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Oklahoma Joe

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Dec 30, 2005, 11:40:34 AM12/30/05
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Tim Abbott is a Vietnam veteran who lives in the
Southwestern
Virginia town of Hillsville, a conservative,
blue-collar community that
tends to vote Republican and bleed red, white and
blue.

But, like an increasing number of veterans,
Abbott is fed up with
President George W. Bush.

"Bush talks a lot about freedom, courage,
transparent government and
the rule of law. He talks," Abbott says. "His
speeches are carefully
choreographed before audiences of his faithful --
often Christian
fundamentalists or, to paraphrase
Bush,"Christian-fascists"-- and they
must sign loyalty oaths to Bush. He speaks before
audience after
audience of soldiers and sailors who cannot speak
except as directed
by the White House."

Normally, such comments would be risky in a
mountain town where
Patriotism rules supreme but Abbott expressed his
views this week in
an op ed article for The Roanoke Times and found
many people
agreeing with him.

"When I think of Bush, I do not think of liberty
and courage,
compassion and justice. No, I think of arrogance,
greed and lies,"
Abbott wrote. "He is a thug, a buffoon and a
coward. Not only is he
incompetent, he is corrupt."

In normal times, these would be fighting words
and Abbott would do
well to avoid lunch at the Hillsville Diner, the
Main Street eatery where
the locals gather to discuss politics. But George
W. Bush's times are
not normal times and Abbott is greeted warmly on
the streets of
Hillsville.

"In his Mission Accomplished foray, (Bush) wore a
military uniform,
something no president has done since Washington,
and Washington
only wore the uniform to quell a rebellion,"
Abbott says. "Around the
world he has replaced the Soviet Gulag with the
Bush Gulag, where
men may be tortured."

Abbott's comments come when this web site
revealed that the
Pentagon has ordered soldiers home from Iraq for
holiday leave to
give pro-war interviews to their hometown
newspapers and television
station. This does not surprise a veteran who
learned about military
duplicity in Vietnam.

"Others before whom he speaks may ask no
questions. He runs from
journalists, as we have seen in China, even on
those rare occasions
that he speaks before them," Abbott says of Bush.
"Even worse, he
has paid journalists to say good things about him
and his policies. He
also produces propaganda from government offices
that he offers as
news reports. And any protests against his
policies are diverted well
away from his sight and hearing."

In recent weeks, I've spoken with dozens of vets
of Vietnam, Desert
Storm and the present invasion of Iraq and most
speak with anger
towards Bush and his policies.

Soldiers serve under a code of honor, something
they say Bush lacks.

"Bush is of a kind with the dictators; a
strutting, sanctimonious buffoon
who talks democracy but acts like Saddam
Hussein," Abbott says.
"Bush might differ in degree from Hussein, not
having been in power as
long, but in behavior, with torture and the
corruption of government,
they are of a kind.

"While al-Qaida is an enemy of the values and
principles of the United
States and Western civilization and must be
confronted, it can do no
more than kill people and destroy property.

"Bush can subvert our principles and
institutions. He is the greater
enemy."

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dxAce

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Oklahomo Joe wrote:

Nope, it's 'tard boys such as yourself who are the enemy.

LMFAO yet again at the stupid Liberal.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


RHF

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Oklahoma Joe - "Christian-fascists"

OK Joe - More Democrat Party of the USA Anti-Christian "Hate Speech"
from another so called 'enlightened' Liberal.

Oklahoma Joe - "When I think of Bush, I do not think of liberty and


courage, compassion and justice. No, I think of arrogance, greed

and lies," - "He is a thug, a buffoon and a coward. Not only is he
incompetent, he is corrupt."

OK Joe - More Democrat Party of the USA Anti-Bush "Bush Bashing"
simply Liberal Lies and Left-Wing Distortions aka 'the-new-truth'

Gee - Another Democrat Party of the USA Sock-Puppet Posting
an Off-Topic Political Message to a Shortwave Radio NewsGroup.

Wow - I Am All Excited - Howard Dean's "Scream It To The People"
Daily Talking Points from the DNC {Democrat National Communtern}

OK Joe - Thank You for Putting an (OT) :
at the start of the Subject Line.
.
.
. .
.

RHF

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Dec 30, 2005, 1:21:38 PM12/30/05
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Oklahoma Joe - "Christian-fascists"

OK Joe - More Democrat Party of the USA Anti-Christian "Hate Speech"
from another so called 'enlightened' Liberal.

Oklahoma Joe - "When I think of Bush, I do not think of liberty and


courage, compassion and justice. No, I think of arrogance, greed

and lies," - "He is a thug, a buffoon and a coward. Not only is he
incompetent, he is corrupt."

OK Joe - More Democrat Party of the USA Anti-Bush "Bush Bashing"

Telamon

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Dec 30, 2005, 9:44:31 PM12/30/05
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In article <1135966898....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Oklahoma Joe - "Christian-fascists"

< Snip >

Don't bother responding to his posts as he can't even figure out the
right news group to post them in.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

clifto

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Dec 31, 2005, 3:55:45 PM12/31/05
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Telamon wrote:
> Don't bother responding to his posts as he can't even figure out the
> right news group to post them in.

They don't carry alt.communists.extreme.karl-marx-was-a-running-dog-capitalist
on my server.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

RHF

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Dec 31, 2005, 10:00:27 PM12/31/05
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Telamon,

The Liberal Political Cadre of the Democrat Party of the USA
originate and post their Of-Topic Political Hit Pieces here on
the RRS Newsgroup and many others.

These Liberal Political Cadres of the New Socialist World :
Generally have some Propaganda HeadLine {Subject Line}
that they want - repeated, Repeated and REPEATED :
Anti-Bush / Anti-USA / Anti-American / Anti-Christian

# 1. To Not Respond is to Concede the Political Debate to them
so that they feel free to post unchecked and unchallenged like
the little red-guard what-to-bees that each of them is...

# 2. To Not Respond is to Concede the RRS NewsGroup to them as
"Their Place" to Shove-It-In-Your-Face an Liberal Political Message
of Lies and Distortions - The Vicious Verbal Act of a Political Bully
and to suffer the Intimidation of the Left-Wing Radicals.

# 3. Act of Freedom-and-Truth Number One - Change the HeadLine
{Subject Line} to Reflect the Truth About America as You-See-It :
+ Stand-Up for America and Our USA Government
+ Stand-Up for Our Troops and the War-on-Terror
+ Stand-Up for Your Fellow American Citizens and Their Rights
+ Stand-Up for Christianity and Persons-of-Faith

# 4. Act of Freedom-and-Truth Number Two - Present the Facts
{Message Text} to Reflect the All American Truths as You-See-It :
+ Defend America and Our USA Government
+ Defend Our Troops and the War-on-Terror
+ Defend Your Fellow American Citizens and Their Rights
+ Defend Christianity and Persons-of-Faith

# 5. Act of Freedom-and-Truth Number Three - Promote the Good
and Positive Things that Make America Great as You-See-It :
+ How Good America and Our USA Government is...
+ The Good Job Our Troops are doing in the War-on-Terror
+ How Wonderful Freedoms and Rights of Your Fellow
American Citizens are...
+ The Natural Goodness of Christians and Persons-of-Faith

The Propaganda War for the Hearts and Minds of the American People
is being Fought Everyday in Every Forum by the Democrat Party of the
USA; and they alias the Liberal Elitist in the Mass Media; and their
what-to-be Political Cadre right here in the RRS NewsGroup.

Telamon - It-Is-The-American-Way - Each of Us Needs-to-Be a
Citizen Soldier of America in the Fight for of Freedom-and-Truth !

Concede Nothing To The Liberals :
- Fight For Your American Freedoms and Rights
To Be Who You Are :
- Be Happy To Be An American !
- Be Honored To Stand-Up For America !
- Be Proud To Say : I Am An American !
- Be Rejoiceful In Your Personal Beliefs and Faith !
God {Allah} Bless America and All Americans - Amen.


so... as I say - so do i do ~ RHF

Telamon

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Jan 1, 2006, 5:21:26 PM1/1/06
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In article <1136084427.0...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Telamon,
>
> The Liberal Political Cadre of the Democrat Party of the USA
> originate and post their Of-Topic Political Hit Pieces here on the
> RRS Newsgroup and many others.

< Snip >

I do not have a problem with the occasional political comment but the
day after day long diatribes in the wrong news group shows antisocial
behavior in the least and mental instability at most and nether
attribute will cause them to be read in most cases. This is clearly
self-defeating behavior. This together with the abject lunacy of their
posts relegates them into the bit bucket.

I can't fathom the reason they post here as they demonstrate their lack
of interest in the hobby by their lack of on topic posts.

The best thing to do is not pay any attention to them.

If you and a few others did not respond to them I would not know they
were still posting in the news group. The number of these posts would
decline and more people that are off put by the flaming off topic
content would post instead of just lurking. These posts would mostly be
on topic.

You have to recognize the fact that your exchange with them causes a
decline in on topic posts. Further by responding to them you cause on
topic threads to get muddled by responding to them.

You have to understand that there is a cost associated with recognizing
and responding to nut cases on a continual basis. You legitimize their
off topic posting by responding to them. You show or demonstrate to
them that their postings have value by taking the time to respond. Even
just a insult in response encourages them. Long responses give them
huge justification so stop responding to them and they will leave for a
place where they get a response.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Brian Denley

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Jan 2, 2006, 10:08:24 PM1/2/06
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RHF wrote:
> Telamon,
>
> The Liberal Political Cadre of the Democrat Party of the USA
> originate and post their Of-Topic Political Hit Pieces here on
> the RRS Newsgroup and many others.
>
Jesus what total bullshit!


--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html


Billy Smith

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Jan 2, 2006, 10:27:36 PM1/2/06
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Hey Stevie,

Did you forget to take your meds lately and your reality enhancing drugs.
Obviously like so many of the sheeple you would rather stick your oblong
head somewhere while the country as a whole hits the skids.

"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:43B56862...@milestones.com...

dxAce

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Jan 3, 2006, 7:43:32 AM1/3/06
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Billy Smith wrote:

> Hey Stevie,
>
> Did you forget to take your meds lately and your reality enhancing drugs.
> Obviously like so many of the sheeple you would rather stick your oblong
> head somewhere while the country as a whole hits the skids.

Skids? How so? Not as many people buying your burgers?

LMFAO at the Liberal stem yet again.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Carter, K8VT

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> Billy Smith wrote:

>>Hey Stevie,
>>
>>Did you forget to take your meds lately and your reality enhancing drugs.
>>Obviously like so many of the sheeple you would rather stick your oblong
>>head somewhere while the country as a whole hits the skids.

dxAce wrote:

> Skids? How so? Not as many people buying your burgers?

You ask "Skids" and "How so" ?

Guess you must not have heard that GM and Ford (two national icons) are
flirting with bankruptcy. Guess that you must not have heard Visteon is
flirting with bankruptcy. Guess you must not have heard that Delphi and
several other major auto suppliers are IN bankruptcy. Guess you must not
have heard that three major national airlines are IN bankruptcy. Guess
you must not have heard that an airline is going out of business today
(3 Jan).

As a self-appointed "ace", you apparently claim to listen to the radio;
if that's true, you might want to try tuning in a few domestic
broadcasts and find out what's crashing down around your 'tard boy head
in your own country...

RHF

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Jan 3, 2006, 9:07:23 AM1/3/06
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BD - I Am - What Which - DaviD Feeds Me :o) ~ RHF

RHF

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Telamon,

This is a Cost that for Now - I Am Willing To Pay.

when all is said and done - i have to be me ~ RHF

dxAce

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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

Business's go under every day and new ones start every day. Guess you missed
that some where along the way, 'tard boy.

LMFAO at the dumbass Liberal yet again!

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Telamon

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Jan 4, 2006, 4:00:25 PM1/4/06
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In article <Yhvuf.51307$6e1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
"Carter, K8VT" <k8...@ameritech.net> wrote:

You must have missed todays news.

DJIA 10885.27 +37.86
NASDAQ 2264.06 +20.32
NYSE 7965.43 +53.02
S&P 500 1273.98 +5.18

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Carter, K8VT

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Jan 4, 2006, 11:03:32 PM1/4/06
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No, I didn't miss the news today--I read the WSJ daily. But...so what?
...and what *is* your point?

Are you naive enough to believe that the Dow going up a few lousy points
for a day or two is making Ford/GM stronger, is going to give jobs back
to the 40,000 or so 'downsized' out of work people, will re-open all the
auto plants that have closed and will be closing, take three national
airlines out of bankruptcy, and put that out-of-business airline back in
business? Nice try, but sadly, I think you'll find it's not quite that
easy. :-(

If you want to quote *meaningful* financial news, try 'splaining away
the long vs short term bond interest inversion and the negative U.S.
savings rate (first time since 1929), neither one of which bodes very
well for the economy.

Puh-leze, do yourself a favor and take off those rose colored glasses...

Telamon

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Jan 4, 2006, 11:31:29 PM1/4/06
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In article <oU0vf.8457$UF3....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
"Carter, K8VT" <k8...@ameritech.net> wrote:

The economy is in good shape. The US markets are all on an upswing not
crashing.

> Are you naive enough to believe that the Dow going up a few lousy points
> for a day or two is making Ford/GM stronger, is going to give jobs back
> to the 40,000 or so 'downsized' out of work people, will re-open all the
> auto plants that have closed and will be closing, take three national
> airlines out of bankruptcy, and put that out-of-business airline back in
> business? Nice try, but sadly, I think you'll find it's not quite that
> easy. :-(

There are always job losses. Some sector is always having a problem but
they are offset by other sectors in the economy.



> If you want to quote *meaningful* financial news, try 'splaining away
> the long vs short term bond interest inversion and the negative U.S.
> savings rate (first time since 1929), neither one of which bodes very
> well for the economy.

People are investing in stocks and bonds and not putting their cash in
low interest rate savings accounts. People are also investing in the
housing markets and other than mortgages the borrowing rate is low.
Altogether individual wealth has increased.



> Puh-leze, do yourself a favor and take off those rose colored glasses...

Need anything else explained let me know but it would be better if it
was about short wave.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

dxAce

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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

You really need to attend a business school, 'tard boy!

LMFAO at the clueless Liberal/DNC stem.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


clifto

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Jan 5, 2006, 2:52:12 PM1/5/06
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Carter, K8VT wrote:
> Are you naive enough to believe that the Dow going up a few lousy points
> for a day or two is making Ford/GM stronger, is going to give jobs back
> to the 40,000 or so 'downsized' out of work people, will re-open all the
> auto plants that have closed and will be closing, take three national
> airlines out of bankruptcy, and put that out-of-business airline back in
> business? Nice try, but sadly, I think you'll find it's not quite that
> easy. :-(

Yes. All the above doomed industries are being eaten alive by the cancer of
socialism. There is no amount of money that can support socialism; wherever
it breaks out, the only cure is to let it eat its host until its host dies,
then hope the surviving victims manage to learn from the experience.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 5, 2006, 3:51:49 PM1/5/06
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Son killed for 'not changing to Islam' www.stevequayle.com

But,But,But,bush said Islam is a Religion of Peace.That AWOL Moron
bush,One Can Short of a Sixpack, www.rense.com doesn't know what he is
talking about.Islam is not a Religion,it is a cult.Or to quote Michael
Graham,Islam is an organiztion of terror.
cuhulin

Carter, K8VT

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Jan 5, 2006, 5:07:35 PM1/5/06
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Telamon wrote:

> The economy is in good shape. The US markets are all on an upswing not
> crashing.

I hope you are right, but as you quoted the DJIA, so shall I...

It showed a *loss* (negative) for the year 2005. Funny for you to say
that a minus *year* for the DJ shows "The US markets are all on an
upswing". Pardon me for not following or agreeing with your reasoning.

>>Are you naive enough to believe that the Dow going up a few lousy points
>>for a day or two is making Ford/GM stronger, is going to give jobs back
>>to the 40,000 or so 'downsized' out of work people, will re-open all the
>>auto plants that have closed and will be closing, take three national
>>airlines out of bankruptcy, and put that out-of-business airline back in
>>business? Nice try, but sadly, I think you'll find it's not quite that
>>easy. :-(

Telamon wrote:

> There are always job losses.

Yes, that's true, but not necessarily in 30,000 and 40,000 job chunks at
a time. Since I posted my response, Ford is announcing *another* 40,000
jobs will be gone starting in March.

Telamon wrote:

> Some sector is always having a problem but

Well, the auto and airlines are pretty big sectors; we are talking
*major* companies that provide jobs to a large portion of the populace
across the whole country, not "Mom and Pop" candy stores. These are
*not* industries you want to see in trouble! As "Engine Charley" Wilson
said in the early 50s, "What's good for GM, is good for the country".
The obvious converse to that is "What's bad for GM, is bad for the country".

Telamon wrote:

> they are offset by other sectors in the economy.

You say "offset by other sectors in the economy". With the good paying
manufacturing jobs vaporizing at an alarming rate, what's left? The
"service industry"? Working for poverty wages at China-Mart? Making beds
at the Holiday Inn? Asking if "You want fries with that"?

>>If you want to quote *meaningful* financial news, try 'splaining away
>>the long vs short term bond interest inversion and the negative U.S.
>>savings rate (first time since 1929), neither one of which bodes very
>>well for the economy.

Telamon wrote:

> People are investing in stocks and bonds and not putting their cash in
> low interest rate savings accounts. People are also investing in the
> housing markets and other than mortgages the borrowing rate is low.

Well, if you missed it, Greenspan has *raised* the interest rates *four*
times, so "borrowing rates" may not be as low as you think.

Also, the housing bubble will burst. The only reason people are buying
these over-priced palaces is that they think they can sell it next month
or next year for more than they paid. For a while, they are right, but
like all bubbles, it *will* burst. The housing loan market is just as
crazy--the only qualification for someone getting a mortgage is that
they be able to fog a mirror.

Telamon wrote:

> Altogether individual wealth has increased.

Again, I will disagree. Part and parcel of negative U.S. savings rates
means, by definition, that people are now dipping into their equity to
make ends meet. Please explain how "individual wealth has increased" if
people have to use up their equity to keep their heads above water.

>>Puh-leze, do yourself a favor and take off those rose colored glasses...

Telamon wrote:

> Need anything else explained let me know but it would be better if it
> was about short wave.

Maybe so, but before that time comes, you're going to have to show me
that you know a lot more about that than you "know" about
macroeconomics... ;-)

cuh...@webtv.net

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www.wardsauto.com Ford Completes Sale of Hertz.

Carlyle Group,where have I heard that name before?

www.bankrupt.com

www.devilfinder.com Troubled Company

About two years ago,I read an article in the Clarion Ledger
www.clarionledger.com about bush is a hindrance to businesse(s) in
Mississippi.
cuhulin

Telamon

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Jan 7, 2006, 12:48:09 AM1/7/06
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In article <HMgvf.9108$UF3....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
"Carter, K8VT" <k8...@ameritech.net> wrote:

< Snip >

> > The economy is in good shape. The US markets are all on an upswing not
> > crashing.
>
> I hope you are right, but as you quoted the DJIA, so shall I...
>
> It showed a *loss* (negative) for the year 2005. Funny for you to say
> that a minus *year* for the DJ shows "The US markets are all on an
> upswing". Pardon me for not following or agreeing with your reasoning.

It dropped the very last day of the year 2005. it has already recovered
to a new high.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

johnsm...@gmail.com

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Jan 6, 2006, 7:55:44 AM1/6/06
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>
> Business's go under every day and new ones start every day. Guess you missed
> that some where along the way, 'tard boy.

GM's a rather big business, you small penis cuckold SUV driver.

>
> LMFAO at the dumbass Liberal yet again!

I happen to agree with the poster you responded to. You're best bet is
to call me a liberal masturbating behind that computer screen. If you
were to call me a liberal to my face, I'd murder you where you stand.

Yours in Christ,
John

Carter, K8VT

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Jan 7, 2006, 11:54:19 AM1/7/06
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Please, please take a bigger view...you keep looking at a day here and a
day there. Please read more carefully what I said (and what you were so
gracious to quote above). What I said was, that for the *year* of 2005,
the DJIA showed an *overall loss*, an easily verifiable, published fact
that you can look up in that left-wing, commie pinko Wall Street Journal.

As I also said, "I hope you are right" [that the economy is in good
shape]. However, if you believe that is so, please justify why, if the
economy is in such "good" shape, *major* iconic companies that provide
jobs to large portions of our citizenry are near bankruptcy, are sinking
further into junk bond status, three(!) national airlines are in
bankruptcy, the American Tool and Die industry is gone, the telcom
industry is in a shambles and in just the last month or two, almost
100,000 good paying jobs in the auto industry alone went into the dumper.

Feel free to continue defining *that* as a "good" economy and feel free
to keep whistling in the dark...

dxAce

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Jan 7, 2006, 11:57:13 AM1/7/06
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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

Poor management! Overall, the economy is in good shape.

You need to attend a good business school.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Telamon

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Jan 7, 2006, 2:49:59 PM1/7/06
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In article <%mSvf.52359$q%.42499@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
"Carter, K8VT" <k8...@ameritech.net> wrote:

I don't know why you are forming the outlook that you have as there are
always problems to point at. The economy is never going to be firing on
all cylinders at the same time. Some sectors will be flat or going down
while other sectors will be going up. If you want to discuss the over
all economy then you have to look at least the whole year and the
economy as a whole. The economy is on an upswing for the year. Most of
the tax is collected on net profits and federal tax income is up. End
of story on the past year. Looking ahead are some industries in
trouble? Yes. Are some sectors on their way down? Yes. Over all is the
outlook for the economy good? You bet. 2006 should be a good year over
all.

Telamon's take on the big view.

I'm done being drawn into yet another off topic thread. Feel free to
have the last word.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Carter, K8VT

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Jan 7, 2006, 4:38:38 PM1/7/06
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Telamon wrote:

>
> If you want to discuss the over all economy then you have to look at
> least the whole year

Exactly my point---2005 *was* a down year. You quoted the DJIA for two
*days*, 12/31 and 1/5.

> The economy is on an upswing for the year.

Which year? Again, 2005 was a *down year* and 2006 is only 7 *days*
old...which makes your first statement above very puzzling.

dxAce

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Jan 7, 2006, 4:35:30 PM1/7/06
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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

You Liberals like it when things are down, don't you? And even if they are not,
you'll try to 'talk' things down.

LMFAO at the dumbass Liberal, yet again.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 7, 2006, 6:01:22 PM1/7/06
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U.S.Economy Soaring. www.bignewsnetwork.com
cuhulin

Carter, K8VT

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Jan 8, 2006, 8:44:38 AM1/8/06
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Telamon wrote:

>>>If you want to discuss the over all economy then you have to look at

>>>least the whole yearAs

Carter, K8VT wrote:

>>Exactly my point---2005 *was* a down year. You quoted the DJIA for two
>>*days*, 12/31 and 1/5.

Telamon wrote:

>>>The economy is on an upswing for the year.

Carter, K8VT wrote:

>>Which year? Again, 2005 was a *down year* and 2006 is only 7 *days*
>>old...which makes your first statement above very puzzling.

dxAce wrote:

> You Liberals like it when things are down, don't you?

"Like it when things are down"? In the course of this thread, I said at
least *twice*:

> As I also said, "I hope you are right" [that the economy is in good
> shape].

Doesn't sound like wishing things were down...

So, yet again you have demonstrated your sorry lack of reading
comprehension skills.

> LMFAO at the dumbass Liberal, yet again.

"Liberal"? Why yes, every financial fact I quoted *was* from the
"liberal" Wall Street Journal. Thanks for noticing! Either you can feel
free to research these facts in the WSJ or you can continue to keep your
head in the sand.

(Note that I would have said "continue to keep your head up your ass",
but from your perpetual use of LM-F-AO, we can only presume that your
ass is apparently otherwise occupied.)


dxAce

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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

Well, I certainly know where yours is at, 'tard boy!

LMFAO at the misguided Liberal stem yet again.

Toddle along now.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 8, 2006, 3:37:48 PM1/8/06
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I wonder how much gold is down there under Wall Street and in Fort Knox
Depository nowdays? Probally none at all,I would think so,maybe $13.00
worth of gold,those Crooked B......s done stole it all! Hey,Goldfinger
007 shaken not stirred movie comes on tv today and a few more times in
the next couple of days.I did my two months of ammo school at Fort
Knox,Kentucky in 1963.I never have been inside of that Gold Depository
building before,but I have passed right by it before a bunch of times.It
is a big old ugly a.. looking building,not at all like it looks on the
outside in that Goldfinger movie.
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 8, 2006, 4:36:07 PM1/8/06
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I was reading, http://prorev.com/dcfacts1.htm
Dont let them Cicadas http://cicadaville.com/index.htm get ya,they
are almost as bad as politicians.
cuhulin

clifto

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Jan 8, 2006, 10:25:44 PM1/8/06
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Carter, K8VT wrote:
> As I also said, "I hope you are right" [that the economy is in good
> shape]. However, if you believe that is so, please justify why, if the
> economy is in such "good" shape, *major* iconic companies that provide
> jobs to large portions of our citizenry are near bankruptcy, are sinking
> further into junk bond status, three(!) national airlines are in
> bankruptcy, the American Tool and Die industry is gone, the telcom
> industry is in a shambles and in just the last month or two, almost
> 100,000 good paying jobs in the auto industry alone went into the dumper.

I already told you. Socialism. Just about every industry you mention was
driven into the ground by greedy socialist unions, who went far beyond
ensuring fair compensation and decent working conditions for their workers
and started demanding extravagant overcompensation because they could get it.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 8, 2006, 11:05:19 PM1/8/06
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I never have worked for a company that was union and I never would
either.The last place I worked at was the auto/truck/lawnmower battery
factory in Florence,Mississippi.(that old factory first got started up
in 1961,it closed down about seven or eight years ago) One time some
people came out there trying to get us to vote union,most of
us,including myself voted NO!
cuhulin

rhf-...@usa.com

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Jan 9, 2006, 1:44:44 AM1/9/06
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Telamon,

Maybe - Carter [K8VT] should ask the French, Germans,
Japanese, Russians is they would like the US Economy
with it's Higher Rate of Growth and Lower Un-Employment.

The reality is that very few National Economies did as
well in 2005 as the State of California which is about
One-Tenth (1/10) of the Total US National Economy.

It is clearly un-fair to compare a national economy that
is less-than 1/10 the size of the USA : To a National
Economy that is Ten Times Bigger like the USA.

Comparing : Big Apples to small potatoes a favorite
Trick of a Liberal to Distort the Facts [.]

Glad To Be Living In America - tyja ~ RHF

RHF

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Jan 9, 2006, 2:18:56 AM1/9/06
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Carter [k8VT],

(OT) : Carter - An Alternative to Liberal Arrogance, Democrat Greed for
Power, and Left-Wing Lies.

Where you see everything being wrong with the USA . . .
[ The Glass is Half Empty and Filled with Poison ! :-[

I See Oh So Many Things Right With The USA . . .
{ The Glass is Half Full and Filled With The Water-of-Life ! :-}

God {Allah} Bless America - Amen !

for i believe in the promise of america
and faith in my fellow americans ~ RHF

WSJ - ECONOBLOG - "Reasons to Pout ?" - January 6, 2006
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113639173784337602.html?mod=todays_free_feature

The U.S. Economy has traveled a long road through Four Years
of Expansion, rarely swerving from a Course of Steady Growth.

Brian Wesbury writes:
* Real GDP Increased 3.6% at an Annual Rate during the first three
quarters of 2005 and through November nearly 200,000 Jobs-per-Month
were Added.
* Real Average Hourly Earnings in November were 5.8% above their
1995-1999 average and the net worth of U.S. Households hit $51.1
Trillion in September, an 11% (or $5 Trillion) increase from the
previous year.
* According to the Fed, U.S. Manufacturers produced more in November
2005 than any Month in History.
* In addition, the U.S. Exported $1.3 Trillion of Goods and Services
in 2005, making it the Largest Exporter in the World.

The Gipper's Type of Tax Reconciliation
- by - Julie Kesselman - Dec 9, 2005
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/JulieKesselman/2005/12/09/178571.html
* Real economic growth averaged 3.2 percent during the Reagan years
versus 2.8 percent during the Ford-Carter years and 2.1 percent during
the Bush-Clinton years; the productivity rate was higher; real median
family income grew by $4,000; and interest rates, inflation, and
unemployment all fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately
before or after his presidency.
* Note - This type of economic policy crept back into favor a few
years ago, with President Bush cutting taxes in his first term. *
These tax cuts and other policies should be credited with helping the
U.S. economy grow by 4.3 percent from July to September this year and
adding 215,000 jobs last month.
* In addition, Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown at 3
percent or better for ten straight quarters for an average rate of 4.1
percent, the best performance since the middle 1980s.
* Business profits have increased at a double-digit pace for nine
straight quarters -- for only the third time in the past 55 years.

Telamon

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Jan 10, 2006, 1:35:27 AM1/10/06
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In article <1136701296.6...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
rhf-...@usa.com wrote:

It all depends on how you look at things. We have the larger economy
but it is the most developed. Generally the largest growth can occur in
an underdeveloped economy. A general concern of mine is that the
majority of US investment dollars is going to finance foreign
development. US investment is flowing out of the country at a rate 3.5
times the concurrent US reinvestment due to the higher rates of return.
Just imagine what things would be like if all that money was being
invested in the USA! Be sure not to tell the glass is half empty guy
about this as we will never hear the end of it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF

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Jan 10, 2006, 10:05:55 AM1/10/06
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Telamon.

Where do 'you' American Corporations Invest and Build for the
future of the Corporation in the Global Economy :

1. In China (Overseas) where the building a new Manufacturing Plant
will cost one half-or-less the price of one built today in the USA ?

2. In China (Overseas) where the predictable long term Labor Cost
to run the Manufacturing Plant will cost one-fifth-or-less (1/5) the
Average Hourly Wage of one operated today in the USA ?

3. In China (Overseas) where the Chinese (Overseas) Market Place
is open to you as a result of have a Plant-in-Country and having the
ability to sell back into the USA : Giving you an expanded Market
China and a Billion 'potential' customers; plus the USA with 300
Million 'potential' customers. Plus since the Cost of the Product
Manufactured in China is Lower and thus more affordable it can
Be sold competitively in the World Market; where a higher priced
USA made item would be a non-seller.

Every major industrialized nation is currently Investing in China
(Overseas) as a future for their nations and their national economies.

Should the USA stand-a-side and let the rest of the world go by ?

the reality is that the usa is moving away from a manufacturing
economy and becoming a service orientated economy ~ RHF

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 10, 2006, 12:25:48 PM1/10/06
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I read an article at www.drudgereport.com yesterday or the day
before about Geely (China) will be selling Chinese built automobiles
here in U.S.A.in 2008. www.google.com Geely Automobile Company
China

Those cars will be selling here in U.S.A.for about ten thousand
dollars,or less.

I done told y'all months and months ago that China will be selling
Chinese built cars/trucks/vans.suvs,here in U.S.A.and we will be seeing
the demise of the Automobile Industry in U.S.A.

Would your sweety pie galfriend hop on over to a U.S.A.car dealeship and
buy a built in China vehicle and save a few thousand dollars (about
forty percent or more) over buying a built in U.S.A.vehicle? You bet
your sweet bippy,she or he will!
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 10, 2006, 12:32:28 PM1/10/06
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Jeanie,(on her glued to her ear cell phone) to Susie (Susie on Susie's
glued to her ear cell phone to Jeanie) (I just now bought a new Geely
(built in China) car,,, ohhhhh,,, it's so cute,you must come on over and
lets us go rideing around!) [Susie,how much did it cost?] (Jeanie to
Susie,, would you believe I bought it for less than ten thousand
dollars?) [NO,you are joking!]
cuhulin

Telamon

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In article <1136905555....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Telamon.
>
> Where do 'you' American Corporations Invest and Build for the
> future of the Corporation in the Global Economy :
>
> 1. In China (Overseas) where the building a new Manufacturing Plant
> will cost one half-or-less the price of one built today in the USA ?

< Snip >

China and India are the biggest undeveloped markets with large
populations. Those two nations and all of of Asia excluding Japan and
Korea.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 12, 2006, 11:30:29 PM1/12/06
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The Impeaching Of president bush. www.globalnewsmatrix.com

Doesn't it sound sooooo luverly? The IMPEACHING Of president bush.Please
Lawd,make it come True.
I love it!
Seeeeee,all U.S.prezes Should be IMPEACHED as a matter of general
principal.Actually,they Should be Tarred and Feathered and run out of
town on a Rail.
cuhulin

RHF

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Jan 13, 2006, 2:31:51 AM1/13/06
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Cuhulin,

Becareful of what you wish for . . .

"IF" - President George "W" Bush were in-fact Impeached
and Removed from the Office of US President.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/

THEN - Vice President Richard "B" Cheney would be the US President.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney
http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/

NOTE - Twenty-Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25th_amendment
Establishes Procedures - Both for Filling a Vacancy in the Office
of the Vice President as well as responding to Presidential
Disabilities.

NEXT - President Richard "B" Cheney would either appoint
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice or former Secretary
of State Colin "L" Powell as the new Vice President.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/rice-bio.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/40385.htm

The Bush Administration Cabinet - Pick One ?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html

FOLLOWED BY - Rice or Powell being the Republican
Presidential Candidate in 2008.


bush impeachment - the whole idea is just too hil-lary-us ~ RHF
{ As In 2008 Democrat Presidential Candidate Hillary "R" Clinton }
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

David

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On 12 Jan 2006 23:31:51 -0800, "RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>Cuhulin,
>
>Becareful of what you wish for . . .
>

The government would grind to a halt for years. That's a good thing.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 13, 2006, 9:57:52 AM1/13/06
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NO fed govt.Dither,twouldn't it be sooooo luverly? We Should dam up the
Patomain Poison River and turn that area back into a Swamp again and
make Pogo Possum prez of U.S.A.
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 13, 2006, 9:53:04 AM1/13/06
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hitlery klintoon will Never be the prez of U.S.A.Mark my words on that.
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 13, 2006, 9:50:56 AM1/13/06
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I Say Tar and feather bush and bush's girlfriend rice and cheney and
rumsfeld and run them OUT of U.S.A.on a Rail.I Say send them to the
International Criminal Court and stick them all in the same stinking
dank cell that hussein is in.I Say we would ALL be much better off.Oh
Yes!,,, I am Very Carefull of what I wish for,you Definetly can believe
that for Sure!
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jan 13, 2006, 9:59:59 AM1/13/06
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Seeeee,all of my Ideas are Great Ideas.
Ammmm I Righttttt????? Dont vote for me for prez,mama didn't raise no
fool.
cuhulin

David

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:53:04 -0600, cuh...@webtv.net wrote:

>hitlery klintoon will Never be the prez of U.S.A.Mark my words on that.
>cuhulin
>

There will never be another free election in this sorry excuse for a
democracy.

Carter, K8VT

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Jan 13, 2006, 3:03:04 PM1/13/06
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cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
> hitlery klintoon will Never be the prez of U.S.A.Mark my words on that.
> cuhulin


Well, let's hope you're right...but then, who'd a thunk the voters in NY
would have been so foolish as to put her in office????

RHF

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Jan 15, 2006, 4:07:22 AM1/15/06
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News Flash from DaviD - " There will never be another

free election in this sorry excuse for a democracy. "

DaviD - 'i' got news for 'you' . . .
The Only Sorry Excuse that 'you' know
is the one Looking-back-at-you in the Mirror [.]

david - i am not sorry -and- make no excuses ~ RHF

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