>Before Bill makes his appearances I think he should braid it and put >smoldering >strips of cloth in it, in the Edward Teach style.
Touchè, Pete. I've been following this thread waiting for someone to say something interesting. Personally, I think Bill should wear his beard shorter, but that's my _opinion_. Do I want to see him trim, cut or shave it? Hell no!! I would, however, like to see him with smoldering cloth braided into his beard. I'm still laughing.
Bill is an excellent spokesman for the sport, and his genius has benefitted all of us. My hats off to you, Bill, and my old jumpsuit is offered to use as strips to braid into your wonderful, unique beard. More power to you.
Timothy
Existing is not living; don't throw away the thrill of living for the comfort of existence. Triple T D17887 NCB135
> Cool, I expected most of these responses, so in typical r.s. style I will > respond and see what other overly emotional responses I can inspire. > However, at the end of the day I am entitled to my opinion and that is all I > was sharing, I am not trying to take a love it, or shove it attitude on > this. So... here we go.
> fastsftail wrote: > bill booth doesn' t need to cut his beard for you or anybody else. what else > does he need to do to be credible, as if the three ring system, the original > throw out on the original piggy back (that wasn't just a chest mount > stacked > on top of a main container), and tandem weren't enough.
> >> Nobody gives a shit about the 3-ring or tandem inventions when he is on > TV talking about why 3 sorry soles bounced at the south pole. These highly > technical inventions are not likely to get him much credibility with the > largely non-skydiving public he is addressing, these people do not even know > what these things are. Remember, when we put somebody on TV we are trying to > protect the sport. Bill did an excellent verbal job of this, I am simply > stating an assumption that based on his appearance to the average > non-skydiver who does not know who the hell Bill Booth is or what he has > done that some % of these people will have a hard time taking him too > seriously. Remember this is Prime Time network TV, not some closed-circuit > skydiver only channel. This is your mom and dad, my mom and dad, and the > rest of America.
> Al Anderson wrote: > I find myself jumping to conclusions based on someone's appearance. > Human nature. When I realize I've done that I stop and re-evaluate the > words or actions of the person and base my actions/reactions on those.
> >>Agreed, and we can all hope people have this attitude (and the > intelligence to have this attitude). BUT, we *are* dealing with quick video > and sound bytes here. Nobody is going to give Bill Booth a 2 hour special > where the viewers can take a deep look at how credible he actually is. > Instead, the skydiving community gets a quick 5 minute chance to speak its > position. Why take chances on prejudices which may exist, go with the safe > formula (i.e. the most conservative looking *and* well spoken representative > you can find).
> Charlie Orchard was the first to point out this mistake: > As I look at the subject line of this thread I can not help but point out > that Bill Booth already keeps his beard quite "loose". ;-)
> >>Yes, that would be lose the beard.... duh!
> Maclean wrote: > and i suppose Einstein had that G.Q. look you seem so impressed with ?????
> >>I don't remember Einstein being on the tube with Gumbal, do you? This is > about as relevant a comparison as skydiving to basket-weaving, different > time, different place, different dude. The theory of relativity is also > slightly more relevant than the 3-ring in the grand scheme of things. Nice > try.
> Hammerwork wrote: > The people who can't see past Bill's beard are not going to be reached by us > anyway. Probably looks > pretty weird in freefall too, is that bad also?
> >>You seem very sure of this, maybe you know something I don't. My whole > post is centered around *not* being so sure about the statement you made > above. I *am* pretty certain though that you are correct in his beard being > pretty damn amusing in freefall.
> Cherri O's wrote: > This Marty guy is a skydiver??????? > Never thought I'd ever see a skydiver this conformist! Simply amazing! > I just can’t believe it! Talk about an appearance complex!
> >>Yes I Skydive, You have now seen it. Believe it. > >>No complex here, just observation that when I see other sports being > represented in public in light of a tragedy this task is usually taken-on by > a safe, conservative, and professional individual which will start as close > to neutral as possible. Probably a hired PR mouthpiece in most cases, maybe > a good use of some of those USPA funds we all chip in every year.
> DD Bartley wrote: > Yep and I was his jumpmaster.
> >>True!! (she quit shortly after teaching me...)
> Larry Pennington wrote: > Just have to ask you to do one small thing... Can you say POP!! Good > now that you have your head out of your ass you can think.
> >>I would venture to guess, that most would agree, my post(s) has involved a > fair amount more thought than yours... dick.
> Rita wrote: > I, for one, absolutely love Bill's beard. In fact, I'll be honest, it turns > me on! :)
> >>Ever since I read this, I have not shaved since.... look for me at a DZ > near you in about 12 years.
> >>Actually, this brings up my last point. Within skydiving, Bill Booth is a > cool, well respected guy who has added ample amounts to the safety of the > sport. My comment is not really attacking him as much as it is the sport > which continues to represent itself to the media in an unsatisfactory manner > in my opinion. If Bill wants to hang at the DZ and grow his beard to the > ground, cool... But my USPA paying, skydiving ass says, if we want to > continue to enjoy the *lack* of public attention, interference, and scrutiny > this sport *really* enjoys, we better get our act together when it comes to > dealing with the public.
> Later. > Marty
Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. When have skydivers really cared about public image, and why the hell should we? The few members of the "public" that bother to think about skydiving and skydivers at all firmly believe that we are all insane. Bill Booth lose his beard? If he reads this crap, he must be laughing his ass off at the asininity of such a preposterous, pathetic suggestion. I know I am.
EFSpete wrote: > Before Bill makes his appearances I think he should braid it and put smoldering > strips of cloth in it, in the Edward Teach style. That would put the fear of > god in those reporters and keep them off gaurd.....
... and he sould wash it too !!!!!!
Just look at this picture of Bill Booth during opening that i found:
The hair of his beard is sooo sticky it doesn't even blow up in the wind!!!!!
-- BSBD, Thomas Kerler, TDD #6, Whip(p)ersnapper #10000 & 1/8th mailto:ker...@math.ohio-state.edu http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~kerler/BSBD/club.html "there's nothing wrong with going nowhere, babe, but we should be going nowhere _fast_" (lyrics:Jim Steinman)
By the way, I printed out the first nights comments on "the beard" and hand delivered them to Bill Booth. He had heard about the thread and was amused while reading them.
Sandy Wambach wrote: > Hey Marty! Read my lips...... > BILL BOOTH IS A BABE!
Check out Poynter's Manual (third edition) page 221 in the upper right corner of the page (sorry, Bill!) I remember when this picture was taken back in the mid-70s. Bill had cut off his beard for some reason, but when I saw him about 6 weeks later, his magnificent beard was already back in full splendor!! I was amazed.
Deland in the 70's.... How many people here remember those days?
-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If you can pack all of those parachutes, then you can fold your own shirts and make up your own bed"! [What Mom told me when I was still living at home at age 23, absolutely obsessed with skydiving] c.1972
George Galloway <g...@precision.net> http://precision.aerodynamics.com Precision Aerodynamics 423-949-4688 Parachute Industry Assn V Pres ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
EFSpete wrote in message <19971215132200.IAA07...@ladder02.news.aol.com>... >Before Bill makes his appearances I think he should braid it and put smoldering >strips of cloth in it, in the Edward Teach style. That would put the fear of >god in those reporters and keep them off gaurd.....
This is the funniest damn thing I think I have ever read!
Anybody who gives me shit for starting this thread can now kiss my ass, without it we would never have gotten this reply... I laugh every time I visualize this...
James Whitaker wrote in message <6775eu$cs...@newsfep1.sprintmail.com>... >By the way, I printed out the first nights comments on "the beard" and hand >delivered them to Bill Booth. >He had heard about the thread and was amused while reading them.
Cool. Tell Bill hello and thanks for the sweet V3's I own, nice rigs.
This is the best damned photo of Bill Booth that I've ever seen. It really captures his essence, and his love of skydiving is obvious. So he has a need for a little washing...who doesn't after a day on the dz?? ;-)
Marty is right. The 'smouldering cloth' comment, and this, make the thread not only tolerable, but pretty f*****g funny as well!!!!
Timothy
Existing is not living; don't throw away the thrill of living for the comfort of existence. Triple T D17887 NCB135
You can't fool any of us Bill. I know you are really Santa Claus desguised as a skydiver. I know cause just yesterday I sat on your lap at the mall. Lose your beard, and you lose your power...don't do it Bill. KOB
>I don't know if I'd recognize him without it.(just kidding!) I respect your >point of view, but feel that you are being overly critical. The man is so >"well >spoken and eloquent" (as you put it) that I don't think his appearance >matters.
Kingobase <kingob...@aol.com> wrote in article <19971217141501.JAA24...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> You can't fool any of us Bill. I know you are really Santa Claus desguised as > a skydiver. I know cause just yesterday I sat on your lap at the mall. Lose > your beard, and you lose your power...don't do it Bill. KOB
Santa's one of us? Can I have a Cypres for Christmas, Bill, huh, can I can I can I!!! I've been a good (wink wink) little girl, I'll even sit on your lap!
Marty Hahnfeld wrote: > Anybody who gives me shit for starting this thread can now kiss my ass, > without it we would never have gotten this reply... I laugh every time I > visualize this...
Kiss your ass, huh? Jeez, aren't you going to at least show me what it looks like first? :)
> You can't fool any of us Bill. I know you are really Santa Claus desguised as > a skydiver. I know cause just yesterday I sat on your lap at the mall. Lose > your beard, and you lose your power...don't do it Bill. KOB
Santa Claus, huh? Well, you know what I'd like for Christmas, Santa? A tandem ride with the true master! Wow ... imagine that beard tickling the back of your neck all the way through freefall? Ummmmm, think I'll log off and go fantasize now! :)
> > Anybody who gives me shit for starting this thread can now kiss my ass, > > without it we would never have gotten this reply... I laugh every time I > > visualize this...
> Kiss your ass, huh? Jeez, aren't you going to at least show me what it looks > like first? :)
You can't miss it--it's sitting right on his shoulders ;^)
-- Blue Skies,
Michael D-6139, I/JM(Retired)
"Here's tae us; wha's like us ? Gey few, and they're a' deid."
> > > Anybody who gives me shit for starting this thread can now kiss my ass, > > > without it we would never have gotten this reply... I laugh every time I > > > visualize this...
> > Kiss your ass, huh? Jeez, aren't you going to at least show me what it looks > > like first? :)
> You can't miss it--it's sitting right on his shoulders ;^)
And all this time I thought he just had bad breath. 8-)
Hello! I find your statement and your reasoning extremely ubsurd! Bill is one of the most well GROOMED skydivers I have ever seen, in addition to being well spoken. I've seen many an instructer, unshaven, lacking basic hygene skills, representing many DZ's. How many "good looking" skydivers do you know that can't even complete a sentence, or use "fuck" in every other phrase. Would you want them speaking on your behalf just because they look good? Bill spoke in terms that whuffos easily followed. Anyone watching the program with even a speck of intelligence would recognize an educated man regardless of the beard. Yes, if we were all Ken and Barbie maybe we would be more accepted in society. This isn't a glamor magazine it's real life, with all the colors that keep it interesting.
Fast Fred wrote in message <3496206F.5...@bellsouth.NOSPAM.net>... Marty Hahnfeld wrote: >>When have skydivers really cared about public image, and why the hell
should we?
Talk about pathetic, use your brain!
The answer is, we shouldn't care, if we don't mind renewing our licenses with the FAA instead of USPA one of these days. If we don't represent ourselves to the public both professionally and competently somebody is going to make sure we are "reformed" and that the "insanity" stops. Like it or not, we *need* to care what the public thinks of the sport.
Remember, we are in an age where an over zelous media often takes things into their own hands, they call them "investigations" "reports" "crusades" and they aim to reform things which *they* feel are unsafe, unregulated, and generally out of control. They will hound government agencies, cameras running, and ask questions like "are you going to let this continue?" "what are you doing about this?" "are you going to continue to let people die?" and before you know it..... regulation of our incredibly free and unpolluted sport.
Seems alot easier to me, to be proactive, by presenting to the media (read: the public) in the most professional manner possible. Remember, three people die, it is NEWS which the public wants to know about! It is out responsibility to make sure we state our case and continue to reinforce the positive aspects (read: safety and fun) of the sport.
Later. Marty (still laughing about the smoldering strips of cloth...)
> CRWMike wrote in message <34982A92.2...@Bellsouth.net>...
> >You can't miss it--it's sitting right on his shoulders ;^)
> Another friggin' genius.... excellent creative work on the lil' smiley face, > very proud of you!!
> Later. Marty
Hey brother. Just poking a little fun at you. I do disagree with your point of view that one of the most experienced and respected skydivers in the world should alter his appearance to please...who?
But it's no big deal--relax. -- Blue Skies,
Michael D-6139, I/JM(Retired)
"Here's tae us; wha's like us ? Gey few, and they're a' deid."
ya got me ... A. Einstein was gone before T.V. news media became ENTERTAINMENT ... or you probably would have seen Babwa W. trying to get him to cry over the orphaned particles in a chain reaction.. B. most skydivers probably should be weaving baskets in protected environments C. nothing, including GOD, is more relevant than your 3-ring at 1500 ft under a ball of shit.. Crusty AKA MacLean
Marty Hahnfeld <mar...@interaccess.com> wrote in article <672k6k$i0...@nntp3.interaccess.com>...
> Cool, I expected most of these responses, so in typical r.s. style I will > respond and see what other overly emotional responses I can inspire.
> Maclean wrote: > and i suppose Einstein had that G.Q. look you seem so impressed with ?????
> >>I don't remember Einstein being on the tube with Gumbal, do you? This is > about as relevant a comparison as skydiving to basket-weaving, different > time, different place, different dude. The theory of relativity is also > slightly more relevant than the 3-ring in the grand scheme of things. Nice > try.
