RHF = Idiocy & Brain Damage
Fireb...@gmail.com
energy or RF energy. He simply cannot make a post without those
redundant cut n' paste links he deems important to life on this
planet.
What a goddamn dork!!!
That is all.
willietbo...@cableone.net
Everything he (RHF) posts is like that, he probably weighs 350 lbs.
and sits in front of his computer 24/7 buck ass naked. Those freaks
from Northern California are like that!
He obviously needs to get into town and get a life other than a
computer and shortwave radio.
I obviously own a computer and several shortwave receivers, but don't
make a career out of either.
Rev. Willie T-Bone Johnson
RHF
-
- Poor Roy, he must have been exposed to massive amounts
- of microwave energy or RF energy. He simply cannot make
- a post without those redundant cut n' paste links he deems
- important to life on this planet.
-
- What a goddamn dork!!!
-
- That is all.
-
FireBott,
yes, Yes. YES ! - In spite of all my many handicaps I do manage
to Post-a-Lot; and TYVM for this opportunity to reply to you.
* Idiocy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocy
* Brain Damage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_damage
-not related to- Brain Damage (The Radio Show)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Damage_%28Radio%29
WUSB 90.1 FM Radio in Stony Brook {Long Island} New York
Got To Get A Little Radio Related Stuff in this Posting
-cause- This is a Radio Newsgroup.
* Poor Roy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEpOWIKLyP4
* exposed to massive amounts of microwave energy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_energy
* RF energy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency
* simply & simple {They are One of my Favorite Words
-cause- afterall I am simple minded to a fault.}
"Simple English Wikipedia" for my little Brain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Simple_English_Wikipedia
-and- VOA Speacial English -cause- I Am Special
http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/index.cfm
Got To Get A Little Shortwave Radio Related Stuff in this Posting
-cause- This is a Shortwave Radio Newsgroup.
* redundant cut n' paste links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundancy_%28language%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut_and_paste
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links
* important to life on this planet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet
* What a goddamn dork!!! {Alas You Know Me All Too Well}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddamn
http://bullwinkle.toonzone.net/snidely.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dork
alas poor old dorkroy - i know me well . . . ~ RHF
.
D Peter Maus
I find it amazing the number of people who stop by here and take
shots at those who participate at a high level.
Congratulations on being a member of the shortwave community. Which
receivers do you use? And which are your favorites?
Myself, I'm partial to AR-7030+ and Ten-Tec RX-350. With a side of
dozens of others ranging from Lowe HF150 to Hammarlund BC794 SuperPro.
DXAce over there to your right, in Michigan, is partial to Drakes, and
has quite an arsenal. Telamon to your left, in California, hits with
Ten-Tec RX-340. And you'll find assorted Grundigs, Hallicrafters,
Panasonics, and ICOMS, with the occasional National, and RCA thrown in.
There's a lot of personality, here, too. Truth is, Roy has most of
it. But if Roy chooses to make a career out of participating in this
group....so what? If he's got the time and the resources....God Bless him.
The question is....what does it matter to YOU?
cuh...@webtv.net
it.Last week, I received a snail mail card from Playboy in Harlan,Iowa.I
peeled of that sticker and I put it where it said, Place Here.Last
Saturday, my snail mail box flag was UP! One dollar per issue for one
year of Playboy magazines.How can I go wrong?
cuhulin, Loves them naked wimmins
RHF
> On Jan 15, 12:56 pm, Firebott...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Poor Roy, he must have been exposed to massive amounts of microwave
> > energy or RF energy. He simply cannot make a post without those
> > redundant cut n' paste links he deems important to life on this
> > planet.
>
> > What a goddamn dork!!!
>
> > That is all.
- Everything he (RHF) posts is like that, he probably weighs 350 lbs.
Sorry -but- I am only about 110 Lbs dripping wet.
- and sits in front of his computer 24/7 buck ass naked.
Get another sexual fantacy - I only get 'naked' when I shower.
- Those freaks from Northern California are like that!
Guess you have a lot of personal experience with those
"Freaks" from Northern California !
- He obviously needs to get into town and get a life other
- than a computer and shortwave radio.
Come up here and Walk-in my Shoes for a Week and then
you can decide for yourself. -ps- Buy your own ticket and
pay for your own room and food.
- I obviously own a computer and several shortwave receivers,
but don't make a career out of either.
Access to a Computer is self-evident by this Post -but- We will
have to take your word for owning several Shortwave Radios.
- Rev. Willie T-Bone Johnson
Willie + T-Bone + Johnson = A Triple Entendre !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_entendre
you honor me by your posting - i did not know i had gained
such importance in some peoples 'internet' {vertual} lifes ~ RHF
.
Joe Analssandrini
I can only say that I always find RHF's postings to be informative and
to the point. He has helped many, many people here including myself.
No one forces anyone to read his postings. If you, or anyone else, do
not wish to read them, just skip over them.
I'll continue to read his information gratefully and I am happy that
he is an active member here.
Joe
Burr
"Joe Analssandrini" <analssa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8553c614-3ff4-407d...@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Sir:
>
> I can only say that I always find RHF's postings to be informative and
> to the point. He has helped many, many people here including myself.
> No one forces anyone to read his postings. If you, or anyone else, do
> not wish to read them, just skip over them.
>
> I'll continue to read his information gratefully and I am happy that
> he is an active member here.
>
> Joe
YES BUT,
He is very ugly, has hair hanging out his nose and ears, his eye
brows are grow together and he has two chins.
Burr
moh...@mailpanda.com
Keep in mind the guy was a government bureaucrat for 30 years. That
explains why he acts the way he does. The arrogance and compulsive
need to be in charge (evidenced here by his self appointed moderator
role) and his smug "I'm the smartest guy in the room" attitude.
In short, he's a caricature of himself - pompous, arrogant, self
righteous, hypocritical (chronically scolding others for off topic
posting while he is one of the worst offenders) and obnoxious - the
consummate bureaucrat.
Roy's 30 years as a government parasite making the lives of people
who paid his salary miserable prepared him well for his current role
as resident pain in the ass.
D Peter Maus
So, he's Canadian?
moh...@mailpanda.com
> There's a lot of personality, here, too. Truth is, Roy has most of
> it. But if Roy chooses to make a career out of participating in this
> group....so what? If he's got the time and the resources....God Bless him.
>
> The question is....what does it matter to YOU?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It matters because his compulsive posting of irrelevant bs has driven
away many shortwave enthusiasts who visit daily and contribute
regularly to the group. Most no longer bother to even read the group
much less post because they have long ago tired of the little clique
of posters who now dominate the group.
It's like the friendly neighborhood bar that everyone that mattered
once enjoyed gathering that gets taken over by a few obnoxious
drunks. The change in atmosphere is almost imperceptible because it
happens over time. One by one the regulars stop dropping in and soon
the only patrons are the obnoxious loud mouthed few and the bar soon
goes bankrupt.
So yes, it matters sir.
m II
>> YES BUT,
>> He is very ugly, has hair hanging out his nose and ears, his
>> eye brows are grow together and he has two chins.
>>
>> Burr
>>
>
>
> So, he's Canadian?
>
>
Grow up.
mike
RHF
> "Joe Analssandrini" <analssandri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8553c614-3ff4-407d...@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Sir:
>
> > I can only say that I always find RHF's postings to be informative and
> > to the point. He has helped many, many people here including myself.
> > No one forces anyone to read his postings. If you, or anyone else, do
> > not wish to read them, just skip over them.
>
> > I'll continue to read his information gratefully and I am happy that
> > he is an active member here.
>
> > Joe
- YES BUT,
- He is very ugly, has hair hanging out his nose and ears,
- his eye brows are grow together and he has two chins.
-
- Burr
-
Now Burr considering my advanced age 'Ugly' is a relative term
RHF - http://tinyurl.com/2dpw3o
-and- Yes most of my Relatives are sort-of / kind-of 'Ugly' too.
I do try Trimming my Nose and Ear Hairs once a Week -but-
the Pocket Knife ain't too Sharp and the Needle-Nose Pliers
just plain Hurt when I use them.
Now that I 'qualify' for Social Security Medical Benefits : I can
finally get the Corrective Surgery for the Eye Brow thing and
Liposuction for the Double Chin.
BUT - None of this matters when I go out in my uniform.
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19145.jpg
.
RHF
> On Jan 15, 12:56 pm, Firebott...@gmail.com wrote:> Poor Roy, he must have been exposed to massive amounts of microwave
> > energy or RF energy. He simply cannot make a post without those
> > redundant cut n' paste links he deems important to life on this
> > planet.
>
> > What a goddamn dork!!!
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++
- Keep in mind the guy was a government bureaucrat for 30 years.
Bureaucrat -nah- I was simply a low level US Civil Servant doing a
Job.
-ps- It was 32+ Years
- That explains why he acts the way he does.
Could Be . . .
- The arrogance and compulsive {with a} need to be in charge
Very True.
- (evidenced here by his self appointed moderator role) and
Clearly I am failing at that task : Based on this and other Posts
about me; and not about Shortwave Radio.
- his smug "I'm the smartest guy in the room" attitude.
Dang - You Got That Right -but- Then Again I do sign many of
my Posts "pomkia" - POMKIA = Plain Old Mister Know It All .
- In short, he's a caricature of himself - pompous, arrogant, self
- righteous, hypocritical
http://www.octanecreative.com/knowitall/jpgs/mr_kia.jpg
- (chronically scolding others for off topic posting while he is
- one of the worst offenders) and obnoxious
Dang - You Got That Right !
- the consummate {petty} bureaucrat.
Again - I was just a low level US Civil Servant.
- Roy's 30 years as a government parasite
The Truth {Reality} is that the vast majority of US Civile Servants
are Good Decent Hard Working People who Earn their Salary.
- making the lives of people who paid his salary miserable
- prepared him well for his current role as
- resident pain in the ass.
Well at least I appear to have succeeded with you. :o) ! ~ RHF
.
D Peter Maus
Then you serious need to refocus your priorities. If you can be run
off by one poster's style...I'm guessing shortwave wouldn't be your best
choice of avocation.
D Peter Maus
Yeah, that'll help.
Burr
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net>
BUT - None of this matters when I go out in my uniform.
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19145.jpg
.
Shiiiiit, you wish!!!
Burr
Sysyphus' Sister
One word: Killfile
Sysphus' Sister
cuh...@webtv.net
old Peavey whatever it is and send the picture(s) to Peavey in
Meridian,Mississippi? Meridian is about nienty something miles East of
me, way over yonder near Alabama.I think they have a museum over there
at Peavey.About twelve years ago, I saw a Peavey speaker at the
Salvation Army thrift store.I went to a pawn shop on Terry Road near
Highway 80.I told Kevin at the pawn shop about the speaker.Kevin said
even if it doesn't work, it's worth fifteen dollars.Kevin and another
guy jumped in his car.I assume they went over to the Salvation Army
thrift store.
cuhulin
oneway
The question for you Peter, is why do posters like Roy, Burr, Steve and
others get a pass from you when they are the source for most of the OT
garbage on this group? My guess is that you secretly support their
politics and world views but don't want to admitt it here. You didn't
use to be like that in the good old days. You made mostly useful
contributions and rarely responded to the OT posts. Now you almost
encourage them. What happened?
(Hint: 'nothing happened' is not an acceptable answer)
BCBlazysusan
RHF,
Don't let em' get you down. FWIW I have your back. I really need to
start posting posting more. I really miss Steve/Bryants
'conversations'....lol.....those were classics IMO back in the day.
Many great people IMO in here just a few bad apples. Ole' DXlover
waving a hand at you. :-)
RHF
wrote:
- One word: Killfile
- Sysphus' Sister
SS - Yes the simple answer is usually the best. ~ RHF
Using the "Kill-File" is a very good choice.
And simply "Choosing" Not To Read any Post by "RHF"
is another good choice : But it requires Discipline.
Heck sometimes I Choose not to Read Myself. :o)
.
Burr
"oneway" <one...@farandaway.net>
. What happened?
> (Hint: 'nothing happened' is not an acceptable answer)
Chill out dude,
Use your name
Burr
Burr
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net>
Heck sometimes I Choose not to Read Myself. :o)
.
I can understand that!
Burr
RHF
> On Jan 15, 10:36 pm, Sysyphus' Sister <sysyphus_sis...@privacy.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:10:37 -0800 (PST), moh...@mailpanda.com wrote:
> > >On Jan 15, 4:07 pm, D Peter Maus
>
> > >> There's a lot of personality, here, too. Truth is, Roy has most of
> > >> it. But if Roy chooses to make a career out of participating in this
> > >> group....so what? If he's got the time and the resources....God Bless him.
>
> > >> The question is....what does it matter to YOU?
> > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > It matters because his compulsive posting of irrelevant bs has driven
> > >away many shortwave enthusiasts who visit daily and contribute
> > >regularly to the group. Most no longer bother to even read the group
> > >much less post because they have long ago tired of the little clique
> > >of posters who now dominate the group.
>
> > > It's like the friendly neighborhood bar that everyone that mattered
> > >once enjoyed gathering that gets taken over by a few obnoxious
> > >drunks. The change in atmosphere is almost imperceptible because it
> > >happens over time. One by one the regulars stop dropping in and soon
> > >the only patrons are the obnoxious loud mouthed few and the bar soon
> > >goes bankrupt.
>
> > > So yes, it matters sir.
>
- - Sysphus' Sister
-
- SS - Yes the simple answer is usually the best. ~ RHF
-
- Using the "Kill-File" is a very good choice.
-
- And simply "Choosing" Not To Read any Post by "RHF"
- is another good choice : But That Requires Discipline.
- Heck sometimes I Choose not to Read Myself. :o)
For One and All - I Want To Thank Everyone {TYVM} for making
15 January 2008 "My Day" {RHF} on this Newsgroup.
For all the other Idiots and Brain Damaged People : Who Shared
this Day with Me - thank you, Thank You. THANK YOU !
lets do it again next year ~ RHF
.
Burr
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net>
For One and All - I Want To Thank Everyone {TYVM} for making
15 January 2008 "My Day" {RHF} on this Newsgroup.
For all the other Idiots and Brain Damaged People : Who Shared
this Day with Me - thank you, Thank You. THANK YOU !
lets do it again next year ~ RHF
.
Ya, Happy 15th. Many happy returns
Burr
IBOCcrock
This sounds like David Eduardo:
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/60/60641/folders/32250/989523FatManAtComputer.jpg
IBOCcrock
> On Jan 15, 10:56 am, Firebott...@gmail.com wrote:
> -
> - Poor Roy, he must have been exposed to massive amounts
> - of microwave energy or RF energy. He simply cannot make
> - a post without those redundant cut n' paste links he deems
> - important to life on this planet.
> -
> - What a goddamn dork!!!
> -
> - That is all.
> -
>
> FireBott,
>
> yes, Yes. YES ! - In spite of all my many handicaps I do manage
> to Post-a-Lot; and TYVM for this opportunity to reply to you.
>
> * Idiocyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocy
>
> -not related to- Brain Damage (The Radio Show)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Damage_%28Radio%29
> WUSB 90.1 FM Radio in Stony Brook {Long Island} New York
> Got To Get A Little Radio Related Stuff in this Posting
> -cause- This is a Radio Newsgroup.
>
>
> * simply & simple {They are One of my Favorite Words
> -cause- afterall I am simple minded to a fault.}
> -and- VOA Speacial English -cause- I Am Specialhttp://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/index.cfm
> Got To Get A Little Shortwave Radio Related Stuff in this Posting
> -cause- This is a Shortwave Radio Newsgroup.
>
>
> * important to life on this planet.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet
>
> * What a goddamn dork!!! {Alas You Know Me All Too Well}http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddamnhttp://bullwinkle.toonzone.net/snidely.htmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dork
>
> alas poor old dorkroy - i know me well . . . ~ RHF
> .
The HD Radio farce is DOA:
IBOCcrock
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Congratulations on being a member of the shortwave community. Which
receivers do you use? And which are your favorites? "
I just got a cheapie $25 Kaito WRX911, and was reminded that there is
nothing of interest on SW, unless one enjoys religious fanatics.
IBOCcrock
It's no good, masturbating to air-brushed pictures.
IBOCcrock
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
RHF is an IBOC-shill!
IBOCcrock
> "Joe Analssandrini" <analssandri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Hae you gotten caught again looking at porn on the Web?
IBOCcrock
Here! Here!
IBOCcrock
>
> - Show quoted text -
Peter is another Goddamn rightous konow-it-all!
dxAce
m II wrote:
Well, we wish you dumbass Canucks would!
D Peter Maus
Yeah, back in the 40's, I was quite the stickler for the rules. You
know, back in the good ol' days, Univac, tube routers, and secret
messages over AM radio to subversive forces identified only with decoder
rings....I was all about the topic, wasn't I.
Wow. Even I don't recognize me anymore. Perhaps that's why I can't
get laid.
Well, time for some new flannel shirts, eh?
:::::Hmmm....I wonder where the dog is......::::
D Peter Maus
Who can spell, too.
bpnjensen
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ditto too, and RHF, you're OK in my book - I may not always agree with
your politics (but sometimes do), but there is no shame at all in your
postings about radios, antennas and equipment, or how to use them.
The feebs who have criticized? I doubt if they know a kilowatt from a
kilocycle.
And your sense of humor swamps their crassness.
We're with ya.
Bruce Jensen
cuh...@webtv.net
apply a little bitty tube of Advantage 55 (it's made by Bayer company,
better than Frontline, I know) on the 15th of each month to the top of
her neck.Hang on Blueberry doggy, I am ahh coming.It's good for you,
good for me too.No fleas and no ticks and noseems.
cuhulin
Michael Black
> On Jan 16, 2:31=A0am, BCBlazysusan <gk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 15, 10:50=A0pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 15, 6:50=A0pm, moh...@mailpanda.com wrote:
>>
>> > > On Jan 15, 12:56 pm, Firebott...@gmail.com wrote:> Poor Roy, he must h=
> ave been exposed to massive amounts of microwave
>> > > > energy or RF energy. He simply cannot make a post without those
>> > > > redundant cut n' paste links he deems important to life on this
>> > > > planet.
>>
>> > > > What a goddamn dork!!!
>>
>> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> > Bureaucrat -nah- I was simply a low level US Civil Servant doing a
>> > Job.
>>
>> > -ps- It was 32+ Years
>>
>> > - That explains why he acts the way he does.
>>
>> > Could Be . . .
>>
>> > - The arrogance and compulsive {with a} need to be in charge
>>
>> > Very True.
>>
>> > - (evidenced here by his self appointed moderator role) and
>>
>> > Clearly I am failing at that task : Based on this and other Posts
>> > about me; and not about Shortwave Radio.
>>
>> > - his smug "I'm the smartest guy in the room" attitude.
>>
>> > Dang - You Got That Right -but- Then Again I do sign many of
>>
>> > - In short, he's a caricature of himself - pompous, arrogant, self
>> > - righteous, hypocritical
>>
>> >http://www.octanecreative.com/knowitall/jpgs/mr_kia.jpg
>>
>> > - (chronically scolding others for off topic posting while he is
>> > - one of the worst offenders) and obnoxious
>>
>> > Dang - You Got That Right !
>>
>> > - the consummate {petty} bureaucrat.
>>
>> > Again - I was just a low level US Civil Servant.
>>
>>
>> > The Truth {Reality} is that the vast majority of US Civile Servants
>> > are Good Decent Hard Working People who Earn their Salary.
>>
>> > - making the lives of people who paid his salary miserable
>> > - prepared him well for his current role as
>> > - resident pain in the ass.
>>
>> > Well at least I appear to have succeeded with you. :o) ! ~ RHF
>>
>> RHF,
>> Don't let em' get you down. FWIW I have your back. I really need to
>> start posting posting more. I really miss Steve/Bryants
>> 'conversations'....lol.....those were classics IMO back in the day.
>> Many great people IMO in here just a few bad apples. Ole' DXlover
>> waving a hand at you. :-)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Ditto too, and RHF, you're OK in my book - I may not always agree with
> your politics (but sometimes do), but there is no shame at all in your
> postings about radios, antennas and equipment, or how to use them.
> The feebs who have criticized? I doubt if they know a kilowatt from a
> kilocycle.
>
to say, posting links rather than real comments, posting in a completely
unreadable style, constantly changing subject headers, playing
"moderator" when his skill is so horrific that it only makes things
worse, and being a big source of the animosity here, well that defines
the state of the newsgroup. "RHF" isn't the only one, but he certainly
enables the other junk posters.
Wade through the off topic posts, the political bickering and admonishments,
and there isn't much here. Far better for the yammerers to be silent for
a time than to constantly spew. And yes, you will see three or four
posters, including the bozo "RHF", in the thick of all that drivel.
There was a time when if someone asked a simple question, they'd be
told to look it up themselves. But nowadays, this newsgroup is full
of people who do that work for the lazy, merely posting links. And
when people do that, who's to know whether they know anything or not?
There is no value in posting such links, because the original poster
should be doing that work themselves. But instead, we get all these
link posters, and nobody around to really address the question that
may not be properly asked.
The only reason this bozo RHF is getting accolades is because
the newsgroup has decayed so much that many have left, and a new
wave that doesn't know better has moved in. SOmeone who can't keep
his mouth shut is bound to dominate a newsgroup, and that's what people
are reacting to. Look between the lines, and there is little of substance
there, and the only reason he becomes a "valuable source" is because the
good posters of the old days have faded away, so there's nothing better
than a bozo posting links.
A newsgroup is not healthy if only a handful dominate. Drive off a wide
range of readers, and the newsgroup declines, because as long as people
are reading a newsgroup, they may reply when they actually have something
to add, so some obscure topic gets a real answer instead of another
stupid link. Or that person who only replies a few times a year may
have some obscure bit of knowledge that few know, so if they tune out,
there goes the knowledge.
It's telling that the bozo RHF never looks things up in this newsgroup,
he's constantly linking to other sources of information.
This is what the newsgroup used to be like, before the bozos and the village
idiots took over:
From: black...@cam.org (Michael Black)
Subject: Re: Double conversion Vs Triple conversion
Date: 2000/02/17
Message-ID: <blackm00-170...@dialup-968.hip.cam.org>
X-Deja-AN: 587020050
References: <38AB5087...@aol.com>
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
In article <38AB5087.EE4C8...@aol.com>, dan <diverd4...@aol.com> wrote:
> All:
> I am considering buying a new World Band reciever;
> (- this may be my lifes work )
> Does anyone know, in laymans terms, what the advantages of a triple
> conversion receiver Vs double conversion receiver are;
> and, if one is listening Just to world band, is there a really good
> choice of triple conversion receiver;
> all things (antenna, location) being equal..
> Really difficult to hear stations are the most interesting to try to
> receive; Indonesia,
> New Zealand on a bad night, WBCQ on Saturdays.. etc.
> - Dan
How many conversions a receiver has is not a direct indication of
performance.
The whole point of superheterodyne receivers is to get the incoming
signal to a frequency where amplification and selectivity can
easily be accomplished.
The superhet is something like 80 years old, which is barely younger
than radio itself. When it was invented, the state of the technology
could only mean that the superhet would convert to a lower frequency.
It was easier to get amplification there, and since it was a fixed
frequency as opposed to variabl4e frequency if amplification took
place on the signal frequency, you wouldn't need constant readjustment.
Selectivity may have been a mere byproduct; I know I've seen early
schematics of superhets where provides no selectivity, only amplification.
Of course, with time, selectivity became an important reason for
the superhet.
But once the superhet was invented, it became clear that there was
a problem. In the conversion to another frequency, the IF (Intermediate
Freuqency), you'd also get an image frequency. Basically, that
meant that anywhere you tuned the receiver, you would pick up two
signals, the one you want and one that was a side effect of the conversion.
With the relatively low frequencies used for the IFs in the early days,
the only way to get rid of the unwanted image frequency was to put
more selectivity on the signal frequency, which in some ways
the superhet was supposed to eliminate. Usually there was no
problem in the AM broadcast band, and even in the low shortwave
bands, because relatively simple front end selectivity could give
enough rejection of the image frequency. But a lot of cheap
receivers from the old days bombed on the highest band, the one
that ended at 30Mhz, because there was way too little selectivity
in the front end to get rid of the image frequency.
Of course, the more expensive receivers did put more selectivity
in the front end, and suffered far less. The HRO series were
manufacturered up into the sixties (or was it the late fifties?),
and they still had a 455KHz IF. But they had two RF stages and
associated tuned circuits to get rid of the image frequency.
With time, somebody thought of the idea of double conversion. Convert
the incoming signal to a frequency high enough that it would place
the image frequency far enough away that the front end would reject
it sufficiently, and then a second conversion to a frequency
where the real amplification and selectivity could take place. Of
course, if the design wasn't done right, it could be horrible since
you now had two sets of image frequencies to get rid of, and of course
you added a second oscillator inside the receiver to generate
spurious signals.
Triple conversion was just an extension of that, though in some cases
it was used to add special features.
One of the problems of double, or triple, conversion is that in
that era it put a fair amount of amplification before the ultimate
selectivity of the receiver. So the tuned circuits before the
final IF would take out the image frequency, but a strong signal not
that far from the desired signal would pass without attenuation,
and if it was strong enough it could overload one of the stages.
With time, technology allowed for a different implementation of
the superhet. You could have good selectivity at a high frequency,
and of course tubes and later transistors got good enough that
they could amplify with no problem at high frequencies.
So there was a move back to single conversion receivers, with
the IF in the 9MHz range, or thereabouts. The IF was far
enough away that only the strongest signals on the image frequency
could get by relatively simple front end selectivity. And the
selectivity could be put right after the mixer, meaning that all
the rest of the receiver saw only the bandwidth of a single "channel".
The mixer was still vulnerable to overload, though there were
improvements in that area around the same time, but at least it
was reduced to only one mixer. And in many cases the high IF
allowed for no amplification before the mixer, again helping
the receiver's overload resistance.
Of course, there were problems. Having the IF in the middle of
the range the receiver was trying to tune was a problem. And those
crystal filters could be expensive.
With time, mainly when ICs allowed for cheap synthesizers so the
local oscillator could operate at a high frequency and still be
stable, the first IF moved up above the 30MHz. The whole shortwave
band could then be tuned without a gap, and there were other
good reasons for moving the IF there.
The problem was that a filter at 45MHz or so could be terribly
expensive, and it might even be difficult to get narrow selectivity
in that range.
So receivers moved back to double conversion. The filter at the first
IF would be little wider than the widest selectivity desired, so
the rest of the receiver would have to deal with a relatively small
slice of spectrum. And the IF was high enough that virtually
anything in the way of front end selectivity would reject the image
frequency, allowing for quite a bit of flexibility in the front
end design. Of course, the overload resistance of the mixer
became an issue as the selectivity decreased in the front end; it
had always been a problem, but image rejection had been a more
immediate need for that front end selectivity.
And of course, triple conversion also returned. But it was for
things like passband tuning, rather than to deal with limited
technology.
The point to all this is that conversion is a trade-off. Triple conversion
will give you pass band tuning, but if not done carefully will give
you spurious responses. But that triple conversion is giving you
a feature, better to be assesed on the basis of that feature, rather
than as an absolute. If you wanted to pay the high price, a single
conversion receiver with a bank of filters of various bandwidths
operating at 45MHz or so would probably be best, since you don't
have to worry about the problems of multiple conversion. But
people want multiple bandwidths and lower cost, so you end up
with double conversion receivers. Likewise, they want poassband
tuning, so they end up with triple conversion.
But you can't compare two receivers by looking at how many conversions,
and say this one is better than that one because it has double (or triple
conversion). You have to look at the overall design, and the specs.
As for scanners, that someone brought up in this thread, the need
for multiple conversions is a reflection of the wide frequency;coverage
that many of them provide, and the multiple conversions could be
seen in the same light as multiple conversions in receivers of
yesteryears. They need it to get rid of the image frequencies.
The technology hasn't caught up enough with the needed range.
Michael
RHF
. . . and I B OC'Deed and Half Crocked - You Are A
"Know Nothing" Of The First Water ~ RHF
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RHF
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net>
Burr - "Happy {April} 15th. Many Happy Returns"
Did you ever do some work for the IRS ? ~ RHF
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RHF
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Yep that's me before I lost my Hair :o) ~ RHF
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I B OC'Deed and Half-Crock,
You seem to have a 'Fixation' about Looking at Porn
on the Web -based on- all your related postings.
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Seeking New FAQ/Intro Maintainers for rec.radio.shortwave
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Burr - "Happy {April} 15th. Many Happy Returns"
Did you ever do some work for the IRS ? ~ RHF
.
Yes, I beat the shiiiit out of one in Dallas 42 years ago.
Then I thanked the rest of the guys and walked out of the office on
Patterson Street.
He had it coming.
Burr
Billy Burpelson
So that "Anger Management" course didn't work out for you, eh?
P.S.
By your own admission you beat a Federal employee and cast multiple
(illegal) votes in a Federal election.
I guess that goes a long way towards explaining why you live in the
Philippines...
Telamon
oneway <one...@farandaway.net> wrote:
> D Peter Maus wrote:
> > moh...@mailpanda.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 15, 4:07 pm, D Peter Maus
> >>
> >>> There's a lot of personality, here, too. Truth is, Roy has
> >>> most of
> >>> it. But if Roy chooses to make a career out of participating in
> >>> this group....so what? If he's got the time and the
> >>> resources....God Bless him.
> >>>
Nice Trolling whine you got going there.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"Burr" <pitz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "oneway" <one...@farandaway.net>
>
> . What happened?
> > (Hint: 'nothing happened' is not an acceptable answer)
>
> Chill out dude,
>
> Use your name
>
> Burr
His name is 'tard.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<3bde910b-abbf-4065...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
IBOCcrock <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Does not take much for you to feel inadequate.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<af8a7cf5-d29b-4bec...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
BCBlazysusan <gk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 10:50 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > On Jan 15, 6:50 pm, moh...@mailpanda.com wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 15, 12:56 pm, Firebott...@gmail.com wrote:> Poor Roy, he must have
> > > been exposed to massive amounts of microwave
> > > > energy or RF energy. He simply cannot make a post without those
> > > > redundant cut n' paste links he deems important to life on this
> > > > planet.
> >
> > > > What a goddamn dork!!!
> >
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > - Keep in mind the guy was a government bureaucrat for 30 years.
> >
> > Bureaucrat -nah- I was simply a low level US Civil Servant doing a
> > Job.
> >
> > -ps- It was 32+ Years
> >
> > - That explains why he acts the way he does.
> >
> > Could Be . . .
> >
> > - The arrogance and compulsive {with a} need to be in charge
> >
> > Very True.
> >
> > - (evidenced here by his self appointed moderator role) and
> >
> > Clearly I am failing at that task : Based on this and other Posts
> > about me; and not about Shortwave Radio.
> >
> > - his smug "I'm the smartest guy in the room" attitude.
> >
> > Dang - You Got That Right -but- Then Again I do sign many of
> > my Posts "pomkia" - POMKIA = Plain Old Mister Know It All .
> >
> > - In short, he's a caricature of himself - pompous, arrogant, self
> > - righteous, hypocritical
> >
> > http://www.octanecreative.com/knowitall/jpgs/mr_kia.jpg
> >
> > - (chronically scolding others for off topic posting while he is
> > - one of the worst offenders) and obnoxious
> >
> > Dang - You Got That Right !
> >
> > - the consummate {petty} bureaucrat.
> >
> > Again - I was just a low level US Civil Servant.
> >
> > - Roy's 30 years as a government parasite
> >
> > The Truth {Reality} is that the vast majority of US Civile Servants
> > are Good Decent Hard Working People who Earn their Salary.
> >
> > - making the lives of people who paid his salary miserable
> > - prepared him well for his current role as
> > - resident pain in the ass.
> >
> > Well at least I appear to have succeeded with you. :o) ! ~ RHF
> > .
>
> RHF,
> Don't let em' get you down. FWIW I have your back. I really need to
> start posting posting more. I really miss Steve/Bryants
> 'conversations'....lol.....those were classics IMO back in the day.
> Many great people IMO in here just a few bad apples. Ole' DXlover
> waving a hand at you. :-)
Why not be a real man and take his front?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<145519c4-ed14-48ef...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
bpnjensen <bpnj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't care what he posts about. He is in the kill file for answering
all the spam that come in to this news group.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
Billy Burpelson <bi...@burpelson.net> wrote:
And why you live next to the crack house.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Mike
> X-Deja-AN: 587020050
> References: <38AB5087.EE4C8...@aol.com>
OK. This post requires temporary de-cloaking!
Will you please consider distributing to the group whatever you're
obviously on?
You start off complaining about RHF and people posting links, then you
cite a silly post from DiverDan about selecting a cheap portable as
being what this group should aspire to, and ramble into the most
esoteric post I think I've ever read on receiver design.
Wow. That's impressive. Can you say "tangential"?
After leaving this zoo for over 2.5 years (except for a few minor
incursions) I think I can say with certainty that though people like
Steve Lare (DXAce) and Roy Fisk (RHF) are often difficult to deal
with, they are clearly the most valuable contributors in RRS. Lare's
contributions to DXLD and BDXC are valuable resources in the
international DX community and his links to EiBi updates invaluable in
this post-ILG world. RHF's tireless efforts to disseminate antenna
info through his Yahoo group is a MONUMENTAL service to the community.
I don't like their politics, but they help keep this hobby alive in
difficult times. Yeah, they probably shouldn't post when drunk, but
none of the rest of us are really perfect, either.
Anyone who really believes these people are hurting the hobby by
providing useful links is someone the hobby would probably be better
off without.
Who knows? Maybe, if I stay away long enough, I'll gain the
perspective to understand what Telamon's contribution to the hobby
really is. Right now, I haven't got the faintest concept of why anyone
would read his posts.... ;-)
Re-cloaking,
MWBRYANT
oneway
Nice dodge. I guess the answer is yes, you do agree with them and that's
why they get a pass for disrupting the group with their BS.
BTW- The dog abandoned this group too. You can find him at one of the
Yahoo groups.
D Peter Maus
Actually, she died. But thanks.
The point is, your question has no valid answer, so I'm not going to
bother providing one. Nor, since you seem to be fine carrying on both
sides of the conversation, is there any need for me to do so.
If you go back and read the history, and read it closely, you'll see
that the premise of your question is incorrect on it's face.
"Nothing happened" not being an acceptable answer is an interesting
condition. Because the truth is: Nothing happened.
David
Why not just post a link to the Google results page, instead of posting
each individual site?
Why not follow rules for punctuation? Those of us with licenses know
the rules require that communications be as clear as possible, in the
interest of keeping monkey chatter to a minimum.
(Now, Google "monkey chatter" for everyone.)
I can go back 5 years and find the same RHF posts.
cuh...@webtv.net
Vietnam Veterans.Thank you, Mr.Burr.
cuhulin
Mike
>
> Why not just post a link to the Google results page, instead of posting
> each individual site?
>
> Why not follow rules for punctuation? Those of us with licenses know
> the rules require that communications be as clear as possible, in the
> interest of keeping monkey chatter to a minimum.
>
> (Now, Google "monkey chatter" for everyone.)
>
> I can go back 5 years and find the same RHF posts.
What's so wrong with posting individual URLs? If you aren't interested
in the info, why bother clicking on it? Newbies, the ones that might
benefit the most from such actions, may not understand how to properly
conduct a wide-ranging search. Sometimes the search engines bury you
in URLs unrelated to what you're looking for. Castigating RHF and
DXAce simply because they post links seems to be focusing negativity
on the MOST USEFUL things those guys do in here. You'd think that you,
more than most, would be encouraging these guys to spend more time
posting links instead of ridiculing YOU daily.
Punctuation? I teach public speaking and I find that most people that
even try to have perfect grammar are suffering from delusions
regarding their own self-grandeur. Understandability is the key and I
don't have any problem understanding what RHF is trying to say. He may
not be the best speller in the world, but his efforts at disseminating
antenna info hardly are suffering from any non-standard spelling or
punctuation. There are many contributors in here with good punctuation
and spelling, but nothing of any real value to read.
If you go back five years, you'll see that RHF was posting DIFFERENT
links back then. To be honest, I think the quality of his links has
improved significantly. To be honest, going back three years doesn't
show a whole lot of evolution transpiring in your posts. Talk about
"monkey chatter"....
To be honest, RRS is infinitely better than it was in the mid-90s. The
racists and neo-Nazis that use to make about half the posts in here
have disappeared. If you don't like RRS, there are now plenty of other
places (with moderation!) where you can get info.
Do you really believe, David, that your own posts convey as much
valuable info as do at least some of the posts of Steve and Roy? I'm
truly sorry that you've been picked on as much as you have, but your
posts are NOT the reason I've been reading this RRS without posting.
MWBRYANT
David
I know I'm way less rude than DX Asshole. I know that proper
punctuation facilitates easier communications, especially for the
visually impaired. I know that throwing up a bunch of information, some
of it contradicting other of it, is not as helpful as when someone
speaks from personal experience.
I am not the subject. RHF has been turned into a filter. I don't
bother w/ Ace as he is too drunk to type more than a few words at a time.
Any effort I made to stave off fascism was done in the interests of
preventing the demise of the freedom required for this hobby to
flourish. HF radios are illegal in many places. My only regret is that
we patriots failed and that the USA is a goddam police state.
cuh...@webtv.net
started first grade in public school when I was five years old.My
favorite subjects (was my first grade class teacher lady, I had a crush
on her, and my seventh grade class science teacher lady, Mrs.Bell) were
Science and History.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
dxAce
David wrote:
Rickets, you wouldn't know a 'patriot' even if said 'patriot' crawled up your
ass and decided to spend the winter.
You're nothing more than a debutante, malcontent, faux little SOB who cares
little or nothing about SW radio.
Now go listen to your satellite 'radio', and leave the real stuff to the big
boys.
David
I'm listening to web radio at the moment. Satellite is passe`.
Your reference to the "big boys" reveals that you are a frightened
blustering twat, who must compensate by acting tough and macho. People
like you are the reason for the collapse of modern civilization. So
fucking insecure, so afraid to be characterized as sensitive, you
swagger right off the cliff.
Nobody in his right mind would live in Michigan.
dxAce
David wrote:
You're projecting, Rickets.
> Nobody in his right mind would live in Michigan.
Nobody, or just a drug addled idiot such as yourself?
cuh...@webtv.net
would be living there now.But, I was born and raised in MISSISSIPPI. I
live here.Sue me!
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin, lives about two hundred and thirty tree miles South of
Memphis.I don't like Memphis,Tennessee.I like Memphis Belle though
Mike
1. Passive aggression can be as irritating (and as ridiculous) as
direct aggression. Both some of the most evil and stupid people I've
ever met were far less rude than Steve Lare. Even rude people can be
useful sources of information. (Thanks for today's Top News link,
Steve!)
2. I'm visually impaired. Check the archives. My R-75 has the voice
mod. RHF's stuff don't bother me. Why do you feel that you speak for
the visually-disabled?
3. You would think that a professional pseudo-journalist, like
yourself, would realize that providing contradictory links shows
respect for democratic free choice. Let the reader discern which they
choose to believe.
4. If the filter is going to be that we should be limited to
discussing
only that which is experienced-based, why are you still here? Are you
really suggesting that your real experience with shortwave radio comes
anywhere near the real-world DXing experience of Steve Lare or the
real antenna info being facilitated by RHF? I think these guys are
winning on the level of who has the most useful personal experiences
to convey.
David, exactly, what is your role in the community, again? Are you
here to tell us that we're members of a dead hobby?
Congratulations.
MWBRYANT
RHF
- David wrote -
- Why not just post a link to the Google results page,
- instead of posting each individual site?
David - So your approach is to say : Here Go Fish !
David - Remember when Others have brought up that fact that
I often Post a Lot of Links : My reply has been that I write for
the "Newbie" Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) :
* Who #1 often does not have your Years of Radio Experience
and Technical Training. - Hence the Step-by-Step "How To"
* The Number of Links hopefully 'leads' the Newbie SWL on their
own Voyage of Discovery in the Quest for Knowledge about
Shortwave Radio and Shortwave Antrennas.
* Filter or Ignore Me -Note- They are several Cross Posters
here that I simply choose to Ignose because they have been
doing the same old 'schtick' for 10 years or more . . .
- Why not follow rules for punctuation?
david - well when you can convince the younger generation to find
and use the capital key on their keyboard then i might start being
concerned about TOO MANY CAPITAL LETTERS IN MY POSTS
-ps- My miss-spellings are not badder then many.
- Those of us with licenses know the rules require that
- communications be as clear as possible, in the interest
- of keeping monkey chatter to a minimum.
David - Last time I checked this was a Internet Newsgroup
and NO Licenses are Required to Post Here.
- (Now, Google "monkey chatter" for everyone.)
David - Per Your Request - Here is a GOOGLE of "monkey chatter"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us&q=%22monkey+chatter%22
- I can go back 5 years and find the same RHF posts.
Five Years - Clearly I Am Consistant -and- Most likely
You {David} are Not going to Change Me.
.
Telamon
<bfb4cea8-a372-4f49...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Mike <mwbr...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > The feebs who have criticized? ?I doubt if they know a kilowatt from a
> > > kilocycle.
> >
> > Some bozo who constantly yammers on, posting when he usually has little
> > to say, posting links rather than real comments, posting in a completely
> > unreadable style, constantly changing subject headers, playing
> > "moderator" when his skill is so horrific that it only makes things
> > worse, and being a big source of the animosity here, well that defines
> > the state of the newsgroup. ?"RHF" isn't the only one, but he certainly
> > enables the other junk posters.
> >
> > Wade through the off topic posts, the political bickering and
> > admonishments,
> > and there isn't much here. ?Far better for the yammerers to be silent for
> > a time than to constantly spew. ?And yes, you will see three or four
> > posters, including the bozo "RHF", in the thick of all that drivel.
> >
> > There was a time when if someone asked a simple question, they'd be
> > told to look it up themselves. ?But nowadays, this newsgroup is full
> > of people who do that work for the lazy, merely posting links. ?And
> > when people do that, who's to know whether they know anything or not?
> > There is no value in posting such links, because the original poster
> > should be doing that work themselves. ?But instead, we get all these
> > link posters, and nobody around to really address the question that
> > may not be properly asked.
> >
> > The only reason this bozo RHF is getting accolades is because
> > the newsgroup has decayed so much that many have left, and a new
> > wave that doesn't know better has moved in. ?SOmeone who can't keep
> > his mouth shut is bound to dominate a newsgroup, and that's what people
> > are reacting to. ?Look between the lines, and there is little of substance
> > there, and the only reason he becomes a "valuable source" is because the
> > good posters of the old days have faded away, so there's nothing better
> > than a bozo posting links.
> >
> > A newsgroup is not healthy if only a handful dominate. ?Drive off a wide
> > range of readers, and the newsgroup declines, because as long as people
> > are reading a newsgroup, they may reply when they actually have something
> > to add, so some obscure topic gets a real answer instead of another
> > stupid link. ?Or that person who only replies a few times a year may
> > have some obscure bit of knowledge that few know, so if they tune out,
> > there goes the knowledge.
> >
> > It's telling that the bozo RHF never looks things up in this newsgroup,
> > he's constantly linking to other sources of information.
> >
> > This is what the newsgroup used to be like, before the bozos and the
> > village
> > idiots took over:
> >
> > From: black...@cam.org (Michael Black)
> > Subject: Re: Double conversion Vs Triple conversion
> > Date: 2000/02/17
> > Message-ID: <blackm00-1702001314410...@dialup-968.hip.cam.org>
> > X-Deja-AN: 587020050
> > References: <38AB5087.EE4C8...@aol.com>
> > Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada
> > Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
> >
> > In article <38AB5087.EE4C8...@aol.com>, dan <diverd4...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > All:
> > > I am considering buying a new World Band reciever;
> > > (- this may be my lifes work )
> > > Does anyone know, in laymans terms, what ?the advantages of a triple
> > > conversion receiver Vs double conversion receiver are;
> > > ?and, if one is listening Just to world band, ?is there a really good
> > > choice of triple conversion receiver;
> > > all things (antenna, location) being equal..
> > > Really difficult to hear stations are the most interesting to try to
> > > receive; Indonesia,
> > > New Zealand on a bad night, WBCQ on Saturdays.. etc.
> > > - Dan
> >
> > How many conversions a receiver has is not a direct indication of
> > performance.
> >
> > The whole point of superheterodyne receivers is to get the incoming
> > signal to a frequency where amplification and selectivity can
> > easily be accomplished.
> >
> > The superhet is something like 80 years old, which is barely younger
> > than radio itself. When it was invented, the state of the technology
> > could only mean that the superhet would convert to a lower frequency.
> > It was easier to get amplification there, and since it was a fixed
> > frequency as opposed to variabl4e frequency if amplification took
> > place on the signal frequency, you wouldn't need constant readjustment.
> > Selectivity may have been a mere byproduct; ?I know I've seen early
> > schematics of superhets where provides no selectivity, only amplification.
> > Of course, with time, selectivity became an important reason for
> > the superhet.
> >
> > But once the superhet was invented, it became clear that there was
> > a problem. ?In the conversion to another frequency, the IF (Intermediate
> > Freuqency), you'd also get an image frequency. ?Basically, that
> > meant that anywhere you tuned the receiver, you would pick up two
> > signals, the one you want and one that was a side effect of the conversion.
> >
> > With the relatively low frequencies used for the IFs in the early days,
> > the only way to get rid of the unwanted image frequency was to put
> > more selectivity on the signal frequency, which in some ways
> > the superhet was supposed to eliminate. ?Usually there was no
> > problem in the ?AM broadcast band, and even in the low shortwave
> > bands, because relatively simple front end selectivity could give
> > enough rejection of the image frequency. ?But a lot of cheap
> > receivers from the old days bombed on the highest band, the one
> > that ended at 30Mhz, because there was way too little selectivity
> > in the front end to get rid of the image frequency.
> >
> > Of course, the more expensive receivers did put more selectivity
> > in the front end, and suffered far less. ?The HRO series were
> > manufacturered up into the sixties (or was it the late fifties?),
> > and they still had a 455KHz IF. ?But they had two RF stages and
> > associated tuned circuits to get rid of the image frequency.
> >
> > With time, somebody thought of the idea of double conversion. ?Convert
> > the incoming signal to a frequency high enough that it would place
> > the image frequency far enough away that the front end would reject
> > it sufficiently, and then a second conversion to a frequency
> > where the real amplification and selectivity could take place. ?Of
> > course, if the design wasn't done right, it could be horrible since
> > you now had two sets of image frequencies to get rid of, and of course
> > you added a second oscillator inside the receiver to generate
> > spurious signals.
> >
> > Triple conversion was just an extension of that, though in some cases
> > it was used to add special features.
> >
> > One of the problems of double, or triple, conversion is that in
> > that era it put a fair amount of amplification before the ultimate
> > selectivity of the receiver. ?So the tuned circuits before the
> > final IF would take out the image frequency, but a strong signal not
> > that far from the desired signal would pass without attenuation,
> > and if it was strong enough it could overload one of the stages.
> >
> > With time, technology allowed for a different implementation of
> > the superhet. ?You could have good selectivity at a high frequency,
> > and of course tubes and later transistors got good enough that
> > they could amplify with no problem at high frequencies.
> >
> > So there was a move back to single conversion receivers, with
> > the IF in the 9MHz range, or thereabouts. ?The IF was far
> > enough away that only the strongest signals on the image frequency
> > could get by relatively simple front end selectivity. ?And the
> > selectivity could be put right after the mixer, meaning that all
> > the rest of the receiver saw only the bandwidth of a single "channel".
> > The mixer was still vulnerable to overload, though there were
> > improvements in that area around the same time, but at least it
> > was reduced to only one mixer. ?And in many cases the high IF
> > allowed for no amplification before the mixer, again helping
> > the receiver's overload resistance.
> >
> > Of course, there were problems. ?Having the IF in the middle of
> > the range the receiver was trying to tune was a problem. ?And those
> > crystal filters could be expensive.
> >
> > With time, mainly when ICs allowed for cheap synthesizers so the
> > local oscillator could operate at a high frequency and still be
> > stable, the first IF moved up above the 30MHz. ?The whole shortwave
> > band could then be tuned without a gap, and there were other
> > good reasons for moving the IF there.
> >
> > The problem was that a filter at 45MHz or so could be terribly
> > expensive, and it might even be difficult to get narrow selectivity
> > in that range.
> >
> > So receivers moved back to double conversion. ?The filter at the first
> > IF would be little wider than the widest selectivity desired, so
> > the rest of the receiver would have to deal with a relatively small
> > slice of spectrum. ?And the IF was high enough that virtually
> > anything in the way of front end selectivity would reject the image
> > frequency, allowing for quite a bit of flexibility in the front
> > end design. ?Of course, the overload resistance of the mixer
> > became an issue as the selectivity decreased in the front end; ?it
> > had always been a problem, but image rejection had been a more
> > immediate need for that front end selectivity.
> >
> > And of course, triple conversion also returned. ?But it was for
> > things like passband tuning, rather than to deal with limited
> > technology.
> >
> > The point to all this is that conversion is a trade-off. Triple conversion
> > will give you pass band tuning, but if not done carefully will give
> > you spurious responses. ?But that triple conversion is giving you
> > a feature, better to be assesed on the basis of that feature, rather
> > than as an absolute. ?If you wanted to pay the high price, a single
> > conversion receiver with a bank of filters of various bandwidths
> > operating at 45MHz or so would probably be best, since you don't
> > have to worry about the problems of multiple conversion. ?But
> > people want multiple bandwidths and lower cost, so you end up
> > with double conversion receivers. ?Likewise, they want poassband
> > tuning, so they end up with triple conversion.
> >
> > But you can't compare two receivers by looking at how many conversions,
> > and say this one is better than that one because it has double (or triple
> > conversion). ?You have to look at the overall design, and the specs.
> >
> > As for scanners, that someone brought up in this thread, the need
> > for multiple conversions is a reflection of the wide frequency;coverage
> > that many of them provide, and the multiple conversions could be
> > seen in the same light as multiple conversions in receivers of
> > yesteryears. ?They need it to get rid of the image frequencies.
> > The technology hasn't caught up enough with the needed range.
> >
> > ? ? Michael
>
> OK. This post requires temporary de-cloaking!
Why?
> Will you please consider distributing to the group whatever you're
> obviously on?
Don't encourage him please.
> You start off complaining about RHF and people posting links, then you
> cite a silly post from DiverDan about selecting a cheap portable as
> being what this group should aspire to, and ramble into the most
> esoteric post I think I've ever read on receiver design.
I didn't complain but you decided to mention me at the end of your post
anyway.
> Wow. That's impressive. Can you say "tangential"?
Certainly, try this link <http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/tangential>
> After leaving this zoo for over 2.5 years (except for a few minor
> incursions) I think I can say with certainty that though people like
> Steve Lare (DXAce) and Roy Fisk (RHF) are often difficult to deal
> with, they are clearly the most valuable contributors in RRS. Lare's
> contributions to DXLD and BDXC are valuable resources in the
> international DX community and his links to EiBi updates invaluable in
> this post-ILG world. RHF's tireless efforts to disseminate antenna
> info through his Yahoo group is a MONUMENTAL service to the community.
> I don't like their politics, but they help keep this hobby alive in
> difficult times. Yeah, they probably shouldn't post when drunk, but
> none of the rest of us are really perfect, either.
He generally supplies pointless informational links. Same result as
going to Google and search on antenna so what is the point?
> Anyone who really believes these people are hurting the hobby by
> providing useful links is someone the hobby would probably be better
> off without.
Yes junk runs counter to informative responses posted to the news group.
> Who knows? Maybe, if I stay away long enough, I'll gain the
> perspective to understand what Telamon's contribution to the hobby
> really is. Right now, I haven't got the faintest concept of why anyone
> would read his posts.... ;-)
Since you are not technically orientated I doubt it. Maybe if you use
the part of your brain devoted to debating for knowledge on the subject
of SWL, radios, and antennas you will come up to speed.
> Re-cloaking,
Sure thing. Go back under your rock.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
candy rosa
<telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article <Bwljj.23195$m6.4...@newsfe18.lga>,
>
> "Burr" <pitzra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > "oneway" <one...@farandaway.net>
>
> > . What happened?
> > > (Hint: 'nothing happened' is not an acceptable answer)
>
> > Chill out dude,
>
> > Use your name
>
> > Burr
>
> His name is 'tard.
>
> --
> Telamon
> Ventura, California
Oh, for heaven's sake. There's this little button at the top of the
screen -- it's a search button. If you think someone usually makes
sense - put in their name and you can see their posts.
It takes two seconds to pass by the people that you feel don't make
sense. This isn't nuerosurgery -- it's a nice group of people who
like talking about radio - shortwave mostly - and some other forms of
media. And if the others want to post stupid stuff -- just ignore
it.
Telamon
<c4c853f3-4224-41a0...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
candy rosa <candy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was just trying to be informative. I do ignore most of the stupid
stuff.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Burr
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-5...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article
> <c4c853f3-4224-41a0...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> candy rosa <candy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 16, 8:23 pm, Telamon
>>
>> It takes two seconds to pass by the people that you feel don't make
>> sense. This isn't nuerosurgery -- it's a nice group of people who
>> like talking about radio - shortwave mostly - and some other forms of
>> media. And if the others want to post stupid stuff -- just ignore
>> it.
>
> I was just trying to be informative. I do ignore most of the stupid
> stuff.
>
> --
> Telamon
> Ventura, California
I think he is talking to One-way!
Burr
RHF
- I know I'm way less rude than DX Asshole.
David - While DX Ace may reply to some Poster for something
that he finds personally objectionable : His reply is Directed to
that Poster.
-Note- Some might even call DX Ace's Replies a Personal Attack.
BUT - David - You Time and Time Again Post Replies that Attack
the Sensibilities of Broad Groups of this Newsgroup.
* You Posts are Often : IN YOUR FACE
* Designed To Provoke an Emotional Reaction by Many Readers.
* Intended To Incite and Angry Reaction by Many Here.
Hence - I Post a Reply that Mocks Your Blatantly Absurd Statements
(OT) : DaviD Proclaims - " The Pope is a Nazi. "
(OT) : DaviD proclaims - The Religious Right.
They are the Biggest Threat to Democracy.
DaviD proclaims - Anybody who supports the Patriot Act
is a Traitor and a Pussy !
(OT) : DaviD Proclaims - Amerikkkan Government Spies On
Law Abiding US Citizens
DaviD Proclaims : " Because this Newsgroup has more Nazis
concentrated in one place than any other place I visit. "
DaviD Proclaims - " Fuck God and Irving Berlin "
(OT) : DaviD Proclaims - " I always assume that this country
is no different than the Gorky Park Soviet Union. "
(OT) : DaviD Proclaims - " The Chinese are fascist totalitarians
just like us. " {The USA}
(OT) : DaviD Proclaims - The Pope is the Anti-Christ.
Bush is the Anti-Brain.
DaviD -proclaims- Today's Jesus has Rock-Hard Abs,
a Giant Penis, and a Nuclear Sword.
- I know that proper punctuation facilitates easier communications,
- especially for the visually impaired.
David - I have never had a Visually Impaired Person make
a complaint about my Postings.
- I know that throwing up a bunch of information, some of it
- contradicting other of it, is not as helpful as when someone
- speaks from personal experience.
David - The nature of the Internet is that there is often
'conflicting'
information out there. Plus Shortwave Antennas are more of a
'practical' Art Form versus a one way only science.
- I am not the subject. RHF has been turned into a filter.
- I don't bother w/ Ace as he is too drunk to type more than
- a few words at a time.
David - The nature of Newsgroups is : That everytime you Post
- Your Post Makes You "The 'potential' Subject"
- Any effort I made to stave off fascism was done in the interests
- of preventing the demise of the freedom required for this hobby
- to flourish.
Huh ?
? Am I Now A Fascist ?
? Have I Taken Away Your Freedom ?
- HF radios are illegal in many places. My only regret is that
- we patriots failed and that the USA is a goddam police state.
David - There You Go Again - Going Off-the-Deep-End ! ~ RHF
.
> we patriots failed and that the USA is a goddam police state.- Hide quoted text -
Burr
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
Get a life, how long did it take to put all this together?
4 pages
1,170 words
Burr
oneway
Sorry to hear about your dog but why are you still looking for her?
Doesn't sound good.
oneway
> In article <GZkjj.11457$cz3.4205@trnddc06>,
Sounds like the shoe found a fit. Feeling a little guilty eh?
oneway
> Some bozo who constantly yammers on, posting when he usually has little
> to say, posting links rather than real comments, posting in a completely
> unreadable style, constantly changing subject headers, playing
> "moderator" when his skill is so horrific that it only makes things
> worse, and being a big source of the animosity here, well that defines
> the state of the newsgroup. "RHF" isn't the only one, but he certainly
> enables the other junk posters.
>
> Wade through the off topic posts, the political bickering and admonishments,
> and there isn't much here. Far better for the yammerers to be silent for
> a time than to constantly spew. And yes, you will see three or four
> posters, including the bozo "RHF", in the thick of all that drivel.
>
> There was a time when if someone asked a simple question, they'd be
> told to look it up themselves. But nowadays, this newsgroup is full
> of people who do that work for the lazy, merely posting links. And
> when people do that, who's to know whether they know anything or not?
> There is no value in posting such links, because the original poster
> should be doing that work themselves. But instead, we get all these
> link posters, and nobody around to really address the question that
> may not be properly asked.
>
> The only reason this bozo RHF is getting accolades is because
> the newsgroup has decayed so much that many have left, and a new
> wave that doesn't know better has moved in. SOmeone who can't keep
> his mouth shut is bound to dominate a newsgroup, and that's what people
> are reacting to. Look between the lines, and there is little of substance
> there, and the only reason he becomes a "valuable source" is because the
> good posters of the old days have faded away, so there's nothing better
> than a bozo posting links.
>
> A newsgroup is not healthy if only a handful dominate. Drive off a wide
> range of readers, and the newsgroup declines, because as long as people
> are reading a newsgroup, they may reply when they actually have something
> to add, so some obscure topic gets a real answer instead of another
> stupid link. Or that person who only replies a few times a year may
> have some obscure bit of knowledge that few know, so if they tune out,
> there goes the knowledge.
>
> It's telling that the bozo RHF never looks things up in this newsgroup,
> he's constantly linking to other sources of information.
Congratulations, you've written the definitive comment on the state of
this group. It's become a perfect example of the lowest common
denominator principle. Like yourself, I used to make numerous on-topic
posts but it's hardly worth the effort anymore. The moderated groups on
Yahoo and others are a breath of fresh air compared to here. I encourage
everyone who is fed up with this group to check out the alternatives.
Maybe someone here, (guess who) will give us a list of all of them, ad
nauseam. What alternative shortwave topical groups do you like?
dxAce
oneway wrote:
Of course not! Like most of the debutante, malcontent, and faux posters you'd
actually rather sit and whine.
In reality, you probably don't have anything to contribute anyway.
A tip for you: Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is stopping YOU from posting ANYTHING.
BCBlazysusan
>
> - Show quoted text -
***CLAPPING HANDS*** - - - Great post Mike. Good to see you in here
again. DX waving a hand.
D Peter Maus
Always been a big fan of the X-Files.
David
I have no idea what RHF's personal knowledge of antennas entails. I
know he puts up links to antennas that don't work very well, are
sometimes overpriced, etc. He just seems to be repeating things.
FYI I used to provide the bulk of EE language loggings for a now-defunct
DXer magazine. I logged Tahiti's little flea-power on 15.XXX in
downtown Houston, in the daytime, on one of my 2 R-390As, and my 120'
steel random wire. Confirmed.
This was back in the late '80s, when the Sun was spottin' and the Cold
War has hoppin'. SWBC was still viable back then. GHFS was almost as
entertaining. Since then, it's been steadily downhill, both
propagation-wise and target wise.
The cultural aspect of SWL cannot be disregarded and frankly I'm shocked
that so many "American" people here are listening to other cultures but
not hearing the message. The USA is a rogue nation. The USA is the
greatest threat to world peace. What! Impossible!
I make no apologies for being annoying to bigots.
David
> 2. I'm visually impaired. Check the archives. My R-75 has the voice
> mod. RHF's stuff don't bother me. Why do you feel that you speak for
> the visually-disabled?
I don't know what you mean by this, and I don't care enough to"check the
archives". I'm 58 and have to wear reading glasses. I am a speed
reader and rely heavily on capital letters being confined to proper
names and the first letter of a sentence. I don't expect midair hyphens
and tildes.
As communications hobbyists we should respect the rules of
communications. Do that "artsy" shit somewhere else.
dxAce
David wrote:
Well, it was 20 kW, hardly 'flea-power', and, it was on 15.xxx.
Also confirmed here, but on 11825 in 1983.
Mike
>
> I have no idea what RHF's personal knowledge of antennas entails. I
> know he puts up links to antennas that don't work very well, are
> sometimes overpriced, etc. He just seems to be repeating things.
He's giving people plenty of different links to info about something
you have to use if you use an actual radio - antennas. given that you
no longer use radios, you're reasons for not caring about such info
are obvious.
>
> FYI I used to provide the bulk of EE language loggings for a now-defunct
> DXer magazine. I logged Tahiti's little flea-power on 15.XXX in
> downtown Houston, in the daytime, on one of my 2 R-390As, and my 120'
> steel random wire. Confirmed.
Actually Tahiti was on 15.179 with at least 20 kW. I heard it
regularly during those days on portables using just their whips.
Confirmed. (BTW, they broadcast in French...) So, your claim to
experience comes from experiences 25 years ago?
>
> This was back in the late '80s, when the Sun was spottin' and the Cold
> War has hoppin'. SWBC was still viable back then. GHFS was almost as
> entertaining. Since then, it's been steadily downhill, both
> propagation-wise and target wise.
>
Life is what you make of it. While there are certainly a different
lineup of broadcasters than 20 years ago, I have no problem finding
enough stuff on the air to keep me interested. Lare's links to updated
DX info facilitates that enjoyment and provides a much better source
of info than those old club publications of the '80s.
> The cultural aspect of SWL cannot be disregarded and frankly I'm shocked
> that so many "American" people here are listening to other cultures but
> not hearing the message. The USA is a rogue nation. The USA is the
> greatest threat to world peace. What! Impossible!
You sound like your mindset was shaped by listening to Radio Moscow in
the 1970's. Like you, I'm sometimes dismayed by American foreign
policy, but this is simply not the forum for such conversations. There
are plenty of other places where such conversations would be welcome,
but I sure hope that you can refine your observations to be more
specific. Otherwise, you'll get eaten alive in the real political
forums. Also, I've noticed the Lare seldom initiates his own political
observations - he mainly responds to people, like you. So,,,,,,,,,
>
> I make no apologies for being annoying to bigots
How about just apologizing for being annoying? You were around in here
back in the old days when this place was awash with real bigots, like
Kevin Strom. I sure don't remember you feeling the need to stand up to
them like you perceive you are against Steve.
David, you're negativity against shortwave radio is far more annoying
in a shortwave group than are Lare's persistent insults against you or
the Canadians. After seven years, most of us just laugh at Steve's
posts. Like we do with Cuhulin. But almost everytime I read one of
your posts, I want to spit on my monitor. Why do you stay in here?
Admit it, you enjoy "tweaking" people's noses, by constantly using
your "experience" to tell us how outdated we all are.
Enough. I made my point.
Off to celebrate my 50th birthday,
MWBRYANT
dxAce
Mike wrote:
Happy Birthday. I remember my 50th, and how great I felt. It all went down hill
from there!
Mike
>
> Happy Birthday. I remember my 50th, and how great I felt. It all went down hill
> from there!
Why thank you, Steve. I think that's the kindest thing you've ever
posted to me! Don't let anyone ever keep you from posting your links.
Your posted logs on Tanzania back in the summer were awesome. Got me
another country!
I hope you are doing well.
MWBRYANT
dxAce
Mike wrote:
> The DXAce wrote:
> >
> > Happy Birthday. I remember my 50th, and how great I felt. It all went down hill
> > from there!
>
> Why thank you, Steve. I think that's the kindest thing you've ever
> posted to me! Don't let anyone ever keep you from posting your links.
> Your posted logs on Tanzania back in the summer were awesome. Got me
> another country!
Well, you do mean Zanzibar, correct? At any rate, congratulations on a new one. Don't
let the naysayers get ya down!
One thing I've noted of late is that 11735 is sometimes absent. Must be they have
occasional transmitter problems. But, when they are on, they do have some interesting
music, and of course the sometimes English at 1800.
Mike
> Well, you do mean Zanzibar, correct? At any rate, congratulations on a new one. Don't
> let the naysayers get ya down!
Well, you are right. In the NASWA country list it counts as Zanzibar,
though that area is now incorporated into the nation known as
Tanzania. The thrill of hearing a new country is what keeps me in this
hobby. Your DX logs serve as valuable targets for me to attempt.
Thanks.
>
> One thing I've noted of late is that 11735 is sometimes absent. Must be they have
> occasional transmitter problems. But, when they are on, they do have some interesting
> music, and of course the sometimes English at 1800.
Thanks, again. I was wondering if my recent problems in hearing them
on 11735 might be related either to propagation or antenna problems.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Take it easy!
Mike
msg
<snip>
> Actually Tahiti was on 15.179 with at least 20 kW. I heard it
> regularly during those days on portables using just their whips.
> Confirmed. (BTW, they broadcast in French...) So, your claim to
> experience comes from experiences 25 years ago?
>
I don't like to intrude on these pissing matches, but hey, don't
dis mature experience; sometimes the art of the past is far better
than that of the present.
Regards,
Michael
dxAce
dxAce wrote:
Thinking of Tanzania itself (which is currently inactive out of Dar-es-Salaam, operating
on 5050), I got very lucky a few years ago when I noticed that another DX'er had received
a QSL from them. I had sent reports in the past but had not received a reply. So I zipped
off a copy of my report from 1993 and was fortunate to receive a QSL.
Here is an example of the card:
http://www.antique-corner.com/SWLQSL/tanzan.htm
This is a hobby where patience is often required.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
cuh...@webtv.net
they?
cuhulin
dxAce
cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
> Tarzan and Jungle Jim old movies were filmed in Tanzania,,,, weren't
> they?
Hollywood, out near the corner of Tanzania and Vine.
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
oneway
>
> BCBlazysusan wrote:
> a PhD!
>
> Now, he claims to be 'visually impaired'. Ask him, and ask the State of Kentucky
> if he has a drivers license.
>
> Crap, I wear glasses, therefore, I must be 'visually impaired' as well.
>
> Cry me a f00kin river.
Here's another perfect example of a trouble maker throwing the first
stone that could lead to endless threads of name calling and threats.
dxAce
oneway wrote:
You're the perfect example?
oneway
I was Dx'ing before you knew what the word meant. I made more on-topic
posts here during the past ten years than most, certainly more than you,
so don't lecture me about what I have or could contribute. Go back and
look at all the contributors that used to make useful posts here and
you'll see that almost all of them are gone. They left because of
'people' (I use the word loosely) like you with a Jekyll and Hyde
personality, who think they can act like a cretin one moment and then
expect to be taken seriously when they post something on-topic. All of
your supposed Dx'ing knowledge isn't worth the grief and insult of
wading through your endless BS.