http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/ram/2007_11_tue.ram

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Starting at 46:16

  [reading email from Hazel Fuller]
    Belief in a god of some kind is an absolute requirement,
    isn't it, for membership of the scouting movement?  As
    an atheist and Humanist, I hope I have a morality that
    doesn't rely on a belief in a mystical and unprovable
    being, but my children, were they still young enough to
    join, would be barred from the excellent things that
    scouting promotes.  I don't believe that religion
    should have a place in the scouting movement; just as
    I affirm and accord, so should a non-believer be able
    to affirm to moral values as a scout.

    What is the position on that?  Peter?

    Well, you do have to have a faith or a belief system
    to be a scout; when you consider it's a world-wide
    movement and there's 28 million currently doing it --
    in fact there's more Muslim scouts -- the point about,
    behind that, really, is that, I think -- and this is
    a personal belief -- I think that, a spiritual side to
    the question of why we're here and what we're for.
    We're not saying you've got to believe in a Christian
    god or that kind of god, there is a sense that we
    want to explore that territory.

    The word "god" is used in the promise though, isn't it?

    It is a word in the promise, but the word "god" could be
    a generic god.  It doesn't have to be a particular god.
    And your leader, you know... it's a difficult thing,
    and I know it just puts some people off...

    ...And Hazel may not want her children to be hypocritical.

    Yes, but in the sense, if you're, if you're an atheist,
    or a Humanist, it's as much as having a religion as not
    having a religion in some ways, I mean, their...belief
    systems...are difficult things to contend with.  But
    scouting, or people who are scouts and guilds, it's the
    cross-section of humanity.  It's, it's, people have
    little bits of belief, people have great belief.  It
    encompasses all of our belief systems.