Amtrak List of Trains by # (LOOONG) (fwd)
Peter Laws
2) Does not include Thanksgiving Week Extras (aka Railfan Glory Days 8-) ).
3) Days of Service are similiar to VIA Rail: 1 is Monday, x67 = no
weekend service.
4) Portland OR is PDX *not* DPX as listed in current Timetable.
5) Also available in comma delimited ascii
6) Waht's the deal with the Fast Mail? Who wants to go from BOS to SPG
at 1 am anyhow?
|Train #
| |Train Name
| | |Origination
| | | |Destination
| | | | |Days of Service
| | | | | |Notes
| | | | | |
1 Sunset Ltd. NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
2 Sunset Ltd. LAX NOL 257 Splits from 22 SAS
3 Southwest Chief CHI LAX All Via KCY
4 Southwest Chief LAX CHI All Via KCY
5 California Zephyr CHI OAK All Drops 25 DEN, 35 SLC
6 California Zephyr OAK CHI All Picks up 36 SLC, 26 DEN
7 Empire Builder CHI SEA All Drops 27 SPK
8 Empire Builder SEA CHI All Picks up 28 SPK
11 Coast Starlight SEA LAX All
12 Fast Mail WAS BOS All Splits from 412 NHV
13 Fast Mail BOS SPG All
14 Coast Starlight LAX SEA All
19 Crescent NYP NOL All Splits from 519 BHM
20 Crescent NOL NYP All Comb w/520 BHM
21 Texas Eagle CHI SAS All Comb w/1 SAS 247, Splits fr 521 DAL
22 Texas Eagle SAS CHI All Splits fr 2 SAS 247, Comb w/522 DAL
25 Pioneer CHI SEA All Splits from 5 DEN
26 Pioneer SEA CHI All Comb w/6 DEN
27 Empire Builder CHI PDX All Splits from 7 SPK
28 Empire Builder PDX CHI All Comb w/8 SPK
29 Capitol Ltd. WAS CHI All Thru Coach from 92-MIA
30 Capitol Ltd. CHI WAS All Thru Coach to 91-MIA
35 Desert Wind CHI LAX All Splits from 5 SLC
36 Desert Wind LAX CHI All Comb w/6 SLC
40 Broadway Ltd. CHI NYP All
41 Broadway Ltd. NYP CHI All
42 Pennsylvanian PGH NYP x7
43 Pennsylvanian NYP PGH All
44 Pennsylvanian PGH NYP 7
48 Lake Shore Ltd. CHI NYP All Splits from 448 ALB
49 Lake Shore Ltd. NYP CHI All Comb w/449 ALB
50 Cardinal CHI NYP 246
51 Cardinal NYP CHI 357
52 Auto Train SFA LOR All
53 Auto Train LOR SFA All
58 City of New Orleans NOL CHI All Splits from 358 CDL
59 City of New Orleans CHI NOL All Comb w/359 CDL
60 Montrealer WAS MTR All Via NLC
61 Montrealer MTR WAS All
63 Maple Leaf NYP TWO All
64 Maple Leaf TWO NYP All
66 Night Owl WAS BOS All Drops 866 NYP
67 Night Owl BOS WAS All Picks up 867 NYP
68 Adirondack MTR NYP x7
69 Adirondack NYP MTR All
70 Adirondack MTR NYP 7
79 Carolinian NYP CLT All
80 Carolinian CLT NYP All
81 Silver Star NYP TPA All Splits from 91 KIS, Via RGH
82 Silver Star TPA NYP All Comb w/92 KIS, Via RGH
85 Virginian NYP RVR All
86 Virginian RVR NYP All
87 Silver Meteor NYP TPA All Splits from 97 JAX, Via CHS
88 Silver Meteor TPA NYP All Comb w/98 JAX, Via CHS
89 Palmetto NYP JAX All
90 Palmetto JAX NYP All
91 Silver Star NYP MIA All Splits from 81 KIS, Via RGH
92 Silver Star MIA NYP All Comb w/82 KIS, Via RGH
93 Tidewater WAS NPN 5
94 Old Dominion NPN NYP All
95 Old Dominion NYP NPN All
96 Tidewater NPN NYP All
97 Silver Meteor NYP MIA All Splits from 87 JAX, Via CHS
98 Silver Meteor MIA NYP All Comb w/88, Via CHS
100 Metroliner WAS NYP x67
101 Metroliner NYP WAS x67
102 Metroliner WAS NYP x67
103 Metroliner NYP WAS x67
104 Metroliner WAS NYP x7
105 Metroliner NYP WAS 6
106 Metroliner WAS NYP All
107 Metroliner NYP WAS All
108 Metroliner WAS NYP x7
109 Metroliner NYP WAS x67
110 Metroliner WAS NYP x67
111 Metroliner NYP WAS x67
112 Metroliner WAS NYP x6
113 Metroliner NYP WAS x67
114 Metroliner WAS NYP x67
115 Metroliner NYP WAS x67
116 Metroliner WAS NYP x6
117 Metroliner NYP WAS x6
118 Metroliner WAS NYP x6
119 Metroliner NYP WAS x6
120 Metroliner WAS NYP All
121 Metroliner NYP WAS x6
123 Metroliner NYP WAS x6
124 Metroliner WAS NYP x6
125 Metroliner NYP WAS All
126 Metroliner WAS NYP x6
127 Metroliner NYP WAS x6
134 First State WAS NYP 1 Longer 626
135 Potomac NYP WAS 67
139 Capitol Hill Express NYP WAS 5 Nonstop NYP-BAL
141 Bankers SPG WAS All Equip from #13?
142 Bankers WAS SPG All
151 New England Express BOS NYP x67
153 New England Express BOS NYP 6 Nonstop PVD-NHV
154 New England Express NYP BOS All Nonstop NHV-PVD
155 New England Express BOS NYP All Nonstop PVD-NHV
156 New England Express NYP BOS x6 Nonstop NHV-PVD
157 New England Express BOS NYP 7
161 Fairfield NHV NYP x67 Sec. of 205
162 Fairfield NYP BOS x6 Same as 222?
167 Narragansett BOS WAS 67 Comb w/467 NHV
169 Mayflower BOS WAS All Comb w/469 NHV
170 Yankee Clipper WAS BOS All Splits from 470 NHV
171 Minuteman BOS WAS All Comb w/471 NHV
172 Patriot WAS BOS All Splits from 472 NHV
173 Yankee Clipper BOS WAS All Comb w/473 NHV
174 Mayflower WAS BOS All Splits from 474 NHV
175 Patriot BOS WAS All Comb w/475 NHV
176 Senator WAS BOS All Splits from 476 NHV
177 Senator BOS WAS All Comb w/477 NHV
178 Merchant's Ltd. WAS BOS All
179 Merchant's Ltd. BOS WAS x67 Comb w/479 NHV
180 Independence WAS NYP All
181 Congressional NYP WAS All
182 New Yorker WAS NYP All
183 Chesapeake NYP WAS All
184 Chesapeake WAS NYP 7
187 Independence NYP WAS All
188 Congressional WAS NYP All
189 Embassy NYP WAS 7
190 Benjamin Franklin PHL BOS x67 Splits from 490 NHV
193 Benjamin Franklin BOS PHL All
198 Benjamin Franklin PHL BOS 67 Splits from 498 NHV
200 Metroliner WAS NYP x67
201 Metroliner NYP WAS x67
202 Express Metroliner WAS NYP x67 Nonstop NCR-NYP
203 Express Metroliner NYP WAS x67
205 Metroliner NHV WAS x67 Sec. of 161
220 Express Metroliner WAS NYP x67
222 Metroliner WAS BOS x6 Dischg psgr only past NHV
223 Express Metroliner NYP WAS x67 Nonstop NYP-BAL
242 Hudson Highlander ALB NYP All
243 Bear Mountain NYP ALB x67
246 Storm King SDY NYP x67
247 Spuyten Duyvil NYP ALB 6
248 Bear Mountain ALB NYP x7
250 Electric City Express SDY NYP 7 short 280
255 Washington Irving NYP SDY x67
256 Palisades ALB NYP 457
259 Palisades NYP ALB 457
262 Knickerbocker ALB NYP 457
264 Henrik Hudson ALB NYP 2347
265 Catskill NYP ALB x7
268 Catskill ALB NYP 7 short 68
271 Patroon NYP ALB All
277 Sleepy Hollow NYP ALB 67
280 Mohawk SYR NYP x7
283 Niagara Rainbow NYP NFL All
284 Niagara Rainbow NFL NYP All
285 Mohawk NYP SYR 123
286 Empire State Express NFL NYP 156
287 Empire State Express NYP NFL 4567
288 Water Level Express NFL NYP 7
289 Mohawk NYP SYR 457
300 State House STL CHI x67
302 State House STL CHI 67
303 Ann Rutledge CHI KCY All
304 Ann Rutledge KCY CHI All
305 State House CHI STL All
311 Loop CHI SPI x7
312 Loop SPI CHI x7
317 Hoosier State IND CHI All
318 Hoosier State CHI IND All
330 Hiawatha MKE CHI x7
331 Hiawatha CHI MKE x7
332 Hiawatha MKE CHI All
333 Hiawatha CHI MKE All
334 Hiawatha MKE CHI All
335 Hiawatha CHI MKE All
336 Hiawatha MKE CHI All
337 Hiawatha CHI MKE All
338 Hiawatha MKE CHI All
339 Hiawatha CHI MKE All
340 Hiawatha MKE CHI All
341 Hiawatha CHI MKE All
342 Hiawatha MKE CHI All
343 Hiawatha CHI MKE All
346 Illinois Zephyr WCY CHI 7
347 Illinois Zephyr CHI WCY All
348 Illinois Zephyr WCY CHI x7
350 Wolverine CHI DET x7
351 Wolverine DET CHI All
352 Lake Cities CHI TOL All
353 Lake Cities TOL CHI All
354 Twilight Ltd. CHI DET All
355 Twilight Ltd. DET CHI All
356 Wolverine CHI DET 7
358 River Cities NOL KCY All Splits from 58 CDL aka KC Mule
359 River Cities KCY NOL All Comb w/59 CDL aka St.Louis Mule
364 International CHI TWO x7
365 International TWO CHI x7
366 International CHI TWO 7
367 International TWO CHI 7
370 Pere Marquette CHI GRR All
371 Pere Marquette GRR CHI x7
373 Pere Marquette GRR CHI 7
391 Illini CHI CDL All
392 Illini CDL CHI All
412 Fast Mail WAS SPG All Splits from 12 NHV
448 Lake Shore Ltd. CHI BOS All Splits from 48 ALB
449 Lake Shore Ltd. BOS CHI All Comb w/49 ALB
467 Narragansett SPG WAS 67 Comb w/167 NHV
469 Connecticut Yankee BOS WAS All Comb w/169 NHV
470 Connecticut Yankee WAS BOS All Splits from 170 NHV, Via SPG
471 Minuteman SPG WAS All Comb w/171 NHV
472 Patriot WAS SPG All Splits from 172 NHV
473 Yankee Clipper SPG WAS All Comb w/173 NHV
474 Mayflower WAS SPG All Splits from 174 NHV
475 Patriot SPG WAS All Comb w/175 NHV
476 Bay State WAS BOS All Splits from 176 NHV, Via SPG
477 Bay State BOS WAS All Comb w/177 NHV, Via SPG
479 Merchant's Ltd. SPG WAS x67 Comb w/179 NHV
490 Benjamin Franklin PHL SPG x67 Splits from 190 NHV
498 Benjamin Franklin PHL SPG 67 Splits from 198 NHV
519 Gulf Breeze NYP MOE All Splits from 19 BHM
520 Gulf Breeze MOE NYP All Comb w/20 BHM
521 Texas Eagle CHI HOS All Splits from 21 DAL
522 Texas Eagle HOS CHI All Comb w/22 DAL
568 San Diegan LAX SAN x67
569 San Diegan SNC LAX x67 Orange Co. Commuter
570 San Diegan LAX SAN All
571 San Diegan SAN LAX x67
572 San Diegan LAX SAN All
575 San Diegan SAN LAX All
576 San Diegan LAX SAN All
577 San Diegan SAN LAX All
578 San Diegan LAX SAN All
579 San Diegan SAN LAX All
580 San Diegan LAX SAN All
581 San Diegan SAN LAX All
582 San Diegan LAX SNC x67 Orange Co. Commuter
585 San Diegan SAN LAX All
586 San Diegan LAX SAN All
587 San Diegan SAN LAX All
590 San Diegan LAX SAN 67
591 San Diegan SAN LAX 67
600 Keystone HAR PHL x67
601 Keystone PHL HAR x67
602 Keystone HAR PHL x67
603 Keystone PHL HAR x67
606 Keystone HAR PHL x67
609 Keystone PHL HAR All
612 Keystone HAR PHL All
614 Keystone HAR PHL 7
615 Keystone PHL HAR x67
616 Keystone HAR PHL x7
617 Keystone PHL HAR x7
618 Keystone HAR PHL x6
619 Keystone PHL HAR x67
620 Clocker PHL NYP x67
621 Keystone PHL HAR 57
623 Clocker NYP PHL x67
624 Clocker PHL NYP x67
626 Clocker WIL NYP x17
627 Clocker NYP PHL x67
628 Clocker PHL NYP x67
629 Clocker NYP PHL x67
633 Clocker NYP PHL x6
639 Clocker NYP PHL 6
640 Keystone State Express HAR NYP x67
641 Keystone State Express NYP HAR x67
642 Big Apple HAR NYP 67
645 Susquehanna NYP HAR 67
653 Atlantic City Express SPG ACY All
654 Atlantic City Express ACY SPG All
661 Atlantic City Express WAS ACY All
662 Atlantic City Express ACY WAS x6
663 Atlantic City Express RVR ACY x67
664 Atlantic City Express ACY RVR x67
665 Atlantic City Express WAS ACY x6
666 Atlantic City Express ACY WAS 6
682 Atlantic City Express ACY PHL 6
685 Atlantic City Express PHL ACY 6
693 Atlantic City Express HAR ACY 67
696 Atlantic City Express ACY HAR 67
702 San Joaquin OAK BFD All
703 San Joaquin BFD OAK All
704 San Joaquin OAK BFD All
705 San Joaquin BFD OAK All
708 San Joaquin OAK BFD All
709 San Joaquin BFD OAK All
710 San Joaquin OAK BFD All
711 San Joaquin BFD OAK All
721 Capitol RSV SJC All
722 Capitol SJC SAC All
723 Capitol SAC SJC All
724 Capitol SJC SAC All
725 Capitol SAC SJC All
726 Capitol SJC RSV All
773 San Diegan SAN SBA All
774 San Diegan SBA SAN All
783 San Diegan SAN SBA All
784 San Diegan SBA SAN All
796 Mount Rainier PDX SEA All
797 Mount Rainier SEA PDX All
866 Executive Sleeper WAS NYP All Dropped by 66 NYP
867 Executive Sleeper NYP WAS All Picked up by 67 NYP
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Tor Lillqvist
1) Taken from _Amtrak System Train Timetables_, valid through 4/3/93.
1 Sunset Ltd. NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
^^^ ^^^
Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several airports,
none of which presumably are as conveniently located as the railway
station(s)?
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).
Jon Roma
>In article <Pine.3.05.9211151...@uafhp.uark.edu> pl...@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws) writes:
> 1) Taken from _Amtrak System Train Timetables_, valid through 4/3/93.
>
> 1 Sunset Ltd. NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
>Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
>stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
>with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several airports,
>none of which presumably are as conveniently located as the railway
>station(s)?
The appearance to airport codes is merely coincidental. Amtrak has its own
system of three-letter codes. While some of these are the same as various
cities' airport codes, other are not. Amtrak's scheme tends to be more
mnemonic than the codes used by the airlines.
For example, Chicago-O'Hare airport is ORD; Amtrak's Chicago designation is
the more-logical CHI. New Orleans' airport is MSY; Amtrak uses NOL. My
home town of Champaign, Illinois is known to the airlines as CMI but to
Amtrak as CHM.
--
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Computing and Communications Services Office,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Internet: ro...@uiuc.edu UUCP: uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!roma
Thor Lancelot Simon
> 2) Does not include Thanksgiving Week Extras (aka Railfan Glory Days 8-) ).
> 3) Days of Service are similiar to VIA Rail: 1 is Monday, x67 = no
>weekend service.
> 4) Portland OR is PDX *not* DPX as listed in current Timetable.
> 5) Also available in comma delimited ascii
> 6) Waht's the deal with the Fast Mail? Who wants to go from BOS to SPG
^^^^
>at 1 am anyhow?
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Otto-Ville Ronkainen
>Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
>stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
>with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several airports,
>none of which presumably are as conveniently located as the railway
>station(s)?
Convenience to the passenger? (And probably the assumption that there
is an airport in every town that still has a railroad station.)
And isn't a bit confusing to guess whether to use LPP, Lr or Lpr for
the same town (in this case, Lappeenranta, Finland)?
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Terry Fry
> 1) Taken from _Amtrak System Train Timetables_, valid through 4/3/93.
>
> 1 Sunset Ltd. NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
> ^^^ ^^^
>
>Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
>stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
>with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several airports,
>none of which presumably are as conveniently located as the railway
>station(s)?
You have a valid question, but the answer makes sense (err, sorta).
It has to do with Travel agency Automations systems, Amtrak, and the huge
reservation computer systems that were under development at the time
Amtrak started. Both were going though a major overhaul, it was decided
to reduce confusion for Travel Agencies (which book though a res system
that "connects" to Amtraks computers. (For SABRE its **AMK)
Utilizing a single set of codes reduced confusion & obviously made
programmers much happier.
It hasn't become the standard that was envisioned, but for people who
travel its become a defacto-standard.
Charley Wingate
>Utilizing a single set of codes reduced confusion & obviously made
>programmers much happier.
In the case of Balto., the trains do need some codes of their own. BWI has
a rail station served by Amtrak, but the principal Balto. station is Penn
station in the city.
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+ but strife closed in the sod.
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tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."
Dik T. Winter
> In article <TML.92No...@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi> t...@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist) writes:
> >In article <Pine.3.05.9211151...@uafhp.uark.edu> pl...@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws) writes:
> > 1) Taken from _Amtrak System Train Timetables_, valid through 4/3/93.
> > 1 Sunset Ltd. NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
> >stations?
>
>
what? I know that LAX is Los Angelos, but what is NOL? New Orleans? Or
what? Can somebody provide a translation of the codes used?
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Evan L. Werkema
In a previous article, d...@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) says:
>In article <BxuBs...@access.digex.com> terr...@access.digex.com (Terry Fry) writes:
> > In article <TML.92No...@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi> t...@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist) writes:
> > >In article <Pine.3.05.9211151...@uafhp.uark.edu> pl...@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws) writes:
> > > 1) Taken from _Amtrak System Train Timetables_, valid through 4/3/93.
> > > 1 Sunset Ltd. NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
> > >Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
> > >stations?
> >
> > You have a valid question, but the answer makes sense (err, sorta).
> >
>So now we have the answer. I have still one question left: which code means
>what? I know that LAX is Los Angelos, but what is NOL? New Orleans? Or
>what? Can somebody provide a translation of the codes used?
The Sunset does terminate at New Orleans. NOL is probably short for the
local pronounciation, "Nollins." :)
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Bill Gripp
> 1) Taken from _Amtrak System Train Timetables_, valid through 4/3/93.
>
> 1 Sunset Ltd. NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
> ^^^ ^^^
>
>Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
>stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
>with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several airports,
>none of which presumably are as conveniently located as the railway
>station(s)?
I don't know where Amtrak came up with it's abreviations, but is it
possible that some were adopted from the roads over which Amtrak
opperates? Could it be that the RR's used LAX first?
ne...@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
> 1) Taken from _Amtrak System Train Timetables_, valid through 4/3/93.
>
> 1 Sunset Ltd. NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
> ^^^ ^^^
>
>Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
>stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
>with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several airports,
>none of which presumably are as conveniently located as the railway
>station(s)?
>--
and usually make no sense at all. For example, Toronto (Malton)
is YYZ, and Montreal (Dorval) is YUL.
Fortunately, VIA Rail does not use these codes. It has its own system
of 4-letter abbreviations. E.g. Halifax (HLFX), Truro (TRUR),
Moncton (MCTN), Saint John, New Brunswick (SJNB), Montreal (MTRL).
These are mainly for internal use, and would not normally be seen
by the travelling public. A passenger booked in a sleeping car on
the Chaleur going from St. Lambert to Gaspe would appear as SLAMGASP.
Tom Box
CZ...@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
jcj
>Peter Laws writes:
>
> 1 Sunset Ltd. NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
> ^^^ ^^^
>
>Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
>stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
>with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several
I noticed Chicago is designated as "CHI" instead of "ORD" for O'Hare
International (which I believe came from Orchard Field but that's
a different group...).
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Terry Fry
No.... that's a airline code. Amtrak has its own subset of codes,
but they had started out trying to use the airline systems codes.
Its now even more confusing.
Otto-Ville Ronkainen
>I noticed Chicago is designated as "CHI" instead of "ORD" for O'Hare
>International (which I believe came from Orchard Field but that's
>a different group...).
Cities with several airports have an abbreviation for each individual
airport and one for the city in airline schedules/ticketing. Eg. New
York City (NYC): Kennedy (JFK), LaGuardia (LGA), Newark (EWR)...
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Nigel Allen
>t...@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist) writes:
>
>>Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
>>stations? Isn't that both stupid, as trains are supposed to compete
>>with airplanes, and misleading, as many cities have several airports,
>>none of which presumably are as conveniently located as the railway
>>station(s)?
>
>The appearance to airport codes is merely coincidental. Amtrak has its own
>system of three-letter codes. While some of these are the same as various
>cities' airport codes, other are not. Amtrak's scheme tends to be more
>mnemonic than the codes used by the airlines.
>
VIA Rail Canada uses four-letter codes. For example, Toronto Union Station
is (I think) TRTO. Tickets show where the reservation was booked and where
the ticket was issued with the station name followed by RV or SV.
I think Reservia, VIA's reservation system, was written by Air Canada.
Air Canada was originally (in its Trans-Canada Airlines days) owned by
Canadian National Railways. The Air Canada credit card (now the En Route
card, recently sold to Diners Club, I think) used to be the Air Canada - CN
credit card.
Most of CN's non-rail activities have either been closed down, sold off
or taken over directly by the federal government or by new government-owned
companies ("crown corporations"). So the former CN Marine (ferry service
in Atlantic Canada) is now a separate company called Marine Atlantic, for
example.
Air Canada became a separate crown corporation several years before it was
privatized.
In any event, Canadian airport codes normally begin with the letter Y
(some begin with Z), and codes like YUL for Montreal-Dorval aren't
very mnemonic. (Besides, VIA has a Dorval station in addition to its
Montreal Central station, so which station would be YUL if VIA were to
use airline codes for its stations?)
Jan Vaessen
>So now we have the answer. I have still one question left: which code means
>what? I know that LAX is Los Angelos, but what is NOL? New Orleans? Or
>what? Can somebody provide a translation of the codes used?
>
timetable overview with a 'normal' AMTRAK timetable. As far as I know, no new
trains have been added, so an old one will do also.
If you don't have an AMTRAK timetable yet, you can get them in the
Netherlands through the INCENTO travel angency in Bussum (I don't have
the adress, but they must be in the phone book).
>
>dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland
>home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: d...@cwi.nl
greetings,
Jan Vaessen
Eindhoven University of Technology
Eindhoven, the Netherlands
Pei-Lin Hsieh
thick or so, I think.
Calvin Henry-Cotnam
>Where did you get the TT for entire nation? It should be 1-inch
>thick or so, I think.
No offence, but you have a lot to learn about Canada -- or more specifically,
our wonderful government. :-)
I just checked my copy of the VIA Rail National Timetable from last spring
(effictive April 26), it is printed like a magazine 8" by 10".
Its last numbered page is 46! And the numbering begins with the front
cover (the inside of the front cover is page 2!), so I guess counting the
inside and outside of the back cover, it is 48 pages.
Added to this, I can count only 24 pages with actual schedules on them,
most use the whole page, more or less. Of the 24, about a total of
three pages involve connecting services that are not VIA rail.
(Amtrak, Ontario Northland, and Algoma Central)
The rest of the timetable is additional information, rules and regulations,
seating diagrams, and pretty pictures.
Our wonderful government has really cut our service to the bone.
What's more, a recent royal commission has released its recommendations
regarding transportation in this country. They state that the time for
subsidized transportation is over and that a total pay-as-you-go system
should be moved towards.
Fine. But if this were to really happen:
1) All major highways would become toll.
2) All airports would have to be built and maintained
by airlines; existing ones would have to be purchased
by them. --> costs picked up by the traveller
3) Railway fares would also go up.
But, the most economical way to travel would be rail.
The problem is, knowing our government, they would just slash money
for the railways (CN and VIA are crown corporations and therefore are
subsidized).
Figures. Enough political ranting and raving, at least for here. :-)
Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE | "...My brain IBM"
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute | "So if you see me, acting stangely..."
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Nicholas Russon
>
>The rest of the timetable is additional information, rules and regulations,
>seating diagrams, and pretty pictures.
I'd certainly not want this information dropped out of what's left
of the TT!
>Our wonderful government has really cut our service to the bone.
^^^^^^^^^
Notation for the sarcasm impaired among the readership: Calvin is
not actually a fan of the current Canadian government. ;-)
>What's more, a recent royal commission has released its recommendations
>regarding transportation in this country. They state that the time for
>subsidized transportation is over and that a total pay-as-you-go system
>should be moved towards.
>
>Fine. But if this were to really happen:
> 1) All major highways would become toll.
The technology is certainly there, and the Ontario government is
rumoured to be looking into the on-the-fly toll system. I'd be horrified
if they went ahead with their current plan, though: billing you for your
road use at license renewal time (one year's worth of road tolls due on
your birthday: many happy returns, indeed!)
> 2) All airports would have to be built and maintained
> by airlines; existing ones would have to be purchased
> by them. --> costs picked up by the traveller
The feds just announced that Toronto Airport's remaining two government
run terminals are to be privatized. Can the airport itself be far behind?
> 3) Railway fares would also go up.
Not necessarily ... If VIA were free to plan for serving only profitable
routes, it could probably manage on current fares. (I'm not suggesting
it will happen, but ...)
>The problem is, knowing our government, they would just slash money
>for the railways (CN and VIA are crown corporations and therefore are
>subsidized).
Insert the word "heavily" between "are" and "subsidized" in the last
sentence. Even CP Rail has had more than its fair share of government
help over the last century or so. Face it, Canadian railways would
be radically different organizations if the governments (at all levels)
could keep a hands-off attitude to travel.
Railways are stigmatized by several generations of bad press (much of it
deserved) and ham-fisted regulation. If the crown corporations were
set free tomorrow, they'd sink rapidly: they are not adapted to life in
the marketplace without government backing.
I'm all in favour of moving toward a free market in transportation, but
I've gotten very cynical over the last few years, and I don't expect
much change (at least, not positive change). I'd like to be proven wrong.
Regards,
Nicholas
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Calvin Henry-Cotnam
> c...@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam) writes:
>>
>>The rest of the timetable is additional information, rules and regulations,
>>seating diagrams, and pretty pictures.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'd certainly not want this information dropped out of what's left
>of the TT!
Neither would I, but in order to give an accurate description of just
how small the timetabling information is, it was necessary to point out.
The original poster had thought that the TT for an entire nation could
be almost 1" thick in pages -- this is not the case in Canada.
>>Our wonderful government has really cut our service to the bone.
> ^^^^^^^^^
>Notation for the sarcasm impaired among the readership: Calvin is
>not actually a fan of the current Canadian government. ;-)
All other issues aside, can anyone reading this newsgroup honestly
state that they would be pleased with a government that did the following?
Get elected because of promises, one of which was to restore passenger
rail service cut by the previous government. After elected, they DID
come through with this promise, only to cut the same services, plus others
a couple of years later.
>Face it, Canadian railways would
>be radically different organizations if the governments (at all levels)
>could keep a hands-off attitude to travel.
Absolutely true. The problem is, that any subsidization that the
railways receive is tangable in the eyes of the tax payer. ie, it is
a definate dollar figure that is part of a government budget.
The airlines, bus companies, and trucking companies do not receive any
such tangable dollar contribution (Canadian Airlines Int'l not counted
as they are only getting a "loan guaranty" which is not a cash subsidy
unless they go under -- a lot like student loans!). But dollar for
dollar, they receive *more* subsidies than the railways when one considers
that they don't have to maintain their right-of-ways, or their terminal
facilities, etc.