Looking for a vertical amateur band antenna
thebr...@earthlink.net
transceiver for the ham bands and would like to buy a vertical
antenna both for transmitting and receiving.
Any body got any ideas ?
Francesco L.
to 40 meters and even the 3,5 mhz band if it is at least 9,6 mt. Here are
some info about construction:
http://iw3hzx.altervista.org/Antenne/FISHINGPOLE/Fishingpole.htm
http://www.qsl.net/iz1dxs/Antenna_Rybakov.html
The overall cost is about 55 euro or even less. It is a fun to build and a
pleasure to operate. It needs an antenna tuner to be matched. Give it a try.
Francesco
ik8vwa
Billy Burpelson
Well, here's an idea...
...if you want to transmit, get a ham license first.
dave
dave
dxAce
dave wrote:
Yeah, after all, you're the Queen of your drug addled world.
SW4ever
4BTV or if you want 80 meter coverage as well, the 5 BTV. I have a
4BTV ground mounted and not only is it great Ham antenna, but also a
superb SW vertical. Mine has been in service for 8 years with
absolutely no problems. It Is very well constructed and has very low
backgound noise for a vertical. I highly recommend it. Hope this is of
help, and...Good Listening. P.S. gettin kinda old meself, but I ain't
tellin !!!
x-ratedvermonter
parabo...@gmail.com
I would start here: http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/13
Keep in mind with a traditional monopole (one radiating element)
vertical, the vertical element is only half of the antenna system.
The other half is the counterpoise/radial system, or the "ground".
Thus beware of "magic" verticals like this one: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5175
Although it's very convenient, notice the lack of any substantial
radial system. Also beware antenna claims to be broadband and require
no tuning. The "matching network" may well be resistors absorbing
power that otherwise would reflect back and deflect your SWR meter,
but the power is wasted as heat and you get a false sense of
efficiency due to a low SWR reading.
Unless you have space for an extensive radial system, *I* would
gravitate towards an oldie-but-goodie, the vertical dipole. This is
just a standard dipole stood up on its end. (Although some variants
end-feed the half-wave antenna and get virtually the same results,
thanks to the very high (around 2-5K ohm) impedance feedpoint,
allowing stray capacitance from the coax or a small counterpoise to
create a balacing current flow efficiently without a radial system.
End-fed halfwave verticals are inherently NOT broadband. Center-fed
verticals can be fed with a tuner and will probably work better for
multi-band use.
Here is one interesting design that has gained some very good
reviews. It's a folded halfwave vertical design, center-fed:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2489
http://force12inc.com/sigmasv5gt5info-002.htm
Ironically, although in theory a halfwave vertical is considerably
better than a vertical monopole with a poor radial system, or over
poor conductivity soil, it's not at all ground-independent. Turns out
either a vertical monopole or vertical dipole will excel when located
above a large ground-plane of salt-water. So a portable antenna like
this, taken to an ocean beach, might just outperform a much "better"
antenna over average soil. :)
Hope this helps.
parabo...@gmail.com
>
> Ironically, although in theory a halfwave vertical is considerably
> better than a vertical monopole with a poor radial system, or over
> poor conductivity soil, it's not at all ground-independent. Turns out
> either a vertical monopole or vertical dipole will excel when located
> above a large ground-plane of salt-water. So a portable antenna like
> this, taken to an ocean beach, might just outperform a much "better"
> antenna over average soil. :)
>
> Hope this helps.
Oops, apologies. I posted the link to a slightly different antenna
than I meant.
I meant to post this: http://force12inc.com/sigma5info-002.htm
Note that you can build your own verticals too, if you're handy.
But however you go, check eham reviews just to make sure you're not
getting a "dud". :)
RHF
>
> Ironically, although in theory a halfwave vertical is considerably
> better than a vertical monopole with a poor radial system, or over
> poor conductivity soil, it's not at all ground-independent. Turns out
> either a vertical monopole or vertical dipole will excel when located
> above a large ground-plane of salt-water. So a portable antenna like
> this, taken to an ocean beach, might just outperform a much "better"
> antenna over average soil. :)
>
> Hope this helps.
ParaBolicD...,
I like your Answer : Enough Details and not too Technical.
Plus you provided four good Go-Here-Reference
and For-More-Info Link/URLs.
You address the OP's Question about a "vertical antenna
both for transmitting and receiving".
a job well done - i give it an "a+" :o) ~ RHF
.
-ps- Most of the time the Amateur Radio Operators
{Hams} reply to simple Shortwave Radio Listener
(SWL) Questions : With Antenna Techincal Info that
is more applicable to both Transmitting and Receiving
-versus- Receiving Only Antenna Info. Understanding
the Question and the User's Intended Use allows the
Replier to Post a better Answer that meets the Wants
and Needs of the Original Poster.
.
dave
> Gotham Vertical V-160 or V-80
dave
Telamon
<56bd1e23-89f1-45e9...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 10:10 pm, parabolicd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mar 15, 12:33 pm, thebrow...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >
< SNIP >
> I like your Answer : Enough Details and not too Technical.
Lucky for you.
Oh, please keep things simple for the news group idiot.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
thebr...@earthlink.net
Hello Billy ! I was a ham over 40 years ago but I let my license
lapse because was engaged in other projects, But now I am
over 73 years old and would like to just listen to the ham bands,
I can receive and transmit in CW and was trained in the Army as
a high speed radio operator and later as a communications
specialist. But I do have a Transceiver that I want to keep as
a backup in case of emergency. My call signs were K0RZD in
the U.S. and DL4KZ in Germany.
Does that answer your question ?
Billy Burpelson
Sounds good...the only thing that wasn't clear in your original post was
you specifically asking for an antenna to receive AND *transmit*. Had
you said then that you just wanted to listen, I wouldn't have commented.
Don't let being 73 hold you back...getting a license is a LOT easier
than it was 40 years ago. NO CW required at all, just answering some
questions -- and they have all the questions AND answers posted on the
web for free. With your past ham background, it should be pretty easy
for you to get your ticket. Refer to RHF's post on the local clubs in
your area; they should be able to get you squared away.
Good luck! and 73...
dxAce
Billy Burpelson wrote:
> thebr...@earthlink.net wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:52:32 -0400, Billy Burpelson
> > <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote:
> >
> >> thebr...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>> I am getting old but I still want to watch the ham bands, I have a
> >>> transceiver for the ham bands and would like to buy a vertical
> >>> antenna both for transmitting and receiving.
> >>> Any body got any ideas ?
> >> Well, here's an idea...
> >>
> >> ...if you want to transmit, get a ham license first.
> >
> >
> > Hello Billy ! I was a ham over 40 years ago but I let my license
> > lapse because was engaged in other projects, But now I am
> > over 73 years old and would like to just listen to the ham bands,
> > I can receive and transmit in CW and was trained in the Army as
> > a high speed radio operator and later as a communications
> > specialist. But I do have a Transceiver that I want to keep as
> > a backup in case of emergency. My call signs were K0RZD in
> > the U.S. and DL4KZ in Germany.
> > Does that answer your question ?
>
> Sounds good...the only thing that wasn't clear in your original post was
> you specifically asking for an antenna to receive AND *transmit*.
What would it matter, dipshit, whether he wished to transmit or not? Perhaps,
unknown to you, he intended to get a new license. But, it's none of your damn
business what he wants to do.
Fuckin' dumbass.
dxAce
thebr...@earthlink.net wrote:
Please forgive Billy, he's retarded, and has not a clue about SWL'ing/DX'ing,
and even less of a clue regarding amateur radio.
Billy Burpelson
> What would it matter, dipshit, whether he wished to transmit or not? Perhaps,
> unknown to you,he intended to get a new license. But, it's none of your damn
> business what he wants to do.
>
> Fuckin' dumbass.
Oh, sorry, I forgot...it's Friday night and you're drunk already.
And yes, it -is- the business of all of us if he wanted to bootleg, just
like it's the business of all of us if an old lady is getting mugged,
rather than saying "Leave it for the police".
Remember, try not to mix your pain pills and booze. You wouldn't want to
give your 'friends' here the pleasure of you accidentally offing
yourself. Try and keep that firewater under control, Chief.
dxAce
Billy Burpelson, common drunk wrote:
> dxAceHole, wrote:
>
> > What would it matter, dipshit, whether he wished to transmit or not? Perhaps,
> > unknown to you,he intended to get a new license. But, it's none of your damn
> > business what he wants to do.
> >
> > Fuckin' dumbass.
>
> Oh, sorry, I forgot...
You do a lot of forgetting, Billy? I suggest you seek help, preferably with your
own kind, up in CanaDuh.
Telamon
Billy Burpelson <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote:
> thebr...@earthlink.net wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:52:32 -0400, Billy Burpelson
> > <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote:
> >
> >> thebr...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>> I am getting old but I still want to watch the ham bands, I have a
> >>> transceiver for the ham bands and would like to buy a vertical
> >>> antenna both for transmitting and receiving.
> >>> Any body got any ideas ?
> >> Well, here's an idea...
> >>
> >> ...if you want to transmit, get a ham license first.
> >
> >
> > Hello Billy ! I was a ham over 40 years ago but I let my license
> > lapse because was engaged in other projects, But now I am
> > over 73 years old and would like to just listen to the ham bands,
> > I can receive and transmit in CW and was trained in the Army as
> > a high speed radio operator and later as a communications
> > specialist. But I do have a Transceiver that I want to keep as
> > a backup in case of emergency. My call signs were K0RZD in
> > the U.S. and DL4KZ in Germany.
> > Does that answer your question ?
>
> Sounds good...the only thing that wasn't clear in your original post was
> you specifically asking for an antenna to receive AND *transmit*. Had
> you said then that you just wanted to listen, I wouldn't have commented.
< SNIP >
Don't sell yourself short. You would have come up with something asinine
to say. You always do.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
Billy Burpelson <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote:
> dxAceHole, common drunk wrote:
>
> > What would it matter, dipshit, whether he wished to transmit or not?
> > Perhaps,
> > unknown to you,he intended to get a new license. But, it's none of your
> > damn
> > business what he wants to do.
> >
> > Fuckin' dumbass.
>
> Oh, sorry, I forgot...it's Friday night and you're drunk already.
>
< SNIP >
You to post like an idiot any day of the week so what's your excuse?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
m II
SUPCOMUCOMM (Supreme Commander,
United Counties of Michigan Militia)
Michigan
USA
during his fifth annual Farewell Forever tour, said:
> Fuckin' dumbass.
The Wit and Wisdom of Steve Lare, aka dxAce,
SUPCOMUCOMM (Supreme Commander, United Counties of Michigan Militia)
Michigan
USA
(Updated regularly):
=================================================
I ain't white, but unlike you, I dislike no one.
Fuckin' dumbass.
Wonder why.... could it be that the Canucky Niggah is timid, afraid...?
Sorry, I'm not a racist like you, Edweenie...
Damn, the Canucky Niggah didn't have a damn thing to say...
Something for your faux Hispanic cock sucking brain to think about, eh?
You dumb sand niggers (sorry, I categorize ya all this way) need to
understand that you need to get your collective shit together...
Yes, I am witty, and I am wise!
True, ain't it, little faux Hispanic BOY.. (Heavy emphasis on the BOY!)
I said it before, and I say it again... Vicente Fox
is a stinking piece of Mexican shit.
Stuff a taco in it, Ramon!
And don't forget SAMBLA, South American Man Boy Love Association.
Mouth wide open, ready to take a load.
After eating the taco's wouldn't they be capable of gassing themelves?
It is then my patriotic friend, you must reach in the closet,
place your hands upon the weapon, and blow the cock sucking,
bean blower back into Mary's arms....
They are mere asswipes, suitable for flushing.
How many American lives were affected by the
slant eyed shit throughout the entire war?
Dumbass Canucks, sure ain't Rolex wearin' respectable folk...!
Or better yet, go get yourself some IBO Cock!
Yeah, after all, you're the Queen of your drug addled world.
And that has exactly what to do with the fact that CanaDuh is a
Third World Country?
Canucks need to be castrated.
Shame? Sorry, I'm not a dumbass Canuck. Blow me, boy.
Hey, buttfuck boy... try to pay attention, you little piece of
non-listening excrement.
Actually VA facilities are quite good, but if you Canucky niggahs poke
around one might find a lot of things wrong.
Why are the retards mostly dumbass Canucks?
Run along little Canucky dweeb.
One of my nicknames, starting around 1975 or so has been 'Raoul'
Well, now you know them, and you know me, Karl Mauritania!
Obviously you're just a retard boy who failed as a corporate manager.
Did I say it was, shit for brains?
I thank the Great Spirit every day for the fact that I'm not white like
you.
Because you're a moron, Druggie!
Ace is doing ok!
They don't call me 'Ace' for nothing!
And you, just another retard on the short bus.
All of my DX is better than your DX no matter what I do.
You claim to be 'Cherokee'... I think you're just 'Wannabee'...
No need to do anything more productive than cash the checks,
invest the money, do some DX'ing, and rile up the
mentally ill Canucks!
Why is it that you queers always seem to **SIGH** a lot? (1)
LOLOLOLOLOLOL... what a damn dumb cunt you are!
Now get your homo ass working on that documentation, boy!
Give it a shot queer boys, I dare ya!
Cocksuckers such as your self.
Hit the road, 'tard.
Toss 'em all, especially the Canucks!
So, just why is it that you queers always seem to **SIGH** a lot? (2)
Now go suck on some sushi, you little miscreant.
I just asked you to have the cunt send me a letter, boy.
So, just why is it that you queers always seem to **SIGH** a lot? (3)
"I'm so obese I had to get the extra heavy duty plastic blow-up doll"
Let me sum up, you Canucks are assholes!
So, just why is it that you queers always seem to **SIGH** a lot? (4)
Hit the road, drug addled fool.
Shame on CanaDuh for killing thousands of people every day.
Be sure to tell the bitch to send me that letter, faggot!
get your bitch *daughter* to send me a letter
Inquiring minds want to know just why is it that you queers always
seem to **SIGH** a lot? (5)
Have the bitch send me the letter!
Well, go tell your other cocksucking countrymen.
Hey, have the bitch send me a letter
I can show her mine, and she can show me yours?
Ain't gonna happen, ya got no air farce, ya got no ne vuy, va goy
nuthitin?
If you think for a moment that they'll listen to a drunken dumbass
Canuck you'd be sadly mistaken!
Have the bitch send me a f00kin letter!
You folk really think ya got balls?
Now run along to wherever it is you little debutantes run off to...
I'll be waiting for that letter from your *daughter*, asshole!
Oh yeah, tell me baby...
Hey, little pussy boy, we spell it "cunt" out here, just like I think I
spelled it originally, boy.
Never touched the skanky,,,
If I don't get that letter, boy, then you and your *daughter* must
both be drunk, eh?
Finally shut you up, eh boy?
Have the bitch send me a letter on whatever letterhead YOU
might make up.
Ain't that just speshul! He's got to go find somewun to
fake him a lettter.
Have the bitch send me a letter on her firms letterhead, boy.
Great, then get your bitch *daughter* to send me a letter on her firms
letterhead within the next two weeks!
Have your *daughter* draw up a contract, BOY!
Hey, 'Edurado', have your *daughter* get in touch with me, amigo
Guess that shut the little boy up!
Stuff it up your prancing ass, 'Tardo!
I'm LMFAO, since I've busted the f00kin faggot!
You are after all a drug addled 'tard boy who
obviously knows little about the SWL/DX hobby.
Go blow some IBO Cock, and leave the real radio hobbyists alone, OK?
Let the faggot boy prove it!
LMFAO at the f00kin faggot
Yes, I learn more and more with each passing day!
LMFAO at the pathological liar!
Lying 'tard boy, much like the other debutante, malcontent, faux boys
who inhabit the lace we call RRS.
You, on the other hand are nothing more than a sorry little
homosexual 'tard
Liar, liar, pantalunes on fire! (1)
New history will be made when we crush CanaDuh!
Kan you just imagining that, you little faggot Cannucky boy?
Anybody, even Bozo, is worth more than some dumbass, faggot, Canuck!
Get busy, boy!
But you can't prove it, retard boy!
I know you faggots have dreams
Blow it out your ass, you dumbass Canadian! You and the rest of your
dumbass countrymen, and women too!
You'd not be very happy if I returned, little bitch boy!
Go get some IBOCock, 'tard boy, and bring home a taste for yer mama.
If you'd like to call me, I'm here to help you until 0330 GMT at:
616 335-9762
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Go give your boyfriend a blow job!
Talk about misery, you're in f00kin CanaDuh, boy!
Poor little cocksucker just had it handed to him
Eh? You sum dumass Canucuy bithyboy...
As long as it screws you Canucks, I'm a happy camper!
That's because you're a fucking liar!
Cry me a f00kin river.
Awwwww... the poor whiny dumbass Canuck is back at it again today.
Huh... you be just another stupid white boy outta Cleveland...
I suggest you get together with your "significant other" and bump butt
with each other,
Because I hate White Boy Canucks who suck cock...
Best you shuffle down the alley! That's what your mama wanted!
Crazy Retarded Australian People?
"Even 2 cents is more than a totally worthless Canuck"
Funny how the US Govt. sent me over $50,000 last year
You can preDICK all you want, you fraudulent cock sucking,
pathologically lying old bastard boy!
Hey, dumbfuck Canuck, I was not asked to leave!
I don't use Chink stuff
I went and bought ammo... I still gots it case them tard boys such as
edweena gets stirred up.
And 10,000 rounds isn't a lot.
It was Russian ammo. I don't like the Chinese stuff.
Now where did I put that other case of ammo..
I don't use Chink ammo.
That's not Canuckian, boy!
Kiss my ass, pedant!
I'm LMFAO, Mr. Gay-Lick!
Obfuscate, you little prancer!
LMAO at the 'tard.
Thing is, you 'tards are pretty fixated upon one set of parameters.
That is after all why you are considered to be 'tards!
As always, your head is up your f00kin ass.
You fuckin' Liberal asswipes are always ready to give somebodys else's
goodies away...
And, hopefully, my dumbass cousin in Mill Valley will leave me her
Corvette.
Obviously, you leep your head up your f00kin ass all day long.
I don't 'fear' homos, oh faux one!
Liar, liar, pantalunes on fire! (2)
Apparently you are the 'bendover boy'....
Do you spit or swallow?
Oh, I certainly have, time after time.
At least I went farther than you!
Good lubricant for you and the boys?
It's what dxAce uses!
that's good enough for me!
One can never slide the BS by dxAce
Not as well as you, fudge pack.
Go for it, dumbass!
Oh come on... it's Fall forward and Spring back. Everyone knows that!
Hit the road, drug addled fool.
Hey, I love kickin' gay-lick ass!
Pretty much what I indicated to you a while back, you f00kin prancer.
The only thing you know about short wave is that that is what your
mother gave you when she sent your f00kin ass packin' outta Cleveland.
Screw the drug addled retards.
Nah, I only attack the messenger when he/she/it is
obviously drug addled.
So, beat the rush and get the hell off of RRS, you f00kin retard.
Well, in you, we have a drug addled retard in our midst.
Get over it, you fake Hispanic piece of excrement.
And when you do confront HD, you'll have Cocksucker Dave and
The Prancer Boys to thank for it.
Damn... I'm of mixed race ancestry myself, what ever should I do?
Next time we come over the pond once again to save your sorry ass's
we'll have to dismantle that stuff.
Heck, I bought 1000 shares of FSEAX the other day.
Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company,
in particular a fellow named Joseph Klein.
Not at all, we are both Miami Indians. ya got a problem with that, boy?
Ya right, suck my dick...
Believe it, it's like a dream to be with you again...
Then hit the road, you drug addled retard.
Just like you wish that you worked for me, retard!
Proven time and time again, fudge pack.
Get it, retard?
Dey done unnerstannn that us nateev boyyys R real Mericans!
I sure he is.
Insert your Gay-Lick reply here, boy:
And yet another Liberal rant
Nah, he was fake little cock sucker like you!
Your pathological lying is an offense to me, and more than likely an
offense to God as well.
No medications here, cock sucker boy..
Stuff a watermelon up it
But that stuff isn't what dxAce uses!
Come on now, you being a nice Liberal, Carbon Footprint, Al Gore, Cock
Sucking kinda Canuck Bastard..
I won R plantation up nord, dat dem dum ass Canuckys be oween us, ya be
'standin me?
CanaDuh is stupidity!
Stupid little pussy faggot!
Liar, liar, pantalunes on fire! (3)
Mr. Edweenie, the forces of Good are gonna come visit your sorry fake
Hispanic White Boy Ass if you keep it up!
Pay attention, cock sucker...
LMFAO as I sit and look at my royalty cheques...
You've done this before, cock sucker...
LMFAO at yet another dumb friggin Canuck..
I know it may be hard, but as you withdraw, it will shrink away..
Oh damn, I guess we pissed another wanker off, Cuz..
I get my ride be fixed, I be cruisin to be givin ya da shake, yu be
knowin, eh?
Try again, shithead.....
Dem Canucky boyz are dumaz rasissts..
We gone be sen u to sumplac bad boy... u be so bad weben the reel
Canuckys won wan u.
Fookin bustards! Like Edweenie!
Best you wake up soon... fookin retard leetle beetch..
Fookin 'retard.
Indeed, I'm now at WAR with Canuckistan..
May the Great Spirit help the hapless bastards.
At any rate, I'd bet it beats the Canucky Third World state of care...
CanaDuh sucks...
Wanna go to war, shit head?
Think you might win? Think you got a chance?
If you don't... I'd keep my fookin Canucky mouth shut, boy...
Meanwhile, I plan for the Spring campaign, looking forward to the
Blind River Massacre.
I collect stamps!
=====================================
dxAce
my mommy was a dumbass Canuck II wrote:
> dxAcehole, pathological liar, racist and common drunk,
> SUPCOMUCOMM (Supreme Commander,
> United Counties of Michigan Militia)
> Michigan
> USA
>
> during his fifth annual Farewell Forever tour, said:
>
> > Fuckin' dumbass.
Yes, you are. After all, you're a Canuck!
thebr...@earthlink.net
<telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
>In article <MUVEj.1474$p24...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> Billy Burpelson <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote:
O.K. Folks Please let this thread go, sorry I even asked, I bought
a vertical antenna and had it installed so I could listen in to
the ham bands and I never had the intention of transmitting
except for emergency.
Thanks for all the "Comments"
Telamon
thebr...@earthlink.net wrote:
Ignore Billy boy. He is an idiot. There was no problem with your
question. Enjoy SWL'ing.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
<telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article <v85ou3tekrpbf5i7624grssr228s29e...@4ax.com>,> > <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >In article <MUVEj.1474$p24....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> > > Billy Burpelson <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote:
>
> > O.K. Folks Please let this thread go, sorry I even asked, I bought
> > a vertical antenna and had it installed so I could listen in to
> > the ham bands and I never had the intention of transmitting
> > except for emergency.
>
> > Thanks for all the "Comments"
>
> Ignore Billy boy. He is an idiot.
- There was no problem with your question.
- Enjoy SWL'ing.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
Telamon - Thank you for KIPAR :o) ~ RHF
.