HFCC discussions on future of DRM
Brenda Ann
"From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale)
system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
scale, beyond the current experimental stage........there are no plans
from any large manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
Full report, item 2 at:
<http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-radio.html>http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-radio.html
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Say no to institutionalized interference.
Just say NO to HD/IBOC!
RHF
- HFCC discussions on future of DRM
-
- "From both formal and informal discussions among participants
- at the HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (Digital
- Radio Mondiale) system, that would have converted analogue
- Shortwave to digital, FM like quality reception would hardly be
- implemented if ever on a large scale, beyond the current
- experimental stage........there are no plans from any large
- manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
-
- Full report, item 2 at:
-
- <http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-
ra...>http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-
gospel-ra...
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- --
- Say no to institutionalized interference.
-
BAD,
Unless 80 Plus governments around the World are going
to Build, Buy and Distribute {Give-Away-Free} the new
DRM Radios to the 85% of Shortwave Radio Listeners
who can not afford them : Then DRM is Dead the Number
of Listeners in the First-World ~15% of the World Total
is too small to justify the Cost. The First-World SWLs
have other less-costly options to Hear the same Shortwave
Radio Broadcast via local AM & FM Radio and Streaming
Audio on Demand via the Internet; all of which will give
them much better Audio Quality then an Over-the-Air
Global HF Broadcast.
Plus DRM as a Broadcast Media seemed to work best
out to 3500 km ~ 2200 Miles and provide the levels of
"Better Sound and Consistant Signal within a Shortwave
Broadcasters Continental Boundaries :
* Across Europe from one Euro Country to another.
* Across Australia : ABC Domestic Broadcasting
that goes for Domestic Broadcasting Systems of :
India, Japan, China, Philippines, Brazil, Canada,
Indonesia, and the Russian Federation.
Beyond that Range 4000 km ~ 2500 Miles the perceived
advantages of DRM by the Shortwave Radio Listeners
dropped-off and the Costs exceeded any reasonable
justification for large implimentation of DRM.
If you were to Take-a-Look you would presently find the
BBC World News in 85% of American Homes. Not on
the Radio be it AM, FM or Shorwave; but on the TV via
Cable TV and Direct Satellite TV. The older generations
grew-up Listening to the Radio and the newer Listeners
are Watchers Too; and they Watch TV and Listen to TV
Audio. For the BBC Corporation [UK] the BBC-TV
Channel is a Money Maker while the BBC-World Service
on the Shortwave Radio is a Money $pender.
For TV Broadcasters the Internet is look at as an Inter-Active
Video and Audio extension of their TV Offerings and a second
oportunity to connect-with and market themselves to their
Viewer/Listeners. TV Broadcasters View the Internet as their
Friend and a Tool to be used to build a better relationship with
their Viewer/Listeners.
Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) is simply Over-Come By Events.
DRM - http://www.drm.org/
IMHO - The Combination of TV and the Inter-Active Internet
is way too Powerful for AM & FM Radio and Shortwave Radio
and DRM are non-starters.
drm too little too late and too costly for the roi ~ RHF
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dxAce
Brenda Ann wrote:
> HFCC discussions on future of DRM
>
> "From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
> HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale)
> system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
> like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
> scale, beyond the current experimental stage........there are no plans
> from any large manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
>
> Full report, item 2 at:
>
> <http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-radio.html>http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-radio.html
>
I saw this over at DXLD. Hopefully this might signal an end to some of the QRM on the HF bands.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Pocke...@gmail.com
> HFCC discussions on future of DRM
>
> "From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
> HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale)
> system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
> like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
> scale, beyond the current experimental stage........there are no plans
> from any large manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
>
> Full report, item 2 at:
>
>
> --
> Say no to institutionalized interference.
> Just say NO to HD/IBOC!
What a shame! Digital radio is failing everywhere!
dave
> HFCC discussions on future of DRM
>
> "From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
> HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale)
> system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
> like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
> scale, beyond the current experimental stage........there are no plans
> from any large manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
>
> Full report, item 2 at:
>
> <http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-radio.html>http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-radio.html
>
>
Aren't there standalone decoders with "baseband" inputs? Wouldn't these
be path agnostic?
Aren't there
RHF
> Brenda Ann wrote:
> > HFCC discussions on future of DRM
>
> > "From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
> > HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale)
> > system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
> > like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
> > scale, beyond the current experimental stage........there are no plans
> > from any large manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
>
> > Full report, item 2 at:
>
-
- Aren't there standalone decoders with "baseband" inputs?
- Wouldn't these be path agnostic?
-
- Aren't there
-
Dave,
Shortwave Radio's Days are numbered and it is declining
and being supplanted by more 'effective' Video and Audio
Systems that have a lower-cost of delivery; and DRM is
simply 'too-little-too-late'. DRM has become OBWE.
For effective deployment of Audio Content in the Third World
to Underdeveloped Rural Areas with few and limited resources.
I now appears that within Country FM Radio is the better option.
At about US $5 per AM/FM Radio to distribute Radios to the
Population in Mass.
What would any new stand-a-lone DRM system cost per
DRM {Ready} Radio ?
The low-cost Video and Audio Content delevery system to
an Underdeveloped Rural Area "Hub" is a Direct Broadcast
Satellite Receiver for both TV, Radio and Internet: That is
couple with a Low-Power FM Transmitter to re-broadcast
the Signal(s) over a defined Limited Area within a Country.
The Rural Area "Hub" is in Village that is centrally located
for an Area with a Ten Mile Diameter. The DBS Receiver
and the FM Transmitter are located within the Village's
School. The TV Output is used within the School to bring
the World to the Students. The Audio Output is used to
Bring the World to the People.
* The DBS System can also include Internet Connectivity.
* The DBS System gives the Biggest Bang-for-the-Buck
and is decentralized on the Ground.
Where-As for an Audio Only System using DRM via
Shortwave Radio it would take about as much resources
and only Deliver Audio Content : When 'richer' TV and
Internet Content providing both Video and Audio is the
preferred Media by the younger Media Consumers.
* Desktop PC
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5969099
* Ten-Tec RX-320D Shortwave Receiver with DRM
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/0321.html
+ Shortwave Antenna
* Ramsey FM100B - FM Stereo Radio Station
http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=FM100B
+ FM Transmitting Antenna
All the above requires Electrical Power and a Stand-a-lone
Solar Power System for the "Hub" School is a neccessary
part of either the DBS or DRM Systems.
idtars ~ RHF
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Ian Waugh
Could you please tell me where you have the evidence to back your
statement and what is HFCC?
Ian Waugh
www.primedrm.com
--
Ian Waugh
Tom
wrote:
The link cited at the beginning of this thread is dead. Searching the
Monitoring Times Shortwave Central Blog for "DRM", "HFCC" and "gospel"
turns up nothing with the quoted passage. One might surmise that the
item has been pulled and is left to speculate why. Maybe it was
inaccurate.
HFCC is an ITU body - the High Frequency Coordinating Committee. Given
the claims of broadcasting experience and professionalism, and
especially expertise in the field of DRM on primedrm.com, I'm
surprised you ask. DRM broadcast transmissions are scheduled on
frequencies arranged through this body.
Tom
i...@ianwaugh.com
I am not the only person questioning this article - I have been asked
by several people closely related to DRM to make this enquiry.
If you doubt the "claims" on www.primedrm.com, if you question our
broadcast expertise then why not contact us direct and we would be
only too pleased to put your mind at rest.
Thank you for your informed reply.
Brenda Ann
"Tom" <holden...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:9594b237-6eab-4fa5...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 26, 12:09 pm, Ian Waugh <Ian.Waugh.20a5...@radiobanter.com>
wrote:
> Could you please tell me where you have the evidence to back your
> statement and what is HFCC?
>
> Ian Waughwww.primedrm.com
>
> --
> Ian Waugh
The link cited at the beginning of this thread is dead. Searching the
Monitoring Times Shortwave Central Blog for "DRM", "HFCC" and "gospel"
turns up nothing with the quoted passage. One might surmise that the
item has been pulled and is left to speculate why. Maybe it was
inaccurate.
I see as well that the original post, which came from HCDX, is also gone.
It's all third party for me, so I have no idea what happened to it.
Pressoffice
Nexus (the organisation which wrote this article on the blog) asked the
editor of the above mentioned blog to withdraw´s Ron´s email because it
was NOT intended for publication and it was published without Nexus
consentement.
This article doesn´t really reflect the truth.
Thanks for your consideration.
--
Pressoffice
r...@nexus.org
>
> "From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
> HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (DigitalRadioMondiale)
> system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
> like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
> scale, beyond the current experimental stage........there are no plans
> from any large manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
>
> Full report, item 2 at:
>
Two comments from the author of the text published on the link above
at http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com:
1) NEXUS-IBA requested the removal of the private email from the blog,
because it was private information sent to NEXUS-IBA members and to a
group of SW program producers. The content of this email was neither
intended, not authorized for publication.
2) The position stated above is NOT an official position of the HFCC,
but just informal data gathered during the "formal" discussions among
some HFCC members at the latest conference in Kuala Lumpur.
Our "official" position on DRM is published at
http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7
73,
Ron
European Gospel Radio / NEXUS-IBA, Milan, Italy.
RHF
> On Feb 25, 11:10 pm, "Brenda Ann" <bren...@shinbiro.com> wrote:
>
> > HFCC discussions on future of DRM
>
> > "From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
> > HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (DigitalRadioMondiale)
> > system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
> > like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
> > scale, beyond the current experimental stage........there are no plans
> > from any large manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
>
> > Full report, item 2 at:
>
> > <http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-ra...>http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-ra...
>
> Two comments from the author of the text published on the link above
>
> 1) NEXUS-IBA requested the removal of the private email from the blog,
> because it was private information sent to NEXUS-IBA members and to a
> group of SW program producers. The content of this email was neither
> intended, not authorized for publication.
>
> 2) The position stated above is NOT an official position of the HFCC,
> but just informal data gathered during the "formal" discussions among
> some HFCC members at the latest conference in Kuala Lumpur.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Ron
> European Gospel Radio / NEXUS-IBA, Milan, Italy.
The Xuture of DRM . . . The Truth Will Out ! ~ RHF
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/390200.html
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i...@ianwaugh.com
> On Mar 2, 6:49 am, r...@nexus.org wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 11:10 pm, "Brenda Ann" <bren...@shinbiro.com> wrote:
>
> > > HFCC discussions on future of DRM
>
> > > "From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
> > > HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (DigitalRadioMondiale)
> > > system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
> > > like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
> > > scale, beyond the current experimental stage........there are no plans
> > > from any large manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
>
> > > Full report, item 2 at:
>
> > > <http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-ra...>http://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com/2008/02/news-from-european-gospel-ra...
>
> > Two comments from the author of the text published on the link above
> > athttp://mt-shortwave.blogspot.com:
>
> > 1) NEXUS-IBA requested the removal of the private email from the blog,
> > because it was private information sent to NEXUS-IBA members and to a
> > group of SW program producers. The content of this email was neither
> > intended, not authorized for publication.
>
> > 2) The position stated above is NOT an official position of the HFCC,
> > but just informal data gathered during the "formal" discussions among
> > some HFCC members at the latest conference in Kuala Lumpur.
>
> > Our "official" position on DRM is published athttp://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7
It is very unfortunate that all this got into public domain and
counter-published on other websites.
DRM has a potentially interesting future and, along with other
emerging technologies, should be given scope to develop.
At the end of the day it will depend on content, take-up and business
foresight - driven, rightly so, by the consumer.
Ian Waugh
www.primedrm.com
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
frankta...@gmail.com
> HFCC discussions on future of DRM
>
> "From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
> HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale)
> system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
> like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
> scale, beyond the current experimental stage........there are no plans
> from any large manufacturer to produce such (DRM) receivers now."
The problem with shortwave in general is the good hardware is very expensive
when compared to cost of home satellite receiver. Any cheap and simple STB
box receives all digital world TV and radio in top quality.
Also for broadcasters satellite transmissions are cheaper (less cost of
license and less transmission power wasted, more audience).
Good hardware for SWL also need big space to setup good aerial.
Satellite dish is smaller.
That is why BBC turned off SW transmitter for Eastern Europe.
But I understand them. I have bought very cheap digital satellite equipment
and the quality of radio is even better than local FM stations. And I have
not only radio but also TV. Another option is the Internet which gives
global access to any station like SW but with much better quality.
Sangean said there will be no new SW radios from them. Recently there was
50% decline in SW radios sale and this decline continues since a long time.
Also most home radios nowadays (hifi/tabletop/portable) lacks SW not to
mention that LW and MW are also less visible in new radios.
Broadcasters also do not like AM due to big energy bills for AM trasmitters
and higher noise which is increasing especially on LW every year.
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