They'd be better sent to you with how you're whining about the way
things are without lifting a finger, let alone your fat ass, to effect
the changes you desire - but this is not surprising as that's been
your demonstrated habit and this exercise is nothing more than you
heralding an experience you once (and only once) had and crowing its
absolute legitimacy (and therefore pretensing your own supposed
authority (ha!) on the subject) while knocking a strawman of your own
creation - teams with their own dedicated camerafliers. Yeah, it's
fair to say life and gravity certainly caught up with your dumb ass
ten years ago.
>or perhaps you
>think you shouldn't have to compete unless its made easy
No one should have to compete unless they want to and as for easy,
explain how wherever the cameraflier came from, pool or dedicated,
makes the flying any easier. No, the cameraflier's relative
experience with the team he is with has the potential to more likely
achieve an environment where objetive scoring of the dive by the
judges is easier to accomplish whereas with a pool cameraflier,
achieving such an environment is less likely. Period.
>and the odds
>are stacked in your favor? What a crock of shit!
The "crock of shit" here is your own flaming intellectual dishonesty
and unwillingness to think things through, let alone simply reason, in
the face of a rock, solid refutation. I think, and USPA agrees, that
the playing field should be level and not subject to the dice roll
that not just would come, but demonstratively in the past has come
when you introduce a cameraflier unfamiliar with that team's nuances
in competition for the first time, such is the circumstance with pool
video. Your intellectual dishonesty cheerleads a prospect where the
meet results are not simply a reflection of which team flew X number
of completed points but which team was lucky enough to get the pool
cameraflier who sucked the least at anticipating and adjusting. "Yeah,
we flew as good as we've flown all year - too bad the pool guy nailed
the bundy's tail on the launch because it came off shallow - yeah, we
should have changed our exit to match our cameraflier's abilities -
not that we exactly knew what that was and not that he exactly knew
how we tend to luanch the bundy." That's the "competition" environment
you're blowing smoke out yout ass for, dumbass. Fortunately, you lack
the will, let alone the ability, to put into practice such an ill
thought out and transparently self-affirming idea which makes this,
your latest lame line of crap, a non-starter in the real world. Loser.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Dec 2, 11:19�pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:02 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>>
>> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >The only reason I can come up with as to why you don't want the pool
>> >video system is that you are afraid of competition, that fits my wussy
>> >pie picture of you.
>>
>> Of course this "only reason" "fits" that "picture" you've imagined -
>> suppsitional BS to fit the rhetorical BS - instead of facts to go on
>> because you live your life, your little act in this newsgroup, with a
>> dearth of facts. �The reality is, I have never said that I "don't want
>> the pool video system." �
>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Ah Ha crayfishing like the spoiled little brat you are,
Cut the crap, dipshit. You concluded I "don't want the pool video
system" based entirely on my relating the FACT of the REALITIES which
inconvienently illustrate your advocacy of such as ill thought out and
self-serving, but I never said, one way or the other, what I "want" in
that regard or not - just that your "reasoning" was the stuff of
idiots. You have made your regular mistake of assuming opposition to
the swill you spew automatically assumes a pro or con on the issue.
That isn't crayfishing - that's reality - and you're a hypocrite,
given the numerous and undeniable cut and dried examples of you
crayfishing. By your take, it's all about money in today's world of
cameraflying but with a pool there would be more money to be made -
shooting multiple teams instead of one. But, no, you also say I
"don't want the pool video system." So, Jinnie, your greasy nose is
being shoved into two piles of your own rhetorical BS decidedly at
odds with each other and what you don't have is an actual advocacy for
either a pool or dedicated cameraflier in competition on my part
beyond my laying out the realities and the facts - I have expressed no
preference so your saying what I "don't want" is pure assumption. If
it's all about about money, why woud someone not want a pool where
there would be more money to be made? But then, if they want the pool,
this makes very clear how much a line of watery crap is your assertion
that I for example, "don't want the pool video system." You're just
ill equipped, is all.
>ou remind me
>of a rich kid I knew in Big Springs TX....We were
>playing sandlot baseball, he owned the bat and wanted to pitch....We
>drew names for that so her got mad and took his bat home. We batted
>with a two by four---He came back and said his daddy was going to buy
>the lot and kick us off,
>we kept on playing...Your like that kid Jerry, if you can't have it
>your way---You want to pitch a snit fit and take your camera helmet
>home.
Not surprisingly, your stupid anecdote draws striking parallels,
direct and obvious parallels, between the "rich kid" and yourself. I
can cite examples where you've said you weren't going to respond to
<various people> only to return to doing so. I can cite examples
where you've said you were going to do or have done <whatever> which
for some strange reason never was done. I can cite a recent example
where you were actually crying for someone's "blood." Examples where
you've threatened violence. Revenge fantasies which only the most
spoiled of brats are prone to sputtering. No, dumbass - you're
projecting that kid, plain and simple. You can't have it your way so
it's straight to name calling and invective, intellectual dishonesty,
and flat out pathetic lies. You throw fits, princess, and I can cite
clear examples of that, too. But, wishfull thinking on your part
aside, princess, I'm not taking my "camera helmet home." You're
little more than a garden variety troll, Jinnie, but you keep on
wishing upon where I take my camera helmet. Spit in one hand and wish
with the other and see which one fills up first, loser. In the
meantime, I'll be skydiving with my friends, as will a whole lot of
people with theirs, while you trudge into your second decade of total
disassociation from skydiving, salved only by the "attention" you get
on this electronic newsgroup as you gyrate and spew your pitiful cries
for attention and affirmation. That's what your real life is, Jinnie.
Rationalizing it won't change it a bit.
>.Hey go for it brat---The jumping & competition will go on
>regardless because Video geeks
>are a dime a dozen..
Naw, actually it tends to be several hundreds of dimes, sometimes
thousands of dimes, depending on what's required on the jump.
>.I'm just saying we should keep it honest and make
>them work out of a pool drawing them from a hat
>Don't worry, be happy ;-)
Who's this "we," dumbass? It doesn't include you except in terms of
you're the one advocating a reversion to this tried, failed, and
ultimately discarded on a FS National competition level method. You
would "make" a team fly with someone, rather then allow that team to
choose for themselves. Explain how a team with a dedicated
cameraflier wouldn't be "honest." Explain how a pool system would be
honest more so. Further, as to "we should," as you are including
yourself in what "should" be done, what are you doing to make what
"should" be done happen? As ever, you're just blowing smoke out your
ass. "We should ..." "make them ..." Yep, what you say others
should do and those who aren't doing what you want should be made to -
"we should ... make them." You can't make it it happen but better
than that, skydiving continues on as before, without your
participation, and for all intents and purposes oblivious to what you
would have others "make" them do, while saying "we." It just keeps on
getting better and better.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> >You take
> >the hand dealt you and play it like a true sport, WTF you
> >modern kids want ice cream in your beer too?
>
> What a coincidence - in real life today the "hand dealt" is one where
> a team gets to determine who is on their team and who flies which slot
> and they have absolute choice in the matter. Every team can make
> whichever choice is best for them. No longer, for ten years now, does
> a team which has been training for months have to face an outcome of a
> less than objective assessment on the grips they completed because of
> an abitrary decision made by someone else assigned to them a
> cameraflier who was not familiar with how they flew and was not able
> to anticipate and adjust. That is real life, dumbass, - not how you
> think things "should be" - unless you're willing to make these
> changes you'd like happen (as if, ha!), so do yourself a favor and
> accept it like a "true sport" (as if, ha!)
>
> >I am appalled
> >yawl have to have things just so so to feel you can win.
> >Get in there and mix it up, over coming minor difficulties
> >and fears generally make one better---Skydiving in real
> >life around DZ's you rarely get things to suit you, to fill
> >the formation and even a load you often end up with different
> >levels of skill---That makes it harder sure but more interesting.
> >Mixing it up with pool video might cause average skydivers
> >to feel some empathy for the competitors and there by
> >closer---If you weren't afraid you would see this
>
> Cut the crap, dumbass. How does a team overcome a point loss due to
> sa cameraflier being unfamiliar with how they fly and why should they
> have
>
>
>
> >> >..Why compete for a nationals
> >> >video slot when 4-hard working RW guys will get you a medal just for
> >> >lurking.
>
WOW pulling up unrelated posts from almost a year ago, you are not
desperate to change the subject because the truth not only sets you
free but hurts are you girly boy? BTW I still think Nationals video
should be pool video--It would level the playing field and make the
results more interesting, you are just afraid you wouldn't make the
cut in a Nationals Video pool without the same four guys carrying
you! 0~;->
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Jerry K.
This subject or any other subject - I still OWN your dipshit ass,
dipstick and I am just as easily swattting you across the nose with
this crap of yours as any other. They were brought up to watch you
twitch and gargle and, of course, to illustrate how ill equipped you
are as you have no relevant answer, let alone an answer with any base
in reality. Btw - you've seem to have forgotten that I was in a
Nationals Pool, shot multiple teams, no NJ's, and was even asked to
shoot the Knights for a dive because their camera flyer was
experiencing massive technical issues. Of course, as I've also
explained, a camera pool does anything BUT level any "playing field."
If you can't take the heat, take your apron off and put your fuzzy
slipeprs back on, Mary Worth.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
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Yep I got a pair of those sheep skin slippers with the fur around the
ankles and have even taken to wearing them grocery shopping
and on trips to the coffee house for a Latte. I guess with that fur
around the ankle thing they could pass for fuzzy slippers but
got no apron boy, I eat out but I do wear suspenders and a belt to
hold my pants up like a Lotta old farts....When I'm not in bib
overalls that is. I guess my style is a little eclectic but what the
F, it works for me and by the way I still say the reason you are
against pool video is you couldn't make the pool cut without the same
4 guys carrying you all the time, you are just afraid of the pool. .
0~;)P
Jerry K.
Which is remarkably ignorant (and unsurprising, coming from you) in
that I have been in the pool at the Nationals shooting multiple teams.
Dipshit. Keep at it, dipshit - maybe if you keep on screeching
against reality it will change - umm - guess not. Dipshit.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:26:12 -0700 (PDT), the unknown flailer
> > About this video pool thing....this is how it works
> >> >> >The ones that can't cut it? Put them down the road, then teams
> >> >> >draw out of a hat for the remaining geeks.
>
>
> >> >> Cut the crap, dumbass. How does a team overcome a point loss due to
> >> >> sa cameraflier being unfamiliar with how they fly and why should they
> >> >> have
>
> >> >> >> >..Why compete for a nationals
> >> >> >> >video slot when 4-hard working RW guys will get you a medal just for
> >> >> >> >lurking.
>
> >> >WOW pulling up unrelated posts from almost a year ago, you are not
> >> >desperate to change the subject because the truth not only sets you
> >> >free but hurts are you girly boy? BTW I still think Nationals video
> >> >should be pool video--It would level the playing field and make the
> >> >results more interesting, you are just afraid you wouldn't make the
> >> >cut in a Nationals Video pool without the same four guys carrying
> >> >you! 0~;->
>
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>
> >you are
> >against pool video is you couldn't make the pool cut without the same
> >4 guys carrying you all the time, you are just afraid of the pool. .
> >0~;)P
>
> Which is remarkably ignorant (and unsurprising, coming from you) in
> that I have been in the pool at the Nationals shooting multiple teams.
> Dipshit. Keep at it, dipshit - maybe if you keep on screeching
> against reality it will change - umm - guess not. Dipshit.
>
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Probably not punk because I'm from another generation and old
fashioned besides that and
just don't like you or your chicken shit ways. The shame of it, you
are not the only one, the rest
are just to smart to walk into my sight rings 0~;-*
Jerry K.
"Sight rings," my ass. You're metaphorically hunkered in a shallow
trench flinging nerf balls scattershot. Another generation and old
fashioned? You do such people a disservice - they're not as a rule
craven, lying dipshits. What you "don't like" is being shown the
error(s) of your ways - that when you get shit wrong that it gets
pointed out to you with requisite ridicule and abuse not uncommon on
any dropzone when some poser plays pretend and ends up flat on his
face having tripped over his pants which have dropped to his ankles.
You're a big, fat lying dipshit, dipshit - too stupid to not speak in
ignorance and too arrogant understand that when you get it wrong on a
public forum, the public might well point it out - more fool you to
imagine it could be understood any other way - as if you were anything
other than a lying dipshit. Dipshit.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
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> >Probably not punk because I'm from another generation and old
> >fashioned besides that and
> > just don't like you or your chicken shit ways. The shame of it, you
> >are not the only one, the rest
> > are just to smart to walk into my sight rings 0~;-*
>
> "Sight rings," my ass. You're metaphorically hunkered in a shallow
> trench flinging nerf balls scattershot. Another generation and old
> fashioned? You do such people a disservice - they're not as a rule
> craven, lying dipshits. What you "don't like" is being shown the
> error(s) of your ways -
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Let me think about this for a sec............thinking
thinking thinking Nope, I'm quite sure
its ignorant punks like you I don't like lol '->
Jerry K.
"Ignorant punks" AKA - one who has the gall to call you on your crap -
who show you the error(s) of your ways. That's the reality, dipshit.
All the other crap you assign to me is nothing more than baseless
supposition, prejudice, and rhetorical BS. Weak and pathetic.
Dipshit.
...bsrp
...jlk