If only everybody were carrying Barretts 82A1/M107q, AK47s or RPGs OT
dechucka
shootout
http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php
dazed and confuzzed
Barretts are too bulky. They interfere with your Christmas shopping.
Better to carry a small pistol.
Note: you began this thread....
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the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3
dechucka
"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
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> dechucka wrote:
>
>> This would never have happened or there could have been a really good
>> shootout
>>
>> http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php
>
>
> Barretts are too bulky. They interfere with your Christmas shopping.
but you take the perp out from a long way away
>
> Better to carry a small pistol.
Glock 9mm?
>
> Note: you began this thread....
very observant of you
dazed and confuzzed
> "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
> news:coudnQECC9Cg6Mra...@comcast.com...
>
>>dechucka wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good
>>>shootout
>>>
>>>http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php
>>
>>
>>Barretts are too bulky. They interfere with your Christmas shopping.
>
>
> but you take the perp out from a long way away
>
>
>>Better to carry a small pistol.
>
>
> Glock 9mm?
Glock is hardly a small pistol.
>
>
>>Note: you began this thread....
>
>
> very observant of you
>
>
dechucka
> dechucka wrote:
>
>> "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
>> news:coudnQECC9Cg6Mra...@comcast.com...
>>
>>>dechucka wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good
>>>>shootout
>>>>
>>>>http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php
>>>
>>>
>>>Barretts are too bulky. They interfere with your Christmas shopping.
>>
>>
>> but you take the perp out from a long way away
>>
>>
>>>Better to carry a small pistol.
>>
>>
>> Glock 9mm?
>
> Glock is hardly a small pistol.
it is if you are a real man. You probably think a derringer pocket gun (
should actually be Deringer) is a big gun
dazed and confuzzed
> "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
> news:VoudnQ27C4uf58ra...@comcast.com...
>
>>dechucka wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
>>>news:coudnQECC9Cg6Mra...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>dechucka wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good
>>>>>shootout
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Barretts are too bulky. They interfere with your Christmas shopping.
>>>
>>>
>>>but you take the perp out from a long way away
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Better to carry a small pistol.
>>>
>>>
>>>Glock 9mm?
>>
>>Glock is hardly a small pistol.
>
>
> it is if you are a real man. You probably think a derringer pocket gun (
> should actually be Deringer) is a big gun
>
>
Glad you think RealMen need big pistols.
I generally carry a Kel-Tec. Either a PF-9 or a P3-AT (depending on what
I am wearing/where I am going). Neither is a tackdriver at 50 ft, but I
won't be using it at 50 ft either.
Concealable is better in most social situations.
dechucka
> dechucka wrote:
>
>> "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
>> news:VoudnQ27C4uf58ra...@comcast.com...
>>
>>>dechucka wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:coudnQECC9Cg6Mra...@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>dechucka wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good
>>>>>>shootout
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Barretts are too bulky. They interfere with your Christmas shopping.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>but you take the perp out from a long way away
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Better to carry a small pistol.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Glock 9mm?
>>>
>>>Glock is hardly a small pistol.
>>
>>
>> it is if you are a real man. You probably think a derringer pocket gun
>> ( should actually be Deringer) is a big gun
> Glad you think RealMen need big pistols.
>
> I generally carry a Kel-Tec. Either a PF-9 or a P3-AT (depending on what I
> am wearing/where I am going). Neither is a tackdriver at 50 ft, but I
> won't be using it at 50 ft either.
>
> Concealable is better in most social situations.
I carry nothing, lucky country I live in that I don't need to
Grumman-581
It also wouldn't have happened if his girlfriend had put out a bit
more... It's pretty obvious from reading the article that they guy just
didn't get laid enough...
Grumman-581
> I carry nothing, lucky country I live in that I don't need to
Then how do you protect yourself from the overly amorous sheep / 'roos
around there? <snicker>
Lee Bell
Still, it's remarkable how many people think it is and carry one adequately
concealed. My personal concealed weapon, at the moment, is an XD 9 Sub
Compact. Except for the short barrel, it's nearly the size of a Glock.
Speaking of XDs, I heard a rumor that the FBI is abandoning Glock in favor
of XDs. I must say that's a bit of a surprise.
Lee
Lee Bell
> Glad you think RealMen need big pistols.
> I generally carry a Kel-Tec. Either a PF-9 or a P3-AT (depending on what I
> am wearing/where I am going). Neither is a tackdriver at 50 ft, but I
> won't be using it at 50 ft either.
>
> Concealable is better in most social situations.
I also have a P3-AT for when a fanny pack would be inappropriate.
A friend of mine carries a full sized 1911 via a clip mounted to holes
drilled and tapped into the slide. It conceals quite well. I may adopt his
method to oen of the smaller 1911 pistols once I've lost the rest of my
excess weight and assuming I can find a 1911 I want to carry.
Lee
Dennis (Icarus)
> dechucka wrote:
>
> > "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
> > news:coudnQECC9Cg6Mra...@comcast.com...
> >
> >>dechucka wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>This would never have happened or there could have been a really good
> >>>shootout
> >>>
>
>>>http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-
NEBRASKA.php
> >>
> >>
> >>Barretts are too bulky. They interfere with your Christmas shopping.
> >
> >
> > but you take the perp out from a long way away
> >
> >
> >>Better to carry a small pistol.
> >
> >
> > Glock 9mm?
>
> Glock is hardly a small pistol.
The 29 is fairly small, IIRC.
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
news:475785cf$0$22927$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
I may carry, or not as I see fit - lucky country I live in that I have the
choice.
:-)
Dennis
Chris Guynn
"Lee Bell" <plee...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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The Gold Cup isn't good enough?
crownfield
01.iinet.net.au>, dech...@vomithotmail.com says...
-This would never have happened or there could have been a really good
-shootout
-
-http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-NEBRASKA.php
very sad, but interesting.
When will we start helping people
before they go over the edge?
If all the money spent trying to take away guns
had been used to help people on the edge,
we all would be better off.
If all the money spent trying to take away guns
had been spent on preventing dui 1, dui 2, dui 4, dui 4,
we all would be better off. offenders would not be able to drive.
If all the money spent trying to take away guns
had been used make young drivers safer drivers,
we all would be better off. 6,000 less deaths per year.
--
Bob Crownfield
crown...@verizon.net
Lee Bell
The Gold Cup is the worst 1911 I have, or was until I spent money to fix the
kinds of things that Colt should have addressed before it left the factory.
Even now that it's fixed, it's not the best for concealed carry. Both my
Gold Cup and my Kimber have target sights that are higher profile and have
sharp edges. They also have magazine wells, which forces me to put base
pads on my mags. Both the mag wells and pads make the gun harder to conceal
effectively.
My Colt Delta Elite 10mm has combat style sights and would work better, but
it also has a mag well. Also, it's a pretty heavy gun and, even with the
added weight, full power loads have a heavy enough recoil that double taps
are not usually an option.
If I decide to go with a 1911, which is quite possible, it could be one of
several. I already have a Colt Government Model .380 that is considerably
more accurate than my KelTec, but no more powerful. I'm also considering A
Springfield Armory EMP in 9mm or, should they make one, in .40. The Kimber
Aegis, another sub compact 9mm is also a possibility. Other options include
a Commander or Officer's model size gun in anything from .45, to .40 (my
preference) to 9mm.
There are lots of options better, and more easily concealed than anything I
currently have, and I'm in no hurry. I don't carry all the time and, when I
do, it's more to be prepared for the unlikely need. I don't actually expect
to ever use a gun defensibly, even though I have on a couple of occasions,
and I have an even lower expectation of having to fire one defensively,
something I've not had to do so far, but am fully trained and practiced to
do. What I have now, is as good as what I might prefer, until I have to use
it.
Lee
JOF
wrote:
You missed if all the money spent by the NRA to promote guns hadn't
been spent, might there be fewer sad occurences like that latest one
happening?
Instead of helping people like that go over the edge and take innocent
people with them, what about spending the money and effort wasted in
defence of guns for a more positive cause, like help for homicidal
maniacs instead of negative reinforcement, encouraging them to have
and use guns?
You're happy to see money and effort spent to improve vehicle safety
and reduce dui's but want hands off for gun owners. That's the kind of
objectivity we've all come to expect from irrational gun owners, and
the reason why all gun owners get little sympathy or support from
anyone outside the fraternity.
JF
Grumman-581
Is that the same one you were carrying when I was down there last? When
we compared the two that we were carrying at that time, I seem to
remember that they were *very* close to the same physical size... I
would think that a 9mm would be a bit smaller though...
dazed and confuzzed
You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns
removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/11/beat-the-high-c.html
Grumman-581
> A friend of mine carries a full sized 1911 via a clip mounted to holes
> drilled and tapped into the slide. It conceals quite well. I may adopt his
> method to oen of the smaller 1911 pistols once I've lost the rest of my
> excess weight and assuming I can find a 1911 I want to carry.
When the weather had cools down enough that I can wear a jacket, I can
carry a full frame 1911 style .45 in a a belt slide type holster that I
picked up a few years ago... It keeps the .45 close into the body and
canted forward so that the grips do not stick out in the back... Even a
thick baggy denim shirt over the top seems to conceal it well enough,
but adding the leather jacket makes it virtually unnoticed as long as I
don't do stupid things like bending over while reaching for something
with my right hand... The same type of carry also works well for the
Berreta 96FS that I own, but since it has a thicker grip, I do not
believe that it ends up hiding as well against the body... I've never
had anyone mention it when I was carrying, so I think it is just that
I'm a bit more self-conscious when I have that thicker grip pressing
into my side... With this type of holster, I used a carry position that
is slightly to the rear of the side seam on my pants so that it is not
noticeable even if I have my jacket unzipped... Of course you need a mid
length jacket for this sort of thing... I have one that is cut somewhat
similar to the M65 field jacket, but in leather, and it hangs down far
enough to hide the barrel even when I'm reaching for things...
JOF
<dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>
>You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns
>removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite.
>
>
>http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/11/beat-the-high-c.html
Those half dozen or whatever posts representative a majority of the
300,000,000 folks in the States? Gedowdaheah!
Even the most simple-minded gunsel doan thank that dawg hunts. Dude,
get a grip. You're talking to mature adults here, not more gun crazed
morons.
JF
dazed and confuzzed
Click on the "vote" . You can see the totals for the poll there. As of
this post, there are 49463 votes. 98% vote yes.
dechucka
"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
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> JOF wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:03:14 -0600, dazed and confuzzed
>> <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns
>>>removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/11/beat-the-high-c.html
>>
>>
>> Those half dozen or whatever posts representative a majority of the
>> 300,000,000 folks in the States? Gedowdaheah! Even the most simple-minded
>> gunsel doan thank that dawg hunts. Dude,
>> get a grip. You're talking to mature adults here, not more gun crazed
>> morons.
>>
>> JF
>>
>
> Click on the "vote" . You can see the totals for the poll there. As of
> this post, there are 49463 votes. 98% vote yes.
not exactly an accurate way of finding out the thoughts of the population,
the problem with these polls is that the voters self select whereas in a
properly run opinion poll they are selected to give a representative view of
the population
JOF
<dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>JOF wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:03:14 -0600, dazed and confuzzed
>> <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns
>>>removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/11/beat-the-high-c.html
>>
>>
>> Those half dozen or whatever posts representative a majority of the
>> 300,000,000 folks in the States? Gedowdaheah!
>>
>> Even the most simple-minded gunsel doan thank that dawg hunts. Dude,
>> get a grip. You're talking to mature adults here, not more gun crazed
>> morons.
>>
>> JF
>>
>
>Click on the "vote" . You can see the totals for the poll there. As of
>this post, there are 49463 votes. 98% vote yes.
Kind of a fixed poll, isn't it?
Here's the language of the Second -
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
What other meaning could possibly be taken from those words? But just
because the folks who responded were bright enuf to comprehend what
was said so clearly doesn't mean they believe that the reasons for
that dictum several hundred years ago haven't changed with time
Wishful thinking is clouding your judgement and apparently the
jusdgement of the folks who issued that poll. It's obvious where their
sympathies lie, isn't it. Ask the honest question. See what answer you
get to that.
Instead of "Does the second amendment give individuals the right to
bear arms?" ask something like "Should there be stricter controls on
availability of certain kinds of guns?" or "Should there be more
stringent standards imposed for possession of guns?" or "Should the
penalties for illegal use of a firearm be increased?" and so on.
That question falls into the same cheesy category as the one that asks
"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" An honest answer will only
serve to incriminate you, or count as a vote against your personal
beliefs. It means nothing. In fact it means worse than nothing. It
causes any right thinking individual to question the ethics behind the
whole pro-gun push if they have to rely on cheap parlour tricks to
create an illusion of right.
It's like the question Scott posted earlier, trying to ride the
coattails of a legitimate poll with a trick question in hopes that no
one here was smart enuf to pick up on his artifice. His gullibility
speaks volumes about why the progunners keep shooting themselves in
the foot when they try to jam their personal agenda down others'
throats.
JF
pugetso...@gmail.com
<chainsaw>
No one is trying to ram anything down your throat or anyone elses for
the thousandth time, you stupid, bullshit projecting, whirling
dervish, lying sack of shit.
DONT OWN A GUN!
How many fucking times do We have to tell you that before you stop
accusing us of "ramming" things down peoples throats?!?!?
What We are doing is presenting a united front against socialist
idiots like you, Mossman, Upchuck and that two faced coward of a floor
mopping bitch in Hawaii.
YOU are the one obsessed with discussing this topic here on rec.scuba
at every turn because you think it makes you look mature and smart,
and it gives you the chance to sling what you think is clever insult.
Reality is that you are simply a senile old coward, a stuck up, holier
than thou idiot that cant comprehend the simplest of facts, realities
or truths, but too much of a fucking punk to be a bully in real life.
You sling idiocy, fabrications and lies like water and you get pounded
for it at every turn, then on comes the arm circling and twisting.
.
YOU are the one trying to shove your bullshit down everyones throat,
you fucking miserable old slobbering hypocrite. It's not a "Pro Gun
Push" you fucking moron, We have the right, the freedom and the guns
and *you* aint gonna take that freedom from Us, *ever*! It is you and
pussies like you who are afraid of real people with real freedom that
you cant control or create enough flowery bullshit to get them to
agree with you in the smallest way, because you are not only wrong,
but you are fucking liar and a cheap, socialist whore that no self
respecting adult would bother to wipe your fucking nose.
YOU are *NEVER* going to live long enough to see the second amendment
repealed.
If this was a real bar, here in America, you would keep your fucking
mouth shut on this subject or be wearing a well broken nose, and you
know it.
LAY THE FUCK OFF!
You and all your whining and caterwauling are never going to do
anything but ruin friendships and make a galactic ass of yourself for
as long as you keep trying to shove your whiny bitch bullshit up Our
asses. You aint an American, you aint smart enough to be one, so go
suck up some wine, each some cheese and shut the fuck up.
Now, get back in your fucking hole you wine sodden, old doddering
fool.
Your Lord And Master
JOF
dechucka
<pugetso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:08df2cbb-0d6e-4705...@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...
people like Robert Hawkins?
that
> you cant control or create enough flowery bullshit to get them to
> agree with you in the smallest way, because you are not only wrong,
> but you are fucking liar and a cheap, socialist whore that no self
> respecting adult would bother to wipe your fucking nose.
>
> YOU are *NEVER* going to live long enough to see the second amendment
> repealed.
>
> If this was a real bar, here in America, you would keep your fucking
> mouth shut on this subject or be wearing a well broken nose, and you
> know it.
violence is the answer for everthing with you is it?
>
> LAY THE FUCK OFF!
>
> You and all your whining and caterwauling are never going to do
> anything but ruin friendships and make a galactic ass of yourself for
> as long as you keep trying to shove your whiny bitch bullshit up Our
> asses. You aint an American, you aint smart enough to be one, so go
> suck up some wine, each some cheese and shut the fuck up.
your more a beer and burger man who only likes the bright yellow mustard
?
>
> Now, get back in your fucking hole you wine sodden, old doddering
> fool.
>
> Your Lord And Master
what happen the equality of man
>
>
>
dazed and confuzzed
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:55:00 -0600, dazed and confuzzed
> <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>
>
>>JOF wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:03:14 -0600, dazed and confuzzed
>>><dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You make the assumption that the majority of US citizens want guns
>>>>removed. That's not the truth. It is, in fact, just the opposite.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/11/beat-the-high-c.html
>>>
>>>
>>>Those half dozen or whatever posts representative a majority of the
>>>300,000,000 folks in the States? Gedowdaheah!
>>>
>>>Even the most simple-minded gunsel doan thank that dawg hunts. Dude,
>>>get a grip. You're talking to mature adults here, not more gun crazed
>>>morons.
>>>
>>>JF
>>>
>>
>>Click on the "vote" . You can see the totals for the poll there. As of
>>this post, there are 49463 votes. 98% vote yes.
>
>
> Kind of a fixed poll, isn't it?
Perhaps it is. But it goes to demonstrate the fallacy in your arguments
regarding peoples attitudes and firearm ownership.
>
> Here's the language of the Second -
> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
> infringed."
I've read it.
>
> What other meaning could possibly be taken from those words? But just
> because the folks who responded were bright enuf to comprehend what
> was said so clearly doesn't mean they believe that the reasons for
> that dictum several hundred years ago haven't changed with time
> Wishful thinking is clouding your judgement and apparently the
> jusdgement of the folks who issued that poll. It's obvious where their
> sympathies lie, isn't it. Ask the honest question. See what answer you
> get to that.
GO ahead, find a poll that supports your argument.
>
> Instead of "Does the second amendment give individuals the right to
> bear arms?" ask something like "Should there be stricter controls on
> availability of certain kinds of guns?" or "Should there be more
> stringent standards imposed for possession of guns?" or "Should the
> penalties for illegal use of a firearm be increased?" and so on.
If your wish were indeed the case, then there might have been a
continuation of the AWB. Instead, the politicians let it die because
they wanted to be reelected.
Many folks feel that the AWB led to the republicans getting the majority
after it was passed. They may be right, they may be wrong. There were
many reasons for the dissatisfaction, but this may be art of it. A
significant part.
>
> That question falls into the same cheesy category as the one that asks
> "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" An honest answer will only
> serve to incriminate you, or count as a vote against your personal
> beliefs. It means nothing. In fact it means worse than nothing. It
> causes any right thinking individual to question the ethics behind the
> whole pro-gun push if they have to rely on cheap parlour tricks to
> create an illusion of right.
Again please feel free to provide a cite to a poll which supports your
point.
>
> It's like the question Scott posted earlier, trying to ride the
> coattails of a legitimate poll with a trick question in hopes that no
> one here was smart enuf to pick up on his artifice. His gullibility
> speaks volumes about why the progunners keep shooting themselves in
> the foot when they try to jam their personal agenda down others'
> throats.
As opposed to you shoving your agenda down ours?
I'll gladly drop this if you will stop posting BS and opinion here. I
only respond because you post twisted facts and innuendo and opinion as
fact. You stop, I will. While you are entitled to your opinion, you are
not entitled to misrepresent facts.
You can make this al go away. Just stop.
Your call.
>
> JF
JOF
<dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>I'll gladly drop this if you will stop posting BS and opinion here. I
>only respond because you post twisted facts and innuendo and opinion as
>fact. You stop, I will. While you are entitled to your opinion, you are
>not entitled to misrepresent facts.
>
>You can make this al go away. Just stop.
>
>Your call.
Ok. I won't start the next gun thread.
JF
Dennis (Icarus)
news:167hl3hin7lgs6mvk...@4ax.com...
"More stringent standards" would run afoul of the clearly written 2nd
amendment.
You'll find that the penalties for most crimes are increased if firearms are
used to commit them.
>
> That question falls into the same cheesy category as the one that asks
> "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" An honest answer will only
> serve to incriminate you, or count as a vote against your personal
> beliefs. It means nothing. In fact it means worse than nothing. It
> causes any right thinking individual to question the ethics behind the
> whole pro-gun push if they have to rely on cheap parlour tricks to
> create an illusion of right.
So in your view, an honest answer means nothing......ok...I'm getting more
insight into how you think, John, and it's rather sad.
>
> It's like the question Scott posted earlier, trying to ride the
> coattails of a legitimate poll with a trick question in hopes that no
> one here was smart enuf to pick up on his artifice. His gullibility
> speaks volumes about why the progunners keep shooting themselves in
> the foot when they try to jam their personal agenda down others'
> throats.
What dd you think of eeo's question?
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:17:38 GMT, crownfield <crown...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <47577231$0$22919$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> >01.iinet.net.au>, dech...@vomithotmail.com says...
> >-This would never have happened or there could have been a really good
> >-shootout
> >-
>
>-http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/06/america/OUKWD-UK-SHOOTING-N
EBRASKA.php
> >
> >very sad, but interesting.
> >When will we start helping people
> >before they go over the edge?
> >
> >If all the money spent trying to take away guns
> >had been used to help people on the edge,
> >we all would be better off.
> >
> >
> >If all the money spent trying to take away guns
> >had been spent on preventing dui 1, dui 2, dui 4, dui 4,
> >we all would be better off. offenders would not be able to drive.
> >
> >If all the money spent trying to take away guns
> >had been used make young drivers safer drivers,
> >we all would be better off. 6,000 less deaths per year.
>
> You missed if all the money spent by the NRA to promote guns hadn't
> been spent, might there be fewer sad occurences like that latest one
> happening?
So what,specifically, about the NRA advertising can tbe traced to this
incident?
Why not put movies, tv shows, and video games on your list?
Heck, the Matrix shows people getting blasted to a rockin' beat.
>
> Instead of helping people like that go over the edge and take innocent
> people with them, what about spending the money and effort wasted in
> defence of guns for a more positive cause, like help for homicidal
> maniacs instead of negative reinforcement, encouraging them to have
> and use guns?
Got an "for instance" of an NRA ad encouraging "homicical maniacs" to have
guns?
>
> You're happy to see money and effort spent to improve vehicle safety
> and reduce dui's but want hands off for gun owners. That's the kind of
> objectivity we've all come to expect from irrational gun owners, and
> the reason why all gun owners get little sympathy or support from
> anyone outside the fraternity.
Dennis
dazed and confuzzed
Or keep your mouth shut, as it were, if another pops up.
JOF
<dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>JOF wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:23:52 -0600, dazed and confuzzed
>> <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'll gladly drop this if you will stop posting BS and opinion here. I
>>>only respond because you post twisted facts and innuendo and opinion as
>>>fact. You stop, I will. While you are entitled to your opinion, you are
>>>not entitled to misrepresent facts.
>>>
>>>You can make this al go away. Just stop.
>>>
>>>Your call.
>>
>>
>> Ok. I won't start the next gun thread.
>>
>> JF
>>
>
>Or keep your mouth shut, as it were, if another pops up.
Now why would one just pop up, as it were, unless someone wanted to go
on about it? Is this perhaps an admission that I'm right about some of
you pushing your progun agenda on the rest of us?
JF
JOF
<nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote:
>So in your view, an honest answer means nothing......
Only if it's wrong. Honesty is commendable, but paired with stupidity
you just have an honest stupid person.
>ok...I'm getting more
>insight into how you think, John, and it's rather sad.
That it took you so long to get it?
>> It's like the question Scott posted earlier, trying to ride the
>> coattails of a legitimate poll with a trick question in hopes that no
>> one here was smart enuf to pick up on his artifice. His gullibility
>> speaks volumes about why the progunners keep shooting themselves in
>> the foot when they try to jam their personal agenda down others'
>> throats.
>
>What dd you think of eeo's question?
I think it was sarcasm dressed up as irony. Or vice versa. He knew his
poll was contrived and wasn't trying to slick anyone with it. I'm not
sure that Scott even realized the self-serving language in his. That
kind of fix is second nature to some of you in yer progun arguments.
JF
pugetso...@gmail.com
> <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> violence is the answer for everthing with you is it?
Blow me, how's that?
> your more a beer and burger man who only likes the bright yellow mustard
Better than fucking sheep.
Ask anyone who knows me when the last time they saw me eat a burger,
asswipe.
I could cook circles around the likes of you any day.
> what happen the equality of man
Why don't you tell us?
Your version doesn't include Us or Our rights, just running your idea
of life and liberty up our ass at our expense.
You lefties are the worst kind of bigots, not over skin color, but
over ways of life, freedom and thought you haven't the capacity to
understand, let alone control or subjugate.
So why should any of you be treated better than you give?
You fuckers dish it out with a shovel and when you get a little
spoonful back, you squeal like stuck pigs.
JOF
<nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote:
>So what,specifically, about the NRA advertising can tbe traced to this
>incident?
>
>Why not put movies, tv shows, and video games on your list?
>Heck, the Matrix shows people getting blasted to a rockin' beat.
>
>Got an "for instance" of an NRA ad encouraging "homicical maniacs" to have
>guns?
Twist, twist twist. Do you ever reread your posts in the hard cold
light of day when you aren't obsessing about trying to one up me? I'm
sure you're really not so stupid as to miss how transparent your
chicanery is in many of them.
Show me where I ever said the NRA encourages "homicical maniacs".
JF
pugetso...@gmail.com
> I think it was sarcasm dressed up as irony. Or vice versa. He knew his
> poll was contrived and wasn't trying to slick anyone with it. I'm not
> sure that Scott even realized the self-serving language in his. That
> kind of fix is second nature to some of you in yer progun arguments.
>
> JF
Your poll is pure bullshit and you and everyone here knows it.
My poll was pure trolling for you idiots, and like the big-mouthed
bass you are, you hit the lure like a shot. Just like you couldnt wait
to wade into another America slamming fest started by the Pomme, then
you want to whine about people not being nice to you.
Tell me, John, your so fucking smart;
How many people are diving gear you designed and/or build?
Ever make *anything*, other than an ass of yourself over the America
and gun owner bashing?
pugetso...@gmail.com
> Now why would one just pop up, as it were, unless someone wanted to go
> on about it? Is this perhaps an admission that I'm right about some of
> you pushing your progun agenda on the rest of us?
None of Us are ever going to admit you are right about anything as
guns are concerned, you dug your hole way too deep for that to ever
happen.
It's not an agenda, dumb-ass, it's the defensive position cowards like
you put Us in when you attack our rights and freedoms with all the
stupidity you can muster.
pugetso...@gmail.com
> Twist, twist twist.
Hilarious.
Typical Francis circle jerk.
Of course you never just come right out and say _anything_, you just
insinuate and infer and project. You define hypocrite and liar. I cant
imagine what it must be like for you not to have the guts to back up
what you post in the smallest way, ever.
I don't give enough of a shit to go back over all the bullshit you
post, but it is all there for anyone who does care to see.
You are full of shit, Francis, and I am done getting sucked into your
winter entertainment.
dechucka
<pugetso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f2225054-1398-4ecb...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 6, 6:19 pm, "dechucka" <dechu...@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>> <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> violence is the answer for everthing with you is it?
>
> Blow me, how's that?
>
>> your more a beer and burger man who only likes the bright yellow mustard
>
> Better than fucking sheep.
if that is your opinion from experiance, well who am I to argue being a
virgin when it comes to sheep.
I bow to your knowledge on the subject
>
> Ask anyone who knows me when the last time they saw me eat a burger,
> asswipe.
>
> I could cook circles around the likes of you any day.
of course you could, now go and a Bud
>
>> what happen the equality of man
>
> Why don't you tell us?
>
> Your version doesn't include Us or Our rights, just running your idea
> of life and liberty up our ass at our expense.
Like the freedom of Robert Hawkins, notice you snipped that from my original
post to you hard question for you is it
>
> You lefties are the worst kind of bigots, not over skin color, but
> over ways of life, freedom and thought you haven't the capacity to
> understand, let alone control or subjugate.
I have tried to understand it having spent enough time in the States. I have
no desire ( or as you say the capacity ) to control or subjugate you or
fellow countrymen
>
> So why should any of you be treated better than you give?
>
> You fuckers dish it out with a shovel and when you get a little
> spoonful back, you squeal like stuck pigs.
whose squealing, comprehension not your best asset or would you just of
sneaked across the Rio Grande and prefer Spanish
JOF
wrote:
>On Dec 6, 7:05 pm, JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it was sarcasm dressed up as irony. Or vice versa. He knew his
>> poll was contrived and wasn't trying to slick anyone with it. I'm not
>> sure that Scott even realized the self-serving language in his. That
>> kind of fix is second nature to some of you in yer progun arguments.
>>
>> JF
>
>Your poll is pure bullshit and you and everyone here knows it.
>
>My poll was pure trolling for you idiots, and like the big-mouthed
>bass you are, you hit the lure like a shot. Just like you couldnt wait
>to wade into another America slamming fest started by the Pomme, then
>you want to whine about people not being nice to you.
>
>Tell me, John, your so fucking smart;
>
>How many people are diving gear you designed and/or build?
Is that the only measure of a man? I've always said you're a talented
guy when it comes to making dive bits, and apparently you do some gun
stuff as well. It's too bad you don't have the business acumen to
match your creative abilities. You'd probably be wealthy today.
>Ever make *anything*, other than an ass of yourself over the America
>and gun owner bashing?
Not much except for a reasonably successful career that's lasted over
32 years. A marriage that's lasted almost 40 years and is still going
strong. A good relationship with our son and with my Mom and my
siblings. A degree of respect from my professional peers. I can't say
I did any of these single handedly but I was involved in building and
running a few race cars, a couple of street rods, a few motorcycles &
snowmobiles but nothing as exciting as your backplates. All important
things to me though. Your values may differ.
I admit I envy guys like you who learned a trade instead of just
going to school and reading a lot. One of the most impressive
constructs I ever witnessed personally was a half scale working Harley
v-twin built by a machinist friend of mine. Your plates are nice but
they don't come close to that engine.
JF
dazed and confuzzed
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:56:36 -0600, dazed and confuzzed
> <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>
>
>>JOF wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:23:52 -0600, dazed and confuzzed
>>><dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll gladly drop this if you will stop posting BS and opinion here. I
>>>>only respond because you post twisted facts and innuendo and opinion as
>>>>fact. You stop, I will. While you are entitled to your opinion, you are
>>>>not entitled to misrepresent facts.
>>>>
>>>>You can make this al go away. Just stop.
>>>>
>>>>Your call.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok. I won't start the next gun thread.
>>>
>>>JF
>>>
>>
>>Or keep your mouth shut, as it were, if another pops up.
>
>
> Now why would one just pop up, as it were, unless someone wanted to go
> on about it? Is this perhaps an admission that I'm right about some of
> you pushing your progun agenda on the rest of us?
>
> JF
>
Or, perhaps, merely a topic f conversation. Perhaps your perception of
being pushed upon you is a manifestation of your illogical fear and
loathing of firearms
pugetso...@gmail.com
> Like the freedom of Robert Hawkins, notice you snipped that from my original
> post to you hard question for you is it
Not worth arguing the likes of you with.
Big difference. I try not to step in dog shit when I can avoid it too.
He was bat-shit nuts and the state and the mental people failed him
and his victims. Too bad some one with a concealed permit wasnt there
to stop him when he got off the elevator.
Because he was bat-shit nuts, all the other 300 million law abiding
gun owners should have their rights and freedoms stripped by cowards
like you?
> > You lefties are the worst kind of bigots, not over skin color, but
> > over ways of life, freedom and thought you haven't the capacity to
> > understand, let alone control or subjugate.
>
> I have tried to understand it having spent enough time in the States. I have
> no desire ( or as you say the capacity ) to control or subjugate you or
> fellow countrymen
Then butt the fuck out. Simple.
Mind your own affairs and nation.
> > So why should any of you be treated better than you give?
>
> > You fuckers dish it out with a shovel and when you get a little
> > spoonful back, you squeal like stuck pigs.
>
> whose squealing, comprehension not your best asset or would you just of
> sneaked across the Rio Grande and prefer Spanish
You are an idiot, and you cant even produce a decent insult.
Dennis (Icarus)
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:47:36 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> >So in your view, an honest answer means nothing......
>
> Only if it's wrong. Honesty is commendable, but paired with stupidity
> you just have an honest stupid person.
Well, you could jsut igore it, like you do my questions. :-)
The question you mentioned "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" can be
given a meaningful, honest answer.
It'll not incriminate you, nor will it count against you.
>
>
> >ok...I'm getting more
> >insight into how you think, John, and it's rather sad.
>
> That it took you so long to get it?
I kept holding out hope that it was an act.
>
> >> It's like the question Scott posted earlier, trying to ride the
> >> coattails of a legitimate poll with a trick question in hopes that no
> >> one here was smart enuf to pick up on his artifice. His gullibility
> >> speaks volumes about why the progunners keep shooting themselves in
> >> the foot when they try to jam their personal agenda down others'
> >> throats.
> >
> >What dd you think of eeo's question?
>
> I think it was sarcasm dressed up as irony. Or vice versa. He knew his
Ahh...so eeo - sarcasm, dressed as irony.
Scott - trick question to fool the stupid people.
:-)
> poll was contrived and wasn't trying to slick anyone with it. I'm not
> sure that Scott even realized the self-serving language in his. That
> kind of fix is second nature to some of you in yer progun arguments.
>
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
Lets see...do you remember writing the following?
Heck, it was wrtitten today!
"You missed if all the money spent by the NRA to promote guns hadn't
been spent, might there be fewer sad occurences like that latest one
happening?
Instead of helping people like that go over the edge and take innocent
people with them, what about spending the money and effort wasted in
defence of guns for a more positive cause, like help for homicidal
maniacs instead of negative reinforcement, encouraging them to have
and use guns?
Pay attention to the last sentence, and how it relates to the whole.
It's pretty clear that the second paragraph talks about "people like that go
over the edge" and "homicidal maniacs", so it's pretty clear that is what
"them" refers to in your question. The phrase "the money" refers to the
money spent by the NRA.
Dennis
pugetso...@gmail.com
wrote:
> > Show me where I ever said the NRA encourages "homicical maniacs".
> Lets see...do you remember writing the following?
> Heck, it was written today!
> "You missed if all the money spent by the NRA to promote guns hadn't
> been spent, might there be fewer sad occurrences like that latest one
> happening?
> Instead of helping people like that go over the edge and take innocent
> people with them, what about spending the money and effort wasted in
> defense of guns for a more positive cause, like help for homicidal
> maniacs instead of negative reinforcement, encouraging them to have
> and use guns?
>
> Pay attention to the last sentence, and how it relates to the whole.
>
> It's pretty clear that the second paragraph talks about "people like that go
> over the edge" and "homicidal maniacs", so it's pretty clear that is what
> "them" refers to in your question. The phrase "the money" refers to the
> money spent by the NRA.
Money from law abiding American Citizens to help the NRA protect their
rights from idiots like Francis. The NRA isn't some whole other being,
it represents millions of decent, intelligent, law abiding Americans,
including law enforcement.
I am glad you have the time and patience, but it will make no
difference.
He is senile and cant remember that last bullshit that dribbled out of
his mouth.
There is just too much.
dechucka
<pugetso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9fd659bf-f1f0-4b1d...@l16g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 6, 7:20 pm, "dechucka" <dechu...@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Like the freedom of Robert Hawkins, notice you snipped that from my
>> original
>> post to you hard question for you is it
>
> Not worth arguing the likes of you with.
Can't more likely, Robert hawkins is the downside to your freedom
>
> Big difference. I try not to step in dog shit when I can avoid it too.
>
> He was bat-shit nuts and the state and the mental people failed him
> and his victims. Too bad some one with a concealed permit wasnt there
> to stop him when he got off the elevator.
>
> Because he was bat-shit nuts, all the other 300 million law abiding
> gun owners should have their rights and freedoms stripped by cowards
> like you?
it seems to happen often in the States, by i don't want to interfer with
your freedom
>
>> > You lefties are the worst kind of bigots, not over skin color, but
>> > over ways of life, freedom and thought you haven't the capacity to
>> > understand, let alone control or subjugate.
>>
>> I have tried to understand it having spent enough time in the States. I
>> have
>> no desire ( or as you say the capacity ) to control or subjugate you or
>> fellow countrymen
>
> Then butt the fuck out. Simple.
>
> Mind your own affairs and nation.
>
>> > So why should any of you be treated better than you give?
>>
>> > You fuckers dish it out with a shovel and when you get a little
>> > spoonful back, you squeal like stuck pigs.
>>
>> whose squealing, comprehension not your best asset or would you just of
>> sneaked across the Rio Grande and prefer Spanish
>
> You are an idiot, and you cant even produce a decent insult.
you seem to be very uptight
>
dechucka
<pugetso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:803ba116-191b-4e2c...@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 6, 7:05 pm, JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it was sarcasm dressed up as irony. Or vice versa. He knew his
>> poll was contrived and wasn't trying to slick anyone with it. I'm not
>> sure that Scott even realized the self-serving language in his. That
>> kind of fix is second nature to some of you in yer progun arguments.
>>
>> JF
>
> Your poll is pure bullshit and you and everyone here knows it.
>
> My poll was pure trolling for you idiots, and like the big-mouthed
> bass you are, you hit the lure like a shot. Just like you couldnt wait
> to wade into another America slamming fest started by the Pomme, then
> you want to whine about people not being nice to you.
>
> Tell me, John, your so fucking smart;
>
> How many people are diving gear you designed and/or build?
He builds dive gear, he cooks, he carrys a gun is there nothing this man
can't do probaly flies fighter aricraft, stops freight trains with his teeth
and was single handly responsible for winning WW2, the Korean War, Vietnam
and Iraq ( oh that's right the Americans didn't win those last 3 )
Dennis (Icarus)
news:9fd659bf-f1f0-4b1d...@l16g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 6, 7:20 pm, "dechucka" <dechu...@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Like the freedom of Robert Hawkins, notice you snipped that from my
original
> > post to you hard question for you is it
>
> Not worth arguing the likes of you with.
>
> Big difference. I try not to step in dog shit when I can avoid it too.
>
> He was bat-shit nuts and the state and the mental people failed him
> and his victims. Too bad some one with a concealed permit wasnt there
> to stop him when he got off the elevator.
Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental health
folks, but by the state law, they could not go anything.
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
news:4758ccb9$0$22944$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
In Korea truce was established that restored the North-South Korean dividing
line.
I'm pretty sure we won in Iraq (1991).
Saddam & Co are gone as well.
Dennis
dechucka
"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
news:53fcc$4758d536$4c49ae41$25...@KNOLOGY.NET...
your right no winner
> I'm pretty sure we won in Iraq (1991).
That was Kuwait wasn't it, we probably should have finished the job than and
gone into Iraq. Iraq seems to be still going although you could claim that
we won the war but are losing the insurgency/occupation
> Saddam & Co are gone as well.
that is one good thing but the resultant mes is a disaster
Jerome's Sock Puppet
> I could cook circles around the likes of you any day.
This is true fact of the day, folks.
I'm hungry.
Dennis (Icarus)
I'm sure the South Koreans, who were able to avoid becoming as impovrished
as the North, would disagree.
>
> > I'm pretty sure we won in Iraq (1991).
>
> That was Kuwait wasn't it, we probably should have finished the job than
and
> gone into Iraq. Iraq seems to be still going although you could claim that
> we won the war but are losing the insurgency/occupation
Kuwait, then went into Iraq.
Are we really losing? Looks like the surge has been working rather well.
>
> > Saddam & Co are gone as well.
>
> that is one good thing but the resultant mes is a disaster
>
>
There are folks who disagree with your assessment.
Dennis
Grumman-581
> your more a beer and burger man who only likes the bright yellow mustard
> ?
Actually, what you're probably remembering is JOF's recollection of when
we met and had lunch... Hell, I'm the most civilized Neanderthal that I
know...
JOF
<dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote:
>>>Or keep your mouth shut, as it were, if another pops up.
>>
>>
>> Now why would one just pop up, as it were, unless someone wanted to go
>> on about it? Is this perhaps an admission that I'm right about some of
>> you pushing your progun agenda on the rest of us?
>>
>> JF
>>
>
>Or, perhaps, merely a topic f conversation. Perhaps your perception of
>being pushed upon you is a manifestation of your illogical fear and
>loathing of firearms
So yer all for intelligent debate as long as everyone agrees with you?
JF
JOF
<nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote:
Well duh. I thought you were talking about crazed motorcycle
murderers. That's the problem with misspelling in posts, it throws off
the reader. So "homicical" was supposed to be "homicidal"? Then yes,
apparently I have made passing reference to the NRA playing to the
criminally inclined crowd.
And since you bring it up, why don't they try harder to avoid selling
the joy of guns to folks who really shouldn't be encouraged to use
them knowing it will ultimately be something antisocial? Their shotgun
approach seems to have some influence on sickos like the kid who just
went out in a blaze of "glory". He left a note saying this will
finally make him famous. He'll be a poster boy for the antigun crowd.
Hardly a feather in the caps of responsible gun owners.
Homicical ... Dayum, this scourge of semi-literacy is ruining
intellectual discourse. Back in the good old days we could identify
those of diminished intellectual capacity by their grammar and
spelling, but now the schools just don't care about the product they
produce and the literate, semi-literate and illiterate are all
homogenized into an embarrassing melange of apparent ignorance. Do ya
think it'll ever turn around or are we gonna continue this downward
spiral until there's no one left who can read or write?
We could debate that instead of the efficacy of guns.
JF
Chris Guynn
<snip>
> what happen the equality of man
All men are created equal... that doesn't mean they stay that way.
pugetso...@gmail.com
> I admit I envy guys like you who learned a trade instead of just
> going to school and reading a lot. One of the most impressive
> constructs I ever witnessed personally was a half scale working Harley
> v-twin built by a machinist friend of mine. Your plates are nice but
> they don't come close to that engine.
You have no idea the things I design and build, including engines.
And the backplate I *gave* you before to shanked me and several others
here.
I feel for your wife. 40 years with a milksop like you would be a
prison term.
pugetso...@gmail.com
> So yer all for intelligent debate as long as everyone agrees with you?
Hilarious.
Lee Bell
>> Still, it's remarkable how many people think it is and carry one
>> adequately concealed. My personal concealed weapon, at the moment, is an
>> XD 9 Sub Compact. Except for the short barrel, it's nearly the size of a
>> Glock.
>>
>> Speaking of XDs, I heard a rumor that the FBI is abandoning Glock in
>> favor of XDs. I must say that's a bit of a surprise.
>
> Is that the same one you were carrying when I was down there last? When
> we compared the two that we were carrying at that time, I seem to remember
> that they were *very* close to the same physical size... I would think
> that a 9mm would be a bit smaller though...
I believe it's the same one. Mine is a 9mm. The .45 XD is slightly wider
than the other calibers. The rest are the same size.
crownfield
@y43g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, pugetso...@gmail.com says...
-On Dec 6, 7:00 pm, JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote:
-
-> Now why would one just pop up, as it were, unless someone wanted to go
-> on about it? Is this perhaps an admission that I'm right about some of
-> you pushing your progun agenda on the rest of us?
-
-None of Us are ever going to admit you are right about anything as
-guns are concerned, you dug your hole way too deep for that to ever
-happen.
-
-It's not an agenda, dumb-ass, it's the defensive position cowards like
-you put Us in when you attack our rights and freedoms with all the
-stupidity you can muster.
and what absolutely boggles the mind, is that after all the illogical
unfounded rambling 'tv says it, so it must be true' thoughtless
uncomprehending driveling that jof does, he actually thinks that it
makes sense and that he is smart.
that has to be the joke of the year, maybe even the decade.
he neither understands what he says, or what anyone else says.
-
--
Bob Crownfield
crown...@verizon.net
crownfield
93dce1...@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com>, pugetso...@gmail.com
says...
-On Dec 6, 5:26 pm, JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote:
-No one is trying to ram anything down your throat or anyone elses for
-the thousandth time, you stupid, bullshit projecting, whirling
-dervish, lying sack of shit.
-
-DONT OWN A GUN!
-
-
-YOU are the one obsessed with discussing this topic here on rec.scuba
-at every turn because you think it makes you look mature and smart,
-and it gives you the chance to sling what you think is clever insult.
-Reality is that you are simply a senile old coward, a stuck up, holier
-than thou idiot that cant comprehend the simplest of facts, realities
-or truths, but too much of a fucking punk to be a bully in real life.
-You sling idiocy, fabrications and lies like water and you get pounded
-for it at every turn, then on comes the arm circling and twisting.
-.
wonderful. Scott you really have a way with words.
jof's performance here is so assinine that it is hard to describe.
I tried, but I think you came closer.
If he could see himself as we see him here,
as he farts around on the stage here at rec.scuba,
he would be so embarrassed that he would disappear
and never be heard of again.
our bad news is that he is so much dumber than even we think,
that he will never catch on.
He is somewhere south of a cartoon loser.
-
-
JOF
> In article <b21b9c73-c626-445e-94da-7f3827e475e0
> -On Dec 6, 7:00 pm, JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -
> -> Now why would one just pop up, as it were, unless someone wanted to go
> -> on about it? Is this perhaps an admission that I'm right about some of
> -> you pushing your progun agenda on the rest of us?
> -
> -None of Us are ever going to admit you are right about anything as
> -guns are concerned, you dug your hole way too deep for that to ever
> -happen.
> -
> -It's not an agenda, dumb-ass, it's the defensive position cowards like
> -you put Us in when you attack our rights and freedoms with all the
> -stupidity you can muster.
>
> and what absolutely boggles the mind, is that after all the illogical
> unfounded rambling 'tv says it, so it must be true' thoughtless
> uncomprehending driveling that jof does, he actually thinks that it
> makes sense and that he is smart.
>
> that has to be the joke of the year, maybe even the decade.
You mean I won the coveted Joke of the Day Award. I owe all my success
here to my friends, my mama, my tropical fish Alvin and my stuffed
cat, Elvis.
JF
Scott
> Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental health
> folks, but by the state law, they could not do anything.
Everyone who knew him knew he was trouble.
So the obvious cure is to disarm everyone, like they did at U of V and let
the nts have free run.
Makes perfect sense.
Scott
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Made it home.
Come on over, the smoker and the grill are going to be going all day.
Scott
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> wonderful. Scott you really have a way with words.
>
> jof's performance here is so assinine that it is hard to describe.
> I tried, but I think you came closer.
>
> If he could see himself as we see him here,
> as he farts around on the stage here at rec.scuba,
> he would be so embarrassed that he would disappear
> and never be heard of again.
>
> our bad news is that he is so much dumber than even we think,
> that he will never catch on.
> He is somewhere south of a cartoon loser.
I don't even care if he catches on or not, he just needs to stop beaking off
*here* on a subject he can never have the smallest effect on, and is
patently unable to understand the smallest decimal of a fraction of the
issues.
He is like a non-stop flicker pecking away at the eaves;
You could shoot it in the head, but you'd likely only get feathers.
Scott
> and what absolutely boggles the mind, is that after all the illogical
> unfounded rambling 'tv says it, so it must be true' thoughtless
> uncomprehending driveling that jof does, he actually thinks that it
> makes sense and that he is smart.
>
> that has to be the joke of the year, maybe even the decade.
>
> he neither understands what he says, or what anyone else says.
The intellectual depth of a soaked leather jacket, with slacks.
Galen Hekhuis
wrote:
UVa? What happened at UVa? Perhaps you're talking about the
incident that occurred at VPI, also known as Virginia Tech?
The University of Virginia is not the Virginia Polytechnic Institute
and State University.
--
Galen Hekhuis ghek...@earthlink.net
I have no recollection of recalling that...
dazed and confuzzed
actually, I'm all for intelligent conversation. Yours hasn't been either
intelligent or logical lately. If it were, much like it was in the past,
you'd not be so disrespected.
On the one hand, you ask that everyone consider your viewpoint. Would
that you could do the same.
--
“TANSTAAFL”
____________________________________________________________________________
America: Ironically, the safest place to be anti-American.
____________________________________________________________________________
"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3
dechucka
"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
but as you say noe victory was declated
>
>>
>> > I'm pretty sure we won in Iraq (1991).
>>
>> That was Kuwait wasn't it, we probably should have finished the job than
> and
>> gone into Iraq. Iraq seems to be still going although you could claim
>> that
>> we won the war but are losing the insurgency/occupation
>
> Kuwait, then went into Iraq.
> Are we really losing? Looks like the surge has been working rather well.
really
>
>>
>> > Saddam & Co are gone as well.
>>
>> that is one good thing but the resultant mes is a disaster
>>
>>
>
> There are folks who disagree with your assessment.
true but than there are people who think that 11/9 was a conspiracy and the
WTC was a controlled demolition
Jerome's Sock Puppet
> "Jerome's Sock Puppet" <jerome.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
> Made it home.
>
> Come on over, the smoker and the grill are going to be going all day.
I'm out of the country all week. I got a hawt date and then I have to
do laundry.
Woe is me!
Jerome's Sock Puppet
> Your plates are nice but they don't come close to that engine.
Haha. HAHAHAH!!!! BWaaaahhhahaha... Heh...
/ Got the plates
// Seen the engines
/// And the other stuff
dechucka
"Grumman-581" <grumman581...@spambob.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.07...@spambob.net...
was a reference to it
Jerome's Sock Puppet
wrote:
> Are we really losing? Looks like the surge has been working rather well.
From a military standpoint, it is. Violence has been quelled. That's
gonna happen when you put 30,000 US Soldiers on the street.
From a political standpoint, quell the violence to give the government
time to get their shit together, it has been a abject failure. The
Iraqis are no closer to a unified, functional government now than they
were before.
So it's time to come home.
JOF
Then you'll know exactly where that engine ended up when the American
feller payed enuf to discharge the fabricator's mortgage, huh? Sounds
like horse puckies to me, but whatever floats yer boat, dude. You fit
right into the peanut gallery.
JF
JOF
Up against the wall. Yer about to shot. 8)
JF
Grumman-581
> All men are created equal... that doesn't mean they stay that way.
Yeah, bald, drooling, and incontinent... And we end up the same way...
Dennis (Icarus)
Well...yes. You were really confused by that? Heck, next time search for any
word you don't understand in google.
It'll ask for clarification, e.g "did you mean homicidal"?
Good to see you admit what you denied earlier, and I'll note that you didn't
aks for clarification about "homicical"earlier.
>
> And since you bring it up, why don't they try harder to avoid selling
> the joy of guns to folks who really shouldn't be encouraged to use
> them knowing it will ultimately be something antisocial? Their shotgun
How do they "know" their advertising will lead to something "antisocial"?
Is there a study showing a causal relationship between NRA ads and killing?
> approach seems to have some influence on sickos like the kid who just
> went out in a blaze of "glory". He left a note saying this will
> finally make him famous. He'll be a poster boy for the antigun crowd.
> Hardly a feather in the caps of responsible gun owners.
That's good., because he wasn't a rresponsible gun owner - heck it wasn't
even his gun.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0564256720071206?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
A 19-year-old school dropout who shot and killed eight people and himself at
a Nebraska shopping mall smuggled a stolen assault rifle into the building
wrapped in a sweatshirt and opened fire without warning when he got out of a
third-floor elevator, police said on Thursday.
"stolen assault rifle". I'll translate that for you, John. It means the
rilfe was stolen.
In other words, it wasn't his.
The mall police were there...except...well...they were unarmed.
He said "I'll be famous now" - so think the media has more to do with
"glorifying" these folks?
>
> Homicical ... Dayum, this scourge of semi-literacy is ruining
> intellectual discourse. Back in the good old days we could identify
> those of diminished intellectual capacity by their grammar and
> spelling, but now the schools just don't care about the product they
> produce and the literate, semi-literate and illiterate are all
> homogenized into an embarrassing melange of apparent ignorance. Do ya
> think it'll ever turn around or are we gonna continue this downward
> spiral until there's no one left who can read or write?
John, it's called a typo. Do bear in mind that I'm the one having to explain
things to you in often painful detail.
Several just in the past couple of weeks.
>
> We could debate that instead of the efficacy of guns.
What say we stop worrying about typos, and get back to the the issue at
hand.
Do you have an example of an NRA ad that caters to the "homicidal maniacs"?
After all, that was your claim - support it.
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
news:06idnfaDCec4DcTa...@whidbeytel.com...
When one of the family members, on hearing about the mall shooting thinks
"gosh I hope it's not Robbie"...kind of makes you thunk they saw the warning
signs.
Good thing the unarmed mall cops were there.
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
news:ru6jl3pkecgkkeqt1...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:31:35 -0800, "Scott" <pugetso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:f25f8$4758d534$4c49ae41$25...@KNOLOGY.NET...
> >
> >> Well, remember the chap at U of Virginia was known to the mental health
> >> folks, but by the state law, they could not do anything.
> >
> >Everyone who knew him knew he was trouble.
> >
> >So the obvious cure is to disarm everyone, like they did at U of V and
let
> >the nts have free run.
> >
> >Makes perfect sense.
>
> UVa? What happened at UVa? Perhaps you're talking about the
> incident that occurred at VPI, also known as Virginia Tech?
>
> The University of Virginia is not the Virginia Polytechnic Institute
> and State University.
Virginia Tech - thanks.
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
And as I also said, I'm pretty sure the South Koreans consider it to be a
nice victory.
Be careful about typoing (I presume noe is a typo) BTW, you'll cause JOF no
end of confusion.
>
> >
> >>
> >> > I'm pretty sure we won in Iraq (1991).
> >>
> >> That was Kuwait wasn't it, we probably should have finished the job
than
> > and
> >> gone into Iraq. Iraq seems to be still going although you could claim
> >> that
> >> we won the war but are losing the insurgency/occupation
> >
> > Kuwait, then went into Iraq.
> > Are we really losing? Looks like the surge has been working rather well.
>
> really
yes.
>
> >
> >>
> >> > Saddam & Co are gone as well.
> >>
> >> that is one good thing but the resultant mes is a disaster
> >>
> >>
> >
> > There are folks who disagree with your assessment.
>
> true but than there are people who think that 11/9 was a conspiracy and
the
> WTC was a controlled demolition
>
>
Except the folks who disagree that Iraq a disaster have...well...facts on
their side.
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
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Glad to hear you're ok.
Tell Ade I sad hello!
Dennis
dechucka
"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
yeah right
>
> Dennis
>
>
dechucka
"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
So many in the States you have a hard time keeping track of them
Joe English
i've yet to start drooling
Jerome's Sock Puppet
> Then you'll know exactly where that engine ended up when the American
> feller payed enuf to discharge the fabricator's mortgage, huh? Sounds
> like horse puckies to me, but whatever floats yer boat, dude. You fit
> right into the peanut gallery.
I know one guy that's ever fabricated parts for a MotoGP class
motorcycle.
You are not he.
Scott is.
Dennis (Icarus)
No, it was just a mistake.
Dennis
dechucka
"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
I'll beleive you this once, not that it really matters if I do or not
Curtis
>> Yeah, bald, drooling, and incontinent... And we end up the same way...
> i've yet to start drooling
I still drool when I see something really worth drooling over, but only
then.
Only half bald, so far.
Incontinent, that's another story. Some stain their fancy pants by the
early sixties, I hope I'm history before I make that much of a mess.......
Galen Hekhuis
I wouldn't even have mentioned it if I hadn't worked for UVa. It's
easy to get 'em confused, and besides UVa and Virginia Tech, there's
VCU and VMI.
--
Galen Hekhuis ghek...@earthlink.net
Indecision may or may not be my problem...
Dennis (Icarus)
>
> "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
> news:81863$475a0b7a$4c49ae41$98...@KNOLOGY.NET...
> > "dechucka" <dech...@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4759feda$0$22910$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> >>
> >> "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:38ae7$4759f19a$4c49ae41$72...@KNOLOGY.NET...
> >> > "Galen Hekhuis" <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:ru6jl3pkecgkkeqt1...@4ax.com...
> >> >
> >> > Virginia Tech - thanks.
> >>
> >> So many in the States you have a hard time keeping track of them
> >>
> >>
> >
> > No, it was just a mistake.
>
> I'll beleive you this once, not that it really matters if I do or not
>
>
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:10:18 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No, it was just a mistake.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> I wouldn't even have mentioned it if I hadn't worked for UVa. It's
> easy to get 'em confused, and besides UVa and Virginia Tech, there's
> VCU and VMI.
I do appreciate the correction.
Dennis
Scott
> When one of the family members, on hearing about the mall shooting thinks
> "gosh I hope it's not Robbie"...kind of makes you thunk they saw the
warning
> signs.
>
> Good thing the unarmed mall cops were there.
Yep.
Might have been able to stop the shoplifting of a CD.
Dennis (Icarus)
Dennis
Grumman-581
> i've yet to start drooling
Don't you mean "start back drooling"? Give it time... It's one of those
constants in life if we manage to live long enough...
Scott
Same people who think they need to shoot up a mall, kill innocent people,
and then commit suicide.
Scott
news:cbc87b62-3068-4be4...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> You are not he.
> Scott is.
Thanks for the back-up brudda, but I am afraid it is a waste of time trying
to educate this one.
Plus, I prefer that he keep running his suck from his fortified bunker of
ignorance and bigotry, he wears it like a pair of expensive slacks.
Scott
"Curtis" <cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Incontinent, that's another story. Some stain their fancy pants by the
> early sixties, I hope I'm history before I make that much of a mess.......
Add another keyboard to your tab.
Curtis
"Scott" wrote
>> Incontinent, that's another story. Some stain their fancy pants by the
>> early sixties, I hope I'm history before I make that much of a
>> mess.......
> Add another keyboard to your tab.
Does that mean I get the label "Me Too"?
About time to pull the soapbox out from under the whole lot of them.
Curtis
Scott
>
> "Scott" wrote
>
> >> Incontinent, that's another story. Some stain their fancy pants by the
> >> early sixties, I hope I'm history before I make that much of a
> >> mess.......
>
> > Add another keyboard to your tab.
>
> Does that mean I get the label "Me Too"?
Gawd, I hope so.
> About time to pull the soapbox out from under the whole lot of them.
I cleared my killfile. I have a couple days off, the roads cleared and I am
home.
And, best of all, I am sick of their shit.
Plus, We are kicking the shit out of the ragheads, in spite of the best
efforts of the morons to make Us lose this war.
Must suck to impotent at such an early age.