Master Diver University
syt...@yahoo.com
I recently posted a request for information regarding "Academic Scuba
Programs"
The following is from a notice in the current issue of "Scuba Diving"
magazine.
Was wondering what you all think of something like this course ("Master
Diver University"). Looks to be very hard core but that might be a
good thing.
http://www.diversurvivor.com/details.asp?ID=2
Sy
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Al Wells
syt...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Was wondering what you all think of something like this course ("Master
> Diver University"). Looks to be very hard core but that might be a
> good thing.
>
> http://www.diversurvivor.com/details.asp?ID=2
These guys are among the worst idiots in the business, and their
marketing is aimed at exactly the people who should not be doing it.
Just my opinion of course....
Bryan Heit
CORE CURRICULUM:
* Self/buddy rescue
* Deep diving (up to 130 fsw) – proper planning as well as completion of
deeper dives
* Underwater navigation – compass and natural navigation techniques with
pinpoint accuracy
* Nitrox diving – using gas mixtures containing up to 40% oxygen for no
decompression dives
* Night diving
* Equipment specialty course – This is a detailed program looking at the
materials used in dive gear construction, the benefits and detriments of
these materials as well an internal look at both piston and diaphragm
regulators
* Buoyancy clinic – requiring a demonstration and mastery of both
buoyancy and trim control
Back in the early 90's ,when I was first certified, nearly all of this
was part-and-parcel of the basic SCUBA certification (at least through
NAUI, who I was certified with). Looking at my certification dives for
open water I certification I see self/buddy rescue, navigation, night
diving and not one, but two pool sessions devoted entierly to bouyancy
skills. The rest, aside from Nitrox which wasn't readily avaialbe at
that time, was covered in open water II.
Given that this used to be part of the basic certification, I don't
think calling certificants "master divers" is very accurate.
Bryan
Lee Bell
> The following is from a notice in the current issue of "Scuba Diving"
> magazine. Was wondering what you all think of something like this course
> ("Master
> Diver University"). Looks to be very hard core but that might be a
> good thing. http://www.diversurvivor.com/details.asp?ID=2
I think $2,000 is a bit much for what they seem to be offering.
I think I kept expecting to see the letters DIR, GUE or Jarrod Jablonski . .
. until I saw they recommend computers.
I thought it might be a good idea until I saw "Computers are strongly
recommended due to the increased safety that they afford and the more
efficient use of bottom time." I'm a strong computer advocate, but not
because the increase safety or necessarily afford more efficient use of
bottom time. They're a tool, just like any other. They make the kind of
diving most of us usually do easier and that's about it.
I also kind of wonder at a course professing to turn out expert recreational
divers that would not apply the statement " . . .you must show proficiency
in table use on the first day of the program" only to those that chose to
use tables rather than a computer.
Having said all of that, the course looks interesting. If you have the time
and money to burn, why not?
Lee
PS: If you have this much money, take the damned GUE Fundamentals course
too.
Lee Bell
>> http://www.diversurvivor.com/details.asp?ID=2
> These guys are among the worst idiots in the business, and their
> marketing is aimed at exactly the people who should not be doing it.
> Just my opinion of course....
I take the few nice things I said about the course back. If Al thinks
they're idiots, I at least recommend you research them carefully before you
disagree.
Lee
syt...@yahoo.com
If you factor in the lodging (8 nights) tanks etc., which is provided
as part of the course as well as the apparent length and composition of
the course it doesn't seem THAT outrageous in price. I'm trying to get
more details from them like how many hours per day are required and how
large are the classes.
Was curious. What's "GUE"?
Thanks,
Sy
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<plee...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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In article <1150377996.0...@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Al
Wells <al.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you be more specific about what's wrong with a course like this and
what you mean by "the worst idiots in the business"?
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Popeye
"Al Wells" <al.w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Good enough for me.
Popeye
"Lee Bell" <plee...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> <syt...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> The following is from a notice in the current issue of "Scuba Diving"
>> magazine. Was wondering what you all think of something like this course
>> ("Master
>> Diver University"). Looks to be very hard core but that might be a
>> good thing. http://www.diversurvivor.com/details.asp?ID=2
>
> I think $2,000 is a bit much for what they seem to be offering.
I saw that too, and almost blew a cork, but it's a 5 or 6 days/ motel/ in
the Keys, I think, and how many dives?
But it still sounds like a bullshit Rescue course to me.
You get to keep all the gear, right?
mike gray
The courses look pretty vanilla (wreck training with limited
penetration if a wreck is available? Deep diving to - gasp - 130
fsw? Bu clinic?) but the price - $2,000 - is absolutely stunning!
Tell ya what. You give Al & I two grand and we'll teach you all
this stuff and a whole lot more, and throw in a solid week of
great fun diving!
Hell, I'll even make up some kind of C card, in color, suitable
for framing!
Lee Bell
> Was curious. What's "GUE"?
Global Underwater Explorers, the training arm of the DIR movement. Somebody
will give you a website any minute now.
Lee
-hh
syt...@yahoo.com wrote:
> In article
>
> If you factor in the lodging (8 nights) tanks etc., which is provided
> as part of the course as well as the apparent length and composition of
> the course it doesn't seem THAT outrageous in price.
The baseline that you're comparing against didn't apparently budget for
you to get to their facility (airfare to FL, plus rental car for a
week...call it $250-$300 each), plus meals ($300+), its probably safe
to say that its real cost to you will be closer to $3K.
Now here's a dive special from BRBR:
"Good for travel in August 11 to November 15, 2006. Blackout dates
apply.
7 nights accommodations
6 days of 2 tank AM dives.
Breakfast and dinner daily
Airport ground transfers
Hotel tax & service charges
Free dive video
$999 per person (Based on double occupancy and availability)
Add airfare...call it $700/pp to be conservative...a $400 private
Rescue Diver class, a $150 "peak bouyancy" class, a $150 wreck
Specialty, a $150 Equipment Specialist...
...and heck, we'll throw in another $150 for the AOW prerequisite
(which covers Deep, Nav and Night), and another $150 for Nitrox...
...and you still have $150 left over, for either one more Specialty, or
to just spend at the bar on booze.
-hh
mike gray
Fly to SoFla, six nights at the lovely Casa del Guapo, diving
every day with the world's greatest diver, El Stroko Guapo, on
the world's greatest dive boats, on the fabulous wrecks and
reefs off Boynton. Includes towels, local transportation, and a
six-pack of beer. $1999.00
Mac
write them and ask for student references and contact them to see what they
thought about the course. There are lots of great MD courses around. We're
doing one right now in Southern Japan, planning on diving the Battleship
Mutsu in a few weeks as part on the course.
mac
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Al Wells
syt...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Can you be more specific about what's wrong with a course like this and
> what you mean by "the worst idiots in the business"?
One of the principals was involved with TDI in a cave diving instructor
certification CF in Mexico (among countless other CF's). Several
instructors that he certified had to be retrained before their
certifications were recognized in the community. It pretty much killed
TDI's cave diving program for awhile.
Another principal was involved in tech diving in the Carolinas with
TDI, and I am familiar with his shop (which I won't go near) and
instructors and divers whom he has trained. My Advanced Nitrox/Deco
procedures class was done by an instructor fresh from one of his
classes, and it was ridiculous. This guy is teaching gear
configurations and procedures that are antiquated and dangerous (I'm
talking about severe overweighting here and staying neutral on the
bungee wings). I have seen in action other divers and instructors whom
he has trained, and they all are severely lacking in the basic skills.
I personally hauled one instructor he trained onto a dive boat after he
rocketed his head into the bottom of the boat from 90 ft. We left the
wreck early with the instructor and one of his students on O2. On the
same trip, I also rescued one of his students who surfaced in a panic
because she couldn't find her instructor, and she was way overweighted
and too freaked to just put air in her wing. I had to rescue her
because the boat minkey was busy rescuing a different guy who had just
done a rocket 100 lb lift bungee wing ascent from 90 ft.
I can't even begin to tell you about the rebreather divers this guy
trained - I'm at work and it would cause a commotion if I start to cry
laughing.
IMO, both if these guys have been playing the techdiving thing for as
much money as they could suck out of it for many years, while
contributing absolutely nothing to the art. Their marketing is aimed at
wannabe tough guys and thrill seekers. This course is designed to set
you up for some very expensive technical training. From the website, it
appears they are no longer involved with TDI, but are now involved with
Hal Watts.
My advice is to go wreck diving on the boats that do that, and learn
from what you see and do. you can first swim around the outside edges
and poke around a bit to figure out how to navigate wrecks using their
features and your compass. If you want to penetrate, forget the wreck
diving class and go to florida and take a cavern class from someone who
is certified to teach full cave. You can do that for $200 on a weekend,
and spend a hundred dollars on a motel or 20 bucks to camp, and you
will be solidly taught some very basic skills upon which you can build.
The el Stroko Guapo deal sounds pretty good.
Greg Mossman
> The el Stroko Guapo deal sounds pretty good.
If he throws in "How to Smoke Your Way to Superior Air Consumption", I'm
sold.
John Mason Jr
Also some of the principals had a lawsuit filed against them by TDI, so
could have problems in the future.
John
mike gray
The course fee includes a carton of Camels.
JOF
Colour's immaterial but can it say I earned it in 1967 like yours, or
was that Lee's? 8)
JF
Lee Bell
>> Hell, I'll even make up some kind of C card, in color, suitable
>> for framing!
> Colour's immaterial but can it say I earned it in 1967 like yours, or
> was that Lee's? 8)
Neither. I started diving first, in 1962. My first C card is from NAUI and
is dated 1969. Mike started later, but caught up quickly.
Lee
bullshark
> These guys are among the worst idiots in the business, and their
> marketing is aimed at exactly the people who should not be doing it.
Um. I'm confused Al. Just why is it that they should not be marketing
scuba advancement courses? Is there somebody who should not be learning
CPR or rescue or nitrox or...
Are you painting them with a techie brush?
I would think that more than a few of the divers here would applaud a
school that promises not to award unqualified certifications.
Sorry to hear you don't like these guys. I think it's a great concept.
There are a shitpile of divers out there that need to combine vacation
with classes, or they are just never going to get it done.
If they delivered what they promised, 2K isn't a bad price for 7-8 days
of instruction, diving, gas, boats, and accomodations. On the surface,
their credentials don't look all that bad. Have they been ripping
people off?
bullshark
syt...@yahoo.com
I think too many people here have a tendency to go into some type of
childish macho posturing and bragging instead of addressing the actual
issues in a clear and mature way.
I really think all that alcohol has an effect on these guys, and not
only in the water,
Scott
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> I really think you make some very good points.
>
> I think too many people here have a tendency to go into some type of
> childish macho posturing and bragging instead of addressing the actual
> issues in a clear and mature way.
>
> I really think all that alcohol has an effect on these guys, and not
> only in the water,
I'll take Al's word any day.
bullshark
> I think too many people here have a tendency to go into some type of
> childish macho posturing and bragging instead of addressing the actual
> issues in a clear and mature way.
Al is not one of them. He is one of the (very small) handful of posters
in rec.scuba that actually dives more than he posts.
What caught my attention was his phrasing, which is typically reserved
for coursework targeting techie-wannabes. This isn't that sort of
thing, so I'd like to hear just exactly what he has a problem with.
bullshark
Scott
"bullshark" <bull...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Al is not one of them. He is one of the (very small) handful of posters
> in rec.scuba that actually dives more than he posts.
>
> What caught my attention was his phrasing, which is typically reserved
> for coursework targeting techie-wannabes. This isn't that sort of
> thing, so I'd like to hear just exactly what he has a problem with.
5th post in the thread pretty much covers it.
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Scott
"bullshark" <bull...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Al is not one of them. He is one of the (very small) handful of posters
> in rec.scuba that actually dives more than he posts.
>
> What caught my attention was his phrasing, which is typically reserved
> for coursework targeting techie-wannabes. This isn't that sort of
> thing, so I'd like to hear just exactly what he has a problem with.
5th post in the thread pretty much covers it.
Greg Mossman
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> bullshark wrote:
>> Al Wells wrote:
>> > These guys are among the worst idiots in the business, and their
>> > marketing is aimed at exactly the people who should not be doing it.
>>
>> Um. I'm confused Al. Just why is it that they should not be marketing
>> scuba advancement courses? Is there somebody who should not be learning
>> CPR or rescue or nitrox or...
> I think too many people here have a tendency to go into some type of
> childish macho posturing and bragging instead of addressing the actual
> issues in a clear and mature way.
>
> I really think all that alcohol has an effect on these guys, and not
> only in the water,
I recently met Al and he sure didn't seem to me like a childish macho drunk.
I should know since I know lots of childish macho drunks.
Popeye
>
> I think too many people here have a tendency to go into some type of
> childish macho posturing and bragging instead of addressing the actual
> issues in a clear and mature way.
>
> I really think all that alcohol has an effect on these guys, and not
> only in the water,
Actually, Sy, you're a dumbass.
Let me give you the benefit of explaining why.
You asked a fair question.
Good question, too, started an interesting thread.
You got some peripheral information, asked for more, and got extensive
information.
You were told of (several) rescues, injuries, lawsuits, poor instruction,
general philosophy discrepancies, and given substantial food for thought.
More than enough to cast heavy doubt on your inquiry, and justify, at the
very least, a very thorough vetting of the program before considering it.
You were given advice by several on different options to cover more ground
and save money.
Instead of taking all that in, you wait for on relatively ignorant opinion
to appear, Kurt/Bullsharks', who's point is valid, but seems not to be
acquainted with these particular operators, and latch onto it because it's
what you -want- to hear.
What. You. Want. To. Hear.
That makes you a -stupid- motherfucker.
Stoopit.
Just to show what a great guy you are, you have to insult everybody else
on the way by, because you're a dumbass.
You're to stupid to learn, my friend, and thusly, to stupid to dive.
You'll die for sure, and I'll laugh when you do.
Dillon Pyron
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln ...
My first impression was PADI on steroids. Not the training, the fees.
They're just appealing to the macho wannabes that want to be known as
"Master Divers" and just gotta dive with real live ex Navy SEALs. My
position on macho divers is well known and my opinion of the many who
claim to be ex Navy SEALs holds.
>
>IMO, both if these guys have been playing the techdiving thing for as
>much money as they could suck out of it for many years, while
>contributing absolutely nothing to the art. Their marketing is aimed at
>wannabe tough guys and thrill seekers. This course is designed to set
>you up for some very expensive technical training. From the website, it
>appears they are no longer involved with TDI, but are now involved with
>Hal Watts.
>
>My advice is to go wreck diving on the boats that do that, and learn
>from what you see and do. you can first swim around the outside edges
>and poke around a bit to figure out how to navigate wrecks using their
>features and your compass. If you want to penetrate, forget the wreck
>diving class and go to florida and take a cavern class from someone who
>is certified to teach full cave. You can do that for $200 on a weekend,
>and spend a hundred dollars on a motel or 20 bucks to camp, and you
>will be solidly taught some very basic skills upon which you can build.
>
>The el Stroko Guapo deal sounds pretty good.
--
dillon
666 permissions of The Beast
Scott
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> Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln ...
OK, that was offside.
But darned funny.
> My first impression was PADI on steroids. Not the training, the fees.
>
> They're just appealing to the macho wannabes that want to be known as
> "Master Divers" and just gotta dive with real live ex Navy SEALs. My
> position on macho divers is well known and my opinion of the many who
> claim to be ex Navy SEALs holds.
Dont sugar coat him, let him have it straight.
syt...@yahoo.com
like yourself who are most likely half-in-the-bag as you wrote your
reply.
syt...@yahoo.com
like yourself who are most likely half-in-the-bag as you wrote your
reply.
Popeye
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> I didn't insult "everybody else" if you re-read my quote, only people
> like yourself who are most likely half-in-the-bag as you wrote your
> reply.
I haven't had a drink in 3 weeks.
Al drinks little if at all, I don't remember which, and you're a smarmy
little fuck.
You stated this, exactly:
"I think ---->too many people here<---- have a tendency to go into some
type of childish macho posturing and bragging instead of addressing the
actual issues in a clear and mature way."
Which. in my book, pretty much counts as "everybody else", especially
since the issue -was- addressed in a -very- clear, -very- mature and -very-
extensive way.
A better example of childish macho posturing, for example, would be this:
Your ignorant and libelous statement pertaining to a well known member of
the group, for which you were not man enough to apologize.
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> I'm coming to believe that Greggie is one very disturbed dude. As
> happens quite often in these Newsgroups, there are people like this out
> there who make a hobby of setting up some kind of identitiy or
> identities and playing their "audience" for fools. It's actually kind
> of funny and lets them kill time in between their thrice daily lineups
> for their medications.
Greg must be pretty good, pulling off the charade all day and everything.
His mailing address is an attorney's office, and a lady who once answered
a phone there seems to think he's a lawyer.
I think it's time for your thrice daily medication.
--
Popeye
"If one does as God does enough times, one
will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector.
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Now -that- is childish macho posturing, and since a lawyer was involved,
was probably alcohol induced.
So your above statement (as is the example statement) is as sophistic and
disingenuous as the last.
And this statement as is my previous one, is clearly accurate, and stands.
Welcome to Rec.scuba, Asshole.
If you can't take your asswhippings like a man, you'll turn into a Don
Rath.
See his early posting history for details.
Remember to write your wife's name (unless she's your buddy; then it's
moot), and the location of your car keys on your tank, it speeds the
recovery.
--
Popeye
"If one does as God does enough times, one
will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector.
bullshark
> 5th post in the thread pretty much covers it.
Somehow I missed that post. As I suspected, it *is* all about some
techie misdealings. Oh well, that's really too bad. It's a good idea
that needs doing.
bullshark
syt...@yahoo.com
one with muscles but no brains. Fits well.
syt...@yahoo.com
one with muscles but no brains. Fits well.
Popeye
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> If I remember my cartoon characters from childhood, "Popeye" was the
> one with muscles but no brains. Fits well.
Between the two of us, as is obviously evidenced, at least I have the
muscles.
dazed and confuzzed
> If I remember my cartoon characters from childhood, "Popeye" was the
> one with muscles but no brains. Fits well.
Think so? Shows your ignorance. (again)
crosspostings removed.
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The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3
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Popeye
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Second the motion.
I think the equipment tech class is a super idea.
Better equipment care, or awareness, even, at the user level would mean
less accidents.
Depending on how many -boat- dives it includes, minimum 10 tanks, the
money isn't totally absurd.
But I bet the rest of the "electives' are just piles on to existing dives,
and would be curious if the cost extra.
> bullshark
>
Greg Mossman
This is the real deal: http://www.lascuba.com/adp.html
I've been wanting to take it for years, but would end up missing too many
classes. If I ever decide not to go out of town some summer, I'll be the
first to sign up.
Scott
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That looks very good, and reasonably priced.
Lee Bell
>I didn't insult "everybody else" if you re-read my quote, only people
> like yourself who are most likely half-in-the-bag as you wrote your
> reply.
Actually, you did. The rest of us just chose to ignore it.
Lee
Al Wells
bullshark wrote:
> Um. I'm confused Al. Just why is it that they should not be marketing
> scuba advancement courses? Is there somebody who should not be learning
> CPR or rescue or nitrox or...
I see that others have directed you to one of my other posts.
It's the macho marketing that bothers me, and the fact that these guys
are in the business of technical training, and it appears to me that
they are marketing this course in a way that will appeal to the wrong
people for that. coupled with my knowledge of their pasts, I would not
recommend this course with these instructors. The fact is that there is
a current glut of techie instructors these days, and there is
competition for students.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this kind of training, and
diving every day for more than a weekend is a really good thing.
> I would think that more than a few of the divers here would applaud a
> school that promises not to award unqualified certifications.
Before this recent expansion, I don't know anyone trained by Hal
Watts's agency who didn't have to earn his certification. One of these
guys has a bad record when it comes to that at the cave diving
instructor level, and that is inexcusable..
> Sorry to hear you don't like these guys. I think it's a great concept.
> There are a shitpile of divers out there that need to combine vacation
> with classes, or they are just never going to get it done.
Again, my problem isn't with the overall concept, it's this particular
operation I have a problem with. There are plenty of good OW level
instructors who could teach this course well; maybe someone else will
get the idea and step up. Who knows, even these guys might surprise me
and do a good job, but I would have to see it to believe it.
I still think the most bang for the buck is a good cavern course.
Dennis (Icarus)
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> If I remember my cartoon characters from childhood, "Popeye" was the
> one with muscles but no brains. Fits well.
No, it doesn't.
Dennis
Al Wells
syt...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I think too many people here have a tendency to go into some type of
> childish macho posturing and bragging instead of addressing the actual
> issues in a clear and mature way.
>
> I really think all that alcohol has an effect on these guys, and not
> only in the water,
The alcohol part is certainly not the case with me. I will give you
that my phrasing in the intitial post was a bit harsh, as I was pretty
annoyed to see the website that these guys put up, but it is because I
know....
Many thanks to the others who had kind words for me here.
zambullidor
Hi Al;
I noticed that Hal Watts is involved with the "Tech Diver's Boot Camp"
offered elsewhere on the site. What do you think of Hal and his "Forty
Fathom Grotto"? I dove there and didn't think much of the dive site.
Hal seems to be a knowledgeable guy though.
Al Wells
zambullidor wrote:
> I noticed that Hal Watts is involved with the "Tech Diver's Boot Camp"
> offered elsewhere on the site. What do you think of Hal and his "Forty
> Fathom Grotto"? I dove there and didn't think much of the dive site.
> Hal seems to be a knowledgeable guy though.
I have a lot of respect for Hal Watts; he is one of the pioneers who
has really influenced the way we dive now. His deep air is a bit on an
anachronism, but there is still plenty to learn from him.
I see Forty Fathom Grotto as a good facility for training, but not such
a great place for just fun dives for most people. The conditions are
less than ideal and can be spooky at times (especially when you come
across a mannequin in a death pose), but that is what many wrecks and
caves are like.
Popeye
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Uh, yeah, well...
Having a guy give you air to breathe at 90fsw does tend to commit a little
fondness of heart. :-)
zambullidor
I agree. I met Hal a couple of years ago when I signed up as a guide
and to teach at his place. Unfortunately, dove there after that. One
time I had a NOAA diver needing AOW for her job. She and I were going
to do her deep dive there, but I decided against because of the
visibility. After I took her for her nav. dive in Crystal River, I saw
that visability was important to her. I love soupy water for
navigation. As it turned out, I took her to the Blue Grotto instead.
Have you been there?
Anyway, I liked Hal right away. I guess his place is useful with
regard to technical training (extended range and the like). Nice
setup.
Later, I attended a PADI forum in Orlando with my instructor
development instructor Keith Mattson ( another deep air guy). Wow. I
felt honored to be in the same room with these guys. Have you met
Keith? Hal brought t-shirts for everyone at the forum.
Lee Bell
> Many thanks to the others who had kind words for me here.
I saw no kind words. All I saw were honest opinions. You earned the
respect you got.
Lee
chilly
"Popeye" <Pop...@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
news:12999fm...@news.supernews.com...
Not to mention that Al doesn't drink.
One might wonder what Sytech's problem is though. He's definitely a troll.
But at least he's trolling for scuba.
bob crownfield
like anyone here with at least half a brain
thinks sytech is smarter than popeye.
>
>
bob crownfield
> Is túisce deoch ná scéal, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <nojun...@ever.invalid> rista:
>
>> <syt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> If I remember my cartoon characters from childhood, "Popeye"
>>> was the one with muscles but no brains. Fits well.
>> No, it doesn't.
>
the first "less than haLf a brain" heard from.
Greg Mossman
news:AqLlg.66473$Mn5.2790@pd7tw3no...
> One might wonder what Sytech's problem is though. He's definitely a
> troll.
> But at least he's trolling for scuba.
Obviously he's one of those types that asks a question and doesn't want to
hear the "wrong" answer. So I say we give him what he wants. Positive
feedback.
Yes, Sytech, Puerto Rico diving is world-class, awesome, unbelieveable! Go
spend your money there.
Yes, Sytech, Master Diver University is world-class, awesome, unbelieveable!
Go spend your money there.
Now he'll be my friend for sure.
Lee Bell
>> One might wonder what Sytech's problem is though. He's definitely a
>> troll. But at least he's trolling for scuba.
> Obviously he's one of those types that asks a question and doesn't want to
> hear the "wrong" answer. So I say we give him what he wants. Positive
> feedback.
> Yes, Sytech, Puerto Rico diving is world-class, awesome, unbelieveable!
> Go spend your money there. Yes, Sytech, Master Diver University is
> world-class, awesome, unbelieveable! Go spend your money there. Now he'll
> be my friend for sure.
Don't be silly, attorney's don't have friends. Hmmm, perhaps you're right
after all. Sytech might be the exception.
Lee
Greg Mossman
news:sCVlg.70409$qd2....@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> Yes, Sytech, Puerto Rico diving is world-class, awesome, unbelieveable!
>> Go spend your money there. Yes, Sytech, Master Diver University is
>> world-class, awesome, unbelieveable! Go spend your money there. Now he'll
>> be my friend for sure.
>
> Don't be silly, attorney's don't have friends. Hmmm, perhaps you're right
> after all. Sytech might be the exception.
Actually he reminds me of clients I've had that want to pay me to do work
that I assure them is a complete waste of their money and my time. They get
mad at me when I try to steer them right and save them a few bucks.
Eventually you have to give in, or you lose a client altogether. I
certainly wouldn't want to lose Sytech as my good buddy.
Lee Bell
> Actually he reminds me of clients I've had that want to pay me to do work
> that I assure them is a complete waste of their money and my time. They
> get mad at me when I try to steer them right and save them a few bucks.
> Eventually you have to give in, or you lose a client altogether. I
> certainly wouldn't want to lose Sytech as my good buddy.
Good point.
Lee
Dillon Pyron
>"Dillon Pyron" <dmpyron...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:t1g992tcjfqpqsb1u...@4ax.com...
>
>> Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln ...
>
>OK, that was offside.
>
>But darned funny.
>
>> My first impression was PADI on steroids. Not the training, the fees.
>>
>> They're just appealing to the macho wannabes that want to be known as
>> "Master Divers" and just gotta dive with real live ex Navy SEALs. My
>> position on macho divers is well known and my opinion of the many who
>> claim to be ex Navy SEALs holds.
>
>Dont sugar coat him, let him have it straight.
>
Oh, I wasn't slamming Al, I agree with his assessment entirely. I
just wanted to be a smart ass and add my three cents.
--
dillon
666 permissions of The Beast
bob crownfield
yet again,
nothing..
carLito is a LittLe Loser.
without creativity,
without anything but a Loser mentaLity,
he can onLy edit others writing.
dance, dunce, dance.
Lee Bell
> Carl Nisarel wrote:
Bob, why are you bothering with this fool? Put him in your kill file and be
done with him.
Lee
Alan Street
<plee...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
€ bob crownfield wrote
€
€
I have to second this. Just make him go bye-bye. It will make
everyone's life easier.
bob crownfield
> bob crownfield <crown...@verizon.net> contributed
>
>> nothing..
\more accurately,
bob crownfield
> "Lee Bell" <plee...@bellsouth.net> whined:
>> bob crownfield wrote
>>
>>> Carl Nisarel wrote:
>> Bob,
bob crownfield
a slow week, and he is also slow.
amazing how really unimaginative and dull he is.
could he be a recluse, or a 'shut-in'
as jonathan winters used to say?
his mental age seems to be early teens.
>
> Lee
>
>