Icom R-75 question
Neil Bell
question is how does it do on BCB MW reception??
Is an external speaker really needed?
Neil Bell
Neil Bell
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Diverd4777
<neil...@notreally.att.net> writes:
>
>
>I know this radio has a great reputation for SW reception, My
>question is how does it do on BCB MW reception??
>
BCB
Hmmm.....
- OK
An external antenna helps;
but this is NOT IMHO a bcb heavy receiver;
It's designed NOT to really pick up BCB too well ( This eliminates overload)
you'd have to have Mods done to make it a BCB heavy set..
- However, I can usually pick up BCB stations ~1000 miles away..
>Is an external speaker really needed?
IMHO, yes...
Either headphones, or Computer-type speakers;
( I mean, No sense in Icom making a Huge cabinet with a Huge speaker
if you can
have a " here's the signal" internal speaker
& a port for a good set of external speakers;
~ Dan ~
>
>Neil Bell
>
>
Tony Meloche
Neil Bell wrote:
>
> I know this radio has a great reputation for SW reception, My
> question is how does it do on BCB MW reception??
It's very good - but I honestly feel it's no better than the
SuperRadio III in that regard (although that is very good, indeed).
Note I use it with a longwire - with a tunable loop, it might be even
better yet.
> Is an external speaker really needed?
The built-in speaker is OK for momentary monitoring. But if you
aren't a dedicated headphone user, yes - I would get an external
speaker. The little RCA 40-5000 that Radio Shack sells for around $20
is fine for the purpose.
Tony
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D. Kim
> Is an external speaker really needed?
The reviews I read before purchase did not sing any praises for the
IC-R75s speaker so I had mine shipped directly to Kiwa for the
following mods:
--synchronous detector upgrade
--audio upgrade
--high fidelity audio filter
--R75 filter module
The sound is just fine, though for obvious reasons I can't compare it
now to what is would have sounded like.
__________________
IC-R75 / CW 40LP
Yokosuka, Japan
Pete KE9OA
response across the whole tuning range. It is not the easiest mod, but it is
worth the effort.
Pete
D. Kim <stfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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RHF
Check-Out the Icom IC-R75 eGroup on YAHOO !
GoTo=> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icomr75/
Over 6300 Messages and almost 900 Members.
There is a whole series of Messages on
the AM/MW/BCB Attenuator Modifications.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icomr75/message/6334
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icomr75/message/6335
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icomr75/message/6336
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icomr75/message/5370
ihtthbh ~ RHF
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= = = Neil Bell <neil...@notreally.att.net>
= = = wrote in message news:<pcmuuvo1garlg5eqo...@4ax.com>...
> I know this radio has a great reputation for SW reception,
>
> My question is how does it do on BCB MW reception ? ?
>
> Is an external speaker really needed?
>
> Neil Bell
>
>
> Neil Bell
>
> For e-mail replies remove the "notreally."
>
.
Kenneth
> > question is how does it do on BCB MW reception??
>
>
> It's very good - but I honestly feel it's no better than the
> SuperRadio III in that regard (although that is very good, indeed).
> Note I use it with a longwire - with a tunable loop, it might be even
> better yet.
say about the R-75:Excellent ultimate selectivity and good dinamic
range for faint signals,Dsp with aut notch filter helps improve
intelligibility of some tough signals and reduce heterodyne.Two levels
pre-amp allows excellent sensitivity to weak signals.After the removal
of the MW attenuator [Pete's mod]my R-75 have .07 uv sensitivity
figure in the MW band.In your complaining you don't mention the
antenna you are using and this is one of the most neglected points in
Mw dxing.With a first rate antenna you can overcome most of your MW
receptions problems.You can try a Kiwa loop, Justice ant or quantum
loop [internal] or a external loop like the K9AY.
Bill Hennessy
Bill, N5NOB
Tony Meloche
Kenneth wrote:
>
> > > I know this radio has a great reputation for SW reception, My
> > > question is how does it do on BCB MW reception??
> >
> >
> > It's very good - but I honestly feel it's no better than the
> > SuperRadio III in that regard (although that is very good, indeed).
> > Note I use it with a longwire - with a tunable loop, it might be even
> > better yet.
> Good joke, but in serious here what one of the top reviewer have to
> say about the R-75:Excellent ultimate selectivity and good dinamic
> range for faint signals,Dsp with aut notch filter helps improve
> intelligibility of some tough signals and reduce heterodyne.Two levels
> pre-amp allows excellent sensitivity to weak signals.After the removal
> of the MW attenuator [Pete's mod]my R-75 have .07 uv sensitivity
> figure in the MW band.In your complaining
I didn't complain - I am very happy with the I-75's MW capabilities.
> you don't mention the
> antenna you are using
Yes, I did - I said I was using a 110'longwire.
> and this is one of the most neglected points in
> Mw dxing.With a first rate antenna you can overcome most of your MW
> receptions problems.You can try a Kiwa loop, Justice ant or quantum
> loop [internal] or a external loop like the K9AY.
I deduced myself that it would probably give even better performance
with a loop - didn't you read my response?
RHF
Never really heard that the Icon IC-R75
has had Quality Control Problems?
Amplify on what hese "QC" Prooblems Are - Please !
iwtk ~ RHF
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= = = "Bill Hennessy" <henn...@281.com>
= = = wrote in message news:<3ff03bee$0$31882$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>...
Diverd4777
never had a probelm with it.
Great radio..!
In article <e5e13af8.03122...@posting.google.com>,
Tony Meloche
Diverd4777 wrote:
>
> Bought an R-75, from Universal radio, had them install the DSP
> never had a probelm with it.
>
> Great radio..!
Mine works perfectly, and the tuner alignment is correct to within
2/100ths of a kilohertz. No complaints here.
Tony
>
> In article <e5e13af8.03122...@posting.google.com>,
> rhf-...@pacbell.net (RHF) writes:
>
> >
> >BH,
> >
> >Never really heard that the Icon IC-R75
> >has had Quality Control Problems?
> >
> >Amplify on what hese "QC" Prooblems Are - Please !
> >
> >iwtk ~ RHF
> >.
Pete KE9OA
but it is worth it. If anyone has any questions about it, feel free to
e-mail me.
Pete
RHF <rhf-...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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"Kenneth" <k1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Good joke,
RHF
Hello, Can You Reply ?
Please Amplify on these "QC" Problems of the Icom IC-R75.
OBTW - BH, Do You Own an RL Drake R8 Receiver . . .
jftfoi ~ RHF
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= = = rhf-...@pacbell.net (RHF)
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Telamon
stfr...@yahoo.com (D. Kim) wrote:
The tiny speaker the R75 has can't sound very good. If you are going to
spend the money for those modifications then spend a little more and buy
an external speaker.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
rhf-...@pacbell.net (RHF) wrote:
The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does have design
problems and is the reason people have the units modified.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
GrtPmpkin32
>spend the money for those modifications then spend a little more and buy
>an external speaker.
I'll agree with this point. I am a mostly-nighttime (bedroom) SWL and as such,
I use headphones exclusively, regardless of which radio(s) I'm playing with on
any given night. But, the few times I have used my R75 without phones, I
immediately set up external speakers with some EQ to get it to sound full
enough to seem 'real'... and this even after I had all modifications and
enhancements done (mostly by me, including installing Kiwa's synch upgrade,
which I simply bought from them and installed myself)... the R75's a fine radio
with phones, or with decent outboard speakers. But the tiny, front-firing stock
speaker isn't full enough to do the rest of the radio justice.
Linus
RHF
So had Icom come out with an R75A and R75B model like
the Drake R8A and R8B then it would be a good radio ?
IMHO: It's the R75's Mods that personalize the radio
and endears the R75 to it's owners.
~ RHF
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= = = Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
= = = wrote in message news:<telamon_spamshield-C...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>...
> In article <e5e13af8.03122...@posting.google.com>,
> rhf-...@pacbell.net (RHF) wrote:
>
> > BH,
> >
> > Never really heard that the Icon IC-R75
> > has had Quality Control Problems?
> >
> > Amplify on what these "QC" Problems Are - Please !
Telamon
rhf-...@pacbell.net (RHF) wrote:
> TELAMON,
>
> So had Icom come out with an R75A and R75B model like the Drake R8A
> and R8B then it would be a good radio ?
Maybe R75K
K for Kenneth I figure.
> IMHO: It's the R75's Mods that personalize the radio and endears the
> R75 to it's owners.
IÄ…m not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that must be modified
to work as advertised.
> = = = Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
> = = = wrote in message
> news:<telamon_spamshield-C...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>...
> > In article <e5e13af8.03122...@posting.google.com>,
> > rhf-...@pacbell.net (RHF) wrote:
> >
> > > BH,
> > >
> > > Never really heard that the Icon IC-R75
> > > has had Quality Control Problems?
> > >
> > > Amplify on what these "QC" Problems Are - Please !
> > >
> > > iwtk ~ RHF
> > > .
> > > .
> > > = = = "Bill Hennessy" <henn...@281.com>
> > > = = = wrote in message
> > > news:<3ff03bee$0$31882$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>...
> > > > Icom has quality control problems.
> > > > Thay work great, when thay work.
> > > >
> > > > Bill, N5NOB
> > > >
> >
> > The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does have design
> > problems and is the reason people have the units modified.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
Kenneth
> > R75 to it's owners.
> > = = = wrote in message
> to work as advertised.
For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and cost
$3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter does
not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise blanker not
effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B? Cost $1,495, This
one have a lot of flaws too,for example the power supply run very
hot,[a remedy is to use an external power supply],bassy sound
"virtually requieres a outboard speaker" [Passport],a cheap mechanical
encoder used to have an above -average failure rate [Why not an
optical one like in the AOR 7030+],a lot of birdies and background
hiss [from the syntetiser board and some Poor shielding and grounding
techniques ect ect ect.....My R75 cost only $450.00 with free DSP
included.It have installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters, Pete's
sensitivity mod,339 comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this mods
for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work better
than a R8B [and others expensive receivers] for dxing.
> > > The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does have design
DeWayne
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Telamon
k1...@hotmail.com (Kenneth) wrote:
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> > = = = Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
> > = = = wrote in message
>
> > IÄ…m not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that must be
> > modified to work as advertised.
> > The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does
> > have design problems and is the reason people have the units
> > modified.
> For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and cost
> $3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
> easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
> dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
> receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter does
> not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise blanker
> not effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B? Cost $1,495,
> This one have a lot of flaws too,for example the power supply run
> very hot,[a remedy is to use an external power supply],bassy sound
> "virtually requieres a outboard speaker" [Passport],a cheap
> mechanical encoder used to have an above -average failure rate [Why
> not an optical one like in the AOR 7030+],a lot of birdies and
> background hiss [from the syntetiser board and some Poor shielding
> and grounding techniques ect ect ect.....My R75 cost only $450.00
> with free DSP included.It have installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters,
> Pete's sensitivity mod,339 comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this
> mods for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work
> better than a R8B [and others expensive receivers] for dxing.
< snip >
The Ten Tec RX340, Drake R8B and AOR 7030 perform to their
specifications and function as expected based on the literature that
describe them. ICOM made the decision not to fix the R75 design problems
so people that want it to work right have to modify it. I consider the
R75 as described to be false advertising. Cost has nothing to do with
the issue of whether the radio performs as advertised.
I use all three radios with external bookshelf speakers or headphones
because they sound better than the internal ones. The internal speakers
are OK on all three radios.
The improvement an SE-3 would bring to the RX340 would not be worth the
money to me. I donÄ…t know where you got the information on static
crashes sounding worse than on other receivers. I have had no sign
spurious signals around 6 MHz either. All of the radios functions are
not available or even make sense in all modes of operation. All
functions are available and work as advertised. The noise blanker works
against some noise types and not others just like any other radio IÄ…ve
used.
The Drake R8B does not run hot. Warm would be the best description. I
have measured the case temperature to be just a few degrees above room,
which is perfectly normal for a unit with an internal power supply. It
is my understanding that ICOM has made several radios that you canÄ…t
keep your hand on however.
IÄ…m not going to drop $450 - $500 bucks on a radio that I need to hack
for the AGC and sync to work right and I disagree that even after doing
so the radio Å‚is betterË› than the Ten-Tec, Drake or AOR receivers that
is just your opinion not based on fact.
These days IÄ…m surprised someone has not sued ICOM.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
starman
The R8(x) transformer runs warmer than some receivers but in no way hot.
I've never heard of any failure of the transformer or associated AC
power supply components. The R75 doesn't have an internal power
transformer. It uses a wall wart, so it's not a fair comparison.
> (R8B) ,bassy sound "virtually requieres a outboard speaker" [Passport],
'Passport' was making the point that the R8 requires an external speaker
to fully appreciate it's audio quality but it's not mandatory. IMO- If
any receiver needs an external speaker it's the R75. The OEM speaker
sounds more like a cheap CB radio. The R75 sounds much better with an
external speaker but it's still not as good as an R8, particularly for
program listening.
> a cheap mechanical encoder used to have an above -average failure rate > [Why not an optical one like in the AOR 7030+]
The original R8 had an optical encoder. Drake says they changed it
because it had problems. Tests by myself and some others on this group
seem to indicate that the factory lubricant in the mechanical encoder is
the problem. After cleaning mine and relubing it with a synthetic
grease, it's been completely reliable for almost two years. I don't know
if Drake has made any changes in the OEM encoder lube in recent models.
The AOR-7030 also had problems with it's tuning encoder in the early
models.
> ,a lot of birdies and background hiss [from the syntetiser board and some > Poor shielding and grounding techniques ect ect ect.....
The early R8B (1997) had more birdies than expected for a receiver in
it's price class. The newer ones (since about 2000) have much fewer
birdies. I had a 97' and now have an 01', so I've heard the difference.
> My R75 cost only $450.00 with free DSP included. It have installed > 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters,
Those filters are not cheap. Take a look at Universal's website for the
prices.
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/0175.html
> sensitivity mod,339 comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this mods
> for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work better
> than a R8B [and others expensive receivers] for dxing.
There is no sync' mod for the R75 that makes it work as well as the
sync' on an R8B.
> The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does have design
> problems and is the reason people have the units modified.
> All receivers have design problems.
The design of any receiver is a compromise of cost vs. performance. I
prefer to pay more for a receiver that doesn't need many (if any) mod's,
than to pay less up front and then spend more time and money to get it
working acceptably.
BTW- I guess it was just a matter of time before this subject came
around again. I think it's clear who got it going. This will be my only
reply. I don't care who gets the last word.
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Kenneth
> > What about a Drake R8B? Cost $1,495, This one have a lot of flaws too,for > example the power supply run very hot,[a remedy is to use an external > power supply]
>
> The R8(x) transformer runs warmer than some receivers but in no way hot.
> I've never heard of any failure of the transformer or associated AC
> power supply components. The R75 doesn't have an internal power
> transformer. It uses a wall wart, so it's not a fair comparison.
attribute the problem to the "international voltages transformer" and
you wrote that you fix the problem using an external power supply.
outboard speaker" [Passport],
>
> 'Passport' was making the point that the R8 requires an external speaker
> to fully appreciate it's audio quality but it's not mandatory. IMO- If
> any receiver needs an external speaker it's the R75. The OEM speaker
> sounds more like a cheap CB radio. The R75 sounds much better with an
> external speaker but it's still not as good as an R8, particularly for
> program listening.
are satisfied using only an external speaker with it.It's not a nice
experience to try to do hardcore dxing with the R8B bassy sound and
background hiss from the synthesizer circuit.I read your post asking
Pete for help in this issue.
> > a cheap mechanical encoder used to have an above -average failure rate > [Why not an optical one like in the AOR 7030+]
>
> The original R8 had an optical encoder. Drake says they changed it
> because it had problems. Tests by myself and some others on this group
> seem to indicate that the factory lubricant in the mechanical encoder is
> the problem. After cleaning mine and relubing it with a synthetic
> grease, it's been completely reliable for almost two years. I don't know
> if Drake has made any changes in the OEM encoder lube in recent models.
> The AOR-7030 also had problems with it's tuning encoder in the early
> models.
drake for a pro one like the one in the R-75 and AOR 7030+.
> > ,a lot of birdies and background hiss [from the syntetiser board and some > Poor shielding and grounding techniques ect ect ect.....
>
> The early R8B (1997) had more birdies than expected for a receiver in
> it's price class. The newer ones (since about 2000) have much fewer
> birdies. I had a 97' and now have an 01', so I've heard the difference.
synthesizer board circuit interaction cause by poor shielding and
grounding techniques.
> > My R75 cost only $450.00 with free DSP included. It have installed > 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters,
>
> Those filters are not cheap. Take a look at Universal's website for the
> prices.
> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/0175.html
closeout sale] nice filters with very good skirt shape factor.
> > sensitivity mod,339 comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this mods
> > for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work better
> > than a R8B [and others expensive receivers] for dxing.
>
> There is no sync' mod for the R75 that makes it work as well as the
> sync' on an R8B.
sync det performance.The difference is that we do the sideband
selecting by hand not aut [using the 2.4khz filter and the twin PBT.]A
shortwave receiver is not only a receiver with a good Sync det[the
R8B sync det is not a perfect one]but a receiver with good
stability,good skirt shape filters[the discontinued drake R7 have
better filter skirts than the R8B [from passport R8B white papers],1hz
tunning steps like the R-75,some DSP feature,good
sensitivity,oustanding SSB mode [like the [R75],exceptional quiet
circuitry [that the R8B don't have], and the most neglected part a
good MW/SW antenna.
> > The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does have design
> > problems and is the reason people have the units modified.
>
> > All receivers have design problems.
>
> The design of any receiver is a compromise of cost vs. performance. I
> prefer to pay more for a receiver that doesn't need many (if any) mod's,
> than to pay less up front and then spend more time and money to get it
> working acceptably.
have an expensive receiver that don't have DSP,only one pre-amp [R-75
two],not tune in 1hz increments,not tune up to 60MHZ,cheap mechanical
encoder with high rate record of failure [you are the best witness
because you had an encoder failure],a lot of background hiss and noise
from the synthesizer circuit and "some birdies" a "Kmart" calculator
keypad and tunning Knob and for some of this flaws NOT MOD AVAILABLE.
> BTW- I guess it was just a matter of time before this subject came
> around again. I think it's clear who got it going. This will be my only
> reply. I don't care who gets the last word.
of performance.Maybe someone who read and believe without question
what Passport say about the R8B "It gets everything right"
Kenneth
>
> The R8(x) transformer runs warmer than some receivers but in no way hot.
> I've never heard of any failure of the transformer or associated AC
> power supply components. The R75 doesn't have an internal power
> transformer. It uses a wall wart, so it's not a fair comparison.
attribute the problem to the "international voltages transformer" and
you wrote that you fix the problem using an external power supply.
outboard speaker" [Passport],
>
> 'Passport' was making the point that the R8 requires an external speaker
> to fully appreciate it's audio quality but it's not mandatory. IMO- If
> any receiver needs an external speaker it's the R75. The OEM speaker
> sounds more like a cheap CB radio. The R75 sounds much better with an
> external speaker but it's still not as good as an R8, particularly for
> program listening.
are satisfied using only an external speaker with it.It's not a nice
experience to try to do hardcore dxing with the R8B bassy sound and
background hiss from the synthesizer circuit.I read your post asking
Pete for help in this issue.
>
> The original R8 had an optical encoder. Drake says they changed it
> because it had problems. Tests by myself and some others on this group
> seem to indicate that the factory lubricant in the mechanical encoder is
> the problem. After cleaning mine and relubing it with a synthetic
> grease, it's been completely reliable for almost two years. I don't know
> if Drake has made any changes in the OEM encoder lube in recent models.
> The AOR-7030 also had problems with it's tuning encoder in the early
> models.
drake for a pro one like the one in the R-75 and AOR 7030+.
>
> The early R8B (1997) had more birdies than expected for a receiver in
> it's price class. The newer ones (since about 2000) have much fewer
> birdies. I had a 97' and now have an 01', so I've heard the difference.
synthesizer board circuit interaction cause by poor shielding and
grounding techniques.
>
> Those filters are not cheap. Take a look at Universal's website for the
> prices.
> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/0175.html
closeout sale] nice filters with very good skirt shape factor.
> > for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work better
> > than a R8B [and others expensive receivers] for dxing.
>
> There is no sync' mod for the R75 that makes it work as well as the
> sync' on an R8B.
sync det performance.The difference is that we do the sideband
selecting by hand not aut [using the 2.4khz filter and the twin PBT.]A
shortwave receiver is not only a receiver with a good Sync det[the
R8B sync det is not a perfect one]but a receiver with good
stability,good skirt shape filters[the discontinued drake R7 have
better filter skirts than the R8B [from passport R8B white papers],1hz
tunning steps like the R-75,some DSP feature,good
sensitivity,oustanding SSB mode [like the [R75],exceptional quiet
circuitry [that the R8B don't have], and the most neglected part a
good MW/SW antenna.
> > problems and is the reason people have the units modified.
>
> > All receivers have design problems.
>
> The design of any receiver is a compromise of cost vs. performance. I
> prefer to pay more for a receiver that doesn't need many (if any) mod's,
> than to pay less up front and then spend more time and money to get it
> working acceptably.
have an expensive receiver that don't have DSP,only one pre-amp [R-75
two],not tune in 1hz increments,not tune up to 60MHZ,cheap mechanical
encoder with high rate record of failure [you are the best witness
because you had an encoder failure],a lot of background hiss and noise
from the synthesizer circuit and "some birdies" a "Kmart" calculator
keypad and tunning Knob and for some of this flaws NOT MOD AVAILABLE.
> around again. I think it's clear who got it going. This will be my only
> reply. I don't care who gets the last word.
Norskie Ned
>From: k1...@hotmail.com (Kenneth)
>Date: 1/1/2004 10:00 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <ecd15c2c.04010...@posting.google.com>
>
<Redundant BS Snip>
What's the frequency Kenneth?
Ya Sure, You Betcha.............
Olaf Tonder Johan Benjaminsen
Brimson, Minnesota
Kenneth
> > > The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does
> > > have design problems and is the reason people have the units
> > > modified.
>
> > For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and cost
> > $3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
> > easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
> > dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
> > receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter does
> > not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise blanker
> > not effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B? Cost $1,495,
> > This one have a lot of flaws too,for example the power supply run
> > very hot,[a remedy is to use an external power supply],bassy sound
> > "virtually requieres a outboard speaker" [Passport],a cheap
> > mechanical encoder used to have an above -average failure rate [Why
> > not an optical one like in the AOR 7030+],a lot of birdies and
> > with free DSP included.It have installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters,
> > Pete's sensitivity mod,339 comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this
> > mods for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work
>
>
> The Ten Tec RX340, Drake R8B and AOR 7030 perform to their
> specifications and function as expected based on the literature that
> describe them. ICOM made the decision not to fix the R75 design problems
> so people that want it to work right have to modify it. I consider the
> R75 as described to be false advertising. Cost has nothing to do with
> the issue of whether the radio performs as advertised.
But what about companies like Ten-tec and drake .Ten tec owners are
still waiting for the RX-350 sync det fixing and others flaws
fixing[check the complains in the RX-350 yahoo group].What about the
Ten Tec flaws that you can read in passport to world band? Why they
don't fix then? An now we are talking about a $3,999 receiver.What
about Drake R8b encoders,birdies,synthesizer circuit noise ect
ect,?All companies including Icom make excuses and try to compensate
with more advertizings in shortwave radio guides.But the difference
with Icom is that they decrease the R-75 price form $1,100 to $450.00
or $525.00 and are including a free DSP but Drake and others are
increasing the price of their receiver but they are not raising the
quality standards,.
> I use all three radios with external bookshelf speakers or headphones
> because they sound better than the internal ones. The internal speakers
> are OK on all three radios.
In the R-75 too.But I agree with you that ext speakers sound a lot
better.
> The improvement an SE-3 would bring to the RX340 would not be worth the
> money to me. I donÄ…t know where you got the information on static
> crashes sounding worse than on other receivers. I have had no sign
> spurious signals around 6 MHz either. I get the information from passport. All of the radios functions are
> not available or even make sense in all modes of operation. All
> functions are available and work as advertised. The noise blanker works
> against some noise types and not others just like any other radio IÄ…ve
> used.
I agree
> The Drake R8B does not run hot. Warm would be the best description. I
> have measured the case temperature to be just a few degrees above room,
> which is perfectly normal for a unit with an internal power supply. It
> is my understanding that ICOM has made several radios that you canÄ…t
> keep your hand on however.
A lot of R8B owners are using an external power supply now.The
internal "international voltage transformer" and internal power supply
circuit keep generating a lot of heat even if you turn off the
receiver.[I don't read this anywhere I had a R8B sometime ago.]
> IÄ…m not going to drop $450 - $500 bucks on a radio that I need to hack
> for the AGC and sync to work right and I disagree that even after doing
> so the radio Å‚is betterË› than the Ten-Tec, Drake or AOR receivers that
> is just your opinion not based on fact.
That's your privilege.My oppinion is based in the fact that I tested
both receivers for months and read almost all the reviews available
but I'm not expecting that you like my facts.
> These days IÄ…m surprised someone has not sued ICOM.
If the price increase more than $700.00 in the next months I will be
the first.
N8KDV
Kenneth wrote:
> starman <sta...@tech.net> wrote in message news:<3FF3CF79...@tech.net>...
> > > What about a Drake R8B? Cost $1,495, This one have a lot of flaws too,for > example the power supply run very hot,[a remedy is to use an external > power supply]
> >
> > The R8(x) transformer runs warmer than some receivers but in no way hot.
> > I've never heard of any failure of the transformer or associated AC
> > power supply components. The R75 doesn't have an internal power
> > transformer. It uses a wall wart, so it's not a fair comparison.
> It run very hot and you know it
Huh? What the hell do you consider 'very hot'?
RHF
"BTW- I guess it was just a matter of time before this subject
came around again. I think it's clear who got it going. This
will be my only reply. I don't care who gets the last word."
POF - Actually it all re-started when "BH" posted this and
never responded after two requests for details and facts.
* * * * B O M B S - A W A Y * * * *
Bill Hennessy (henn...@281.com)
Subject: Re: Icom R-75 question
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: 2003-12-29 11:40:58 PST
Icom has quality control problems.
Thay work great, when thay work.
Bill, N5NOB
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
wmcis ~ RHF
.
.
= = = starman <sta...@tech.net>
= = = wrote in message news:<3FF3CF79...@tech.net>...
Telamon
k1...@hotmail.com (Kenneth) wrote:
> > the money to me. I donšt know where you got the information on
> > static crashes sounding worse than on other receivers. I have had
> > no sign spurious signals around 6 MHz either.
> >
> > I get the information from passport.
> >
> > All of the radios functions are
> > not available or even make sense in all modes of operation. All
> > functions are available and work as advertised. The noise blanker
> > works against some noise types and not others just like any other
> > radio IÅ¡ve used.
> I agree
> > The Drake R8B does not run hot. Warm would be the best description.
> > I have measured the case temperature to be just a few degrees above
> > room, which is perfectly normal for a unit with an internal power
> > supply. It is my understanding that ICOM has made several radios
> > that you canšt keep your hand on however.
> A lot of R8B owners are using an external power supply now.The
> internal "international voltage transformer" and internal power
> supply circuit keep generating a lot of heat even if you turn off the
> receiver.[I don't read this anywhere I had a R8B sometime ago.]
> > IÅ¡m not going to drop $450 - $500 bucks on a radio that I need to
> > hack for the AGC and sync to work right and I disagree that even
> > after doing so the radio Å‚is betterË› than the Ten-Tec, Drake or AOR
> > receivers that is just your opinion not based on fact.
> That's your privilege.My oppinion is based in the fact that I tested
> both receivers for months and read almost all the reviews available
> but I'm not expecting that you like my facts.
> > These days IÅ¡m surprised someone has not sued ICOM.
> If the price increase more than $700.00 in the next months I will be
> the first.
People will only value your opinion depending on how close it resembles
reality.
Donšt worry yourself over whether I like what you post as long as it is
correct.
It is reasonable to differ over wants and needs but specifications or
facts are generally not arguable. If you misunderstand what someone has
wrote and continue to argue some point (several actually) as you have
been doing your credibility will be zero.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Mark Harper
@hotmail.com once wrote .......
> > > IMHO: It's the R75's Mods that personalize the radio and endears the
> > > R75 to it's owners.
> > > = = = Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
> > > = = = wrote in message
>
> > I雋 not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that must be modified
> > to work as advertised.
Why not just simply buy it - and see if you're happy with its performance
?
out of the box, the R-75 receives, and does so very well, its easy to
control, has a very intuitive operating system, and the fact that most of
the fiddly settings are in the menu (where you won't inadvertantly fiddle
with them) means you can use it out the box without reading the manual
(as its default settings are adequate)
the mods are simply to improve its performance, if the user wishes to do
so they're not compulsory - I'm more than happy with my vanilla R-75 -
runs OK for me - I may add the filters, and the DSP at a later date, but
for the moment. it does the job!
Of course - just MHO!
--
Mark
Telamon
Mark Harper <mar...@btopenworld.mapsoncom> wrote:
I'm glad you are happy with the R75 but I have read the manual and I
don't like the way the controls operate and there is the problem that
the AGC and sync circuits that either don't work or have performance
problems that ICOM will not address so I would be relegated to voiding
the warranty by modifying the radio. I would not be happy with an
unmodified R75 as you are.
The R75 has nothing new in the way of features or performance that I
already have with the other radios I own.
I would not call the way the squelch / RF gain knob operates as
intuitive and from reading the manual it seems to me a novice could
easily get the radio in a condition where nothing would be heard from
it or have the sound grossly distorted.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
CW
everyone a chance to test there scroll wheel.
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-D...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
Telamon
"CW" <clinton...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I've finally realized why some people like to bottom post. It's to give
> everyone a chance to test there scroll wheel.
<snip>
You know better. Kenneth messed up the formatting and I was not going to
spend the time to fix it seeing as I雋 already talking to a brick wall
on the R75. With some care taken you would have been able to read the
flow of the conversation top to bottom is the reason.
The result of not following this convention is that other people reading
the thread will not be able to follow who said what and the conversation
between two or more people will not make sense either.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
"I've finally realized why some people like to bottom post.
It's to give everyone a chance to test there scroll wheel."
This is what the "Google Groups - Posting Style Guide" has to say.
Summarize what you are following up.
When you follow up an existing article, Google Groups includes the
full article in quotes, with the cursor at the top of the article.
Tempting though it is to just start typing your message, please STOP
and do two things first. Look at the quoted text and delete parts that
are irrelevant. Then, go to the BOTTOM of the article and start typing
there. Doing this makes it much easier for your readers to get through
your post. They'll have a reminder of the relevant text before your
comment, but won't have to re-read the entire article. And if your
reply appears on a site before the original article does, they'll get
the gist of what you're talking about.
Cite appropriate references.
There Are NO Rights - There Are NO Wrongs - Its All A Matter Of STYLE
!
Most Times I 'post' On Top.
Some Times I 'post' within "=R="
I Seldom 'post' at the Bottom.
pms ~ RHF
= = = Pardon My Style :o)
.
.
= = = "CW" <clinton...@comcast.net>
= = = wrote in message news:<P9WdneS4a6_...@comcast.com>...
> I've finally realized why some people like to bottom post. It's to give
> everyone a chance to test there scroll wheel.
>
> "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:telamon_spamshield-D...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> > In article <ecd15c2c.0401...@posting.google.com>,
> > k1...@hotmail.com (Kenneth) wrote:
> >
> > > Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> > > news:<telamon_spamshield-8...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>.
> > >
.
- - - S N I P - - -
.
.
Kenneth
> > news:<telamon_spamshield-8...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>.
>
> > > > cost $3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
> > > > easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
> > > > dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
> > > > receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter
> > > > does not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise
> > > > blanker not effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B?
> > > > Cost $1,495, This one have a lot of flaws too,for example the
> > > > power supply run very hot,[a remedy is to use an external power
> > > > supply],bassy sound "virtually requieres a outboard speaker"
> > > > [Passport],a cheap mechanical encoder used to have an above
> > > > -average failure rate [Why not an optical one like in the AOR
> > > > 7030+],a lot of birdies and background hiss [from the synthesizer
> > > > board and some poor shielding and grounding techniques ect ect
> > fixing[check the complains in the RX-350 yahoo group].What about the
> > Ten Tec flaws that you can read in passport to world band? Why they
> > don't fix then? An now we are talking about a $3,999 receiver.What
> > about Drake R8b encoders,birdies,synthesizer circuit noise ect
> > ect,?All companies including Icom make excuses and try to compensate
> > with more advertizings in shortwave radio guides.But the difference
> > with Icom is that they decrease the R-75 price form $1,100 to $450.00
> > or $525.00 and are including a free DSP but Drake and others are
> > increasing the price of their receiver but they are not raising the
> > quality standards,.
>
> facts are generally not arguable. If you misunderstand what someone has
> wrote and continue to argue some point (several actually) as you have
> been doing your credibility will be zero.
tests and I did the research looking for others experiences,expert
reviews,an articles and after dozens of e-mails received from others
honest drake and ten tec owners that want to fix their receivers flaws
and not hide the facts [their receivers flaws] under the rug I react
to others postings.If you check the R-75 yahoo group you will see
honest owners sharing the pro and con of the R-75 and in the process
finding the answers and solutions to their radio few problems.The myth
of the perfect receiver without any flaw was found to be false.For
example check the passport reviews and see for yourself all the ten
tec 340 flaws that they found.If for you, passport credibility is zero
thats ok with me,but if you like to go to a group like this posting
about why you don't like the Icom receiver this is your privilege but
don't begin to groan and talk about "zero credibility" if someone
point out your own receiver faults.
Norskie Ned
>Date: 1/3/2004 7:05 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <ecd15c2c.04010...@posting.google.com>
>
What's the frequency Kenneth?
Ya Sure, You Betcha.............
Olaf Tonder Johan Benjaminssen
Brimson, Minnesota
Sel
>
> I'm glad you are happy with the R75 but I have read the manual and I
So, you haven't actually used or owned one? but you are happy to tell
others not to buy!
> The R75 has nothing new in the way of features or performance that I
> already have with the other radios I own.
And?
> I would not call the way the squelch / RF gain knob operates as
> intuitive and from reading the manual
See above.
it seems to me a novice could
> easily get the radio in a condition where nothing would be heard from
> it or have the sound grossly distorted.
This has never happened to me.
It seems to me you qualify for the title of expert. Someone who helps
people go wrong with confidence.
--
Sel ........ :)
Icom R-75 E
Icom PCR-1000
Sangean 909
Sangean 404
Uniden UBC9000XLT
Uniden UBC120XLT
CW
"RHF" <rhf-...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:e5e13af8.04010...@posting.google.com...
Telamon
k1...@hotmail.com (Kenneth) wrote:
I tried being polite and that didn't work so now I'll be more direct.
You have a reading comprehension problem. One radio (R75) does not meet
its published specifications and all the others in the discussion
(RX340, R8B, AOR7030+) do meet their stated specifications and function.
You read the manual and operate these three radios and you get what you
expect. You read the R75 manual and you don't get what you expect. If
that does not get through to you I give up. You have to modify the radio
to get it to work as described.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
Sel <s...@enternetnospam.co.nz> wrote:
> > Telamon wrote:
> >
> > I'm glad you are happy with the R75 but I have read the manual and I
>
> So, you haven't actually used or owned one? but you are happy to tell
> others not to buy!
Well Sel in a perfect world I would but I don't have unlimited time and
money so I've done the next best thing and researched it. I've read many
different people opinions that do own it, read the manual, read about
the design modifications to get the R75 up to speed.
> > The R75 has nothing new in the way of features or performance that I
> > already have with the other radios I own.
>
> And?
And what?
> > I would not call the way the squelch / RF gain knob operates as
> > intuitive and from reading the manual
>
> See above.
So what are you trying to say, that another aspect of the radio does not
follow the operation instructions in the manual?
> it seems to me a novice could
I didn't say a novice could not just that they could more easily get
themselves in trouble with the R75. I would not call the AOR7030+ a
beginner radio either.
> > easily get the radio in a condition where nothing would be heard from
> > it or have the sound grossly distorted.
>
> This has never happened to me.
Well good for you.
> It seems to me you qualify for the title of expert. Someone who helps
> people go wrong with confidence.
Thanks for conferring the title of expert upon me.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Pete KE9OA
AOR7030. Meets its specs? Maybe, but after 1 year of use, some unadvertised
"bonuses" were thrown in. The mode switches have developed bounce problems
which could have easily been addressed in software. The mechanical tuning
encoder has been noisy since day one, sometimes "scanning" the frequencies
on its own. The sensitivity is definitely not on a par with the R75. I don't
care what the unit is specified as; the MDS on the R75 is better. According
to Dave Zantos, the 7030 Plus isn't much better. On his sample unit, the
optical encoder shaft developed a wobble after about one year. His 7030 Plus
had a low level background noise on signals that wasn't present with the
7030. It is suspected that the removal of the shielding from the synthesizer
might be causing the problem.
I do have both the R75 and the AOR7030, and after two years, the R75 has not
had any problems surface.
If the 7030 wasn't a Christmas gift from my wife, I would have sold this
unit a long time ago.
On the subject of the R75, I know, the sync detector isn't the best in the
world, and the "large front mounted speaker" is a joke, but in terms of RF
handling, selectivity, etc, the R75 is a very good receiver.
Normally, I don't step into this kind of discussion, but sometimes, there is
more than meets the eye in this situation.
If anybody doesn't like the R75, that's fine...................still, it is
a fairly good receiver, especially for the 450 dollar price tag that this
unit is being sold for. Okay, the sync detector doesn't work. I remember the
NRD545 review a few years back. When the author of the article questioned
JRC about the ultimate rejection problem of the DSP section ,he was informed
that JRC didn't have any intention of addressing this problem. In another
thread in this newsgroup, I read that there was a mod to clean up the
"monkey chatter".
Pete
Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-8...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
starman
snipped
> On the subject of the R75, I know, the sync detector isn't the best in the
> world
Pete,
Have you thought about incorporating one of your sync' detector designs
to the R75? It might prove to be the ultimate sync' mod for it.
Kenneth
> AOR7030. Meets its specs? Maybe, but after 1 year of use, some unadvertised
> "bonuses" were thrown in. The mode switches have developed bounce problems
> which could have easily been addressed in software. The mechanical tuning
> encoder has been noisy since day one, sometimes "scanning" the frequencies
> on its own. The sensitivity is definitely not on a par with the R75. I don't
> care what the unit is specified as; the MDS on the R75 is better. According
> to Dave Zantos, the 7030 Plus isn't much better. On his sample unit, the
> optical encoder shaft developed a wobble after about one year. His 7030 Plus
> had a low level background noise on signals that wasn't present with the
> 7030. It is suspected that the removal of the shielding from the synthesizer
> might be causing the problem.
> I do have both the R75 and the AOR7030, and after two years, the R75 has not
> had any problems surface.
> If the 7030 wasn't a Christmas gift from my wife, I would have sold this
> unit a long time ago.
> On the subject of the R75, I know, the sync detector isn't the best in the
> world, and the "large front mounted speaker" is a joke, but in terms of RF
> handling, selectivity, etc, the R75 is a very good receiver.
> Normally, I don't step into this kind of discussion, but sometimes, there is
> more than meets the eye in this situation.
> If anybody doesn't like the R75, that's fine...................still, it is
> a fairly good receiver, especially for the 450 dollar price tag that this
Kiwa provides two major upgrades to the Synchronous Detector. Together
they provide enhanced performance where the PLL stays "locked" under
the most difficult signal conditions.The first upgrade is best
described as a "dual speed control voltage". The control voltage for
the PLL filter is tuned within an optimum window that is determined by
signal conditions.The response is slow to maintain a "centered"
condition. A second circuit provides the control accuracy to react to
fast flutter fading and noisey conditions. These two circuits provide
a dual speed control for the PLL.
The second major upgrade is to the Synchronous AM AGC. The dual speed
technique is used again to first center the AGC but still allow for
quick short changes in AGC characteristics as required by signal
conditions.In the yahoo R-75 group we have two other sync det mod
projects,one of this mods use a comparator[339]and work very good and
the cost is less than $7.00 for the total mod.I'm using your Pete's
[sensitivity mod] and now this receiver shine in the MW band.After did
your mod I tested it with a drake R8B and for hard core dxing the Icon
won hands down,thanks for the R75 exceptional quit circuitry,the help
of its nice DSP and your well designed sensitivity mod.
Kenneth
> Pete KE9OA wrote:
> snipped
>
> > On the subject of the R75, I know, the sync detector isn't the best in the
> > world
>
> Pete,
>
> Have you thought about incorporating one of your sync' detector designs
> to the R75? It might prove to be the ultimate sync' mod for it.
but not perfect Pete is a great designer and he inspired and working
very hard now in his sync det project.My own R-75 sync det [with a 339
comparator mod] is working for me an greatly reduce fading distortion
and diminishing and eliminating adjacent channel interference and is
sideband selectable [manually] using a 2.4 stock filter and selecting
manually [with the twin PBT] the less interfered of the two
sideband.Yes the R8b sync use a different aut sync circuity but if my
R75 sync det is working ok, then what is the motive for keep yearning
for the "ultimate sync"?
Telamon
<i8RJb.594198$0v4.23...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Pete KE9OA" <n.giana...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
What I find interesting about this discussion is that I can't express my
opinion on the R75 without people responding with complete illogic and
in addition they insist on adding to the meaning of what I wrote.
I made specific and clear reference to what I objected to as design and
not QC problems.
Whether another radio has QC problems or not has nothing to do with my
objections to the R75.
Whether or not someone has a different performance issue with another
radio has nothing to do with my objections on the R75 either.
The cost of another radio has nothing to do with my objections with the
R75. I don't care if it was offered for $45 bucks I don't want it. I'm
not a youngster and in the past I have taken the cheap route out of
necessity. Turns out I was never happy later on and found I was better
off waiting and saving for what I really wanted so the cost argument
falls on deaf ears.
So reading between the lines does that mean I think someone is an idiot
for buying this radio. No. The R75 has good things going for it and some
people are willing to overlook my objections or fix them. Fine with me
that's their decision.
The R75 modified or not works well for people that use it in a way that
does not interest me. Modified or not the R75 will not work as well as
the radios I own in the way I use them, which is program listening.
I prefer working on antenna performance instead of buying a radio I
would to modify to suit my preferences. Those are my preferences,
opinion and I don't think people that differ from it are nuts.
Well Kenneth it you keep on making false statements thatÄ…s what you will
have Å‚zero credibility.Ë› And it does not help your arguments to redirect
issues either. Try staying on point.
> > I tried being polite and that didn't work so now I'll be more direct.
> > You have a reading comprehension problem. One radio (R75) does not meet
> > its published specifications and all the others in the discussion
> > (RX340, R8B, AOR7030+) do meet their stated specifications and function.
> > You read the manual and operate these three radios and you get what you
> > expect. You read the R75 manual and you don't get what you expect. If
> > that does not get through to you I give up. You have to modify the radio
> > to get it to work as described.
> >
> > --
> > Telamon
> > Ventura, California
>
>
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
Keep dreaming about making the R75 sync as well as the R8B. And be sure
to show some objective tests when you get a chance.
I traded in a R8 for an R8B for the design improvements in the sync
circuits.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
How Effective are these Modifications to the Icom IC-R75 Owner ?
{ The Icom IC-R75 Question -&- The Question of the Icom IC-R75 }
I guess that there is value, Value. and VALUE !
"value," = Simple Cost of an Product or Service.
"Value." = Cost and Benefit = Cost Benefit Analysis (CBA).
"VALUE !" = The 'personal' "Value" that an Individual or
a Group places on, or assigns to, a Product or Service.
(The Social Dynamic {Status} of the Purchase and Ownership.)
EXAMPLE: Drake R8_ Owners -=V=- Icom R75 OWNERS.
* The Drake R8_ Owner may have the better radio out of
the box and takes pride in owning a higher prices radio.
TBL: The Drake R8_ has "Value."
* The Icom R75 OWNER gets a lower cost radio and does,
or has done, some Modifications to the basic radio.
The Icom R75 now becomes "MY ICOM R75" the Icom R75 Owner
becomes and "OWNER" and through the Modification Process
developes a 'personal' Relationship with HIS "R75".
TBL: The Icom R75 has "VALUE !" to the Icom R75 "OWNER".
Sort-a-Like Automobiles:
* The 'average' "New Car" Owner Likes their New Car and
Enjoys Driving It. (Has the Status that a New Car Confers.)
* The 'individual' who OWNS and Older Restored Car
from the 1950s - 1960s (The Golden Age of Automobiles)
has a 'personal' "Relationship" with MY CAR.
TBL: Love It -or- Hate It = ITS "MY" CAR !
The Psychology of Ownership
- - - = = = V = = = - - -
The Psychosis of OWNERSHIP !
(YES - It's a Fine Madness !)
awc? ~ RHF
= = = Are We Communicating ?
.
.
= = = rhf-...@pacbell.net
= = = (RHF) wrote in message news:<e5e13af8.04010...@posting.google.com>...
>
> STARMAN,
>
> "BTW- I guess it was just a matter of time before this subject
> came around again. I think it's clear who got it going. This
> will be my only reply. I don't care who gets the last word."
>
> POF - Actually it all re-started when "BH" posted this and
> never responded after two requests for details and facts.
>
> * * * * B O M B S - A W A Y * * * *
> Bill Hennessy (henn...@281.com)
> Subject: Re: Icom R-75 question
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
> Date: 2003-12-29 11:40:58 PST
> Icom has quality control problems.
> Thay work great, when thay work.
> Bill, N5NOB
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> wmcis ~ RHF
> .
> .
= = = starman <sta...@tech.net>
= = = wrote in message news:<3FF3CF79...@tech.net>...
All receivers have design problems.
The design of any receiver is a compromise of cost vs. performance.
I prefer to pay more for a receiver that doesn't need many (if any)
mod's, than to pay less up front and then spend more time and money
to get it working acceptably.
BTW- I guess it was just a matter of time before this subject came
around again. I think it's clear who got it going. This will be my only
reply. I don't care who gets the last word.
.
D. Kim
> > IC-R75s speaker so I had mine shipped directly to Kiwa for the
> > following mods:
> >
> > --synchronous detector upgrade
> > --audio upgrade
> > --high fidelity audio filter
> > --R75 filter module
> >
> > The sound is just fine, though for obvious reasons I can't compare it
> > now to what is would have sounded like.
>
> The tiny speaker the R75 has can't sound very good. If you are going to
> spend the money for those modifications then spend a little more and buy
> an external speaker.
That was my intent all along before I actually got it and listened to
it with the mods. Now I'm not really in a hurry as the sounds if
fine. When dx'ng I plug in my Grado SR80 headphones. I find it more
useful to read opinons from ppl who have actually used a product.
Kiwa's synch upgrade is top notch and I second the positive comments
for this mod. Had no qualms with sending my unit directly to Kiwa as
after several e-mails back and forth between Kiwa and iCOM they pretty
much said that the warranty would still be good as long as the mods
were done "cleanly". ymmv.
Kenneth
>
> > I can't comment on some of these receivers, but I can comment on the
> > AOR7030. Meets its specs? Maybe, but after 1 year of use, some unadvertised
> > "bonuses" were thrown in. The mode switches have developed bounce problems
> > which could have easily been addressed in software. The mechanical tuning
> > encoder has been noisy since day one, sometimes "scanning" the frequencies
> > on its own. The sensitivity is definitely not on a par with the R75. I don't
> > care what the unit is specified as; the MDS on the R75 is better. According
> > to Dave Zantos, the 7030 Plus isn't much better. On his sample unit, the
> > optical encoder shaft developed a wobble after about one year. His 7030 Plus
> > had a low level background noise on signals that wasn't present with the
> > 7030. It is suspected that the removal of the shielding from the synthesizer
> > might be causing the problem.
> > I do have both the R75 and the AOR7030, and after two years, the R75 has not
> > had any problems surface.
> > If the 7030 wasn't a Christmas gift from my wife, I would have sold this
> > unit a long time ago.
> opinion on the R75 without people responding with complete illogic and
> in addition they insist on adding to the meaning of what I wrote.
both] is not expresing his oppinion he is talking about a real life
AOR 7030 vs R75 experience.
> I made specific and clear reference to what I objected to as design and
> not QC problems.
340 design problems too.
>
> The cost of another radio has nothing to do with my objections with the
> R75.
some savings too and I had the R8b in my shack but I know that with a
good antenna the R75 can pick-up and make inteligible any SW/MW/
signal in the air and in my test outperformed the drake in hardcore
dxing.I think that the R75 low price and nice performance is not good
news to owners of expensive receiver who believed that a low cost
receiver mean poor performance.I remember that the early R75 price was
about $1,100 sometime ago.
> So reading between the lines does that mean I think someone is an idiot
> for buying this radio. No. The R75 has good things going for it and some
> people are willing to overlook my objections or fix them. Fine with me
> that's their decision.
saving a lot of moneys without sacrifice performance.
> The R75 modified or not works well for people that use it in a way that
> does not interest me. Modified or not the R75 will not work as well as
> the radios I own in the way I use them, which is program listening.
scientific fact but I respect it.
> > > > don't begin to groan and talk about "zero credibility" if someone
> > > > point out your own drake R8B and ten tec 340 receiver faults.
>
> Well Kenneth it you keep on making false statements thatÄ…s what you will
> have Å‚zero credibility.Ë› And it does not help your arguments to redirect
> issues either. Try staying on point.
Why not go to passport to world band radio page 158 and read for
yourself the ten tec 340 flaws? What not check the R8b articles and
this group archives reports about others R8B owners postings about the
r8b birdies,synthesizer noise,cheapy encoder,background hiss,filters
shape factors good but not excellent [for a receiver in this price]
ect ect.If I'm wrong then I'm in good company.Who is the one that are
making false statement now? Your only defence is to talk about
credibility but everyone following this treads know that 1 year ago
when I pointed to the internal R8b tranformer heat ,encoder
failures,and synthesizer noise you and others R8B owner start to claim
about credibility issues but now all those guys are running their r8B
with an external power supply,looking for shielding and grounding
techniques for its synthesizer noise and some had problems with the
mechanical encoder.
Llgpt
>Date: 1/4/2004 8:42 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <ecd15c2c.0401...@posting.google.com>
Most of us who own R8B receivers used an external dc power supply, I have used
one for many, many years going back to Drake R7A and JRC NRD series. Nothing
new there, you talk as though you invented this idea when you "pointed" that
out........
Take your medications and calm down Kenneth, the world isn't coming to an end.
Les
Telamon
> Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
<snip>
> > Well Kenneth it you keep on making false statements thatÄ…s what you
> > will have Å‚zero credibility.Ë› And it does not help your arguments
> > to redirect issues either. Try staying on point.
> Why not go to passport to world band radio page 158 and read for
> yourself the ten tec 340 flaws? What not check the R8b articles and
> this group archives reports about others R8B owners postings about
> the r8b birdies,synthesizer noise,cheapy encoder,background
> hiss,filters shape factors good but not excellent [for a receiver in
> this price] ect ect.If I'm wrong then I'm in good company.Who is the
> one that are making false statement now? Your only defence is to talk
> about credibility but everyone following this treads know that 1 year
> ago when I pointed to the internal R8b tranformer heat ,encoder
> failures,and synthesizer noise you and others R8B owner start to
> claim about credibility issues but now all those guys are running
> their r8B with an external power supply,looking for shielding and
> grounding techniques for its synthesizer noise and some had problems
> with the mechanical encoder.
Your credibility is Z E R O. You are not in good company. You are off in
some part of space where logic and reading comprehension don't exist.
The thread is "ICOM R75 question" not Ten-Tec or Drake or AOR.
You are wrong and can't win the argument so you will point your finger
at something else. This also results in your not staying on topic.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
stfr...@yahoo.com (D. Kim) wrote:
Can't argue with the logic of putting greater weight behind someone零
opinion that owns the radio but the small speaker in a metal box just
isn't going to compare a bookshelf speaker or quality headphones. I
think this is a pretty safe assumption to make.
How sure are you about the warranty still being in force? How would Icom
be expected to fix a radio that is modified in some way? This would not
be a safe assumption to make.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
phil :)
hi Neil:
Kiwa offers Pete's MW mod but even without it the R75 MW SSB sensitivity is
2.0 uV [pre-amps OFF]. external noise on MW is ~10 dBuV [3.16 uV]. antenna
is critical on MW: indoors get a Quantum QX loop or build a 34" square box
loop, outdoors a K9AY (need 40' square) or beverages. get an external
speaker; the internal is small and covered with plastic to resist dust
entry.
hi Telamon:
> I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that
> must be modified to work as advertised.
no problem. but aren't you this electronics guru? imagine a machine shop
owner buying his car based on stock horsepower while balking at someone
bolting on a supercharger. what can you hear on your RX340 that you cannot
on your R8B? on an R75? please site specific specs. we all know the answer
and that is why the R75 is now one of the best selling tabletops.
hi Starman:
> I've never heard of any failure of the transformer or
> associated AC power supply components.
strawman argument? there are no failures, there are alignments.
> The R75 sounds much better with an external speaker but it's
> still not as good as an R8, particularly for program listening.
the modded R75 has fidelity, working SAM, and a better filter for SAM
sideband selection.
> There is no sync' mod for the R75 that makes it work as
> well as the sync' on an R8B.
says who? the guy who in 2002 said the R75 had "no synchronous selectable
sideband" then in 2004 said DUH "synchronous selectable sideband actually
being somewhat functional". the guy who in 2003 could not get a Kiwa modded
R75 to review but in 2004 sited "exceptionally fast turnaround"? the guy
who stated "added crispness marginally improves audio" but got the wrong
audio mod? the guy who "forgot" the "1/2" on the Kiwa modded R75's rating?
> I prefer to pay more for a receiver that doesn't need many
> (if any) mod's, than to pay less up front and then spend
> more time and money to get it working acceptably.
spend time doing what? the work has already been done. you send Kiwa a
radio and an $80 check. who knows, maybe 2004 will be the year you fix the
R8B's synthesizer with encoder lubricant.
regards,
phil
phil :)
> Your credibility is Z E R O. You are not in good company. You are off in
> some part of space where logic and reading comprehension don't exist.
>
> The thread is "ICOM R75 question" not Ten-Tec or Drake or AOR.
>
> You are wrong and can't win the argument so you will point your finger at
> something else. This also results in your not staying on topic.
damn Telamon, i laughed out loud when i read this, what a classic! you're
really fired up.
regards,
phil
Pete KE9OA
The quasi-sync detector has been the best sounding one so far, but it is no
better than the TDA1572's balanced detector.
The 4046/SA602 detector still needs some work.................I think that
Phase Detector 2 is unsuitable for this purpose. I need to use Phase
Detector 1, which shifts the VCO by 90 degrees. This could work, if I can
come up with a suitable phase shift network.
I just completed the intial design of the AD607 based sync detector, and
boy, does this one have problems! When I am tuned to center channel, the
system howls, but if I detune to either LSB or USB, everything is ok. This
circuit is based on Mike Murphys application note from Analog Devices. It
just may work out, with some fine tuning. This has been the best iteration
so far. Analog Devices has eliminated the AGC detector in the latest
versions of the AD607, whereas Mr. Murphy's design is based on one of the
older versions that does have this detector. I do have some samples of the
older version, so I will throw that on the board tomorrow, and see how it
works out.
Those sync detectors have been the hardest part of this radio design!
Compared to my current iterations, the Icom R75 sync detector is a gem. This
gives you an idea of just how bad my sync detectors are! I'll get them
running.........they are only a collection of parts!
Pete
starman <sta...@tech.net> wrote in message
news:3FF7E1E3...@tech.net...
Pete KE9OA
attenuator from my FGR 100B. This also turned out to be a good MW receiver,
but the FRG100B has that cheap sounding audio, and the AGC attack is a bit
slow. One of these days, when I get the time, I will dig into it and make
some changes.
That fellow at Kiwa sounds like a pretty sharp fellow; he has some
worthwhile mods, including his filter upgrades.
Pete
Kenneth <k1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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starman
> Those sync detectors have been the hardest part of this radio design!
> Compared to my current iterations, the Icom R75 sync detector is a gem. This
> gives you an idea of just how bad my sync detectors are! I'll get them
> running.........they are only a collection of parts!
You're learning why so few receivers have been made with a good sync'
detector.
Keep up the good work.
Pete KE9OA
R76!
Pete
phil :) <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:opr1acg9...@10.0.0.1...
D. Kim
> be expected to fix a radio that is modified in some way? This would not
> be a safe assumption to make.
I don't like to ass_u_me either!
Rick KB1KIL
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> In article <ecd15c2c.0401...@posting.google.com>,
> k1...@hotmail.com (Kenneth) wrote:
>
> > Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> > ..
> > > > > The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does
> > > > > have design problems and is the reason people have the units
> > > > > modified.
> > >
> > > > For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and
> > > > cost $3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
> > > > easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
> > > > dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
> > > > receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter
> > > > does not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise
> > > > blanker not effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B?
> > > > Cost $1,495, This one have a lot of flaws too,for example the
> > > > power supply run very hot,[a remedy is to use an external power
> > > > supply],bassy sound "virtually requieres a outboard speaker"
> > > > [Passport],a cheap mechanical encoder used to have an above
> > > > -average failure rate [Why not an optical one like in the AOR
> > > > 7030+],a lot of birdies and background hiss [from the synthesizer
> > > > board and some poor shielding and grounding techniques ect ect
> > > > installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters, Pete's sensitivity mod,339
> > > > comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this mods for less than
> > > > $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work better than a
> > > > R8B [and others expensive receivers] for hard core dxing.
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > The Ten Tec RX340, Drake R8B and AOR 7030 perform to their
> > > specifications and function as expected based on the literature
> > > that describe them. ICOM made the decision not to fix the R75
> > > design problems so people that want it to work right have to modify
> > > it. I consider the R75 as described to be false advertising. Cost
> > > has nothing to do with the issue of whether the radio performs as
> > > advertised.
> > But what about companies like Ten-tec and drake .Ten tec owners are
> > still waiting for the RX-350 sync det fixing and others flaws
> > fixing[check the complains in the RX-350 yahoo group].What about the
> > Ten Tec flaws that you can read in passport to world band? Why they
> > don't fix then? An now we are talking about a $3,999 receiver.What
> > about Drake R8b encoders,birdies,synthesizer circuit noise ect
> > ect,?All companies including Icom make excuses and try to compensate
> > with more advertizings in shortwave radio guides.But the difference
> > with Icom is that they decrease the R-75 price form $1,100 to $450.00
> > or $525.00 and are including a free DSP but Drake and others are
> > increasing the price of their receiver but they are not raising the
> > quality standards,.
> > > headphones because they sound better than the internal ones. The
> > > internal speakers are OK on all three radios.
> > In the R-75 too.But I agree with you that ext speakers sound a lot
> > better.
> > > The improvement an SE-3 would bring to the RX340 would not be worth
> > > the money to me. I donšt know where you got the information on
> > > static crashes sounding worse than on other receivers. I have had
> > > no sign spurious signals around 6 MHz either.
> > >
> > > I get the information from passport.
> > >
> > > All of the radios functions are
> > > not available or even make sense in all modes of operation. All
> > > functions are available and work as advertised. The noise blanker
> > > works against some noise types and not others just like any other
> > > radio IÅ¡ve used.
> > I agree
> > > The Drake R8B does not run hot. Warm would be the best description.
> > > I have measured the case temperature to be just a few degrees above
> > > room, which is perfectly normal for a unit with an internal power
> > > supply. It is my understanding that ICOM has made several radios
> > > that you canšt keep your hand on however.
> > A lot of R8B owners are using an external power supply now.The
> > internal "international voltage transformer" and internal power
> > supply circuit keep generating a lot of heat even if you turn off the
> > receiver.[I don't read this anywhere I had a R8B sometime ago.]
> > > IÅ¡m not going to drop $450 - $500 bucks on a radio that I need to
> > > hack for the AGC and sync to work right and I disagree that even
> > > after doing so the radio Å‚is betterË› than the Ten-Tec, Drake or AOR
> > > receivers that is just your opinion not based on fact.
> > That's your privilege.My oppinion is based in the fact that I tested
> > both receivers for months and read almost all the reviews available
> > but I'm not expecting that you like my facts.
> > > These days IÅ¡m surprised someone has not sued ICOM.
> > If the price increase more than $700.00 in the next months I will be
> > the first.
>
> People will only value your opinion depending on how close it resembles
> reality.
>
> Donšt worry yourself over whether I like what you post as long as it is
> correct.
>
> It is reasonable to differ over wants and needs but specifications or
> facts are generally not arguable. If you misunderstand what someone has
> wrote and continue to argue some point (several actually) as you have
> been doing your credibility will be zero.
>
> Telamon
> Ventura, California
I own a R75 and have no complaints. It performs to my satisfaction and I
listen to regularly. As for quality control, it was never an issue with this
one. I've had the radio almost a year and listen to it daily with not one
glitch. I've never had any modifications done either. The only thing added
was the dsp unit.
73's
Rick
Drake R8 R8B
ICOM R75
Yaesu 7700
Hammarlund SP-600-JX-17
"If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?"
Kenneth
>
> > yourself the ten tec 340 flaws? What not check the R8b articles and
> > this group archives reports about others R8B owners postings about
> > the r8b birdies,synthesizer noise,cheapy encoder,background
> > hiss,filters shape factors good but not excellent [for a receiver in
> > this price] ect ect.If I'm wrong then I'm in good company.>
> some part of space where logic and reading comprehension don't exist.
flaws findings report copies for free.Because you don't have the facts
then you are using other resourses like personal attacks to the
messager and ignoring [hiding under the rug]the message [about the
drake R8B and ten tec 340 flaws].You talk about credibility but the
liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed but that
he cannot believe anyone else.Your logic is the art of going wrong
with confidence.
> The thread is "ICOM R75 question" not Ten-Tec or Drake or AOR.
questions about the R75 to actual Icom R75 owners.Then you gave your
personal oppinion [no sustained with facts]an we only are reacting to
it.
> You are wrong and can't win the argument so you will point your finger
> at something else. This also results in your not staying on topic.
that I,m wrong ok, not problem, but in all my posting in this tread I
included others reviewers and articles data and you only talk about
your personal oppinions that I respect but differ.Your baseless
statement "Your credibility is Z E R O" is a pathetic scream from
someone seized in a denial state.
Kenneth
> hi Neil:
>
> Kiwa offers Pete's MW mod but even without it the R75 MW SSB sensitivity is
> 2.0 uV [pre-amps OFF]. external noise on MW is ~10 dBuV [3.16 uV]. antenna
> is critical on MW: >
>
> > I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that
> > must be modified to work as advertised.
>
> bolting on a supercharger. what can you hear on your RX340 that you cannot
> on your R8B? on an R75? please site specific specs. we all know the answer
> and that is why the R75 is now one of the best selling tabletops.
> hi Starman:
>
> > I've never heard of any failure of the transformer or
> > associated AC power supply components.
>
> strawman argument? there are no failures, there are alignments.
service guys.Any 101 course electronic technician knows that extreme
heat near delicated component can change its critical tolerance and
with that the need for aligments.Why do you think the drake service
dept is so famous?.
speaker but it's
> > still not as good as an R8, particularly for program listening.
>
> the modded R75 has fidelity, working SAM, and a better filter for SAM
> sideband selection.
better and clear with its quiet circuitry .
work as
> > well as the sync' on an R8B.
>
> says who? the guy who in 2002 said the R75 had "no synchronous selectable
> sideband" then in 2004 said DUH "synchronous selectable sideband actually
> being somewhat functional". the guy who in 2003 could not get a Kiwa modded
> R75 to review but in 2004 sited "exceptionally fast turnaround"? the guy
> who stated "added crispness marginally improves audio" but got the wrong
> audio mod? the guy who "forgot" the "1/2" on the Kiwa modded R75's rating?
start in the R75 rating [see passport site]only by a "coincidence"?
NAHHHHHH we all are too mature to believe in silly "coincidences" like
that.Like einstein said God don't play dice.This guy was the same that
said in a Grundig advertisement "the sat 800 is the most powerfull
radio in the world" and about the R8B "it get everything right".
> > I prefer to pay more for a receiver that doesn't need many
> > (if any) mod's, than to pay less up front and then spend
> > more time and money to get it working acceptably.
>
> spend time doing what? the work has already been done. you send Kiwa a
> radio and an $80 check. who knows, maybe 2004 will be the year you fix the
> R8B's synthesizer with encoder lubricant.
they are working in their radios having fun and saving some service
money.If you know how to solder and have a good magnifier your
sync/agc mod cost can be less than $10.00.
Mark S. Holden
> <snip>
> > hi Starman:
> >
> > > I've never heard of any failure of the transformer or
> > > associated AC power supply components.
> >
> > strawman argument? there are no failures, there are alignments.
> Yes expensive friendly [$$$$$] aligments from Mr Drake an his nice
> service guys.Any 101 course electronic technician knows that extreme
> heat near delicated component can change its critical tolerance and
> with that the need for aligments.Why do you think the drake service
> dept is so famous?.
Extreme heat? My R8 ran warm enough that the cats liked to snuggle up to it.
Ever compare the case of an R8 series radio with a similar sized set that uses tubes?
I suspect the reason the Drake service department is famous is if you call them up with a question, they treat you like a valued customer. They sent me an owners manual for the R8 I bought used for free.
Since these mods are well known, simple and inexpensive, why hasn't the factory hasn't gotten around to incorporating them into the design?
It would eliminate almost every complaint people have about the radio.
I think the answer is not enough owners have complained.
Telamon
wrote:
I go for the entertainment value.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
wrote:
<snip>
> hi Telamon:
>
> > I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that
> > must be modified to work as advertised.
>
> no problem. but aren't you this electronics guru? imagine a machine shop
> owner buying his car based on stock horsepower while balking at someone
> bolting on a supercharger. what can you hear on your RX340 that you cannot
> on your R8B? on an R75? please site specific specs. we all know the answer
> and that is why the R75 is now one of the best selling tabletops.
I would not call myself a guru but being in the work force a few decades
in various capacities in electronics technology I have well rounded
experience.
I haven't noticed anything that the RX340 can pick up that the R8B can't
hear. Usually the RX340 can make a station sound better but other times
the R8B does better depending on conditions. The radios are all on
different antennas, which make for a different reception condition so I
am not generally comparing them.
I would not be buying a new car and modifying it either. An older out of
warranty car could be a different story. In my youth I was into street
racing and did just that.
Some people just don't understand that anything manufactured has
engineering compromises built in. Each radio when designed has a slew of
compromises where one performance parameter is diminished in favor of
another. The result is that depending on situation and conditions one
radio will do better than another. Change the situation or conditions
and the other radio does better so which is best?
You generally get what you pay for. Spend more money on a radio and you
can get higher quality components resulting in better specifications,
reliability, capabilities or operational features.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Kenneth
Remember that cats have 9 lives.
sized set that uses tubes?
heat tolerance than the R8 mini IC's,cap,resistors ect.Do you know
that a lot of capacitor in a tube set can work with more than 400v
applied? What about a tube set resistors? Do you ever see a huge 10
watts one?
> I suspect the reason the Drake service department is famous is if you call them up with a question, they treat you like a valued customer. They sent me an owners manual for the R8 I bought used for free.
God before the bill arrive.For sure they are very friendly [$$$$]
people and sometimes send some owners manuals for free.Remember that
you can find a lot of receivers manuals for free [online].
> > The R75 sounds much better with an external
> > speaker but it's
> > > > still not as good as an R8, particularly for program listening.
> > >
> > > the modded R75 has fidelity, working SAM, and a better filter for SAM
> > > sideband selection.
> > With an external speaker and the Phidelity mod the sound is much
> > better and clear with its quiet circuitry .
> > > radio and an $80 check. who knows, maybe 2004 will be the year you fix the
> > > R8B's synthesizer with encoder lubricant.
>
> Since these mods are well known, simple and inexpensive, why hasn't the factory hasn't gotten around to incorporating them into the design?
>
> It would eliminate almost every complaint people have about the radio.
Yes and with that the elimination of the $450.00 [free DSP]offer for a
radio with a list price of $1,100.
> I think the answer is not enough owners have complained.
We are complaining but at the same time designing new and easy
upgrades for it and now we have a champ that can compete with any
radio in the market.
N8KDV
What we need is a trade war with Japan! ;-)
Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers"
"I don't have to bother myself with modificatons either"
http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm
Kenneth
> > > must be modified to work as advertised.
> >
> > no problem. but aren't you this electronics guru? imagine a machine shop
> > owner buying his car based on stock horsepower while balking at someone
> > bolting on a supercharger. what can you hear on your RX340 that you cannot
> > on your R8B? on an R75? please site specific specs. we all know the answer
> > and that is why the R75 is now one of the best selling tabletops.
>
> hear. Usually the RX340 can make a station sound better but other times
> the R8B does better depending on conditions. The radios are all on
> different antennas, which make for a different reception condition so I
> am not generally comparing them.
up" anything that your ten tec RX 340 [$4,000]hear,then my Icon R-75
[$450=$70.00 in mods=$520.00]can run side by side with your expensive
Ten Tec [because my R-75 was better [in a real life side by side test]
in hard core dxing than my R8b [sold after that].
> I would not be buying a new car and modifying it either. An older out of
> warranty car could be a different story. In my youth I was into street
> racing and did just that.
mercedez [ten tec 340]
> Some people just don't understand that anything manufactured has
> engineering compromises built in. Each radio when designed has a slew of
> compromises where one performance parameter is diminished in favor of
> another. The result is that depending on situation and conditions one
> radio will do better than another. Change the situation or conditions
> and the other radio does better so which is best?
got it.
> You generally get what you pay for. Spend more money on a radio and you
> can get higher quality components resulting in better specifications,
> reliability, capabilities or operational features.
specifications? Tell me about your ten tech RX-340 dynamic range
/IP3[5khz]or blocking capacity.
N8KDV
Kenneth wrote:
>
> I agree with you 99.9% That was my point in all this tread.At last you
> got it.
Another tip Kenneth: If you need new treads, I recommend Goodyear.
Kenneth
this days and sometimes I forgot a letter or some coma. But I'm a
fortunate man I have you at my service as my personal secretary and
the nice thing is that I don't have to pay you anything...
Kenneth
> Holland, MI
> Drake R7, R8 and R8B
> "I swear by, not at, Drake receivers"
> "I don't have to bother myself with modificatons either"
flaws [synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy
encoder,K'mart keypad ect ect [yes,I agree, for the funny tunning
knob there is a remplacement available]. .....About the "running very
hot" problem , you did the right thing with adding an external AC
adaptor,Yes,you are learning very fast.
> http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm
Ken
DeWayne
> Perhaps the best way to solve the ICOM R75 problem is to contact the
Federal Trade Commission and ask them why ICOM is dumping their receivers in
the USA at a greatly discounted price.
>
> What we need is a trade war with Japan! ;-)
A little late don't you think? What about China?
DeWayne
DeWayne
I have an R75 and like it very much, but I have also owned an R8B and loved
it! All of the problems you're magnifying are extremely minor, except for
the encoder. It seems to me that you are bashing the R8B because it's
American made.
DeWayne K9KZ
> > http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm
> Ken
N8KDV
Kenneth wrote:
Sorry for you. At this time no modifications are available for the R8B
flaws [synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy
encoder,K'mart keypad ect ect [yes,I agree, for the funny tunning
knob there is a remplacement available]. .....About the "running very
hot" problem , you did the right thing with adding an external AC
adaptor,Yes,you are learning very fast.
And just when did I ever say I used an external AC adapter with either my R8 or my R8B?
As for the modifications to same, has it ever occurred to you, pea brain, that if the modifications truely, and let me emphasise the word TRUELY, needed to be performed, then someone would have come up with a way to do them?
You 'seem' to know a 'little bit' about electronics, so I guess I have to ask the question of why you seem to be so inclined to perform so many mods on the R75, and never seem to have done any on the R8B and/or R8 that you once claim to have owned?
I don't know about you, but I've certainly done my share of DXing, and I've used quite a few different receivers in the past. I can tell you from experience that there's no way I'd trade my Drakes for an R75. Used one here long enough to realise it's just not the receiver it's made out to be. And as I've pointed out before, the gentleman who was kind enough to bring it here for comparison testing felt the same way I do, and promptly sold it and bought an R8B. And since then I believe he's purchased an R8.
Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
 "I swear by, not at, Drake receivers"
   "I don't have to bother myself with modifications either"
gil
the R-75's lousy AM audio, my question is...what is it that makes it so poor
on AM....bad choice of filters by Icom or lack of something?
By contrast, I have an Icom 718 that has real nice audio on AM and SSB.
Gil
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Amen!
Les
RHF
and High Promotion in the USofA.
The basis of a Federal Trade Commission FTA "Dumping" Charge is
that the origination country is placing the Item (Product and/or
Service) For Sale at 'below' their Actual Cost of Manufacturing,
Transportation and Distribution (a loss).
I 'think' that if the "Facts" were known: Icom is selling the
Icom IC-R75 in the USofA at small profit (not a loss).
Therefore, there would be NO basis for an FTA "Dumping" Charge.
(Maybe other countries should be asking WHY Icom is Pricing the
Icom IC-R75 so High outside the USofA.)
So... The Question becomes at the 'relatively' "High Prices" that
the Icom IC-R75 is being sold at in the "Rest-of-the-World (ROTW).
How Much Profit is Icom making on each Icom IC-R75 in ROTW ?
The PLAN - A "World Wide Marketing Plan" for Icom may be that
Half [ 1/2 ] or more of the Total World Sales are in the USofA
and "What Sells in the USofA" market's itself to the ROTW.
First - Assuring a High Volume of Sales in the USofA with a
Profit Margin that provides for "Recapturing ALL of Icom's
Manufacturing Costs for the Total World Wide Production Run.
NOTE: The Icom IC-R75 is heavily promoted in the USofA by Icom
'offering' the "FREE" DSP with the Purchase of the Icom IC-R75.
Second - All ROTW Sales a 'pure' "Profit" for Icom; excluding
Transportation Costs. The ROTW has to BUY the DSP at "Extra Cost".
TBL: The Icom IC-R75 is a "Winner" for Icom and a High Profit
Product Center in its Global (USofA and ROTW) Marketing Plan.
TRADE WAR: We (the USofA) and Japan have always been in a 'cold'
Trade War over Imports and Exports between the two countries.
{ That is the Nature of International Trade between Nations. }
IIRC: It use to be that many Products were 'charged' an In-Country
Consumer "Luxury Tax" inside Japan and then the MITA would "Rebate"
this Tax to a Manufacture for Each Exported Product.
Again IIRC: This use to be a 15% Tax per Item and a 5% Rebate
per Item; Which would cause a 20% difference in an Items Price
inside of Japan and in the ROTW.
TBL: Japanese Consumers were subsidizing Exports and Exports
could be bought outside of Japan for a Lower Cost then inside Japan.
This was common practice in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s to the
best of my knowledge. I don't know if this is still going on
today or not ? ? ?
wictb... ~ RHF
= = = When It Comes To Business...
It Does Not Take An MBA - To Pick Somebody's Pocket !
.
.
= = = N8KDV <n8...@nospam.iserv.net>
= = = wrote in message news:<3FFAC9F8...@nospam.iserv.net>...
Perhaps the best way to solve the ICOM R75 problem is to contact
the Federal Trade Commission (FTA) and ask them why ICOM is
dumping their receivers in the USA at a greatly discounted price.
What we need is a trade war with Japan! ;-)
Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers"
"I don't have to bother myself with modificatons either"
http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm
.
.
GrtPmpkin32
>> flaws [synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy
>> encoder,K'mart keypad ect ect
I am, like DeWayne, the happy owner of an R75, AND I owned a Drake R8B for
three years. The R8B is an awesome receiver, and the problems you're blowing
all out of proportion are as DeWayne says, minor and infrequent (I never ONCE
had a problem with the encoder or tuning knob)...
I have been following your (Kenneth's) current run of tirades for a few days
now, and don't really know what your point has been all along.
Yes, I tend to champion the R75 when discussing it with fellow (or soon-to-be)
SWL's for its price range, performance, and overall flexibility for most users.
I enjoy electronics and enhancing my gear if needed, and enjoyed thoroughly the
process of upgrading the R75 to a more capable receiver than it already was. I
did everything myself and spent MAYBE another $40 after all was said and done,
so FOR ME and MY wallet, it was a great choice of radio.
But that doesn't mean I excuse Icom for making some poor choices in components
and circuit design, nor do I excuse them for advertising as *working* a few
features which simply *don't work* without fixing by the user or Kiwa. Does
this mean I hate the radio? Hell no.
I take Telamon's (and others who feel as he does) opinions and comments to be
sincere and well-meaning, and accurate. There ARE plenty of SWL's who won't
spend $500 for a radio they need to spend either more money or more time on to
get working as advertised, and I can't blame them. And I don't see them flaming
ME for WANTING to own and enhance the radio, do I? He's just stating his
educated opinion and HIS personal preference for purchasing the radios HE wants
to use, based on what I find to be sound reasoning. Why, therefore, do you
INSIST on arguing with people who don't want to own an R75?
The Drake R8B also has its fair share of detractors, but unlike your posts
here, they tend to state a few LOGICAL reasons why they don't wish to buy an
R8B, any one of which makes SENSE compared to your 'facts' given here. And even
if the R8B's 'flaws' were indeed numerous and frequent, HOW IN HELL does that
have ANY effect on anyone's opinion of how well-made the R75 is?
Apples/oranges, who cares?
How can Telamon be 'wrong' in having a preference in radios? How can YOU be
'right' for owning an R75? It seems to me like you're rather sophomorically
creating and extending an argument for no other reason than to 'defend'
something which needs no defense (a radio product) or simply watch yourself
type.
Like a few teen-minded defenders of some dubious radio products in this
newsgroup's past (can anyone say TT?) you're being ridiculous, and show it more
with every heated, self-defensive post about differing OPINIONS and
preferences.
I would give you the same advice I have received and have given others:
Quit looking for black-and-white in radios. It will NEVER exist.
Linus
Telamon
"gil" <gi...@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote:
> Been contemplating on getting a R-75 and have done a lot of reading about
> the R-75's lousy AM audio, my question is...what is it that makes it so poor
> on AM....bad choice of filters by Icom or lack of something?
> By contrast, I have an Icom 718 that has real nice audio on AM and SSB.
It looks to me that that the radio was designed to be a good SSB
receiver and the AM was an after thought. It can work well for AM as
long as you don't care about audio fidelity. This is not a broadcast
listeners radio.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
k1...@hotmail.com (Kenneth) wrote:
Why don't you tell us? Your answer should be far more entertaining than
anything I could come up with seeing how "I got it" only yesterday.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
HFguy
>
> >> Sorry for you. At this time no modifications are available for the R8B
> >> flaws [synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy
> >> encoder,K'mart keypad ect ect
>
> I am, like DeWayne, the happy owner of an R75, AND I owned a Drake R8B for
> three years. The R8B is an awesome receiver, and the problems you're blowing
> all out of proportion are as DeWayne says, minor and infrequent (I never ONCE
> had a problem with the encoder or tuning knob)...
> I have been following your (Kenneth's) current run of tirades for a few days
> now, and don't really know what your point has been all along.
That was the most sensible reply on this subject that I've ever seen.
Congratulations Linus.
Kenneth
>
> I have an R75 and like it very much, but I have also owned an R8B and loved
> it! All of the problems you're magnifying are extremely minor, except for
> the encoder. It seems to me that you are bashing the R8B because it's
> American made.
Yes R8B flaws [synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy
encoder,K'mart keypad ect ect [yes,I agree, for the funny tunning
knob there is a remplacement available]. .....receiver "running very
hot" even turned off ect ect....
Drake R8B "extremely minor problems" and you sold it and now have a R-75?
N8KDV
Kenneth wrote:
LOL, ANY problem the R8 series has is INDEED minor when compared to the GLARING flaws in the R75
design...
Kenneth
> Kenneth wrote:
>
> > Sorry for you. At this time no modifications are available for the R8B
> > flaws [synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy
> > encoder,K'mart keypad ect ect [yes,I agree, for the funny tunning
> > knob there is a remplacement available]. .....About the "running very
> > hot" problem , you did the right thing with adding an external AC
> > adaptor,Yes,you are learning very fast.
>
> And just when did I ever say I used an external AC adapter with either my
> R8 or my R8B?
> that if the modifications truely, and let me emphasise the word TRUELY,
> needed to be performed, then someone would have come up with a way to do
> them?
correct word is truly.
don't know "a little bit" about electronics.Everybody know that you
are the "genius" here.
inclined to perform so many mods
> on the R75, and never seem to have done any on the R8B and/or R8 that you
> once claim to have owned?
need to work with grounding and shielding new tehniques [for the
birdies,background hiss and synthesizer phase noise] a pro optical
encoder and better filters with better shape skirt factor [like the
ones in the drake R7], 1hz increments tunning steps,better keypad and
tunning knob and a nide DSP ect ect... not an easy task .
> I've used quite a few different receivers in the past. I can tell you from
>used one here long enough And as I've pointed out before, the
gentleman who was kind enough to
> bring it here for comparison testing felt the same way I do, and promptly
> sold it and bought an R8B. And since then I believe he's purchased an R8.
for a radio novel.
Kenneth
> Been contemplating on getting a R-75 and have done a lot of reading about
> the R-75's lousy AM audio, my question is...what is it that makes it so poor
> on AM....bad choice of filters by Icom or lack of something?
> By contrast, I have an Icom 718 that has real nice audio on AM and SSB.
audio with suitable outboard speaker".The internal speaker have a
humidity and dust plastic protection cover.
Rick KB1KIL
I own 2 Drakes and an Icom R75. I have no complaints about either radio.
I think it's human nature to nit pick, and do the "my radio is better than
yours" argument.
It's been a staple in the ng's and even in the old bbs days when I used to
frequent the FIDO Groups.
--
73's
Rick
Drake R8 & R8B
ICOM R75
Yaesu 7700
Hammarlund SP-600-JX-17
"If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?"
N8KDV
Kenneth wrote:
> >
> > And just when did I ever say I used an external AC adapter with either my
> > R8 or my R8B?
> Check RRS archives.....
I suggest you go find it...
>
> > As for the modifications to same, has it ever occurred to you, pea brain,
> > that if the modifications truely, and let me emphasise the word TRUELY,
> > needed to be performed, then someone would have come up with a way to do
> > them?
> Hey "respetable gentleman","truely" is not the correct word the
> correct word is truly.
You've failed to answer my question.
>
> You 'seem' to know a 'little bit' about
> electronics, Yes you are correct here I
> don't know "a little bit" about electronics.Everybody know that you
> are the "genius" here.
> > ask the question of why you seem to be so
> inclined to perform so many mods
> > on the R75, and never seem to have done any on the R8B and/or R8 that you
> > once claim to have owned?
> The R8B need a new design not some mods.My suggetions are that they
> need to work with grounding and shielding new tehniques [for the
> birdies,background hiss and synthesizer phase noise] a pro optical
> encoder and better filters with better shape skirt factor [like the
> ones in the drake R7], 1hz increments tunning steps,better keypad and
> tunning knob and a nide DSP ect ect... not an easy task .
Not an easy task huh? Should be 'easy' for someone with your technical 'prowess'. And still, you've not really answered my question.
> Yes "the kind misteriously and gentleman R75 man" again.Nice story
> for a radio novel.
Well Kenneth, you're already on your way in writing the fictional "R75-Great Radio" novel...
Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers"
"Drake, the DXer's choice"
"Drake, when you care to listen with the very best"
N8KDV
Kenneth wrote:
> Everybody know that you
> are the "genius" here.
Certainly not a genius, but perhaps just a little more well versed than you in actually 'using' a radio receiver.
Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
DeWayne
"Kenneth" <k1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ecd15c2c.04010...@posting.google.com...
> "DeWayne" <k9...@indy.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<yyFKb.715$Hf....@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
> > "Kenneth" <k1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ecd15c2c.04010...@posting.google.com...
>
> >
> > I have an R75 and like it very much, but I have also owned an R8B and
loved
> > it! All of the problems you're magnifying are extremely minor, except
for
> > the encoder. It seems to me that you are bashing the R8B because it's
> > American made.
>
> Yes R8B flaws [synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy
> encoder,K'mart keypad ect ect [yes,I agree, for the funny tunning
> knob there is a remplacement available]. .....receiver "running very
> hot" even turned off ect ect....
> Drake R8B "extremely minor problems" and you sold it and now have a R-75?
I sold my R8B because I needed the money. Not because I didn't love it
because I did! The R75 is the best choice for the money for me at this time.
I am retired with three members of my family in college. I would LOVE to
have another R8B. Just a note about Icom's encoders. I have been hearing on
the ham bands that they are having a nightmare with the encoders in their
high priced transceivers.
DeWayne
Kenneth
> I am, like DeWayne, the happy owner of an R75, AND I owned a Drake R8B for
> three years. The R8B is an awesome receiver, and the problems you're blowing
> all out of proportion are as DeWayne says, minor and infrequent (I never ONCE
> had a problem with the encoder or tuning knob)...
encoder with high failure rate,NO DSP,no 1hz tunning steps
increments,K'mart keypad,poor grounding and shielding techniques,not
pro filters[with excellent shape factor skirts selectivity,notch
filter does not tune under 500hz,run very hot even turned off ect ect
If you want to call this "minor" and "infrequent" problems this is your privilege.
> now, and don't really know what your point has been all along.
another point is: a moded receiver can surpass in hard core dxing a
most expensive receiver.
>discussing it with fellow (or soon-to-be)
> SWL's for its price range, performance, and overall flexibility for most users.
unlike your posts
> here, they tend to state a few LOGICAL reasons why they don't wish to buy an
> R8B, any one of which makes SENSE compared to your 'facts' given
logical reasons? I keep with my scientific side by side test facts an
leave the "logic reasoning" to the studious.
>defenders of some dubious radio products
defend their radios, what the problem with that.? you're being
ridiculous, and show it more
> with every heated, self-defensive post about differing OPINIONS and
> preferences.
group archives,experts articles,I did the side by side test and for me
your reaction is only a failed intent to sweep the facts under the
rug.
>advice I have received and have given others:
> Quit looking for black-and-white in radios. It will NEVER exist.
right" commercial advertisement is only a nice myth.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kenneth
> GrtPmpkin32 wrote:
> >
> > >> Sorry for you. At this time no modifications are available for the R8B
> > >> flaws [synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy
> > >> encoder,K'mart keypad ect ect
> >
> > I am, like DeWayne, the happy owner of an R75, AND I owned a Drake R8B for
> > three years. The R8B is an awesome receiver, and the problems you're blowing
> > all out of proportion are as DeWayne says, minor and infrequent (I never ONCE
> > had a problem with the encoder or tuning knob)...
> > I have been following your (Kenneth's) current run of tirades for a few days
> > now, and don't really know what your point has been all along.
> snipped
>
> That was the most sensible reply on this subject that I've ever seen.
> Congratulations Linus.
Yes, I agree... My R8B is a miserable failure as well. Certain parts of
the HF band are totally useless for weak signal work because of the
birdies spaced every 1.5 kc or so. For just a couple of extra bucks
invested in shielding and separate boards they could have had a nice
clean receiver---but Drake was more interested in the profit margin.
I also had the same argument with Drake concerning the birdies. One
fellow did ask if they were in the amateur band and after I said no he
said that's OK!
Besides the other problems I've been having with the R8B a new one just
surfaced; the audio gain control is getting scratchy causing all manner
of grief when I adjust it---guess I need to replace it (only 2 year old)
along with a bunch of other stuff.
A classic.
Eric F. Richards
> GrtPmpkin32 wrote:
> >
> > >> Sorry for you. At this time no modifications are available for the R8B
> > >> flaws [synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy
> > >> encoder,K'mart keypad ect ect
> >
> > I am, like DeWayne, the happy owner of an R75, AND I owned a Drake R8B for
> > three years. The R8B is an awesome receiver, and the problems you're blowing
> > all out of proportion are as DeWayne says, minor and infrequent (I never ONCE
> > had a problem with the encoder or tuning knob)...
> > I have been following your (Kenneth's) current run of tirades for a few days
> > now, and don't really know what your point has been all along.
> snipped
>
> That was the most sensible reply on this subject that I've ever seen.
> Congratulations Linus.
>
HFguy beat me to it, Linus. That's the first rational reply on the
subject. The R-75 I had was a fine receiver -- to a point -- but now
that I've sold it, I won't miss it at all.
As for the religious wars... what can I say? After a year and a half
away, an R-75 war breaks out and phil pops back in.
--
Eric F. Richards, efr...@dim.com
"Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940
N8KDV
N8KDV
Kenneth wrote:
>
> Yes sensible like this one :
> Yes, I agree... My R8B is a miserable failure as well. Certain parts of
> the HF band are totally useless for weak signal work because of the
> birdies spaced every 1.5 kc or so. For just a couple of extra bucks
> invested in shielding and separate boards they could have had a nice
> clean receiver---but Drake was more interested in the profit margin.
Again Kenneth, if it's so simple, why haven't you fixed it?
N8KDV
Kenneth wrote:
> grtpm...@aol.com (GrtPmpkin32) wrote in message news:<20040106213305...@mb-m29.aol.com>...
>
> > I am, like DeWayne, the happy owner of an R75, AND I owned a Drake R8B for
> > three years. The R8B is an awesome receiver, and the problems you're blowing
> > all out of proportion are as DeWayne says, minor and infrequent (I never ONCE
> > had a problem with the encoder or tuning knob)...
> synthesizer phase noise,background hiss,birdies,cheapy mechanical
> encoder with high failure rate,NO DSP
You actually think the DSP in the R75 is worth anything?
> ,no 1hz tunning steps
> increments,K'mart keypad,poor grounding and shielding techniques,not
> pro filters[with excellent shape factor skirts selectivity,notch
> filter does not tune under 500hz,run very hot
One again, another question you refuse to answer. Just what do you consider to be 'very hot'?
Can you answer even one question Kenneth?
GrtPmpkin32
>logical reasons? I keep with my scientific side by side test facts an
>leave the "logic reasoning" to the studious.
That's obvious.
>They have the the freedom to
>defend their radios, what the problem with that.?
I never said there was a 'problem' with freedom to express opinions (and I find
it amazing, as usual, that I get the tired 'censorship' accusation from yet
another teen-minded champion of personal pride of ownership), but if you would
care to go back into the archives and read through a fraction of the myriad
threads over who's got the better product and who's an idiot for NOT buying
said product, you'd know that your position and churlish attitude is neither
new, nor constructive.
>I did the side by side test and for me
>your reaction is only a failed intent to sweep the facts under the
>rug.
Here lies the core of the whole 'my rig's better than your rig' pissing
contest.
You admitted already that you leave logic to others, and are not using logic in
your current strand of posts, so I'll make this easier for you.
There's a HUGE difference between your singular, personal experiences with a
given product and someone else's reviews of the same thing versus any actual
FACTS. What you are attempting to do (illogically, as you admit) is portray
your opinion, and a handful of other's opinions, as FACTS to prove your
position in some blown-up (and utterly needless) debate over your radio. The
books and periodicals you mention as scientific proof are still derived from
personal experiences, and while I often refer to the same books and articles
for input and advice, I do not consider anything told to me (beyond basics like
dimensions, weight, frequency range, etc.) as FACTS. MY personal experiences
(are you spotting the lesson here yet?) with many products have differed quite
dramatically than the opinions and 'facts' expressed in those articles quite
often.
You have a personal agenda to defend your radio, which seems silly to me.
There's a difference between having real facts, and simply displaying a
churlish, personal-pride-of-ownership temper tantrum. ANYONE can point to
articles both pro- and con- regarding ANY product you care to mention... and
NONE of those articles, pro- or con-, can change YOUR personal experience and
preferences.
>At last you got it;all radios have pro's and flaws."Get everything
>right" commercial advertisement is only a nice myth.
If you really believed what you're saying all through this, you would have
simply not replied to Telamon's personal opinion, since it was EXACTLY that:
His statement of flaws of the radio in question, which IN *HIS* OPINION, helped
him decide NOT to purchase the radio.
ANYTHING beyond that is pointless.
I like my R75, and I liked my R8B, and have had not a single problem with
either of them. You seem to have gotten a dud.
Linus
N8KDV
Kenneth wrote:
>
> My R8B flaws facts "no give sense" compared with other
> logical reasons? I keep with my scientific side by side test facts an
> leave the "logic reasoning" to the studious.
Would someone please step forward and translate the above?
Eric F. Richards
> You have a personal agenda to defend your radio, which seems silly to me.
> There's a difference between having real facts, and simply displaying a
> churlish, personal-pride-of-ownership temper tantrum.
Hello... phil?