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Tex

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May 10, 2008, 3:00:47 AM5/10/08
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should reimburse the American taxpayers for the $250,000 vandalism
damage they and their staff did to the White House just days before
leaving office?

Considering their net worth is $109 million I will cast the first YES
vote.

Bob Miller

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May 10, 2008, 11:47:54 AM5/10/08
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On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:47 -0700 (PDT), Tex <te...@138mail.com>
wrote:

>should reimburse the American taxpayers for the $250,000 vandalism
>damage they and their staff did to the White House just days before
>leaving office?

Do you believe everything Ari Fleischer told you?

Maybe Bush can start making down payment retributions on the cost of
the Iraq war.

bob
k5qwg

dxAce

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May 10, 2008, 12:08:44 PM5/10/08
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Tex wrote:

> should reimburse the American taxpayers for the $250,000 vandalism
> damage they and their staff did to the White House just days before
> leaving office?

I think Bill should be incarcerated for giving pardons to all the criminals just
days before leaving the oval shaped sexual romping room.


David

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May 10, 2008, 12:44:15 PM5/10/08
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Oh Please !

Go back to voting for Ron Paul . ..

David

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May 10, 2008, 12:47:32 PM5/10/08
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On May 10, 11:47 am, Bob Miller <NOS...@neosoft.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:47 -0700 (PDT), Tex <te...@138mail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >should reimburse the American taxpayers for the $250,000 vandalism
> >damage they and their staff did to the White House just days before
> >leaving office?
>
> Do you believe everything Ari Fleischer told you?

- Doubtles, Doubtless...


>
> Maybe Bush can start making down payment retributions on the cost of
> the Iraq war.
>
>

He can start by personally saying he was mistaken about the WMD's in
Iraq
to the families of the 4,000 dead servicemen who died in Iraq

dxAce

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May 10, 2008, 12:48:31 PM5/10/08
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David wrote:

Rickets, you're a disease!


RHF

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May 10, 2008, 1:44:30 PM5/10/08
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OK Here Are My Two Votes for Hillary and Bill Clinton !
.
VOTE # 1 :
I Vote That Hillary "Rotten" Clinton stays a US Senator for the
Rest of Her Term and let the Votes of New York Vote Her Out.
.
Hillary-is-Toast.Com - www.hillary-is-toast.com
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2c23a10d68e92b10
Brought to You -by- Barack "?" Obama
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2c1e805c034783e5
.
VOTE # 2 :
I Vote that Bill "Slick-Willie" Clinton stays Retired [.]
.
Read - The Clinton Body Count -by- Ether Zone -staff-
http://www.etherzone.com/body.html
. . . and there is even more
http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc-body.html
http://www.lizmichael.com/clintond.htm
http://www.newsfollowup.com/bushfortune.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html
.
Read About -Bill Clinton's Killer Peace :
Active Duty Deaths : Presidents George "W" Bush
-versus- Bill Clinton
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/active_duty_deaths_bush_vs_clinton/
There Were More Military Deaths During The Clinton Presidency
Than During the George W. Bush Presidency
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/military-deaths.htm
.
Read - The Skeletons in Bill Clinton's Closet
http://www.realchange.org/clinton.htm
.
BEWARE of the Arkansas Sudden Death Syndrome {ASDS}
-by- The Progressive Review
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1142670/posts
.
ABOUT - William Jefferson Blythe III
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton
-aka- William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton
.
.
Remember "ABbH" : Any Body but Hillary* in 2008 !
[ Hillary R. Clinton = HRH = Her Royal Clintoness ]
http://www.hillaryclintonrevealed.net/HillaryRedistribution.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/z/c/1/hillary_queen_usa.jpg
.
* Stay Out The Clintoons ! ~ RHF
http://www.mindspring.com/~bstretch/hitlary.gif
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Hillary_Poster_Needs.gif
.
Don't Forget That They Swift Boated John 'ff' Kerry in 2004 :
Imagine What They Could Do With Hillary "Rotten" Clinton
In 2008. {They have had 4 Years to Get Ready and Prepare.}
-ps- Nothing will happen until after the Democrat National
Convention in Denver, CO ending 28 AUG 2008 will be Nine
(9) Weeks of Weekly Theme Attacks on Hillary "Rotten"
Clinton up to the US Presidential Election on 4 NOV 2008.
.
.
it's a 'vision' thing ~ RHF
.

dave

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May 10, 2008, 4:58:26 PM5/10/08
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As long as you feel the same about Herbert Bush pardoning all the Iran
Contra felons.

dxAce

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May 10, 2008, 4:59:08 PM5/10/08
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dave wrote:

Whole different situation, Disease Man!


dave

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May 10, 2008, 4:59:54 PM5/10/08
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I'm over here, you moron.

dxAce

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May 10, 2008, 5:04:08 PM5/10/08
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dave wrote:

No matter, you're still a DISEASE!


David

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May 10, 2008, 5:05:44 PM5/10/08
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On May 10, 12:08 pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
> Tex wrote:

> I think Bill should be incarcerated for giving pardons to all the criminals just
> days before leaving the oval shaped sexual romping room.


& I think "W should be arrested for Deserting the Air National Guard

Keep Voting Republican while they ship

Young men off to die.

dxAce

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May 10, 2008, 5:10:06 PM5/10/08
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David wrote:

> On May 10, 12:08 pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
> > Tex wrote:
>
> > I think Bill should be incarcerated for giving pardons to all the criminals just
> > days before leaving the oval shaped sexual romping room.
>
> & I think "W should be arrested for Deserting the Air National Guard

There was no 'desertion', which only proves more than ever that you're a DISEASE!

> Keep Voting Republican while they ship
>
> Young men off to die.

Yeah, Bill Clinton got a few blow jobs while people died, Mr. Disease!


RHF

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May 10, 2008, 5:26:10 PM5/10/08
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Read About - Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths :

RHF

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May 10, 2008, 5:27:49 PM5/10/08
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Read About - Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths :

David

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May 10, 2008, 6:19:07 PM5/10/08
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/deaths.asp


The numbers reproduced in this piece were taken from a Congressional
Research Service (CRS) report on American War and Military Operations
Casualties, using Table 4 on page 10, that presents statistics for
U.S. active duty military deaths for the period 1980-2006. (Table 5,
which separates combat/operational losses from deaths due to other
causes — accident, homicide, illness, suicide — would have been a
better source, but since the item quoted above used Table 4 to
document its claim, so do we here.)

We find the following totals in that CRS report:

Year President Deaths Total during presidency

1980 Jimmy Carter 2,392
N/A

1981 Ronald Reagan 2,380
1982 Ronald Reagan 2,319
1983 Ronald Reagan 2,465
1984 Ronald Reagan 1,999
1985 Ronald Reagan 2,252
1986 Ronald Reagan 1,984
1987 Ronald Reagan 1,983
1988 Ronald Reagan 1,819
17,201

1989 George H.W. Bush 1,636
1990 George H.W. Bush 1,507
1991 George H.W. Bush 1,787
1992 George H.W. Bush 1,293
6,223


1993 Bill Clinton 1,213
1994 Bill Clinton 1,075
1995 Bill Clinton 1,040
1996 Bill Clinton 974
1997 Bill Clinton 817
1998 Bill Clinton 827
1999 Bill Clinton 796
2000 Bill Clinton 758
7,500

2001 George W. Bush 891
2002 George W. Bush 999
2003 George W. Bush 1,228
2004 George W. Bush 1,874
2005 George W. Bush 1,942
2006 George W. Bush 1,858
8,792


dxAce

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May 10, 2008, 6:35:22 PM5/10/08
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David wrote:

Unfortunately. many of the deaths attributed to George W. Bush are a direct
result of the polices of Bill Clinton, better known as the dufus who got a
blowjob in the oval sexual romp room.


David

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May 10, 2008, 8:45:48 PM5/10/08
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-- Jealous DX ?

m II

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May 10, 2008, 9:48:36 PM5/10/08
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dxAce wrote:
>
> No matter, you're still a DISEASE!


You are *the* expert on disease, having *first hand* experience with the
sexually transmitted ones.


mike

RHF

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May 10, 2008, 9:51:57 PM5/10/08
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On May 10, 3:19 pm, David <mcdonald6...@yahoo.com> wrote:

- = SNIP = -

- Year - President - Deaths
- Total during presidency

Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.

- 1993    Bill Clinton    1,213
- 1994    Bill Clinton    1,075
- 1995    Bill Clinton    1,040
- 1996    Bill Clinton    974
- 1997    Bill Clinton    817
- 1998    Bill Clinton    827
- 1999    Bill Clinton    796
- 2000    Bill Clinton    758
Total : 7,500

President George "W" Bush War on Islam-O-Facism
as a Result of the September 11 2001 Attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
Fighting the Islam-O-Facist in Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/afghanistan/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/

- 2001    George W. Bush  891
- 2002    George W. Bush  999
- 2003    George W. Bush  1,228
- 2004    George W. Bush  1,874
- 2005    George W. Bush  1,942
- 2006    George W. Bush  1,858
Total : 8,792

America Remember 9/11 Never Forget !
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/09/20070911.html


david - know the truth that we are at war
with radical islam ~ RHF
.

m II

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May 10, 2008, 9:52:50 PM5/10/08
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dxAce wrote:

> Unfortunately. many of the deaths attributed to George W. Bush are a direct
> result of the polices of Bill Clinton, better known as the dufus who got a
> blowjob in the oval sexual romp room.
>
>

hey Lare, see if you can find yourself in this porn film....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_2x3JWWzvY

mike

dxAce

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May 10, 2008, 9:55:21 PM5/10/08
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David wrote:

Nope, but I'll bet a drug addled retard such as yourself is!


m II

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May 10, 2008, 10:00:38 PM5/10/08
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dxINFECTED-Acehole wrote:

> Whole different situation, Disease Man!

See if you can find yourself in this porn flick, pervert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_2x3JWWzvY

mike

m II

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May 10, 2008, 10:03:49 PM5/10/08
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dxAcehole, common drunk, wrote:


> Yeah, Bill Clinton got a few blow jobs while people died, Mr. Disease!

Is the taste still in your mouth, pervert?

mike

dxAce

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May 10, 2008, 10:04:19 PM5/10/08
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m II wrote:

You watch a lot of porn, don't you, you preverted Canuck?


dxAce

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May 10, 2008, 10:05:09 PM5/10/08
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m II wrote:

Bet it's in yours every day, dumbass Canuck.

m II

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May 10, 2008, 10:10:45 PM5/10/08
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Just the stuff YOU star in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_2x3JWWzvY

m II

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May 10, 2008, 10:15:12 PM5/10/08
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Send out for another bottle, you're too drunk to drive.


Another of your glaring shortcoming, pervert. Too bad you can't
implement it now. It's too late on your learning curve.

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junius

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May 11, 2008, 2:52:07 AM5/11/08
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On May 10, 9:51 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
> from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.
>
> - 1993    Bill Clinton    1,213
> - 1994    Bill Clinton    1,075
> - 1995    Bill Clinton    1,040
> - 1996    Bill Clinton    974
> - 1997    Bill Clinton    817
> - 1998    Bill Clinton    827
> - 1999    Bill Clinton    796
> - 2000    Bill Clinton    758
> Total : 7,500
>
Well, RHF, I see that you didn’t bother checking out the CRS report
that was mentioned in David’s post. Moreover, it seems that you
didn’t follow the news too well during the 1990’s, if you’re of the
erroneous impression that the US suffered such a high death toll in
Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Was your shortwave on the blink during
the 1990’s? Or were you just tuning to WWCR for reports of black
helicopters during those heady post-Cold War days?

The CRS report, referenced in David’s earlier post, can be accessed at
the link below:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

year total mil* total deaths
1980 2,159,630 2,392
1981 2,206,751 2,380
1982 2,251,067 2,319
1983 2,273,364 2,465
1984 2,297,922 1,999
1985 2,323,185 2,252
1986 2,359,855 1,984
1987 2,352,697 1,983
1988 2,309,495 1,819
1989 2,303,384 1,636
1990 2,258,324 1,507
1991 2,198,189 1,787
1992 1,953,337 1,293
1993 1,849,537 1,213
1994 1,746,482 1,075
1995 1,661,928 1,040
1996 1,613,310 974
1997 1,578,382 817
1998 1,538,570 827
1999 1,525,942 796
2000 1,530,430 758
2001 1,552,196 891
2002 1,627,142 999
2003 1,732,632 1,228
2004 1,711,916 1,874
2005 1,664,014 1,942
2006 1,664,014 1,858

* Total military full-time equivalent

Of these deaths, you will find that those resulting from “accidents”
were the most numerous in the years from 1980 through 2003.
Categories not included below: “homicide”, “illness”, “pending”,
“self-inflicted”, & “undetermined”. Again, take a look at the report
for more details.

year accident hostile action terrorism
1980 1,556 0 1
1981 1,524 0 0
1982 1,495 0 0
1983 1,413 18 263
1984 1,293 1 6
1985 1,476 0 5
1986 1,199 2 0
1987 1,172 37 2
1988 1,080 0 17
1989 1,000 23 0
1990 880 0 1
1991 931 147 0
1992 676 0 1
1993 632 0 29
1994 544 0 0
1995 538 0 7
1996 527 1 19
1997 433 0 0
1998 445 0 3
1999 436 0 0
2000 398 0 17
2001 437 3 55
2002 547 18 0
2003 440 344 0
2004 604 739 0
2005 632 739 0
2006 465 753 0

By the way, total US active duty military deaths in Somalia were 43
(29 hostile, 14 non-hostile). US casualties were fewer in the Balkan
conflicts. For a refresher on Bosnia, let’s travel back in time a
bit: http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=265

Anyway, you should more or less get the point.

RHF

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- 2001           1,552,196                    891
- 2002           1,627,142                    999
- 2003           1,732,632                    1,228
- 2004           1,711,916                    1,874
- 2005           1,664,014                    1,942
- 2006           1,664,014                    1,858
>
> * Total military full-time equivalent
>
> Of these deaths, you will find that those resulting from “accidents”
> were the most numerous in the years from 1980 through 2003.
> Categories not included below:  “homicide”, “illness”, “pending”,
> “self-inflicted”, & “undetermined”.  Again, take a look at the report
> for more details.
>
- year         accident  hostile action      terrorism
> 1980           1,556            0                     1
> 1981           1,524            0                     0
> 1982           1,495            0                     0
> 1983           1,413            18                  263
> 1984           1,293            1                     6
> 1985           1,476            0                     5
> 1986           1,199            2                     0
> 1987           1,172            37                    2
> 1988           1,080            0                     17
> 1989           1,000            23                    0
> 1990           880               0                     1
> 1991           931              147                   0
> 1992           676               0                     1
> 1993           632               0                     29
> 1994           544               0                     0
> 1995           538               0                     7
> 1996           527               1                     19
> 1997           433               0                     0
> 1998           445               0                     3
> 1999           436               0                    0
> 2000           398               0                    17
- 2001           437               3                    55
- 2002           547               18                   0
- 2003           440               344                 0
- 2004           604               739                 0
- 2005           632               739                 0
- 2006           465               753                 0
>
> By the way, total US active duty military deaths in Somalia were 43
> (29 hostile, 14 non-hostile). US casualties were fewer in the Balkan
> conflicts.  For a refresher on Bosnia, let’s travel back in time a
> bit:http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=265

- Anyway, you should more or less get the point.

Junius,

Yeah the Point Being that when it isconvenient to call
the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.

The Host -website- is http://www.fas.org/
-aka- Federation of American Scientists a known
Anti-War and Anti-USA Socialist Action Group
with 'friendship' ties to Foreign Governemnts.

America Is At War and that War is the Global War on
Terrorism a Result of the September 11 2001 Attacks
god be with america's men and women in uniform
fighting to keep us safe and free - amen ~ RHF
.

dave

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Relative morality? Crime is crime.

dave

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I'm not "David". I never use that name; too formal sounding.

dave

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RHF wrote:

>
> Read About - Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths :
> Presidents George "W" Bush -versus- Bill Clinton
> http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/active_duty_deaths_bush_vs_clinton/
> There Were More Military Deaths During The Clinton Presidency
> Than During the George W. Bush Presidency
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/military-deaths.htm
> .

You don't even read this shit before you post a link, do you?

"There Were More Military Deaths During The Clinton Presidency Than

During the George W. Bush Presidency-Fiction!
Summary of the eRumor:
The forwarded email lists year-by-year statistics of military deaths
from 1980 through 2006 and concludes that there were more deaths during
the years of the presidency of Bill Clinton, when there was no war, than
during the years of George W. Bush when there was war in Iraq and
conflict in Afghanistan.
The Truth:
Whoever assembled this eRumor claimed that it was based on statistics
from the U.S. Government, but the figures in the eRumor do not match the
figures in the actual government report it references.

The eRumor includes a link to the report, which was dated June 29, 2007,
and prepared by the Congressional Research Service. It is titled
American War and Military Operations Casualties: Lists and Statistics.

Whoever created this forwarded email exaggerated the death statistics
from the Clinton years and reduced the actual numbers from the Bush
years. The eRumor, for example. claims that there were more than 14,000
deaths during the Clinton presidency and a little more than 7,000 deaths
during the presidency of George W. Bush. In reality the opposite is
true. There were 7500 military deaths during the Clinton years and as
of the date of the report, 8792 deaths during the Bush presidency."

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/military-deaths.htm

Drifter

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May 11, 2008, 10:25:04 AM5/11/08
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Gee Whiz! maybe someone is making an attempt to make the bush-crime-
family look: "not too bad"? all the right believes anything the talking
heads say on the tube. and, don't forget that dope head, rush, on the
radio. who could this be aimed at?

Drifter...

--
"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists,
and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service."
- former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman,
unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)

junius

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> The Host -website- ishttp://www.fas.org/

> -aka- Federation of American Scientists a known
> Anti-War and Anti-USA Socialist Action Group
> with 'friendship' ties to Foreign Governemnts.
>

Oh, well, perhaps you'll find this host site (USAF's Air University)
more acceptable:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rl32492.pdf

For an updated breakdown of the death statistics, you're welcome to
visit the website of the OSD (Office of the Secretary of Defense)
website:

http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates.pdf

dave

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The FAS are a group of patriotic Americans who still believe in the
Constitution. People who attack them are Un-American.

RHF

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On May 11, 6:15 am, dave <noth...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> dxAce wrote:
>
> > dave wrote:
>
> >> dxAce wrote:
> >>> Tex wrote:
>
> >>>> should reimburse the American taxpayers for the $250,000 vandalism
> >>>> damage they and their staff did to the White House just days before
> >>>> leaving office?
> >>> I think Bill should be incarcerated for giving pardons to all the criminals just
> >>> days before leaving the oval shaped sexual romping room.

- - - As long as you feel the same about Herbert Bush
- - - pardoning all the Iran Contra felons.

- - Whole different situation, Disease Man!

- Relative morality?  Crime is crime.

David - You have some Relatives with No-Morals
. . . and Their Cimes are Your Crimes. ~ RHF
.

RHF

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> Constitution.  People who attack them are Un-American.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

David,

Is Is Un-American To Call Someone... an Un-America [.]

After all remember Un-Americans are Hyphenated-Americans Too !

God {Allah} Bless All Americans No-Hyphen Require - Amen ~ RHF
.

cuh...@webtv.net

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May 11, 2008, 11:33:54 AM5/11/08
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If some of y'all Crazies like then Klintoons,,,, y'all are Crazy as
HELL! And you damn sure look like it too!

I should have been in SCOTLAND on June the twenty four, 1961.Eff YOU!

www.devilfinder.com SCTISHLDY
cuhulin

RHF

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On May 11, 6:19 am, dave <noth...@nowhere.com> wrote:
- - RHF wrote:
- -
- - Read About - Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths :
- - Presidents George "W" Bush -versus- Bill Clinton
- - http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/active_duty_deaths_bush_vs_clinton/
- - There Were More Military Deaths During The Clinton Presidency
- - Than During the George W. Bush Presidency
- - http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/military-deaths.htm
- -  .

- You don't even read this shit before you post a link, do you?

David,

I Read Into It What I 'feel' in My Heart is Right and Just :
Based on My System of Beliefs . . .
-fyi- That's 'another' American Freedom.

For I Have Faith in the USA and I Believe in America [.]

My Point Being that when it isconvenient to call the


Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.

America Is At War and that War is the Global War on


Terrorism a Result of the September 11 2001 Attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
Fighting the Islam-O-Facist in Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/afghanistan/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/

- - - it ain't a eRumor.

- - - it ain't a eRumor.

god be with america's men and women in uniform
fighting to keep us safe and free - amen ~ RHF
.

The Fact That :
"There Were More Needless Military Deaths During The Clinton


Presidency Than During the George W. Bush Presidency

IS NOT FICTION [.] - - - it ain't a eRumor.

The War On Terrorism Is Real and Must Be Fought !
- - - it ain't a eRumor.

Islam-O-Facism is at War with Western Modern Civilization.
- - - it ain't a eRumor.

> Summary of the eRumor:
> The forwarded email lists year-by-year statistics of military deaths
> from 1980 through 2006 and concludes that there were more deaths during
> the years of the presidency of Bill Clinton, when there was no war, than
> during the years of George W. Bush when there was war in Iraq and
> conflict in Afghanistan.
> The Truth:
> Whoever assembled this eRumor claimed that it was based on statistics
> from the U.S. Government, but the figures in the eRumor do not match the
> figures in the actual government report it references.
>
> The eRumor includes a link to the report, which was dated June 29, 2007,
> and prepared by the Congressional Research Service.  It is titled
> American War and Military Operations Casualties: Lists and Statistics.
>
> Whoever created this forwarded email exaggerated the death statistics
> from the Clinton years and reduced the actual numbers from the Bush
> years.  The eRumor, for example. claims that there were more than 14,000
> deaths during the Clinton presidency and a little more than 7,000 deaths
> during the presidency of George W. Bush.  In reality the opposite is
> true.  

- There were 7500 NEEDLESS Military Deaths during the
- Clinton Years and as of the date of the report, and 8792
- Deaths in the War on Global Terriorism during the Bush
- Presidency."

>
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/military-deaths.htm
>

RHF

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>   unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Drifter - NWAC ~ RHF
.

RHF

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- I'm not "David".
- I never use that name;  too formal sounding.

OK Duh ! ~ RHF
http://www.megacalendars.com/images/Duh_FC.jpg

more radio related
http://www.k9ya.org/images/dah_dah_copyright.jpg
.

Drifter

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And, NWAC means what? why can't you speak english?

RHF

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May 11, 2008, 4:30:18 PM5/11/08
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- - Drifter - NWAC ~ RHF

- And, NWAC means what? why can't you speak english?
-
- Drifter...

Drifter - ONM ~ RHF
.

cuh...@webtv.net

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May 11, 2008, 4:50:36 PM5/11/08
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Last week, I bought a Cyber Gear voice changer phone (ages 7 and up) at
a Big Lots store.Then, I emailed that married Irish woman wayyyyyy over
yonder aross the big pond.I told her to phone me this afternoon to see
if I sound like a girl on that phone.Lets jump on over to my
Flowerin...@webtv.net and see if she is sayin sompin.
cuhulin

dave

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The USA needs no blessings from mythical entities. The USA needs a big
shot of reality.

David

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>
> The USA needs no blessings from mythical entities. The USA needs a big
> shot of reality.

OK, heres a shot of reality:

the cost of the Iraq War is estimated to be TEN BILLION DOLLARS A
MONTH

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

- - It only affects the Neocons when the price of SUV's , Gasoline &
Hand Guns become un affordable..


http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2007-10-23-wacosts_N.htm

Live in a second hand trailer, spending worthless dollars on 200
dollar oil


- But God Bless George Bush & John McCain


m II

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May 11, 2008, 10:03:17 PM5/11/08
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David wrote:

>
> OK, heres a shot of reality:
>
> the cost of the Iraq War is estimated to be TEN BILLION DOLLARS A
> MONTH
>
> http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home


Why is there money to kill people who have never done anything to you,
while there is no money for tornado/hurricane emergencies?

The Southern States could sure use some of that cash right now.


mike

RHF

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And We All Say : amen, Amen. and AMEN ! ~ RHF
.

dxAce

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m II wrote:

You certainly seem *fixated* on how the US spends its money.


RHF

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May 12, 2008, 7:17:41 AM5/12/08
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> - And,NWAC means what? why can't you speak english?

> -
> - Drifter...
>
> Drifter - ONM ~ RHF
>  .- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Drifter,

NWAC = Now We Are Communicating. {or NOT !}

ONM = Oh Never Mind.

Drifter - You are presenting Facts and Rational
Logical Thoughs to a Person Who :

# 1 - "Feels" { Senses = Emotions : Feeling Are Facts }

# 2 - Has Faith { Spiritual : No Facts Required }

# 3 - Believes { Already Knows For Sure [.] }

the result is all your good work to educate me
is pointless; for i know what i 'feel'; i have faith;
and i believe ~ RHF
.
-ps- I am one of those Small-Town; Clinging to My Gun
{Gun-Owning}; and Clinging to My Religion {Christian
Bible-Reading} Americans : Who the junior US Senator
Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. has such and open and
public disdain for . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20080413/NATION/383838523/0/metro
.
Barack Obama is a Condescending, Paternalistic, Liberal Elitist
-by- Charles Bloomer -source- Enter Stage Right
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0408/0408elites.htm
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_080415.htm
http://www.theonerepublic.com/archives/Columns/KellyJ/20080424KellyClinging.html
.

cuh...@webtv.net

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I need to go back to work in my back yard now.(there is sooooooooooooo
much I still need to do before June the three, this year, I am not sure
if I am going to make it by then) Maybe those Communist Bastards and
those Communist Bitches who run the F...ed up city of
Jackson,Mississippi will grant me a stay of execution for a few more
weeks.I bought a cheap disposable camera at the Wal Fart store, I have
been takeing some before and after photos of my back yard.
cuhulin

m II

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dxAce wrote:

> You certainly seem *fixated* on how the US spends its money.


Someone has to be, Washington sure doesn't give a damn.

They spend it like you...a drunken sailor.


http://zfacts.com/p/461.html

mike

dxAce

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m II wrote:

> dxAce wrote:
>
> > You certainly seem *fixated* on how the US spends its money.
>
> Someone has to be, Washington sure doesn't give a damn.

What do you care? After all, you're just another dumbass Canuck who ought to be
focusing your attention on Ottawa.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Last week, at a Big Lots store, one of the thingys I bought was a Cyber
Gear voice changer telephone, five dollars.I am just itching to try it
out to see if I sound like a girl on the phone.
cuhulin

junius

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On May 11, 4:17 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On May 10, 11:52 pm, junius <junjun...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 10, 9:51 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
> > > from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.
>
> > > - 1993    Bill Clinton    1,213
> > > - 1994    Bill Clinton    1,075
> > > - 1995    Bill Clinton    1,040
> > > - 1996    Bill Clinton    974
> > > - 1997    Bill Clinton    817
> > > - 1998    Bill Clinton    827
> > > - 1999    Bill Clinton    796
> > > - 2000    Bill Clinton    758
> > > Total : 7,500
>
> > Well, RHF, I see that you didn’t bother checking out the CRS report
> > that was mentioned in David’s post.  Moreover, it seems that you
> > didn’t follow the news too well during the 1990’s, if you’re of the
> > erroneous impression that the US suffered such a high death toll in
> > Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo.  Was your shortwave on the blink during
> > the 1990’s?  Or were you just tuning to WWCR for reports of black
> > helicopters during those heady post-Cold War days?
>
> > The CRS report, referenced in David’s earlier post, can be accessed at
> > the link below:
>
> >http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
>
> > year            total mil*                total deaths
> > 1980           2,159,630                     2,392
> > 1981           2,206,751                     2,380
> > 1982           2,251,067                     2,319
> > 1983           2,273,364                     2,465
> > 1984           2,297,922                     1,999
> > 1985           2,323,185                     2,252
> > 1986           2,359,855                     1,984
> > 1987           2,352,697                     1,983
> > 1988           2,309,495                     1,819
> > 1989           2,303,384                     1,636
> > 1990           2,258,324                     1,507
> > 1991           2,198,189                    1,787
> > 1992           1,953,337                    1,293
> > 1993           1,849,537                    1,213
> > 1994           1,746,482                    1,075
> > 1995           1,661,928                    1,040
> > 1996           1,613,310                    974
> > 1997           1,578,382                    817
> > 1998           1,538,570                    827
> > 1999           1,525,942                    796
> > 2000           1,530,430                    758
>
> - 2001           1,552,196                    891
> - 2002           1,627,142                    999
> - 2003           1,732,632                    1,228
> - 2004           1,711,916                    1,874
> - 2005           1,664,014                    1,942
> - 2006           1,664,014                    1,858
>
> > * Total military full-time equivalent
>
> > Of these deaths, you will find that those resulting from “accidents”
> > were the most numerous in the years from 1980 through 2003.
> > Categories not included below:  “homicide”, “illness”, “pending”,
> > “self-inflicted”, & “undetermined”.  Again, take a look at the report
> > for more details.
>
> - year         accident  hostile action      terrorism
>
>
>
> > 1980           1,556            0                     1
> > 1981           1,524            0                     0
> > 1982           1,495            0                     0
> > 1983           1,413            18                  263
> > 1984           1,293            1                     6
> > 1985           1,476            0                     5
> > 1986           1,199            2                     0
> > 1987           1,172            37                    2
> > 1988           1,080            0                     17
> > 1989           1,000            23                    0
> > 1990           880               0                     1
> > 1991           931              147                   0
> > 1992           676               0                     1
> > 1993           632               0                     29
> > 1994           544               0                     0
> > 1995           538               0                     7
> > 1996           527               1                     19
> > 1997           433               0                     0
> > 1998           445               0                     3
> > 1999           436               0                    0
> > 2000           398               0                    17
>
> - 2001           437               3                    55
> - 2002           547               18                   0
> - 2003           440               344                 0
> - 2004           604               739                 0
> - 2005           632               739                 0
> - 2006           465               753                 0
>
>
>
> > By the way, total US active duty military deaths in Somalia were 43
> > (29 hostile, 14 non-hostile). US casualties were fewer in the Balkan
> > conflicts.  For a refresher on Bosnia, let’s travel back in time a
> > bit:http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=265
>
> - Anyway, you should more or less get the point.
>
> Junius,
>
> Yeah the Point Being that when it isconvenient to call

> the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
> Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
> are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
> again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.
>

About the accidental death rate, you might find this interesting:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311644,00.html

More active members of the military died during two years of peacetime
in the early 1980s than died during a two-year period of war in Iraq
and Afghanistan, according to a government report.

The Congressional Research Service, which compiled war casualty
statistics from the Revolutionary War to present day conflicts,
reported that 4,699 members of the U.S. military died in 1981 and '82
— a period when the U.S. had only limited troop deployments to
conflicts in the Mideast. That number of deaths is nearly 900 more
than the 3,800 deaths during 2005 and '06, when the U.S. was fully
committed to large-scale military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The CRS, which is the public policy research arm of Congress, issued
its findings in the June report "American War and Military Operations
Casualties: Lists and Statistics."

FOXNews.com, in re-examining the findings, found that — surprising as
it may be — there were more active duty deaths in some years of
peacetime than there were in some years of wartime.

Military analysts say the current decrease in military casualties,
even during a time of war, is due to a campaign by the Armed Forces to
reduce accidents and improve medical care on the battlefield.

"It's safer to be in the military because your accidental death rate
has gone down; it's safer to be in the military because if you get
wounded, you'll probably survive," said John Pike, director of
GlobalSecurity.org.

"Getting killed on the battlefield is one way that people in the
military wind up dying, but it's not the main way."

According to the raw figures, of the 2,380 members of the military who
died during active duty in 1981, 1,524 were killed in accidents, 145
by homicide, 457 by illness and 241 from self-inflicted wounds. That
compares with the 1,942 killed in 2005; of that number, 632 died from
accidents, 739 from hostile action, 49 from homicide, 281 from
illness, 150 from self-inflicted wounds and 72 whose causes of death
were still pending. Eleven deaths in ’81 and 19 deaths in ’05 were
classified as “undetermined.”

"Let's not somehow pretend or try to convey the false impression that
being at war is being safer than being at peace, of course not," said
Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute.

"If we stopped these wars we would cut back our annual military
fatalities by close to a thousand people, and that's just simple
arithmetic."

The numbers, which outline active-duty deaths from 1980 to 2006, show
a steady decline in accidents. Experts attribute that decline to
campaigns to curb off-duty partying and drunk driving, as well as
offering better training before putting troops in hazardous
situations. There also are fewer active military members today; the
total number of active servicemen and women decreased from a 1986 high
of 2.18 million troops to the 2006 level of 1.38 million.

Doug Johnson, a professor of national security affairs at the U.S.
Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., said that initial treatment and
airlifts during the so-called "golden hour" after a soldier is wounded
have significantly increased troop survival rates.

"You don't hear the classic war movie cry for 'Medics, medics,'
because everybody's a medic to a certain extent," he said.

The death-to-wounded ratio has also improved, the study found. Nearly
8 people are wounded for every one who dies in Operation Iraqi Freedom
versus the 1 death to 1.7 wound ratio found during World War II.

And the combined totals for illness, homicide, accident and suicide
trump troop casualty numbers, Pike said.

"Previously in a war, if you were wounded, you were in big trouble,"
Pike said. "And now if you're wounded, you're probably going to make
it."

But Johnson said it's important to look beyond the raw data.

"The thing that distresses me about it, is it's raw numbers. And while
that's interesting, it doesn't reflect percentages, which might be
more instructive," he said.

barnegatdx

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Michael Moore making '9/11' sequel

http://www.variety.com/VR1117985577.html

Sequel will pick up where "Fahrenheit" left off.

In the time since, President Bush's popularity has plummeted,

while the Iraq war continues and the economy falters.

MNMikew

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........Is still a stupid fat white person. Not to mention a liar, fraud,
huckster,ect.


Billy Burpelson

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MNMikew wrote:
> ........[Michael Moore] Is still a stupid fat white person.

May (or may not) be true about Moore. But then the new movie's not about
-Moore-, now is it?

Per the OP:

> In the time since, President Bush's popularity has plummeted,

True

> while the Iraq war continues

True

> and the economy falters.

True

All still true whether MM is fat or thin...and certainly topics worthy
of debate to all in this country.


RHF

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Michael Moore was an Eagle Boy Scout (BSA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eagle_Scouts_(Boy_Scouts_of_America)

Lifetime Member of the National Rifle Association (NRA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore

My Vote's for Obama (If I Could Vote) ...by Michael Moore
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

Michael Moore . Com
http://www.michaelmoore.com/

HELLO - Drifter :
Tex Started It :
BarnegaDX Modified It :
Now I am Replying To It :
It Being Off-Topic and Politics
and 60 posts later most of the usual suspects
contributed to it - - - truth be told ~ RHF
.

MNMikew

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"Billy Burpelson" <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote in message
news:wHmWj.7100$3O7....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Actually it IS all about Moore. Always was. You certainly won't get worthy
debate out of a MM "film".


junius

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On May 13, 5:07 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> HELLO - Drifter :
> Tex Started It :
> BarnegaDX Modified It :
> Now I am Replying To It :
> It Being Off-Topic and Politics
> and 60 posts later most of the usual suspects
> contributed to it - - - truth be told ~ RHF
>  .- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hello RHF,

Well, as you know, I'm certainly not one of the usual suspects on this
sort of thread. In fact, my track record is pretty consistent in
avoiding participation in these asinine political threads. However,
when someone posts something as outrageously idiotic as the following,
something should be said:

> > On May 10, 9:51 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:


> > > Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
> > > from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.


> > > - 1993 Bill Clinton 1,213
> > > - 1994 Bill Clinton 1,075
> > > - 1995 Bill Clinton 1,040
> > > - 1996 Bill Clinton 974
> > > - 1997 Bill Clinton 817
> > > - 1998 Bill Clinton 827
> > > - 1999 Bill Clinton 796
> > > - 2000 Bill Clinton 758
> > > Total : 7,500

Your suggestion that we lost 7,500 troops between Bosnia, Kosovo and
Somalia is not only a display of your inability and/or unwillingness
to understand the fatality statistics; but the rubbish posting is of
such a fallacious nature that it is nothing less than an insult to
those serving in the US Armed Forces. We don't suffer those types of
casualties in these types of smaller-scale deployments. You should
know that. Take the time to better understand the US military, what it
does, and how it goes about executing its missions around the world.
To begin with, try understanding these death statistics in terms other
than your unthinking black-and-white Dems-vs-Reps paradigm.

Good luck, my friend.

RHF

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Junius - Numbers from Your Own Post :
(OT) : Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting


from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4383528788fb0428

Yeah the Point Being that when it is convenient to call


the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.

Clinton's Killer Peace
Year - - Accident - Hostile Action - Terrorism


1992 676 0 1
1993 632 0 29
1994 544 0 0
1995 538 0 7
1996 527 1 19
1997 433 0 0
1998 445 0 3
1999 436 0 0
2000 398 0 17

America Is At War and That War is the Global War on
Terrorism as a Result of the September 11 2001 Attacks

America's War on Terrorism :
[ During The Bush Presidency ]
Year - - Accident - Hostile Action - Terrorism
2001 437 3 55
2002 547 18 0
2003 440 344 0
2004 604 739 0
2005 632 739 0
2006 465 753 0

god {allah} be with america's men and women in uniform

Sanjaya

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"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote

>Yeah the Point Being that when it is convenient to call
>the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
>Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
>are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
>again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.

As an aside...
I was stationed at US Army Headquarters in Long Binh, Vietnam.
May 1968 - May 1969
I worked in the Casualty Reporting section.
Richard Nixon was inaugurated in Jan. 1969.
In February 1969 we got a directive from the Defense Department
saying we were no longer to count booby trap injuries or deaths
as injured or killed in combat.
The numbers of combat injuries/deaths appeared to drop dramatically
to the US public who got the numbers via government information
provided to news outlets and networks.
Democrat/Republican doesn't matter, a politician is a politician.


RHF

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May 14, 2008, 7:49:23 AM5/14/08
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On May 14, 2:05 am, "Sanjaya" <sanjaya...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote

- Democrat/Republican doesn't matter, a politician is a politician.

McCain = Clinton = Obama - poli wogs all ~ RHF
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junius

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> from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4383528788fb0428

>
> Yeah the Point Being that when it is convenient to call
> the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
> Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
> are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
> again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.
>

Total fatalities percentage of Total Military Full-Time-Equivalent
Personnel
1980…..2,392 out of 2,159,630 ...0.111%
1981…..2,380 out of 2,206,751 ...0.108%
1982…..2,319 out of 2,251,067 ...0.103%
1983…..2,465 out of 2,273,364 ...0.108%
1984…..1,999 out of 2,297,922 ...0.087%
1985…..2,252 out of 2,323,185 ...0.097%
1986…..1,984 out of 2,359,855 ...0.084%
1987…..1,983 out of 2,352,697 ...0.084%
1988…..1,819 out of 2,309,495 ...0.079%
1989…..1,636 out of 2,303,384 ...0.071%
1990…..1,507 out of 2,258,324 ...0.067%
1991…..1,787 out of 2,198,189 ...0.081%
1992…..1,293 out of 1,953,337 ...0.066%
1993…..1,213 out of 1,849,537 ...0.066%
1994…..1,075 out of 1,746,482 ...0.062%
1995…..1,040 out of 1,661,928 ...0.063%
1996….. 974 out of 1,613,310 ...0.060%
1997….. 817 out of 1,578,382 ...0.052%
1998….. 827 out of 1,538,570 ...0.054%
1999….. 796 out of 1,525,942 ...0.052%
2000….. 758 out of 1,530,430 ...0.050%
2001….. 891 out of 1,552,196 ...0.057%
2002….. 999 out of 1,627,142 ...0.061%
2003…..1,410 out of 1,732,632 ...0.081%
2004…..1,873 out of 1,711,916 ...0.109%
2005…..1,941 out of 1,664,014 ...0.117%
2006…..1,882 out of 1,611,533 ...0.117%
2007…..1,950 out of 1,608,226 ...0.121%

Accidental fatalities as percentage of Total Military Full-Time-
Equivalent Personnel
1980…..1,556 out of 2,159,630 ...0.072%
1981…..1,524 out of 2,206,751 ...0.069%
1982…..1,493 out of 2,251,067 ...0.066%
1983…..1,413 out of 2,273,364 ...0.062%
1984…..1,293 out of 2,297,922 ...0.056%
1985…..1,476 out of 2,323,185 ...0.064%
1986…..1,199 out of 2,359,855 ...0.051%
1987…..1,172 out of 2,352,697 ...0.050%
1988…..1,080 out of 2,309,495 ...0.047%
1989…..1,000 out of 2,303,384 ...0.043%
1990….. 880 out of 2,258,324 ...0.039%
1991….. 931 out of 2,198,189 ...0.042%
1992….. 676 out of 1,953,337 ...0.035%
1993….. 632 out of 1,849,537 ...0.034%
1994….. 544 out of 1,746,482 ...0.031%
1995….. 538 out of 1,661,928 ...0.032%
1996….. 527 out of 1,613,310 ...0.033%
1997….. 433 out of 1,578,382 ...0.027%
1998….. 445 out of 1,538,570 ...0.029%
1999….. 439 out of 1,525,942 ...0.029%
2000….. 397 out of 1,530,430 ...0.026%
2001….. 434 out of 1,552,196 ...0.028%
2002….. 543 out of 1,627,142 ...0.033%
2003….. 576 out of 1,732,632 ...0.033%
2004….. 605 out of 1,711,916 ...0.035%
2005….. 649 out of 1,664,014 ...0.039%
2006….. 559 out of 1,611,533 ...0.035%
2007….. 544 out of 1,608,226 ...0.034%

The rate of accidental deaths during the Clinton presidency continued
the decline that was underway in the Reagan and Bush administrations.
Likely, this decline would have continued into the Bush
administration, although it’s unlikely that we would have seen a rate
of less than 0.025%. Of the deaths categorized as “accident” during
the Bush administration, about (perhaps a percentage point or two less
than) 25% have been in Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom.
Accidental fatalities outside of these 25% are not included in the
official OEF and OIF fatality statistics.

Investment at the individual soldier/marine/airman/sailor level has
seen noteworthy increases (e.g. training, proper equipping), and this
has certainly been one of the factors at play in the steady decrease
in the accidental death rate over the past quarter century. Such
investment makes perfect sense, given “transformation” processes that
have been pursued in the military (e.g. trends toward network-enabled,
readily-deployable forces; in essence, the endeavor to do more with a
lesser number of troops). Given this greater prioritization on the
individual, it is hardly surprising that the US military has invested
more (as referenced in the earlier posted article) on prevention of
accidental deaths resulting from the tendency of 18-year olds to
engage in alcohol-related revelries, etc.

As for the reporting of deaths and how these deaths are categorized,
it’s not just the political leadership but also individuals within the
military itself that would have an interest in and influence on how
deaths are characterized.

The main issue on which I had taken point with you, Roy, was on your
characterization that all military fatalities during the Clinton years
were the result of deployments in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. That’s
erroneous, pure and simple. Indeed, the vast majority of these
fatalities had absolutely nothing to do with any of these three
deployments. In Somalia, the US military suffered 43 fatalities (29 in
circumstances characterized as hostile; 14 in circumstances
characterized as non-hostile); that’s a small number relative to the
overall fatalities during the 1992-1994 period in which we were
deployed in Somalia. Nonetheless, the experience in Somalia rendered
the Clinton administration very hesitant to deploy ground forces in
situations where potential existed for significant casualties.

As for how a die-hard Dem/Clintonite/anti-war proponent or a die-hard
Republican/Bush supporter/war proponent might characterize such
statistics, suffice it to say that senselessness can easily abound in
any of these camps when someone has an agenda to pursue.

Note, adjustments have been made to some of the statistics, in
accordance with the latest fatalities statistics available from the
OSD website. These revisions pertain only to the 2002 to 2007 period.

RHF

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May 14, 2008, 1:34:33 PM5/14/08
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> OSD website.  These revisions pertain only to the 2002 to 2007 period.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Woops Number Overload !

Junius,

Can You simply Say :
God {Allah} Bless The USA and All Americans.

amen ~ RHF
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Brian Oakley

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"Billy Burpelson" <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote in message
news:wHmWj.7100$3O7....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
> MNMikew wrote:
>> ........[Michael Moore] Is still a stupid fat white person.
>
> May (or may not) be true about Moore. But then the new movie's not
> about -Moore-, now is it?
>
> Per the OP:
>
>> In the time since, President Bush's popularity has plummeted,
>
> True

As it was in the Carter administration....


>
>> while the Iraq war continues
>
> True

I dont recall a war going on there. A lot of policing right now. The
battles of major consequence have been fought and won.

>
>> and the economy falters.
>
> True

As in the Carter adminstration. But not as badly.


RHF

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> debate out of a MM "film".- Hide quoted text -

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> - Show quoted text -

Michael Moore = BFS


cheley_b...@live.com

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RHF

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On May 15, 3:48 pm, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:

- http://www.pssht.moc/biography/rush_limbaugh.html

another Classic Liberal Pack-of-Lies showing that "The Left"
can speak out of both sides of their mouths.

- - - Once Again - - -
(OT) : The Two Faces of Liberals in The Media and
Hollywood : Robert Downey Jr. -versus- Rush Limbaugh
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/09fe3688abd7e888

fighting the good fight for a better america
with the truth - now stfu ~ RHF
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Billy Burpelson

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May 15, 2008, 8:52:11 PM5/15/08
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Well, that was over 30 years ago. Dubya is right now. Maybe if we paid
more attention to the current president rather than those from years
ago...nah, forget it. Too many people here like having Clinton, Carter,
Kerry and yes, even FDR as their whipping boy, to divert attention from
the mess we have right now. Please continue to keep living in the past.
It seems to make it easier for you to ignore the crimes of today.

m II

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May 16, 2008, 12:41:31 AM5/16/08
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Brian Oakley wrote:

> I dont recall a war going on there. A lot of policing right now. The
> battles of major consequence have been fought and won.


I can certainly recall a war going on there. It will never end.


========================================
Article Last Updated: 05/15/2008 12:59:07 PM CDT

MADISON — Up to 40 percent Wisconsin National Guard soldiers may be
headed overseas next year, its leader said.

Brigadier Gen. Don Dunbar said 3,200 soldiers are expected to be
mobilized to Iraq in early 2009. A few other Guard units might also get
deployed during the year, he said.

Thirty-five percent to 40 percent of the Guard's 10,000 nearly soldiers
could be gone at once, he said.

http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_9270153?source=rss


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RHF

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BP - History is : The Inconvenient Truth ! ~ RHF
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RHF

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May 16, 2008, 3:51:29 AM5/16/08
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* * * RANT ON * * *

The real 'problem is not the US Military or the National
Guard and Reserves {Citizen Soldiers}.

The "Problem" is the US Congress and the Number
of Active Duty Personal in the US Military : Man Power
{Staffing} Levels for a Global War on Terror.

During Vietnam a War in a Single Country & Region
the US Military had a much larger Active Duty Staffing
Level of 3.4 Million Personal.

Now with the Global War on Terror with Active
Conflict in Two Counties & Two Different Regions
the US Military had a greatly reduced Active Duty
Staffing Level of only 1.4 Million Personal plus the
National Guard and Reserves.

That is a Big 2.0 Million Personal Staffing Short-Fall.

The US Congress has Failed to Act to Staff the
US Military to Fight the Global War on Terrorism.

Between Iraq, Afghanistan and other Nations
where Anti-Terrorist Deployments are on-going.
the US Military has around 250,000 Troops
In-Country. With a 50% Reserve Factor that
wold bring the neccessary Force Increase to
around 375,000 Personal.

The US Congress should have Increased; and still
needs to Increase the US Militiary Active Duty
Force Level by around 375,000 Personal to
effectively Fight the Global War on Terror.

Since September 11, 2001 the US Congress has
Failde to Act and continues to Fail to Act to Insure
that the US Military is Staffed to Protect the
American People in the Global War on Terror.

It's Ain't Clinton or Bush or who ever is the next US
President : It is the US Congress Be They Republican
or Democrat who is Not Providing for an Adequate
Defense of the America and Protection of All Americans.

The US Congress is the Problem with the Inadequate
Size of the US Military for the Global War on Terror.
.
-end-of-rant- ~ RHF
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