In awe : Adidas Skating Pro
Jan Gerrit Klok
Just got these in, off UK eBay. Agreeable shipping costs to the
mainland.
For the boots alone, I paid roughly 1/4th of the MSRP some odd sizes
still to be had.
They seem like an Adidas take on the RS Carbons. More refined than the
2008 RS Carbons. Tall cuff is what I notice. Like 3cm taller than the
Atomic Race Skates I have handy here. Weight a few grams more. Stabilty
is awesome.
I got free overboots with them. Exactly to the boots size. Wonderful.
Great product, odd they seem to not have sold well.
Get the odd sizes, even if they don't fit you, one of your friends
will, and will be thankful.
Regards,
J
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Jan Gerrit Klok
Raubie
I'm really curious to see how these work for you.
I saw these at the end of last season, but waited too long and my size
sold out (they included the booties which I would often use). My
understanding is that the boots are a little wider than the
corresponding Salomon Pilot models. I would have loved to have a pair
as they also make stylin' rollerski boots. Too bad Adidas XC equipment
isn't readily available in NA (at least not much appears in Canada).
Let us know how they work out and post a picture.
Jan Gerrit Klok
Pics
http://tinyurl.com/yab2xcm
http://tinyurl.com/ybrzwlc
http://tinyurl.com/y98mt6f
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w183/Cloxxki/adidasonder.jpg
Forgot the bootie.
Keep in mind, it's a US13/EU48. Ice skate is the biggest I could
cheaply get (my first), 55cm or a bit less overall.
Cool stuff, and with the stock 105 Profil bumper (115 ordered didn't
fit), it actually claps nicely. Can't wait to get safe ice here!
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Jan Gerrit Klok
Bob
58c2...@skibanter.com> wrote:
> Pics
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yab2xcmhttp://tinyurl.com/ybrzwlchttp://tinyurl.com/y98mt6fhttp://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w183/Cloxxki/adidasonder.jpg
>
> Forgot the bootie.
>
> Keep in mind, it's a US13/EU48. Ice skate is the biggest I could
> cheaply get (my first), 55cm or a bit less overall.
> Cool stuff, and with the stock 105 Profil bumper (115 ordered didn't
> fit), it actually claps nicely. Can't wait to get safe ice here!
>
> --
> Jan Gerrit Klok
I considered buying nordic skates but I'm very glad I got my Graf 502s
instead: they're *extremely* fun on the ice that I have available. Is
there a reason (besides saving money on a boot) to get the nordic
blade on an XC skate boot?
Bob
Raubie
the chance. I remember seeing a lot of Adidas skate boots during the
Torino Olympics.
Coincidentally, Nordic skating is on my wish list for this winter.
Found a bunch of youtubes on it awhile back and quite inspired to
check it out. I think it's one of those sports that can become quite
addictive.
Jan Gerrit Klok
On another forum, it was mentioned these boots are actually on the
narrow side. I think I have to side with that. If my socks are only
just not right, I feel my foor being laterally compressed a bit. The RS
Carbon and Atomic Race Skates are a tad wider.
I did some ice skating on the pictured combo. I am now really in awe,
of these boots' lateral stability and comfort. They're definately up to
very agressive skating where power gets the better over technique.
In terms of quality, I think I need to rate them between RS Carbons
(can't speak for the new version with white in it) and S-Labs. The Race
Skates are no comparison, fit, stiffness and especially not build
quality wise.
These Adidas' are darn good, and you don't look like a geek in them. I
will add that I don't need geeky boots to look like one.
I was also impressed with the skates, admitting that they are the first
of their kind I've sampled. Also keep in mind, these are the Huffies,
the TecnoPro's, the Lada's of ice skates. Earlier versions got bad
reviews for failing, and the Swedes just say "you get what you pay
for". Later product is said to be better.
Anyway, with a random binding placement, and proven to be very mediocre
skating balance, I was soon making long glides at high speeds. Long and
bulky looking doesn't equal slow gliding, folks. The effort of 12-15kph
no-poles skiing (barely any more than leaning on a leg and then
switching over and back) would have you testing 30kph and more. A few
strides to get some speed would force you to lean forward, or the
skates would away from you.
The ice I tried (ice club's over-skated flooded grassland) had lots of
cracks, holes and crystal messy ice, but the blades just glide on
through unfazed.
The clapping mech is audible, but not bothering me thusfar. It's a most
natural clap I'm getting, not too fast or slow, and not real noticible
hit trying to throw me off balance.
The blades being low, it's barely a lateral wobble such a Norwegian
skates with leather boots. There is some "hang", especially inward (may
depend on which boots you use), but it's natural feeling.
My blades seem to been shipped off factory with a barely passable
finish. I'll need to have them sharpened, that will likel make them
much better still. I was often getting some unextected twists from
them, or asymmetrical sliding. Switching left and right blades
(supposed to be identical) actually made a difference. So that's that.
To me the blades are a huge success. Priceless, to get to the ice, and
be skating second later. And to gets off them, and be finding yourself
walking with warm feet in your ski boots. ON any winter holiday, you'd
be mad to not bring these. Such a small package. If you happen to get
across nice lookin gice, you're out of the car and skating in no-time.
You already know skate boots and bindings.
The bindings really make the skating "natural" for the snow skater I
am. The push-off felt a bit like a grown man's ice hockeys, with the
tip of the blade, but NOT, thanks to the clap.
Also I could draw comparison to inline skates, were you get to push off
on the most forward wheel, and get away ith it. That feeling.
I can SO see myself skating these things til my endurance limit. With
the speeds they allow, and the slightest of trainings, km centuries
become an acceptable prospect.
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Jan Gerrit Klok
Jan Gerrit Klok
'Bob[_4_ Wrote:
> ;141117']
>
> I considered buying nordic skates but I'm very glad I got my Graf 502s
> instead: they're *extremely* fun on the ice that I have available. Is
> there a reason (besides saving money on a boot) to get the nordic
> blade on an XC skate boot?
>
> Bob
Ok, nordic skates, for me the reasons (keep in mind I have yet to try)
- warm boots
- comfy boots
- stable boots (I'm not into low-cut leather socks)
- clap mechanism of binding (more natural push-off on the toes
possible)
- convenience: walking around on boots, wearing blades only on the ice
Yesterday I found a review by an avid Dutch marathon skater, that had
reviewed them as a favor for a nordic skate shop. He had previously
laughed at these things. He was surprised that apart from a slight
technique adjustment, is was better on all account. Comfort, cracks in
the ice, distance they would work for, etc. Speed was not less, heart
rates not higher. He wrote that he'd not doubt about doing a 200k on
the Nordic skates the same day, but would have strong doubts having to
do it on his more traditional Viking.
Imagine on a long tour the ice goes bad, or missing. You get off the
ice and have decent boots to walk on. Or, you drop out of a race, and
get to wait for the bus home with warm feet, jogging around a bit.
Typical XC bindings are not super stiff, so you won't see it being used
for inline skating just yet I think, too tall with wiggly.
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Jan Gerrit Klok
Raubie
This is a great discussion! Thank you for the hands-on insight.
k.a.m...@mts.net
58cd...@skibanter.com> wrote:
>
> Typical XC bindings are not super stiff, so you won't see it being used
> for inline skating just yet I think, too tall with wiggly.
Your photos show a Salomon Profil "automatic" binding on your nordic
skates blades. "Automatics" are significantly less laterally stiff
than a "manual" Profil binding because the clamp mechanism is not as
robust. Pilot bindings are another small step forward in lateral
stability, IMO.
I have a pair of Almgrens (now called Lundhags) nordic skates (55cm)
that I ordered from http://nordicskater.com in 1999. I use them with a
manual Profil binding and Salomon S-Lab skate ski boots. Fantastic.
Kevin Miller
Winnipeg, Canada
David Dermott
>
> Your photos show a Salomon Profil "automatic" binding on your nordic
> skates blades. "Automatics" are significantly less laterally stiff
> than a "manual" Profil binding because the clamp mechanism is not as
> robust. Pilot bindings are another small step forward in lateral
> stability, IMO.
>
> I have a pair of Almgrens (now called Lundhags) nordic skates (55cm)
> that I ordered from http://nordicskater.com in 1999. I use them with a
> manual Profil binding and Salomon S-Lab skate ski boots. Fantastic.
>
Hi again Kevin and hi to Jan (in NL)
Another reason for the manual bindings is that they may be less
prone to freezing up in wet snow or slush while both skiing and
skating. I have NNN automatic bindings on all my skis (4) and skates (2),
they do freeze up, but I like the auto :-)
If one does a lot of walking/portaging/kluning between lakes,
especially on icy or rocky trails, the "Backcountry" boots/binding
are recommended: Salomon X-adventure or NNN-BC. Skate ski boots
(and also most classic recreation boots)
have very slippery soles. I've thought of switching to NNN-BC
(means getting 6 new pairs of bindings!)
Of course for just competition or training the skate-ski boots are
probably ideal but be careful walking across icy parking lots! Red
Creek (sweden) used to make Anti-slip protectors for ski boots, I
haven't seen a North American source but they are sold in NL:
http://www.almgrens.nl/detail.asp?id=601
Jan: Check out these links in NL:
http://www.natuurijswijzer.nl/voorbereiding/een-goed-passende-schaats/
http://www.hlsk.nl
http://www.almgrens.nl
http://www.flevonice.nl/winter/
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David Dermott , Wolfville Ridge, Nova Scotia, Canada
ice skating links: http://www.dermott.ca/ski/skating.html
Jan Gerrit Klok
Thanks Kevin, that's an excellent tip!
I probably received bump rubbers for the Manual variety also then.
For now, preformance is passable, and may even help me learn to apply
force straight down the blades. For good lateral push, I will need to
get me some Manuals or Pilots, then?
Any idea if it might help to make a small modification to my
Automatics, like a thin sheet of steel (coke can) in between shoe pin
and binding?
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Jan Gerrit Klok
Jan Gerrit Klok
Thanks David, the BC thing was something I was wondering about, why do
folks use those. I figured even warmer boots, didn't even consider the
knobby shoes required their own binding system.
I've yet to visit Flevonice, but it's on the planning. Best distance
skating you can get without 2 weeks of solid freezing. Only in Holland,
I suppose. Maybe if Global Warming were true, Sweden could cough up for
one.
Quite a project, 5km of outdoor ice. Makes a ski tunnel seem like a
school assignment.
Thanks also for some of those other links that were new to me.
jeff potter
This one they say converts to Classic. Have you tried it?
I tried an Alpina combi last year. I couldn't see how to remove the
cuff. It was terrible for classic with cuff on.
I like the idea of a classic boot with tons of support. But it seems
that maybe only race boots offer enough support and good fit control
in the first and most important area: the sole, then the upper and
finally a cuff.
I'm doing intense touring with my NNN set-up. I don't hanker for the
BC stuff -- don't need the weight. A good strong light boot would be
enough, I think, for me.
--JP
Jan Gerrit Klok
jeff potter;142094 Wrote:
> I always liked Adidas.
>
> This one they say converts to Classic. Have you tried it?
>
>
The cuff seems to be un-clickable. But if that leaves us with a usefull
classic boot...? I just return from Dutch Nordic Festival. One girl just
didn't tie he cuffs to join a classic class.
Isn't the sole between classic and skating different by design?
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Jan Gerrit Klok