Skyrush - the Thigh Killer

[ldnayman]

Rode this one twice, once in the front, once in the back.

It's a good ride that's really intense, especially for something at
Hershey. Sadly, the restraints are terrible. The ride doesn't really
have "airtime," as at the the crest of every hill (in the front), you
are greeted with torturous thigh-killing. The back is better,
especially the first drop where you really feel like you'll fly out,
but intense thigh-mauling is still there.

This ride would be far better if it had Intimidator 305-style
restraints and you could just enjoy the intensity of it without the
sharp pain your quads. Shame really as it's a pretty neat ride
otherwise.

Leaving the ride, you could overhear plenty of people making comments
of this nature.

The "ride the wing" stuff is pretty much a gimmick - it's the same
style of seating that B&M hypers have offered for well over a decade.

[calcajun]

> The "ride the wing" stuff is pretty much a gimmick - it's the same
> style of seating that B&M hypers have offered for well over a decade.

I can't wait to try Skyrush out on a new intamin unique wing rider style seat. I absolutely loved the Wing Rider style seats on Shiekra.

Bet I'll like Skyrush better for it's length, sustained speed, and purposely ruined airtime.

Skyrush looks like a great ground hugging coaster which only adds to the feeling of more speed.

[ldnayman]

On May 29, 9:09 am, calcajun <megaz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > The "ride the wing" stuff is pretty much a gimmick - it's the same
> > style of seating that B&M hypers have offered for well over a decade.
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> I can't wait to try Skyrush out on a new intamin unique wing rider style seat. I absolutely loved the Wing Rider style seats on Shiekra.

They are not at all similar. Shiekra has over the shoulders that
produce no pain and allow for some freedom of movement.

Thighkrush has nothing up top but hard stapled thigh restraints.

[ansley]

This sounds awesome! Another great Intamin coaster with good airtime. I've never heard anyone complain about "thigh crushing" before, that is a GOOD thing. We want to feel like we are being lifted from the train. The only coaster where I felt the thigh force was a little much is Magnum in the 3rd row. Sounds like we have a winner with Skyrush, can't wait to ride! Also, does it have seatbelts and how restrictive are they. Were big people being turned away?

Ted

[ldnayman]

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No seat belts.

Saw no fat people getting the boot. Looks like plenty of room for most
folks. Just prepare to be stapled in.

[Jonathan H]

Ted, I would say this is different from almost every other coaster out there. In fact, the most comparable thing out there I would say is riding Magnum in 1-3 with a completely stapled lap bar. The restraints are unpadded and rest on the thighs rather than the lap, so they are making contact with a vulnerable area. They also tighten down during the ride much like the Intamin over-the-shoulder-restraints. Fortunately, I did at least hear supervisors instructing the crew to start pulling up instead of pushing down on restraints to check them after numerous guest complaints.

The ride is extremely intense. It's one of the most intense rides I've been on. It probably makes my top 10 steel (it's a bit on the short side), but make no mistake, the restraints are an issue. This isn't just coaster nerd talk; I was there yesterday and the majority of riders on the brake run and coming out of the exit were complaining that it was painful. I don't know that anything will be done about the restraints, though. If anything, enough guest complaints and they will crank up the trims to cut down the airtime.

The other issue with this ride is it's insane load and unload procedure. Guests load and unload on the SAME SIDE OF THE STATION. To add to that, there is one exit point at the front of the train, meaning when the ride ends, the gates are not opened until every rider has gotten off the train, retrieved their belongings from these weird rotating storage bins they have installed, then made their way through the logjam to exit at the front of the station. I assume they did this because they had to cram the station and maintenance shed in up against the side of Comet, but it seems really shortsighted. There had to have been another solution.

-Jonathan

[ldnayman]

On May 29, 11:17 am, Steve Burant <sburan...@gmail.com> wrote:

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It's AWESOME

[ansley]

Thanks for the detailed information, much appreciated! I look forward to our visit in late June.
Ted

[GodsOnSafari]

Is there a difference in the way it "feels" on the outer wings vs. a
standard hyper coaster?

[ldnayman]

On May 29, 1:07 pm, GodsOnSafari <godsonsaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
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For me, no. Might as well be on the outside of a row on Nitro.
Certainly nothing like X-Flight.

I didn't see the loading times as particularly poor. The line moved
fast enough for me.

[Surf Dance Chris]

Guests unload on the same side of the station, but the load and unload
area is one and the same? That's amazingly bizarre. Perhaps the exit
walkway/stairs hasn't been completed yet and this is a temporary
solution? I've never seen something like this before, except possibly
on a very small or portable coaster.

[Jonathan H]

It is most definitely not temporary. Due to proximity to the Comet, the maintenance shed is immediately adjacent to the station, so on the opposite side of the platform from the load/unload area, there are doorways leading directly into the maintenance shed. I find it difficult to believe that there was no possible way to place the station and maintenance shed in a way to allow exiting on the opposite side. Fortunately, as was mentioned, the line still moves fairly quickly, but dispatch times are significantly slowed down the by the loading process. When compared to the lower capacity rides across the park like Fahrenheit and Storm Runner, however, it doesn't seem so bad.

[GodsOnSafari]

On May 29, 11:17 am, Steve Burant <sburan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 29, 12:43 am, ldnayman <ldnay...@aol.com> wrote:
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> So what's it like being a pansy?

Is this where we ask about the people that can't stand Voyage? This is
the ying to that yang.

[David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply]

Steve, sorry, but point goes to Alan....



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the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
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[Tammie Paxton]

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Re: Hersheypark (HP) Discussion Thread
by Mossed » Tue May 29, 2012 7:20 pm

imbordisux wrote:
I've only posted once in almost two years, but I do still lurk - I
enjoy reading the various reviews, opinions, discussions, and even
rumors.

That said, I do find Robb's attitude - at least, on this forum, and
especially in this thread - somewhat rude and hypocritical. Going
through the last few days' worth of posts in this thread, it seems
that Robb Alvey is attempting to stereotype anybody that found the
restraints uncomfortable as being a wimp or whiner, not to mention
that he is creating straw-man arguments purporting that riders are
complaining about the air-time instead of the restraints.

Robb Alvey himself has said on a number of occasions that people who
have not ridden a ride should not judge it, as well as that people who
have not ridden a ride should not discount the opinions of those who
have ridden. And yet, you, Robb Alvey, are both judging a ride that
you have not ridden, and are discounting the opinions of those who
have.

My wife and I have been to over twenty amusement-parks, and ridden
some of the most highly-rated and most well-known coasters in the
world: S:ROS (SFNE), I305, Toro, Voyage, Phoenix, Boulderdash, KK,
Cyclone (CI), Boulderdash, Raven. True, we haven't ridden 800 or
whatever rides that you may have, but we've been a good amount of the
"biggies". I also happen to love when a ride beats me up, I WANT the
ride to feel like a bucking bronco or a train that is going off the
rails.

My wife and I rode Skyrush today, and I can tell you - without a doubt
- that it was not only more intense than any other coaster I've ever
been on, but was more intense by quite a large margin. It was
absolutely insane, more wild and intense than I thought a coaster
could ever possibly be. It was the first time I EVER truly felt like I
was going to go flying out of the seat; one poster a few pages back
said that he felt like he was going to be ejected from the seat and
land on the pavement, and I absolutely concur. Skyrush is an amazing
piece of engineering, that truly could be a revolution in coasters. I
have never ridden E:GF, but I do know that it is often compared to
SFNE's S:ROS, and this thing blows S:ROS out of the water in terms of
intensity. Same with I305; this thing is MUCH more intense.

This might sound like hyperbole, but I truly was not ready for the
experience of riding Skyrush - I had an idea in my head that it would
be like some other highly-rated steel coasters, that this would be a
slight improvement over a familiar experience. Not even close. This
really felt like something completely different, like a giant creature
that actively wanted you off it's back, and was doing everything it
could to launch you into the orbit.

Let me put it another way: At first, I thought "Skyrush" was actually
kind of a lame name, considering that 200-feet is, nowadays, somewhat
small. It hardly feels like it was hitting the clouds, you know? After
riding, though? Holy crud, "Skyrush" is the PERFECT name, it actually
feels like it's going to launch you into the sky!

Anyway, yeah, I loved the ride. My wife loved the ride. I found the
hills painful, but was fine as soon as the ride stopped. My wife found
the ride painful, and needed to take a break after riding. Many people
on this board, in this very forum, seasoned "coaster nerds" like us,
had the same experience of finding the ride painful and having to take
a break afterwards. Many members of the GP were complaining about how
much it hurt, and were comparing bruises and indentations. Even some
of the RIDE-OPS that I spoke with today said that they found the ride
too painful to fully enjoy.

And yet, Robb Alvey, you keep saying that we're all wrong. General
consensus, however, says that YOU are wrong. The incredible forces
combined with the poorly-designed restraints have resulted in
uncomfortable - even PAINFUL - rides for many people who have ridden
it, to the point that the ride was not even enjoyable to them. Want
more opinions? Watch some videos of people sitting on the brake-run,
you won't see the usual hootin' and hollerin'; instead, the trains are
oddly quiet, with many riders wearing pained expressions on their
faces. I'd really like to see somebody - maybe Robb Alvey himself -
try to marathon this thing for fifty laps.

Seriously, if this thing had B&M "Clamshell" restraints, it would be
MUCH better.

But, hey, keep on doing the two things you keep telling everybody else
not to do: judging a ride you haven't ridden, and discounting the
opinions of those that have."

[calcajun]

Hi Tammie Paxton,
How ya durrin?
Nice post!
Guess this thread might get flagged for abuse or something. :-)

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[Steve Burant]

Not sure what your point is, Voyage is my #1 coaster overall.

[GodsOnSafari]

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My point is that there's a shit ton of people who don't like Voyage or
complain about it because its "too intense", and this is basically the
same argument. Not necessarily directed at you personally.

[BaSSiStiSt]

On May 30, 1:04 pm, Steve Burant <sburan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure what your point is, Voyage is my #1 coaster overall.

Good to find something we can agree on. :-)

Did you get on Skyrush yet?

[Steve Burant]

Yep, rode it twice on Saturday, phenomenal ride.

[Jonathan H]

I dunno, I think there are two things going here. One is that Skyrush is one of the most intense coasters in the world. That is going to be the case no matter what the restraints are. The airtime is extreme and at least one of the turns, while nowhere near an Intimidator-305 level, started to cause me to grey out. The second issue, though, is the restraints. While Voyage is too intense for some, I haven't heard many people say that it causes them actual pain, but maybe I'm wrong. Most of the comments on Skyrush have more to do with pain caused by the restraints rather than the extreme forces of the ride (though the two are certainly correlated).

You can look at a picture like this (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8023/7299442238_b54e41bc08_b.jpg) and start to see where the problem may be coming from. With the way the lap bar is designed, only the bottom edge of it seems to be making contact with most riders' legs from what I can tell, creating a pressure point. On most lap bars including the other Intamin ones such as El Toro and Bizarro, the contact is spread out over a larger surface area; I can't say I've ever felt any pain on El Toro and that ride has some ridiculous airtime. It seems like some slight tweaking of the Skyrush lap bars in the offseason could improve the experience.

Either way, I will reiterate that despite this I found Skyrush to be an awesome coaster. I can't wait for ERT on it at the ACE event in a month. I can see why plenty of people would not find it worth the pain on the thighs, though. Hopefully Intamin can tweak the trains to be more comfortable for this or for future designs, because aside from the lap bars they have created a train that is transformative for their coasters in my opinion.

-Jonathan

[ldnayman]

On May 30, 4:45 pm, Jonathan H <jonat...@jonathanhawkins.net> wrote:
> I dunno, I think there are two things going here.  One is that Skyrush is one of the most intense coasters in the world.  That is going to be the case no matter what the restraints are.  The airtime is extreme and at least one of the turns, while nowhere near an Intimidator-305 level, started to cause me to grey out.  The second issue, though, is the restraints.  While Voyage is too intense for some, I haven't heard many people say that it causes them actual pain, but maybe I'm wrong.  Most of the comments on Skyrush have more to do with pain caused by the restraints rather than the extreme forces of the ride (though the two are certainly correlated).
>

Yep, this was the case for me.

I've blacked out on 305. I didn't have any kinds of similar issues on
this thing. It's painful because of the restraints, not the force of
the ride. I happily reported my experiences to guest services. Many
others will as well and it wouldn't surprise me if this coaster is
altered in the future.

It'll rule. Great ride, poorly-designed restraints. Seems an easy fix
to me.

[ride...@gmail.com]

I went to Hershey today and rode Skyrush 6 times all wing seats and once in the front.The restraints caused me a lot of pain too.I heard many people saying the same thing.Loved the ride, hated the restraints.Without the restraints this could be my favorite hyper coaster.If the park changes anything it's the restraints and the ride itself.

[calcajun]

Whats the difference. people complain old rickety coasters hurt them, now they complain new coasters hurt them. People complain coasters are whimpy the last decade , now the new ones are too intense. Well that's what we got.

Personally I love most any coaster. I also love voyage. Maybe I am an intense person.

Love that pic too!

But what you gonna do. This argument will continue constantly on either side of the scale. Unless of course someone designs and builds the perfect Roller Coaster. :-)

[tyl...@gmail.com]

I invite you to ride a Zyklon Loop with OTSRs until you understand the difference between an intense ride and terrible restraints.

[Surf Dance Chris]

On Jun 3, 10:09 am, tyl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I invite you to ride a Zyklon Loop with OTSRs until you understand the difference between an intense ride and terrible restraints.

I agree!

[Dave Althoff Jr.]

Surf Dance Chris <surfd...@aol.com> wrote:
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> area is one and the same? That's amazingly bizarre. Perhaps the exit
> walkway/stairs hasn't been completed yet and this is a temporary
> solution? I've never seen something like this before, except possibly
> on a very small or portable coaster.

It seems to be the "in" thing to do in 2012, as that's how Wild Eagle
and presumably X-Flight handle loading and unloading. I don't think
this is temporary on Skyrush; when I talked to Someone Who Knows on the
day before they topped the thing off, he told me I'd probably hate the
capacity on the thing because of the lack of unloading space.

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[Dave Althoff Jr.]

tyl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I invite you to ride a Zyklon Loop with OTSRs until you understand the
> difference between an intense ride and terrible restraints.

Hell, ride a non-looping Zyklon with shoulder bars and you'll appreciate
it even more. I actually didn't have that much trouble with the ZL-42's
on RCS and A of A and at Oaks Park. But for some reason when I rode the
A of A machine at Beech Bend...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

[Jonathan H]

On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:43:37 AM UTC-4, ldnayman wrote:
> Rode this one twice, once in the front, once in the back.
>
> It's a good ride that's really intense, especially for something at
> Hershey. Sadly, the restraints are terrible. The ride doesn't really
> have "airtime," as at the the crest of every hill (in the front), you
> are greeted with torturous thigh-killing. The back is better,
> especially the first drop where you really feel like you'll fly out,
> but intense thigh-mauling is still there.
>
> This ride would be far better if it had Intimidator 305-style
> restraints and you could just enjoy the intensity of it without the
> sharp pain your quads. Shame really as it's a pretty neat ride
> otherwise.
>
> Leaving the ride, you could overhear plenty of people making comments
> of this nature.
>
> The "ride the wing" stuff is pretty much a gimmick - it's the same
> style of seating that B&M hypers have offered for well over a decade.

Finally got around to writing up my thoughts on Skyrush: http://jonathanhawkins.net/hersheypark2012.php

-Jonathan

[ldnayman]

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Excellent review of the Thighkrush, it's exactly how I felt about it -
with the exception of "top 10 coaster." Nothing with such awful
restrains and a painful ride would make it into my top 10. Once they
fix it, I could see that happening.

[ansley]

That seems a bit immature and childish to not rate an incredible coaster, that you may deem too intense, as a top coaster. Almost all of my top 5 rides are on the extreme side, and I can't always ride them a lot, but they still are the best coasters out there! I don't rate a coaster high because it is "re-ridable" because it is probably just boring... Just because you can't ride it does not make it a great coaster! Last time I rode Voyage I could only ride it about 6-7 times, but is clearly still the best coaster I've ever ridden and more than deserving to be my number 1. The things that make it hard to ride, like the extreme airtime and laterals, are EXACTLY why it is #1. Sounds like Skyrush clearly falls into this category as well.

[ldnayman]

On Jun 6, 2:18 pm, ansley <ans...@usa.com> wrote:
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> That seems a bit immature and childish to not rate an incredible coaster, that you may deem too intense, as a top coaster.

You are insane dude.

I'm not rating coasters for *you*, I'm rating them for me.

The question is, can I think of 10 steel coasters I would rather ride
than Thighkrush? Yes, I can, easily.

Am I seriously obligated to rank coasters higher than I want to? What
would your justification be for that?

Thighkrush is ruined by it's restraints. That's my opinion, which I'm
of course entitled to.

[GodsOnSafari]

>
> That seems a bit immature and childish to not rate an incredible coaster, that you may deem too intense, as a top coaster.

How did you rate Flight of Fear opening year, Ted? Was Texas Cyclone
still a top tenner after the coffin cars?

[Rastus O'Ginga]

Exactly. Some folks don't want a ride that is extremely aggressive,
and painful. That's why Voyage is NOT my top woodie. Intamin seems
to be going off in left field a bit with the negative g's. El Toro is
good, becuase it does other stuff. BUt T-Express' second half is a
series of painful negative g hills. It's be tons better if some of
the hills were floaters instead.

I was really looking towards hitting Hershey this summer, since I'm
moveing much closer to it, but reports now are a bit concerning.
Sounds like maybe it can be improved with a restraint fix, but maybe
not totally fixed. I can even see me riding Apollo's Chariott more
than Intimidator 305 this year. Intimidator is phenomenal, but I
can't go there on a slow fall Sunday and ride it for 2 hours.
Although, maybe it would be awesome in cold weather, cold enough to
know just a bit of speed off of it.

Yeah, I'm gettin' old, but I was never a fan of greying out, or having
bruises on my thighs. I though Legend was tremendously over-rated in
its early years too.


-RO

[ldnayman]

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I like Intimidator (more than Thighkrush as the restraints are better)
but I do NOT enjoy blacking out on that first turn, which has happened
to me twice.

Apollo's Chariot I could ride all day. It's maginificent, comfortable,
and fast with tons of PAINLESS and enjoyable air.

[ldnayman]

One note about Thighkrush - I found the back to be MUCH better than
the front. In the back, the thighkrushing crests of each hill are much
less agressive. Still wasn't the most comfortable thing in the world
but I didn't HATE it like the front seat ride. From now on all my
rides on it will be in the last couple of rows.

[David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply]

While I usually agree with you, Ted, I'll disagree with you here.

Not in specifics, since I haven't ridden it yet. Not have you.

But in general theory.

When you rank your top coasters. You rank YOUR favorite coasters. If a
coasters causes you intense pain -- for whatever reason - and that pain
causes you to enjoy it less (or not at all), then it's not going to be one
of YOUR favorite coasters, right?

How is this really any different from ranking Vekoma coasters low just
because of the extreme head-banging onto their badly designed restraints?

Yet, there seems to be some kind of consensus among enthusiasts that
they're pretty bad. They've ranked in the bottom 40 or so of Mitch's poll
for the last five years. Surely, the design itself is not less fun than
the tons of kiddie coasters and mine trains that it follows on the list. In
fact, I think the design itself is quite creative. It's the building and
the restraints that are crap!

Or how is it any different from ranking a woodie lower because it hasn't
got the maintenance, and that has caused roughness that took away from your
enjoyment?


Personally, I ranked Intimidator 305 quite a bit lower than I would have,
because the restraints (when I rode it) HURT and took a good amount of fun
out of the ride. Sorry, but that's how I feel.

And I initially ranked El Toro quite a bit lower than I rank it now,
because I only got rides where I was VERY stapled, which caused me much
more pain than it should have. When I got some looser rides on it, I
enjoyed it more, and as such, it went up in my rankings. It's still lower
than it probably deserves. But I'm not going to rank a ride as better than
*I* experienced it out of sympathy. I'm going to rank them based on my
personal enjoyment.

And there are literally dozens of woodies that would rank higher on my
lists if they were better maintained.

That seems fair, don't you think?

If Skyrush's restraints are causing people genuine pain, and if that pain
takes away from the enjoyment of the ride, then they should rank it lower
on their lists.

[ansley]

Simple. Becasue, they are better coasters. I too can't ride some of my favorites, or best rides that much, but they are still clearly better coasters. Yes, I can ride a lesser ride more, and maybe enjoy it, but it doesn't get the blood pumping and the adrenaline going like a truly great coaster. You are missing the point. The truly great coasters are not made for the masses, they are made for the extremists, that's why they are great. You won't seen bungie jumpers rating an 80 foot bungie jump with lesser forces as the best would you?

[ansley]

Yes, there is a fine line between bad design and a great coaster. Most people agree that some of the Arrow and Vekoma coasters are bad, but it is more in the design with poor track design (bad transitions) or bad train design. Most of these coasters are not very great without major changes to the trains, or a few changes to the track. However, coasters like Voyage, and most likely Skyrush, are wonderful designs which give great rides. Some people complain about the "pain". Some do not. They truly seem to be by all counts, great coasters, but the train designs might not be quite able to handle the forces. Still, IMHO, that doesn't detract from a great coaster. As well, when I was young and in better shape, I NEVER found a coaster that I counldn't ride and enjoy...with maybe 2 or 3 exceptions.

There are plenty of coasters that I've had a hard time riding over the years, but they are still some of the BEST coasters out there. Some of those were the Riverside Cyclone, CI Cyclone, even some as mentioned above like OL:FOF. I think it is a great coaster, I always rode FoF, even with the horsecollars because I really enjoyed it and figured out how to ride it with mimimal headbanging. I do think it is a very good design and a fun ride. Not at the top of my list, but yes, I did ride it every visit to KI or KD. This was obviously a bigger problem then most coasters, and most of the Premier launched coasters received the new restraints! That was a good move.

If I have two coasters which I consider about equal I most definitely look at other factors like trains or restraints to break a tie or I may ride a more re-rideable coaster more because I can. That's common sense. That still doesn't always make it a "better" coaster, just one I may ride more. I try not to put personal prejudice into the ranking of my coasters, just like I don't rank a coaster less because it is in a park I don't like or has poor operatons. I rank it on its merits alone, or the ride itself. Along that line though, if Skyrush's restraints limit airtime I will probably rank it lower, but not because of pain in my legs due to extreme airtime. I thought the 3rd row on Magnum was extremely uncomfortable on my legs during some of the ERT sessions I've had on it, but I don't rank it lower because of that. I just choose another row, or another coaster, if I can't handle it. I actaully prefer the 2nd row on Magnum for that reason. It is still a great coaster.

Also, some trains just lessen a good design, not because of roughness all the time, but sometimes for other reasons too. Like Morgan trains on wood coasters, never liked them, they just hamper a good ride with poor seats and lap bars...BUT, a ride like Riverside Cyclone was STILL a great coaster with them just as Skyrush seems to be despite the lap bars. Plus, IMHO, if a train or lap bar was so bad, then nobody would ride it. If millions of people ride a coaster every year then there must be no serious problem with it.

I understand if you might want to ride a tame coaster more, but IMHO that doesn't mean the tame coaster is better, nor should be ranked higher. That's my take on it.

An example... I've met many long time old school ACE'rs who just never ranked GA Cylcone high, because of some of the following reasons: 1. Don't like the seatbacks on the train. 2. Operations 2. trim brakes. 4. too rough 5. too much for him/her to handle...and more reasons. However, in its prime it was clearly a top 10 wood coaster, maybe even top 5 for a time...and continued to be great one for years. Most of them would ride it once or twice but all I heard were complaints about one of the above. Yeah, it's very good they would say they don't like because of X reason. Usually, nothing to do with the actual great ride it gave. When I first rode GA Cyclone in the 90's it immediately went to near the top of my list. Was it hard to ride... yes! Did it have trim brakes at some point...yes! Did opeations suck at times...yes! Can it be rough....yes, but mostly in a great airtime type of way! However, I came off that ride with a smile or "holy shit" type ride most of the time, and I loved it! Could I ride it over and over, probably not. However, that does not make it not as good as something like GASM across the park because "I" can ride it over and over.

I guess I rank coasters on what is the "best", but not what is my "favorite" to ride on any given day. Phoenix is a very good coaster, I LOVE riding it. Everything about the experience is fun, but IMHO it is not near the best wood coaster hence it will most likely never be in my top ten. Yes, I give it higher ranking because of good lap bars...to a point, but is still clearly in my mind no where near the best. To me, a coaster like Voyage, Boulderdash, Ravine
Flyer, Hades and even Ghostrider (last time I rode it in '06) is clearly better as are many others...

[GodsOnSafari]

> There are plenty of coasters that I've had a hard time riding over the years, but they are still some of the BEST coasters out there.  Some of those were the Riverside Cyclone, CI Cyclone, even some as mentioned above like OL:FOF.  I think it is a great coaster, I always rode FoF, even with the horsecollars because I really enjoyed it and figured out how to ride it with mimimal headbanging.  I do think it is a very good design and a fun ride.  Not at the top of my list, but yes, I did ride it every visit to KI or KD. This was obviously a bigger problem then most coasters, and most of the Premier launched coasters received the new restraints!  That was a good move.
>

Ted, we all love you, you're a great guy, but you're also the guy the
Ansley Hill is named after. ;)

Look, you just rifled off a bunch of rides that, in general, people
fucking hated the restraints for. People hate the CI Cyclone's giant
overly padded lapbars. People DESPISED the Morgan trains on the
Riverside Cyclone and demanded PTCs to be put back on it for years. As
for FOF: well, those rides were assault and battery with a OTSR. Its
nice that you were willing to undergo a beating to "learn how to ride
them", but I preferred keeping some brain cells until lap bars were
put in.

>I try not to put personal prejudice into the ranking of my coasters, just like I don't rank a coaster less because it is in a park I don't like or has poor operatons.

OK, that's fine, but if your park runs like shit its gonna be
difficult to keep the same mindset of fun getting on the coaster after
an unnecessary 90 minute - 2 hour wait that it would be if it was
being run competently. I'm sure you're aware of that. It's good lip
service but basically impossible.

> Also, some trains just lessen a good design, not because of roughness all the time, but sometimes for other reasons too.  Like Morgan trains on wood coasters, never liked them, they just hamper a good ride with poor seats and lap bars...BUT, a ride like Riverside Cyclone was STILL a great coaster with them just as Skyrush seems to be despite the lap bars.  Plus, IMHO, if a train or lap bar was so bad, then nobody would ride it.  If millions of people ride a coaster every year then there must be no serious problem with it.
>

I'm sure Mean Streak will break a million riders this year as it has
most years. Aside from the fact that it has failed miserably at being
an anchor for its section of the park, absorbs practically no one in
the park in its queue (as there is never one for the ride) and costs
an enormous sum of money for maintenance and upkeep because of its
size, I'd say there might be some serious problems with it. Probably
related to the fact that most of its life, it has been astoundingly
rough and borderline unrideable. I know, it isn't a forceful coaster,
but you can apply that same reasoning to the Riverside Cyclone after
the park was flagged, got new coasters, and had a huge shift in
clientele.

> An example...  I've met many long time old school ACE'rs who just never ranked GA Cylcone high, because of some of the following reasons:  1. Don't like the seatbacks on the train. 2. Operations   2. trim brakes.  4. too rough  5. too much for him/her to handle...and more reasons.

People are allowed to rank on whatever basis they choose, Ted. There
is no objective criteria. Maybe they thought the trim brakes broke up
the momentum/pacing of the coaster? Maybe it really was too rough when
they went on? I know it sure as hell was too rough 3 seasons ago to
justify being put anywhere near a reasonably well traveled top 10.
Maybe I don't understand the objective Ansley criteria for wood
coaster ranking though - perhaps you have a informational pamphlet?

[ldnayman]

I just don't understand the concept that we are supposed to rank
coasters higher than we feel they should be ranked because
uhhh...ummm...well I just don't really get it.

It's quite simple - you either like a ride or you don't. And I wasn't
terribly fond of the Thighkrush.

[Newtrek5]

Rode Skyrush yesterday and I have to say, it is amazing. Major ejector
airtime on every hill and it really doesn't let up. Didn't really get
the whole crushed leg thing, but I did hear other comments about the
lap bars being "tight". Despite it's flaws, this is easily my #1 steel
coaster!

[ldnayman]

Here's the thing though...and I'm serious about this...how can you say
it has "ejector air" when your ass doesn't actually leave the seat
because you are stapled in? Or was this not the case for you? Did you
actually get real air?

For me, the crest of each hill was just an introduction to stinging
thigh pain. Certainly the potential for mega air was there, but in
practice I wasn't getting any. It was physically impossible due to the
restraints.

In the back seat, I DID get some air on the first hill I was almost
pulled out of my seat, even with the crazy tight restraints.

[Newtrek5]

Yesterday they were asking people if the restraints were comfortable
before moving on to the next row. Maybe because of the complaints, or
maybe I got lucky. I rode 3 times and each time they asked. My butt
was out of the seat or plastered to it the whole time.

[Flare]

On Thursday, June 7, 2012 12:59:43 PM UTC-4, ldnayman wrote:
> On Jun 7, 10:59 am, Newtrek5 <bussbo...@msn.com> wrote:
> > Rode Skyrush yesterday and I have to say, it is amazing. Major ejector
> > airtime on every hill and it really doesn't let up. Didn't really get
> > the whole crushed leg thing, but I did hear other comments about the
> > lap bars being "tight". Despite it's flaws, this is easily my #1 steel
> > coaster!
>
>
> Here's the thing though...and I'm serious about this...how can you say
> it has "ejector air" when your ass doesn't actually leave the seat
> because you are stapled in? Or was this not the case for you? Did you
> actually get real air?

Airtime has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than the physical forces any give ride generates. Restraints, in not part whatsoever, changes that fact. Voyage, El Toro (etc) produce ejector air regardless of whether you have breathing room or are stapled in the seat. Your logic would indicate a ride delivers airtime, depending on the restraint, as opposed to the laws of physics.

> For me, the crest of each hill was just an introduction to stinging
> thigh pain. Certainly the potential for mega air was there, but in
> practice I wasn't getting any. It was physically impossible due to the
> restraints.

If you weren't getting any airtime, you wouldn't be incessantly whining in this thread about how painful the restraint was. Or am I missing something?

> In the back seat, I DID get some air on the first hill I was almost
> pulled out of my seat, even with the crazy tight restraints.

This makes no sense to me, but congratulations! :)

[ldnayman]

On Jun 7, 4:18 pm, Flare <coast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you weren't getting any airtime, you wouldn't be incessantly whining in this thread about how painful the restraint was. Or am I missing something?

Yes. You are missing a command of the English language. Let me try
again.

Airtime = being in the air. Leaving your seat.

Skyrush = NOT being in the air, because the restraints make it
physically impossible to GET any airtime, as you are painfully stapled
in.

[Jeremy]

So you are implying that airtime is not equivalent to negative g-forces, but rather they are completely different concepts? If so, what do you call it when you get up out of your seat at the end of the ride?

[BaSSiStiSt]

On Jun 7, 1:46 pm, Jeremy <jkthompso...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So you are implying that airtime is not equivalent to negative g-forces, but rather they are completely different concepts? If so, what do you call it when you get up out of your seat at the end of the ride?

Watch this, I'm gonna get crazy airtime out of my office chair...no
restraints!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Andrew Brawley]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:15:24 -0700 (PDT), BaSSiStiSt <bassis...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Watch this, I'm gonna get crazy airtime out of my office chair...no
>restraints!
>
>WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Boy. You ain't right!

[ldnayman]

On Jun 7, 1:46 pm, Jeremy <jkthompso...@gmail.com> wrote:

Airtime = being in the air. Leaving your seat. I will concede that
this is DURING the ride. After the ride, it's "leaving the ride time."

Skyrush = NOT being in the air, because the restraints make it
physically impossible to GET any airtime, as you are painfully stapled

in. This does not apply for "leaving the ride" time, as the ride is no
longer moving and the restraints are no longer engaged.

You can continue to ask me the same question and I'll continue to give
you the same answer. I like floating out of my seat during a ride. I
do not like being pinned in my seat and unable to float. I don't know
why anybody would consider that "airtime" or consider it enjoyable.

If I'm not in the air, I don't consider it airtime.

Please refer to this post, or my last one, if you need further
explanation.

[Newtrek5]

That may be your definition, but negative gs effect more than your
just your ass. When I think of airtime, I think of my entire body
being thrown upward, as if the ride is trying to eject you. Also, I
have to say this. For a ride you don't like much, you sure spend a lot
of time talking about it. You sure there isn't some other agenda here?
Just asking. :)

[ldnayman]

On Jun 7, 8:55 pm, Newtrek5 <bussbo...@msn.com> wrote:
You sure there isn't some other agenda here?
> Just asking.  :)

You got me.

I'm actually the majority shareholder in Six Flags and I'm simply
trying to reduce admissions to Hershey.

[Newtrek5]

That would at least be a reason. Your whine-fest ( on multiple sites
no less) is unlike
anything I've seen with a new coaster in a long time. This coaster
isn't your cup of tea. We get it.

[tyl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, June 8, 2012 1:40:15 PM UTC-4, Newtrek5 wrote:

> That would at least be a reason. Your whine-fest ( on multiple sites
> no less) is unlike
> anything I've seen with a new coaster in a long time. This coaster
> isn't your cup of tea. We get it.

The only thing worse than a whiner, is someone who whines about a whiner.

[ldnayman]

I don't think you do get it. Therefore, I'll repeat my complaints.

The restraints are painful, and prohibit actual airtime.

NOW do you get it?

Why do you anti-bitchers care so much about bitching, anyway?

I don't get it.

[Newtrek5]

Even worse is someone who comes out of nowhere just to whine about
people whining about whiners. Now shut the fuck up.

[Newtrek5]

First good point you've made in the entire thread. And you are dead
right. No one should care. :)

[ldnayman]

No, the whine whiners are worse than the whiner whiner whiners.

Seriously...does a rollercoaster have fucking feelings? Do you idiots
feel sorry for it when someone complains about one?

I seriously don't get it. Why do you people get such a bug in your ass
just because someone has some complaints about a coaster you haven't
even ridden yet?

Educate me, coaster lord.

[David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:40:15 -0700 (PDT), Newtrek5 <buss...@msn.com>
wrote:

But here's the thing. If he was the only one whining about it, that would
be one thing. But there are a LOT of people complaining about the pain on
the ride, particularly among the GP.

this point has come up from a variety of people across all of the coaster
forums on the net. And everyone says that a they're hearing a lot of
people complaining about it in the park and in the station, as they get
off.

If the park is actually asking people about it, then even they know it's a
problem.

[Jonathan H]

FYI, Lance posted this on Screamscape today. Sounds like good news potentially:

"(6/11/12) According to a reader who visited Hersheypark, they too found the restraints on SkyRush a little painful on the legs. After the ride, they spoke with park reps about it and were told that Hersheypark had investigated the restraint system used on I305, but have decided to stick with a lapbar system. However… they also claimed that an Intamin rep had been out at the park over the past week to check on the ride and look into this issue, as they do not want to trim the ride’s speed. From what I’m led to understand, they believe that the lap bars can be adjusted to solve the problem, so lets look for this to happen later on this season."

[nyjets]

[ldnayman]

On Jun 11, 2:32 pm, Jonathan H <jonat...@jonathanhawkins.net> wrote:
> FYI, Lance posted this on Screamscape today.  Sounds like good news potentially:
>
> "(6/11/12) According to a reader who visited Hersheypark, they too found the restraints on SkyRush a little painful on the legs. After the ride, they spoke with park reps about it and were told that Hersheypark had investigated the restraint system used on I305, but have decided to stick with a lapbar system. However… they also claimed that an Intamin rep had been out at the park over the past week to check on the ride and look into this issue, as they do not want to trim the ride’s speed. From what I’m led to understand, they believe that the lap bars can be adjusted to solve the problem, so lets look for this to happen later on this season."

I am very happy to hear this. Clearly my campaign of intimidation and
harrassment has been a success.

Just making the lap bar longer - so that it rests on your lap as well
as your thighs, would fix this situation.

[Surf Dance Chris]

All this SkyRush debate has really made me bummed that I was one week
too early on my visit to Hersheypark, if nothing else, just to see
what has caused such debate.

[ldnayman]

I find it interesting that it wasn't really a "debate" at first...it
was just a half-dozen or so people who had actually ridden it- like
me- complaining, and every other coaster nerd on the planet and
internet heaping abuse on us for being too "pussy" to enjoy an
obviously kickass ride.

Now that it's been open for a few weeks, and more of these assholes
have actually had a chance to experience the thigh-mauling demon known
as the Thighkrush, it has become an actual debate.

Which is nice.

[sbur...@gmail.com]

I think we've established that the OP pees sitting down.

[ldnayman]

On Jun 13, 3:30 pm, sburan...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think we've established that the OP pees sitting down.

Correct.

But I crap standing up.

[ansley]

I think y

I think your numbers are a bit off. I'd say that half the reviews I've read of Skyrush, most of theme on Theme Park review, indicate no discomfort at all, or just a little. Yes, probably half have indicated various levels of discomfort but I don't think the only ones "debating" this were people who haven't ridden it. There are plenty of people who have ridden it that said it was fine.

[David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:42:34 -0700 (PDT), ansley <ans...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>I think your numbers are a bit off. I'd say that half the reviews I've read of Skyrush, most of theme on Theme Park review, indicate no discomfort at all, or just a little. Yes, probably half have indicated various levels of discomfort but I don't think the only ones "debating" this were people who haven't ridden it. There are plenty of people who have ridden it that said it was fine.

Ted, you aren't really looking to the Intamin fanboys on TPR for an
unbiased review of a new Intamin ride?

They said the same thing about the horrible original restraints on I-305.
And if those were so good, then why did the park change them as immediately
as possible?

Not to single out any group, but every group has their biases.

[skiguy777]

>
> Not to single out any group, but every group has their biases.
>

The TPR people would be delayed in their reaction because no one wants to say anything negative, for fear of being blasted by Rob or other admins. This is exactly what happened to me over to CFB. Jeff took exception to anything negative I said in terms of new rides. You'll get a "wait and see" attitude from admins until the entire pack agrees on something.

Now is when the entire group will agree the restraints suck, especially since a site like Screamscape is reporting about it. That means it's not one person being a pussy, but an entire group with the same view point.

The TPR group will still be told to keep it down, so that Rob can keep any chance of ERT at the park. Right now is when Jeff would normally close the topics saying it's already been discussed. When in fact, the discussion is just beginning with people talking about the solution.

[ansley]

I do get the TPR thing, very true about the *group* mentality over there. What was changed on the I 305 restraints? I rode it the first season, and I know it got some reprofiling on the off season. I rode it in June 2010 and didn't notice any problem with the restraints, what was changed and when?

Ted

[David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply]

It's not so much of a group mentality there, it's a group mentality
everywhere. If everyone you know raves about a certain kind of ride, then
you'll go into it with certain expectations. You're more likely to see the
good and ignore the bad. That certainly was true here on RRC in the heyday
of CCI, particularly with Shivering Timbers. With ACE, it's usually
classic woodies. With TPR, it happens to be Intamin coasters everyone
drools over!


As for I305, did you miss all that drama? When in June did you ride,
because that's when they changed the restraints? If it was early, then you
caught the crappy old ones, as I did. If it was later, then you caught the
replacements, which were much softer. I rarely complain about headbanging
restraints, but those were really bad. It dropped the coaster down on my
list well over a dozen notches from where it probably would have been,
because it hurt my enjoyment of the ride that much. I spent the whole ride
trying to brace myself from being hurt, rather than just enjoying the ride.

The original restraints were horrible for that coaster. They were the same
ones on Kingda Ka, I believe. Rectangular iron bars, with a touch of
padding on it. And I stress a touch. Look at how much lower Ka ranks than
Dragster on Mitch's poll (65 vs 33) and the Golden Ticket Awards's (33 vs
9) despite being taller and faster, to see how much those horrible
restraints hurt that coaster in the rankings. And that's on a coaster with
only two directional changes, unlike I305, which has lots of sudden
directional changes. Admittedly, there's a certain level of Cedar Point
fanboy bias there in both polls (particularly the GTA's), but that still
doesn't account for such a big discrepancy, which would almost have to be
because of the restraints.

I'm not usually one to complain about headbanging, but I found that they
REALLY hurt that ride. In fact, I said so when I ran into a park manager
later in the day, who pointedly asked me what I thought of the ride. I
told him how good it was, but that they really needed to change the lapbars
to get it to be a top 10 ride. He told me that the restraints they got
were NOT what they had been promised and strongly implied that a change was
in the works, which happened a week or two later.

But on TPR (and other sites as well), people were making fun of many of the
people who complained about the horrible restraints. But if they weren't a
problem, then the park obviously wouldn't have spent the money to change
them so soon after opening the ride.

It was also probably really hurting their onride photo sales, since there
was a major head-bang right before the onride photo, which meant that most
of the people were giving looks of pain in the pictures, which isn't
exactly what people would want to buy! It was actually entertaining to
look at the onride photos as you got off, to see who looked like they were
in the most pain. Not likely what they were hoping for! When you buy an
onride photo, you generally want to look like you were actually having fun!


That said, I can't comment on Skyrush's restraints, since I haven't ridden
it.

[Wolf]

"Surf Dance Chris" <surfd...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0587991f-03c7-43f6...@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...

> All this SkyRush debate has really made me bummed that I was one week
> too early on my visit to Hersheypark, if nothing else, just to see
> what has caused such debate.

It was less a debate and more one incessant whiner with nothing else of
value to contribute.

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-Wolf

[ldnayman]

I would like to a fresh complaint!

This one goes in the "Such an awful meal...and such small portions!!!"
file...

Skyrush seems to break down. A lot. And when it breaks down it goes
down for hours.

I suppose this is to be expected as it's a new ride. But I cannot pass
up an opportunity to whine about the Skyrush.

Surprisingly, the LOOPER has been closed for long periods of time in
the 2 visits I've had there since it reopened. I think it was closed
most of the day today from about 2pm on. I'd guess it's having some
growing pains with the new trains...and someone told me there were new
magnetic brakes on it also maybe those are taking some getting used
to.

In happier news for you coaster fans, great coasters like Stormrunner,
the woodies, and Great Bear continue to run rock solid and like
clockwork at Hershey Park. It was very crowded today but lines weren't
horrible as many were hitting the waterpark or just walking around
with chocolate in their hands.

In other Looper related news, as a friend of mine predicted, Skyrush
and all the work in the hollow has dramatically changed the dynamics
of Comet Hollow. Today I waited in a line for the Looper exceeding 15
minutes. I've never previously waited for than 1 minute.

Also, the Comet seems to have SHORTER lines than it's ever had - about
10 minutes on a crowded Sunday at 1pm. Maybe the looper and Skyrush
are spreading some of the old Comet traffic around - in the past I've
always seen that one slammed until early evening.

[ldnayman]

One more note...

Comet has a nice new headchopper (on the right side of the train)
after the first couple of hills thanks to the Skyrush. Noticed it last
time but forgot about it...it's cool. Feels like your forehead is
about to get impaled on shingle.

[Surf Dance Chris]

I agree! That may be the best headchopper effect I've seen on any
coaster ever. Took me by surprise. I wonder if it was planned that way.

[David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply]

Actually, there have been plenty of people complaining on all of the sites.
Along with the GP, supposedly

Admittedly, he seems obsessed with the issue, as if complaining on here
over and over again will actually change anything.

[ldnayman]

On Jun 18, 10:12 am, "David H.--REMOVE \"STOPSPAM\" to reply"
<davidhhhSTOPS...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:50:47 -0400, "Wolf" <bill.buss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >"Surf Dance Chris" <surfdan...@aol.com> wrote in message

> >news:0587991f-03c7-43f6...@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> >> All this SkyRush debate has really made me bummed that I was one week
> >> too early on my visit to Hersheypark, if nothing else, just to see
> >> what has caused such debate.
>
> >It was less a debate and more one incessant whiner with nothing else of
> >value to contribute.
>
> Actually, there have been plenty of people complaining on all of the sites.
> Along with the GP, supposedly
>
> Admittedly, he seems obsessed with the issue, as if complaining on here
> over and over again will actually change anything.

Nah, we've actually just moved on to the "he's just doing it because
it obviously annoys some uptight coaster nerds" phase of the
complaining. I'm happy to report it's going well.

And hey, this is the most life this newsgroup has seen in about 10
years so it should be considered a public service.

[Jonathan H]

Well, everyone on this board I imagine will be very pleased to know that Hersheypark has replaced the restraint padding on one of the two Skyrush trains with padding that is identical in shape, but much softer and more forgiving. It's not perfect, but it is a significant improvement, and improves the experience drastically. I'm sure they will put them on the other train soon.

-Jonathan

[Surf Dance Chris]

On Jul 1, 12:23 pm, Jonathan H <jonat...@jonathanhawkins.net> wrote:
> Well, everyone on this board I imagine will be very pleased to know that Hersheypark has replaced the restraint padding on one of the two Skyrush trains with padding that is identical in shape, but much softer and more forgiving.  It's not perfect, but it is a significant improvement, and improves the experience drastically.  I'm sure they will put them on the other train soon.
>
> -Jonathan

Sounds like good news!

[David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply]

Well, I think this proves that the restraints WERE a problem. After all,
the park wouldn't spend the money to replace them if they weren't, right?

Can I take a second to compliment both Hersheypark and Kings Dominion for
taking the time and spending the money to listen to their guests complaints
and for altering the restraints on their new Intamin coasters so quickly
after they opened!

[ldnayman]

Clearly, my opening weekend ThighKrush whinings have been vindicated,
and the feeling of victory and of redemption is glorious.

Better still will be riding this thing with improved restraints.
Looking forward to it.

Clearly, this is the most influential thread here this entire year. We
succeeded, fellow coaster fans, in winning change!!!

It's a gorgeous thing. Thanks for the support everyone!

[David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply]

Yes, the park reps do sometimes read the forums, but it wasn't just you and
a couple of people on here that were complaining about it. It was people
all across the net. And, to be honest, I doubt that many park reps ever
check here any more, except on an occasional basis.

And more importantly, it was park guests who were complaining about the
ride. The park even ran their own survey of their guests.

So, I doubt that anyone on here had any actual affect on their decision.

Not that it matters. As long as the park did the right thing, that's really
all that matters.

[ldnayman]

On Jul 5, 3:26 pm, "David H.--REMOVE \"STOPSPAM\" to reply"
<davidhhhSTOPS...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:45:17 -0700 (PDT), ldnayman <ldnay...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Clearly, my opening weekend ThighKrush whinings have been vindicated,
> >and the feeling of victory and of redemption is glorious.
>
> >Better still will be riding this thing with improved restraints.
> >Looking forward to it.
>
> >Clearly, this is the most influential thread here this entire year. We
> >succeeded, fellow coaster fans, in winning change!!!
>
> >It's a gorgeous thing. Thanks for the support everyone!
>
> Yes, the park reps do sometimes read the forums, but it wasn't just you and
> a couple of people on here that were complaining about it.  It was people
> all across the net.  And, to be honest, I doubt that many park reps ever
> check here any more, except on an occasional basis.
>
> And more importantly, it was park guests who were complaining about the
> ride.  The park even ran their own survey of their guests.
>
> So, I doubt that anyone on here had any actual affect on their decision.
>
> Not that it matters. As long as the park did the right thing, that's really
> all that matters.
>

I was joking abou that shit.

Still, I took an awful lot of abuse here, and during my brief stay at
the insufferable themeparkreview forum, for simply voicing my opinion
on a ride that virtually nobody else had ridden yet. Just ungraciously
and obnoxiously doling out some "I told you so."

[ansley]

Remember for a park to change a ride, they only need like 10% complaints from riders. 10% is a pretty high number when it comes to people who have discomfort on a ride, heck it might have been 20%. Most all rides receive complaints, but usually the numbers are low. But if you were in the theme park business and 10-20% of your customers coming off a brand new ride are complaining then you'd change it. That in no way "vindicates" you or dismiss's the opinion of anyone else. The fact is that the majority of people riding Skyrush seem to love it and have not complained about excess pain or discomfort. Your attitude is what has turned people off, not the fact that the coaster hurt your thighs. You are not the only one that has had thigh pain, but you are the most obnoxious of the people who have had thigh pain.

[ldnayman]

I was right, you were wrong, I'm gonna sing the "I'm right song," la
la la la la.....