Is June Mt. Dead?

[Richard Henry]

MMSA official statement --

***
June 21, 2012
Rusty Gregory, Mammoth Mountain Ski Area Chairman and CEO, announced
today the company will not operate June Mountain this summer and for
the upcoming 2012-13 winter season. “June has operated at an annual
deficit each year since its purchase in 1986,” said Gregory. “It is
time to invest some of this subsidy into the analysis and planning
required to position the resort for a sustainable future, then secure
the approvals and financing required to create it.”

Mammoth purchased June Mountain in 1986 with the idea of significantly
increasing the size of the resort by building new facilities,
extending new runs to the June Lake Village, and fostering additional
developed ski areas along the San Joaquin Ridge, resulting in a
connection between Mammoth and June Mountains. For a number of
reasons, these plans were never realized and June Mountain has, in
turn, suffered from an identity crisis that has both stifled its
ability to achieve its full potential and required substantial
financial subsidy from Mammoth on an annual basis. Cessation of
operations will help the company dedicate its focus to a new future
for June Mountain. Mammoth will be working with its partner the U.S.
Forest Service to reach the best possible result in this endeavor.

In the weeks to come, Mammoth will be working to determine if and to
what extent it can absorb June’s year round workforce.

Mammoth Mountain will continue to offer world-class skiing,
snowboarding and summer activities for locals and visitors to the
region.

Mammoth Mountain has operated continuously under permit from the U.S.
Forest Service since 1954, and operated both resorts for the past 26
years. Mammoth Mountain Ski Area also owns and operates a variety of
resort businesses including recreation, hospitality, food and beverage
and retail including Mammoth Mountain Ski Area, Tamarack Lodge and
Resort, Mammoth Snowmobile Adventures, Woolly’s Adventure Summit,
Mammoth Mountain Bike Park and the Mammoth Mountain Inn. Mammoth
Mountain also operates Juniper Springs Resort, the Village at Mammoth,
and Sierra Star Golf Course.
***

Long discussions here --

http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13693

http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=13706

[Richard Henry]

Radio interview with MMSA GM Rusty Gregory--

http://kiwi6.com/file/71r8xi2481

[Richard Henry]

Radio interview with Rusty Gregory, the GM of MMSA.

[The Real Bev]

On 06/23/2012 02:33 PM, comadrejo wrote:

> On 2012-06-22 20:21:39 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>
>> MMSA official statement --
>>
>> ***
>> June 21, 2012
>> Rusty Gregory, Mammoth Mountain Ski Area Chairman and CEO, announced
>> today the company will not operate June Mountain this summer

> (snip)

>> Long discussions here --
>>
>> http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13693
>>
>> http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=13706

Feh. I was just thinking that it might be fun to try June this year --
cheaper than Mammoth and probably bigger and better than Snow Summit.

--
Cheers, Bev
*******************************************
"Let them all go to hell, except Cave 76"
-- Mel Brooks

[Richard Henry]

Compared to Mammoth, the drive is a half-hour longer if the roads are
clear, and another couple of opportunities to chain up (or be blocked)
if the weather is nasty. There is really no new accommodations in
June Lake except condos that went in a few years ago, andt most of the
rooms are cabins or apartments that include kitchens. They are not
really much cheaper than low-end Mammoth hotels (Motel 6 or
Econolodge). The lift tickets and cafeteira food are cheaper.

Compared to Snow Summit/Bear Mt, SS/BM has the better lift selection,
JM better trails. Lift tickets and food are comparable. This last
season SS/BM had better snow and a longer season.

[The Real Bev]

On 06/23/2012 03:15 PM, Richard Henry wrote:

> On Jun 23, 2:43 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 06/23/2012 02:33 PM, comadrejo wrote:
>>
>> > On 2012-06-22 20:21:39 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>>
>> >> MMSA official statement --
>>
>> >> ***
>> >> June 21, 2012
>> >> Rusty Gregory, Mammoth Mountain Ski Area Chairman and CEO, announced
>> >> today the company will not operate June Mountain this summer
>> > (snip)
>> >> Long discussions here --
>>
>> >>http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13693
>>
>> >>http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=13706
>>
>> Feh. I was just thinking that it might be fun to try June this year --
>> cheaper than Mammoth and probably bigger and better than Snow Summit.
>

> Compared to Mammoth, the drive is a half-hour longer if the roads are
> clear, and another couple of opportunities to chain up (or be blocked)
> if the weather is nasty. There is really no new accommodations in
> June Lake except condos that went in a few years ago, andt most of the
> rooms are cabins or apartments that include kitchens. They are not
> really much cheaper than low-end Mammoth hotels (Motel 6 or
> Econolodge). The lift tickets and cafeteira food are cheaper.
>
> Compared to Snow Summit/Bear Mt, SS/BM has the better lift selection,
> JM better trails. Lift tickets and food are comparable. This last
> season SS/BM had better snow and a longer season.

OK, I'm not so shattered. Accommodation and food are not important, the
cheaper the better.

Putting on the chains was not a problem, but getting them off was. Must
remember to stop so the split is on the top, like it was when I put them
on. Or was it the other way around? Damn...


--
Cheers, Bev
O_________________________________________________O
"John Wayne toilet paper -- It's rough, it's tough,
and it don't take no crap from nobody."

[Horva...@net.net]

On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:57:08 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:

>OK, I'm not so shattered. Accommodation and food are not important, the
>cheaper the better.

You are seriously warped. Do you travel with a fold-up cardboard box?

I've slept in a pup-tent on the cold hard ground in winter many times.
But now I like to sleep in a four star hotel.

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

[twobuddha]

On Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:10:28 AM UTC-7, (unknown) wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:57:08 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >OK, I'm not so shattered. Accommodation and food are not important, the
> >cheaper the better.
>
> You are seriously warped. Do you travel with a fold-up cardboard box?

For once I agree with Horvie.
BTW, she travels on a broom.

[The Real Bev]

On 06/24/2012 04:10 AM, Horva...@net.net wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:57:08 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
>>OK, I'm not so shattered. Accommodation and food are not important, the
>>cheaper the better.
>
> You are seriously warped. Do you travel with a fold-up cardboard box?

Nope, a van with a foam mattress on stilts in back so we can carry
tools, etc., underneath. I just find the idea of spending significant
money TO SLEEP unpleasant.

> I've slept in a pup-tent on the cold hard ground in winter many times.
> But now I like to sleep in a four star hotel.

I wouldn't actually mind it, but I don't know anybody crazy enough to
pay the bill.

--
Cheers, Bev
============================================================
"To liberals, building a wall across the Mexican border is a
violation of the Voting Rights Act." -- Ann Coulter

[Horva...@net.net]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:27:13 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>

>> You are seriously warped. Do you travel with a fold-up cardboard box?
>
>Nope, a van with a foam mattress on stilts in back so we can carry
>tools, etc., underneath. I just find the idea of spending significant
>money TO SLEEP unpleasant.

I've slept in a van many times WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE. I've gone
backpacking many times and slept in a tent. But not any more. If I'm
not sleeping in my mansion or on my yacht I'd rather like a four star
hotel and I can afford it.

>> I've slept in a pup-tent on the cold hard ground in winter many times.
>> But now I like to sleep in a four star hotel.
>
>I wouldn't actually mind it, but I don't know anybody crazy enough to
>pay the bill.

You're supposed to pay it yourself. This is America.

BTW, somebody ask Trunky what it's like to sleep behind bars.

[lal_truckee]

On 6/27/12 4:17 PM, Horva...@net.net wrote:

> I've slept in a van many times WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE.

I'm so sorry, Mr. Horvath. You must have missed out on your Kerouac
years. You didn't live in a van for most of the 60&70? Not in North
Africa? Not even in Spain? And not even zipping back and forth across
America?

I real pity. So much valuable experience lost.

[twobuddha]

Damned if I know, Huggies. What is it like to sleep in diapers, especially after you dream of me finding you and you foul yourself? Do you change yourself or do you have your momma do it?

[twobuddha]

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:27:13 PM UTC-7, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 06/24/2012 04:10 AM, Horva...@net.net wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:57:08 -0700, The Real Bev
> > <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
> >
> >>OK, I'm not so shattered. Accommodation and food are not important, the
> >>cheaper the better.
> >
> > You are seriously warped. Do you travel with a fold-up cardboard box?
>
> Nope, a van with a foam mattress on stilts in back so we can carry
> tools, etc., underneath. I just find the idea of spending significant
> money TO SLEEP unpleasant.
>
> > I've slept in a pup-tent on the cold hard ground in winter many times.
> > But now I like to sleep in a four star hotel.
>
> I wouldn't actually mind it, but I don't know anybody crazy enough to
> pay the bill.
>

Damned if I don't agree with a psychopath.
I can set up my van with heat, a cot, plenty of gear storage with the clamshell on the roof. Took it to White Pass for an overnighter, down to Bachelor and camped along the Deschutes, and just got back from a couple days on Orcas Island. Sleep like a baby, and it is handy for catnaps. I just love being a hippy at my age. Runs great in the snow, too.

[VtSkier]

;-}

[The Real Bev]

On 06/27/2012 04:17 PM, Horva...@net.net wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:27:13 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>>
>>> You are seriously warped. Do you travel with a fold-up cardboard box?
>>
>>Nope, a van with a foam mattress on stilts in back so we can carry
>>tools, etc., underneath. I just find the idea of spending significant
>>money TO SLEEP unpleasant.
>
> I've slept in a van many times WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE. I've gone
> backpacking many times and slept in a tent. But not any more. If I'm
> not sleeping in my mansion or on my yacht I'd rather like a four star
> hotel and I can afford it.

Just because I can afford something doesn't mean I'm willing to actually
spend money on it.

>>> I've slept in a pup-tent on the cold hard ground in winter many times.
>>> But now I like to sleep in a four star hotel.
>>
>>I wouldn't actually mind it, but I don't know anybody crazy enough to
>>pay the bill.
>
> You're supposed to pay it yourself. This is America.

See above. Come to think of it, I was pissed when the secretary booked
me into a fancier motel FURTHER from the office I was visiting; I
worked until 3 am and got up at 6 am AND had a longer trip to and from
the office. Waste is waste no matter who's paying the bills.

--
Cheers, Bev
==================================================================
"I used to be convinced that MicroSquish shipped crap because they
simply didn't give a flying fuck as long as the sheep kept buying
their shit. Now, I'm convinced that they really do ship the best
products they are capable of writing, and *that's* tragic."
- John C. Randolph, about MS quality control.

[The Real Bev]

X-country zipping in the 60s and 70s, but the experience is different
with kids.

--
Cheers, Bev
===============================================================
Never try to extort more than it would cost to have you killed.

[Richard Henry]

On Jun 27, 7:35 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am planning to attend the June Lake community meeting on July 10
about the June Mt. closing (remember the original topic of this
thread?) and I will probably sleep at least one night in the back of
my pickup, traveling at night to avoid the daytime desert heat.

[twobuddha]

Hey, how about you, Wack Job Waldron, Brain Fried Thompson, Mad Dog Baker, and anybody else who has ever lied to SPD about me (or claimed to have lied, or threatened to lie) have a community meeting in Seattle? I'm sure your cop buddies will attend: after all, you claimed to be closely working with them to get me imprisoned for the rest of my life. Before you admitted you got blown off with a FORM EMAIL, of course.
Contact info?
How humiliating for all of you.

[pigo]

I sold my last van (remember that one?) in about 2001. It had a sleeping section AND a living room! Since high school I think I owned 4 vans. Not to mention (just did) 500K miles driving an airport shuttle in SLC and Denver and the cross country tour guiding I did in someone elses van. I probably have more hours sleep (or some version of) in a van than everyone here combined. And most, a great experience. Closest I've gotten to in in Europe is in trains with sleeping compartments. Another good experience. Now though? I don't mind a nice hotel once and awhile. But I'd rather play expensive golf and stay cheap than the other way around. These days cheap can = bedbugs. Best not to go too cheap.

[Richard Henry]

On Jun 28, 6:10 am, pigo <bobt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:35:00 PM UTC-6, lal_truckee wrote:

The cheapest accommodations in the Mammoth/June areaa \re at teh
Econolodge in ML. I have stayed there comfortabley many times.
However, this trip may end up just being two nights and a day on the
road, sleeping asnecessary.

[Richard Henry]

On Jun 27, 11:23 pm, comadrejo <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote:

> On 2012-06-28 05:41:01 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>
> > and I will probably sleep at least one night in the back of
> > my pickup, traveling at night to avoid the daytime desert heat.
>

> It is not that hot up 395, I would just try to hit Mojave early AM, and
> the worse is over by Big Pine..
>
>  I think I rather drive in heat, than drive up 395 at night.
>
>   Death Valley in the summer, well that is different.  It is to me
> equivalent of driving to the arctic in the winter, given it can be as
> life threatening.

If I leave home the evening iof the 9th, I can get up the Owens Valley
before dawn. i plan to go early enough for a natural history sidetrip
I have long planned, up the White Mountains east of Big Pine and
Bishop to the Ancient Britlecone Pine groves. sleeping will be in
the truck as necessary.

[pigo]

On Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:22:03 AM UTC-6, Richard Henry wrote:

> The cheapest accommodations in the Mammoth/June areaa \re at teh
> Econolodge in ML. I have stayed there comfortabley many times.
> However, this trip may end up just being two nights and a day on the
> road, sleeping asnecessary.

My last trip to Mammoth we just met some girls at the bar and "stayed" with them.

Cots and those foldy pads from Costco make those impromtu sleeping locations a little easier to deal with these days. But so does my RV!

[Richard Henry]

I built a removable platform big enough for a sleeping bag and pad
that just fits in my pickup bed. It is more comfortable than the
bench seat in the back of the family minivan. I usually have it in
the truck all winter, with chains and a shovel stowed underneath,
leaving room for ski gear in the rest of the bed. Right now it is
leaning up against the garage because I took it out when I helped my
son move a couple of weeks ago.

[lal_truckee]

On 6/27/12 9:22 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> Come to think of it, I was pissed when the secretary booked me into a
> fancier motel FURTHER from the office I was visiting;

I always had that problem. Secretaries must have kickback deals at
pricier hotels, because they were always trying to "upgrade" me from the
places I select. At least I hope they got kickbacks - they were underpaid.

[The Real Bev]

On 06/27/2012 11:23 PM, comadrejo wrote:

> On 2012-06-28 05:41:01 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>

>> and I will probably sleep at least one night in the back of
>> my pickup, traveling at night to avoid the daytime desert heat.
>

> It is not that hot up 395, I would just try to hit Mojave early AM, and
> the worse is over by Big Pine..

Motorcycle in July or August is miserable. Drink humongous amounts of
water at every gas stop (GoldWing needed gas every 100 miles or so), but
no need to pee because it all goes in instantly-evaporating sweat.
Rejoice in the 20-degree temperature drop when riding past the alfalfa
fields.

I love the desert.

> I think I rather drive in heat, than drive up 395 at night.
>
> Death Valley in the summer, well that is different. It is to me
> equivalent of driving to the arctic in the winter, given it can be as
> life threatening.

Another of my favorite places, but not in summer.

--
Cheers, Bev
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala,
it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet." -- Anon.

[The Real Bev]

On 06/28/2012 06:10 AM, pigo wrote:

> But I'd rather play expensive golf
> and stay cheap than the other way around. These days cheap can =
> bedbugs. Best not to go too cheap.

I thought bedbugs had invaded even expensive hotels.

[Richard Henry]

Latest development -

The "owner" (presumably MMSA or its corporate master Starwood) has put
the Rodeo Grounds lot up for sale.

http://remax-mammoth.com/property-search/detail/1/104778/june-lake-rodeo-grounds-rodeo-grounds-june-lake-ca-93529/?searchid=1477986&detoffset=5&sortby=m.DateListed%20DESC

[pigo]

On Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:29:59 AM UTC-6, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 06/28/2012 06:10 AM, pigo wrote:
>
> > But I'd rather play expensive golf
> > and stay cheap than the other way around. These days cheap can =
> > bedbugs. Best not to go too cheap.
>
> I thought bedbugs had invaded even expensive hotels.

I think so too. But not as many and an effort is (hopefully) being made to correct it when found. A credible, nationally known, hotel or chain would have alot to lose were it to be known for bedbugs. Same could be said for the cheaper ones but the people that stay in those don't have a choice.

[twobuddha]

Latest development: two and a half years after he bragged about lying to SPD and predicted that his stalking would end up with me being investigated, arrested, and convicted of writing "Emergency Soccer Game", nothing has happened and Dickless Henry still has not provided the contact info for the SPD officer who deserves a commendation for blowing him off with a FORM EMAIL!!!!!
And I'm still laughing at Henry. Always will be. Latest development: more humiliation for this psychopathic stalking piece of shit coward.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:19:02 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha
<scot...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:

>> >
>>
>> BTW, somebody ask Trunky what it's like to sleep behind bars.
>
>Damned if I know, Huggies. What is it like to sleep in diapers,
>especially after you dream of me finding you and you foul
>yourself? Do you change yourself or do you have your momma do it?

I don't know. Unlike you, I don't sleep with my momma.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:01:43 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha
<scot...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:

So Richard, you are going to travel at night to avoid the daytime
heat? That means you will have to sleep during the day. It makes
more sense to travel during the day with the air conditioning on and
sleep during the cool nights.

[Richard Henry]

On Jun 28, 12:33 pm, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:01:43 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha

> <scott...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:

I am going to be in the nice cool mountains during the day.

[lal_truckee]

On 6/28/12 9:29 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> I thought bedbugs had invaded even expensive hotels.

Yeah, but it's a much better class of bedbug.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:22:24 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:

>

>See above. Come to think of it, I was pissed when the secretary booked
>me into a fancier motel FURTHER from the office I was visiting; I
>worked until 3 am and got up at 6 am AND had a longer trip to and from
>the office. Waste is waste no matter who's paying the bills.

I should introduce you to the Army.

vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

[twobuddha]

You don't? You keep bragging about doing so when you go to Florida.
Speaking of which, you pathetic diaper boi, you keep ducking the demand that you provide the dates and crimes you claim I have committed. You know, the criminal record?
How pathetic. How typical of Huggies Horvath. One thing for sure: he never has had and never will have the balls to talk shit like this in person. Typical rsa freak.

[Richard Henry]

On Jun 28, 12:50 pm, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:22:24 -0700, The Real Bev

> <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:

>
>
>
> >See above.  Come to think of it, I was pissed when the secretary booked
> >me into a fancier motel FURTHER from the office I was visiting;  I
> >worked until 3 am and got up at 6 am AND had a longer trip to and from
> >the office.  Waste is waste no matter who's paying the bills.
>
> I should introduce you to the Army.

Or the Navy--

Remember Autovon? Whenever the Enterprise tied up in Subic Bay, we
could make free calls (subject to priority) anywhere in North America.

And then there was the time in the Indian Ocean while supplies were
being heloed out to the ship from Diego Garcia that the members of our
coffee mess were able to buy pallets of US-canned soft drinks (100
cases each pallet) for less than 10 cents a can so that we could then
sell them to our shipmates for 20 cents.

[twobuddha]

On Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:34:24 PM UTC-7, Richard Henry wrote:
> On Jun 28, 12:50 pm, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:22:24 -0700, The Real Bev
> > <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
> >
> >
> >
> > >See above.  Come to think of it, I was pissed when the secretary booked
> > >me into a fancier motel FURTHER from the office I was visiting;  I
> > >worked until 3 am and got up at 6 am AND had a longer trip to and from
> > >the office.  Waste is waste no matter who's paying the bills.
> >
> > I should introduce you to the Army.
>
> Or the Navy--

From what I hear, Ashley entertained every soldier and sailor she met.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:34:24 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry
<pome...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:

>> I should introduce you to the Army.
>
>Or the Navy--
>
>Remember Autovon?

Duh? I was in the Signal Corpse. We would call ourselves around the
world just to see if it was working properly.

I ordered a pizza once from a bivouac site. They wouldn't deliver even
when I told them the evening password.

Vote for Romney Repeal the nightmares.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha
<scot...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:

>
>

>From what I hear, Ashley entertained every soldier and sailor she met.

Did your mother tell you that? She was jealous.

[twobuddha]

On Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:53:06 PM UTC-7, (unknown) wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:34:24 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry
>

> wrote this crap:
>
> >> I should introduce you to the Army.
> >
> >Or the Navy--
> >
> >Remember Autovon?
>
> Duh? I was in the Signal Corpse. We would call ourselves around the
> world just to see if it was working properly.
>
> I ordered a pizza once from a bivouac site. They wouldn't deliver even

> when I told them the evening password.\

As I thought. Horvath was a telephone operator. The great Hungarian dial tone guy.

[twobuddha]

On Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:56:14 PM UTC-7, (unknown) wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha
> <scot...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >
> >
> >From what I hear, Ashley entertained every soldier and sailor she met.
>
> Did your mother tell you that? She was jealous.

You're showing YOUR jealousy, since you might be the only soldier she didn't bone. Too bad. She looks like a monkey, and you love fucking monkeys.

[The Real Bev]

On 06/28/2012 09:45 PM, comadrejo wrote:

> Are you planning to take the Jeep Trails to or around 11k up the Whites
> to see the Pines?
>
> I remember reading a story about a USFS Ranger or NPS rangers in the
> 1950s or 1960s who either cut down a Bristlecone Pine or killed it to
> get a core sample and was shocked when they realized they cut down one
> of oldest living things on the planet.

That's horrible. I think the FS tries to keep the location reasonably
secret. The fact that some creosote bushes might be much older is no
consolation; bristlecones are much prettier than creosote bushes.

Is the "Frog Tree" at Cedar Breaks still there? Husband and son walked
out to it, but I was too tired and just took a telephoto shot. One of
these days I'm going to scan all those prints...

> I would probably leave early enough to get past Victorville and
> Ridgecrest before it heats up, and I think the heat dies down as one
> passes the semi ghost town of Olancha, and one gradually climbs to 4k
> in elevation..

We rode from Berkeley through Yosemite and down 395 all the way to LA.
All of 395 was miserable.

> On your link that you post on June Lake Rodeo Grounds. I am guessing
> that MMSA/Starwood needs cash, and needs it before the start of the
> next season. 80 or so acres is nice and all but $2.9 million is way,
> way overpriced if there are no water rights or no increase in the water
> usage. The only client that I can see buying that without wanting to
> develop it into something big is the Department of Defense.

--
Cheers, Bev
========================================================
"We don't know how smart people can be, but we know that
dumb goes all the way to zero." -- Joe Chew

[Richard Henry]

On Jun 28, 9:45 pm, comadrejo <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote:
> On 2012-06-28 13:17:45 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>
>
>
>
>

> Are you planning to take the Jeep Trails to or around 11k up the Whites
> to see the Pines?
>
> I remember reading a story about a USFS Ranger or NPS rangers in the
> 1950s or 1960s who either cut down a Bristlecone Pine or killed it to
> get a core sample and was shocked when they realized they cut down one
> of oldest living things on the planet.
>

>   I would probably leave early enough to get past Victorville and
> Ridgecrest before it heats up, and I think the heat dies down as one
> passes the semi ghost town of Olancha, and one gradually climbs to 4k
> in elevation..
>

> On your link that you post on June Lake Rodeo Grounds.  I am guessing
> that MMSA/Starwood needs cash, and needs it before the start of the
> next season.  80 or so acres is nice and all but $2.9 million is way,
> way overpriced if there are no water rights or no increase in the water
> usage. The only client that I can see buying that without wanting to

> develop it into something big is the Department of Defense.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The tree in question was in Nevada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(tree)

In 1985, Dave McCoy bought June Mt because he ran ski areas for a
living. He had impossibly-great dreams to connect it eventually to
Mammoth through a series of lift s and trails across 6 or so miles of
lifts and trails. It was also useful as a site for snowboarders who
were not allowed at MM at that time.

In the 90's McCoy started selling off pieces of MM to Intrawest. They
wre more in the business of developing eral estate next to resorts, so
they initiated what became the Village in Mammoth Lakes and bought and
swapped land across the road from June withe same object in mind.
However, they proposed a 6-story plus 2 parking ;levels in a little
town that doesn;t even have any buildings over three stories. Local
resistance plus a declining RE market killed that off.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:13:36 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha

<scot...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:

>On Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:56:14 PM UTC-7, (unknown) wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha
>> <scot...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >From what I hear, Ashley entertained every soldier and sailor she met.
>>
>> Did your mother tell you that? She was jealous.
>
>You're showing YOUR jealousy, since you might
> be the only soldier she didn't bone. Too bad.
> She looks like a monkey, and you love fucking monkeys.

Is that why your mother keeps calling me?

No, wait. She keeps fucking you.

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:14:24 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha
<scot...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:

I operated on telephones, radios, RATT vans and anything in
communications. In a few weeks I'm giving a class to pilots at the
airport on radio procedure.

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

[twobuddha]

As I thought. The Mighty Hungarian REMF telephone operator. Hey, when you give a class to pilots, are you going to teach them how to change your diapers?

[Richard Henry]

On Jun 22, 9:44 pm, Richard Henry <pomer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Radio interview with MMSA GM Rusty Gregory--
>
> http://kiwi6.com/file/71r8xi2481

Email from MMSA CEO

>>>

As a Mammoth Value Pass member I want to inform you personally of a
very difficult decision I made last week. After a great deal of
thought and deliberation precipitated by this year's drought and weak
market demand, I have decided not to open June Mountain for operations
this summer and the following winter.
June Mountain was purchased by Mammoth Mountain Ski Area in 1986. As
you undoubtedly know, it is an intimate and relaxed ski resort of a
bygone era, located in one of the most beautiful settings in the
Eastern Sierra. Despite these natural attributes and our best efforts
over the last 26 years, we have been unable to attract the number of
skiers and riders required for June Mountain to sustain itself. Over
the last several years, which have been marked by global financial
crisis, recession and droughts, ticket and pass sales have slipped
steadily from 80,000-100,000 to an average of 35,000-45,000 per
winter.

As much as I believe that June Mountain can be a viable and successful
mountain resort, it is clear this will not happen by continuing to
operate the ski area the same way we have been for 26 years and hoping
for a different result. It is time to redirect some of the annual
subsidy June requires to investment in the analysis and planning
required to correctly position June Mountain for a sustainable future,
then to do the work to secure the regulatory approvals and financing
required to create it.

Your MVP membership purchased this spring includes lift privileges at
June Mountain for winter 2012-13. The purpose of this letter is
twofold: 1. I want to be open and transparent about my decisions,
especially the difficult ones; 2. I want you to know I am acutely
aware that you bought your MVP membership believing that June Mountain
would be in full operation. We will provide a full and immediate
refund to any 2012-13 MVP member, upon request during the month of
July, who would like to reverse their purchase because of my decision
not to open June Mountain this summer and next winter. Please refer to
the refund instructions on our website for details on how to receive a
refund.

I have said many times MVP members are our most important guests. It
is my intent to be personally accountable to you for my actions and
decisions as the CEO of MMSA. If you have any questions or comments
please call me personally on my direct line at 760.934.0731.

[Richard Henry]

Today's Mammoth Times news

http://www.mammothtimes.com/content/gregory-irresponsible-me-have-not-faced-facts-sooner

>>>
With all the talk about other parties buying June Mountain (see
accompanying story on p.1), with the emerging protests, the bottom
line is June Mountain is built on land that does not belong to any
single person. Every citizen in the country owns it. It is not private
land, but public land.

The only thing MMSA owns is the developed properties on the mountain.

The ski area was built before WWII on United States Forest Service
Inyo National Forest land. Today, MMSA holds what is known as a
“special use permit” that allows it to operate a ski area on federal
land. Gregory signed it on Jan. 2, 2006, and it is good for 50 years.

The catch is that the permit is valid only if MMSA operates the ski
area under the criteria and conditions established by the Forest
Service.

The permit is 16 pages and makes clear that in the end, what the Inyo
National Forest giveth, the Inyo National forest can taketh away.

“This use (as a ski area) shall normally be exercised at least 365
days a year or season,” the permit reads. “Failure of the holder to
exercise this minimum use may result in termination…”

The permit further reads: “The Forest Service may suspend or revoke
this permit in whole or part” for several reasons, including “failure
of the holder to exercise the privileges granted by this permit,”
amidst other reasons.

Nancy Upham, the public information officer for the forest, said
Thursday that every permit is dealt with on a case-by-case basis. That
means sitting down and talking to Gregory and/or other MMSA
representatives.

“We need to discuss this with them, understand their plans and know
that they fully understand that their permitted use could be
terminated,” she said, adding that the meeting would probably not
occur until the week of July 9, since both Gregory and the forest’s
supervisor, Ed Armenta, are out of the area until that week.

[The Real Bev]

On 06/28/2012 10:31 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 06/28/2012 09:45 PM, comadrejo wrote:
>
>> I remember reading a story about a USFS Ranger or NPS rangers in the
>> 1950s or 1960s who either cut down a Bristlecone Pine or killed it to
>> get a core sample and was shocked when they realized they cut down one
>> of oldest living things on the planet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_R._Currey

He was a fucking STUDENT. Died in 2004 at the age of 70. Not soon
enough. You just aren't allowed to be that stupid.

> That's horrible. I think the FS tries to keep the location reasonably
> secret. The fact that some creosote bushes might be much older is no
> consolation; bristlecones are much prettier than creosote bushes.

--
Cheers, Bev
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
I remember when everybody posted to Usenet with their real, deliverable
e-mail address. Of all the sins committed by the spammers, destroying
the viability of the open Internet was the worst.
(Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, news.admin.net-abuse.email)

[twobuddha]

On Friday, June 29, 2012 10:18:06 PM UTC-7, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 06/28/2012 10:31 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> > On 06/28/2012 09:45 PM, comadrejo wrote:
> >
> >> I remember reading a story about a USFS Ranger or NPS rangers in the
> >> 1950s or 1960s who either cut down a Bristlecone Pine or killed it to
> >> get a core sample and was shocked when they realized they cut down one
> >> of oldest living things on the planet.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_R._Currey
>
> He was a fucking STUDENT. Died in 2004 at the age of 70. Not soon
> enough. You just aren't allowed to be that stupid.

Really? Then why are you still alive? You're a psychopathic pathological liar who hangs out on rsa. Stupid is as stupid does.
Want to tell me again how death threats don't count if nobody tries to kill me? Fuck, that's stupid.
To clinch the argument, you are a teabagger. Why aren't you dead? Just asking.

[Richard Henry]

Mono County Supervisors meeting included reports and cmments on June
Mt closure

http://thesheetnews.com/archives/14474

[Richard Henry]

Tonight I attended the June Lake commnity meeting where Rusty Gregory
addressed the community and opened himself up to all comments and
questions. The community cneter meeting room was overlowing, the
adjacent kitchen was filled with chairs, as was the smaller meeting
room. There were people standing around outside listening as well.

The high point of the meeting was when Bud Hayward, the original
operator of June Mountain, got up to speak, even though he said he was
not interested in taking over the mountain again.

The low point of the meeting came when Rusty Gregory (CEO of MMSA,
plus part owner and one of the junior creditors) told the crowd they
needed to get off their asses and support air service.

The head of Inyo National Forest announced that he is serving MMSA
with a letter of non-compliance of their operating permit. That got a
big cheer.

The mpost interesting part to me was when Gregory got up to speak for
abut the third time. He presented some summary financials -

MMSA business plan is to earn about $45 million/year after direct
expenses. $17 million goes to interest on their long-term debt, $10
million to paying down the debt, and about $10 million to capital
replacements and improvements.

In 2011-12 MMSA made only about $23 million. They were about to go
into default on their debt payments, but Wells Fargo Bank, their
biggest lender proposed a restructuring of the debt if the other 5
banks involved would agree. With a week to go before the banks called
the loan, the other banks demanded that expenses be cut further in
order for them to go along with the new debt plan. Closing June
Mountain for the upcoming season was how that was done.

[Richard Henry]

A longer report on the meeting -

https://www.facebook.com/SaveJuneMountain/posts/247168602068136

[Richard Henry]

Photo of a financial sheet presented by Rusty Gregory at the meeting
--

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247116255406704&set=a.244961372288859.52515.238104929641170&type=3&theater

[twobuddha]

How about a photo of the FORM EMAIL? Amazing how you continue to ignore reality, ignore your own humiliation, ignore getting busted in your pathetic lies, and vainly try to ignore the reality that you are a dickless, stalking, lying piece of shit coward.
CONTACT INFO?

On Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:10:04 AM UTC-7, Richard Henry wrote:
> On Jul 11, 7:29 am, Richard Henry &lt;pomer...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt; On Jul 10, 10:44 pm, Richard Henry &lt;pomer...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; Tonight I attended the June Lake commnity meeting where Rusty Gregory
> &gt; &gt; addressed the community and opened himself up to all comments and
> &gt; &gt; questions.  The community cneter meeting room was overlowing, the
> &gt; &gt; adjacent kitchen was filled with chairs, as was the smaller meeting
> &gt; &gt; room.  There were people standing around outside listening as well.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; The high point of the meeting was when Bud Hayward, the original
> &gt; &gt; operator of June Mountain, got up to speak, even though he said he was
> &gt; &gt; not interested in taking over the mountain again.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; The low point of the meeting came when Rusty Gregory (CEO of MMSA,
> &gt; &gt; plus part owner and one of the junior creditors) told the crowd they
> &gt; &gt; needed to get off their asses and support air service.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; The head of Inyo National Forest announced that he is serving MMSA
> &gt; &gt; with a letter of non-compliance of their operating permit.  That got a
> &gt; &gt; big cheer.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; The mpost interesting part to me was when Gregory got up to speak for
> &gt; &gt; abut the third time.  He presented some summary financials -
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; MMSA business plan is to earn about $45 million/year after direct
> &gt; &gt; expenses.  $17 million goes to interest on their long-term debt, $10
> &gt; &gt; million to paying down the debt, and about $10 million to capital
> &gt; &gt; replacements and improvements.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; In 2011-12 MMSA made only about $23 million.  They were about to go
> &gt; &gt; into default on their debt payments, but Wells Fargo Bank, their
> &gt; &gt; biggest lender proposed a restructuring of the debt if the other 5
> &gt; &gt; banks involved would agree.  With a week to go before the banks called
> &gt; &gt; the loan, the other banks demanded that expenses be cut further in
> &gt; &gt; order for them to go along with the new debt plan.  Closing June
> &gt; &gt; Mountain for the upcoming season was how that was done.
> &gt;
> &gt; A longer report on the meeting -
> &gt;
> &gt; https://www.facebook.com/SaveJuneMountain/posts/247168602068136

>
> Photo of a financial sheet presented by Rusty Gregory at the meeting
> --
>

> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247116255406704&amp;set=a.244961372288859.52515.238104929641170&amp;type=3&amp;theater

[Horva...@net.net]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:20:49 -0700, comadrejo <comadr...@mac.com>
wrote this crap:

>On 2012-07-11 05:44:11 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>
>> The low point of the meeting came when Rusty Gregory (CEO of MMSA,
>> plus part owner and one of the junior creditors) told the crowd they
>> needed to get off their asses and support air service.
>

> First, the FAA has stated that allowing larger jets to Mammoth Lakes
>is a non starter, given it would be one of the highest airports in the
>US, with some horrific cross winds.

That could be true. Mammoth Yosemite (KMMH) is 6990 feet long and is
suitable for commuter jets, but the elevation is 7128 feet, and is
built in a canyon. I'll try landing there this evening in the
simulator.
Today the winds are calm, visibility is 50 miles, clear skies, temp
53, dew point 30, altimeter 30.26.

Close by Eastern Sierra Regional (KBIH) is suitable for large jets
with three runways of which the longest is 7497 feet. Elevation is
4120 feet and it is built on a plateau. I'm sure a shuttle bus can be
used.

Also not to far away is an international airport, Fresno Yosemite Intl
(KFAT). The longest runway is 9213 feet. Elevation 336 feet. You can
land a 747 there. It's even equipped with ILS, instrument landing
system.

[Richard Henry]

> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247116255406704&set=a.24496137...

I had planned to drive up Monday with a side trip to the White
Mountains east of Bishop and the old trees up there, but my son threw
a joker at me by borrowing my pickup to help his girlfriend move
furniture into her apartment at San Francisco State, and then stay at
Davis for the summer pre-pre-season soccer practice. He traded me his
car (94 Mercedes) which I didn't want to put through the dirt roads up
on the mountain ridges.

To swap the cars back, I drove up to Davis Sunday-Monday night, and
then over to South Lake Tahoe to spend the night. Tuesday I drove down
395 to June Lake, and then Wednesday I went over Tioga Pass and
through Yosemite NP, including a side trip to Glacier Point where I
have not been for almost 40 years. It was a beautiful drive overall,
but exhausting.

[Richard Henry]

> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247116255406704&set=a.24496137...

Local news report on the meeting

http://www.sierrawave.net/13047/june-lake-to-rusty-we-want-our-mountain-open/

[twobuddha]

On Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:37:26 AM UTC-7, (unknown) wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:20:49 -0700, comadrejo &lt;comadr...@mac.com&gt;
> wrote this crap:
>
> &gt;On 2012-07-11 05:44:11 +0000, Richard Henry said:
> &gt;
> &gt;&gt; The low point of the meeting came when Rusty Gregory (CEO of MMSA,
> &gt;&gt; plus part owner and one of the junior creditors) told the crowd they
> &gt;&gt; needed to get off their asses and support air service.
> &gt;
> &gt; First, the FAA has stated that allowing larger jets to Mammoth Lakes
> &gt;is a non starter, given it would be one of the highest airports in the
> &gt;US, with some horrific cross winds.

>
> That could be true. Mammoth Yosemite (KMMH) is 6990 feet long and is
> suitable for commuter jets, but the elevation is 7128 feet, and is

> built in a canyon. I&#39;ll try landing there this evening in the

> simulator.
> Today the winds are calm, visibility is 50 miles, clear skies, temp
> 53, dew point 30, altimeter 30.26.
>

Yo, Huggies? Do you play a simulation game where you show up and try to make good on your threats?
Maybe one where you act like a man and talk shit to my face?
Of course you do. Though I bet you have to diaper up to play them, even if you are just hiding behind your computer.

[twobuddha]

RSA news report: Dickless Henry is still pussying out on providing contact info for the SPD officer that blew him off with a FORM EMAIL!!!!!

On Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:03:28 AM UTC-7, Richard Henry wrote:
> On Jul 12, 5:10 am, Richard Henry &lt;pomer...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:

> &gt; On Jul 11, 7:29 am, Richard Henry &lt;pomer...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;

> &gt; &gt; On Jul 10, 10:44 pm, Richard Henry &lt;pomer...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;

> &gt; &gt; &gt; Tonight I attended the June Lake commnity meeting where Rusty Gregory
> &gt; &gt; &gt; addressed the community and opened himself up to all comments and
> &gt; &gt; &gt; questions.  The community cneter meeting room was overlowing, the
> &gt; &gt; &gt; adjacent kitchen was filled with chairs, as was the smaller meeting
> &gt; &gt; &gt; room.  There were people standing around outside listening as well.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; The high point of the meeting was when Bud Hayward, the original
> &gt; &gt; &gt; operator of June Mountain, got up to speak, even though he said he was
> &gt; &gt; &gt; not interested in taking over the mountain again.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; The low point of the meeting came when Rusty Gregory (CEO of MMSA,
> &gt; &gt; &gt; plus part owner and one of the junior creditors) told the crowd they
> &gt; &gt; &gt; needed to get off their asses and support air service.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; The head of Inyo National Forest announced that he is serving MMSA
> &gt; &gt; &gt; with a letter of non-compliance of their operating permit.  That got a
> &gt; &gt; &gt; big cheer.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; The mpost interesting part to me was when Gregory got up to speak for
> &gt; &gt; &gt; abut the third time.  He presented some summary financials -
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; MMSA business plan is to earn about $45 million/year after direct
> &gt; &gt; &gt; expenses.  $17 million goes to interest on their long-term debt, $10
> &gt; &gt; &gt; million to paying down the debt, and about $10 million to capital
> &gt; &gt; &gt; replacements and improvements.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; In 2011-12 MMSA made only about $23 million.  They were about to go
> &gt; &gt; &gt; into default on their debt payments, but Wells Fargo Bank, their
> &gt; &gt; &gt; biggest lender proposed a restructuring of the debt if the other 5
> &gt; &gt; &gt; banks involved would agree.  With a week to go before the banks called
> &gt; &gt; &gt; the loan, the other banks demanded that expenses be cut further in
> &gt; &gt; &gt; order for them to go along with the new debt plan.  Closing June
> &gt; &gt; &gt; Mountain for the upcoming season was how that was done.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; A longer report on the meeting -
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt;https://www.facebook.com/SaveJuneMountain/posts/247168602068136
> &gt;
> &gt; Photo of a financial sheet presented by Rusty Gregory at the meeting
> &gt; --
> &gt;
> &gt; http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247116255406704&amp;set=a.24496137...

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:37:26 -0400, Horva...@net.net wrote this
crap:

>On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:20:49 -0700, comadrejo <comadr...@mac.com>
>wrote this crap:
>
>>On 2012-07-11 05:44:11 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>>
>>> The low point of the meeting came when Rusty Gregory (CEO of MMSA,
>>> plus part owner and one of the junior creditors) told the crowd they
>>> needed to get off their asses and support air service.
>>
>> First, the FAA has stated that allowing larger jets to Mammoth Lakes
>>is a non starter, given it would be one of the highest airports in the
>>US, with some horrific cross winds.
>
>That could be true. Mammoth Yosemite (KMMH) is 6990 feet long and is
>suitable for commuter jets, but the elevation is 7128 feet, and is
>built in a canyon. I'll try landing there this evening in the
>simulator.

It was easier than I thought. I flew a 737 from the East. After
clearing the ridge you go low, over the lake and the sides of the
canyon shield you from the winds. I knew that runway would be long
enough for a commercial jet. I landed with plenty to spare. Anybody
could do it. And I'm not even a pilot.

[Richard Henry]

On Jul 12, 9:52 pm, comadrejo <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote:

> On 2012-07-12 18:03:28 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>
> > Local news report on the meeting
>

> >http://www.sierrawave.net/13047/june-lake-to-rusty-we-want-our-mounta...
>
> After reading this article,  there seemed to be alot of shadow puppet
> theatre on both sides, but especially MMSA.
>
>   Rusty Gregory's answer that June Mountain needs 1000 rooms built to
> make the mountain feasible, is probably some way to discourage any sort
> of plan to re opened June Mountain, with a very high goal that cannot
> be reached.
>
> Second it is very quixotic for Mr. Gregory to complain that June
> Mountain has lost money for years, but the way out of the mess is to
> accumulate much more debt, and doubling down the odds, by acquring huge
> loans, (with high interest rates) to construct a high end resort or
> 1000 room capacity, which will probably never be filled.  (it also
> would probably never get passed an environmental impact report, given
> the precarious water situation)  If any revenue that came from visitors
> would be to pay off the loans, as MMSA is probably doing for all their
> loans at this moment.
>
>   A Casino is hardly an answer for June.  This is one of the most
> isolated areas in the Continental US, to get there, travellers will
> either have to go through Reno, South Lake Tahoe and Carson City from
> the North, and Vegas will be a much more powerful attraction from those
> travelling from the South and Southern California.  They can't compete
> against such gambling juggernauts.
>
>   The two big problems for a stable economy in the area, are money and
> especially water.  They need to diversified their economy, and the last
> thing they should do, is try to appeal MMSA, in many ways to they need
> to get away from their dependence from them.
>
>   Can June Mountain be an economically feasible ski area? It looks from
> the balance sheet/financial sheet, it can be. However, I think June
> Mountain should be closed until a new owner takes over, or the area
> tries to find others way to make money that is not dependent on a tough
> business, with very tight and small watershed, and probably greatly
> effected from climate change.
>
>   I really don't have answers, but I think a better townhall meeting
> for June Mountain residents is having an expert on rural economies, or
> western regional economist.  They have very limited options, given the
> water problem, the isolation, the lack of infrastructure, and right now
> in California, a huge amount of foreclosure and very miserly banks, who
> are not going to open their wallets as they did in early 2000s.

If my notes are correct, Gregory acknowledged the 350 or so beds
available in the basin and said that 1000 more beds are needed. He
defined Jun e Mt.capacity as 6500 customers on a given day, and
asserted that overnight beds were needed for 25%-40% of that figure.
The remainder is presumably locals, day visitors and second home/condo
owners.

[lal_truckee]

On 7/12/12 9:52 PM, comadrejo wrote:
>
> Rusty Gregory's answer that June Mountain needs 1000 rooms built to
> make the mountain feasible,

Bzzzzzt
Merely upgrade Tioga Pass road to all-weather freeway.
This would also serve to get more park visitors momentarily closer to
the Yosemite sights but discourage stopping and clogging up the park.
As long as we're talking upgrades for under-utilized state recreation
areas, think of how many ice cream parlors and fast food joints they
could put in Bodie, if they had more traffic over Tioga.

[Richard Henry]

Or Sonora Pass a few miles further north. Upgrading to an all-winter
road there would be a similar effort to Tioga Pass and would leave
Yosemite unmolested.

[adios...@gmail.com]

June Lake Citizen Advisory Committee Meeting Recap by Karrah Spitznagel

http://www.mrablog.com/june-lake-citizen-advisory-committee-meeting-recap-by-karrah-spitznagel/

On Friday, June 22, 2012 12:21:39 PM UTC-8, Richard Henry wrote:
> MMSA official statement --
>
> ***
> June 21, 2012
> Rusty Gregory, Mammoth Mountain Ski Area Chairman and CEO, announced
> today the company will not operate June Mountain this summer and for
> the upcoming 2012-13 winter season. “June has operated at an annual
> deficit each year since its purchase in 1986,” said Gregory. “It is
> time to invest some of this subsidy into the analysis and planning
> required to position the resort for a sustainable future, then secure
> the approvals and financing required to create it.”
>
> Mammoth purchased June Mountain in 1986 with the idea of significantly
> increasing the size of the resort by building new facilities,
> extending new runs to the June Lake Village, and fostering additional
> developed ski areas along the San Joaquin Ridge, resulting in a
> connection between Mammoth and June Mountains. For a number of
> reasons, these plans were never realized and June Mountain has, in
> turn, suffered from an identity crisis that has both stifled its
> ability to achieve its full potential and required substantial
> financial subsidy from Mammoth on an annual basis. Cessation of
> operations will help the company dedicate its focus to a new future
> for June Mountain. Mammoth will be working with its partner the U.S.
> Forest Service to reach the best possible result in this endeavor.
>
> In the weeks to come, Mammoth will be working to determine if and to
> what extent it can absorb June’s year round workforce.
>
> Mammoth Mountain will continue to offer world-class skiing,
> snowboarding and summer activities for locals and visitors to the
> region.
>
> Mammoth Mountain has operated continuously under permit from the U.S.
> Forest Service since 1954, and operated both resorts for the past 26
> years. Mammoth Mountain Ski Area also owns and operates a variety of
> resort businesses including recreation, hospitality, food and beverage
> and retail including Mammoth Mountain Ski Area, Tamarack Lodge and
> Resort, Mammoth Snowmobile Adventures, Woolly’s Adventure Summit,
> Mammoth Mountain Bike Park and the Mammoth Mountain Inn. Mammoth
> Mountain also operates Juniper Springs Resort, the Village at Mammoth,
> and Sierra Star Golf Course.
> ***
>
> Long discussions here --
>
> http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&amp;t=13693
>
> http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=13706

[The Real Bev]

Am I the only one who remembers when Tioga was a narrow one-way
[possibly dirt] road and cars were taken across in convoys? If so,
check out The Long Long Trailer with Lucille Ball.

--
Cheers, Bev
_______________________________________________________
I love the way Microsoft follows standards. In much the
same manner that fish follow migrating caribou.
-- Paul Tomblin

[Richard Henry]

I don't remember that, but route 140 through the El Portal entrance to
Yosemite is still limited to one lane for a short stretch due to a
rockslide that started in 2006 and apparently is still going.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ferguson+slide&view=detail&id=A03F6ACD9210A8B9ECFB779325C0AA01B8B77246

[Richard Henry]

And a few concluding notes from the trip - the June Lake Villager
Motel where I stayed is a homey little place - several building that
look like they were built one at a time by the owner. I had room 111,
a King/Kitchen unit, which means a mini-kitchen across the breakfast
bar from the bed. I especially liked the combination electric range
and sink. The room was good size, clean, nice view of the lake and
mountains, but no telephone or AC, and the electric outlets were all 2-
prong, except for the plugs in the bathroom (my computer power cord
just reached from there to a chair beside the bed).

I don't think June Mountain can survive financially as a business
separate from Mammoth unless there are some upgrades (J1 is an
obstacle to new customers) and some attraction distinct from Mammoth.
In the 80s and 90s the distinction was services to snowboarders before
Mammoth allowed them and relief from the long liftlines at Mammoth.
However, Mammoth has permitted snowboards for years, and the
conversion of many of Mammoth's chairs to HS quads has reduced the
waits.

[twobuddha]

Speaking of waits, I've been waiting for two and a half years for you to provide the contact info for the SPD officer who blew you off with a FORM EMAIL. Same for Baker to make good on his promise to lie to the cops. Same for Bob Thompson to provide the contact info for the SPD lieutenant he claimed was going to put me in prison, or the RCMP Mountie who was going to ban me from entering Canada. And of course, I've been waiting twelve years or so for Ted Waldron to show the post. Or give contact info for the SPD officer he claimed is monitoring my every move.
Now THAT's patience. And humiliation. For you freaks, freak.

On Monday, July 16, 2012 7:16:48 PM UTC-7, Richard Henry wrote:
> On Jul 12, 8:48 am, Richard Henry &lt;pomer...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:

> &gt; On Jul 12, 5:10 am, Richard Henry &lt;pomer...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;

> &gt; &gt; On Jul 11, 7:29 am, Richard Henry &lt;pomer...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;

> &gt; &gt; &gt; On Jul 10, 10:44 pm, Richard Henry &lt;pomer...@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> &gt;

> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Tonight I attended the June Lake commnity meeting where Rusty Gregory
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; addressed the community and opened himself up to all comments and
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; questions.  The community cneter meeting room was overlowing, the
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; adjacent kitchen was filled with chairs, as was the smaller meeting
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; room.  There were people standing around outside listening as well.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The high point of the meeting was when Bud Hayward, the original
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; operator of June Mountain, got up to speak, even though he said he was
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; not interested in taking over the mountain again.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The low point of the meeting came when Rusty Gregory (CEO of MMSA,
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; plus part owner and one of the junior creditors) told the crowd they
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; needed to get off their asses and support air service.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The head of Inyo National Forest announced that he is serving MMSA
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; with a letter of non-compliance of their operating permit.  That got a
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; big cheer.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The mpost interesting part to me was when Gregory got up to speak for
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; abut the third time.  He presented some summary financials -
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; MMSA business plan is to earn about $45 million/year after direct
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; expenses.  $17 million goes to interest on their long-term debt, $10
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; million to paying down the debt, and about $10 million to capital
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; replacements and improvements.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; In 2011-12 MMSA made only about $23 million.  They were about to go
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; into default on their debt payments, but Wells Fargo Bank, their
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; biggest lender proposed a restructuring of the debt if the other 5
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; banks involved would agree.  With a week to go before the banks called
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the loan, the other banks demanded that expenses be cut further in
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; order for them to go along with the new debt plan.  Closing June
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mountain for the upcoming season was how that was done.
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; A longer report on the meeting -
> &gt;

> &gt; &gt; &gt;https://www.facebook.com/SaveJuneMountain/posts/247168602068136
> &gt;

> &gt; &gt; Photo of a financial sheet presented by Rusty Gregory at the meeting
> &gt; &gt; --
> &gt;

> &gt; &gt;http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247116255406704&amp;set=a.24496137...

> &gt;
> &gt; I had planned to drive up Monday with a side trip to the White
> &gt; Mountains east of Bishop and the old trees up there, but my son threw
> &gt; a joker at me by borrowing my pickup to help his girlfriend move
> &gt; furniture into her apartment at San Francisco State, and then stay at
> &gt; Davis for the summer pre-pre-season soccer practice.  He traded me his
> &gt; car (94 Mercedes) which I didn&#39;t want to put through the dirt roads up
> &gt; on the mountain ridges.
> &gt;
> &gt; To swap the cars back, I drove up to Davis Sunday-Monday night, and
> &gt; then over to South Lake Tahoe to spend the night. Tuesday I drove down
> &gt; 395 to June Lake, and then Wednesday I went over Tioga Pass and
> &gt; through Yosemite NP, including a side trip to Glacier Point where I
> &gt; have not been for almost 40 years.  It was a beautiful drive overall,
> &gt; but exhausting.

>
> And a few concluding notes from the trip - the June Lake Villager
> Motel where I stayed is a homey little place - several building that
> look like they were built one at a time by the owner. I had room 111,
> a King/Kitchen unit, which means a mini-kitchen across the breakfast
> bar from the bed. I especially liked the combination electric range
> and sink. The room was good size, clean, nice view of the lake and
> mountains, but no telephone or AC, and the electric outlets were all 2-
> prong, except for the plugs in the bathroom (my computer power cord
> just reached from there to a chair beside the bed).
>

> I don&#39;t think June Mountain can survive financially as a business

> separate from Mammoth unless there are some upgrades (J1 is an
> obstacle to new customers) and some attraction distinct from Mammoth.
> In the 80s and 90s the distinction was services to snowboarders before
> Mammoth allowed them and relief from the long liftlines at Mammoth.
> However, Mammoth has permitted snowboards for years, and the

> conversion of many of Mammoth&#39;s chairs to HS quads has reduced the
> waits.

[pigo]

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:12:13 AM UTC-6, comadrejo wrote:
> On 2012-07-17 02:16:48 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>
> &gt; I don&#39;t think June Mountain can survive financially as a business
> &gt; separate from Mammoth unless there are some upgrades (J1 is an
> &gt; obstacle to new customers) and some attraction distinct fro
>
> I don&#39;t think they can survive as part of MMSA. MMSA has its own
> serious problems when 37% of their earnings are just going to pay
> interest on their debt.

I knew the snowboard fad was going to die out. I didn't expect them to take the industry with them. Oh well. I'm pretty much done with it anyway.

[Richard Henry]

On Jul 17, 6:12 am, comadrejo <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote:
> On 2012-07-17 02:16:48 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>

> > I don't think June Mountain can survive financially as a business
> > separate from Mammoth unless there are some upgrades (J1 is an
> > obstacle to new customers) and some attraction distinct fro
>

> I don't think they can survive as part of MMSA.  MMSA has its own

> serious problems when 37% of their earnings are just going to pay
> interest on their debt.

I think the debt was inevitable in order to raise enough cash to win
the bidding war for McCoy's stake. He built the business with little
long-term debt, plowing profits back into capital improvements every
year, even helping out with loans to keep June alive through lean
years before he bought it.

Splitting June off should result in smaller debt for that part, since
MMSA has done such a good job of presenting it as a money-loser. In
addition to the purchase cost, throw in another $5-10 million for the
minimal upgrades (new J1 and snowmaking on the face).

The estimates presented at the various meetings and documents filed in
support of the Rodeo Grounds development proposal seem to indicate
that June would be viable with 120,000 skier visits a year, a number
achieved only once since MMSA acquired it. There are 30 (or fewer)
peak days in a ski season (weekends and holidays) and the capacity was
estimated at 6500 customers. That pencils out to a possible 195,000
visits, plus whatever comes in during weekdays and early and late
season. Of course, June loses a lot of its charm if it is crowded.

[lal_truckee]

June would be monstrously crowded at 6500 tickets - why would someone
pass up MM to ski crowded June?
June used to have a steady minor-league customer base of locals and MM
skiers willing to try a modest ski area on a visit to E Sierra, which
could sustain June in a valid hand to month business plan. MMSA ran up
debt and wants someone else to bail them out, including rampant growth
in June Lake, creating a nightmare for locals.
Somewhere the business clowns got the idea they could build their build
customer base with an airport - never going to work and EVERYONE knew
it. MMSA should go bankrupt to shed debt; if only there was some way to
jail the owners and management, justice could be done.

Better to build light rail from Reno to MM. Bodie once had such rail
service; did it extend to Bishop? Much of the grading may still be
usable - might even be relatively cheap.

[twobuddha]

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:47:10 AM UTC-7, pigo wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:12:13 AM UTC-6, comadrejo wrote:

> &gt; On 2012-07-17 02:16:48 +0000, Richard Henry said:
> &gt;

> &gt; &amp;gt; I don&amp;#39;t think June Mountain can survive financially as a business
> &gt; &amp;gt; separate from Mammoth unless there are some upgrades (J1 is an
> &gt; &amp;gt; obstacle to new customers) and some attraction distinct fro
> &gt;
> &gt; I don&amp;#39;t think they can survive as part of MMSA. MMSA has its own
> &gt; serious problems when 37% of their earnings are just going to pay
> &gt; interest on their debt.
>
> I knew the snowboard fad was going to die out. I didn&#39;t expect them to take the industry with them. Oh well. I&#39;m pretty much done with it anyway.

Holy shit. Did Brain Fried Bob Thompson really just say that snowboarding killed the ski industry?
There is stupid. There is fucking stupid. And then there is Brain Fried Bob. Who has been pretty much done with sanity and manhood for a long, long time.

[Richard Henry]

The narrow-gauge Carson and Colorado ran from Carson City to below
Owens Lake area. It never made it to the Colorado except through a
crossover junction at Owenyo (near Lone Pine) to a branch of the
Southern Pacific. About all that remains of that now is a few feet of
museum track at Laws, the closest point of the line to Bishop.

When I first journeyed up the desert to Mammoth in 1970, the SP tracks
crossed 395 in a few places and there were occasional trains to pick
up mineral products from Owens Lake salt works, but the passenger
service was long gone (you may have seen some of those trains - the
railroad station and town in the movie Bad Day at Black Rock was a set
constructed beside the SP line near Lone Pine).

Here's a thought - now that California is going into the high-speed
rail business, run the first line from Victorville to Bishop. I'm
betting that would have more traffic than the planned Bakersfield-
Fresno first link, at least in the winter.

[lal_truckee]

On 7/17/12 1:34 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
> Bodie once had such rail service; did it extend to Bishop?

I'd forgotten: Of course there formerly was rail service all along the
eastern Sierra. I cite the definitive source for historical background -
Hollywood. Specifically, Bad Day at Black Rock. Spencer Tracy wouldn't lie.

[Richard Henry]

Except that Black Rock was supposed to be in Arizona. However, the
Sierra crestline in the \background is unmistakeable.

[The Real Bev]

On 07/17/2012 03:31 PM, Richard Henry wrote:

> Except that Black Rock was supposed to be in Arizona. However, the
> Sierra crestline in the \background is unmistakeable.

At times, deep in the woods of <Canada|Vermont|Wyoming> you can see the
Mt. Wilson (SoCal) transmitting towers in the background across the
intervening valley.

--
Cheers, Bev
---------------------------------------
That's my opinion. Ought to be yours.

[Richard Henry]

On Jul 19, 5:11 am, comadrejo <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote:

> On 2012-07-17 15:28:24 +0000, Richard Henry said:
>

> > The estimates presented at the various meetings and documents filed in
> > support of the Rodeo Grounds development proposal seem to indicate
> > that June would be viable with 120,000 skier visits a year, a number
> > achieved only once since MMSA acquired it.  There are 30 (or fewer)
> > peak days in a ski season (weekends and holidays) and the capacity was
> > estimated at 6500 customers.  That pencils out to a possible 195,000
> > visits, plus whatever comes in during weekdays and early and late
> > season.  Of course, June loses a lot of its charm if it is crowded.
>

> The 195k visits are not a business plan, those are the parameters of
> maximum at June Mountain in a season: a good season.  I read that June
> Lake gets more fisherman visits in the Late Spring to early Fall than
> skiers in the winter..
>

The 195,000 visits is my own rough estimate of the maximum business
in a good snow year. Any viable business plan would have to assume
much less than that.

If you look at the TOT and sales tax figures for unincorporated Mono
County (most of which is from June Lake) 90% comes during the non-ski
months.

[Richard Henry]

On Jul 19, 9:49 pm, comadrejo <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote:

>    Looking at the financial sheet you posted about June Mountain's
> revenue and losses from the past six fiscal years, The June Lake
> community basically needs about $3 to $4 million in revenue streams to
> counteract the losses of the closing of June Mountain. ($2-3 million if
> one is just counting the money to pay employees working for June
> Mountain in a season)  I think some changes in zoning and residential
> codes for all the cabins in the area, may help, not $3-4 million but it
> may help in long term planning, and increase revenues in the upcoming
> years.   Second, If the Rodeo grounds can be put on the Rodeo Circuit,
> both on local and Western Regional, (a long shot, but a posssibility)
> They could get a huge amount of crowds from all across the west for a
> rodeo.  Ditto using the Rodeo grounds for the county fair, 4-H, etc.
> This would mean the minimal needs to be done for development on the
> Rodeo Grounds, they can handle the crowds and the set up, etc.  As much
> as large crowds can taxed the water table, sanitation, air quality,
> etc, it probably does less damage to the environment in the region that
> 18-36 hole golf course, which takes millions of gallons of water to
> keep green, let alone the tons of fertilizer that will go into the
> runoff.
>
>     However, my ideas aren't business plans, just alternatives to try
> to counter the loss of June Mountain.  I just think the last thing June
> Lake should do is follow the advice of Rusty Gregory, who's background,
> I am assuming is real estate financing.  June Lake should utilized some
> things that they can use that are lying around, like the unused cabins.
>
> Another investment, I would look into, but it could be risky is
> starting more hatcheries, but I think right now, every pebble move will
> help, instead of aiming for a major resort development or thinking a
> casino will solve June Lake's problems.- Hide quoted text -
>
"Rodeo Grounds" has nothing to do with any rodeo that I know of - it's
just the name of a piece of land. The plot of land in question is 90
acres of mostly wooded hills centered on Northside Dr across the road
from the June Mt. parking lot.

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.779722,-119.075556&spn=0.1,0.1&t=h&q=37.779722,-119.075556

There is a rumor that the land has been purchased by a private buyer
within the last few weeks.

[Richard Henry]

On Jul 22, 8:56 pm, comadrejo <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote:

> >https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.779722,-119.075556&spn=0.1,0.1&t=h...

>
> > There is a rumor that the land has been purchased by a private buyer
> > within the last few weeks.
>

> I understand the Rodeo Grounds are just a name, however if they are
> going to be used to help with June Lake's employment, and the closing
> of June Mountain, they need to be used without accumulating more debt
> in some commercial real estate development, or economically and
> environmentally stable.  For a 18 Hole Course, they probably need
> around 110-120 acres, (Cherry Hills near Denver, is one of the few 18
> hole golf courses under 100 acres and it is pretty tight) ditto for
> resort development.
>
>   Water is going to be a huge issue.  I don't know if the City of Los
> Angeles has it legal reach up that far north.
>
> If the land has been purchased, it should be in property titles
> section/deeds at the Mono County courthouse, unless they paid cash
> upfront for the entire parcel.

LADWP has rights to some of the water in the June Lake loop. They
used to capture almost all of it and run it south down a tunnel into
the Owens River. They have been forced to cut back on some of that so
that Mono Lake does not dry out any more than it has.

Part of the approval process for the Rodeo Grounds development in the
2006-8 timeframe was to show that the probable water consumption would
fit within the June Lake Utility District water rights.

No golf course had ever been planned for the area to my knowledge.
Summer recreation is mostly fishing and passive boating on the lakes,
plus hikes and pack trips into the mountains.

[Richard Henry]

Latest tactic -

Rusty Gregory is meeting with Sen. Feinstein to get support for a land
swap so that MMSA will get ownership of the area around the base lodge
and Mammoth Mt Inn. Some June Lake and Mono County residents are
sending letters and emails to her opposing the land swap citing the
closure of June Mt. as the reason.

[Richard Henry]

LA Times today

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-june-lake-20120725,0,3265113.story

[Richard Henry]

There was a meeting of the June Lake Community Council last night.
The discussion got angry when the manager of June Mt said there was
not enough time remaining before the winter to perform lift
maintenance and inspections, aand that he has no staff to perform the
work anyway.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:53:56 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry
<pome...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:

Hasn't he seen a calendar? Winter is 5 months away. It won't start
snowing until Thanksgiving.

BTW why didn't you volunteer? I'm sure you would have gotten a season
pass.

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

[Richard Henry]

On Jul 26, 7:12 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:53:56 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry

> <pomer...@hotmail.com> wrote this crap:

>
> >There was a meeting of the June Lake Community Council last night.
> >The discussion got angry when the manager of June Mt said there was
> >not enough time remaining before the winter to perform lift
> >maintenance and inspections, aand that he has no staff to perform the
> >work anyway.
>
> Hasn't he seen a calendar?  Winter is 5 months away.  It won't start
> snowing until Thanksgiving.
>
> BTW why didn't you volunteer?  I'm sure you would have gotten a season
> pass.
>
> Vote for Romney.  Repeal the nightmares.

I already have a Mammoth/June season pass, which will now just be a
Mammoth season pass.

[Bob F]

How much did they drop the price when they decided to close June? :-)