FAQ #1: rec.scouting.* Hierarchy Frequently Asked Questions
Bill Nelson
Last-Modified: 6 May 1996
FAQ #1 -- rec.scouting.* Hierarchy Frequently Asked Questions
This is the first publication of the permanent
FAQ #1 -- Guide to the rec.scouting.* Hierarchy.
Please let me know by email of any additions or corrections.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
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1 - General Introduction -- rec.scouting.* Hierarchy
2 - Group Charters
3 - Etiquette Guidelines
4 - Some Frequently Asked Questions
Subject: General Introduction -- rec.scouting.* Hierarchy
Welcome to rec.scouting.*, the news hierarchy for boy and girl
scouts and guides, cub scouts, venturers, rovers, scout leaders
and all people interested in scouting and guiding issues,
worldwide.
Rec.scouting.* is an unmoderated hierarchy for boy and girl scouts and
guides, cub scouts, venturers, rovers, scout leaders and all people
interested in scouting and guiding, worldwide. This hierarchy discusses
issues relevant to scouting activities, and the administration of scout
units. It allows for the solicitation of advice from other netters
on what to do in certain situations, and generally seek and provide
support and encouragement with respect to scouting.
Postings not related to scouting or guiding are discouraged
Each rec.scouting* group is setup to discuss different topics of
scouting interest. To keep duplicate articles to a minimum,
crossposting between rec.scouting* groups is discouraged.
This document introduces new readers to the different groups
ad the prefered Etiquette for the rec.scouting.* hierarchy. Individual
groups may have additional etiquette guidelines, see the list of FAQs.
If you have a useful item that hasn't been included in this FAQ, please
do all of us the favor. Write it up and post it on rec.scouting.*.
Drop me a copy too to make sure that I include it in this file.
As the FAQ files are updated regularly, make sure that you have the
latest copy in your hands. The release date of this FAQ is indicated in
the line starting with "Last-Modified:" at the top of this file. Files
older than three months should be considered as outdated.
Please take a few minutes and post an introduction. Tell us a bit
about yourself, what organization you are with (e.g., BSA, or non-
scouting/guiding organization), what unit you are with, if
appropriate (e.g. Pack 878, Grand Canyon Council), you position,
how long you have been involved and what you would like to see
discussed in a particular rec.scouting.* group.
This file or parts of it may be freely used, printed and re-distributed
as long as you enclose this paragraph and keep the references to the
respective contributors and to the maintainer (listed below) intact.
-- Bill Nelson <nel...@aztec.asu.edu>
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Subject: The Groups and Their Charters
From: Bill Nelson <nel...@aztec.asu.edu>
Date: 27 April 1996
*** THE GROUPS ***
CHARTER: rec.scouting.misc
Rec.scouting.misc is an unmoderated group for boy and girl scouts and
guides, cub scouts, venturers, rovers, scout leaders and all people
interested in scouting and guiding, worldwide. This group discusses
issues relevant to scouting activities, and the administration of scout
units. It allows for the solicitation of advice from other netters
on what to do in certain situations, and generally seek and provide
support and encouragement with respect to scouting. Cross-posting to
other rec.scouting groups is strongly discouraged. Postings concerning
topics pertaining solely to US scouting is strongly discouraged.
Postings not related to scouting or guiding are discouraged.
CHARTER: rec.scouting.usa
rec.scouting.usa is an unmoderated group for Boy and Girl Scouts,
Cub Scouts, Explorers, Christian Service Brigade members, members of
religious-based scouting or guiding organizations, their leaders,
advisors, professional or career employees of USA scouting movements,
and all people interested in scouting and guiding in the United States.
This group discusses issues relevant to the program, unit support,
finance, membership development and the administration of scout units.
It allows for the solicitation of advice and information from other
netters on what to do in certain situations, and generally seek and
provide support, general information and encouragement regarding
scouting.
The content of this newsgroup is NOT to be accepted as "official
information" coming from American scouting organizations, as such
information comes normally through their national offices through
regional groups to local organizations for distribution to units and
members; however posted messages to this newsgroup may contain parts of
official publications and information to answer or respond to questions
or issues brought up with the proper crediting of such information by
the poster.
This newsgroup is NOT the place for discussions on scouting ISSUES, for
instance, issues related to girls in the boy scout program, whether or
not Assembly of God churches should abandon the Boy Scouts of America's
programs in favor of the Royal Rangers, or open homosexual members as
members or leaders in BSA programs. Those discussions will take place
on rec.scouting.issues, and those posting to this newsgroup will be
followed or redirected to rec.scouting.issues. Cross-posting to other
rec.scouting groups is strongly discouraged. Postings not related to
scouting in the United States are discouraged.
CHARTER: rec.scouting.issues
rec.scouting.issues is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
and explanation of worldwide, national or regional issues concerning
national Scouting or Guiding organizations' policies, rules or
regulations. Cross-posting to other rec.scouting groups is strongly
discouraged. Postings not related to Scouting or Guiding issues are
discouraged.
CHARTER: rec.scouting.guide+girl
rec.scouting.guide+girl is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
and explanation of issues concerning guiding organizations and those
that belong to the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts.
Cross-posting to other rec.scouting groups is strongly discouraged.
Postings not related to Girl Scouting or Guiding are discouraged.
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Subject: Etiquette Guidelines -- rec.scouting.*
From: Bill Nelson <nel...@aztec.asu.edu>
Date: 5 May 1996
*** ETIQUETTE GUIDELINES ***
Before reading any further, please go to the newsgroup
news.announce.newusers and read the posting: Rules for posting
to Usenet. This message describes some of the rules of conduct
on Usenet. Posters to the rec.scouting* hierarchy are
expected to know and follow these rules.
The following guidelines are additions to the rules described
in news.announce.newusers.
o It is expected that scouts, guides and scouters adhere to the
principles of their organization's oath, promise or law pertaining
to proper behavior.
o Before asking a question, check the Frequently Asked Questions
(FAQ) files. Chances are the answer is there.
o Please do not "flame" (insult) anyone in these newsgroups.
Discussions will naturally bring disagreements,
however, rebuttals should always be made
in a rational, logical and mature manner.
o If an inappropriate, or off subject note is posted to a group
please send a private email to the poster informing him of
the appropriate subject matter for rec.scouting.usa. Please
do not post a reply to the group. A posted reply only adds to
the clutter in the group.
o The rec.scouting heirarchy has a strong worldwide scope. Many readers
are
outside of your country and will not understand terms which are
proper to your own organization. Please keep this in mind
when setting up an article or a reply and include some basic
background information so that everyone can understand.
o English is not the one and only allowed language on rec.scouting.*;
however, it is the most widely understood. So if you're posting
a message in another language, be kind enough to add a short abstract
of its content at the beginning.
o Please limit the amount of material included from previous
postings as much as possible, and try to be concise.
However, make sure that you include enough of the original
post so as to make your follow-up sensible.
o If you state any facts, please cite a reference where interested
people can fine further information, and verify the citation.
Please refrain from making global generalizations, such as
"The xxx orgaization is the only organization in the world
that does such and such." Unless you cite a reference for
such a statement.
o Please re-edit your Subject and Newsgroup lines before sending
a follow-up. Replies in the third round rarely have a direct
relation to the original subject.
o Also, before posting, please double check the newsgroup line
and make sure you are not posting to unrelated newsgroups.
o If you post concerning a specific organization (e.g., BSA)
Please put the name of the organization (e.g., BSA:)
in the subject line. There are people from many
organizations, and from all over the world, looking at the news
group.
Many organizations have the same name for their programs (e.g., Cub
Scouts) and it gets very confusing as to what program you are
referring to.
o Please remember the scope of each newsgroup. If you find that your
discussion is going outside of this scope, please take it to another
group or off-line. Please do not cross-post within the rec.scouting
hierarchy.
o The bottom line: post intelligently, and make this newsgroup
worthwhile to read through.
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Subject: Is this where I can get clipart and fonts?
From: Bill Nelson <nel...@aztec.asu.edu>
Date: 5 May 1996
Q. Where can I get clipart and fonts?
A. There are a number of places on the net to find clipart and fonts
For a few starting places see:
http://www.hiwaay.net/usscouts/clipart.html
ftp://ftp.imp.ch/scouting/art/
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Subject: How do I let Scouts and Scouters know where my site is?
From: Mike Walton (black...@hcc-uky.campus.mci.net)
Date: 5 May 1996
Q. "I've created a SUPER web site for Scouting. How do
I let Scouts and Scouters know where it is and how to
access it?"
A. Post it to rec.scouting.misc. You can post it to
rec.scouting.usa, but you'll be missing a WHOLE LOT of
potential cruisers!! You also might want to post it to
several of the email mailing lists as well (see the
General FAQ for their addresses and information on
subscribing).
PLEASE DO NOT CROSSPOST IT TO ALL OF THE SCOUTING
NEWSGROUPS!! That defeats the charter of those groups
as well as it's a waste of time because many if not all
of those people that you reached on rec.scouting.usa MAY
ALSO BE ON THIS FORUM TOO.
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Subject: How do I post requests to trade Scouting memorbilia?
From: Bill Nelson and Mike Walton (black...@hcc-uky.campus.mci.net)
Date: 5 May 1996
Q. "I trade patches and other Scouting memorbilia. I
want to post my wants list and perhaps also sell some
of my extra Scouting items. How do I do this, and which
group(s) is/are appropriate for this?"
A. First, describe EXACTLY what you have. Remember that
the rec.scouting.* hierarchy/arrangement is an INTERNATIONAL
audience...(even the *.usa group) so descriptions like
"FDL in center, with lettering "Takeany WWW"", don't really
"cut it" here. Explain what it is: a coffeemug, a Council
Shoulder Patch, a Order of the Arrow Lodge flap, a pennant,
a uniform shirt.
Second, describe WHAT you want in trade for the item(s).
Money, patches in trade, or whatever.
Third, post YOUR email address and ASK THAT PEOPLE INTERESTED
IN YOUR ITEM(S) PLEASE REPLY TO *YOU* INSTEAD OF THE NEWSGROUP.
If you ONLY want USA respondants, post it to rec.scouting.usa;
if you ONLY want Girl Guide/Scouting respondants, post it to
rec.scouting.girl+guide; if you want WORLDWIDE respondants,
post it to rec.scouting.misc.
It is advisable that you do not cross-post within rec.scouting.*
and do not post the advertisement more than once a month).
There's also a Patch-L email discussion group that you might
want to send your information to. (For more info on subscribing
to that group, refer to FAQ #5.)
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Subject: What are the copyright laws?
From: Mike Walton (black...@hcc-uky.campus.mci.net)
Date: 5 May 1996
Q. "I want to print/use/copy some of the great postings
here. Can I do this legally and if I can't, how do I get
permission to do so?"
A. That's a grey area. There are laws in the United States that
say that anything you "publish" is copyrightable, and if
others want to use it, they must ask for your permission. Of
course, that means squat if you live in Denmark and find
some Scouting recipe or song here. There's also a USENET
"common sense rule" that basically states that if you want
to use something that you obtained here, you need to ask the
person that posted it. Of course, that "rule" isn't carved
in stone. So, I would just *ask* the person if it's okay.
For more information see postings in the group:
news.announce.newusers, and read the post
entitled: Copyright Myths FAQ.
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Subject: What can be done about the language used here?
From: Mike Walton (black...@hcc-uky.campus.mci.net)
Date: 5 May 1996
Q. "I don't like some of the language/description/ideas used
here. Is there any way that I can object or let "someone in
charge" know of my objection?"
A. There is really "nobody in charge" of an unmoderated group
like ALL of the rec.scouting.* groups are. The language
comes as a result of a freedom of speech and communication
enjoyed by citizens of the world. I'm sorry, but there's
very little you or I or anyone else can do about it. Even
with the USA's "Telecommunications Decency Act", words and
expressions stated by folks outside the USA cannot be
prosecuted or even acted upon. Please exercise care with
your children while accessing these newsgroups; please
try to uphold the best qualities of your nation's Scouting
principles while posting; and when you feel (as I do on
occasion) that you cannot control your anger, personal
emotions or feelings, please WARN those that may read your
posting that it does contain some remarks intended for
adults.
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Subject: Are the postings archieved?
From: Mike Walton (black...@hcc-uky.campus.mci.net)
Date: 5 May 1996
Q. "Are the postings here on rec.scouting.* archived in
anyway? Are MY postings to ANY newsgroup archived anywhere?"
A. Yes, to both questions. There is a website that tracks your
postings to ANY newsgroup since the first of the year and
which allows you to search by name (for instance, Mike Walton)
and see ALL of the posts he made to a particular newsgroup,
the postings made to ALL of the newsgroups (which *can* be
a little, ah-hem! embarrassing!!) and even to READ them
(REALLY ah-hem!! embarrassing!!).
Point your browser to http://www.dejanews.com and see for
yourself!
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Subject: I hear there is a boy who is collecting business cards to
collect
the most in the world, before he dies, is this true?
From: Bill Nelson <nel...@aztec.asu.edu>
Date: 29 April 1996
Q. I hear there is a boy who is collecting business cards to collect
the most in the world, before he dies, is this true?
That would make a good project for my scouts...
A. Unfortunately, it is not the case. An unauthorized letter
encouraging people to send business cards to a seriously ill
boy continues to generate thousands of pieces of mail each
day, even though the boy is now healed and the family
has requested an end to the mail.
News reports stated in 1989 that Craig Shergold, a 9-year-old
English boy diagnosed with a terminal brain tumor, wanted to
be recorded in the Guinness Book of World Records for receiving
the most greeting cards. His wish was fulfilled in 1990 after
receiving 16 million cards.
Shergold's tumor was successfully removed in March 1991.
Several versions of the letter exist, most of which
wrongly claim that the young boy remains terminally ill
and now wants to receive the largest number of business cards.
For further information, and to find out how
you can help the Make-A-Wish Foundation fulfill valid wishes see:
http://www.wish.org
Or contact:
Make-A-Wish Foundation of America
100 W. Clarendon, Suite 2200
Phoenix, AZ 85013-3518
(800) 722-9474 Fax: (602) 279-0855
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End of rec.scouting.* FAQ
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Brenda L. Groelz
Welcome to the new newsgroup for discussing Girl Scouts and
Girl Guides issues and for exchanging ideas.
I realize that many people's servers aren't picking up this
newsgroup yet, but I wonder how many of us have it already.
Let's do a roll call and see who's reading this.
I'm Brenda Groelz, leader of Junior Troop 728, Aurora,
Nebraska, USA. I have 10 girls, all just finishing 6th grade,
and after tonight, I'll be the leader of a Cadette troop! We've
got Court of Awards and Bridging tonight!
poZ
I'm in the suburbs of Corpus Christi, Tx. USA. I have a Junior Troop & a
Senior troop. Next year will be my last as a troop leader, however I'm a
lifetime member & will still be helping out in many other areas.
Margaret
--
Keep your hands, heart & mind open & someone might put something
wonderful in them.
Brenda V
In article <597cc$bd1a.1bb@NEWS>, "Brenda L. Groelz"
<bgr...@mail.hamilton.net> wrote:
Ditto to everything except who I am. I am Brenda Vogsland, leader of
GSUSA Junior Troop 3046, Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA. I have 8 girls
all just finishing the 4th grade. We are helping our Sister Troop bridge
on May 17th. Because they were a Sister Troop to a bridging troop, they
will have earned their Junior Aide Patch. Our Court of Awards is
scheduled for May 23rd. I may schedule it for May 20th if we can get a
room in the Church's Religious Ed. building for that night. School is
finished as of May 21st this year (we started in early August).
Joyce Betz
I'm Joyce Betz- a troop of 16 third graders who will be bridging
in two weeks, from Irish Hills Girl Scout Council Springport Michigan,USA
Margaret Counts
Hi, all!
I'm Margaret Counts in Cocoa Beach, FL, Sparkling Water Service Unit,
Citrus Council. Currently I am an assistant leader for Troop 563,
second year Juniors. We have a somewhat eclectic group because our
troop includes girls from two grade levels and three different
schools. My second daughter is one of the 12 girls in this troop.
In the past I have led Daisy and Brownie troops. I rejoined scouts as
an adult when my older daughter became a Daisy. She just bridged to
Cadettes last Tuesday. I have another daughter who will be joining
Daisies in another year, so I plan on being around Scouts for a long
time to come.
YIS,
Margaret in FL
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
People who think they know it all
are very annoying
to those of us who DO
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
Bev Herzog
I'm Bev Herzog. I'm on the board and chair the property
committee of the Green Meadows Girl Scout Council in
east-central Illinois. I was active from Brownies (no
Daisies then) through Campus Scouts, including 3 years as
a resident camp counselor. The only GS conctact I had for
many years was the camp's (Chalk Hills in WI) alumnae group.
After being named one of my Green Meadow's Women of
Distinction in 1994, I was recruited for the board. I am
glad to have this group because I got tired of wading through
all the irrelevent stuff and flames in rec.scouting. You are
keeping me in touch with the program side of things elsewhere,
giving me a better perspective in my current position.
Julie Thomson
Brenda L. Groelz (bgr...@mail.hamilton.net) wrote:
: Let's do a roll call and see who's reading this.
Hello, all. I have just started on this group. I'm Julie Thomson
from Rossland, British Columbia, Canada. I'm a Brown Owl of the
3rd Rossland Brownie Unit where we have 19 seven and eight year old
girls. Nice to "meet" you!!
bystarlite
Troop 1410 soon to mix with brownies flying up and become troop 1158
I'm a junior leader with older 3 graders (split between 2 large groups)
to grade 5. My troop is located in Akron, Oh at a low-income school
where 96% of school is recieving free or reduced lunch tickets. Most of
the older girls are from "Choices" a program for high risk girls. I've
had problems but enjoy being a leader. I am the daisy/brownie coor. for
my nieghborhood (daisy troop fell through). I was designed to work with
kids.
YIS
Bystarlite
Hahn haven
I am a Junior co leader of 9 scouts ages 9-12. This is my first year
altho I was involved a a helping mom in years before. It is my daughters
5th year in scouts and my 7th. I never wnt on because no one was there
for me. I will be there for my daughter and all my other scouts! We have
made honor troop this year and we have earned the Sign of the Satellite
this year, our first! We live in Leesburg, Virginia, a beautiful southern
old civilwar town in the foothills of the Blueridge Mts. about 50 miles
from D.C. I am on Scouts-L and Scouts-girl-L and just discovered this
newsgroup and I really like it, but it does generate alot of mail!!! More
that BSA! I also have a Tiger cub and will be more involved in BSA as the
years go on, but I love Girl Scouting and I am proud to say I am a Girl
Scout.
Nice to meet you all,
Sharon Hahn
Mother of 3
Junior Troop 2601
Leesburg, Va.
William L. Marsh
Hi. I'm Debbie Marsh and am a first year Brownie leader (first graders). I
was in scouting for about 6 years as a girl, until junior high peer pressue
did me in!
We have had a great year but it has been a lot of work!! I think
I'll learn to delegate to my co-leader and parents a lot more next year. This
afternoon we are planting a big flower bed outside our main library which
should be fun. I was gone all weekend, though, and worried that the plants
would freeze on my back patio. It's amazing all the things you have to think
of as a leader!
I'm not sure what will be happening next year. I will definitely stay with my
first grade troop but my other daughter's troop (second grade) is really in
need of help. The leader has attended about 5 meetings in 2 years--it is a
very loosely organized co-op troop that meets irregularly and they have missed
so much. I led their first outing in 2 years last month and it was so much
fun for all of us (the leader didn't come). There are 17 girls in the
troop--lots of enthusiasm, sold lots of cookies. But, as we all know,
leadership is so important at this age and this troop has not had any to speak
of. Another mom and I have discussed leading the troop next year--she has
about 5 years experience as a leader with another daughter. Last time I
talked to the leader I brought it up in a positive way--we will be glad to
help a lot more next year, etc.--and she said she was having family problems
and couldn't discuss it. Well, we'll just see what happens for a while and if
the existing leader says she's sticking with it I think we'll just offer an
alternative troop. The service unit manager is aware of this situation but
has offered no help, ditto for the council field rep. Both have indicated that
offering another troop in the fall would be a reasonable way to deal with it,
but left it up to me!
My concern is whether I will burn out trying to lead two troops! I would be
co-leader for the 2nd graders and leader for the first graders. I know you may
be thinking "why not combine the troops" but I am hesitant to do that since I
already have 13 girls and a total of 30 in one troop sounds like too much.
Plus, my daughters are close in age and I'd like them to have their "own"
troop--of course, they end up tagging along with the other so that may make no
difference! Having read this list and Scout-Girls-L for a while I know that
part of the answer is in involving other parents and defining what I am
willing and not willing to do. We meet in my home which works out real well.
So--that is where I am and I truly thank all who take time to post their ideas
and experience on this list!
Debbie Marsh
poZ
Debbie Marsh wrote:
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> This afternoon we are planting a big flower bed outside our main >
> library which should be fun. I was gone all weekend, though, and >
> worried that the plants would freeze on my back patio.
My troops spent most of spring break at camp, doing service projects. It
was fun, we had the whole camp to ourselves.
They set out different flowering plants in a pattern of shorter to higher
in a super neat pattern. The 'blue print' took several hours but are
worKing on Prints & Graphics too. They were fun to watch. They had to
know what color, height & basic look of the different plants. There was
a lot 'brainstorming' & they all learned many things. The time of
planting had to be just right so it would be really nice on Camp Open
House Day. The area they planted was ont of the first things everyone
saw as they first came in. I am so proud for them. They got a lot of
feedback, recognizing the time, work, & effect of the garden.
BTW Open house was in April. Our climate is sub-tropical in Corpus
Christi, Tx.
snip
> I think we'll just offer an alternative troop.
> My concern is whether I will burn out trying to lead two troops! I would be
> co-leader for the 2nd graders and leader for the first graders.snip
> We meet in my home which works out real well.snip
Debbie,
I have been a leader for 14 years. I started from scratch, not being a
Scout as a girl.
I had 1 troop the first year but I have had 2 troops the 13 years since.
On year I had 3! Besides nearly having burn-out I had trouble
remembering what each troop was working on.
2 troops at a time have many blessings. It so happened that my girls are
at the perfect age difference to help each other with requirements like
Bridging activities, leadership, teaching others to reinforce a skill,
Junior Aide & most wonderful, camping, my personal favorite.
When My oldest earned her Gold, 2 years ago & Bridged to Adults, I
decided to take a new Junior troop. So, now I have a 2nd year Senior
troop & a second year Junior troop.
When my Senior graduates I am going to try to find a leader for the
Junior troop. They will be first-year Cadettes.
I'm turning 60 soon & have had 3 lumbar surgeries & have been diagnosed a
having TIA, so as much as it pains me, I feel I should let someone
without the baggage of ill health. My Girl Scouts have always been
understanding when I had to cancel meetings because of a medical problem.
I quit telling them why because bless their hearts, they would send
flowers & such, to the extent that I know it hurt their parents,
financially. Most of my girls are from monetarily disadvantaged homes.
I feel that I'm breaking a promise when I have to cancel a meeting or
event. I have no help with the troops except for my family. The one
bright side to that is there are no disagreements over program.
Go for it.
With my blessing,
Betsy Woodford
In article <4n0tk6$e...@kryten.awinc.com>, jtho...@wintermute.awinc.com
(Julie Thomson) wrote:
>
> Brenda L. Groelz (bgr...@mail.hamilton.net) wrote:
> : Let's do a roll call and see who's reading this.
I'm Betsy Woodford, and I led a troop of 4th grade juniors that has been
together since Daisys. I'm a 20 year scout, former SUM, program committee,
etc.
We're having our court in two weeks, and for the first time, some of the
troop is going to established camp for a week this summer! We're troop 657,
Mt. Wilson Vista Council, Arcadia, California, USA
Betsy
Nancy Rimassa
Nancy Rimassa ... I've been a leader for 13 years. Currently have Daisies.
Going to Iceland this summer as a co-leader for a patrol of
international Wider Opportunity Women.
Write me if you have any hints for International Jamboree participants.
Sisters in Scouting,
"Sunny"
Michele & Daniel Breaux
Brenda L. Groelz wrote:
> Let's do a roll call and see who's reading this.
Hi! I'm Michele Breaux, leader of Brownie troop #20, Jackson
Mississippi, USA. My Brownies are mostly 2nd graders, from four
different schools!
Michele
Patti Whatley
Hello! I am Patti Whatley, fortunate leader of Troop 289 Girl Scouts, of
Pelican Council of Girl Scouts, in Shreveport, Louisiana, USA! Currently,
I have 28 registered Brownie Girl Scouts (who will be meeting over the
summer by unanimous vote!), 24 of whom are actually active members, and
10 of whom will be performing their bridging activities this summer, and
bridging in August, before the back to school rush! I read this newsgroup
with much interest, almost daily, and several names are already familiar to
me through patch trading (!), pen pals, Chris Welch's page, and the list
digest. I derive many of "my" ideas from here! As of August, my Troop will
consist of both Brownie and Junior Scouts, with a sister Daisy Troop meeting
on the same night (our council will only allow two age levels per troop).
The Brownies will meet from 5:45 - 6:45 and the Juniors from 7:00 - 8:00 on
the second & fourth Monday of each month (the Daisy leader hasn't set a time
for hers yet). I know that I will need at least 15 minutes to switch gears!
I am extremely lucky in that I have a wonderful set of ACTIVE parents to
draw on for help! This year, I am going to actually use them (it took me
a while to learn how to delegate). I am looking for someone to take the
incoming 1st graders this coming year, though (& next year they'll have 1st
& 2nd; the next year all Brownies), so that I can move up with my girls. My
daughter will be a Junior, so I suppose I could just go with Juniors, but
then the Brownies wouldn't have a leader, and I would lose my girls! From
what I have read, most troops meet more often and/or longer than we do, but
we manage to pack a lot into our meetings! One thing we love to do is swap
Council/Area/Unit/etc. patches! Anyone interested? Also, check out our
web page at http://165.247.199.172/289home.html! I am currently "attending"
Diane Hoag's web authoring class via e-mail, so our page is constantly under
construction (and may not always be "professionally" done). Come see us!
The Londravilles
Hello! I'm Mona Londraville, leader of Junior Troop 175 in
Watertown, NY, USA. There are 7 girls in our troop (one is my
daughter), all in 5th grade. I've been either assistant, co-, or
leader to most of the 7 since 1st year Brownies.
Two of my girls and myself are going to International Camp in
Petawawa, Ontario with the Opeongo Division Girl Guides this
weekend. (Anybody else out there going?) We're VERY excited!
The girls are working on a troop Web page and are trading
council/division (district, province?) patches with troops and
individuals we meet through the internet. Send us e-mail if
you'd like to trade for a Thousand Islands GSC patch!
Mona
email: lond...@aldus.northnet.org
URL: http://www.azmetro.com/175home.html
Binshine
In article <319804...@Felix.teclink.net>, Michele & Daniel Breaux
<Spo...@Felix.teclink.net> writes:
>> Let's do a roll call and see who's reading this.
Brownie Troop 3079... Groton CT USA... have 38 registered... will take
over the troop next year with a new co-leader. I have 27 years in... but
this is my first with Brownies... quite an experience!
Robin "Cooky" Stevens
First Class 1968
Connecticut Trails Council
AKA Sunn...@aol.com
"If it weren't for this half of the world...
the other half would be the whole thing."
"Why settle 4 a Star, when u can the Sun?"
Jocelyne Pasman
Julie Thomson (jtho...@wintermute.awinc.com) wrote:
: Hello, all. I have just started on this group. I'm Julie Thomson
: from Rossland, British Columbia, Canada. I'm a Brown Owl of the
: 3rd Rossland Brownie Unit where we have 19 seven and eight year old
: girls. Nice to "meet" you!!
Hi Julie!
It's a pleasure to see some more Canadians on here... I sometimes feel
like laughing when I read these posts about units with 12 and 13 girls from
one grade level or school as being difficult!
We had our district registration night last night, and next year I will
have 21 7 and 8 year olds, spanning three grades and seven schools...
I'm pleased, almost all the girls who are new for next year (11) chose
our unit after talking to a girl in the unit, or a parent about the program
we offer (small gloat - the unit down the street which has run their
program in the same way for 20+ years only got two new girls for next year)
I'm in Toronto, for those of you who haven't met me yet, and if you've
posted to the camping thread, you'll probably be hearing from me soon,
as I've been offered the opportunity to write and have published a book
on Guiding camp experiences as a fourth year independent study at Univ.
Quite exciting! Any Canadian Guiders or former Guiders who would consent
to an online "interview" about their Guiding experiences, please let
me know!
Jocelyne
--
"It's impossible to be uncheered with a balloon."
-Winnie the Pooh
Jocelyne Pasman yu10...@yorku.ca Jocelyn...@edu.yorku.ca
poZ
Jocelyne Pasman wrote:
>
> Julie Thomson (jtho...@wintermute.awinc.com) wrote:
>
> : Hello, all. I have just started on this group. I'm Julie Thomson
> : from Rossland, British Columbia, Canada. I'm a Brown Owl of the
> : 3rd Rossland Brownie Unit where we have 19 seven and eight year old
> : girls. Nice to "meet" you!!
>
> Hi Julie!
>
> It's a pleasure to see some more Canadians on here... I sometimes feel
> like laughing when I read these posts about units with 12 and 13 girls from
> one grade level or school as being difficult!
>
> We had our district registration night last night, and next year I will
> have 21 7 and 8 year olds, spanning three grades and seven schools...
> I'm pleased, almost all the girls who are new for next year (11) chose
> our unit after talking to a girl in the unit, or a parent about the program
> we offer (small gloat - the unit down the street which has run their
> program in the same way for 20+ years only got two new girls for next year)
>
Hi ya'll, from Texas,
I'm curious. Do you have something similar to GSUSA Safety Wise?
We have certain ratios of Girls to Adults here.
I'm ashamed to say it, but in my experience & observation it's hard to
get enough parents &/or a place large enough for meetings of large
troops.
I started out with 23 girls & 3 moms. More girls wanted to be Scouts but
had no adults willing or able to help out.
I now have 2 separate troops & there is a trip, planned by the council,
the girls want to go on. For health reasons I can't go but I finally
found 2 moms who could take 3 girls. We also have a rule that we have to
have a seat belt for each person.
YIS&G,
achi...@worldnet.att.net
In <597cc$bd1a.1bb@NEWS>, "Brenda L. Groelz" <bgr...@mail.hamilton.net> writes:
>>Let's do a roll call and see who's reading this.
>
>
Girl Scout who will be bridging to Brownies next week. Her
troop is 12 girls, and all but one, who is moving out of town,
will be bridging to the same troop with the same leader from
this year. BTW, The leaders DID like the T-shirts the girls
made for them for leader day. They were surprised!
Sara Crawley
Howdy,
I lead Junior Troop 500 which has 9 girls this year. We are a
mixed grade *and* mixed school troop. There were a couple of
new girls in town who preferred Troop 500's more traditional
weekly meetings to their school's Junior troops monthly
meetings. Next year it looks like we'll pick up a few more
girls from other schools and grow to 15-18.
As of last night at our SU Meeting, I'll be one of two Co-SU
Managers. I went to the meeting knowing that our current SUM
might be leaving and thinking that if we could find someone
else to take the job for 2 years I would after that. (I'm new
in town and wanted to get to know the town and SU a little
better) I was hoping that my saying that I would do it in two
years would lead someone else to volunteer for now. Well, it
didn't quite work out that way.
Sara, who finally found "guide+girl"
--
Sara Crawley Leader, Junior Troop 500
scra...@acad.umass.edu Troop Consultant
Western Mass GS Council First Class 1977, Sooner Council
bsc...@ibm.net
My name is Barb Scott. I have two troops, a 2nd grade Brownie troop that is
very active...camping, service activities, Try-Its, etc., and a Daisy troop that
was a late bloomer (pardon the pun) this year. Both troops are part of the Girl Scouts
of Lake Erie Council. I'm always anxious to hear new ideas for troop activities.
Barbara Scott/bsc...@ibm.net
Cleveland, OH
Neil Savage
Neil Savage. Co-manager of a Service Unit that includes three seacoast
New Hampshire towns - about 260 Girl Scouts from Brownies to Cadettes.
Next year we hope to have a Daisy troop too.
Also, trainer in basic leadership and outdoor skills courses.
Consultant in 'aquatic' sciences - tidepooling, salt marsh, and
pond life workshops.
Direct "Discovery" programs on Father's Day weekend every year for
the past eight years. I've been a Girl Scout volunteer for ten years.
Collector of "Songs for Scouts to Sing" and "More Songs for Scouts to
Sing" (Archived on the internet). Also collecting 'Scouts Own' material.
For four years I co-lead a Cadette troop and have many fond memories.
Duane A. Vore
In article <597cc$bd1a.1bb@NEWS>,
"Brenda L. Groelz" <bgr...@mail.hamilton.net> wrote:
>Welcome to the new newsgroup for discussing Girl Scouts and
>Girl Guides issues and for exchanging ideas.
>
Hi! My name is Duane Vore. It's great to see this group show up.
"rec.scouting" means "Boy" scouting, and I got tired of wading
through Merit Badge arguements to glean the meager Girl Scout/Guide
postings.
I am the creator of the High Adventure program at Buckeye Trails
Council, and have been running it since 1991. We're into things
like caving, rappelling, whitewater rafting, and the like, so
it involves older girls, typically sixth grade Juniors and up. The
program has quite a few loyal followers, and some of them are
about ready to graduate into a leader role.
I'm also co-leader of a Senior troop, Council Trainer in outdoor
skills, and Program Consultant in outdoor skills, science, and
computers.
Anyone know if GSUSA has an e-mail address?
--Duane
Jo-Ann Woolverton
Hello,
My name is Jo-Ann Woolverton. I am currently a tawny owl with the 332nd
Tornto Brownies. We have 11 girls currently. We are taking 7 girls
camping at the end of May (see you there Jocelyne!).
I recently attended my first Provincial Annual and had a great deal of
fun meeting guiders from around our province.
Yours in Guiding,
Jo-Ann Woolverton (Tawny Owl)
332nd Toronto Brownies
--
Jo-Ann Woolverton | Live long and prosper - Vulcan greeting
|
Toronto, Ontario, Canada | "...isn't it nice to think that tomorrow is a new
| day with no mistakes in it yet?" - Anne Shirley
jaw...@io.org |
bj...@torfree.net | Imagination is more important the knowledge
| Albert Einstein
Lesley Adams
Since everyone else who has replied to this roll call seems to be from
across the Atlantic I thought I would prove that us Europeans are
reading this NG too.
Hi! I'm Lesley. I've been in Guiding all my life and am now an Assistant
Guider with the 10th Portsmouth (St. Peters) Guides.
My main interests lie in the outdoors and taking the girls to camp is
one of my favourite activities (although it's hard work!)
Lesley
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The opinions expressed here are mine and not the University's.
Lesley Adams Tel: (44) 1705 843623
Centre for Molecular Design Fax: (44) 1705 843277
University of Portsmouth email: ada...@cv.port.ac.uk
U.K. or ada...@sisko.sci.port.ac.uk
Patti Whatley
I guess I'm luckier than most - I have 28 registered Brownies, 24 active,
and 13 registered adults - but I have many more active adults that aren't
registered! Perhaps my parents are so involved because I stressed at the
beginning of the year that without parental participation, we would not
have a troop. I don't know. I do know that I couldn't ask for a better
support team than I have, even if it is not an official Troop Committee.
Patti Whatley, Leader
Troop 289 Girl Scouts
Pelican Council
Shreveport, LA
Nancy Rauschenberg
Hi! I'm Nancy Rauschenberg, a program volunteer for older girls, in
Woodbury, MN. I work with Cadette and Senior troops in my Service
Unit,especially on outdoor adventure trips and the like. I've been a
staff member at six Wider Ops and one International Op (to Japan, 1987).
I don't have a troop but we run interest project groups that draw girls
from all the troops in our community and occasionally girls from nearby.
I also work as a Gold Award Mentor (guide the candidates through the
planning and approval of their project), Wider Op interviewer, and the
like. I spent two years on the national (GSUSA) committee that selects
girls for international opportunities. Occasionally I do trainings, but
to be honest, I'd rather work with girls and their leaders than just
leaders....dunno why, I always enjoy leaders weekends......maybe it's the
energy level of the girls.....
I figure I'll start as a Daisy troop leader if/when I ever have a
daughter who's interested, and see an entirely different cross-section of
the Girl Scout program! I'm already enjoying the discussions here, and
looking forward to more as this group evolves!
Nancy Rauschenberg
Woodbury Service Unit(Minnesota, where we finally hit 70 degrees today!!)
GS Council of the St. Croix Valley
Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.
Megan Farr
"Brenda L. Groelz" <bgr...@mail.hamilton.net> wrote:
>Welcome to the new newsgroup for discussing Girl Scouts and
>Girl Guides issues and for exchanging ideas.
>I realize that many people's servers aren't picking up this
>newsgroup yet, but I wonder how many of us have it already.
>Let's do a roll call and see who's reading this.
I'm Megan Farr from Cumbria, England. I'm not Guiding at the moment,
but am looking to get back into it. I am 21 and have been through
Brownies, Guides and Rangers in New Zealands, then been a leader in
Denmark, New Zealand and England.
After 2 years of moving around a lot I have just bought a house with
my fiance and will have made it habitable by the end of the summer,
when hopefully I will find myself a unit to work with.
YIG
Megan
Jane or Gerhard Peters
Greetings from Canada!
I am in my third year as Brown Owl for Brownies, and my first year as
the 3rd Guider for Guides. Next year I will just be doing Guides, since
both daughters will be in the same unit.
We have something similar to Safety Wise in Canada - POR stands for
Policy Organization & Rules. We are supposed to have at least 2 Guiders
for every unit, whether it be Sparks (5-6 yrs old), to Senior Branches
(15 - 18). It is recommended that 2 adults attend every meeting in case
an emergency occurs, and 1 adult needs to leave to take someone for
medical help. However, the more stingent rules occur mainly for
overnights. Ratios range from 1:2 for Sparks to 1:8 for Pathfinders
(ages 12-15), with a minimum of 3 adults for Brownies & 2 adults for
Guides & up.
We typically have multi-age units, with a mix of grades and schools.
With the change of Brownies to a 2 year program, our enrollment dropped
from 22 to 16 this year, and our Guide unit was at the recommended
maximum of 24 girls - this was a new unit last year with only 5 of last
year's 20 girls with any Guiding experience!
I love the Guiding leadership experience -- although I was a Brownie &
Guide, I only camped once in my 5 years. Through the process of
expanding the horizons of the girls, I am expanding my experiences and
it is a real rush.
Yours in Guiding
Jane Peters
Brown Owl, 4th Arnprior Brownies
Guider, 2nd Arnprior Guides
Arnprior, Ont. Canada
monk...@cf.ac.uk
My name is Kathryn Monkhouse and I'm the Brownie Guider (Brown Owl) of
3rd St Athan Brownies in Wales. I've been a Guider for 4 years, part of
the time in Kent in England, and now in St Athan in Wales. I love
running a Brownie pack and have a very helpful assistant leader -
although she is new to Guiding she is very enthusiastic! We have 15
Brownies at the moment, ranging between age 7 and 10. We have just had
a Fun Day where the Brownies put up tents and did some tie-dyeing. Our
next "event" other than our weekly meeting will be a very simple
introduction to orienteering at a local park. I'm really looking
forward to it, though I hope it doesn't rain. The Brownies (or is it
their parents I should blame?) think that if it's sunny when they
arrive for an activity they don't need to bring a coat - it drives me
mad!!! But the Brownies themselves are worth it.
We have had a lot of fun writing letters to Brownies in the USA and
Canada through contacts on the internet. I think it's great to have
this opportunity to find out about international Guiding/Girl Scouting,
and exchange idea with other leaders on this newsgroup.
YiGGGS,
Kathryn Monkhouse
Anna-Marie Fisher
Hello
I am Anna Fisher and I am new to this group. It took a while to find you but
I glad I have at last.
I am an assistant guider near Bristol U.K. Up until last July I had my
own unit but I had a 3rd child in sept and 3 under 5's and a running a guide
unit were not compatable as I could get little help.I now help with a large
unit of 40, and we have a waiting list over flowing too. I am taking over
responsibility for the Action plus group which is for 13+ girls so will be
particularily interested in ideas for that age group.
I have other hobbies besides guides which include lots of needlecraft
and craft work.
I look forward to reading this newsgroup and shall merrily post away
when I need or can be of help.
Anna
--Anna-Marie Fisher
S. Moore
Did I already do this? Life has been so hectic, I can't remember! I'll
do the thumbnail sketch method...
*6 years as leader, currently have 11 girls in a Junior GS troop. We are
planning on going hiking and horseback riding this summer (have to drive
about an hour to get to a place where it's cool enough to hike in the
summer, though)
*3 or 4 years (can't remember) as trainer. Prefer outdoor specialty
trainings and am hoping to go to Macy this Aug for the outdoor design course.
*retiring after 2 years as Service Unit Manager (49 troops - 625 girls)
ooops...make that co-manager :) I certainly didn't do it by myself :))
*new Brownie Consultant for next year
*Gold Award Alliance member
*All-round sucker when the right people ask in the right way <VBG>
That's me :)
Sue
ps oh yeah, I'm an at-home mom who will be homeschooling a 6th-grader for
the first time next year. OK, I think I'm really done this time...
--
Sue Moore University of Nevada, Las Vegas moor...@nevada.edu
YukonMama
Howdy! I'm Eileen Preston in Maumee Valley GSC in Toledo. I'm a council
trainer doing Brownie and Junior levels, Bridging and Cerimonies, crafts,
and science.
I was a scout from Brownies thru Senior and my first troop was a Cadette
troop many many many moons ago. I've had 3rd grade Brownies and Juniors
as well taking several troops thru bridging to Cadettes and passing them
on to other capable leaders.
I was a National Delegate in 1990 in Miami - that was an experience!
I don't have a troop at this time due to sever scheduling conflicts and
probably won't pick one up for a while longer but am continuing to
participate as a trainer and helping out with Council events whenever I
can.
Karen Hinrichs
Gee, everyone's introducing themselves.....
Hi! I'm Karen Hinrichs, and currently adrift after moving.
I've been a leader in the Cannon Valley Council, and more
recently in the St. Croix Valley Council, both in Minnesota. I've
also been involved in my service units in both councils. In Lake
City, I handled publicity for a small service unit of about 45 girls
(it's a small town, dominated by Camp Fire, but Girl Scouting was
making a remarkable comeback when I moved from there!) For Oak Shore
Hills, I was the Cookie Sale Coordinator. What a job! Lots of fun,
though, and my favorite day of the entire cookie sale was the day my
garage was filled with cases of Thin Mints and smelled SOOOOO
delightful!
I've also been a Junior leader for most of my six years in
scouting, and a Cadette leader for part of this year -- moved in the
middle again. I sure hate leaving the girls adrift, but my co-leader
has been great each time!
My service has just picked up this newsgroup, I hope to be
able to keep up with it, and share information when I can!
Karen
ka...@micron.net
And now, back to my regularly scheduled lurk!
Nette Clarke
>"Brenda L. Groelz" <bgr...@mail.hamilton.net> wrote:
>Welcome to the new newsgroup for discussing Girl Scouts and
>Girl Guides issues and for exchanging ideas.
>I realize that many people's servers aren't picking up this
>newsgroup yet, but I wonder how many of us have it already.
>Let's do a roll call and see who's reading this.
Hello
My name is Nette Clarke and my passion is Rangering. I am the Ranger
Guider of Horizon Ranger Guide Unit, a group of 14 x 14 - 20 yr. olds
who meet just north of Oxford in the UK.
At the present moment I'm also caretaking a Guide Company of 13 x
10 - 12 yr. olds. I have the help of a couple of very enthusiastic
young Assistants who I hope will soon be taking over the Group.
Also for my sins I'm the Oxfordshire Queen's Guide Recorder.
I'm really enjoying this newsgroup but would love to see more input
from Europe, Asia and Africa.
Are you also out there....
YIG
Nette
Jan T Pharo
On Wed, 22 May 1996 22:49:55 GMT, 10053...@compuserve.com (Nette
Clarke) wrote:
.....
>I'm really enjoying this newsgroup but would love to see more input
>from Europe, Asia and Africa.
>Are you also out there....
Yes, at least I am.
A male leader in a normal norwegian scout group; we're twenty-some
members including 5 leaders (2 male, 3 female); presently another 5
girls.
I'll be lurking around here, and occasionally, I'll even try to post
something if I have something to share or I see something to respond
to.
What else? Age 52, married to Anne who is one of the other leaders,
living on an island together with another 1000 persons - plus 4000
additional vacation guests; other occupations (outside my job) are
enjoying the life with an old wooden smack, and making Marriage
Encounter weekends.
>
>YIG
>
>Nette
>
YIS+G ..._speiderhilsen_
--
Jan T Pharo
Group scout leader, Kirkeoy Sea Scouts, Norway
Mike Willis
In article <4nfslt$9...@morse.ukonline.co.uk>, megan...@ukonline.co.uk
says...
>
>"Brenda L. Groelz" <bgr...@mail.hamilton.net> wrote:
>
>>Welcome to the new newsgroup for discussing Girl Scouts and
>>Girl Guides issues and for exchanging ideas.
>
>>I realize that many people's servers aren't picking up this
>>newsgroup yet, but I wonder how many of us have it already.
>>Let's do a roll call and see who's reading this.
>
>but am looking to get back into it. I am 21 and have been through
>Brownies, Guides and Rangers in New Zealands, then been a leader in
>Denmark, New Zealand and England.
>
>After 2 years of moving around a lot I have just bought a house with
>my fiance and will have made it habitable by the end of the summer,
>when hopefully I will find myself a unit to work with.
>
>YIG
>
>Megan
>
Sacramento, Calif
Douglas
mi...@cwo.com (Mike Willis) wrote:
Thought I'd send this clip art of a daisy for you to use in case you
wanted to recruit daisy kindergarten girl scouts. Daisies are new to
the United States. Do you have them in England?
Brownie Leader Troop #84
Joleen Wilson
Douglas
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