Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution
Chas. Chan
require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to
environmentalists.
[...]
•CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of
light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way
in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a
flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom.
•Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full
strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less
bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination
is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the
staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard
on the stairs.
•Few CFLs last for their advertised lifetimes of five years or more.
Many people report replacing them after one year, making those return
on investment numbers a bit less rosy. Using them in ceiling fixtures,
on dimmers or timers, and for less than fifteen minutes per use reduce
their life.
•CFLs contain mercury and should be returned to a hazardous waste
center for disposal. Studies assume a 25% recycling rate, with the
rest going into landfills. (The Westinghouse website recommends
recycling only when disposing of "a large quantity" of fluorescent
tubes and doesn't mention how to dispose of their CFLs.) According to
a 2008 Yale study, burning coal to supply electricity to incandescent
bulbs emits more mercury per bulb than a CFL contains, but regions
that rely on cleaner fuels like natural gas experience greater mercury
contamination with the introduction of CFLs. Why would
environmentalists advocate to bring a toxic product into every home?
•Cleaning up a broken CFL doesn't require a haz-mat team, but you have
to take significant precautions to avoid mercury contamination of
living areas.
•Manufacturing CFLs is labor-intensive. No CFLs are made with
expensive U.S. labor; most are made in China, where hundreds of
factory workers in CFL plants have been hospitalized for mercury
poisoning. The last major light bulb factory in the U.S., a GE plant
in Winchester, VA, closed earlier this month.
•CFLs require six times as much energy to manufacture as incandescent
bulbs, not to mention -- if you're concerned about such things -- the
carbon footprint of shipping them from China.
•CFLs appear to cause migraines and epileptic seizures in a small
number of people. Other health risks are being studied.
•CFLs work poorly in cold temperatures -- as a wintertime front porch
light, for example. In cold climates, the heat of incandescent bulbs
is a useful -- if inefficient -- byproduct.
•CFLs degrade the quality of the electric current (so-called "dirty
electricity" with uneven sine waves) on a circuit into which they are
plugged, causing problems for other electronic devices and possible
health hazards to humans.
[...]
(complete story with references)
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/compact_fluorescent_light_bulb.html
bpnjensen
Not my experience.
Sid9
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.
I've had them for years.
Reliable
Low operating cost.
Cool.
Less air-conditioning need to get rid of the heat incandescent lamps
generate
LEDs will be even better!
Incandescent lamps, 130 year old technology......ancient history!
Beam Me Up Scotty
>
> "Chas. Chan" <tianm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:329da8ad-8726-42ff...@f26g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>> Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
>> require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to
>> environmentalists.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of
>> light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way
>> in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a
>> flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom.
>>
>> •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full
>> strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less
>> bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination
>> is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the
>> staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard
>> on the stairs.
>>
I haven't tried the CFL outside but I had regular Fluorescent lighting
in a barn and when below 32F they didn't work worth a damn.
I think we're are going to transition to the more expensive LED lighting
bit going from $0.30 bulbs to $6.00 bulbs would be a hard sell so the
CFL is an intermediate to acclimate the consumers.
Bret Cahill
> require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to
> environmentalists.
>
> [...]
>
> •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of
> light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way
> in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a
> flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom.
60-watt incandescent don't put out a lit of light either.
The good thing about CF is you can use more or brighter bulbs for more
light and still use less electricity.
> •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full
> strength,
Exactly what you want in the middle of the night.
> which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less
> bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination
> is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the
> staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard
> on the stairs.
>
> •Few CFLs last for their advertised lifetimes of five years or more.
They are getting better.
> (complete story with references)http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/compact_fluorescent_light_bulb...
monkeydeskstand
There is no doubt, if it gets 5 degrees below zero chances are they
will not work anymore. Around 20 degrees
it they take a long time to get going. But have had on in the kitchen
that is on most nights for at least and hour
for 5 or so years. have had the same one at my office for about as
long at that is on for at least 8 hours a day
Previous to that with regular bulbs would go through 0one of these
aver 3 months.
RHF
wrt- Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs . . .
The Best Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
a PM Lab Test -by- Popular Mechanics
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/reviews/news/4215199
.
Tips for Buying Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf87568988.tip.html
.
Seven Problems* with Compact Fluorescent Light
(CFL) Bulbs Prevent Wider Acceptance and Use
http://www.expresslightbulbs.com/compact-fluorescent-cfl-full-spectrum-light-bulbs-p-290.html
* The Downside to CFL Bulbs
.
Sunlight's Long Legacy of Restoring and Healing*
http://products.mercola.com/light-bulbs/
* Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_affective_disorder
.
"Full Spectrum"* Compact Fluorescent Lamps (Bulbs)
* -aka- "Full Color Daylight" CFL Bulbs
http://www.amazon.com/Full-Spectrum-CFL-Light-Bulb/dp/B001DTOKBC
Note - I like the 30 Watts CFLs that give out
around the Lumens of a 120 Watt Incandescent
Bulb and use 30% of the Watts of a old 100 Watt
Incandescent Light Bulb
http://www.expresslightbulbs.com/compact-fluorescent-cfl-full-spectru...
=result= 20% More Light {Noticeable} & 70% Less
Energy; and really sells the switch over to CFLs.
.
Verilux "Natural Spectrum" CFL Bulbs are good but pricy
http://www.verilux.com/full-spectrum-lightbulbs/compact-fluorescent-cfl
.
BlueMax Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com/compact_fluorescent_32_ctg.htm
.
Indoor Sunshine "Full Spectrum" [Natural Day Light]
Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
http://store.lightforhealth.com/divinity-cart/category/1/Spiral-Bulbs...
-about- Indoor Sunshine CFLs "Light For Health"
http://www.lightforhealth.com/
-caution- GE 'Reveal' CFL Bulbs
-promise- Clean, Beautiful Light
http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_lighting/products/reveal_cfl.htm
-but- they are NOT Daylight
-and- they are NOT Full Spectrum
Zak
wrote:
Incandescent lamps are too futuristic for most of us, stick to whale
oil or kerosene lamps. Only greenies like incandescent lamps.
progressives like you. They'll never come down in price and be
cheap like the old kind we've been using for the past 500 years.
RHF
- But have had on in the kitchen that is on most
- nights for at least and hour for 5 or so years.
- have had the same one at my office for about
- as long at that is on for at least 8 hours a day
DITTO THAT AND MORE :
These Spiral {Mushroom} CFLs rated at
120 Watts Light Output {=Lumens} and use
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/289159982/Mushroom_anion_CFL.jpg
only 30 Watts of Power are Good for Reading
Lights {Daylight} and Shine Well in most places
http://cgi.ebay.com/370294601763
a 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb was used before.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A0GFCG/
NOTE - In a Kitchen where they are switch On&Off
many times Daily and are "On" for 8~12 Hours Daily
these last about 3-Years* before they don't Light-Up
anymore.
Doing-The-Math :
10 Hours x 365 Days x 3 Years = 10,950 Service Hours
* How Do I Know ? : I write the MM/YY on the base
of the CFL Bulb when it is installed to check it's
Service Life at Replacement. (o: smart :o) ~ RHF
- Previous to that with regular bulbs would go
- through 0one of these aver 3 months.
Same here.
Buy a Pack of Four Incandescent Bubs for One
Light Socket and they would be gone in a Year.
> > •CFLs degrade the quality of the electric current (so-called "dirty
> > electricity" with uneven sine waves) on a circuit into which they are
> > plugged, causing problems for other electronic devices and possible
> > health hazards to humans.
>
> > [...]
>
> > (complete story with references)
> >http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/compact_fluorescent_light_bulb...
John Smith
Whole family uses CFLs, most friends do to ... none of this seems more
than BS ...
Regards,
JS
Ray Fischer
>Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
>require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to
>environmentalists.
Tragedy of the Commons.
Look it up.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Clave
"Chas. Chan" <tianm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
> require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to
> environmentalists.
>
> [...]
>
> 匹FL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of
> light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way
> in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a
> flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom.
You whiny-ass titty-baby tool.
Grow some fur.
Jim
RHF
JS you got any family with the initials "BS" ? ;;-}}
maxw...@my-deja.com
> Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
> require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to
> environmentalists.
>
> [...]
>
> •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of
> light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way
> in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a
> flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom.
The first ones I bought were not as good as they are now.
They have made a lot of improvements.
>
> •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full
> strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less
> bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination
> is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the
> staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard
> on the stairs
This used to bug me but I actually find this a benefit now. It is
a lot less stressful to have the light start out dim and get brighter
over the next few minutes. I recently experienced the harsh
glare of an incandescent and found it intolerable.
>
> •Few CFLs last for their advertised lifetimes of five years or more.
> Many people report replacing them after one year, making those return
> on investment numbers a bit less rosy. Using them in ceiling fixtures,
> on dimmers or timers, and for less than fifteen minutes per use reduce
> their life.
While the CFL are improving the incandescent has gone down in
quality. I have some lights I leave on all the time. The incandescent
would have to be replaced every few weeks. I have had some
CFL's on for over 3 years and drawing 1/6 the power.
There are some drawbacks to CFL but improvements are coming.
It doesn't matter what the newer bulbs are to me as long as they
offer some of the benefits of CFLs.
From your article:
"A new generation of more efficient incandescent bulbs is on the
horizon, and LED bulbs show great promise. CFLs make sense
for some applications, but at best they will be a transitional
product."
RHF
> On Sep 22, 6:45 pm, "Chas. Chan" <tianmei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
> > require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to
> > environmentalists.
>
> > [...]
>
> > •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of
> > light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way
> > in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a
> > flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom.
>
> The first ones I bought were not as good as they are now.
> They have made a lot of improvements.
>
>
>
> > •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full
> > strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less
> > bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination
> > is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the
> > staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard
> > on the stairs
>
- a lot less stressful to have the light start out dim and get
brighter
- over the next few minutes. I recently experienced the harsh
- glare of an incandescent and found it intolerable.
Yes - With CFL Bulbs : New Is Better
When you first get a CFL and Install the Bulb :
Turn the CFL "ON" and Leave It On for 15~20
Minutes to Fully Energize {Excite} the Coating
in the Bulb. Usually -if- this is done when the
CFL Bulb is Installed -it- will then come-on to
Full Brightness thereafter when the Switch is
Flipped "ON" Plus the newer Electronic Ballasts
are better at the Rapid/Instant 'On' function and
the Frequency has been increased to reduce the
Flicker that was seen in the earlier ones.
? -now-is-that-true- ? ~ RHF
.
John Smith
> ...
> JS you got any family with the initials "BS" ? ;;-}}
I live in California, it is always warm enough for lightbulbs to work.
<grin>
Regards,
JS
Sid9
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.
The yellowish-orange light that incandescent lamps give off is similar to
the color of the light candles emit.
There's no reason that we should stick to that puny sickly color.
CFL lamps can do a good job of emulating daylight.
Regarding energy. When I had incandescent lamps in our high hats I could
warm the room by simply turning the lights on.
This was an indicator of how much extra energy (and money) I needed to waste
during air-conditioning season.
No more. I had these for years. I would never go back.
cuh...@webtv.net
degrees below zero.I bet those Incandescent Light Bulbs felt good for
hand warmers.
cuhulin
John Smith
> ...
> .
> The yellowish-orange light that incandescent lamps give off is similar
> to the color of the light candles emit.
>
> There's no reason that we should stick to that puny sickly color.
>
> CFL lamps can do a good job of emulating daylight.
>
> Regarding energy. When I had incandescent lamps in our high hats I could
> warm the room by simply turning the lights on.
>
> This was an indicator of how much extra energy (and money) I needed to
> waste during air-conditioning season.
>
> No more. I had these for years. I would never go back.
>
>
You want "Daylight" bulbs, 6500K ... revel are better than most CFLs,
but still lack the brightness and whiteness of Daylight ... normal "warm
white" or "cool white" are little better than incandescent ...
Regards,
JS
Beam Me Up Scotty
>
> "John Smith" <assembl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:i7fnuh$e3q$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 9/23/2010 2:30 AM, RHF wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> JS you got any family with the initials "BS" ? ;;-}}
>>
>> I live in California, it is always warm enough for lightbulbs to work.
>> <grin>
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
> .
> .
> The yellowish-orange light that incandescent lamps give off is similar
> to the color of the light candles emit.
>
> There's no reason that we should stick to that puny sickly color.
>
> CFL lamps can do a good job of emulating daylight.
>
Choice is a nice thing.....
jane
I use a combination of old fashioned and new fashioned CFLs.
As already mentioned, it makes no sense to use CFLs in a hallway or
stairway where the light is only on for less than a minute.
It also makes no sense to use CFLs in decorative bathroom lights or
ANY light where the fixture points down like an upside down tulip or a
ceiling canister light. The upside down tulip or canister builds up
heat which will kill a capacitor in the CFL.
I also discovered a very interesting problem with CFLs and pets. The
old fashioned fluorescent bulbs use a magnetic ballast that operates
at 60hz and the flicker would drive some people crazy. The new CFLs
operate at 20,000 hz and this " drive em crazy" problem has gone away.
HOWEVER, the 20,000hz of the CFLs emit a 20,000hz sound that dogs and
cats can hear and it drives THEM crazy.
In an experiment, a CFL was put in a single room where a dog would
frequently lay. When the CFL was installed, the dog wouldn't go in
that particular room any more.
Jane.
http://www.science20.com/science_amp_supermodels/cfl_bulbs_save_planet_make_your_pets_insane
bpnjensen
My cats seem to have no response to our CFLs.
jane
>
> - Show quoted text -
How do you know?
Try the experiment where you use incadescent bulbs in all of your
rooms and put a CFL in his/her favorite sleeping place.
cuh...@webtv.net
efficient clothes washing machines, the kind that doesn't use much
water.He said his wife complains that new washing machine doesn't get
clothes as clean as their old Sears Kenmore washing machine did.JT said
he is looking for a good old Sears Kenmore washing machine.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
those dogs out there crazy? I Want That!
What kind of range do those 20,000hz bulbs have? Will that 20,000hz bulb
affect my doggy? I always keep my doggy in my house.What name brand and
model are those 20,000hz bulbs?
cuhulin
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"Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
news:dennism3-ya0240800...@news.datemas.de...
> In article
> <36ffa5bc-00f0-42d9...@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, jane
> <jane....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>HOWEVER, the 20,000hz of the CFLs emit a 20,000hz sound that dogs and
>>cats can hear and it drives THEM crazy.
>
> dogs and cats who gallivant around on my property crazy (maybe it even
> works as good as the overpriced "animal repellers" you see advertised on
> TV).
.
.
.
Don't worry about jane.
jane is detached from the 21st century.
jane uses incandescent lamps and an outdoor TV antenna.
She has no clue about CNN, FOX, MSNBC, C-Span1, 2, and 3
jane thinks Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon, St Reagan, and the bushes are
great American heroes
I never saw a cat or dog affected by CFL lamps.
cuh...@webtv.net
for one of them thar 20,000hz bulbs, while I am loading up on and
hoarding some more General Electric 60 Watt Incandescent Light Bulbs,
Real Light Bulbs.It it affects my little couch buddy doggy though, I
will not use that bulb anymore.
cuhulin
Ray Fischer
>On Sep 23, 9:24 am, John Smith <assemblywiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/23/2010 2:30 AM, RHF wrote:
>>
>> > ...
>> > JS you got any family with the initials "BS" ? ;;-}}
>>
>> I live in California, it is always warm enough for lightbulbs to work.
>> <grin>
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
>I use a combination of old fashioned and new fashioned CFLs.
>
>As already mentioned, it makes no sense to use CFLs in a hallway or
>stairway where the light is only on for less than a minute.
Good ones are on instantly.
>It also makes no sense to use CFLs in decorative bathroom lights or
>ANY light where the fixture points down like an upside down tulip or a
>ceiling canister light. The upside down tulip or canister builds up
>heat which will kill a capacitor in the CFL.
Unless you're a clueless halfwit.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
dave
>
> My cats seem to have no response to our CFLs.
I have a cat that freaks when I dig into a bag of crushed ice, because
of the high-pitched crackling. She has no such reaction when I fire up
the CFLs. I have 5 [ea] 25 Watt deliciously warm CFLs in my studio, 4
of which are base up in old school white surface mount fixtures, fed by
zip cord and Scotchloks.
dave
So frontloaders are the CFLs of washing machines? Got it.
cuh...@webtv.net
WOO WOO WOOF!
Then she runs and gets one of her rubber squeaky doggy toys and thrashes
it around.One of them looks like a bone, she parks it by my foot, I kick
it with my foot, she jumps up and catches it and thrashes it around.
cuhulin
jane
>
> - Show quoted text -
Once again, your post contians nothing of value and you have to resort
to childish name calling.
Here are some excerpts from the GE Lighting FAQ [1].
"...these bulbs do require a short warm-up period..."
"Compact fluorescent light bulbs work best if they are left on for
over 15 minutes each time they are turned on. "
"These types of lamps can take up to 3 minutes to warm-up. ... the
lamp needs to warm-up in order to reach the point of most efficient
operation. Frequently switching them on and off will shorten the life
of the product. If the life of the lamp is shortened significantly,
you will not reap the financial benefits (includes energy & life of
lamp), that are common to CFL lamps."
"Totally enclosed recessed fixtures create temperatures that are too
high to allow the use of a compact fluorescent bulb."
I use CFLs in a kitchen/breakfast room because I have 13 recessed
ceiling "can" fixtures. The use of incadescents adds 715 watts of
heat to the room. HOWEVER, due to the heat buildup in these recessed
cans, the CFLs usually last less than a year. Due to the short life
span of the CFLs, using CFLs does not make good economic sense, but
they DO reduce the room heating down to 169 watts.
I do not use CFLs in areas of short usage, such as bathrooms,
hallways, or stairways.
Jane.
Footnotes:
1. http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_lighting/ask_us/faq_compact.htm
bpnjensen
> I do not use CFLs in areas of short usage, such as bathrooms,
> hallways, or stairways.
>
> Jane.
In such places, an eventual switchover to LEDs might be more cost
effective.
Sid9
"jane" <jane....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:10a05b01-b58b-4be5...@k9g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
.
I changed the internal works of my "tophats" to accommodate the "daylight"
CFL's that have been in place for years.
There were some initial failures replaced under warranty but they are
stable. They reach full brightness in seconds.
The 27 Watt CFL over my breakfast table replaces a 150 Watt incandescent
lamp. This CFL required a base extender to fit the fixture.
130 year old incandescent, inefficient technology is dead.
LEDs are an even better solution when the price becomes more reasonable.
Sounds like progressive technology goes hand in hand with progressive
politics.
Republicans have just offered a new (old) "Plague on America" so we can
regress some more.
jane
> "jane" <jane.pla...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sometimes progressive products aren't as progressive as one thinks.
Yes, the bulbs "appear" to be bright within seconds, the GE web site
states that a CFL "needs to warm-up in order to reach the point of
most efficient
operation" and that that CFLs " work best if they are left on for
over 15 minutes each time they are turned on. "
The advantage of using CFLs is EFFICIENCY. It makes no sense to use
CFLs in a place where you will not acheive their efficiency.
I agree that LEDs are the best option when they are improved and when
the price comes down. Right now, LEDs are in their initial stages.
Jane
John Smith
I once had a vision like that, but I think it was just the dope ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>
> "These types of lamps can take up to 3 minutes to warm-up. ... the
> lamp needs to warm-up in order to reach the point of most efficient
> operation. Frequently switching them on and off will shorten the life
> of the product. If the life of the lamp is shortened significantly,
> you will not reap the financial benefits (includes energy& life of
> lamp), that are common to CFL lamps."
> ...
> Jane.
>
> Footnotes:
>
> 1. http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_lighting/ask_us/faq_compact.htm
>
What time do I give it, its' bottle, burp it, change its' diaper, put it
to bed?
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> Sometimes progressive products aren't as progressive as one thinks.
> ...
> Jane
>
Actually, I was in the tea party, until the neocons infiltrated it and
corrupted it. Now I just support Ron Paul ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
I see that a lot too ... mostly when I OD on medical marijuana ...
Regards,
JS
Beam Me Up Scotty
cuh...@webtv.net
country.The snow and ice covers them up, you can't see them, Ergo they
don't put out enough heat to melt the snow and ice.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
head several times before with her chew ropes.It hurts too.Good for
playing tug of war with doggy though.
cuhulin
Beam Me Up Scotty
There is no "Tea Party" to infiltrate..... tea party people are not
linked to any National group, in fact there is only one National
election and that's the President of the United States. Hardly a reason
for a National "Tea party" all you need is to network, if nothing else
th einternet should be a blueprint on how to NOT place power in person
or group and to keep everything loosely connected in cells like internet
server farms so that no one can shut down /OR/ take over the TEA PARTY
no matter how hard they try. Because all you need to do is join a
different one or start your own tea party and get members. The tea party
is simply like minded people connecting on a simple political goal there
is no underlying political machine and when you see that happening then
you need to start fresh and let the old group dissolve.
It's good to know other tea party groups and to network with them to
assist or find a rally or get outside help for a candidate you believe
in but, there is no all powerful tea party "Central Committee" to tell
people what to do and that would just drive people away like you left
and now believe them when they say they are in control of the tea party.
I say start your own online local tea party and network with the one you
left and see if people don't like you version better.
No reason for you to be involved with a National Tea Party. The whole
movement is ground-up and no matter who calls themselves "the leader"
they have no power. The LOCAL ELECTIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE ONES
ON TV THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO YOU. You need to align with
another *tea party* or start one that's more independent and draw off
like minded people from the other tea parties and in the end, the groups
with the least extensive "LAUNDRY LIST" will be the ones standing
because you'll have the widest appeal.
There are only three things needed for a tea party. It isn't even meant
to be a lasting movement, no need for the brick and mortar investments.
NO CHARTER and no need for contracts, *your money needs to go*
*directly* *to* *the candidates* that you "maybe decide with others"
represents your TEA PARTY the best.
The tea Party is *NOT* part of the conservative or Republican party.
The Republican party may have some things in common with the tea party,
like Smaller government, but unless Republicans have or will be voting
for smaller government they get NO tea party support. Find a Democrat
that supports the Tea Party Credo and support them. There is no
Political party in TEA PARTY.
The Same goes for Democrats, they get no tea party support unless they
have a record or promise that they'll vote for smaller government.
*The Tea Party credo*
1. Smaller government, with economic freedom and responsibility
2. Protect and defend the Constitution
3. National Security
You see there is NO extraneous goals to dilute the movement. Any person
that wants these three things can be aligned with the tea party as much
or as little as they wish. *NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!* give money to a
political group without specific detail in writing for which that money
is to be used.
I drifted away from the locals and I try to touch base with them here
and there but I follow the group more than I interact, I look at their
ideas and mostly I'm an online member, I'm not big on the pot-luck
dinner social aspects of politics.
I'm a tea party supporter but I have no "Political party".
I am similar to a Libertarian but not quite that either.
John Smith
Even the ice cubes in my scotch seems to affect them ... they can get
fuzzy, at times ...
Regards,
JS
Beam Me Up Scotty
There is no "Tea Party" to infiltrate..... tea party people are not
linked to any National group, in fact there is only one National
election and that's the President of the United States. Hardly a reason
for a National "Tea party" all you need is to network, if nothing else
the internet should be a blueprint on how to NOT place power in one
person or group and to keep everything loosely connected in cells like
internet server farms so that no one person or group can shut down /OR/
take over the TEA PARTY no matter how hard they try. Because all you
need to do is join a different one or start your own tea party and get
members. The tea party is simply like minded people connecting on a
simple political goal there is no underlying political machine and when
you see that happening then you need to start fresh and let the old
group dissolve.
It's good to know other tea party groups and to network with them to
assist or find a rally or get outside help for a candidate you believe
in but, there is no all powerful tea party "Central Committee" to tell
people what to do, and that would just drive people away like you left
your local and now believe groups, when they say they are in control of
the tea party.
I say start your own online local tea party and network with the one you
left and see if people don't like your version better. State the credo
and ignore the rest of the political baggage.
No reason for you to be involved with a National Tea Party. The whole
movement is ground-up and no matter who calls themselves "the leader"
they have no National power. The LOCAL ELECTIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN
Beam Me Up Scotty
Life's a bitch.
RHF
> On 9/23/2010 2:30 AM, RHF wrote:
>
> > ...
> > JS you got any family with the initials "BS" ? ;;-}}
>
> I live in California, it is always warm enough for lightbulbs to work.
> <grin>
>
> Regards,
> JS
JS,
I don't know about that for "All' of California Land.
Sometimes up here in Twain Harte, CA we stay
in the high 'teens' all day; and naturally a little
cooler in the nights.
But the outside CFLs seem to work OK when
the Sun goes down : Naturally a few Winter Days
the Outside {PhotoEye} Lights stay ON all Day.
~ RHF
.
RHF
Three things : Small Aquarium Air Pump
and a Little Dog Whistle {Tube Shaped}
with an Air Hose between.
Plug it in and , , , , , Hear Them Howl :-{ ~ RHF
.
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
<Then-Destro...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
[ Nothing of any values snipped. ]
> *The Tea Party credo*
1. We are old, fat white people in polyester suits and beehive
hairdos, all driving green Buicks.
2. We want to go back to Father Knows Best, Ozzie and Harriet, blacks
in the back of the bus, the Klan in the police departments, Jesus in
schools, pregnant teenagers "in trouble" and shipped off to Grandma's,
and queers shipped off to San Francisco.
3. We have our Social Security checks and Medicare pays for our
health care.
4. Fuck the rest of you. Just keep paying your taxes to support us.
Beam Me Up Scotty
And your point is??????
RHF
-
- --
- Ray Fischer
- rfisc...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer, "clueless halfwit" ? [CLHW]
D'Oh ! - They now make CFL Bulbs that work
in all possible Installation Positions :
* Point-Up {Electronics Down & Cool}
* Point-to-the-Side {Electronics Sideways}
-and-
* Point-Down {Electronics Up & Hot}
-plus-
* Enclosed Fixture = A-OK :o}
COLD WEATHER CFL BULBS :
There are now CFL Bulbs made with an Outer
Glass Envelope so that they operate in Cold
Weather better.
Plus some of these CFL Bulbs may have an
additional Silicone Coating on the Outer Glass
Envelope to improve the Very Cold Weather
Performance.
CFL Bulbs they are becoming so easy to use :
Why even a "clueless halfwits" can do them right.
hey ray fischer - welcome to the 'clhw' club ;-} ~ RHF
.
.
Beam Me Up Scotty
D. Peter Maus
Not as much as you might hope. Then, again, neither to CFL'S.
RHF
- - On Sep 24, 7:29 am, jane <jane.pla...@gmail.com> wrote:
- - I do not use CFLs in areas of short usage,
- - such as bathrooms, hallways, or stairways.
- - Jane.
- In such places, an eventual switchover to LEDs
- might be more cost effective.
The 3 LEDs {3 Watts Each} lighting the Stairs
to the upper Bedrooms stay on all night.
-note- these LEDs have been in use 5+ Years*
Daily for 8~12 Hours per Day; and are located
over the Stairs in High Fixtures requiring a 12 Foot
Ladder with Leg Extensions to use on the Stairs
* Used to have to replace the older 20 Watt Halogen
Bulbs once or twice a year.
Doing-the-Math :
3B x 3W x 12H = 108 Watts which is about the
same as having a 100 Watt Incandescent on
for about an Hour.
-replaced- MR16 Halogen Spots with E27base @
20 Watts each
-why- On All Night ? The Grey Cat used to like to
sleep on the Stairs at Night and you often could not
see her on the Dark Green Carpet. Now with the
LEDs "On" the Kitty Sleeps in her Cat Bed and we
don't Fall-Down the Stairs and Injure ourselves in
the middle of the Night. -just-say-no-to-doctor-visits-
always use enough light to see
and to be/work safe too ~ RHF
.
.
RHF
Everyth...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
> On 9/24/2010 10:40 AM, bpnjensen wrote:> On Sep 24, 7:29 am, jane <jane.pla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I do not use CFLs in areas of short usage, such as bathrooms,
> >> hallways, or stairways.
>
> >> Jane.
>
> > In such places, an eventual switchover to LEDs might be more cost
> > effective.
- DO LEDs work well at zero degree temperatures?
BMUS,
Have some outside Security/Bug LED Lights what
have been Working ~7 Years and it gets down into
the Teens for several Nights in the Winter.
Check Out the Cold Weather CFL Bulbs :
* There are now CFL Bulbs made with an Outer
Glass Envelope so that they operate in Cold
Weather better.
* Plus some of these CFL Bulbs may have an
additional Silicone Coating on the Outer Glass
Envelope to improve the Very Cold Weather
Performance.
~ RHF
.
.
cuh...@webtv.net
about a device which is simple to make and it emits a type of
sound/sound waves/sub-sonic/ultra-sonic/whatever, which can't be heard
by human ears, but it will put people in sheer agonizing agony/rolling
around on the floor with unbearable pain.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
can, they don't work.Except for one paticular dog whistle by the name of
Ace, maybe it is Acme, something like that.
I once asked a guy at Animal Health Products (that's where I buy Pro Pac
dog food for doggy) store about those whistles.He told me about them.He
said the price of those dog whistles went up to thirty dollars and
people stopped buying them, so they don't sell them anymore.
cuhulin
RHF
> "John Smith" <assemblywiz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:i7fnuh$e3q$1...@news.eternal-september.org...> On 9/23/2010 2:30 AM, RHF wrote:
>
> >> ...
> >> JS you got any family with the initials "BS" ? ;;-}}
>
> > I live in California, it is always warm enough for lightbulbs to work.
> > <grin>
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
>
> .
> The yellowish-orange light that incandescent lamps give off is similar to
> the color of the light candles emit.
>
> There's no reason that we should stick to that puny sickly color.
- CFL lamps can do a good job of emulating daylight.
Yes they do... and Full Spectrum DayLight CFLs
Can Be Very Good for Your Health too . . .
Sunlight's Long Legacy of Restoring and Healing*
http://products.mercola.com/light-bulbs/
* Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_affective_disorder
.
"Full Spectrum"* Compact Fluorescent Lamps (Bulbs)
* -aka- "Full Color Daylight" CFL Bulbs
http://www.amazon.com/Full-Spectrum-CFL-Light-Bulb/dp/B001DTOKBC
Note - I like the 30 Watts CFLs that give out
around the Lumens of a 120 Watt Incandescent
Bulb and use 30% of the Watts of a old 100 Watt
Incandescent Light Bulb
http://cgi.ebay.com/370375116753
=result= 20% More Light {Noticeable} & 70% Less
Energy; and really sells the switch over to CFLs.
.
Verilux "Natural Spectrum" CFL Bulbs are good but pricy
http://www.verilux.com/full-spectrum-lightbulbs/compact-fluorescent-cfl
.
BlueMax Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com/compact_fluorescent_32_ctg.htm
.
Indoor Sunshine "Full Spectrum" [Natural Day Light]
Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
http://store.lightforhealth.com/divinity-cart/category/1/Spiral-Bulbs-CFLs-/1.html
-about- Indoor Sunshine CFLs "Light For Health"
http://www.lightforhealth.com/
.
-caution- GE 'Reveal' CFL Bulbs
-promise- Clean, Beautiful Light
http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_lighting/products/reveal_cfl.htm
-but- they are NOT Daylight
-and- they are NOT Full Spectrum
.
- Regarding energy. When I had incandescent lamps
- in our high hats I could warm the room by simply
- turning the lights on.
Use to see an Adz back in the 1960s for a "Heat-Tube"
that went from Floor to Ceiling and had a single 100 Watt
Incandescent Light Bulb in the Base. The 'Claim' was
that when it was ON the Natural Convection Air would
take the Chill out of the Room in an Hour. They had a
Deluxe Model with a small Fan to aid in boosting the
Natural Convection Air flow.
Most people that had an old Tube Type TV in a Room
never knew that they were running a 300~500+ Watt
Electric Heater in the Room while watching TV :o) ~ RHF
.
- This was an indicator of how much extra energy (and
- money) I needed to waste during air-conditioning season.
-
- No more. I had these for years. I would never go back.
RHF
> On 9/23/2010 7:37 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>
>
>
> > ...
> > .
> > The yellowish-orange light that incandescent lamps give off is similar
> > to the color of the light candles emit.
>
> > There's no reason that we should stick to that puny sickly color.
>
>
> > warm the room by simply turning the lights on.
>
> > This was an indicator of how much extra energy (and money) I needed to
> > waste during air-conditioning season.
>
> > No more. I had these for years. I would never go back.
- You want "Daylight" bulbs, 6500K ...
- revel are better than most CFLs,
- but still lack the brightness and whiteness of Daylight
- ... normal "warm white" or "cool white" are little better
- than incandescent ...
-
- Regards,
- JS
Yes 6500K DayLight CFL Bulbs are very good.
The Full Spectrum CFL Bulbs are even better
and can be Very Good for Your Health too . . .
.
RHF
> Those kind of dog whistles that humans can't hear but supposely dogs
> can, they don't work.Except for one paticular dog whistle by the name of
> I once asked a guy at Animal Health Products (that's where I buy Pro Pac
> dog food for doggy) store about those whistles.He told me about them.He
> said the price of those dog whistles went up to thirty dollars and
> people stopped buying them, so they don't sell them anymore.
> cuhulin
Acme Dog Whistles
http://www.gundogsonline.com/dog-whistle/
.
John Smith
> ...
> I don't know about that for "All' of California Land.
>
> Sometimes up here in Twain Harte, CA we stay
> in the high 'teens' all day; and naturally a little
> cooler in the nights.
>
> But the outside CFLs seem to work OK when
> the Sun goes down : Naturally a few Winter Days
> the Outside {PhotoEye} Lights stay ON all Day.
>
> ~ RHF
> .
I have a cabin at Mosquito Lakes ~11,500ft elevation ... if you want to
see cold in California, you'll see it there.
Regards,
JS
Ray Fischer
>> >> On 9/23/2010 2:30 AM, RHF wrote:
>>
>> >> > ...
>> >> > JS you got any family with the initials "BS" ? ;;-}}
>>
>> >> I live in California, it is always warm enough for lightbulbs to work.
>> >> <grin>
>>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> JS
>>
>>
>> >As already mentioned, it makes no sense to use CFLs in a hallway or
>> >stairway where the light is only on for less than a minute.
>>
>> Good ones are on instantly.
>>
>> >It also makes no sense to use CFLs in decorative bathroom lights or
>> >ANY light where the fixture points down like an upside down tulip or a
>> >ceiling canister light. The upside down tulip or canister builds up
>> >heat which will kill a capacitor in the CFL.
>>
>
I noticed that your claims are completely without any supporting
evidence.
>Here are some excerpts from the GE Lighting FAQ [1].
>
>"...these bulbs do require a short warm-up period..."
Where's the rest of the sentence?
>"Compact fluorescent light bulbs work best if they are left on for
>over 15 minutes each time they are turned on. "
That depends upon the specific bulb. There is a great deal of
variation in startup times.
>"Totally enclosed recessed fixtures create temperatures that are too
>high to allow the use of a compact fluorescent bulb."
But you didn't refer to "Totally enclosed recessed fixtures". you
referred to base-up installations.
>I use CFLs in a kitchen/breakfast room because I have 13 recessed
At this point it's clear that you're just an idiot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
dave
> On Sep 24, 7:29 am, jane<jane.pla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do not use CFLs in areas of short usage, such as bathrooms,
>> hallways, or stairways.
>>
>> Jane.
>
> In such places, an eventual switchover to LEDs might be more cost
> effective.
I use them in the bathroom with no noticeable ill effects. Sideways with
the diffuser reversed.
dave
> On 9/24/2010 7:07 AM, dave wrote:
>> bpnjensen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My cats seem to have no response to our CFLs.
>>
>> I have a cat that freaks when I dig into a bag of crushed ice, because
>> of the high-pitched crackling. She has no such reaction when I fire up
>> the CFLs. I have 5 [ea] 25 Watt deliciously warm CFLs in my studio, 4 of
>> which are base up in old school white surface mount fixtures, fed by zip
>> cord and Scotchloks.
>
> I once had a vision like that, but I think it was just the dope ...
>
> Regards,
> JS
>
That's what I was going for when I built the room.
dave
> On 9/24/2010 8:15 AM, jane wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Sometimes progressive products aren't as progressive as one thinks.
>> ...
>> Jane
>>
>
> Actually, I was in the tea party, until the neocons infiltrated it and
> corrupted it. Now I just support Ron Paul ...
>
> JS
I first met Dr. Paul in 1976. We were the only radio station that
bothered with Libertarians in 1976.
John Smith
>> ...
>> I once had a vision like that, but I think it was just the dope ...
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>>
>
> That's what I was going for when I built the room.
Well, you succeeded! Great.
Most here will recognize that you are a dope ... so, apparently, the
room worked! Nice job!
Regards,
JS
DEFCON 88
entire wall.
cuh...@webtv.net
bend.
cuhulin
RHF
Everyth...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
> On 9/22/2010 8:31 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Chas. Chan" <tianmei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:329da8ad-8726-42ff...@f26g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> >> Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
> >> require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to
> >> environmentalists.
>
> >> [...]
>
> >> •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of
> >> light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way
> >> in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a
> >> flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom.
>
> >> •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full
> >> strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less
> >> bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination
> >> is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the
> >> staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard
> >> on the stairs.
>
> I haven't tried the CFL outside but I had regular Fluorescent lighting
> in a barn and when below 32F they didn't work worth a damn.
>
- I think we're are going to transition to the more
- expensive LED lighting bit going from $0.30 bulbs
- to $6.00 bulbs would be a hard sell so the CFL
- is an intermediate to acclimate the consumers.
FWIW LED Light may be coming down in Price at
least for simple 3-LED Flashlights {Hand Torches}
On the way back up the Hill from Stockton, CA
stopped by the Dollar Tree Store in Oakdale, CA
and saw a Plastic Body 3-LED Flashlight* that
used 3 AAA Batteries {Not Included} for only
One Buck [$1]. -hint- 'Dollar Tree'
* Distributor : Greenbrier Intl. & Made-in-China
Got it home and tested it with the 3 AAA Batteries
installed and IT IS A BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT !
The 1"D x 3.5"L Barrel fits in the Palm of the Hand
with the 1.5"D x 1.5"L Light-Head still exposed.
unless you have Big Hands.
The over-all shape sort of looks like this one.
http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/led-flashlight-253681.jpg
The Front Lens of the 3-LED Light-Head
generally looks like this.
http://www.lightjunction.com/images/EagleTac/EagleTac-M3XC4-R2.jpg
Just seems this year that a smaller Aluminum Body
9-LED Flashlight that used 3 AAA Batteries was
selling for $5~$10 with the cheap LABs included.
-but- This 3-LED Flashlight is Brighter then any of
the 9-LED Flashlights -imho-
HELLO Just because LEDs are so energy efficient :
Please Remember Not-to-Over-Do-It ;;-}} ~ RHF
http://blog.makezine.com/500-led-flashlight.jpg
.
.
cuh...@webtv.net
There is a Dollar Tree store in that strip mall next to the Walmart
store, that is a mile and a half South of doggy's couch.That Walmart
store is where I do my food shopping.
I have to get out and about tomorrow morning anyway, Ergo my old house
has PEX plastic water pipes and the outside water faucet has done sprung
a pinhole water leak.To repair that water leak, I could call a plumber,
but I like to do things myself, so that means I am going buy a crimping
tool (about $100.00 more or less, but a plumber would charge me about
that much or more to come out here and fix that water leak for me
anyway) and some copper rings and a Go - No Go gauge.If I get any more
PEX water leaks, I can allways fix them myself.
While I am out and about (He says, Where is Elmo? She says, He is out
and about) tomorrow, I might stop off at that Dollar Tree store.
http://www.dollartree.com
cuhulin
RHF
>
> >The Front Lens of the 3-LED Light-Head
> >generally looks like this.
> >http://www.lightjunction.com/images/EagleTac/EagleTac-M3XC4-R2.jpg
>
> >Just seems this year that a smaller Aluminum Body
> >9-LED Flashlight that used 3 AAA Batteries was
> >selling for $5~$10 with the cheap LABs included.
> >-but- This 3-LED Flashlight is Brighter then any of
> >the 9-LED Flashlights -imho-
>
> >HELLO Just because LEDs are so energy efficient :
> >Please Remember Not-to-Over-Do-It ;;-}} ~ RHF
> >http://blog.makezine.com/500-led-flashlight.jpg
>
> your definition considerably.
>
> LEDs require precision engineering to make ... and
> that costs money and energy and toxic crap that has
> to be specially disposed.
Mr. Black,
The same can be said for all the new High MPG Cars
and Hybrid Cars : The Energy used to Build the One
'New' Car and All of it's Parts could Fuel a currently
existing Car for 3+ Years by some estimates.
-so- Keeping the Old Clunker has an overall Energy Use
Avoidance in the First Year that extends out 3+ Years
-and- Keeping the Old Clunker for 3+ Years can Reduce
the Carbon Footprint for a Decade.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3486522452_1b15fba207_z.jpg?zz=1
.
STOP ALL NEW CAR PRODUCTION NOW TO SAVE
http://yha-nthlei.hp.infoseek.co.jp/car.JPG
THE PLANET : LOOK TO CUBA FOR EXAMPLES
http://simplymarvelous.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/horse-car2.jpg
OF ECO-FRIENDLY HYBRID CARS -tic- ;;-}} ~ RHF
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EN58swFCmfY/SfiQt8MO5zI/AAAAAAAAAQY/A4SFDM9S9XM/s400/half-car-half-horse-458x346.jpg
.
* © This is another Copy-Righted 'Brain Fart' of RHF
-wrt- 'Brain Fart' -yeah- This Idea(s) Stinks -pew(pu)-
.
-ps- Please Excuse the Environmental Air Pollution
of this Post -wrt- Da 'Brain Fart'
.
.
>
> WHITE LEDs suck ... they're really a BLUE LED with
> a pinch of white phosphor material stuck on. The
> problem is that the phosphor has a limited - in
> some cases VERY limited - lifespan. Then your LED
> gets dim and/or takes on weird colors. Not really
> an issue for flashlights ... but for home lighting
> that's on for hours per day every day - problem.
>
> So why not use red + green + blue LEDs to get
> white ? First of all, each color uses a different
> voltage, complicating design. The processes used
> also vary, so making a sheet of alternating R/G/B
> emitters is a super pain in the ass.
>
- Finally, next time you're out and about, look at
- the LED lights in the traffic signals. Oh wait,
- you'll probably have trouble finding GREEN ones
- because GREEN LEDs are unreliable for some
- damned reason (I recall a Scientific American
- article a year or so ago explaining why). So,
- after a year, you'll have a Red/Nothing/Blue =
- icky purpleish light instead of a nice white light.
So why not use White LEDs with a Green Cover Lens :
in lieu of the Green LEDs - yes it is that simple ~ RHF
.
>
> The hope for LEDs lies in the "organic" variety
> that can literally be "printed" onto a plastic
> sheet using tech fairly close to an injet printer.
> They won't be AS bright as the old kind, and they
> won't last AS long ... but they'll be a lot CHEAPER
> so you can afford to replace dimming elements.
>
> Give these about another three to five years. By
> then the cost/performance/efficiency should be in
> the acceptable range.
HankG
"Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
news:2nmka69h1c7q5ppir...@4ax.com...
> RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sep 22, 5:45 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-
>>Everyth...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/22/2010 8:31 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > "Chas. Chan" <tianmei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:329da8ad-8726-42ff...@f26g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>> >> Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
>>> >> require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according
>>> >> to
>>> >> environmentalists.
>>>
>>> >> [...]
>>>
>>> >> light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way
>>> >> in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a
>>> >> flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom.
>>>
> your definition considerably.
>
> LEDs require precision engineering to make ... and
> that costs money and energy and toxic crap that has
> to be specially disposed.
>
> a pinch of white phosphor material stuck on. The
> problem is that the phosphor has a limited - in
> some cases VERY limited - lifespan. Then your LED
> gets dim and/or takes on weird colors. Not really
> an issue for flashlights ... but for home lighting
> that's on for hours per day every day - problem.
>
> So why not use red + green + blue LEDs to get
> white ? First of all, each color uses a different
> voltage, complicating design. The processes used
> also vary, so making a sheet of alternating R/G/B
> emitters is a super pain in the ass.
>
>
> that can literally be "printed" onto a plastic
> sheet using tech fairly close to an injet printer.
> They won't be AS bright as the old kind, and they
> won't last AS long ... but they'll be a lot CHEAPER
> so you can afford to replace dimming elements.
>
> Give these about another three to five years. By
> then the cost/performance/efficiency should be in
> the acceptable range.
Not meaning to hijack, but I am concerned that eventually, when I have no
choice but to use CFLs, my SW radio listening will suffer. It's my
understanding, that they contain a 'mini-starter' which emits RFI. I've
experienced problems from flourescent fixture starters that I've replaced
which will randomly blank out any AM transmissions. Flicking the light
switch off, then on corrects it temporarily.
Anyone comment on the CFLs?
HankG
>
D. Peter Maus
CFL's and long tubes can be radically different animals. One is a
linear noise source, so the attenuation with distance is
proportional, whereas CFL's represent, more or less, a point source,
so attenuation is proportional to the square of the distance. In
other words, CFL noise falls off more quickly.
CFL technology can also be quiet different than long tubes. And,
with a quality bulb, inherently lower noise.
Early CFL's were quite noisy. Current production CFL's tend to be
much quieter, although cheaply made CFL's can still produce small
amounts of noise. At a distance of a couple of meters, the noise is
not an issue, but cumulatively, they can raise the overall noise
floor in your location if many are used.
The good news is that cheap CFL's don't last very long, and must
be replaced often until they're gone.
The better news is that with an external antenna of some quality,
worked against a good ground, the raised noise floor can be both
avoided, and/or overcome.
>
>
RHF
Good News Wal*Mart Restocking Good Old Fashion Incandescent Light
Bulbs !
Oops one problem they are now Reduced Wattage
Incandescent Light Bulbs by Feit and GE
Old* - - - - - Feit* - - - - - GE*
100 Watt = 95 Watt = 90 Watt
75 Watt = 71 Watt = 67 Watt
60 Watt = 57 Watt = xx Watt
40 Watt = 95 Watt = 34 Watt
* All Rated at 750 Hour Life.
The New "Feit" Incandescent Light Bulbs
are ~5% less Watts
The New "GE" Incandescent Light Bulbs
are ~10% less Watts
? What About the Light Output in Lumens ?
Old Sylvania 100 Watt = 1710 Lumens
Old GE Reveal 100 Watt = 1300 Lumens
New Feit 95 Watt = 1625 Lumens
New GE 90 Watt = 1450 Lumens
-fwiw-
New GE 26 Watt CFL Daylight = 1750 Lumens
with a Rated at 8000 Hour Life
The tread seems to be to Reduce the Wattage
and the Light Output of the Incandescent Bulbs
and Keep the CFLs with the Higher Light Output
and Longer Life.
and that is the way i see it ~ RHF
.
.
cuh...@webtv.net
General Electric Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent Light Bulbs.
Next time, and every time I go shopping I will buy more General Electric
Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent Light Bulbs.
I don't want those sissy looking greasy kid stuff CFL light bulbs.I
prefer Real Light Bulbs.
cuhulin
dave
You are why there is mercury in your catfish.
cuh...@webtv.net
is no mercury in Mississippi Catfish.
http://www.devilfinder.com
Catfish Capital of the World
Lets go Fishin.
The Mississippi State Fair (in Jackson) starts today.
cuhulin
John Smith
> Mississippi Pond Raised Catfish.The Catfish Capital of the World.There
> is no mercury in Mississippi Catfish.
> The Mississippi State Fair (in Jackson) starts today.
> cuhulin
>
If you light up and toke on a big ole' bomber doobie of indica while
consuming mercury laden catfish, or just after the grub grab, the
effects of the mercury are nullified and you are good to go ... just to
be on the safe side, you could put away a couple of joints! ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
RHF
>cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
- - Yesterday morning, at the Lowe's store, I bought ten 8 to a pack,
- - General Electric Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent Light Bulbs.
- - Next time, and every time I go shopping
- - I will buy more General Electric
- - Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent Light Bulbs.
- - I don't want those sissy looking greasy kid stuff
- - CFL light bulbs.
- - I prefer Real Light Bulbs.
- - cuhulin
-You are why there is mercury in your catfish.
'Special Dave' you mean that Cuhulin is 'Chinese'
and part of the the Biggest Polluting Country/Nation
in the Whole Wide World - i d n k t ~ RHF
.
'Special Dave' -fyi- we don't call'em 'Catfish' anymore
Our Vietnamese Friends want us to call'em "Basa"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basa_fish
.
.
RHF
- Yesterday morning, at the Lowe's store,
- I bought ten 8 to a pack,
- General Electric Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent Light Bulbs.
- Next time, and every time I go shopping
- I will buy more General Electric Reveal 60 Watt
- Incandescent Light Bulbs.
- I don't want those sissy looking greasy kid stuff
- CFL light bulbs.
- Iprefer Real Light Bulbs.
- cuhulin
I did a side-by-side of 2 of the older GE Reveal 60 Watt
Incandescent Light Bulbs and 2 of the new GE Reveal
13 Watt {60W Replacement} CFL Bulbs :
1 - The Color was about the same to my good old
Human 'calibrated' Eye Balls,
2 - The Brightness was about the same to my good old
Human 'calibrated' Eye Balls,
very reveal-ing . . . ~ RHF
.
.
dave
dave
Which one takes longer to raise a blister if you firmly grasp it?
cuh...@webtv.net
but I am the reason.
cuhulin
RHF
> RHF wrote:
The 60W will give you your Heat Blister quicker.
However, if you Firmly Grasp a CFL Twister by
the thin Glass Tube end you will get a broken
glass and cut fingers in-an-instant - ouch ~ RHF
.
.
dave
Coal burning light bulbs
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.devilfinder.com
Radioactive Coal
The Grand Gulf nuke plant in Mississippi is going to add on a new
addition to the nuke plant.When they get it built and online, it will be
the largest nuke power plant in America.
http://www.devilfinder.com
New Coal power plant for Mississippi
They are still trying to get a new Coal power plant for Kemper County.
Us backwater hicks never give up.Us backwater hicks needs eleckstwicity
too.
cuhulin
.....................................................
I am the reason there is mercury in my Catfish.Huh, Meowwwwww,,,,,,
.....................................................
RHF
> RHF wrote:
>
> >> cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> > - - Yesterday morning, at the Lowe's store, I bought ten 8 to a pack,
> > - - General Electric Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent Light Bulbs.
> > - - Next time, and every time I go shopping
> > - - I will buy more General Electric
> > - - Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent Light Bulbs.
> > - - I don't want those sissy looking greasy kid stuff
> > - - CFL light bulbs.
> > - - I prefer Real Light Bulbs.
> > - - cuhulin
>
> > -You are why there is mercury in your catfish.
>
> > 'Special Dave' you mean that Cuhulin is 'Chinese'
> > and part of the theBiggestPollutingCountry/Nation
> > in the Whole Wide World - i d n k t ~ RHF
> > .
> > 'Special Dave' -fyi- we don't call'em 'Catfish' anymore
> > Our Vietnamese Friends want us to call'em "Basa"
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basa_fish
> > .
- Safeway/Vons sells American catfish.
Dave,
The local Twain Harte Market sells American Catfish
{that is Farm Raised in the USA}; Wild Salmon and
Basa among many other nice fishes to eat . . .
http://www.twainhartemarket.com/
+ Plus a real 'live' in-house Sushi Person too
++ The Twain Harte Certified Farmers Market
and the Farms of Tuolumne County
http://www.farmsoftuolumnecounty.org/
-otherwise- It's a 25 Mile RT down and back-up
the Grade to Sonora, CA to go to : Safeway,
SaveMart, Cost-U-Less {Mini Costco}, Price-Co
Foods, Grocery Outlet, Natures Whole Food
Depot etc . . .
Yes - I can Walk to the Twain Harte Market; and
stop at the Village Post Office along the way ~ RHF
-about- The Village of Twain Harte, CA
http://www.twainhartevillage.com/
http://www.twainhartevisitor.com/
http://www.twainhartecc.com/maps.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twain_Harte,_California
.
.
'Special Dave' just for you Revolution Broadcasting .Com
-host- Karen Tostado* : Talks About The Power of One
-wrt- Don't Buy !... Don't Comply !... Ask Why !
http://www.UnitedWeStrike.com
* Heard on 'The Power Hour' with Joyce Riley
http://www.thepowerhour.com/past_shows/schedule_10_04_2010.htm
Friday 8 OCT 2010 -topic- Change Your World
http://www.thepowerhour.com/
http://www.gcnlive.com/schedule.php
http://www.gcnlive.com/mediaPlayers/livePlayer.php
"The Power Hour" on WWCR Shortwave Radio on :
http://www.wwcr.com/program-guides/WWCR_Program_Guide.pdf
4,840 kHz at 07:00 ~ 10:00 UTC [M-F]
7,490 kHz at 12:00 ~ 15:00 UTC [M-F]
13,845 kHz at 12:00 ~ 15:00 UTC [M-F]
.
yes - i heard it on the shortwave radio
-so- just listen and learn ~ RHF
Twain Harte, CA
GS800+M Radio
.
.
dave
>
> Yes - I can Walk to the Twain Harte Market; and
> stop at the Village Post Office along the way ~ RHF
>
> -about- The Village of Twain Harte, CA
OK. I'm moving up there. Say hello to your new neighbor.
cuh...@webtv.net
Be keerful of what you wish for.
cuhulin
John Smith
You got a village idiot there? Any employment for dave?
Regards,
JS
RHF
> On 10/10/2010 1:09 PM, dave wrote:
>
> > RHF wrote:
>
> >> Yes - I can Walk to the Twain Harte Market; and
> >> stop at the Village Post Office along the way ~ RHF
- - - -about- The Village of Twain Harte, CA
- - OK. I'm moving up there.
- - Say hello to your new neighbor.
- You got a village idiot there?
- - Any employment for dave?
-
- Regards,
- JS
I already have that job locked-up ;-P ~ RHF
.