RF Systems MTA.
D Peter Maus
Finally got this antenna installed more permanently, in a quiet area
of the yard. Been using it basically leaning in a corner of the garage.
Now, it's out, it's elevated, and it's in the clear.
Results?
Astonishing.
This antenna is a helically wound coil, with 90/10 vertical to
horizontal polarization. Noise stops being an issue. Polarization fading
not an issue. Selective fading is still a PITA.
I've not measured the noise floor, yet, but it's so much lower than the
Eavesdropper, or the random wire, that I had to check to see if the
antenna was connected.
Output is lower than conventional antennae---it is only 7 feet
in length, after all---but the noise is so much lower, I can actually
hear stations on the MTA, that I can't on the Eavesdropper. A preamp is
nice, but not necessary. Most receivers do, indeed, have enough gain to
overcome the lower signal strength.
Electrical noise resistance is pretty amazing, as well. No popping. No
clicking. No buzzing. The noise from my T-1 router is still an
issue...even out in the yard..but only a few spots on the bands are
really trouble....3850 and it's multiples.
I can actually hear WLS for the first time in a couple of years.
Comparing the MTA on a Fanfare FT100 tuner with a McKay Dymek
DA-5 shielded AM antenna on a Fanfare FT100 tuner, MTA produces lower
signal output, but about the same noise floor. On a comm receiver, or
Sansui Tu-777, there is an improvement in listenability with the MTA
over the DA-5.
There are some noise sources in my house that need to be addressed.
I'll get to those as I can. And there is still that IBOC has that I've
not been able to null out. But, despite, performance is noticeably
improved.
This antenna needs to work with a good ground. Currently only using the
cold waterpipe running under the house (copper, 45' of it), and the
ground rod at the foot of the garage. I'll connect it to the ground
system out in the yard when I get a new strap.
Just over $259 installed.
Worth it.
Antenna system: MTA into Stridsberg active splitter.
Receivers:
Lowe HF-150
AR-7030+
Ten-Tec RX-350
Drake R8A
Drake SW8
Fanfare FT100
Halli S-53A
And one draft pick to be named later.
memberfdic.
RHF
-
- Finally got this antenna installed more permanently, in a quiet
area
- of the yard. Been using it basically leaning in a corner of the
garage.
- Now, it's out, it's elevated, and it's in the clear.
-
- Results?
-
- Astonishing.
-
- This antenna is a helically wound coil, with 90/10 vertical
- to horizontal polarization. Noise stops being an issue.
- Polarization fading not an issue.
- Selective fading is still a PITA.
-
- I've not measured the noise floor, yet, but it's so much lower
- than the Eavesdropper, or the random wire, that I had to check
- to see if the antenna was connected.
-
- Output is lower than conventional antennae---it is only 7 feet
- in length, after all---but the noise is so much lower, I can
- actually hear stations on the MTA, that I can't on the
- Eavesdropper. A preamp is nice, but not necessary.
- Most receivers do, indeed, have enough gain to
- overcome the lower signal strength.
-
- Electrical noise resistance is pretty amazing, as well.
- No popping. No clicking. No buzzing.
- The noise from my T-1 router is still an issue...even out
- in the yard..but only a few spots on the bands are
- really trouble....3850 and it's multiples.
-
- I can actually hear WLS for the first time in a couple of years.
-
- Comparing the MTA on a Fanfare FT100 tuner with a
- McKay Dymek DA-5 shielded AM antenna on a Fanfare
- FT100 tuner, MTA produces lower signal output, but about
- the same noise floor. On a comm receiver, or Sansui Tu-777,
- there is an improvement in listenability with the MTA over
- the DA-5.
-
- There are some noise sources in my house that need
- to be addressed. I'll get to those as I can. And there is
- still that IBOC has that I've not been able to null out.
- But, despite, performance is noticeably improved.
-
- This antenna needs to work with a good ground.
- Currently only using the cold waterpipe running under
- the house (copper, 45' of it), and the ground rod at the
- foot of the garage. I'll connect it to the ground system
- out in the yard when I get a new strap.
-
- Just over $259 installed.
-
- Worth it.
-
- Antenna system: MTA into Stridsberg active splitter.
-
- Receivers:
- Lowe HF-150
- AR-7030+
- Ten-Tec RX-350
- Drake R8A
- Drake SW8
- Fanfare FT100
- Halli S-53A
- And one draft pick to be named later.
-
- memberfdic.
DPM - Nice to Know that the RF Systems "MTA"
[Magnetic Transfer Antenna[ is working well for you. ~ RHF
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/sw_ant/3368.html
AM/Medium Wave and Shortwave Antenna 500 kHz~30 MHz
http://www.rf-systems.nl/pdf/mt.pdf
SWLers - Two Important Things To Do With Any Active Antennas are . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b6c057920e20ac0c
They Work Well for Small Low Noise Passive Antennas Too !
.
D Peter Maus
This is a passive antenna. No active components.
Fireb...@gmail.com
You have to excuse Roy, his pea sized brain is fried due to too many
active antennas and microwave waveforms pointed at his deformed
cranium.
He just can stop posting his bullshit and links on each and every post
here.
RHF
1 - SWLers - Two Important Things To Do With Any Active Antennas
are . . .
2 - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b6c057920e20ac0c
3 - They Work Well for Small Low Noise Passive Antennas Too !
- This is a passive antenna. No active components.
DPM - Hey you got that right
+ That is what I wrote in Line 3 ~ RHF
Placement + Grounding + Tip + Note
.
RHF
- - - [Magnetic Transfer Antenna[ is working well for you. ~ RHF
- - - http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/sw_ant/3368.html
- - - AM/Medium Wave and Shortwave Antenna 500 kHz~30 MHz
- - - http://www.rf-systems.nl/pdf/mt.pdf
- - -
- - - SWLers - Two Important Things To Do With Any Active Antennas
are . . .
- - - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b6c057920e20ac0c
- - - They Work Well for Small Low Noise Passive Antennas Too !
- - - .
- - This is a passive antenna. No active components.
- You have to excuse Roy, his pea sized brain is fried due
- to too many active antennas and microwave waveforms
- pointed at his deformed cranium.
-
- He just can stop posting his bullshit and links on each
- and every post here.
FireBottle,
Actually I only use a "Pea Sized" {Passive} part
of my Brain to reply to you - Just To Make It 'Fair'.
dang that was easy ~ RHF
.
Brian Denley
it's built like a tank (and all stainless) but I'd like a second antenna. I
live in fairly crowded surburban area north of Boston and that vertical is
very appealing. What frequency range have you tested? My receivers feed
into the W8ZR multicoupler (built from kit).
--
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http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html
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Brian Denley
because that looks like a tough choice.
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http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html
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D Peter Maus
> Interesting post Peter: I have the RF Systems MLB random wire antenna and
> it's built like a tank (and all stainless) but I'd like a second antenna. I
> live in fairly crowded surburban area north of Boston and that vertical is
> very appealing. What frequency range have you tested? My receivers feed
> into the W8ZR multicoupler (built from kit).
>
Noise resistance is nothing short of amazing.
Here I sit with brewing thunderstorms a few miles north, and MW is
wiped out on every receiver but those connected to the MTA. I'm
listening to 5975 on the Drake, with only the faintest trace of
electrical noise.
Never got this quiet with the Eavesdropper or the A-D DX Ultra.
Sensitivity is fairly uniform with this antenna across the spectrum
from 500k to about 29M. No peaks. No valleys. I've gone up and down the
dial. No surprises. Always quiet, and smooth response.
D Peter Maus
> ..and what was your thinking in picking the MTA over the GMDSS? I ask
> because that looks like a tough choice.
>
It was. I was concerned about MW sensitivity as well as upper HF. LF
is pretty much a wash around here. Only a beacon or two. And I do listen
10 meter hams, so the upper limit of the MTA, and the good MW action
down to 500k was a more desireable curve than the GMDSS with it's roll
off at 25 Mhzr and extended response down to 100k.
I may spring for the GMDSS later, to compare, but for now, the MTA
gets me precisely where I want to go.
Rare for a single antenna to meet so many needs out of the box.
willis...@embarqmail.com
people it's pricing, for others its product design), but I've been
very happy with the three items that I've used from them, and the MTA
is one of them. I have no hesitation spending the money for one of
their radio products.
On Jul 6, 6:41 pm, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Finally got this antenna installed more permanently, in a quiet area
> of the yard. Been using it basically leaning in a corner of the garage.
> Now, it's out, it's elevated, and it's in the clear.
>
> Results?
>
> Astonishing.
>
> This antenna is a helically wound coil, with 90/10 vertical to
> horizontal polarization. Noise stops being an issue. Polarization fading
> not an issue. Selective fading is still a PITA.
>
> I've not measured the noise floor, yet, but it's so much lower than the
> Eavesdropper, or the random wire, that I had to check to see if the
> antenna was connected.
>
> Output is lower than conventional antennae---it is only 7 feet
> in length, after all---but the noise is so much lower, I can actually
> hear stations on the MTA, that I can't on the Eavesdropper. A preamp is
> nice, but not necessary. Most receivers do, indeed, have enough gain to
> overcome the lower signal strength.
>
> Electrical noise resistance is pretty amazing, as well. No popping. No
> clicking. No buzzing. The noise from my T-1 router is still an
> issue...even out in the yard..but only a few spots on the bands are
> really trouble....3850 and it's multiples.
> Just over $259 installed.
>
> Worth it
dxAce
willis...@embarqmail.com wrote:
> RF Systems has been talked down for years on this newsgroup (for some
> people it's pricing, for others its product design), but I've been
> very happy with the three items that I've used from them, and the MTA
> is one of them. I have no hesitation spending the money for one of
> their radio products.
They once threatened to sue me for making matching transformers.
D Peter Maus
>
> willis...@embarqmail.com wrote:
>
>> RF Systems has been talked down for years on this newsgroup (for some
>> people it's pricing, for others its product design), but I've been
>> very happy with the three items that I've used from them, and the MTA
>> is one of them. I have no hesitation spending the money for one of
>> their radio products.
>
> They once threatened to sue me for making matching transformers.
No shit?
On what grounds?
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
> dxAce wrote:
> >
> > willis...@embarqmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> RF Systems has been talked down for years on this newsgroup (for some
> >> people it's pricing, for others its product design), but I've been
> >> very happy with the three items that I've used from them, and the MTA
> >> is one of them. I have no hesitation spending the money for one of
> >> their radio products.
> >
> > They once threatened to sue me for making matching transformers.
>
> No shit?
>
> On what grounds?
They indicated in their letter (sure wish I still had it, as I'd frame it!) that it was
a proprietary design and I had no business making them and selling them.
I believe I wrote back asking them what was proprietary about winding some wire on a
ferrite toroid. Additionally, my case design was different from theirs as well.
I never heard back from them again.
My design was based upon the work of John Bryant and Nick Hall-Patch and appeared in
Fine Tuning's 'Proceedings' in the late 80's as I recall.
dxAce
dxAce wrote:
> D Peter Maus wrote:
>
> > dxAce wrote:
> > >
> > > willis...@embarqmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> RF Systems has been talked down for years on this newsgroup (for some
> > >> people it's pricing, for others its product design), but I've been
> > >> very happy with the three items that I've used from them, and the MTA
> > >> is one of them. I have no hesitation spending the money for one of
> > >> their radio products.
> > >
> > > They once threatened to sue me for making matching transformers.
> >
> > No shit?
> >
> > On what grounds?
>
> They indicated in their letter (sure wish I still had it, as I'd frame it!) that it was
> a proprietary design and I had no business making them and selling them.
>
> I believe I wrote back asking them what was proprietary about winding some wire on a
> ferrite toroid. Additionally, my case design was different from theirs as well.
>
> I never heard back from them again.
>
> My design was based upon the work of John Bryant and Nick Hall-Patch and appeared in
> Fine Tuning's 'Proceedings' in the late 80's as I recall.
For those interested here are some links:
http://members.aol.com/DXerCapeCod/z_transformers.pdf
http://www.dxing.info/equipment/impedance_matching_bryant.pdf
D Peter Maus
>
> D Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> dxAce wrote:
>>> willis...@embarqmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> RF Systems has been talked down for years on this newsgroup (for some
>>>> people it's pricing, for others its product design), but I've been
>>>> very happy with the three items that I've used from them, and the MTA
>>>> is one of them. I have no hesitation spending the money for one of
>>>> their radio products.
>>> They once threatened to sue me for making matching transformers.
>> No shit?
>>
>> On what grounds?
>
> They indicated in their letter (sure wish I still had it, as I'd frame it!) that it was
> a proprietary design and I had no business making them and selling them.
>
> I believe I wrote back asking them what was proprietary about winding some wire on a
> ferrite toroid. Additionally, my case design was different from theirs as well.
>
I would think, unless they were prepared to produce a document signed
by Faraday, they'd have been thought twice about making THAT claim.
> I never heard back from them again.
>
> My design was based upon the work of John Bryant and Nick Hall-Patch and appeared in
> Fine Tuning's 'Proceedings' in the late 80's as I recall.
As I recall, yours was somewhat different in performance, as well.
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
> dxAce wrote:
> >
> > D Peter Maus wrote:
> >
> >> dxAce wrote:
> >>> willis...@embarqmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> RF Systems has been talked down for years on this newsgroup (for some
> >>>> people it's pricing, for others its product design), but I've been
> >>>> very happy with the three items that I've used from them, and the MTA
> >>>> is one of them. I have no hesitation spending the money for one of
> >>>> their radio products.
> >>> They once threatened to sue me for making matching transformers.
> >> No shit?
> >>
> >> On what grounds?
> >
> > They indicated in their letter (sure wish I still had it, as I'd frame it!) that it was
> > a proprietary design and I had no business making them and selling them.
> >
> > I believe I wrote back asking them what was proprietary about winding some wire on a
> > ferrite toroid. Additionally, my case design was different from theirs as well.
> >
>
> I would think, unless they were prepared to produce a document signed
> by Faraday, they'd have been thought twice about making THAT claim.
>
> > I never heard back from them again.
> >
> > My design was based upon the work of John Bryant and Nick Hall-Patch and appeared in
> > Fine Tuning's 'Proceedings' in the late 80's as I recall.
>
> As I recall, yours was somewhat different in performance, as well.
Yes, it was and is!
D Peter Maus
Clearly they're smoking some good shit in the polder.
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
And most likely better stuff than Rickets is doing as well!
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
> dxAce wrote:
> >
> > D Peter Maus wrote:
> >
> >> dxAce wrote:
> >>> willis...@embarqmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> RF Systems has been talked down for years on this newsgroup (for some
> >>>> people it's pricing, for others its product design), but I've been
> >>>> very happy with the three items that I've used from them, and the MTA
> >>>> is one of them. I have no hesitation spending the money for one of
> >>>> their radio products.
> >>> They once threatened to sue me for making matching transformers.
> >> No shit?
> >>
> >> On what grounds?
> >
> > They indicated in their letter (sure wish I still had it, as I'd frame it!) that it was
> > a proprietary design and I had no business making them and selling them.
> >
> > I believe I wrote back asking them what was proprietary about winding some wire on a
> > ferrite toroid. Additionally, my case design was different from theirs as well.
> >
>
> I would think, unless they were prepared to produce a document signed
> by Faraday, they'd have been thought twice about making THAT claim.
>
> > I never heard back from them again.
> >
> > My design was based upon the work of John Bryant and Nick Hall-Patch and appeared in
> > Fine Tuning's 'Proceedings' in the late 80's as I recall.
>
> As I recall, yours was somewhat different in performance, as well.
Here is the review which was published in 1992:
http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm
D Peter Maus
That's it. Thanks.
m II
> I would think, unless they were prepared to produce a document signed
> by Faraday, they'd have been thought twice about making THAT claim.
Faraday was the guy Tesla looked up to. He stated his admiration for the
man and his work on a number of occasions.
mike
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"D Peter Maus" <DPete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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D Peter Maus
> D Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> I would think, unless they were prepared to produce a document signed
>> by Faraday, they'd have been thought twice about making THAT claim.
>
>
> Faraday was the guy Tesla looked up to. He stated his admiration for the
> man and his work on a number of occasions.
>
>
He did in fact.
And he was right to do so.
>
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
Hey Pete, still up listening to my pal Mr. Goodman, and Rainbow Road.
D Peter Maus
Cool.
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
Yeah, and though some might have made fun of my making a contribution to the the
leukaemia fund, I can still remember my pal Steve, and wear my Rush T-shirt with
pride..
D Peter Maus
Goodman was a natural resource. As much a songwriter and Townes Van
Zandt, with just a bit more whimsy.
And he was a hometown boy.
Anyone that gives you shit for donating to the leukemia fund needs to
be beaten with Rickets.
And I salute you for wearing your Rush T-Shirt with pride.
I know it shocks and appalls those on the road when I'm out riding my
motorcycle and the radio is on Rush. Oh well...sucks to be them, I guess.
My bike, my radio.
The way God intended it should be.
p
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
Yep, still up, listening, and remembering! Hard guy to forget, sure wish he was still
around...
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
> dxAce wrote:
> >
> > D Peter Maus wrote:
> >
> >> dxAce wrote:
> >>> D Peter Maus wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> m II wrote:
> >>>>> D Peter Maus wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I would think, unless they were prepared to produce a document signed
> >>>>>> by Faraday, they'd have been thought twice about making THAT claim.
> >>>>> Faraday was the guy Tesla looked up to. He stated his admiration for the
> >>>>> man and his work on a number of occasions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> He did in fact.
> >>>>
> >>>> And he was right to do so.
> >>> Hey Pete, still up listening to my pal Mr. Goodman, and Rainbow Road.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Cool.
> >
> > Yeah, and though some might have made fun of my making a contribution to the the
> > leukaemia fund, I can still remember my pal Steve, and wear my Rush T-shirt with
> > pride..
> >
> >
>
> Goodman was a natural resource. As much a songwriter and Townes Van
> Zandt, with just a bit more whimsy.
>
> And he was a hometown boy.
Yep, and as soon as I can figure out how to get my left arm and fingers going again
(if ever) I'm gonna hit the damn road.
> Anyone that gives you shit for donating to the leukemia fund needs to
> be beaten with Rickets.
Yeah, for sure.
> And I salute you for wearing your Rush T-Shirt with pride.
Ain't put it on yet, think the Anniversary is in a few weeks.
> I know it shocks and appalls those on the road when I'm out riding my
> motorcycle and the radio is on Rush.
Most folks don't even know what it be like out on the road!
> Oh well...sucks to be them, I guess.
>
> My bike, my radio.
>
> The way God intended it should be.
Yep, the Great Spirit watches over us all!
David Eduardo
"dxAce" <dx...@CrossFireHurricane.Com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Yep, the Great Spirit watches over us all!
>
>
And we know how much you enjoy spirits.
Telamon
Yeah, I get looks when I have windows in the car open and I either have
talk radio or classical music playing.
--
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Ventura, California
Telamon
"David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
And we know how much you love to make stuff up.
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Ventura, California
David Eduardo
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
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dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
And we know how much you enjoy...
Your mama ain't proud, you phony Hispanic.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Well, then you do it for your pleasure, right?
RHF
- - - - They once threatened to sue me for making matching
transformers.
- - - No shit?
- - - On what grounds?
- - They indicated in their letter (sure wish I still had it,
- - as I'd frame it!) that it was a proprietary design and
- - I had no business making them and selling them.
- -
- - I believe I wrote back asking them what was proprietary
- - about winding some wire on a ferrite toroid. Additionally,
- - my case design was different from theirs as well.
- -
- - I never heard back from them again.
- -
- - My design was based upon the work of John Bryant
- - and Nick Hall-Patch and appeared in Fine Tuning's
- - 'Proceedings' in the late 80's as I recall.
- For those interested here are some links:
-
- http://members.aol.com/DXerCapeCod/z_transformers.pdf
-
- http://www.dxing.info/equipment/impedance_matching_bryant.pdf
Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Newbies -Read-
The Verdict : Magnetic Longwire Balun Is Too Expensive
-by- Alan Johnson -source- HardCoreDX.Com
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/feed/magbalun.html
The N8KDV 10:1 transformer is the best buy, based on price and
performance.
N8KDV -aka- DX Ace
RF Systems Magnetic Longwire Balun (MLB) -versus-
N8KDV 10:1 Matching Transformer
http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm
.
Inside View of the RF Systems Magnetic Longwire Balun ( MLB )
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/422a3d7718c37868
.
Tip # 1 - WR LWA-0130 Long Wire Antenna Adapter
-by- WinRadio
http://www.grove-ent.com/WR0130.html
Works as well {IMHO} as the RF Systems Magnetic
Longwire Balun (MLB) at about half the price.
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/sw_ant/1484.html
.
Tipe # 2 - The Par Electronics End-Fed Short Wave Listener
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/sw_ant/2205.html
(EF-SWL) Antenna is a very good value with both the
Matching Transformer with the "Flex-Weave" Wire Antenna
Element at about half the price of the RF Systems MLBA -
MK1 Matching Transformer with Wire Antenna Element.
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/sw_ant/1465.html
.
Tip # 3 - The ICE 180 a reasonably priced Professional
Matching Unit -by- John Doty
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/feed/ice180.html
NOTE: The ICE 180 Series of Matching Transformers
also include a Gas Discharge Tube for some degree of
Lightening Protection. (I believe the #181A covers the
AM/MW and SW Bands from 500kHz – 30MHz.)
.
What About Using a 9:1 Matching Transformer with a Longwire Antenna
and a Ground at the Radio Shack ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8f8b6a5e41949aad
.
Balun Reading List ( Long )
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d14779c94ac46fe0
.
RF Systems Magnetic Longwire Balun (MLB)
-=V=- Longwire Impedance Matcher (LIM)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d9905736ffa71e6e
.
SWL Newbies : The Magnetic Long-Wire Antenna Balun
- A Balun It Ain't ! - But It Works :o)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5a334b2122c8ddbf
.
.
using a matching transformer can be the 'magic' that makes
shortwave radio listening enjoyable - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}
.
Are You Interested in building a better Shortwave Listening*
(SWL) Antenna ? {SWL Group} => http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
GoTo => http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
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Telamon
"David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:telamon_spamshield-8...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> > In article <ukYck.22795$co7....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> > "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@CrossFireHurricane.Com> wrote in message
> >> news:48744F71...@CrossFireHurricane.Com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yep, the Great Spirit watches over us all!
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> And we know how much you enjoy spirits.
> >
> > And we know how much you love to make stuff up.
> >
> Not even for your drunken pleasure.
Hey Eduardo, go pleasure yourself in another news group you loser.
Your Eduardo brand BS is getting old here.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
David Eduardo
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
And who the heck are you to tell anyone what to do?
m II
> Hey Eduardo, go pleasure yourself in another news group you loser.
Between dxAce's rampant homosexuality, drunkenness, racism and your
innuendo, it's getting a bit disgusting here. Why can't you guys return
to wholesome family values?
Think of the children.
mike
--
Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter
blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups.
I'm waiting for Acehole to turn this into yet another Canada bashing
episode.
Telamon
> Telamon wrote:
>
> > Hey Eduardo, go pleasure yourself in another news group you loser.
>
> Between dxAce's rampant homosexuality, drunkenness, racism and your
> innuendo, it's getting a bit disgusting here. Why can't you guys return
> to wholesome family values?
>
> Think of the children.
Maybe you should Mike. There is no age limit on reading the news group
and you post a lot of disgusting crap. You are a public embarrassment
having made many filthy posts. What you do is to go beyond some bad
language posting sick ideas constantly. I don't need to read this crap
from you every day.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:telamon_spamshield-0...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> > In article <mCYck.22797$co7....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> > "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:telamon_spamshield-8...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net.
> >> ..
> >> > In article <ukYck.22795$co7....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> >> > "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "dxAce" <dx...@CrossFireHurricane.Com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:48744F71...@CrossFireHurricane.Com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yep, the Great Spirit watches over us all!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> And we know how much you enjoy spirits.
> >> >
> >> > And we know how much you love to make stuff up.
> >> >
> >> Not even for your drunken pleasure.
> >
> > Hey Eduardo, go pleasure yourself in another news group you loser.
>
> And who the heck are you to tell anyone what to do?
And who the heck are you to spew your crap in a public news group loser.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
* * Two Star Snip * *
- Between dxAce's rampant homosexuality, drunkenness,
- racism
Mike [M II] Lets See - You Call DX Ace
* rampant homosexuality
* drunkenness
* racism
- and your innuendo,
- it's getting a bit disgusting here.
Mike [M II] and you are part of the Problem
- - - Heal Thy Self !
- Why can't you guys return
- to wholesome family values?
Mike [M II] - It Starts With You [.]
> Think of the children.
Mike [M II] - Yes Indeed - Think of the Children.
- - - - - -
NOTE - Mike [M II]'s Hate Speech Agains Google Groups Deleted.
- - - - - -
- I'm waiting for Acehole to turn this into
- yet another Canada bashing episode.
Mike [M II] - Then Why Do You Bash At All . . .
-why- Make the Intemperate Remakes Yourself ?
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(OT) : Mike [M II] - Do As You Say - Not As You Do
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m II
> You are a public embarrassment
> having made many filthy posts. What you do is to go beyond some bad
> language posting sick ideas constantly. I don't need to read this crap
> from you every day.
>
It's not sick. It's social commentary and critique. Your acceptance of
Lare's drunken racist rants is what's sick. My attempts at humiliating
him into a civil behaviour have so far failed.
Won't you help by condemning the next idiotic attack makes?
Telamon
> Telamon wrote:
>
> > You are a public embarrassment
> > having made many filthy posts. What you do is to go beyond some bad
> > language posting sick ideas constantly. I don't need to read this crap
> > from you every day.
> >
>
> It's not sick. It's social commentary and critique. Your acceptance of
> Lare's drunken racist rants is what's sick. My attempts at humiliating
> him into a civil behaviour have so far failed.
>
> Won't you help by condemning the next idiotic attack makes?
Don't try to justify what you do here. DxAce posts some swear words and
the next thing you know you come along with your disgusting ideas. Swear
back at him if you must but drop the pervert stuff OK. Nobody needs that
sick stuff here.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
m II
> Don't try to justify what you do here. DxAce posts some swear words and
> the next thing you know you come along with your disgusting ideas. Swear
> back at him if you must but drop the pervert stuff OK. Nobody needs that
> sick stuff here.
>
Please be sure to remember that next time Cuhulin posts about his cross
dressing or bestiality. Or when dxAce solicits fellatio from male
members of this group.
You have rather selective ideas which attribute what's perverse
according to who posts it. Let's have a bit of equality in your
condemnation, ok? It seems you hate my responding to the deviants but
NOT to their original postings.
Telamon
> Telamon wrote:
>
> > Don't try to justify what you do here. DxAce posts some swear words and
> > the next thing you know you come along with your disgusting ideas. Swear
> > back at him if you must but drop the pervert stuff OK. Nobody needs that
> > sick stuff here.
> >
>
> Please be sure to remember that next time Cuhulin posts about his cross
> dressing or bestiality. Or when dxAce solicits fellatio from male
> members of this group.
< SNIP >
I asked you knock off the sick stuff.
What other people do is not a justification for what you do.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
A Brown
>
> What other people do is not a justification for what you do.
>
Pot, meet kettle.
m II
> What other people do is not a justification for what you do.
Darn. There go my plans to invade Iraq.
On a more serious note, you have a valid point. I will stop advertising
the glaring shortcomings and obvious moral turpitude of others if they
start treating other members of this fine newsgroup like human beings.
Someone having a differing viewpoint than ourselves isn't automatically
a boy, fool, moron, retard, lunatic, liar or enemy of the State. The
place and time you're observing from can change your perspective on the
world.
Telamon
> Telamon wrote:
>
> > What other people do is not a justification for what you do.
>
>
> Darn. There go my plans to invade Iraq.
Don't worry there is still Iran.
> On a more serious note, you have a valid point. I will stop advertising
> the glaring shortcomings and obvious moral turpitude of others if they
> start treating other members of this fine newsgroup like human beings.
You go right ahead and give people the criticism you feel they deserve.
Just stop the perverted talk.
Thank you very much.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
dxAce
m II wrote:
> Telamon wrote:
>
> > You are a public embarrassment
> > having made many filthy posts. What you do is to go beyond some bad
> > language posting sick ideas constantly. I don't need to read this crap
> > from you every day.
> >
>
> It's not sick. It's social commentary and critique. Your acceptance of
> Lare's drunken racist rants is what's sick. My attempts at humiliating
> him into a civil behaviour have so far failed.
>
> Won't you help by condemning the next idiotic attack makes?
Stuff a sock in it, dumbass.
D Peter Maus
m II wrote:
>
> My attempts at humiliating
> him into a civil behaviour have so far failed.
It's not your job to determine, influence, or shape Ace's, or
anyone's behaviour.
D Peter Maus
>
> It's not sick. It's social commentary and critique. Your acceptance of
> Lare's drunken racist rants is what's sick. My attempts at humiliating
> him into a civil behaviour have so far failed.
>
For the record...two of the quotes you attribute to him...I said
them, not him.
I'll let you figure out which ones.
m II
Group behaviour in general has a strong influence on individual members.
Care to help in the betterment of the local environment?
D Peter Maus
> D Peter Maus wrote:
>>
>> m II wrote:
>>> My attempts at humiliating
>>> him into a civil behaviour have so far failed.
>>
>> It's not your job to determine, influence, or shape Ace's, or
>> anyone's behaviour.
>
> Group behaviour in general has a strong influence on individual members.
> Care to help in the betterment of the local environment?
>
See above.
m II
I see it. I also see you, RHF, Telamon and dxAce trying to change the
behaviour and opinions of others via the use of slurs, insults and
belittling.
How can you apply your 'shaping' techniques to others while condemning mine?
Your phrase:
"It's not your job to determine, influence, or shape Ace's, or
anyone's behaviour.", obviously implies that you want to determine,
influence, or shape *MY* behaviour.
m II
>> On a more serious note, you have a valid point. I will stop advertising
>> the glaring shortcomings and obvious moral turpitude of others if they
>> start treating other members of this fine newsgroup like human beings.
>
> You go right ahead and give people the criticism you feel they deserve.
> Just stop the perverted talk.
> Thank you very much.
>
Telamon, you accidentally dropped something. Let me get it for
you...Ahh..here it is:
====================================
Someone having a differing viewpoint than ourselves isn't automatically
a boy, fool, moron, retard, lunatic, liar or enemy of the State. The
place and time you're observing from can change your perspective on the
world.
====================================
D Peter Maus
> D Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> m II wrote:
>>> D Peter Maus wrote:
>>>> m II wrote:
>>>>> My attempts at humiliating
>>>>> him into a civil behaviour have so far failed.
>>>> It's not your job to determine, influence, or shape Ace's, or
>>>> anyone's behaviour.
>>> Group behaviour in general has a strong influence on individual members.
>>> Care to help in the betterment of the local environment?
>>>
>> See above.
>
>
> I see it. I also see you, RHF, Telamon and dxAce trying to change the
> behaviour and opinions of others via the use of slurs, insults and
> belittling.
>
> How can you apply your 'shaping' techniques to others while condemning mine?
>
> Your phrase:
> "It's not your job to determine, influence, or shape Ace's, or
> anyone's behaviour.", obviously implies that you want to determine,
> influence, or shape *MY* behaviour.
>
>
Nice try. No cigar.
>
>
> mike
>
>
>
>
RHF
> D Peter Maus wrote:
>
> > m II wrote:
>
> >> My attempts at humiliating
> >> him into a civil behaviour have so far failed.
>
> > It's not your job to determine, influence, or shape Ace's, or
> > anyone's behaviour.
- Group behaviour in general has a strong influence
- on individual members.
- Care to help in the betterment of the local environment?
-
- mike
Mike - Yeah There's the Door ! ;-} ~ RHF
- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter
- blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups.
-
- http://improve-usenet.org/
Mike - Why don't you start by stopping the Preaching
of Hate Against Google Groups Users -or- In your little
world is there only one way to use the internet ? ? ?
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RHF
> D Peter Maus wrote:
> > m II wrote:
> >> D Peter Maus wrote:
>
> >>> m II wrote:
> >>>> My attempts at humiliating
> >>>> him into a civil behaviour have so far failed.
>
> >>> It's not your job to determine, influence, or shape Ace's, or
> >>> anyone's behaviour.
>
> >> Group behaviour in general has a strong influence on individual members.
> >> Care to help in the betterment of the local environment?
>
> > See above.
>
> I see it. I also see you, RHF, Telamon and dxAce trying to change the
> behaviour and opinions of others via the use of slurs, insults and
> belittling.
>
- to others while condemning mine?
Mike - Easy : Do As I Say - Not As I Do ~ RHF
>
> Your phrase:
> "It's not your job to determine, influence, or shape Ace's, or
> anyone's behaviour.", obviously implies that you want to determine,
> influence, or shape *MY* behaviour.
>
> mike
>
> --
> Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter
> blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups.
>
> http://improve-usenet.org/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
m II
> Mike - Why don't you start by stopping the Preaching
> of Hate Against Google Groups Users -or- In your little
> world is there only one way to use the internet ? ? ?
> .
Get them to stop the garbage mail and assorted spam from China. Then
I'll do it. Google has turned into a cancer.
mike
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Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter
blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups.
Telamon
> RHF wrote:
>
> > Mike - Why don't you start by stopping the Preaching
> > of Hate Against Google Groups Users -or- In your little
> > world is there only one way to use the internet ? ? ?
> > .
>
> Get them to stop the garbage mail and assorted spam from China. Then
> I'll do it. Google has turned into a cancer.
>
Google is worse. They alter all the posts so that all addresses are
munged. Even in the body of the text.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
The latest RRS Spammer is from India not China :
Report the SPAM from India promoting the
-website- http://digitalvidya.blogspot.com/
-posted-by- chandru <vidyyak...@gmail.com>
Using "gmail" posted via "Google Groups"
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m II
> The latest RRS Spammer is from India not China :
> Report the SPAM from India promoting the
> -website- http://digitalvidya.b&^%$#gspot.com/
> -posted-by- chandru <vidyyak...@gmail.com>
>
> Using "gmail" posted via "Google Groups"
> .
What gmail spam from India?
RHF
> RHF wrote:
> > The latest RRS Spammer is from India not China :
> > Report the SPAM from India promoting the
- What gmail spam from India?
32 Posts this Month by : vidyyak...@gmail.com
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=kONzOhQAAAAAJ9u_T1Ph7QUbAQWHYeGhOPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A
m II
> - What gmail spam from India?
>
> 32 Posts this Month by : vidyyak...@gmail.com
> http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=kONzOhQAAAAAJ9u_T1Ph7QUbAQWHYeGhOPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A
My filter is working fine. I haven't seen even one. Every posting with a
gmail address is trashed. I lose a few real postings, but despite that
it makes life a lot easier.