Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
IBOCcrock
This was documented in another thread. I've encountered this before
in my career. Usually - it was to protect some "golden boy" - maybe
the boss's nephew or something. Anybody daring to demonstrate that
golden boy was incompetant was ushered out the door in short order.
Or - when golden boy inevitably goofed up - the one who pointed out
his mistakes was deemed the one to blame.
Other times, a gag order is because there is a lot of money to be made
- by somebody powerful. Everybody knows the project will fail, but
they are told to keep quiet until somebody has cashed in their stock
options and left. I have heard of cases where physical harm was
implied to anybody who spoke out too soon.
HD radio has all the earmarks of the second scenario. Since there was
a gag order - you can bet there are technical issues we haven't even
heard about yet. Ibiquity - you can stick a fork in them, they are
DONE. At some point, the people in the company with the most to gain
financially are going to sell their stock and retire somewhere exotic,
out of reach of US law. Their legacy? Broadcast bands in shambles,
radio manufacturers with warehouses full of unsold HD radios, stations
with an orphan system that is unsupported. Listeners with buzzing in
their ears. But - it will have made a few people very rich.
Shouldn't we all be happy about that?!
D Peter Maus
> "Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"
>
> This was documented in another thread. I've encountered this before
> in my career. Usually - it was to protect some "golden boy" - maybe
> the boss's nephew or something. Anybody daring to demonstrate that
> golden boy was incompetant was ushered out the door in short order.
> Or - when golden boy inevitably goofed up - the one who pointed out
> his mistakes was deemed the one to blame.
>
> Other times, a gag order is because there is a lot of money to be made
> - by somebody powerful. Everybody knows the project will fail, but
> they are told to keep quiet until somebody has cashed in their stock
> options and left. I have heard of cases where physical harm was
> implied to anybody who spoke out too soon.
>
Now THAT just smacks of Enron. C'mon....
IBOCcrock
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sure does - don't be surprised ! Look who's running the show at
iNiquity !
IBOCcrock
Well, here are the "other" technical issues:
HD/IBOC Spectral-Regrowth and Other Issues
"NPR story on HD radio startup"
"Problems with the system that pervade the entire HD/IBOC data and
codec from beginning to end, all the way to the signal on the air
persist. The codec, by today's standards, is grossly inferior on FM
and literally unspeakable on AM (gee, I had no idea). Since they're
hardwired into the receivers, they won't be changed anytime soon, if
ever."
"But it goes beyond that. There were bad choices of network layer such
that reliability is compromised. The code used in exciters has a
severe memory leak, so the exciters crash routinely. The receivers can
be locked up solid by malformed packets, requiring a power cycle to
restore operation. The list goes on and on and on."
"Will any of this get fixed? Probably not, since all the money right
now is going to promotion, not to technical bug fixes. This is a
system that has been in development for a decade and a half, and it
still has problems from beginning to end that range from audio
encoding, through the transport layers, to the encoding, and now, with
the spectral regrowth problems, to the broadcast bands themselves; you
know...that which is supposed to be serving the public. I would love
to be implementing digital radio. But this is garbage."
-- John Higdon +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
David Eduardo
"IBOCcrock" <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1188401413.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> "Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"
>
> This was documented in another thread.
A "thread" is your documentation? Well, there are "threads" all over the web
about aliens in the US Government, but being in a thread does not make it
so.
The funny thing is that I have neither seen nor heard of a gag order.
Neither have the engineers who installed our 5 HD systems in just our LA
cluster.
RHF
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188401413.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > "Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"
>
> > This was documented in another thread.
>
> A "thread" is your documentation? Well, there are "threads" all over the web
> about aliens in the US Government, but being in a thread does not make it
> so.
>
- The funny thing is that I have neither seen nor
- heard of a gag order.
-
- Neither have the engineers who installed our
- 5 HD systems in just our LA cluster.
DE -consider- The Crock ! :o) ~ RHF
DE while many would consider you to be an HD Radio Shill
Clearly IBOC Crock is the HD Radio Anti-Shill in Polluting
many valid Shortwave Radio Thread with Anti-HD Radio
blah, Blah. BLAHS !
.
IBOC "HD" Radio Posters and Haters Please Read :
(OT) : News Groups Focused on IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radio
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6bb362877f49b42a
- - - May The Crock Be With You ! - Puke SkyCrocker
.
IBOCcrock
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Read it and weep :
IBOCcrock
Read it and weep :
http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/
IBOCcrock
> On Aug 30, 7:31 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
> > "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1188401413.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > "Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"
>
> > > This was documented in another thread.
>
> > A "thread" is your documentation? Well, there are "threads" all over the web
> > about aliens in the US Government, but being in a thread does not make it
> > so.
>
> - The funny thing is that I have neither seen nor
> - heard of a gag order.
> -
> - Neither have the engineers who installed our
> - 5 HD systems in just our LA cluster.
>
> DE -consider- The Crock ! :o) ~ RHF
>
> DE while many would consider you to be an HD Radio Shill
>
> Clearly IBOC Crock is the HD Radio Anti-Shill in Polluting
> many valid Shortwave Radio Thread with Anti-HD Radio
> blah, Blah. BLAHS !
> .
> IBOC "HD" Radio Posters and Haters Please Read :
> - - - May The Crock Be With You ! - Puke SkyCrocker
>
> .
Read it and weep :
David Eduardo
An anti-HD site is probably less authoritative than the engineering
department down the hall from me.
RHF
-
- http://hd-radio-farce.blogspot.com/
.
IBOC Crock-A-Toe-Wah - You Weep and Blog-On to be
un-read and un-wanted as the HD-RadioAnti-Shill ~ RHF
.
May The Crock Be With You ! - Puke SkyCrocker
.
(OT) : News Groups Focused on IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radio
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6bb362877f49b42a
cuh...@webtv.net
idee all most of my live long years.Does that mean I am an engineer?
cuhulin
RHF
Cuhulin- No it means you are an Idee-a-list ! :o) ~ RHF
.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Yes, you certainly have a "cluster"...
dxAce
David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', wrote:
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1188401413.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > "Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"
> >
> > This was documented in another thread.
>
> A "thread" is your documentation? Well, there are "threads" all over the web
> about aliens in the US Government, but being in a thread does not make it
> so.
>
> The funny thing is that I have neither seen nor heard of a gag order.
Wasn't a gag order imposed on you in Ecuador? Just before they tossed your
prancing ass out of the country at gun point?
IBOCcrock
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188529172....@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 10:31?pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> >> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1188401413.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > "Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"
>
> >> > This was documented in another thread.
>
> >> A "thread" is your documentation? Well, there are "threads" all over the
> >> web
> >> about aliens in the US Government, but being in a thread does not make it
> >> so.
>
> >> The funny thing is that I have neither seen nor heard of a gag order.
> >> Neither have the engineers who installed our 5 HD systems in just our LA
> >> cluster.
>
> > Read it and weep :
>
> >http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/
>
> An anti-HD site is probably less authoritative than the engineering
>
> - Show quoted text -
HD Radio is stillborn from lack of consumer interest:
http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/2007/08/interest-in-hd-radio-remains-flat.html
IBOCcrock
> On Aug 30, 7:59 pm, IBOCcrock <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 10:31?pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
> > > "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1188401413.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > "Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"
>
> > > > This was documented in another thread.
>
> > > A "thread" is your documentation? Well, there are "threads" all over the web
> > > about aliens in the US Government, but being in a thread does not make it
> > > so.
>
> > > The funny thing is that I have neither seen nor heard of a gag order.
> > > Neither have the engineers who installed our 5 HD systems in just our LA
> > > cluster.
>
> - Read it and weep :
> -
> .
> IBOC Crock-A-Toe-Wah - You Weep and Blog-On to be
> un-read and un-wanted as the HD-RadioAnti-Shill ~ RHF
> .
> May The Crock Be With You ! - Puke SkyCrocker
> .
> IBOC "HD" Radio Posters and Haters Please Read :
> (OT) : News Groups Focused on IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radiohttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6bb362877f49b42a
>
> - Show quoted text -
HD Radio is stillborn from lack of consuemr interest:
http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/2007/08/interest-in-hd-radio-remains-flat.html
Steve
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188529172....@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 10:31?pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> >> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1188401413.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > "Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"
>
> >> > This was documented in another thread.
>
> >> A "thread" is your documentation? Well, there are "threads" all over the
> >> web
> >> about aliens in the US Government, but being in a thread does not make it
> >> so.
>
> >> The funny thing is that I have neither seen nor heard of a gag order.
> >> Neither have the engineers who installed our 5 HD systems in just our LA
> >> cluster.
>
> > Read it and weep :
>
> >http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/
>
> An anti-HD site is probably less authoritative than the engineering
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually, you've pretty well demonstrated that just about anything
would be more authoritative than the engineering dept. down the hall
from you.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Those guys? They're probably still trying to put together their Erector Set.
LMFAO
dxAce
Michigan
USA
IBOCcrock
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually, I am a C++ softare engineer, and Dept. of Defense
contractor, working on the next generation of Littorial Combat ships
and we have a group of about 50 highly-qualified software end systems
engineers. Anything else ?
David Eduardo
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:46D86130...@milestones.com...
>
>>
>> An anti-HD site is probably less authoritative than the engineering
>> department down the hall from me.
>
> Those guys? They're probably still trying to put together their Erector
> Set.
>
The engineers who maintain KSCA (#1 in LA), KLVE (#3 and #2 in 25-54),
KRCD/KRCV (#6 25-54) and KTNQ as well as the 12 station Recuerdo network and
the 30 station Piolin en la Mañana network are as good as any I have worked
with anywhere... it's a 7-person engineering staff with broadcast experience
approaching 200 total years.
RHF
Yawn . . . IBOC { Idiot Blabing On Constantly } Such-A-Crock !
David Eduardo
>> Actually, you've pretty well demonstrated that just about anything
>> would be more authoritative than the engineering dept. down the hall
>> from you.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Actually, I am a C++ softare engineer, and Dept. of Defense
> contractor, working on the next generation of Littorial Combat ships
> and we have a group of about 50 highly-qualified software end systems
> engineers. Anything else ?
>
And how many years of radio broadcast experience? I see about zero
relevance.
RHF
IBOC Crock proclaims - Actually, I am a C++
One Dimentional Moron with an Obsessive Fixation
about IBOC and Unending Compulsion for Self-Promotion
Steve
If they're that incompetent after such a long time on the job, they
must really be botards.
Steve
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Experience hasn't given you any credibility, so his inexperience
hardly seems like a shortcoming.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Idiots Broadcasting On Crack (IBOC)
dxAce
Zero? That would be the number of radio stations you've axually owned.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know you claim to have owned a bunch. You also claim to be
Hispanic.
LMFAO
dxAce
Michigan
USA
David Eduardo
And I did... 12 on the air, and permits for nearly a dozen more.
Which you can verify by checking with noted AM Dxers of the time, some of
whom actually visitied my stations like John Hogerheid of Michigan, Larry
Godwin, now of Montana and then of West Texas and an IRCA board member. Or
Kermit Geary, of PA, who was one of many DXers who verified reception of
HRCM1 or HCFV1 when I put them on split frequencies to conduct DX tests
(which were published in the bulletins of the IRCA and NRC). Or John
Callarman, then of Mt. Vernon, IL, and now a respected Mexican DX expert in
the NRC. Or Ben Dangerfield of PA who also DXed and verified both of those
AMs. Or Larry Cervone, not a DXer, but then head of Gates Radio, and later
BE, now retired in Quincy, IL. Or Fabricio Cifuentes, then an announcer of
HCRM1 and now an announcer on various Spanish stations in Atlanta, GA.... if
you check these out, I can give you a few hundred more, starting with the
present mayor of Guaquil, Jaime Nebot Velasco, my partner in one station. Or
Edward Seaton, now President of Seaton Newspapers, Manhattan, KS, who was a
Peace Corps volunteer in Ecuador and witness my first few stations go on the
air as a family friend....
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
None were in your name... get over it!
dxAce
David "I checked a box on the Census Form and now I can pose as 'Eduardo',
wrote:
> present mayor of Guaquil...
Most of us spell it "Guayaquil", however, you fake Hispanics might spell it
differently.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company.
David Eduardo
In the US, less than 100 of the stations that are really sole
proprietorships (out of thousands) are licensed in an individual's name...
all the rest are licensed to corporations that are totally owned by one
person or a person and his or her family (community property, etc.). Nobody
but you would expect someone to be such a fool as to own a license directly,
exposing the individual to personal responsibility that could be shielded
via incorporating.
dxAce
> David "I checked a box on the Census Form and now I can pose as 'Eduardo',
> wrote:
> >
> >> >
Nobody but you would expect us to believe you've ever owned even a single radio
station.
None were in your name, and most likely none ever will be.
Get over it!
dxAce
Michigan
USA
David Eduardo
>
could be shielded
>> via incorporating.
>
> Nobody but you would expect us to believe you've ever owned even a single
> radio
> station.
>
> None were in your name, and most likely none ever will be.
Some highly noted and respected DXers of the 60's actually saw the stations,
and many more DXed them.
dxAce
David "I checked a box on the Census Form, now I can lie my ass off as
'Eduardo'", wrote:
"Seeing a station" and "DXing a station" does not necessarily equate to said
stations being "owned" by you, fibber boy!
Now go dream another one up.
LMFAO
dxAce
Michigan
USA
David Eduardo
Actually, when someone sees a station, and finds that all the employees
answer to one person, that there is only one manager's office which that
same person occupies, etc., it is pretty easy to conclude who owned it.
dxAce
David, still fabricating outlandish stories as 'Eduardo', wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:46D996E4...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David "I checked a box on the Census Form, now I can lie my ass off as
> > 'Eduardo'", wrote:
> >
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> news:46D97737...@milestones.com...
> >> >
> >> could be shielded
> >> >> via incorporating.
> >> >
> >> > Nobody but you would expect us to believe you've ever owned even a
> >> > single
> >> > radio
> >> > station.
> >> >
> >> > None were in your name, and most likely none ever will be.
> >>
> >> Some highly noted and respected DXers of the 60's actually saw the
> >> stations,
> >> and many more DXed them.
> >
> > "Seeing a station" and "DXing a station" does not necessarily equate to
> > said
> > stations being "owned" by you, fibber boy!
>
> Actually, when someone sees a station, and finds that all the employees
> answer to one person, that there is only one manager's office which that
> same person occupies, etc., it is pretty easy to conclude who owned it.
So you say. Allow me to repeat: none of the stations were in your name.
Please, dream up another shtick.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Telamon
IBOCcrock <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 11:30 am, IBOCcrock <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"
> >
> > This was documented in another thread. I've encountered this before
> > in my career. Usually - it was to protect some "golden boy" - maybe
> > the boss's nephew or something. Anybody daring to demonstrate that
> > golden boy was incompetant was ushered out the door in short order.
> > Or - when golden boy inevitably goofed up - the one who pointed out
> > his mistakes was deemed the one to blame.
> >
> > Other times, a gag order is because there is a lot of money to be made
> > - by somebody powerful. Everybody knows the project will fail, but
> > they are told to keep quiet until somebody has cashed in their stock
> > options and left. I have heard of cases where physical harm was
> > implied to anybody who spoke out too soon.
> >
> > HD radio has all the earmarks of the second scenario. Since there was
> > a gag order - you can bet there are technical issues we haven't even
> > heard about yet. Ibiquity - you can stick a fork in them, they are
> > DONE. At some point, the people in the company with the most to gain
> > financially are going to sell their stock and retire somewhere exotic,
> > out of reach of US law. Their legacy? Broadcast bands in shambles,
> > radio manufacturers with warehouses full of unsold HD radios, stations
> > with an orphan system that is unsupported. Listeners with buzzing in
> > their ears. But - it will have made a few people very rich.
> > Shouldn't we all be happy about that?!
> >
> > http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,79682.0.html
>
> Well, here are the "other" technical issues:
>
> HD/IBOC Spectral-Regrowth and Other Issues
>
> "NPR story on HD radio startup"
>
> "Problems with the system that pervade the entire HD/IBOC data and
> codec from beginning to end, all the way to the signal on the air
> persist. The codec, by today's standards, is grossly inferior on FM
> and literally unspeakable on AM (gee, I had no idea). Since they're
> hardwired into the receivers, they won't be changed anytime soon, if
> ever."
>
> "But it goes beyond that. There were bad choices of network layer such
> that reliability is compromised. The code used in exciters has a
> severe memory leak, so the exciters crash routinely. The receivers can
> be locked up solid by malformed packets, requiring a power cycle to
> restore operation. The list goes on and on and on."
>
> "Will any of this get fixed? Probably not, since all the money right
> now is going to promotion, not to technical bug fixes. This is a
> system that has been in development for a decade and a half, and it
> still has problems from beginning to end that range from audio
> encoding, through the transport layers, to the encoding, and now, with
> the spectral regrowth problems, to the broadcast bands themselves; you
> know...that which is supposed to be serving the public. I would love
> to be implementing digital radio. But this is garbage."
>
> -- John Higdon +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
It is so unnecessary with todays semiconductors that the firmware in
receivers and transmitters not be reprogrammable. This is just another
sign that HD radio was always meant to fail all along.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
Steve <sdan...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
dxAce
Telamon wrote:
It's Frackeltonian! And just wait and see what happens after the 14th, that's
when those Idiotic Broadcasters On Crack can go 24/7, right?
cuh...@webtv.net
since last weekend, Carolin, she set the plastic garbage can out front
there last Monday night for the Tuesday garbage truck (them trucks run
on Fridays too) to pick up.This morning, I put their plastic garbage can
by their fence in their driveway and I picked up their snail mail out of
their snail mail box by the side of the road.
Too bad they won't take me with them wherever they go.I might would be
having a lot of fun.
cuhulin
Telamon
dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
I'm dreading it. I like to tune around night time AMBCB as much as the
mower SW bands. I already have lost some stations around sunset due to
the HD noise and for that to continue all night me pisses me off.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
David Eduardo
>
>
> So you say. Allow me to repeat: none of the stations were in your name.
>
17 when I incorporated Radio Musical, Cía. Ltda as the sole shareholder. A
limited responsibility corporation shields a business owner from personal
liability in matters of the business. I don't know any station owners who
would put a license in their own name.
David Eduardo
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-9...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>
> The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.
Amusing coming from someone who never could distinguish between a receivable
and a listenable signal.
dxAce
David "I can embellish better than anyone since I adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick",
wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:46D99B05...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > So you say. Allow me to repeat: none of the stations were in your name.
> >
> At least you give me credit for having reasonable business sense even at age
> 17 when I incorporated Radio Musical, Cía. Ltda as the sole shareholder.
You are mistaken, oh fake one, I gave you credit for nothing.
> A
> limited responsibility corporation shields a business owner from personal
> liability in matters of the business. I don't know any station owners who
> would put a license in their own name.
I know few folks who insist on telling tales as you do!
LMFAO at the retarded fake Hispanic.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
dxAce
David "I can't help it, I'm a fake Hispanic and I have no connection with reality
You're amusing since you can't distinguish fact from fantasy!
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Say, Edweena, could you possibly fill in the folks here on that bathroom tapping
code? Many might be familiar with Morse and some of its variations, but this one
seems to be fairly new.
And, did you ever meet Larry?
Telamon
dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
Edweena does not know fact from fiction. In his mind they are one in
the same. Either way I'm sure he enjoyed the encounter.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
David Eduardo
I really find it strange that once you run out of ethnic insults (Canadians,
Hispanics, etc.) you focus in on all things anal better than a paparazzi
with a telephoto lens. I suppose this lends support to the general belief
that the greatest homophobes are closeted gays. Al que le caiga el sayo, que
se lo ponga.
David Eduardo
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
You and dxAss make a nice couple. Neither of you is able to distinguish real
world radio listening from DX and both believe the bearer of sad tidings...
is crazy.
Telamon
"David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:46D9F6A7...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
> >> "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:telamon_spamshield-9...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com.
> >> ..
> >> >
> >> > The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.
> >>
> >> Amusing coming from someone who never could distinguish between a
> >> receivable and a listenable signal.
< Snip >
You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
what you post.
Faker.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
So... tell us about the code.
dxAce
David "I can't help it. I began posing as 'Eduardo' in 2000 and can't stop", wrote:
> "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:telamon_spamshield-4...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> > In article <46D9F6A7...@milestones.com>,
> > dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
> >
> >> David Eduardo wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> >> > news:telamon_spamshield-9...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com..
> >> > .
> >> > >
> >> > > The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.
> >> >
> >> > Amusing coming from someone who never could distinguish between a
> >> > receivable and a listenable signal.
> >>
> >> Say, Edweena, could you possibly fill in the folks here on that
> >> bathroom tapping code? Many might be familiar with Morse and some of
> >> its variations, but this one seems to be fairly new.
> >>
> >> And, did you ever meet Larry?
> >
> > Edweena does not know fact from fiction. In his mind they are one in
> > the same. Either way I'm sure he enjoyed the encounter.
> >
>
> You and dxAss make a nice couple.
Are you being anal, again, Edweena?
David Eduardo
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
>
> You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
> that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
> have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
> what you post.
Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
not.
If DXers to some extent do not want to believe the current reality of MW
radio in the US and the world because it changes the expectations for DX
reception, that is not the fault of the messenger.
The simple facts are that HD is being widely deployed, and on AM will be on
most of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets... about 200 to 250 stations.
"Viable" is defined by industry authorities like BIA as having a day and
night signal that covers the entire metro with a usable signal. There are
very few of these stations.
The DXer considers a station based on being able to receive it. An average
listener only tunes in very good signals... ones that are pretty much
impervious to interference and other distractions. In metros, that means a
signal of about 10 mv/m is needed to get any audience, and in some metros,
over 12 mv/m and up to 15 mv/m are needed to get listenership... all this is
proven by extensive studies of the listening locations of US radio stations
for at-home and at-work listening in Arbitron. The conclusion is very
obvious: stations that sacrifice any potential out-of-metro listening to go
HD are really sacrificing nothing, as such listenership is close to
non-existent.
When we get to skywave reception, and look at the ratings in every county of
the US, there is not enough skywave listening for stations to show up in the
ratings on this night-signal skip anywhere. AM listening is less than 20% of
all radio listening, and AM listening is even a lower percentage at night
(because most signal areas contract). In general, night radio listening is
about 25% of daytime levels, so low-use AM and general listening at night
make the interest in reaching outside one's own market just about zero.
DXing as a hobby depends on having stations to DX. If AM is dying to begin
with (75% of listeners are over 55, the rest are approaching that age where
no advertiser will tread), and few AMs actually can compete with FM and new
media (based on having a decent enough signal), objecting to a plan that
might just help AM... and is the only idea around that might do this...
seems absurd.
As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals... but many are busy
criticising HD... to the extent that one poster fabricated the "gag order"
(which does not exist) out of old development-era nondisclosure agreements.
Now that certainly enhances on the DX side of the argument the credibility
you so desparately seem to value; having failed to invalidate HD with the
truth, totally groundless claims are now being invented and the lie and the
out of context quote are the stock in trade of these posters.
dxAce
David "I checked that box on the Census Form, but this gig posing as 'Eduardo'
Speaking of viability... you just aren't making it as a Hispanic, but you're
doing well as a IBOC/HD shill.
You may now return to tapping your feet...
dxAce
Michigan
USA
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Oh yeah, you are the MASTER of inventing groundless claims and LIES!
IBOCcrock
> "Telamon" <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
And, a number of AM-HD's are turing off the hash generators (to
include WSB), due to listener complaints. At any rate, interest in HD
Radio has reminded flat since the first HD radio was sold January 2004
and stations started broadcsating in at least 2002:
http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/2007/08/interest-in-hd-radio-remains-flat.html
dxAce
Bart Bailey wrote:
> In Message-ID:<qEzCi.31390$RX.1...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net> posted
> on Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:20:06 GMT, David Eduardo wrote: Begin
>
> >As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
> >has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals...
>
> The "opportunity" to lose the two adjacent slots of any HD blasters for
> potential reception of DX signals, is like putting outriggers on either
> side of your vehicle to stabilize the load, and the subsequent effect on
> traffic carrying capacity of any roadway.
> I don't understand why KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 feel a need to go HD when
> they're both AM Talkers. Maybe it's so psychological voice stress
> analyzers can better detect the constant stream of lies from the right
> wing hosts?
Put one of those analyzers on NPR or AirAmerica and they fry within minutes.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Steve
> "Telamon" <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:telamon_spamshield-5...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>
>
>
> > You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
> > that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
> > have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
> > what you post.
>
> Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
> not.
Umm...I think this was his point.
>
> If DXers to some extent do not want to believe the current reality of MW
> radio in the US and the world because it changes the expectations for DX
> reception, that is not the fault of the messenger.
Don't accuse DXers of not having a grip on reality. You're the one
putting bandaids on headless corpses.
>
> The simple facts are that HD is being widely deployed, and on AM will be on
> most of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets... about 200 to 250 stations.
> "Viable" is defined by industry authorities like BIA as having a day and
> night signal that covers the entire metro with a usable signal. There are
> very few of these stations.
This would be nice if it were relevant to anything.
>
> The DXer considers a station based on being able to receive it. An average
> listener only tunes in very good signals... ones that are pretty much
> impervious to interference and other distractions. In metros, that means a
> signal of about 10 mv/m is needed to get any audience, and in some metros,
> over 12 mv/m and up to 15 mv/m are needed to get listenership... all this is
> proven by extensive studies of the listening locations of US radio stations
> for at-home and at-work listening in Arbitron. The conclusion is very
> obvious: stations that sacrifice any potential out-of-metro listening to go
> HD are really sacrificing nothing, as such listenership is close to
> non-existent.
This isn't relevant to anything.
>
> When we get to skywave reception, and look at the ratings in every county of
> the US, there is not enough skywave listening for stations to show up in the
> ratings on this night-signal skip anywhere. AM listening is less than 20% of
> all radio listening, and AM listening is even a lower percentage at night
> (because most signal areas contract). In general, night radio listening is
> about 25% of daytime levels, so low-use AM and general listening at night
> make the interest in reaching outside one's own market just about zero.
Not relevant.
>
> DXing as a hobby depends on having stations to DX. If AM is dying to begin
> with (75% of listeners are over 55, the rest are approaching that age where
> no advertiser will tread), and few AMs actually can compete with FM and new
> media (based on having a decent enough signal), objecting to a plan that
> might just help AM... and is the only idea around that might do this...
> seems absurd.
>
Not relevant.
> As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
> has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals... but many are busy
> criticising HD... to the extent that one poster fabricated the "gag order"
> (which does not exist) out of old development-era nondisclosure agreements.
> Now that certainly enhances on the DX side of the argument the credibility
> you so desparately seem to value; having failed to invalidate HD with the
> truth, totally groundless claims are now being invented and the lie and the
> out of context quote are the stock in trade of these posters.
If MW is indeed dying, HD will only hasten its demise. So, why should
anyone care about DXing HD signals?
Telamon
"David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:telamon_spamshield-5...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> >
> > You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
> > that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
> > have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
> > what you post.
>
> Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
> not.
< Snip >
You skipped a few steps.
1. First you have to have a grip on reality in order to ascertain the
facts. You desperately need to get a grip.
2. Then you determine what is relevant. You don't seem to have that
ability.
3. Then if you are going to communicate your thinking on the subject you
have to consider your audience. You either can't or won't do this either.
You are a waste of time to read in this news group.
Based on your posting behavior I'm sure knowing you would not be a
pleasure.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
> In Message-ID:<qEzCi.31390$RX.17...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net> posted
> on Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:20:06 GMT, David Eduardo wrote: Begin
>
> >has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals...
>
> potential reception of DX signals, is like putting outriggers on either
> side of your vehicle to stabilize the load, and the subsequent effect on
> traffic carrying capacity of any roadway.
> I don't understand why KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 feel a need to go HD when
> they're both AM Talkers. Maybe it's so psychological voice stress
> analyzers can better detect the constant stream of lies from the right
> wing hosts?
>
>
> Bart
BB,
CAUSE - They Know that they will be required to use
a Second HD Audio Channel for Liberal Talk Radio;
as WoMandated by President Hillary {Radio} Clinton
and the Democrat Majority in the Senate and House.
Except in California where all AM/MW Talk Radio
Stations will be required to have a Second HD Audio
Channel broadcasting in Espanol.
it's a future fact jack ~ RHF
.
.
. .
RHF
wrote:
> In article <qEzCi.31390$RX.17...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
> "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Telamon" <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:telamon_spamshield-5...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>
> > > You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
> > > that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
> > > have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
> > > what you post.
>
> > Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
> > not.
>
> < Snip >
>
> You skipped a few steps.
>
> 1. First you have to have a grip on reality in order to ascertain the
> facts. You desperately need to get a grip.
>
> 2. Then you determine what is relevant. You don't seem to have that
> ability.
>
> 3. Then if you are going to communicate your thinking on the subject you
> have to consider your audience. You either can't or won't do this either.
>
> You are a waste of time to read in this news group.
>
- Based on your posting behavior I'm sure
- knowing you would not be a pleasure.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
Telamon,
Are 'we' Looking into a Mirror
and Talking to 'ourselves' Again ?
now be nice to everyone and
go an enjoy your radios ~ RHF
.
.
. .
David Eduardo
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> In article <qEzCi.31390$RX.1...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
> "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:telamon_spamshield-5...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>> >
>> > You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
>> > that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since
>> > you
>> > have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
>> > what you post.
>>
>> Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular
>> or
>> not.
>
> < Snip >
>
> You skipped a few steps.
>
> 1. First you have to have a grip on reality in order to ascertain the
> facts. You desperately need to get a grip.
The reality of today's AM and FM broadcasting is something I in a firm grasp
of, or I would not be invited to participate as an expert in seminars for
organizations ranging from Arbitron to the NAB to Billboard and R&R
Magazines both in the US and abroad.
The "problem" is that AM DXers who, as a group, supported and learned about
radio a few decades ago, now are antagonistic to the very stations they wish
to hear, and refute nearly all the facts... economic and programming...
about how radio works today.
>
> 2. Then you determine what is relevant. You don't seem to have that
> ability.
I think it is "relevant" to try to explain to DXers that MW stations are
changing out of a distant hope that some life can be breathed back into AM
by things such as HD.
For example, unless DXers understand why most AM stations run the same
overnight programming on 600 stations (Noory and the alien crowd) they will
continue to criticize radio when the answer is so simple: AMs don't make
money at night... it's a setup for the 6-10 AM show, not a revenue producer.
In fact, stations pay for Coast to Coast with daytime spots... even the
syndicator does not want nightime AM spots.
It's never as simple as it seems, and DXers, who have become rude and even
demeaning towards stations, should have information on what is happening
today in radio so that they will understand why stations do what they do.
> 3. Then if you are going to communicate your thinking on the subject you
> have to consider your audience. You either can't or won't do this either.
As I say above, many DXers do not understand what is going on in radio
today... how most listening is now on FM, and most AM listening is by older
listeners and in daytime hours. An understanding of the way stations have to
operate is of considerable use to open-minded DXers... such material used to
be a regular part of DX News, the IRCA's DX Monitor and even the MW section
of the NNRC; today, you have to go to the Medium Wave Circle's e-bulletin to
get this type of insight into the operation of stations... those that still
remain... on AM
>
> You are a waste of time to read in this news group.
Obviously, you have no interest in how radio stations get on the air, just
whether you can make notches in your "rifle" by picking up distant and
esoteric catches. That's like bird watching just ot get the highest number
of birds seen, as opposed to knowing why birds migrate, where they go and
come from, and what they feed on along the way. It marks you as vain and
superficial.
>
> Based on your posting behavior I'm sure knowing you would not be a
> pleasure.
To someone like you, who buys a $5 k receiver and says "KOGO has a
listenable signal in Ventura County" without realizing how listeners, not
DXers, listen, I am sure that is a fact. I would likely despise you based on
the attitudes you have shown here... mostly a total lack of understanding of
how average Americans listen to the radio.
dxAce
David Eduardo wrote:
Edweenie, you're totally out of touch. Just when will Singlevision give your sorry
ass the boot?
David Eduardo
"Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:46df90a9...@bart.spawar.mil...
> In Message-ID:<jxICi.5280$z_5...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com> posted on Sun, 2
> Sep 2007 17:26:54 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin
>
>>To someone like you, who buys a $5 k receiver and says "KOGO has a
>>listenable signal in Ventura County" without realizing how listeners, not
>>DXers, listen, I am sure that is a fact.
>
To start, extensive studies of where ratings listening takes place show that
very little listening to AM stations in metro areas takes placce outside of
the 10 mv/m contour. This type of analysis is possible because every ratings
participant fills in "where" listening takes place for every incident of
listening. Such data is available by ZIP code for at home and at work
listening in every ratings diary and can be plotted against coverage
contours quite easily.
In some metros, like LA, there is essentially no listening in the metro
outside of the 15 miv/m contours of the local stations. because such a "big"
signal is needed to overcome man-made interference.
> patiently awaiting the next barrage of commercial 'messages' so their HD
> will render full fidelity, or more likely trying to ignore commercials,
> fidelity or not?
Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
anything else. And in the areas wehre the new electronic Portable People
Meter is in yuse shows listeners are less likely to tune out an AM over
commercials than over a boring subject or a bad phone call, just as a bad
song will do it much faster on FM that a commercial break.
> ...and I certainly didn't drop 5 kilobucks on any single receiver
I believe I was addressing Mr. Telamon, who mentions incessantly having a
TenTec 340, which is around that price.
David Eduardo
> In Message-ID:<qjNCi.5295$z_5...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com> posted on Sun, 2
> Sep 2007 22:53:24 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin
>
>>Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
>>are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
>>anything else.
>
People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio.
Whether this is due to current receivers or to NRSC is a moot point... they
will not listne.
When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.
> Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
> actually sound that much better?
I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.
Doodler
David Eduardo wrote:
> "Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:46dbb6ca...@bart.spawar.mil...
> > In Message-ID:<qjNCi.5295$z_5...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com> posted on Sun, 2
> > Sep 2007 22:53:24 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin
> >
> >>Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
> >>are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
> >>anything else.
> >
> > Then what's the 'need' for HD enhancements?
>
> People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio.
>
> Whether this is due to current receivers or to NRSC is a moot point... they
> will not listne.
>
> When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the same
> programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has been
> demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
> Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
> have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the salable
> 35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.
And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.
>
> > Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
> > actually sound that much better?
>
> I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in my
> car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
> sounding voice.
If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.
David Eduardo
"Doodler" <suzanne...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1188832878....@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> David Eduardo wrote:
>>
>> When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the
>> same
>> programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has
>> been
>> demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
>> Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
>> have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the
>> salable
>> 35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.
>
>
> And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
> without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
> broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.
Just the move of an established news or newtalk format is enough to jump the
25-54 and keep it up. KSL in SLC began a year and a half ago an AM FM
simulcast, It immediately jumped about 25% in 25-54, and has, since then,
held the numbers consistently (n/t stations wobble a lot due to how strong
the "goings on" politically are, so one just has to index...) as a part of
the overall listenership. In fact, since the move, the numbers have been
consistedntly higher than any time in the last decade.
Same for KTAR in Phoenix, which moved from AM to FM... much higher 25-54
consistently. And WTOP in DC now has a very big 35-54 complonent, which they
were losing when AM only. No programming change at all, either.
All the cases I mentioned are typical traditional news talkers, with Rush,
Dr. Laura and other syndicated fare... and all have done very well. The best
example is the FM talker in Pittsburgh, which has taken nearly all the 35-54
numbers from KDKA, leaving that old AM with mostly 55+ listeners and hugely
declining revenue.
All it takes is putting the SAME format on FM and the 25-54 jumps. No need
to do anything else differently.
>
>>
>> > Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
>> > actually sound that much better?
>>
>> I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in
>> my
>> car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
>> sounding voice.
>
> If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
> generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.
>
The HD audio sounds quite listenable... vastly more listenable than analog
AM.
dxAce
David "I picked up this 'Eduardo' shtick so I could tap my feet in the bathroom
Shill!
Steve
> "Doodler" <suzannespel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.
David Eduardo
"Steve" <sdan...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:1188837418....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
> and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.
>
Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that
there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune
to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a
consequence.
Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to
move to, and are slowly losing revenue.
Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will
be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very
niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of
course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over
the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among
under-55s via the improved quality.
Steve
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
Lol. You are such a throw back. You will never lure young people away
their iPods, their cellphones and their myspace pages. I suggest you
quickly return your head to it's usual, sandy resting place. You're
fighting a battle that was lost twenty years ago.
dxAce
David "I'm pretty much stuck promoting crap since I adopted the 'Eduardo'
shtick, wrote:
Frackeltonian Thinking at its best!
Steve
>
> news:1188837418....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
> > and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.
>
> Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that
> there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune
> to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a
> consequence.
Quite the contrary? What is contrary to what? You seem to be replying
to someone else's post.
David Eduardo
In the case of AM news and talk programming, the potential audience is
almost entirely 35 and over; AM is losing the 35-50 year olds due to the
dreadful sound quality, ambient noise levels in big cities, directional AMs
that "go away" at night in many parts of metros, etc.
These listeners will use the news and talk formats if delivered in a better
quality... FM or HD.
As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But
radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics.
David Eduardo
"Quite the contrary" to what you said my thought process is.
I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive.
dxAce
David "Even though it's a holiday, I'm gonna shill as though it were a regular
Frackeltonian Thinking, yet again.
dxAce
Wow... even more Frackeltonian Thinking!
IBOCcrock
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
INSIDERADIO: "INSIDE STORY: News/Talk/Sports: Radio's Last Bastion"
"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Which is why News/Talk/
Sports is radio's last bastion... Right now -- while FMs are losing
the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more
News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio...
Accordingly, I urge owners of AM/FM clusters which include a News/Talk/
Sports AM to drop an FM music format and simulcast the News/Talk/
Sports AM... Imagine how smart you will look if -- suddenly -- your
entire market can now hear the News/Talk/Sports assets which are
radio's most-Sales-friendly programming..."
http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm
Claiming that AM radio is dying, when the music FMs are screwed - yea,
IBOC, with its jamming and poor coverage, is going to same AM ! You
are nothing more than an IBOC shill-parrot !
Steve
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Yeah, you keep dreaming. I hear that record albums are also going to
make a comeback. lol
Steve
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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> > On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> >> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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> >> > Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
> >> > and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.
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> >> Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that
> >> there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to
> >> tune
> >> to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a
> >> consequence.
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> > Quite the contrary? What is contrary to what? You seem to be replying
> > to someone else's post.
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> "Quite the contrary" to what you said my thought process is.
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Well, if your aren't able to bring AM back, see what you can do about
the horse and buggy. I think that if you just put a better suspension
in some of those old buggys, people would start using them again.
Young people won't tolerate poor suspensions.
David Eduardo
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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>> As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But
>> radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics.
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> Frackeltonian Thinking, yet again.
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Nope, not any single person's thinking. It is the data from Arbitron in the
first two People Metered markets.
David Eduardo
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>> I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive.
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> Wow... even more Frackeltonian Thinking!
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OK, genius... how do you suggest that AM radio stations reverse the
downtrend in total listening and the fact that only people over 50 use them,
for the most part? I'm sure you have a plan, or you would not so brashly
dismiss people actually in the business who are working to preserve the
viability of AM.
dxAce
David Frackelton Gleason, "My thought processes are so screwed up that I not
only believe in failed technology, I actually think one of my names is
'Eduardo'", wrote:
Yeah, by messing up the band with failed technology.
Now that is Frackeltonian Thinking!
David Eduardo
"IBOCcrock" <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Claiming that AM radio is dying, when the music FMs are screwed - yea,
> IBOC, with its jamming and poor coverage, is going to same AM ! You
> are nothing more than an IBOC shill-parrot !
>
That quote is from an interview (probably with Walt Sabo or Holland Cooke)
with a consultant who wants to sell stations services that involve
converting FMs to talk. It is not the opinion of Inside Radio. Man, even
your quotes are misquoted. Of course that person is going to dismiss music
radio, as he sells talk radio services.
The fact is that FMs playing music are not screwed... those with good
content and good music will work no matter what the distribution method
is... FM, WiMax, etc. The ones that are jukeboxes with an antennas will not
do as well, although there will be a market for free radio for many many
years if not decades.
HD jams little or nothing that is actually relevant or being listened to. HD
digital coverage is as good as the analog "usable" coverage of an AM (around
10 mv/m in metros) and the newer chipsets perform much better than the
pretty dreadful first generation radios that came out in the first wave. In
fact, on my third generation car radio I get LA's KNX in HD to beyond its 5
mv/m contour... where the analog signal is subject to lots of noise, the HD
is clear. But don't let facts mess with your agenda.
David Eduardo
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>> As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But
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> Yeah, you keep dreaming. I hear that record albums are also going to
> make a comeback. lol
Your opinion vs. hundreds of thousands of Arbitron diarykeepers each
quarter.
David Eduardo
The band is already "messed up" by the FCC licensing too many stations that
have never been viable. You do know, I hope, that during the entire period
that data was available, from the mid-50's to the mid-90's, half of all US
radio stations did not make money?
Today, there are few AMs that can survive for long... mostly the big high
power or non-directional metro stations, or rural AMs in underserved
communities.
Making jokes about "failed" technologies that are, in fact, at the very
beginning of their development helps in no conceivable way.
dxAce
David "Damn, I'm having a hard time here trying to persuade these folks that
HD/IBOC is the way of the future like my handlers told me to do. Oh well, I can
That's right, don't let the facts dissuade you from claiming that you're
Hispanic!
LMFAO
dxAce
Michigan
USA
dxAce
David "I'm gonna hype this crap no matter what anybody says cause I'm a
Well, it is failed technology no matter how much you are paid to hype it.
Please, run along, and practice your toe tapping code.
Steve
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
The "diarykeepers" don't think that record albums will come back?
Steve
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Whose joking? Even the horse and buggy is a new technology of you
compare it to, say, the lever and fulcrum.
David Eduardo
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> That's right, don't let the facts dissuade you from claiming that you're
> Hispanic!
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"Hispanic" is a culture. A person who spends 80% of their life, and all of
their adult life in a culture will be of that culture.
David Eduardo
No, but they are responsible for the placement of most of the $21 billion
dollars in radio advertising each year.
"Cleverness" about record albums (still a term of the trade used by "record
companies" to refer to their product) will not change the fact that all the
recognized data about radio usage today contradicts your totally
un-supported opinions.
Steve
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> Making jokes about "failed" technologies that are, in fact, at the very
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But it doesn't hurt in any conceivable way either, does it? Well,
except for people, like you, who are out to make money off of HD.
I think it could actually be a great thing if AM stations die. Think
how fascinating it will be to see what springs up in their place on
the MW band. Pirates, perhaps? New utilities? The possibilities are
endless.
Please don't stand in the way of this Golden Age.
Please stop living in the past.
Please stop trying to block progress.
And please keep your feet to yourself in the men's room stalls.
dxAce
Or pretend to be, as you do.
Now, as I suggested earlier, please run along and practice your toe tapping
code.