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Michelle

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Nov 8, 2009, 11:17:12 PM11/8/09
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No, I didn't run it; I was a "caller". For some reason, neither the
organization that times the race nor the organization that runs it have
clocks to put at the mile markers, so they have volunteers calling out the
times.

I called the 3 mile and 6 mile points of the 10K and the 3 mile point of
the 5K. The 10K was twice around the 5K route.

The 10K started at 8 am and the 5K started at 9:15 am. There were people
still in the 10K race when the leaders of the 5K were crossing the finish
line Some people did a double header and ran both races.

The winning time for the 10K was 29:49 (4:48 pace); the first woman to
cross the finish line did it in 35:41 (which is about my PR for a 5K), a
5:43 pace. She was 24th overall.

The winning time for the 5K was 14:07; a 4:33 pace. The first woman across
the finish line was 19th overall, with a time of 16:45, a pace of 5:24.
She was 19th overall.

One woman in my age group did both races; she did the 5K in 39:17 after
doing the 10K in 1:10:59. She ran the 10K at about 1 minute per mile
faster than she ran the 5K. Four women in the AG ran the 10, but she was
the only one who ran the 5K.

--
26.2 Because I can

pithydoug

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:36:38 AM11/9/09
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On Nov 8, 11:17 pm, Michelle <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> No, I didn't run it; I was a "caller".  For some reason, neither the
> organization that times the race nor the organization that runs it have
> clocks to put at the mile markers, so they have volunteers calling out the
> times.

Clocks at mile markers? Thats what call spoiled to the NTH degree. I
have run thousands of races and the only race that I ever saw a clock
on the course was Boston and that was every 5k and those were outside
timers contracted. Most of the professional timers, have at best two
clocks and it gets damn expensive for an additional clock.


Barking out times at mile markers is also a thing of the past at least
in my area. I can't speak for my NYC brethren and the NYC Road Runners
club which is just above the poverty line. :) Since the creation of
those timing devices that cost a few bucks that strap to one's wrist,
so went barking times. At best there will be mile markers for the 99%
of the runners that have a watch.

Is the post race meal a sit down meal, ordering off a menu with cloth
napkins and a limo ride home?

-D

Michelle

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Nov 9, 2009, 8:53:44 AM11/9/09
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<83962f09-e27a-40d2...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
pithydoug <dfr...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:

> > No, I didn't run it; I was a "caller". �For some reason, neither the
> > organization that times the race nor the organization that runs it
> > have clocks to put at the mile markers, so they have volunteers
> > calling out the times.
>
> Clocks at mile markers? Thats what call spoiled to the NTH degree.

Well, come to think of it, in most races I've been in shorter than a half
marathon, there haven't been clocks enroute. And the Lost Dutchman
marathon (and shorter distances on the same route) doesn't have them either.

> Is the post race meal a sit down meal, ordering off a menu with cloth
> napkins and a limo ride home?

*chuckle* There wasn't any post-race meal. Not any food at all, come to
think of it.

-- Michelle

Parker Race

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Nov 9, 2009, 10:14:27 AM11/9/09
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They had people calling the mile splits and the 5 and 10k spilts at the
Stocka-death-on yesterday.
What was really good was that they had chip mats for the 5 and 10k as well
and all 3 splits were published with the results.
I always have a tough time with the last 5k of that course, the unseasonably
warm weather didn't help my cause!


>Is the post race meal a sit down meal, ordering off a menu with cloth
>napkins and a limo ride home?

No limos there, On the drive there I followed Ed Whitlock, the infamous 78
year old from Canada who was chaffuering himself.
There was an abundance of food at the end but the volunteers were being
particularly miserly. I was admonished for attempting to take two cider
donuts!

rms

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:30:49 PM11/9/09
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> Barking out times at mile markers is also a thing of the past at least
> in my area.

The Big Sur marathon had military guys all along the course screaming
out times every few seconds: unbelievably thoughtless and stupid. Like
having Glenn Beck & Rush Limbaugh shows on art museum loudspeakers.

rms

John Hurley

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Nov 9, 2009, 4:32:00 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 9, 12:30 pm, "rms" <rsquires...@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote:

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Almost all of the races I run in have people calling out times at mile
markers.

It is a courtesy to the runners so you don't have to look down at your
watch.

Charlie Pendejo

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Nov 9, 2009, 5:05:54 PM11/9/09
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rms:

>>     The Big Sur marathon had military guys all along the course screaming
>> out times every few seconds:  unbelievably thoughtless and stupid.  Like
>> having Glenn Beck & Rush Limbaugh shows on art museum loudspeakers.

I guess you're objecting to their interruption of your blissful
appreciation of the inspiring scenery? OK, I get that. But really, I
can just about guarantee your Big Sur experience was less marred by
the barking time criers than mine by a certain neurotic (more than me
even!) redhead.

JBH:


> Almost all of the races I run in have people calling out times at mile
> markers.
>
> It is a courtesy to the runners so you don't have to look down at your
> watch.

Yeah, and I've been to a few with clocks up at the mile markers.
That's my favorite. Doug mentions cost, and maybe for a smaller race
it's prohibitive; but in a big race with thousands of entrants I can't
imagine renting these clocks is more than pocket change out of my
entry fee. I'll gladly chip in a quarter for that - where I'd like
the expense spared is in the mandatory tee shirt I have no interest in.

pithydoug

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:07:04 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 9, 10:14 am, "Parker Race" <noyouc...@noaddress.com> wrote:
> "pithydoug" <dfre...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> They had people calling the mile splits and the 5 and 10k spilts at the
> Stocka-death-on yesterday.
> What was really good was that they had chip mats for the 5 and 10k as well
> and all 3 splits were published with the results.
> I always have a tough time with the last 5k of that course, the unseasonably
> warm weather didn't help my cause!

I used to do that race almost every year. I loved the 15k distance
with people dying big time at the 10k. Assuming the same course, the
climb up the State Street hill and the left into the park l would cull
out the pseudo runners. :)

Hope to see you this winter.

-D

Parker Race

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Nov 10, 2009, 9:16:49 AM11/10/09
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"pithydoug" <dfr...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 9, 10:14 am, "Parker Race" <noyouc...@noaddress.com> wrote:
> "pithydoug" <dfre...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
>


> They had people calling the mile splits and the 5 and 10k spilts at the
> Stocka-death-on yesterday.
> What was really good was that they had chip mats for the 5 and 10k as well
> and all 3 splits were published with the results.
> I always have a tough time with the last 5k of that course, the
> unseasonably
> warm weather didn't help my cause!

*I used to do that race almost every year. I loved the 15k distance
*with people dying big time at the 10k. Assuming the same course, the
*climb up the State Street hill and the left into the park l would cull
*out the pseudo runners. :)

They changed the course due to construction years ago but it's no easier.
You still go up State Street but turn back in earlier. It's actually quite
approriate that you now travel through a cemetery between miles 6 and 7.
There's now a different nasty hill. You hit the the 7 mile mark about at the
top of that hill.
They ought to have this race in March as a Boston tune up, it's eerily
reminiscent of the Boston experience.

*Hope to see you this winter.

Probably according to the swim team schedules. I have to get better prepared
in advance of the Woodstock runs this year though.
It think it takes too much out of me without having the proper hill
background before starting. There's a nice hil that's about a third of mile
with 300 feet of climb that I can do loops on near work. I'll try to use
that and the Helderbergs as preparation.

-PR


pithydoug

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Nov 11, 2009, 7:56:24 AM11/11/09
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On Nov 10, 9:16 am, "Parker Race" <noyouc...@noaddress.com> wrote:
> "pithydoug" <dfre...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> news:94e6c12d-3202-4c67...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 10:14 am, "Parker Race" <noyouc...@noaddress.com> wrote:
>


> They changed the course due to construction years ago but it's no easier.
> You still go up State Street but turn back in earlier. It's actually quite
> approriate that you now travel through a cemetery between miles 6 and 7.

many years back when The Kingston Classic used a different course, it
also when by a cemetery. One years I was running with a husband and
wife and apparently they had some disagreement that morning. As we are
going by the rows of stones she says nonchalantly to her better half,
pick your plot you will need it soon. I almost tripped laughing so
hard.


> Probably according to the swim team schedules. I have to get better prepared
> in advance of the Woodstock runs this year though.
> It think it takes too much out of me without having the proper hill
> background before starting. There's a nice hil that's about a third of mile
> with 300 feet of climb that I can do loops on near work. I'll try to use
> that and the Helderbergs as preparation.

I don't know if you ever did the "Race Around Briggs" in Milan(Red
Hook) but the December runs are there. The course is hilly but way
less severe than Woodstock and in the 11 graduating to 13 mile range.
Closer in character to the Ashokan runs and a precursor to Overlook.
And January 3 is the FA 50k where you choose the number of 5k loops
you want to do.

I know it's along drive but sometimes the company provides a spark.

-Doug

dizzy

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:21:38 PM11/11/09
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Charlie Pendejo wrote:

>where I'd like
>the expense spared is in the mandatory tee shirt I have no interest in.

Hehe. Yeah, the shirt collection gets out of hand after a while...

pithydoug

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Nov 12, 2009, 6:17:44 AM11/12/09
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My other half limits me to one drawer in the dresser. The few local
road races that I do, I try try to opt out of the shirt by signing up
race day.

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