Woohoo!!!! GO FLAMES GO
chilly
I just love this place. :^) :^)
Brian Nadwidny
>
> Yay!!!!! And the city goes wild.
>
> I just love this place. :^) :^)
Up until tonight I was cheering against the Flame-outs. I desperately
wanted them to lose to Vancouver. I wanted them to lose to Detroit. I
was kinda hoping they would lose to San Jose.
I hate the Flames.
And yet despite everything, deep down I was hoping they would pull it
out tonight.
I will never, never, never say that I cheered for Calgary so let's just
say that I'm firmly going agin' Tampa.
Stanley in Tampa? No fucking way.
BTW did you see Greg (the other Mossman) on TV on Monday? He had those
tickets from work, then did the Red Mile thing. I talked to him Tues. AM
and he said it was just insane, and this was after a loss.
When the Flames win on Saturday, this whole province is going to explode
and the epicenter will be on 17th ave. Have fun. I'll have a beer (just
one) in their honour.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Go Alberta Go
Jammer Six
<nadw...@excite.com> wrote:
€ Up until tonight I was cheering against the Flame-outs. I desperately
€ wanted them to lose to Vancouver.
Do they use guns in this game, or play it underwater?
You guys are treading dangerously close to the line, on-topic-wise.
--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
chilly
"Brian Nadwidny" <nadw...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:40C01139...@excite.com...
> chilly wrote:
> >
> > Yay!!!!! And the city goes wild.
> >
> > I just love this place. :^) :^)
>
> Up until tonight I was cheering against the Flame-outs. I desperately
> wanted them to lose to Vancouver. I wanted them to lose to Detroit. I
> was kinda hoping they would lose to San Jose.
>
> I hate the Flames.
hahahahahaa
>
> And yet despite everything, deep down I was hoping they would pull it
> out tonight.
And it was an incredible pullout too! What a game!
>
> I will never, never, never say that I cheered for Calgary so let's just
> say that I'm firmly going agin' Tampa.
Uh hunh. I knew of all people, I'd get *you* on this one.
>
> Stanley in Tampa? No fucking way.
You got that right!
>
> BTW did you see Greg (the other Mossman) on TV on Monday? He had those
> tickets from work, then did the Red Mile thing. I talked to him Tues. AM
> and he said it was just insane, and this was after a loss.
Damn, no. I missed that. I know it has been just crazy here. Tonight they
figured there were around 50,000 on the Red Mile, among other things, girls
showing their tits and then guys getting arrested for groping them. All up
and down the streets in other areas of Calgary, the car horns were going and
people were yahooing, cheering, laughing, stamping. Some places it sounded
like a stadium filled with people, even though the listeners were in their
own house. Incredible.
>
> When the Flames win on Saturday, this whole province is going to explode
> and the epicenter will be on 17th ave. Have fun. I'll have a beer (just
> one) in their honour.
Aw, come on, Brian. Don't be such a sore . . um . . .er, have two . . on
me. :^)
> Brian
> Edmonton, Alberta
> Go Alberta Go
Come on, you can say it, you can say it . . .GO FLAMES GO!!!!
chilly
"Jammer Six" <jam...@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
news:c9p54t$dn8$0...@216.39.146.232...> ? Up until tonight I was cheering against the Flame-outs. I desperately
> ? wanted them to lose to Vancouver.
>
> Do they use guns in this game, or play it underwater?
They play it on hard water . . .close enough and certainly closer than US
politics or anything Wolfie has had to say.
>
> You guys are treading dangerously close to the line, on-topic-wise.
Hold the line, hold the line . . .GO FLAMES GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
suds
> ? wanted them to lose to Vancouver.
>
> Do they use guns in this game, or play it underwater?
Guns in professional sports? What an interesting idea... LOL
Brian Nadwidny
>
>
> Do they use guns in this game, or play it underwater?
>
> You guys are treading dangerously close to the line, on-topic-wise.
Well...there is underwater hockey. And the NHL plays on ice, which is
made of water.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
www.mossmanscuba.com
Brian Nadwidny
>
> Come on, you can say it, you can say it . . .GO FLAMES GO!!!!
NEVER!!!
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Dillon Pyron
wrote:
>Yay!!!!! And the city goes wild.
>
>I just love this place. :^) :^)
>
For a second I thought you were talking about responses to Longshot.
--
dillon
When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.
John Francis
wrote:
>chilly wrote:
>>
>> Come on, you can say it, you can say it . . .GO FLAMES GO!!!!
>
>NEVER!!!
But he thought it. 8)
JF
John Francis
>In article <40C01139...@excite.com>, Brian Nadwidny
><nadw...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>€ Up until tonight I was cheering against the Flame-outs. I desperately
>€ wanted them to lose to Vancouver.
>
>Do they use guns in this game, or play it underwater?
This is better than guns. These guys use sticks and hand to hand
combat. The rubber projectiles are kinda sissified though. Real men
would use lead pucks.
JF
Crownfield
sort of paintball conquest but with real weapons?
all we need is a marketing person from a tv network,
and a congressman who needs a little money.
Larry Anta
news:ZdVvc.627237$Pk3.406311@pd7tw1no...
> Come on, you can say it, you can say it . . .GO FLAMES GO!!!!
Alright. Go (FUCKING) Flames go! That's the best you get from a Leaf fan.
Scott McFadden
> say that I'm firmly going agin' Tampa.
There's a hockey teams in Tampa? WTF for?
> Stanley in Tampa? No fucking way.
They're playing for the championship too?
My goodness, I'm going to have to reread today's paper sports section,
as these developments are news to me.
> When the Flames win on Saturday, this whole province is going to explode
> and the epicenter will be on 17th ave.
I reckon the celebration will be somewhat more subdued if the Tampa
<whatever the name of the team is> wins.
Although the thought of the best Canuckistanian hockey team losing to
a bunch of FL beach boys is pretty fucking funny.
--
SJM
Galen Hekhuis
>Brian Nadwidny <nadw...@excite.com> wrote in message news:<40C01139...@excite.com>...
>
>> I will never, never, never say that I cheered for Calgary so let's just
>> say that I'm firmly going agin' Tampa.
>
>There's a hockey teams in Tampa? WTF for?
I wondered that too. I broke out in laughter at a paper placemat I got in
a (cheap) restaurant telling all about the Tampa Bay Lightning Ice Hockey
Team. I'll bet that brings back the memories of old timers there who
fondly remember scooting the puck across Tampa Bay in the winter.
>> Stanley in Tampa? No fucking way.
>
>They're playing for the championship too?
>
>My goodness, I'm going to have to reread today's paper sports section,
>as these developments are news to me.
>
>> When the Flames win on Saturday, this whole province is going to explode
>> and the epicenter will be on 17th ave.
>
>I reckon the celebration will be somewhat more subdued if the Tampa
><whatever the name of the team is> wins.
>
>Although the thought of the best Canuckistanian hockey team losing to
>a bunch of FL beach boys is pretty fucking funny.
You have to admit, Florida is right up there sometimes with California for
some truly nutty things.
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA ghek...@earthlink.net
We are the CroMagnon of the future
chilly
"Dillon Pyron" <dmpyron...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:dm41c0d4t5itdoido...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:04:07 GMT, "chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada>
> wrote:
>
> >Yay!!!!! And the city goes wild.
> >
> >I just love this place. :^) :^)
> >
> For a second I thought you were talking about responses to Longshot.
Gack!!!
chilly
"John Francis" <jfra...@orc.delete.ca> wrote in message
news:r281c01hv8gqlp84k...@4ax.com...
Sshhhh . . . I know .. .
:^)
chilly
"Larry Anta" <la...@ryerson.ca> wrote in message
news:c9qh33$3i8$1...@news.ryerson.ca...
Ah, Larry, don't be a sore . . . um, er, have a couple of beers on me.
Brian Nadwidny
>
> Although the thought of the best Canuckistanian hockey team losing to
> a bunch of FL beach boys is pretty fucking funny.
There are more Canuckistanians on the TB team than the Calgary team.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Bryan Heit
> <snip>
>
>Real men
>would use lead pucks.
>
>JF
>
You know they used frozen "cow pies" back in the good ol' days (and we
still do when the ruber one goes AWOL). You knew you were a man of you
took one of those in the mouth and kept on goin...
Bryan
John Francis
I'm so glad I didn't play in the good ole days.
JF
John Francis
wrote:
Hey. I'm with you. After years of ignoring the Buds, I've finally come
back around to liking them. They have lotsa foot soldiers, but they
need some stars. No. 13 can't carry them alone, and Domi's not a star,
although he looked like one in the playoffs. There was no shortage of
heart, just finishing. Hopefully next season, if there is one, they'll
develop more leaders, with more than heart. They'll never win a cup
with 1 1/2 good lines and inconsistent dee. Mebbe the injured players
would have made the difference, but I think they need more than them.
Looking forward to a great season next year, in more ways than one.
JF
John Francis
wrote:
>Brian Nadwidny <nadw...@excite.com> wrote in message news:<40C01139...@excite.com>...
Not really. The serious majority of the players are Canucks and
Russians. It's all about where the money is. No matter how bad they'd
like to be there, I seriously doubt any Fla beach boys would get to
the rink let alone hack it on the ice with real players. Long hair, a
tan and a winning smile count for zip. It takes balls to play pro
hockey, and a winning smile is tuff to pull off with no teeth.
JF
John Francis
wrote:
>Scott McFadden wrote:
Looks like yer right there. On the current rosters I get 3-2 favouring
Calgary.
JF
Brian Nadwidny
chilly
> Hey. I'm with you. After years of ignoring the Buds, I've finally come
> back around to liking them. They have lotsa foot soldiers, but they
> need some stars. No. 13 can't carry them alone,
"couldn't carry a puck in a bucket"
;^)
(snip)> Looking forward to a great season next year, in more ways than one.
ahahhahhaaa
GO FLAMES GO!!!!!!
chilly
Can I buy ya another beer?
"Brian Nadwidny" <nadw...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:40C17FDC...@excite.com...
chilly
hee hee
Brian Nadwidny
>
> Um, speak up there Brian.
>
> Can I buy ya another beer?
Not at the moment. Obviously I've had enough to grow an extra finger or
three.
Anyhoo...go Iggy go.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Brian Nadwidny
>
> Are you choking on something there, Brian?
>
> hee hee
Not at all. I was just thinking about how the Flames are soooo much more
Edmonton than Calgary.
Fer instance, I was in Jarome Iginla's house a couple years ago. Of
course it wasn't his house at the time (show home in St. Albert) but I
was in it. How many Flamers can say the same thing?
Here's another- My dentist is partners with Andrew Ference's dad.
Apparently the place has been taken over by a sea of red.
Good thing my next appointment isn't until October.
Here's another reason why the Flames are more Edmonton than Calgary-
Andrew Ference's sister teaches Junior High here in Sherwood Park. Of
course I kept my kid out of that school!
I hope they win it tomorrow. At least it's them and not the fucking
Maple Laughs.
But I will never say the forbidden phrase.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Go, Anybody but Tampa Bay, Go!
chilly
> chilly wrote:
> >
> > Are you choking on something there, Brian?
> >
> > hee hee
>
> Not at all. I was just thinking about how the Flames are soooo much more
> Edmonton than Calgary.
LOL, so say it then, just say it!!!!!! Bet you do, bet you do. Tonight you
are going to be singing it along with the rest of us, just like you were
during overtime.
You can lie to yerself, buddy, but ya can't lie to yer friends.
>
> Fer instance, I was in Jarome Iginla's house a couple years ago. Of
> course it wasn't his house at the time (show home in St. Albert) but I
> was in it. How many Flamers can say the same thing?
LOL.
>
> Here's another- My dentist is partners with Andrew Ference's dad.
> Apparently the place has been taken over by a sea of red.
>
> Good thing my next appointment isn't until October.
giggle
>
> Here's another reason why the Flames are more Edmonton than Calgary-
>
> Andrew Ference's sister teaches Junior High here in Sherwood Park. Of
> course I kept my kid out of that school!
ahahahaha, you'll claim it but won't name it, eh? ahahahhahahaaa
>
> I hope they win it tomorrow. At least it's them and not the fucking
> Maple Laughs.
>
> But I will never say the forbidden phrase.
Yes, you will, yes you will. You'll be singing it out tomorrow night, just
like the rest of us.
Yahoooooooooo.
>
> Brian
> Edmonton, Alberta
> Go, "Flames", Go!
chilly
> chilly wrote:
> >
> > Um, speak up there Brian.
> >
> > Can I buy ya another beer?
>
> Not at the moment. Obviously I've had enough to grow an extra finger or
> three.
>
> Anyhoo...go Iggy go.
:^) Ya, he's a good Edmanchuker.
>
> Brian
> Edmonton, Alberta
Mike from Ottawa
wrote:
>"chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada> wrote in message
Everybody I know around here is pulling big time for the Flames.
They've been a really gutsy team, playing with a lot of heart. The
Vancouver-Calgary series was great hockey.
GO FLAMES GO!!!
---
Mike from Ottawa
NE333RO
>They've been a really gutsy team, playing with a lot of heart. The
>Vancouver-Calgary series was great hockey.
>
>GO FLAMES GO!!!
You guys just keep patting yourselves on the back. Tomorrow will be a whole
new day and series.
Mike from Ottawa
Tomorrow it will all be over, apart from the ongoing party that starts
tonight.
---
Mike from Ottawa
NE333RO
>tonight.
Party on Garth. There'll be another game Monday. A home game. :o)
Popeye NCAT3
>>Although the thought of the best Canuckistanian hockey team losing to
>>a bunch of FL beach boys is pretty fucking funny.
>
>Not really. The serious majority of the players are Canucks and
>Russians. It's all about where the money is. No matter how bad they'd
>like to be there, I seriously doubt any Fla beach boys would get to
>the rink let alone hack it on the ice with real players. Long hair, a
>tan and a winning smile count for zip. It takes balls to play pro
>hockey, and a winning smile is tuff to pull off with no teeth.
"I resent silly personal judgements about some of us merely on the basis of
nationality."
-John Francis
Popeye
"I had finally arranged a meeting that would cost him a grand
to weasel out of, but he, um... declined to attend."
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: John Francis jfra...@orc.delete.ca
>
>>>Although the thought of the best Canuckistanian hockey team losing to
>>>a bunch of FL beach boys is pretty fucking funny.
>>
>>Not really. The serious majority of the players are Canucks and
>>Russians. It's all about where the money is. No matter how bad they'd
>>like to be there, I seriously doubt any Fla beach boys would get to
>>the rink let alone hack it on the ice with real players. Long hair, a
>>tan and a winning smile count for zip. It takes balls to play pro
>>hockey, and a winning smile is tuff to pull off with no teeth.
>
>
> "I resent silly personal judgements about some of us merely on the basis of
>nationality."
>
> -John Francis
>
Funny. I've never thought of Florida as a nation. In any event, my
reference to Fla beach boys was in keeping with yours.
Just out of interest though, does anyone know of any southern boys,
let alone beach boys, who've made it to the NHL? As far as I know
they're mainly from Minnesota and the NE where they've taken up hockey
as a minor sport. There is one player in the playoffs who was born in
SA but none in the southern states that I know of.
Of course it's for the same reasons that few Canucks make it as pro
ball players. Our ball season is very short here and the good athletes
are involved with hockey from September till April.
JF
Popeye NCAT3
>>>Not really. The serious majority of the players are Canucks and
>>>Russians. It's all about where the money is. No matter how bad they'd
>>>like to be there, I seriously doubt any Fla beach boys would get to
>>>the rink let alone hack it on the ice with real players. Long hair, a
>>>tan and a winning smile count for zip. It takes balls to play pro
>>>hockey, and a winning smile is tuff to pull off with no teeth.
>>
>>
>> "I resent silly personal judgements about some of us merely on the basis
>>of nationality."
>>
>> -John Francis
>>
>Funny. I've never thought of Florida as a nation. In any event, my
>reference to Fla beach boys was in keeping with yours.
>
>Just out of interest though, does anyone know of any southern boys,
>let alone beach boys, who've made it to the NHL? As far as I know
>they're mainly from Minnesota and the NE where they've taken up hockey
>as a minor sport. There is one player in the playoffs who was born in
>SA but none in the southern states that I know of.
This is just you dancing a jig, John.
The post was nationalistic and grossly insulting.
Nice to Tell Mike Gray and Lee Bell what you think of them.
Guess being rudely insulting doesn't count if you're Canadian.
Only if you're American.
Brian Nadwidny
> Of course it's for the same reasons that few Canucks make it as pro
> ball players. Our ball season is very short here and the good athletes
> are involved with hockey from September till April.
Plus some of those good enough to play pro ball concentrate exclusively
on hockey instead when they reach their mid to late teens (Wayne
Gretzky, Jarome Iginla to name a couple.)
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Mike from Ottawa
Damn. OK, we'll get it then. Both teams are pretty well balanced,
and the momentum continually shifts back and forth.
---
Mike from Ottawa
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: John Francis jfra...@orc.delete.ca
>
>>>>Not really. The serious majority of the players are Canucks and
>>>>Russians. It's all about where the money is. No matter how bad they'd
>>>>like to be there, I seriously doubt any Fla beach boys would get to
>>>>the rink let alone hack it on the ice with real players. Long hair, a
>>>>tan and a winning smile count for zip. It takes balls to play pro
>>>>hockey, and a winning smile is tuff to pull off with no teeth.
>>>
>>>
>>> "I resent silly personal judgements about some of us merely on the basis
>>>of nationality."
>>>
>>> -John Francis
>>>
>>Funny. I've never thought of Florida as a nation. In any event, my
>>reference to Fla beach boys was in keeping with yours.
>>
>>Just out of interest though, does anyone know of any southern boys,
>>let alone beach boys, who've made it to the NHL? As far as I know
>>they're mainly from Minnesota and the NE where they've taken up hockey
>>as a minor sport. There is one player in the playoffs who was born in
>>SA but none in the southern states that I know of.
>
> This is just you dancing a jig, John.
Am I dancing too fast for you? 8)
> The post was nationalistic and grossly insulting.
Balls. You're being overly sensitive. You need thick skin to be a
rec.scuba survivor.
> Nice to Tell Mike Gray and Lee Bell what you think of them.
I'm confident they know what I think of them, and none of it has
anything to do with hockey or beach boys, nor do I doubt for a second
that what I have to say about hockey or beachboys bothers them one
iota.
> Guess being rudely insulting doesn't count if you're Canadian.
Wrong. If anything most Canadians tend to be more considerate of
others' feelings. We are inclined to go the extra step to avoid
gratuitous rudeness until pressed to respond in kind. Most of us have
the usual capacity for extreme rudeness if called upon to deliver. We
just don't choose it as a matter of course.
> Only if you're American.
Certainly not. Being American doesn't make rudeness any less
insulting.
JF
John Francis
wrote:
>John Francis wrote:
You're right. I remember Wayne as a ballplayer. He was good. Lots of
hockey players were exceptional ballplayers, and you're right, they
simply preferred hockey. The two sports call for the same kind of
coordination and athletic ability.
JF
Popeye NCAT3
>> This is just you dancing a jig, John.
>
>Am I dancing too fast for you? 8)
Not so far.
>> The post was nationalistic and grossly insulting.
>
>Balls. You're being overly sensitive. You need thick skin to be a
>rec.scuba survivor.
Check.
Only Canadians are tough enough to play hockey.
>> Nice to Tell Mike Gray and Lee Bell what you think of them.
>
>I'm confident they know what I think of them, and none of it has
>anything to do with hockey or beach boys, nor do I doubt for a second
>that what I have to say about hockey or beachboys bothers them one
>iota.
I certainly don't think they're bothered either, but they're smack in the
swath of your nationalistically wide paintbrush.
Kinda like me going off on Canadians, eh?
>> Guess being rudely insulting doesn't count if you're Canadian.
>
>Wrong. If anything most Canadians tend to be more considerate of
>others' feelings.
Bullshit, as directly evidenced.
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: John Francis jfra...@orc.delete.ca
>
>>> This is just you dancing a jig, John.
>>
>>Am I dancing too fast for you? 8)
>
> Not so far.
>
>>> The post was nationalistic and grossly insulting.
>>
>>Balls. You're being overly sensitive. You need thick skin to be a
>>rec.scuba survivor.
>
> Check.
>
> Only Canadians are tough enough to play hockey.
No way. There are a few Americans playing, and playing well.
>>> Nice to Tell Mike Gray and Lee Bell what you think of them.
>>
>>I'm confident they know what I think of them, and none of it has
>>anything to do with hockey or beach boys, nor do I doubt for a second
>>that what I have to say about hockey or beachboys bothers them one
>>iota.
>
> I certainly don't think they're bothered either, but they're smack in the
>swath of your nationalistically wide paintbrush.
I'll hear from them if they feel threatened, I'm sure. I have a
suspicion that, if they're even bothering to read this, they're
chuckling at best, or worst.
> Kinda like me going off on Canadians, eh?
>
>>> Guess being rudely insulting doesn't count if you're Canadian.
>>
>>Wrong. If anything most Canadians tend to be more considerate of
>>others' feelings.
>
> Bullshit, as directly evidenced.
We are also apparently more attuned to that oh so popular rec.scuba
word, context. I didn't say we won't respond in kind. Being polite and
considerate in rec.scuba is pretty much like speaking Swahili in
Valentine, Nebraska. I'm simply tailoring my tone and tenor to suit
the context here. In other situations I'm a model of proper Canuck
decorum.
But isn't it the freedom to say what's on our minds that makes
rec.scuba unique? And also why it's so difficult for newcomers to
adapt easily?
JF
chilly
> I'm confident they know what I think of them, and none of it has
> anything to do with hockey or beach boys, nor do I doubt for a second
> that what I have to say about hockey or beachboys bothers them one
> iota.
That's because they are all grown up.
chilly
"Mike from Ottawa" <mev@tika_CANOE_.ca> wrote in message
news:nsh6c0pjj242o8pni...@4ax.com...
Not enough times, last night. The results of the game, really put a damper
on the party. ;^)
NE333RO
>on the party. ;^)
No it didn't :o)
Popeye NCAT3
>No way. There are a few Americans playing, and playing well.
There goes the neighborhood.
>> I certainly don't think they're bothered either, but they're smack in the
>>swath of your nationalistically wide paintbrush.
>
>I'll hear from them if they feel threatened, I'm sure. I have a
>suspicion that, if they're even bothering to read this, they're
>chuckling at best, or worst.
Sad that you missed the point.
>> Bullshit, as directly evidenced.
>
>We are also apparently more attuned to that oh so popular rec.scuba
>word, context. I didn't say we won't respond in kind.
Ah.
When I do it, you criticize.
When you do it, it's "responding in kind".
Check.
Would you mind evidencing that?
>But isn't it the freedom to say what's on our minds that makes
>rec.scuba unique?
I guess if you're Canadian.
If you're American and you do it, you're just a jingoistic asshole.
Popeye NCAT3
>Date: 6/6/2004 2:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <TcJwc.649789$Pk3.261044@pd7tw1no>
I see you're (totally) blind to the point as well.
Or maybe it's just that Canadian thing.
John Francis
wrote:
>>But isn't it the freedom to say what's on our minds that makes
>>rec.scuba unique?
>
> I guess if you're Canadian.
>
> If you're American and you do it, you're just a jingoistic asshole.
Who called you that?
JF
Popeye NCAT3
>Date: 6/6/2004 4:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <e1u6c013ojlqvjik8...@4ax.com>
Of the Euro-whiners, who hasn't?
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: John Francis jfra...@orc.delete.ca
>>Date: 6/6/2004 4:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <e1u6c013ojlqvjik8...@4ax.com>
>>
>>On 06 Jun 2004 19:24:53 GMT, buzcu...@aol.comByteMe (Popeye NCAT3)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>But isn't it the freedom to say what's on our minds that makes
>>>>rec.scuba unique?
>>>
>>> I guess if you're Canadian.
>>>
>>> If you're American and you do it, you're just a jingoistic asshole.
>>
>>Who called you that?
>
>
> Of the Euro-whiners, who hasn't?
I missed it then. Can you steer me to the quote? I have a vague
recollection of someone citing you that way, but the source escapes me
at the moment.
On another topic. If I was passing thru Atlanta on the way to Florida
for some diving in July or August, sans wife, would you be able to get
away? A young friend and I are considering something like that, and he
doesn't seem to totally believe I actually know the famous Popeye (and
other icons of rec.scuba) in the flesh. I'll be driving the van, so
there's lots of room, and it will be a 5 or 6 day forage at best (from
Atlanta and back) so if you can get away, say now or forever hold your
peace (or piece).
BTW. Mebbe we'll pick Wagner up on the way thru Cleveland, if he can
get away. But you guys have to be on yer best behaviour. I don't think
we can handle nights like the one you, Airhog and BW had in Toledo.
We're shy, retiring, and unfamiliar with the big city ways, and I'm
useless with a hangover, especially around ladies of the night. Some
would say I'm also useless without a hangover but that's neither here
nor there.
The trip is only a possibility at the moment, but I'd sure like to do
some diving. It will also give Mike and Lee an opportunity to
remonstrate with me about my views on Amerkins and hockey. 8)
JF
Popeye NCAT3
>> Of the Euro-whiners, who hasn't?
>
>I missed it then. Can you steer me to the quote? I have a vague
>recollection of someone citing you that way, but the source escapes me
>at the moment.
I'll point it out next time you do it.
>BTW. Mebbe we'll pick Wagner up on the way thru Cleveland, if he can
>get away. But you guys have to be on yer best behaviour. I don't think
>we can handle nights like the one you, Airhog and BW had in Toledo.
>We're shy, retiring, and unfamiliar with the big city ways, and I'm
>useless with a hangover, especially around ladies of the night. Some
>would say I'm also useless without a hangover but that's neither here
>nor there.
I'd be down with that.
Later is better.
Depends on Kimbers' brain surgery (mebee this month late), and recovery time
(30 days bare min).
Don't worry about the big city thing, I've got enough weapons to arm half of
Canada.
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: John Francis jfra...@orc.delete.ca
>
>>> Of the Euro-whiners, who hasn't?
>>
>>I missed it then. Can you steer me to the quote? I have a vague
>>recollection of someone citing you that way, but the source escapes me
>>at the moment.
>
> I'll point it out next time you do it.
But that doesn't help pin down the recent occurrence.
>
>>BTW. Mebbe we'll pick Wagner up on the way thru Cleveland, if he can
>>get away. But you guys have to be on yer best behaviour. I don't think
>>we can handle nights like the one you, Airhog and BW had in Toledo.
>>We're shy, retiring, and unfamiliar with the big city ways, and I'm
>>useless with a hangover, especially around ladies of the night. Some
>>would say I'm also useless without a hangover but that's neither here
>>nor there.
>
> I'd be down with that.
>
> Later is better.
>
> Depends on Kimbers' brain surgery (mebee this month late), and recovery time
>(30 days bare min).
Keep me posted, in private if necessary. You guys are using up a lot
of praying power, aren't you? Dayum! The burden of friends. 8)
> Don't worry about the big city thing, I've got enough weapons to arm half of
>Canada.
Don't expect me to use one. I'm a Canuck. We cringe in the presence of
heavy artillery.
JF
Scott McFadden
> Not really. The serious majority of the players are Canucks and
> Russians.
Which is probably why hardly anyone gives a Damn about hockey in the
USA. For example, I re-checked the sports section of the 6-4-04 USA
Today and hockey coverage began, and ended, on page 16c.
> It's all about where the money is. No matter how bad they'd
> like to be there, I seriously doubt any Fla beach boys would get to
> the rink let alone hack it on the ice with real players. Long hair, a
> tan and a winning smile count for zip. It takes balls to play pro
> hockey, and a winning smile is tuff to pull off with no teeth.
Yea sure.
Send your best college football (not soccer) team down here to play
the Gators, Seminoles, and then, if there is anything left, the
Hurricanes.
In September.
I know how you Canuckistanians love the heat and humidity that time of
year.
You will need to arrange a "med-evac" for the flight home, tough guy.
--
SJM
Scott McFadden
> Scott McFadden wrote:
> >
> > Although the thought of the best Canuckistanian hockey team losing to
> > a bunch of FL beach boys is pretty fucking funny.
>
> There are more Canuckistanians on the TB team than the Calgary team.
There are also more Canuckistanians in FL during the winter than there
are left up in Canuckistan.
Perhaps this is the reason why we have a team here.
It's the only possible explanation I have.
--
SJM
Mike from Ottawa
wrote:
A recent story in the paper, before the start of the playoffs, had the
TB owner saying they were too far south for hockey and they just
couldn't attract enough fans.
When it's in the 90s F, they're having problems with both the ice and
attracting fans during the regular season, he may have a point.
I really don't know who'd want to own a pro hockey team in a
semi-tropical or desert area. Seems like a waste of time, money and
effort.
---
Mike from Ottawa
Popeye NCAT3
>> I'll point it out next time you do it.
>
>But that doesn't help pin down the recent occurrence.
It's so frequent, I'll just wait for the next one.
>> Depends on Kimbers' brain surgery (mebee this month late), and recovery
>time
>>(30 days bare min).
>
>Keep me posted, in private if necessary. You guys are using up a lot
>of praying power, aren't you? Dayum! The burden of friends. 8)
Pray for her.
You might get a lightning bolt mentioning me, and I'm doing fine.
Blew off my last doctor's appointment by accident, you can see my concern.
>Don't expect me to use one. I'm a Canuck. We cringe in the presence of
>heavy artillery.
Bring a hockey stick. :-)
John Francis
wrote:
>Brian Nadwidny <nadw...@excite.com> wrote in message news:<40C0DEB4...@excite.com>...
And they remember the good ole days when hockey was played in the cold
outdoors with frozen foots.
JF
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: John Francis jfra...@orc.delete.ca
>
>>> I'll point it out next time you do it.
>>
>>But that doesn't help pin down the recent occurrence.
>
> It's so frequent, I'll just wait for the next one.
>
>>> Depends on Kimbers' brain surgery (mebee this month late), and recovery
>>time
>>>(30 days bare min).
>>
>>Keep me posted, in private if necessary. You guys are using up a lot
>>of praying power, aren't you? Dayum! The burden of friends. 8)
>
> Pray for her.
>
> You might get a lightning bolt mentioning me, and I'm doing fine.
>
> Blew off my last doctor's appointment by accident, you can see my concern.
>
>>Don't expect me to use one. I'm a Canuck. We cringe in the presence of
>>heavy artillery.
>
> Bring a hockey stick. :-)
I'll get Tim Taylor to autograph one fer ya. I'll be seeing him at
the golf club this summer. Or mebbe a Canuck's autograph doesn't mean
anything. 8)
JF
John Francis
wrote:
>John Francis <jfra...@orc.delete.ca> wrote in message news:<it42c0l6a6pbe6in6...@4ax.com>...
Methinks our hockey players would turn yer muscle bound football
drones into pretzels. Hockey's a mobility sport. Football players are
either too musclebound or too one way . Soccer players are probably in
better shape than most football players, or is that why you
disqualified them? I suspect that if you were to do a head to head
physical matchup with team against team, the hockey players would win,
hands down. They're just better all round athletes, no doubt in my
mind. There's a slim chance the football jocks would win if you
matched muscle mass or weight lifting ability. But we'd ask for a
spelling bee tie breaker. That would clinch it in hockey's favour. 8)
JF
Popeye NCAT3
> I'll get Tim Taylor to autograph one fer ya. I'll be seeing him at
>the golf club this summer. Or mebbe a Canuck's autograph doesn't mean
>anything. 8)
It's the hockey stick that wouldn't mean anything.
Last one I had worked great for cleaning out the gutters. :-)
Popeye NCAT3
>There's a slim chance the football jocks would win if you
>matched muscle mass or weight lifting ability
Check.
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: John Francis jfra...@orc.delete.ca
>
>
>> I'll get Tim Taylor to autograph one fer ya. I'll be seeing him at
>>the golf club this summer. Or mebbe a Canuck's autograph doesn't mean
>>anything. 8)
>
> It's the hockey stick that wouldn't mean anything.
>
> Last one I had worked great for cleaning out the gutters. :-)
Good fer wackin' cats, too.
JF
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: John Francis jfra...@orc.delete.ca
>
>>There's a slim chance the football jocks would win if you
>>matched muscle mass or weight lifting ability
>
> Check.
Steroids vs agility. It's a tossup. 8)
JF
NE333RO
>the golf club this summer. Or mebbe a Canuck's autograph doesn't mean
>anything. 8)
I can't promise a hockey stick, but it should be pretty easy to get a
picture of him with the Stanley Cup if you'd like. I'll have to wait for
tomorrow night though :o)
Ron T
>
> A recent story in the paper, before the start of the playoffs, had the
> TB owner saying they were too far south for hockey and they just
> couldn't attract enough fans.
>
> When it's in the 90s F, they're having problems with both the ice and
> attracting fans during the regular season, he may have a point.
>
> I really don't know who'd want to own a pro hockey team in a
> semi-tropical or desert area. Seems like a waste of time, money and
> effort.
>
> ---
> Mike from Ottawa
Gee.. that's strange seeing as how the Lightning hold the league record
for indoor attendence to a game at just over 28,000. Even during
thisseries the attendence at the St. Pete Times Forum in Tampa has been
slightly higher than in Canuckland.
Of course you are right - why wouldanyone want to go into a nice cool
building when we can melt outside in 90+ temps.
BTW, you want strange? Would you believe there is a Curling club in
Tampa Bay! Among the members is former national champion Mike Slyziuk
(mind you he won the title in 1959 and 1963).
Popeye NCAT3
>> I really don't know who'd want to own a pro hockey team in a
>> semi-tropical or desert area. Seems like a waste of time, money and
>> effort.
>>
>> ---
>> Mike from Ottawa
>Gee.. that's strange seeing as how the Lightning hold the league record
>for indoor attendence to a game at just over 28,000. Even during
>thisseries the attendence at the St. Pete Times Forum in Tampa has been
>slightly higher than in Canuckland.
<snicker>
Just more Canadian imperialism, Ron.
Looks like the Florida beach boys make up a significant portion of the
league.
http://www.killer-essays.com/Misc/hockey.shtml
Mike from Ottawa
wrote:
>
>>
>> A recent story in the paper, before the start of the playoffs, had the
>> TB owner saying they were too far south for hockey and they just
>> couldn't attract enough fans.
>>
>> When it's in the 90s F, they're having problems with both the ice and
>> attracting fans during the regular season, he may have a point.
>>
>> I really don't know who'd want to own a pro hockey team in a
>> semi-tropical or desert area. Seems like a waste of time, money and
>> effort.
>>
>> ---
>> Mike from Ottawa
>
>
>Gee.. that's strange seeing as how the Lightning hold the league record
>for indoor attendence to a game at just over 28,000. Even during
>thisseries the attendence at the St. Pete Times Forum in Tampa has been
>slightly higher than in Canuckland.
They had trouble selling out during some of the playoffs, which is
strange.
I checked and their attendance was the fifth highest in the NHL. I'm
surprised. We're used to hearing about Carolina and other southern
cities having a problem filling the seats.
>Of course you are right - why wouldanyone want to go into a nice cool
>building when we can melt outside in 90+ temps.
Got a point there!
>BTW, you want strange? Would you believe there is a Curling club in
>Tampa Bay! Among the members is former national champion Mike Slyziuk
>(mind you he won the title in 1959 and 1963).
>
> http://www.floridacurling.com
Maybe that's related to your point about getting into a cool place
when it's hotter than hell outside. Is curling catching on at all in
the US?
---
Mike from Ottawa
Brian Nadwidny
>
>
> Gee.. that's strange seeing as how the Lightning hold the league record
> for indoor attendence to a game at just over 28,000. Even during
> thisseries the attendence at the St. Pete Times Forum in Tampa has been
> slightly higher than in Canuckland.
Bigger arena. More seats.
In Calgary they're showing the away games on TV at the Saddledome. And
they fill the place. Bet that doesn't happen in Tampa.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
John Francis CID
He could sneak a look over Jarome's shoulder as Calgary hoists the
Cup? 8)
I'm really torn on this one. I'd like to see Tim win it again, but I'd
also like to see a Canuck team win again. It's been too long.
JF
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
Scott McFadden
> Methinks our hockey players would turn yer muscle bound football
> drones into pretzels. Hockey's a mobility sport.
Yea right, be able to skate around like male versions of Katarina
Witt, Michelle Kwan, and Dorothy Hamil.
Tell 'em to bring their scary, bad asses on down here and play some
football.
They'll be sure to receive plenty of "pancakes" to go with their
"pretzels".
--
SJM
John Francis CID
wrote:
>John Francis <jfra...@orc.delete.ca> wrote in message news:<33g7c0pvepsmha9j0...@4ax.com>...
I'll pass along yer challenge to them. They'll get a chuckle out of
it, I'm sure. Your comparison of hockey players and figure skaters is
exactly why hockey is wasted on certain markets.
Anyway, it would be more interesting to watch football players try to
put their big bad asses on skates and play hockey. It would test their
multi-tasking abilities.
Jess Englewood
> Methinks our hockey players would turn yer muscle bound football
> drones into pretzels. Hockey's a mobility sport. Football players are
> either too musclebound or too one way . Soccer players are probably in
> better shape than most football players, or is that why you
> disqualified them? I suspect that if you were to do a head to head
> physical matchup with team against team, the hockey players would win,
> hands down.
Actually, and I don't know if you guys get it up there, CBS and ESPN sports
do a number of competitions between athletes from different sports. The
events are based on speed, agility, strength, hand/eye coordination and
conditioning. Hockey players are about the worst (only boxers are lousier,
in fact they don't invite boxers anymore), football player do better but
seldom rule the competition. The best conditioned, agile and speedy
competitors seem to come from the sking community. They just whip shit on
almost all other sports. It's pretty interesting. Of course track and field
people used to do well also.
Strange thing is, in my mind there is nothing more difficult than being and
preparing to be a professional boxer.
> They're just better all round athletes, no doubt in my
> mind.
They aren't. Everything it too specialized anymore. But I would take an NFL
running back, wideout, defensive back or safety against any hockey player
any time. While I love hockey and continue to spend inordinate amounts of
money on it, a hockey player cannot compete with those types of athletes
over a broad range of athletic endeavor.
Jess Englewood
"John Francis CID" <johnf...@sympatico.ca.remove> wrote in message
news:io59c09vkurrafr47...@4ax.com...
> I'll pass along yer challenge to them. They'll get a chuckle out of
> it, I'm sure. Your comparison of hockey players and figure skaters is
> exactly why hockey is wasted on certain markets.
John, with all due respect....the reason hockey cannot find a broad market
is because it is politically corrupt. Hockey is essentially handicapped,
like horseracing. If you are a superb player, better than most, then when
the playoffs arrive the pinheads in Toronto and the pinheads in stripes are
going to allow an added measure of mugging against you, without penalty (in
the same way that a smaller faster horse will be handicapped with carrying
equal weight to a bigger slower horse). And if you are the best player on
the ice AND not from North America then expect to beaten to a pulp by
players who aren't qualified to sniff your jock after the game. It's pitiful
and pathetic and is one of the greatest reasons NHL hockey cannot reach a
broader market.
When Jerry Rice went to Super Bowls the defenders weren't allowed an extra
measure of grabbing and holding in order to level the field. When Barry
Bonds steps to the plate the strike zone doesn't suddenly get any bigger
than it was for the previous batter. When Renaldo breaks for the net the
defenders are not allowed an extra elbow or two just because he is a better
player.
There has to be some measure integrity in the officiating and management of
a game and hockey has lost it. Particularly when it comes to great players
from outside North America. Canada is so afraid of the Swedes they allow
almost any measure of defense against them in the playoffs. THAT is why NHL
hockey will never reach a bigger market.
There is no major sport anywhere that has officiating as lousy as the NHL,
not even soccer. That's what's killing the game in the eyes of everyone who
isn't Canadian.
John Francis
wrote:
I don't think it's Canadians per se who want exceptions. It's the
hockey marketers and the tv moguls who want to mess with the makeup of
the game, from inventing new rules to trying to influence the way the
officials do their job.
We were happy with our little game the way it was, and many of us
would like to see it played the way it used to be before tv market
share became a dominant factor.
Hockey's a very fast game, and because of the speed, very tough to
officiate to everyone's satisfaction. Lots of violations are missed
because the officials can't be looking everywhere at all times. Folks
who know hockey understand that and accept missed calls as part of the
system.
I'd like to have a chance to review those athleticism/strength
comparison tests you mentioned.The young guys I know work their butts
off all summer to keep in playing shape. The combination of speed and
physical abuse requires huge resources of stamina and resilience. Can
you steer me to a source on the net for those comparisons?
JF
Jess Englewood
> I don't think it's Canadians per se who want exceptions.
Nah, it is indeed Canadians, though maybe not Canadian fans. How else does
one explain the absolute drubbing a player like Forsberg suffers while the
officials stare glassy-eyed. Do any of these things to Yzerman or Sakic and
you'll get totally different officiating. Elbow Mario like Moore did Naslund
and you'll get not only different officiating but different discipline from
Toronto (this isn't to say I have any patience for Bert's actions latter).
But in fact, had the officials treated Naslund as they would a Canadian
star, Big Bert probably wouldn't have been incensed to the extent he was. He
wasn't only pissed at Moore, but also at the total lack of respect afford
his friend, one of the finest hockey players in the world.
> It's the
> hockey marketers and the tv moguls who want to mess with the makeup of
> the game, from inventing new rules to trying to influence the way the
> officials do their job.
Once again, nah. The league needs a few new rules. The rules of the game
must keep up with the quality of play, which is faster, bigger and more
skilled than anytime in it's past. And as far as influencing the officials,
well, the league is as gutless in forcing them to call games correctly as
the officials are in letting the game be played man vs. man (as opposed to
Canadian man vs. other man).
> We were happy with our little game the way it was, and many of us
> would like to see it played the way it used to be before tv market
> share became a dominant factor.
You still get that, though not at the NHL level. Personally I would never
want to see the game revert back to either the Flyer's of the 70's or the
era of Gretzky. Certainly the game of my youth, the 60's, wasn't played with
half the skill, speed or strength, as it is today. Which is precisely why
rules must be adjusted. Playing today's game with rules from 1950 is as
futile as comparing Terry Sawchuck to Patty Roy.
To me it's simple. Keep all the lines, if a goalie leaves his crease to play
the puck he can get hit, get rid of the icing touch-up (the players are to
big and too fast and too many arenas have shitty boards and glass) and call
the game as if every player had equal right to be on the ice. Outside of
that most rules have been adjusted for the current state of player (other
than maybe the instigator rule).
> Hockey's a very fast game, and because of the speed, very tough to
> officiate to everyone's satisfaction.
But that isn't the problem. All other sports have calls missed because of
speed of game. Fans of every game are used to, and fairly reasonable, about
this simple fact. Hockey has a present and direct prejudice exercised by
the officials at their whim. That's what people new to hockey find so
worthless. And hockey, like every sport, needs new fans.
> Lots of violations are missed
> because the officials can't be looking everywhere at all times.
Actually with 2 officials there isn't much that should be missed. But what
they miss isn't the point, it's what they don't call that is.
> Folks
> who know hockey understand that and accept missed calls as part of the
> system.
That's a tired excuse. Those "who know hockey". Now you sound like Grapes
and Melrose and Clement when the question of fighting comes up. You can't
even come close to understanding the history and knowledge of the fan base
in the US, if you continue to buy into that excuse. But Canada has had
blinders on where hockey is concerned, for a long time. That is indeed some
of the problem....the pinheads in Toronto tend to want to placate Canadian
fans rather than the whole fan base, of which Canada is not the largest
segment. And when challenged it is always the same old tired response,
"those who know the game"...........
Let me say this again. While the officiating on the whole is lousy, worse
than any other major sport in NA, it is the favoritism showed to Canadian
(and to a lesser extent American) players that is killing the league. It
isn't missed calls that are the question, it is prejudice against the
better more skilled European players that is killing the league. The future
of the NHL is in the hands of the Euro players and Canada is fighting that
day and night, and ruining the league in the process.
Ya want to know why they want to keep fighting in the game?....because
Europe doesn't develop fighters. And I happen to be one of the people whom
fighting does not bother. I like a good go as much as anyone else (though
it's tough to say there is a place in hockey for fighting after having seen
Peter Worrell try to skate :^)
> I'd like to have a chance to review those athleticism/strength
> comparison tests you mentioned.
They are not tests, they are competitions. They do all kinds of thing from
running obstacle courses, to lifting weights, to strongman type lifting, to
bowling, tennis, golf, basketball, running, and other things. It's fairly
comprehensive if you are talking about general sporting activity.
> The young guys I know work their butts
> off all summer to keep in playing shape.
So do football players. And they are, pound to pound, every bit as quick and
faster than hockey players, and stronger too.
> The combination of speed and
> physical abuse requires huge resources of stamina and resilience.
Usually the physical aspect of hockey is overstated. In the playoffs it
picks up, but during the regular season you simply cannot play a physical
game for 82 games at 3 games per week. If you haven't played football, then
you don't really understand the ferocity of hitting that takes place or what
being hit by unnaturally sized human specimens is capable of. They are both
very tough games when played with a physical intent. I'd be hesitant to
claim one is tougher than the other. I do know that more careers are ended
due to injury in football than in hockey.
I would argue with you the issue of stamina in hockey, and do it all day and
all
night. Recovery yes, but stamina.....nope...not in today's game.
> Can you steer me to a source on the net for those comparisons?
No, they're on TV. Just tune in and watch. Keep your eye open for them, they
will be showing more of them during the summer when many pro sports are on
hiatus.
Popeye NCAT3
>I'd like to have a chance to review those athleticism/strength
>comparison tests you mentioned.The young guys I know work their butts
>off all summer to keep in playing shape.
Like any professional athlete doesn't?
>The combination of speed and
>physical abuse requires huge resources of stamina and resilience. Can
>you steer me to a source on the net for those comparisons?
I'm sure that like soccer or basketball players, hockey players have a lot of
stamina.
But you specifically said muscle mass and weight lifting.
I'll put the 300-350 lb NFL guys up against the cute little 200 lb hockey
players any day.
Popeye NCAT3
NE333RO
>also like to see a Canuck team win again. It's been too long.
You'd rather see any old Canadian team win it over a team that has never
won it?
Jess Englewood
"NE333RO" <ne3...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040607182451...@mb-m04.aol.com...
In Canadian hockey terms Calgary isn't an old Canadian team, having moved
from Hotlanta in '79 or '80. They were an early '70's expansion team called
the Atlanta Flames. A pasty white ice hockey team in the hotbed of an
American black culture renaissance...........boy they drew the crowds :^)
Popeye NCAT3
>Date: 6/7/2004 6:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <kh6xc.40$gm6....@news.uswest.net>
I'm gettin a woody.
I didn't think anyone south of Niagra Falls could even spell hockey.
John Francis
wrote:
>
>"John Francis" <jfra...@orc.delete.ca> wrote in message
>news:7bf9c0d7il234gn4p...@4ax.com...
>
>> I don't think it's Canadians per se who want exceptions.
>
>Nah, it is indeed Canadians, though maybe not Canadian fans. How else does
>one explain the absolute drubbing a player like Forsberg suffers while the
>officials stare glassy-eyed. Do any of these things to Yzerman or Sakic and
>you'll get totally different officiating. Elbow Mario like Moore did Naslund
>and you'll get not only different officiating but different discipline from
>Toronto (this isn't to say I have any patience for Bert's actions latter).
>But in fact, had the officials treated Naslund as they would a Canadian
>star, Big Bert probably wouldn't have been incensed to the extent he was. He
>wasn't only pissed at Moore, but also at the total lack of respect afford
>his friend, one of the finest hockey players in the world.
I'm not sure that Canadians really have all that much say in how the
game is played these days. I think it's the league moguls catering to
the money. The Bertuzzi thing was a lack or loss of control, probably
due to frustration. You are probably at least partly right.
>> It's the
>> hockey marketers and the tv moguls who want to mess with the makeup of
>> the game, from inventing new rules to trying to influence the way the
>> officials do their job.
>
>Once again, nah. The league needs a few new rules. The rules of the game
>must keep up with the quality of play, which is faster, bigger and more
>skilled than anytime in it's past. And as far as influencing the officials,
>well, the league is as gutless in forcing them to call games correctly as
>the officials are in letting the game be played man vs. man (as opposed to
>Canadian man vs. other man).
Faster and bigger, yes. More skilled. I'm not so sure. With the
dilution of the league through expansion I doubt the average calibre
of players is as high as it was when there were only the six teams.
Without a doubt there are some great players today, probably the best
in the history of the game, but most 3rd & 4th lines today wouldn't be
in the 6 team NHL.
>
>> We were happy with our little game the way it was, and many of us
>> would like to see it played the way it used to be before tv market
>> share became a dominant factor.
>
>You still get that, though not at the NHL level. Personally I would never
>want to see the game revert back to either the Flyer's of the 70's or the
>era of Gretzky. Certainly the game of my youth, the 60's, wasn't played with
>half the skill, speed or strength, as it is today. Which is precisely why
>rules must be adjusted. Playing today's game with rules from 1950 is as
>futile as comparing Terry Sawchuck to Patty Roy.
The old rules still work fine. How much better might Terry Sawchuk
have been with the bigger pads and gloves and the helmet and mask?
Hard to compare. For sure those guys didn't work as hard at
conditioning as the modern kids but they put on a damned fine show all
the same.
>To me it's simple. Keep all the lines, if a goalie leaves his crease to play
>the puck he can get hit, get rid of the icing touch-up (the players are to
>big and too fast and too many arenas have shitty boards and glass) and call
>the game as if every player had equal right to be on the ice. Outside of
>that most rules have been adjusted for the current state of player (other
>than maybe the instigator rule).
I don't think the goalies should be fair game. In fact, I wouldn't
mind dropping the icing rule and protect them so they have to play the
puck. Sounds like they're going with an automatic icing rule instead
though and not allowing the goalie to play behind the goal line.
>> Hockey's a very fast game, and because of the speed, very tough to
>> officiate to everyone's satisfaction.
>
> And hockey, like every sport, needs new fans.
Why? There's enough of us for 6 teams. 8)
>> Lots of violations are missed
>> because the officials can't be looking everywhere at all times.
>
>Actually with 2 officials there isn't much that should be missed. But what
>they miss isn't the point, it's what they don't call that is.
Those are the league instructions to speed up the game and fit it into
tv slots between ads.
>> Folks
>> who know hockey understand that and accept missed calls as part of the
>> system.
>
>That's a tired excuse. Those "who know hockey". Now you sound like Grapes
>and Melrose and Clement when the question of fighting comes up. You can't
>even come close to understanding the history and knowledge of the fan base
>in the US, if you continue to buy into that excuse. But Canada has had
>blinders on where hockey is concerned, for a long time. That is indeed some
>of the problem....the pinheads in Toronto tend to want to placate Canadian
>fans rather than the whole fan base, of which Canada is not the largest
>segment. And when challenged it is always the same old tired response,
>"those who know the game"...........
As opposed to those who only know this new variant?
>Let me say this again. While the officiating on the whole is lousy, worse
>than any other major sport in NA, it is the favoritism showed to Canadian
>(and to a lesser extent American) players that is killing the league. It
>isn't missed calls that are the question, it is prejudice against the
>better more skilled European players that is killing the league. The future
>of the NHL is in the hands of the Euro players and Canada is fighting that
>day and night, and ruining the league in the process.
The complaint I hear more often is that the rules and their
interpretation have been altered to cater to the European players who
don't play the physical game. That's a laugh. The Europeans today play
as rough as any Canadian. They can take care of themselves.
>Ya want to know why they want to keep fighting in the game?....because
>Europe doesn't develop fighters. And I happen to be one of the people whom
>fighting does not bother. I like a good go as much as anyone else (though
>it's tough to say there is a place in hockey for fighting after having seen
>Peter Worrell try to skate :^)
That was entertaining, wasn't it? At least Donald Brashear has turned
out to be an okay player.
>> I'd like to have a chance to review those athleticism/strength
>> comparison tests you mentioned.
>
>They are not tests, they are competitions. They do all kinds of thing from
>running obstacle courses, to lifting weights, to strongman type lifting, to
>bowling, tennis, golf, basketball, running, and other things. It's fairly
>comprehensive if you are talking about general sporting activity.
I remember some of those from years ago, but nothing lately. Is it
like the wrestling somebody was promoting with hockey players as
wrestlers?
>> The young guys I know work their butts
>> off all summer to keep in playing shape.
>
>So do football players. And they are, pound to pound, every bit as quick and
>faster than hockey players, and stronger too.
It would be interesting to identify the best (i.e. best conditioned)
athletes from each sport and then see them compete.
>> The combination of speed and
>> physical abuse requires huge resources of stamina and resilience.
>
>Usually the physical aspect of hockey is overstated. In the playoffs it
>picks up, but during the regular season you simply cannot play a physical
>game for 82 games at 3 games per week. If you haven't played football, then
>you don't really understand the ferocity of hitting that takes place or what
>being hit by unnaturally sized human specimens is capable of. They are both
>very tough games when played with a physical intent. I'd be hesitant to
>claim one is tougher than the other. I do know that more careers are ended
>due to injury in football than in hockey.
No question that some teams dog it during the season.
I played football in high school. Actually broke more ribs playing
football than hockey. I twisted more ankles playing basketball though.
I thought hockey was the most physically demanding, but it was also
the most fun. We'd play shinny on the days that we didn't have games
or practices.
>I would argue with you the issue of stamina in hockey, and do it all day and
>all
>night. Recovery yes, but stamina.....nope...not in today's game.
I'll bet those guys slept well after 120 some odd minutes the other
night. It's especially tough when the coach shortens the bench and
your shift comes round again every 45 - 60 seconds.
>> Can you steer me to a source on the net for those comparisons?
>
>No, they're on TV. Just tune in and watch. Keep your eye open for them, they
>will be showing more of them during the summer when many pro sports are on
>hiatus.
Will do. It won't mean much though to see Donald Brashear competing
against Brett Favre or somesuch. Perhaps Favre and Jarome Iginla would
be interesting with the weight advantage to Favre.
JF
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: John Francis jfra...@orc.delete.ca
>
>>I'd like to have a chance to review those athleticism/strength
>>comparison tests you mentioned.The young guys I know work their butts
>>off all summer to keep in playing shape.
>
> Like any professional athlete doesn't?
>
>>The combination of speed and
>>physical abuse requires huge resources of stamina and resilience. Can
>>you steer me to a source on the net for those comparisons?
>
> I'm sure that like soccer or basketball players, hockey players have a lot of
>stamina.
>
> But you specifically said muscle mass and weight lifting.
Did I? I think I said athleticism and strength. I doubt I'd ever say
hockey players want muscle mass and strength only. They want strength,
flexibility and endurance (stamina).
> I'll put the 300-350 lb NFL guys up against the cute little 200 lb hockey
>players any day.
What if the races were 100 yards, or 1/4 mile, or mile? Even at 40 yds
I wouldn't bet on a lot of cute little hockey players losing to 350
Refrigerator Perry, as quick as he was. And what about running twenty
40 yd sprints flat out with about 30 seconds recovery time between
each? Who's gonna wear down first under a near continual full
production?
The problem in comparing is that hockey doesn't have any spots for
behemoths to stand around looking fierce waiting for the little quick
guys to run into their arms. Hockey players have to be without
exception quick and tough because their opponent is looking to go the
long way around 'em, not thru them. They have to go flat out for 20-30
seconds and then recuperate in less than a minute and be ready to go
just as hard all over again, and do that for anywhere from 12 to 20
minutes in a 150 minute time frame. It looks and sounds a lot easier
than it really is.
I'm not sure how quick Jassen Cullimore is on his feet, but at 6'5 and
244 he plays pretty big. For the Flames there's Chris Simon at 6'3 232
and Mike Commodore at 6'4 230. In Ottawa Zdeno Chara is exceptionally
big for a hockey player at 6'9 260#, but he still gets a lot of ice
time and plays pretty well. I suspect that by this point in the
playoffs they have all taken off a lot of weight. At one point I
remember Chris Pronger admitting that he had dropped to 175# while
playing with the Canadian Junior team in Europe. He was 6'6 and now
plays in the NHL at 218#.
I'd be interested in reading what any real experts have to say about
comparisons between today's hockey and football athletes if anyone
knows of any such comparisons.
JF
John Francis
I'm a Canadian. I played hockey. Yes I'd like to see any Canadian team
win it. On the other hand I'd like to see a home town boy win it too.
That's why I'm torn.
JF
John Francis
wrote:
>>From: "Jess Englewood" ple...@spam.com
>>Date: 6/7/2004 6:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <kh6xc.40$gm6....@news.uswest.net>
>>
>>
>>"NE333RO" <ne3...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:20040607182451...@mb-m04.aol.com...
>>> >I'm really torn on this one. I'd like to see Tim win it again, but I'd
>>> >also like to see a Canuck team win again. It's been too long.
>>>
>>> You'd rather see any old Canadian team win it over a team that has
>>never
>>> won it?
>>
>>In Canadian hockey terms Calgary isn't an old Canadian team, having moved
>>from Hotlanta in '79 or '80. They were an early '70's expansion team called
>>the Atlanta Flames. A pasty white ice hockey team in the hotbed of an
>>American black culture renaissance...........boy they drew the crowds :^)
>
> I'm gettin a woody.
>
> I didn't think anyone south of Niagra Falls could even spell hockey.
>
How do you think so many Canucks got a college edykashun? They were
offered full rides at the best American schools.
JF
NE333RO
>win it. On the other hand I'd like to see a home town boy win it too.
>That's why I'm torn.
>
Well it's a moot point now. Just saw Tim holding up the Stanley Cup. Not
bad for a bunch of toothless beachboys.
NE333RO
>they fill the place. Bet that doesn't happen in Tampa.
We had considerably more people watching the big screens outside the
stadium, during the games, than would fit inside yours.
NE333RO
>Cup? 8)
Looked to me more like he went through Jarome and took the cup from him :o)
NE333RO
You missed my point. He was willing to root for a team he wouldn't normally
root for.......................oh nevermind.
Mike from Ottawa
wrote:
<snip>
Oh, well, it's all over now. Congrats to TB on winning the Cup. They
outplayed Calgary for 2 out of 3 periods -- the Flames can't expect to
win it on such a performance.
Khabibulin played another great game. He was better than Kiprusoff in
the last couple of games.
Incredible moves by Lecavalier. Looks like he woke up just in time to
win it all.
---
Mike from Ottawa
Brian Nadwidny
>
> On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:38:22 GMT, Ron T <omb...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Oh, well, it's all over now. Congrats to TB on winning the Cup. They
> outplayed Calgary for 2 out of 3 periods -- the Flames can't expect to
> win it on such a performance.
The Flames looked like Smarty Jones on the back stretch. Just ran out of
gas.
Good series.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Brian Nadwidny
But how many were inside?
That's what I thought.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Popeye NCAT3
>> But you specifically said muscle mass and weight lifting.
>
>Did I? I think I said athleticism and strength. I doubt I'd ever say
>hockey players want muscle mass and strength only. They want strength,
>flexibility and endurance (stamina).
We both stand corrected.
You did say muscle mass and weightlifting, but also said hockey would default
those categories to football.
>What if the races were 100 yards,
The receivers, at the very least?
Good luck.
>The problem in comparing is that hockey doesn't have any spots for
>behemoths to stand around looking fierce waiting for the little quick
>guys to run into their arms.
Check.
>I'm not sure how quick Jassen Cullimore is on his feet, but at 6'5 and
>244 he plays pretty big. For the Flames there's Chris Simon at 6'3 232
>and Mike Commodore at 6'4 230. In Ottawa Zdeno Chara is exceptionally
>big for a hockey player at 6'9 260#,
All very small to the average football player.
chilly
20 guys on a team, and what, Tampa's got 14 Canadian players, 3 or 4 Euros,
lessee that leaves 2 American guys, one from Colorado and one from
Minnesota, IIRC.
chilly
You had more than 18,000 watching the screens outside of the stadium on
every night of play?
We lost and we've still got 20,000-30,000 celebrating on the Red Mile. We
are disappointed in the outcome but still support our team. They did one
helluva job.
Brian Nadwidny
>
> I'd be interested in reading what any real experts have to say about
> comparisons between today's hockey and football athletes if anyone
> knows of any such comparisons.
I am a real expert and among my other real experts this question comes
up often. We answer it thusly:
Q.- Who the fuck cares and why does it matter?
A.-Nobody. It doesn't. They are both great games, the people that make
it to the elite level in either sport are talented beyond our
understanding, and trying to compare them is trying to compare rutabagas
to Volvos. Anybody that tries to draw comparisons must be a girly-man
soccer player.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Brian Nadwidny
>
> 20 guys on a team, and what, Tampa's got 14 Canadian players, 3 or 4 Euros,
> lessee that leaves 2 American guys, one from Colorado and one from
> Minnesota, IIRC.
That's about right according to hockeydb.com.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Popeye NCAT3
>Date: 6/8/2004 2:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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