IBiquity ā Whereās the āHDā in āHDā radio?
Rfburns
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false āHDā detection and switching problems. No
CD system that Iāve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.
I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. Thereās just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.
What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity āHDā quality. Now thatās a real swell use of
spectrum.
Dave
The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound like
FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.
Telamon
Dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
> Rfburns wrote:
> > Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band ÅHDĖ radio and still
> > trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
> > Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
> > all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
> > interference issues, false ÅHDĖ detection and switching problems. No
> > CD system that IÄ
ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.
> >
> > I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
> > would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
> > consistent quality with less bother. ThereÄ s just no reason to buy
> > one if you ask me.
> >
> > What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
> > in iBiquity ÅHDĖ quality. Now thatÄ s a real swell use of
> > spectrum.
>
> The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound like
> FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.
Do you have any idea what you sound like? A whack job and that's on a
good day.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
D Peter Maus
I wonder if he can actually hear. Though, nowhere near High Fidelity
on it's best day, XM has clearly been working on its codec. Compared to
audio I trapped three+ years ago, the audio on XM has vastly improved.
Talk channels still suck, but the music channels are much more listenable.
I much prefer XM to HD.
Telamon
<rdQbk.191086$SV4.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
My brother has XM in two cars and at home. The home stereo was expensive
and I did not care for the sound in any of those situations.
Going through the channels I could not find one I liked same as
terrestrial radio. Some channels I could listen to for a while but then
they would play stuff I didn't like so I would skip around to another
channel. All in all I could not see paying for it as I tired of looking
for something I wanted to hear every few minutes.
Traveling down the road in the car passing under some trees and having
the sound drop out is kind of lame for new technology.
XM audio has artifacts I don't like, programming I don't care for, and
works like crap in the car so it's not for me.
HD in the broadcast bands as IBOC is an engineering abortion best case.
So what do I do for listening other than SW? I listen to a variety of
talk shows, news, and weather on AM. On FM it is usually classical music
or NPR talk programs and news. If both of those fail to interest me at
the moment I play CD's that are usually either classical or contemporary
music in the album format that I purchase or make myself.
I have never found a music format that didn't literally dive me nuts on
terrestrial radio. The formats always sounded disassociative to me. The
only way I can listen to music is as the performers intended as an album.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Dave
Telamon
Dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
You. You whack job.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Dave
HD radio. I can only stand Sirius in the car. I'm pretty much a web
streamer these days.
Dave
Telamon
Dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
You have a refried brain.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Dave
d like? A whack job and that's on a
>>>>> good day.
>>>>>
>>>> Whack job? Who talks like that.
>>> You. You whack job.
>>>
>> You have social issues.
>
> You have a refried brain.
>
Rfburns
But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
that's a cool strategy.
You gotta just love the silence. You ibiquity guys are so smart. I
wonder if this is one of their software tools?
David Eduardo
"Rfburns" <jimwi...@labs.net> wrote in message
news:943a3dde-145d-4ff8-b5b7-
<But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
<a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
<that's a cool strategy.
On at least a dozen different HD receivers, I have never had this happen.
Nor, until now in your message, have I ever heard of it happening.
Rfburns
> "Rfburns" <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote in message
Well, Eduardo it happens all the time on the Sony XDR-S3HD. Which is
practically being given away now because nobody wants them and places
like Best Buy, etc lost their ass on them.
I can't imagine why any company would want to waste anymore
developmental dollars on ibiquity "HD" technology again after seeing
the dismal sales and performance it produces.
The other thing I like about "HD" is when the analog and digital
signals are out of sync by several seconds and the signal just isn't
strong enough to get an "HD" lock. It goes back and forth replaying
the delayed signal over and over while it constantly switches back and
forth from analog to "HD" and back to analog and then back to "HD".
Over and Over. Since I live more the 20 miles from the nearest "HD"
station this is pretty much the norm. It's a real treat to hear how
screwed up system is and how poorly implemented the digital component
is.
Another thing I love seeing is when an "HD" station advertises their
website on the goofy little screen so you can use your Web radio to
hear them rather than their terrestrial radio signal. Thatās a nice
touch. Looks to me like most stations know what a bust ibiquity "HD"
is.
Someday, when iBiquity "HD" is just a memory of another failed
technology I'll recall with fond memories what a joke it was.
Rfburns
Eduardo - I'd invite you over to my palce to hear some of these things
but you scare me.
The Traveller
I have a SONY XDR-S3HD and I live more than 20 miles+ from the nearest
AM transmitter. I can attest to the fact that the AM & FM HD
programming drops in & out on a regular basis even if the signal
strength bar graph shows a very strong signal! This is really annoying
(how strong does strong need to be?)
Worse yet, on FM, I even installed an amplified antenna to try to
improve the system as the signal was never strong enough (flashing HD
icon indicates the presence of an HD signal but reception is in analog
as it's too weak (sigh)). With the amplified antenna, HD locks on more
channels but STILL shows the flashing HD icon on many others! The
signal strength bar graph shows full strength!
My HD TV is via cable. As a FYI, I live in Carlsbad CA, which is 35
miles north of San Diego and 100 miles south of LA.
______________________
The Traveller
Carlsbad, California
Rfburns
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:23:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"
>
> <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
I've noticed the same thing - signal strength seems little to do with
it. When it does lock it's a toss-up as to how long it will stay. On
AM the annoying digital artifacts make listening painful.
Ibiquity HD radio is a real disappointment.
Telamon
Dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
Since you can't say anything sensible I'll call you a retard.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
David Eduardo
On Jul 6, 3:23 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Rfburns" <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote in message
>
> news:943a3dde-145d-4ff8-b5b7-
> <But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
> <a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
> <that's a cool strategy.
>
> On at least a dozen different HD receivers, I have never had this happen.
> Nor, until now in your message, have I ever heard of it happening.
<Well, Eduardo it happens all the time on the Sony XDR-S3HD. Which is
<practically being given away now because nobody wants them and places
<like Best Buy, etc lost their ass on them.
Several of our LA offices have those, and they never do what you say they
do. You either have a defective unit or ar dealing in hypoerbole.
David Eduardo
.
<Eduardo - I'd invite you over to my palce to hear some of these things
<but you scare me.
Bring it to my office and we can compare it with several of them there, and
our engineering staff can look at the one you have too.
David Eduardo
"The Traveller" <The_Tr...@noapsmfor.me> wrote in message
news:kmo274pk5oavhofp7...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:23:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"
> <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rfburns" <jimwi...@labs.net> wrote in message
>>news:943a3dde-145d-4ff8-b5b7-
>><But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
>><a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
>><that's a cool strategy.
>>
>>On at least a dozen different HD receivers, I have never had this happen.
>>Nor, until now in your message, have I ever heard of it happening.
>
> I have a SONY XDR-S3HD and I live more than 20 miles+ from the nearest
> AM transmitter. I can attest to the fact that the AM & FM HD
> programming drops in & out on a regular basis even if the signal
> strength bar graph shows a very strong signal! This is really annoying
> (how strong does strong need to be?)
Try rereading the post by rfburns. He is talking about non-HD AMs dropping
out on the receiver, not HD digital channels.
The Sony is a second generation receiver, and none of them is very good at
HD reception.
As to AM in Carlsbad, you are at the fringe of the AM signals of the San
Diego HD AMs, so dropout would be likely on a bad receiver. The fact is that
SD does not even have an AM that totally covers the market with a usable
signal.
RHF
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:23:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"
>
> <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
Living-and-Listening Beyond-the-Pale {The 10 MV/M Contour}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95dcdfa185e0923c
FM HD-Radio -The Answer Is - The 4% Solution
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7d07beb97dcb233a
I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.
* Twain Harte, CA -USA-
.
Rfburns
> "Rfburns" <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote in message
Eduardo - with all due respect to you (which isn't much) what I say is
happening on the Sony is happening.
With the radio tuned to a non HD AM station, adjacent AM HD stations
cause the receiver to switch to HD which results in the receive audio
to shut off for several seconds. This occurs regularly on AM.
There is so much bad stuff about iBiquity HD in it's current state
that it's hard to know where to start, aside from the fact that the
Sony is a clunky piece of technology.
You can argue all night about whose fault it is - iBiquity or the
manufacturers but the consumer doesn't care. All they know is that
they don't want it and rightly so.
Rfburns
Additionally, as I watch the display the little "HD" lights up
periodically when tuned to a non-HD station. This is the precursor to
the silence. The radio is actually detecting an adjacent channel HD
station. How bogus is that!
David Eduardo
> On Jul 6, 11:36 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>> "Rfburns" <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8575a1e1-9ede-46f0...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> .
>>
>> <Eduardo - I'd invite you over to my palce to hear some of these things
>> <but you scare me.
>>
>> Bring it to my office and we can compare it with several of them there,
>> and
>> our engineering staff can look at the one you have too.
>
> Eduardo - with all due respect to you (which isn't much) what I say is
> happening on the Sony is happening.
Then your radio is defective. If many such radios work fine, and one does
not, it is the radio.
>
> With the radio tuned to a non HD AM station, adjacent AM HD stations
> cause the receiver to switch to HD which results in the receive audio
> to shut off for several seconds. This occurs regularly on AM.
That sounds like you are listening for adjacent or next adjacent AMs with an
HD AM in its primary coverage area near you. The DX listening is not
protected legally, so this is not a defect.
>
> You can argue all night about whose fault it is - iBiquity or the
> manufacturers but the consumer doesn't care. All they know is that
> they don't want it and rightly so.
As far as AM HD, what the consumers don't want is AM. No amount of
technology can fix the AM band and its old-fart image among most anyone
under about 45. This is why AM listening is declining so fast, and the only
remaining listeners soon will be over 55, a group nearly no agency ad
account wants.
Telamon
"David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
2nd model maybe, not second generation.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
> "Rfburns" <jimwi...@labs.net> wrote in message
> news:23ac619d-484a-4aa5...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 6, 11:36 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> >> "Rfburns" <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:8575a1e1-9ede-46f0...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> .
> >>
> >> <Eduardo - I'd invite you over to my palce to hear some of these things
> >> <but you scare me.
> >>
> >> Bring it to my office and we can compare it with several of them there,
> >> and
> >> our engineering staff can look at the one you have too.
> >
> > Eduardo - with all due respect to you (which isn't much) what I say is
> > happening on the Sony is happening.
>
> Then your radio is defective. If many such radios work fine, and one does
> not, it is the radio.
Not necessarily. Maybe the HD station is close enough for the HD signal
to be detectable while the radio is tuned on the adjacent channel. Maybe
the HD station is outside the power contour or splattering its HD signal
or a distant HD station is being received on channel in addition to the
closer analog station.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
> In Message-ID:<6Mhck.13258$xZ.11...@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com> posted on Sun,
> 6 Jul 2008 22:24:13 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin Ā
>
>
>
> >As far as AM HD, what the consumers don't want is AM. No amount of
> >technology can fix the AM band and its old-fart image among most anyone
> >under about 45. This is why AM listening is declining so fast, and the only
> >remaining listeners soon will be over 55, a group nearly no agency ad
> >account wants.
- Maybe the AM band will be abandoned by 'commercial'
- pollution and will remain, as FM once was,
- a non-commercial adjunct to a station's service.
AM/MW Radio Broadcasting in the USA is a Commercial
Enterprise and as such : =IF= There Is No Revenue : Them
There Is No Reason To Broadcast [.] - The AM/MW Band Dies.
Dave
>
> AM/MW Radio Broadcasting in the USA is a Commercial Enterprise and as
> such : =IF= There Is No Revenue : Them There Is No Reason To Broadcast
> [.] - The AM/MW Band Dies.
There are several standard broadcast noncomms. For some reason ethnics
and religious types can make a go of facilities that big corporations
can't seem to run. There are other reasons to broadcast besides making
money. Why do pirates go on the air?
D Peter Maus
In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.
If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
return your bong.
Religious broadcasters spend most of their time trying to raise
funds. They may be noncomms, but the number of European luxury sedans in
the parking lot speak much about where a lot of that money goes.
"Would Jesus Wear a Rolex?"
--Chet Atkins, Margaret Archer.
So-called public broadcasters are also money making operations.
Despite the charter. Even when strictly prohibited from running
commercial messages, they do. Amoco, Mobil Oil, and TIAA/CREF are the
ones which quickly come to mind. They may not have the thrust of
corporate commercial radio, but they DO spend a lot of effort raising
money. NPR stations all have sales staffs. So do religious non-comms.
And, just as with commercial radio, ratings equal revenue. Don't
think for a moment the Manglers at NPR affiliates don't look at Arbitron
when selecting which programs to pay for. Those are the programs that
will also produce the largest donations when pledge time rolls around.
In the US, Radio is always about the money.
Pirates are a different breed. They operate illegally, most often to
hear themselves on the air. If they had to play by the rules, they'd
have to be about the money, too.
RHF
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:06:33 -0700, RHF wrote:
>
> > AM/MW Radio Broadcasting in the USA is a Commercial Enterprise and as
> > such : =IF= There Is No Revenue : Them There Is No Reason To Broadcast
> > [.] - The AM/MW Band Dies.
- There are several standard broadcast noncomms.
Several out of a Total of 4,754 AM Radio Stations would
appear to be the Exception that proves the Rule.
-Ā For some reason ethnics and religious types can
- make a go of facilities that big corporations can't
- seem to run.
These are usually 'under-written' non-profit enterprises.
Hey the AM Radio Band could become "The All Mighty's" Radio Band.
-Ā There are other reasons to broadcast besides making
- money.
Not as a general rule in the USA.
-Ā Why do pirates go on the air?
The Pirates are Pirates -because- They Want To Be Pirates.
-aka- Bad Boys !
.
Dave
>
>> money. Why do pirates go on the air?
>>
>>
>
>
> In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.
>
> If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
> return your bong.
>
I don't have a bong. Not every radio station makes money. Some are on
the air to advance an ideology; some are run at a loss for other
business reasons; some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
it. We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
controlling of the music.
You are talking to a former NPR PD (admittedly before the ala carte era).
David Eduardo
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield->>
>> As to AM in Carlsbad, you are at the fringe of the AM signals of the San
>> Diego HD AMs, so dropout would be likely on a bad receiver. The fact is
>> that
>> SD does not even have an AM that totally covers the market with a usable
>> signal.
>
> 2nd model maybe, not second generation.
First generation used several separate chips. Second, starting with the BA
Receptor, used an integrated chip, third generation coming in next few
months.
David Eduardo
"Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> In Message-ID:<6Mhck.13258$xZ.1...@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com> posted on Sun,
> 6 Jul 2008 22:24:13 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin
>
>>
>>technology can fix the AM band and its old-fart image among most anyone
>>under about 45. This is why AM listening is declining so fast, and the
>>only
>>remaining listeners soon will be over 55, a group nearly no agency ad
>>account wants.
>
> remain, as FM once was, a non-commercial adjunct to a station's service.
Or maybe, like much of the world, the AM band will slowly die off... count
the AMs in South Africa or Chile or Ecuador or the Windward and Leeward
Islands or Austria and compare with 30 years ago.
David Eduardo
> In
> Message-ID:<56702328-1579-4e91...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
> posted on Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin
Actually, station count on FM declined from 1950 to 1960, but started
building considerably by the early 60's.
David Eduardo
"Dave" <j...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:
>
>>
>>> money. Why do pirates go on the air?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.
>>
>> If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
>> return your bong.
>>
>
> I don't have a bong. Not every radio station makes money. Some are on
> the air to advance an ideology; some are run at a loss for other
> business reasons; some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
> it. We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
> they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
> controlling of the music.
All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money due
to sharper competitors or bad signals.
Dave
>
> All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
> stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money
> due to sharper competitors or bad signals.
They ran Indie 103.1 at a loss until the FCC stopped them.
David Eduardo
They did no such thing. Indie was run by Entravision with a JSA (joint sales
agreement) with Clear Channel so they would not have to have a separate
sales department for a station (actually, combo) that only covers about 20%
of the market.
In any case, that was years ago... and the FCC only stopped them indirectly.
Clear ceased to hold the JSA because the FCC redefined the method used to
determine what a "radio market" is, causing quite a few changes across the
country to a number of broadcasters.
Telamon
"David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
Nope. All radios so far are using general purpose IC programmed by EPROM
to run the Ibiquity application.
I'll let you know when an IC that specifically designed for IBOC comes
around.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
Dave <j...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:
>
> >
> >> money. Why do pirates go on the air?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.
> >
> > If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
> > return your bong.
> >
>
> I don't have a bong.
< SNIP >
You got a pipe.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
A Brown
> With the radio tuned to a non HD AM station, adjacent AM HD stations
> cause the receiver to switch to HD which results in the receive audio
> to shut off for several seconds. This occurs regularly on AM.
I have never heard of this happenning...nor had it happen to me.
m II
> "Would Jesus Wear a Rolex?"
>
> --Chet Atkins, Margaret Archer.
Devil worshipping homosexuals wear Rolexes.
mike
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Rfburns
Eduardo - You have a view of life that is distorted by your greed.
You, and people like you, are part of the problem. Your arguments are
both bogus and biased and always self-serving. This is easily detected
by your "old-fart" comment as well as others you have made.
There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
performance of analog radio. There are hundreds of local AM stations
that serve their areas well and they are still in business and
hopefully will be for a long time.
But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a second if you could. You are pathetic.
Rfburns
A Brown
> There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
> few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
> performance of analog radio.
And they can continue to enjoy them in analog.
HD radio simply adds more functionality.
No one istaking away analog radio
Dave
> "Dave" <j...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:YfGdnaudqNO9C-_V...@earthlink.com...
>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:35:06 -0700, David Eduardo wrote:
>>
>>> All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
>>> stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money
>>> due to sharper competitors or bad signals.
>> They ran Indie 103.1 at a loss until the FCC stopped them.
>
> They did no such thing. Indie was run by Entravision with a JSA (joint sales
> agreement) with Clear Channel so they would not have to have a separate
> sales department for a station (actually, combo) that only covers about 20%
> of the market.
>
chip away at KROQ and to claim the widest playlists in America. JSA
usually means the bigger entity runs things.
Dave
Isn't there an off the shelf MPEG4 decoder involved?
Dave
Rfburns
Eduardo ā Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
people like you, are the problem. Your arguments are both bogus and
biased and always self-serving. This is detected by the comments you
make.
There are millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but
a few deluded radio insiders are perfectly happy with analog radio.
There are thousands of local AM and FM stations that serve their areas
well and they are still in business and hopefully will be for a long
time.
But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a microsecond if you could. You read statistics and
numbers looking for ways to exploit regardless of consequences and you
gloat when you think youāre proven right. But so many times youāre
wrong. You are pathetic.
Businesses are full of people like you. Superficial individuals who
convince themselves theyāre doing good but the reality is they are
just serving themselves. I know people like you. You connive behind
closed doors and convince yourself of things and then pretend that the
world would be better off with what you just convinced yourself of.
But they are foolish and reckless and so are you.
No doubt you are sitting there snickering but inside youāre
uncomfortable because you are a victim of your selfishness and
shallowness.
dxAce
Rfburns wrote:
Not only that, but Pancho is pathological as well.
> Businesses are full of people like you. Superficial individuals who
> convince themselves theyāre doing good but the reality is they are
> just serving themselves. I know people like you. You connive behind
> closed doors and convince yourself of things and then pretend that the
> world would be better off with what you just convinced yourself of.
> But they are foolish and reckless and so are you.
>
> No doubt you are sitting there snickering but inside youāre
> uncomfortable because you are a victim of your selfishness and
> shallowness.
Don't forget that his mama kicked him out of Cleveland because he was an
embarrassment to her and her socialite pretensions.
Dave
analog channels.
Rfburns
Eduardo ā Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
people like you, are the problem. Your arguments are both bogus and
biased and always self-serving. This is detected by the comments you
make.
There are millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but
a few deluded radio insiders are perfectly happy with analog radio.
There are thousands of local AM and FM stations that serve their areas
well and they are still in business and hopefully will be for a long
time.
But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a microsecond if you could. You read statistics and
numbers looking for ways to exploit regardless of consequences and you
gloat when you think youāre proven right. But so many times youāre
wrong. You are pathetic.
Businesses are full of people like you. Superficial individuals who
Rfburns
m II
> Don't forget that his mama kicked him out of Cleveland because he was an
> embarrassment to her and her socialite pretensions.
Drag queens have socialite pretensions, as you well know, Raoul.
How was last night's 'mutual respect' session?
dxAce
m II wrote:
> dxAce wrote:
>
> > Don't forget that his mama kicked him out of Cleveland because he was an
> > embarrassment to her and her socialite pretensions.
>
> Drag queens have socialite pretensions, as you well know, Raoul.
Yep, and both you and Pancho certainly have those pretensions.
m II
>> Drag queens have socialite pretensions, as you well know, Raoul.
>
> Yep, and both you and Pancho certainly have those pretensions.
Pretensions are nothing as solid and real as the woman's clothing in
your closet. Did the Bra Cuhulin sent you actually fit? It was a size B,
if I recall and red in colour.
How did last night's 'mutual respect' session go? Are you walking like a
cowboy?
Rfburns
Eduardo ā Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
Rfburns
Eduardo ā Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
RHF
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:
>
> >> money. Ā Why do pirates go on the air?
>
> > Ā Ā In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.
>
> > Ā Ā If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
> > return your bong.
>
> I don't have a bong. Ā Not every radio station makes money. Ā Some are on
> the air to advance an ideology; Ā some are run at a loss for other
> business reasons; Ā some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
> it. Ā We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
> they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
> controlling of the music.
- You are talking to a former NPR PD
- (admittedly before the ala carte era).
-
- www.pacifica.org
Dave - D'Oh ! Pacific.Org -ain't- NPR [.] ~ RHF
.
Anonymous
"Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> In Message-ID:<DlBck.12053$89.1...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com> posted on Mon,
> 7 Jul 2008 23:40:43 -0400, A Brown wrote: Begin
> is indeed 'taking away' those other stations.
These "other stations" that you mention being taken away are not stations
that were ever protected in your area.
These stations were never meant to service your area. Radio signals go on
virtuallity till infinity. We have not protected stations to infinity.
It's a cost vs. reward scenario. There are a few DX-ers who might not be
happy....but many more reap the benefits of HD radio.
Anonymous
"Bob Dobbs" <chupa...@operamail.com> wrote in message
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> Rfburns wrote:
>>
>>There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
>>few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
>>performance of analog radio. There are hundreds of local AM stations
>>that serve their areas well and they are still in business and
>>hopefully will be for a long time.
>>
>>But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
>>superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
>>business in a second if you could. You are pathetic.
>
> selfish inconsiderate egotistical
Well, there goes your credibility in any discussion Bob Dobb!
David Eduardo
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
Gen 1 was a bunch of chips... gen 2 is one EPROM (which in general parlance,
is a chip). Gen 3 includes the Samsung and other "radio on a chip" products.
Gen 1 was the Pioneer car radio nearly every CE of an early HD station had.
David Eduardo
"Bob Dobbs" <chupa...@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:4872e39a.3210326@chupacabra...
> Rfburns wrote:
>>
>>few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
>>performance of analog radio. There are hundreds of local AM stations
>>that serve their areas well and they are still in business and
>>hopefully will be for a long time.
>>
>>But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
>>superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
>>business in a second if you could. You are pathetic.
>
> selfish inconsiderate egotistical
>
First, I am not Jewish, although I see nothing wrong with being a Jew.
Second, I am being realistic. There is no empirical evidence that any
significant listening to first or second adjacent AM channels inside the
contours of a local station. And AM listening is, and has been pre-HD,
declining fast. Markets like Houston have less than 10% AM listening, and
nearly all is over 55.
The fact is that there is nearly no listening to AM by people under 45,
because there are two generations of Americans who have never had a use for
AM. Same is true in many other nations of the world.
In any case, the analog AM broadcasts are not going away... HD is probably
too little and too late to save AM, but it does not really negatively affect
any real listening.
David Eduardo
"Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> In Message-ID:<DlBck.12053$89.1...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com> posted on Mon,
> 7 Jul 2008 23:40:43 -0400, A Brown wrote: Begin
>
>>
> is indeed 'taking away' those other stations.
As I said, there is no empirical evidence that out of market stations were
or are being listened to in the first of second adjacent channels in the
shadow of a stronger local station.
David Eduardo
"Dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
news:48736041$0$26192$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
I meant "20% of the population" which is the way people in radio think of
coverage. Cattle and rattlesnakes don't carry people meters.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
> "Bob Dobbs" <chupa...@operamail.com> wrote in message
> news:4872e39a.3210326@chupacabra...
> > Rfburns wrote:
> >>
> >>There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
> >>few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
> >>performance of analog radio. There are hundreds of local AM stations
> >>that serve their areas well and they are still in business and
> >>hopefully will be for a long time.
> >>
> >>But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
> >>superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
> >>business in a second if you could. You are pathetic.
> >
> > He acts like a stereotypical jew
> > selfish inconsiderate egotistical
> >
>
> First, I am not Jewish, although I see nothing wrong with being a Jew.
You are not Hispanic either.
>
> Second, I am being realistic.
'Eduardo', you pathetic little habitual liar. You haven't been 'realistic' since
you were about 12 years old.
D Peter Maus
You may want to rethink the rattlesnakes.
David Eduardo
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:4873629F...@milestones.com...
>
>
> Don't forget that his mama kicked him out of Cleveland because he was an
> embarrassment to her and her socialite pretensions.
Teens are not kicked out of anything but high school.
http://www.davidgleason.com/1946_Family.htm
A person who gets a front page obit in a top-15 circulation daily does not
have "pretentions" to anything... they are already recognized community
leaders, not "socialites."
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
So? She did get you to hit the road so as to not be an embarrassment, did she
not?
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Are you really certain that the Plain Dealer put obits on the front page? I'll
have to check that out as well!
m II
> 'Eduardo', you pathetic little habitual liar.
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08/02/15 10:58 PM
I really don't want to say this, my many shortwave friends, but I find
that I am giving up far to much of my increasingly valuable time here
on RRS trying to educate the faux, the debutantes, and those who tote..
Therefore, I've simply decided to give up RRS.
Goodbye, I sincerely hope that you all find your niche in
the world of SW.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
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Dave
>
> Dave - D'Oh ! Pacific.Org -ain't- NPR [.] ~ RHF
> .
There was a time when Pacifica ran NPR stuff, and they used the same CPB
satellite.
Dave
Some of don't live in cities. We are involuntary DXers.
Dave
>An EPROM is a flashable memory chip. It stores ones and zeros, nothing
more.
David Eduardo
No, that was my decision and desire... I was bored and suffering in school
in the US, and wanted to do something different.
David Eduardo
It did in this case. My stepfather was the publisher of the Plain Dealer and
my stepbrother the editor.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Ya know, 'Eduardo', I don't believe you.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Well, as is done here, the names themselves are put on the front page, but the
obits are a page or three into the paper.
I'll get to my local library tomorrow and try and obtain those back issues of
the Plain Dealer!
Anonymous
>>> He acts like a stereotypical jew
>>> selfish inconsiderate egotistical
>>
>>Well, there goes your credibility in any discussion Bob Dobb!
>>
>
> yes fracklekike, you do act like a typical jew.
> Not saying you are one, or that if you were you wouldn't deny it,
> just that you acted like one.
I guess Bob Dobb goes into the killfile, as it appears he has nothing
worthwile to offer.
>PLONK<
Anonymous
>>> Jamming other stations with fat sloppy digital sidebands is indeed
>>> 'taking away' those other stations.
>>
>> These "other stations" that you mention being taken away are not
>> stations that were ever protected in your area.
>>
>> These stations were never meant to service your area. Radio signals go
>> on virtuallity till infinity. We have not protected stations to
>> infinity.
>>
>> It's a cost vs. reward scenario. There are a few DX-ers who might not
>> be happy....but many more reap the benefits of HD radio.
>
> Some of don't live in cities. We are involuntary DXers.
Where is this that you don't have any local radio service?
Again...it may disurb a few DX-ers...but brings much funtionality and
potential to the state of broadcasting.
A few whiners...but the majority get better radio.
David Eduardo
> In Message-ID:<QKCdnTVuE-4ZWe7V...@earthlink.com> posted on
> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:48:20 -0500, Dave wrote: Begin
>
>>
>>There was a time when Pacifica ran NPR stuff, and they used the same CPB
>>satellite.
>
> since there's an international jammer XLNC operating out of Tijuana MX
> that has deliberately obstructed my reception of Pacifica KPFK.
KPFK, as I have mentioned before, is only protected, nationally and
internationally, to the theoretical contour of a conforming (50 kw at 500
feet) Class B FM in LA.
KPFK has no protected coverage in San Diego County. XHLNC (All Mexican
independent FMs start with XH and may have on to 4 more letters) is a legal
operation approved by the ComisiĆ³n Mixta of the US and Mexican delegates and
it fully conforms to US technical requirements.
David Eduardo
> In Message-ID:<QKCdnTRuE-58We7V...@earthlink.com> posted on
> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:49:53 -0500, Dave wrote: Begin
>
>>
>>Some of don't live in cities. We are involuntary DXers.
>
> broadcasting, just how much money can be exploited from it.
> That other guy was right, there is an ethnic pattern with him.
If there is no evidence of stations being used in the way you describe (and
it's hard to find evidence of anyone under 45 to 50 even using AM at all)
then how can you "protect" something that has no use? Of course, none of the
HD interference impinges on the protected groundwave contours of stations,
anyway.
David Eduardo
>
>
> I'll get to my local library tomorrow and try and obtain those back issues
> of
> the Plain Dealer!
You will find it below the fold in the Monday, 4/23 edition of the Plain
Dealer.
Front page.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Stuff a burrito in it, 'Eduardo'. IBOC interference screws up plenty of
reception.
David Eduardo
>
> That must have been in the days of high educational standards,
> unlike nowadays.
The standards were very high, as I was not in a public school. I was still
bored, as the classes moved and a dul and grindingly slow pace.
> With Bush's 'no tard left behind' program,
> they help you memorize the dummied down test until you pass.
I simply wanted to go run a radio station, not listen to stuff I already
knew (or classes where I could read the books and references in one
weekend).
> Maybe you could go back for some remedial credits?
I did go back... to college... ten years later and had a 4.0 GPA. It was
still boring, but at least I picked classes that would be of value to me and
I had a job on the side that kept me amused to some extent.
David Eduardo
DX reception. The DXer is not a protected class.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
1997, right? I'll be certain to check it out.
David Eduardo
Or check with Tom Vail, the editor of the paper at the time and her stepson.
David Eduardo
> In Message-ID:<VhRck.9510$LG4....@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com> posted on Tue,
> 8 Jul 2008 14:49:39 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin
>
>>
>>DX reception. The DXer is not a protected class.
>
> advertised have any cachet to a capitalist bastard like D'uardo
Actually, radio is a mass medium, and the biggest interest is in people who
buy mass market goods. No station targets the elite.