Long Distance running and kidney problems???
Chris Yura
Quick question.
One of my friends who is in med. school recently was studying
something about the kidney.
There is a disease, which I do not remember the name of, that he said
was caused by doing extremely high mileage. Extremely was defined as
like 80+ miles per week.
Apparantly, there is some buildup of something in the kidney, which
leads to feeling tired, and eventually your kidney *could* fail. This
is what he told me, I have not verified. I didn't believe him, but
figured I'd ask.
I have been running since high school, and am well into that
"extremely" high mileage group, often peaking my mileage at 120 miles
per week (not EVERY week, I do cycles).
Any confirmations, or "nah, he's just an idiot" statements??
MichaelJack...@molested.com
On 20 Nov 2003 14:04:30 -0800, sirh...@hotmail.com (Chris Yura)
wrote:
Tim Downie
> Any confirmations, or "nah, he's just an idiot" statements??
Nah, he's just an idiot.
I've never heard of any kidney problem that's mileage related other than
haemoglobinuria which isn't really a kidney problem.. Doesn't mean there
isn't one but it's not something I'd worry about.
Tim
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Doug Freese
Chris Yura wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Quick question.
>
> One of my friends who is in med. school recently was studying
> something about the kidney.
>
> There is a disease, which I do not remember the name of, that he said
> was caused by doing extremely high mileage. Extremely was defined as
> like 80+ miles per week.
I don't know of any cause and effect issue. A person may have a
problem that is exacerbated with heavy mileage but this is not the
cause.
If he is talking about something like hyper/hyponatremia which can
effect the renal system, it is not a product of running miles per se
but a case of too few or too many electrolytes, specifically salt.
Hopefully something was lost in the translation or else he needs
more time studying the renal system.
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Doug Freese
"Caveat Lector"
dfre...@NOBShvc.rr.com
Kevin
wrote:
>
>Apparantly, there is some buildup of something in the kidney, which
>leads to feeling tired, and eventually your kidney *could* fail. This
>is what he told me, I have not verified. I didn't believe him, but
>figured I'd ask.
>
There has been some documented evidence of Kidney problems with high
mileage+dehydration+ibuprofen. I believe that it can also contribute
to Hyponatremia. Here's a couple of links to more info:
http://www.ultrunr.com/kidney.html
http://www.diynet.com/diy/lh_general_info/article/0,2041,DIY_14040_2275783,00.html
http://www.atlantafit.com/Seminar_notes-Hydration.shtml
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lil' frenchie
wrote:
>There has been some documented evidence of Kidney problems with high
>mileage+dehydration+ibuprofen. I believe that it can also contribute
>to Hyponatremia. Here's a couple of links to more info:
>http://www.ultrunr.com/kidney.html
>http://www.diynet.com/diy/lh_general_info/article/0,2041,DIY_14040_2275783,00.html
>http://www.atlantafit.com/Seminar_notes-Hydration.shtml
Oh DUHHHHH you dumbass! Gee, if we run in 100 degree heat with no
water, for four hours, we'll get sick? No shit, you're a regular Dick
Tracy dude! Thank god we have you to explain this to us.
Christian Lemburg
Noakes in the Lore Of Running mentions that some Soviet athletes were
rumored to have got Addison's disease (see
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/endo/pubs/addison/addison.htm for some
definition/explanation) after excessive overtraining that went on for
months and years, IIRC, in the chapter about overtraining.
This is echoed by this quick google find:
Overtraining Syndrome. A Guide to Diagnosis, Treatment, and
Prevention. Christopher J. Hawley, MD; Robert B. Schoene,
MD. http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2003/0603/hawley.htm
Might be that your friend was referring to this.
OTOH, this seems to be a very rare consequence of overtraining that
only develops after ignoring other symptoms for quite some time.
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Christian Lemburg, <lem...@aixonix.de>, http://www.clemburg.com/
"Don't say yes until I finish talking."
-- Darryl F. Zanuck
rick++
Its a combination of overworking the kidney and distorting the sense of thirst.
Mood drugs like prozac have also been indicted. So have high protein diets.
Kevin
wrote:
>
>Oh DUHHHHH you dumbass! Gee, if we run in 100 degree heat with no
>water, for four hours, we'll get sick? No shit, you're a regular Dick
>Tracy dude! Thank god we have you to explain this to us.
Yeah, and if two cousins marry each other they will end up like you.
Go back to your trailer park TBR.
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Lyndon
Ibuprofen before long runs especially restricts bloodflow into the kidneys and
is a bad thing to do. There are warnings against it (such as in Gatorade SSI)
and it has been discussed here before.
Dehydration is also something that has been discussed here recently, and many
runners doing even moderate mileage can become chronically dehydrated, which
can put stress on the kidneys.
But NEITHER of these things is DIRECTLY caused by high mileage.
Lyndon
"Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach
Brooks Johnson
Scra...@yahooz.com
wrote:
>Yeah, and if two cousins marry each other they will end up like you.
>Go back to your trailer park TBR.
You come out with a stupid-ass troll like that, and what did you
expect?
On the other subject, I didn't know cousin Ellie and me need to be
hitched to screw.
steve common
>Gee, if we run in 100 degree heat with no
>water, for four hours, we'll get sick?
Not if you train to get used to it. I seem to remember someone writing
here, very recently, that they could do that with no problem.
Now who was that...? ;->
marty
If your being fecetious (look it up) then it's not appreciated. I said
I can run up to 10 miles without H2O, and do it daily. However I
wouldn't try that in 100' degree heat, even if you're immortal like
me.
There can be only one.
Tom Wheeler
trash plenty more neat stuff to survive.. butt butt the last week is
like not so many ridding bike as long distance and kidneys.
Say to never end of fart the most. I do got you all beat. A hippo man
farting contest that evan make all the animals bow in defeat.... try
condense milk and say. mac n cheese. or say amino acid cereals. or
again whit breads and Bologna. or sandwiches and mac and cheeses and
condense milk. or just anything on order of what you don't eat. and
see if kidneys work. eight e differ if you don't has the flu.
A man who can't shit no more. after 2 1/2 with out stopin. I did not
know this twoo be posible. evan thge no eatting for two days two..... In
time when strong again........ not a dime to his name. after a long hard
battle with the flu and tee shits. ventures in the land of the living on
his bike to fine 10 cent cans so he can eat...after a long year of
battle with no pay or help for a year comes to a u.s.a. flay on ground.
after a 50 to 70 mpr wind of say 27 hours long. He leans his bike
again the tree on over the flag and watches cop....... looks at the sun
rising red and warm on his shaw running nose. blowing cold smoke from
the chill of air. thinking of cold Budweiser for a drink in back pack.
bends broken metal pole and places back in tree stand. and watches the
cop who padded his hand gun and window down and smiled. and rolled up
his window and kept ridding. probe catting donate and drinking his warm
coffee.
Later watches traffic all going to work. and smiles squill to the warm
sun god that warms his running nose and 5 miles in and 3 cans
found....... keep your money you. I don't want it and I don't need it
or you. I am the bird. and I have learn to live with out you.......
The hobo bum.......
Doug Freese
marty wrote:
> If your being fecetious (look it up) then it's not appreciated.
I did look it up and there is no such word, If you mean facetious
and want to use it to bust chops then at least spell it right.
> I can run up to 10 miles without H2O, and do it daily. However I
> wouldn't try that in 100' degree heat, even if you're immortal like
> me.
> There can be only one.
You are eunuch, I mean unique.