"Why the drop outs?
IBOCcrock
"I just installed the jvc hdr1 hd radio in my accord. I have the
antenna that is in the rear window.. I recieve alot of the hd radio
stations, but I am also getting alot of drop outs in my reception...
then it takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes less, to get the music
back.... I searched for some kind of antenna amplifier, but no deal...
is this normal for hd radio, do I need to buy a new antenna, if I am
receiving my regular stations fine? I am in NJ.. I get alot of the NJ
and NY hd stations which is the reason why I purchased it.... thanks
in advance..."
"HD1 should switch back to analog FM, this can be very very very
annoying if the volume level or timing is way off, but you should not
experience a dropout. HD2 and HD3 are subject to frequent dropouts
making their use in a moving vehicle more than annoying. Gerrrrr. Just
who thought this was going to be a practical technology since most
people listen to radio in their moving vehicles? I don't experience
these issues with AM HD and it does sound 100 times better than
conventional reception on today's poor AM radios."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022780
This inherently-flawed digital system is never going to work,
especialy in-dash!
harvey
Yep !
I'd ask for my money back . . .
Telamon
<c6dcbdf1-e285-4a49...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
IBOCcrock <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The system works as expected. The problem is that peoples expectations
are out of line. People want trouble free reception and this system will
not do that.
I don't know where you got the quote from but I have listened to HD AM
radio and the sound quality sucks. HD AM sounding better than analog is
pure BS. There is no technical reason to believe that HD AM can sound
better than analog.
I'll just keep on waiting for these 2nd generation radios to come out
before I give HD another try.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
IBOCcrock
<telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <c6dcbdf1-e285-4a49-9797-e30112b96...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
The problem lies in the low-power IBOC signals, so new receivers won't
help much, besides with digital, it's all-or-nothing, which consumers
won't put up with.
RHF
>
> - Show quoted text -
Drop-Outs - The Story of Celphone Digital Technology all over again
Answer - More Digital Power At The Radio Tower !
hello fcc - one percent solution ain't working ~ RHF
.
IBOCcrock
> On Apr 27, 4:56 am, IBOCcrock <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 26, 9:12�pm, Telamon
>
> > <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <c6dcbdf1-e285-4a49-9797-e30112b96...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > �IBOCcrock <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > "Why the drop outs?
>
> > > > antenna that is in the rear window.. I recieve alot of thehd radio
> > > > stations, but I am also getting alot of drop outs in my reception...
> > > > then it takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes less, to get the music
> > > > back.... I searched for some kind of antenna amplifier, but no deal...
>
> - Show quoted text -
AND, neither will the proposed 10db FM-HD power increase help - it
will result in unacceptable adjacent-channel interference, and require
HD broadcasters to replace all transmitters, antennas, STLs, etc., so
it isn't going to happen. Broadcasters are broke, and stocks in the
dumpsters.
Telamon
<081af899-7739-4c1e...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
IBOCcrock <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 9:12?pm, Telamon
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The problem lies in the low-power IBOC signals, so new receivers won't
> help much, besides with digital, it's all-or-nothing, which consumers
> won't put up with.
No. The problem is that it is a lousy design.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
dave
receiver, not the strength of the transmitter. If you have nasty
reflections more power doesn't help at all.
Scooter
stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.
barnegatdx
> I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am
> stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.
I may buy one of these things if it's at a Dollar store,
- or in an electronics Bin on Canal Street in NYC..
The technology of Rel 1.0 is probably meant for " Lab Only "
conditions,
and , with so many reflections, the electronics doubtless just throw
up their hands & quit
They might be good for something;
Doorstop, Boat anchor ,
etc..
BarnegatDx
A Brown
"Scooter" <sm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am
> stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.
It's different.....
The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were
competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to
choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses" approach
took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was no music
left on AM.
In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it!
Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to pick
a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard.
Brenda Ann
"A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote in message
news:0kQSj.127$nl7...@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary
analog, which they can already receive without replacing all their existing
radios (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception
of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.
A Brown
>>>I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way
>>>Am
>>> stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.
>>
>> It's different.....
>>
>> The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were
>> competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to
>> choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses"
>> approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was
>> no music left on AM.
>>
>> In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it!
>>
>> Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to
>> pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard.
>>
>
> Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary
Listeners have not made any conscious choice. Most of them don't even know
what HD radio is...
> which they can already receive without replacing all their existing radios
But those radio's don't/won't last forever....what will they be replaced
with? What will be in the cars they will buy in 2-3-4 or 5 years from now?
In the past many were content with AM radios. When they replaced them, they
wanted newer technology (FM).
Now you can't even buy a radio without FM, right?
> (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
> adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.
IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.
If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to
each other in the same area.
RHF
>
> - Show quoted text -
A Brown - Wait a day or two and someone will come along
and call you an IBCO Shill. ~ RHF
.
Brenda Ann
>
>> (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
>> adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.
>
> IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.
>
> If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
> the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
> to each other in the same area.
Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear. There
are millions of people across the country that do not live in major metro
areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio. And you didn't even
address adjacent channel and second adjacent interference, which HAS been
proved many times over. Before IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one
in Seattle on 97.3, one in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same
programming (not something I care about in most cases, but in this case I
did) all the way from Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio
up one position at some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that
middle area, it's nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal. I know many
people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen to local radio.
They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland television). At least
they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now they're a
captive audience to local stations.. those that didn't just turn off their
radios completely and listen to CD's and MP3's.
It's supposed to be a free country. I for one, and there are a great many
others, don't like being told what to listen to.
dxAce
Brenda Ann wrote:
'Eduardo' will be around shortly to straighten your thinking out after he
recovers from the Cinco de Mayo festivities.
IBOCGreedMongers
>
AM-HD and FM-HD both jam!
JoanD'arcRoast
<Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
Why in the bloody h*ll are you posting to r.r.s.? You obviously have no
appreciation of DX, be it SWL or MW. (Sorry to be harsh, but my mind's
ear hears Bugs saying, "Ehhhh, what a Maroon!")
-j
A Brown
> If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
> the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
> to
> each other in the same area.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
>> A Brown - Wait a day or two and someone will come along
>> and call you an IBCO Shill. ~ RHF
yes, and I MUST be on the board of iBiquity, etc.
At least Brenda Ann posted why she isn't a fan of IBOC. The rest seem to be
on some kind of tirade without any foundation.
A Brown
>>> (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
>>> adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.
>>
>> IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.
>>
>> If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
>> the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
>> to each other in the same area.
>
> Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear.
I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. I'm telling you what you
should expect to be able to hear.
> There are millions of people across the country that do not live in major
> metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio.
Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover limited
areas. If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then
you're out of luck.
> And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent
> interference,
I think I have....When Is aid this:
>> If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
>> the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
>> to each other in the same area.
> efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3, one
> in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not something
> I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from
> Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at
> some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area, it's
> nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal.
Well, this is an isolated example. The industry was not set up to protect
stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. And in these cases, it
is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. (97.1 &
97.3)
But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the
Portland/Seattle area....all technology should stop? So you can listen to
one station in your car?
> I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen
> to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland
> television).
The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city
of service.
IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and
potential.
The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer
technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant
stations?
> At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now
> they're a captive audience to local stations..
You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area?
> It's supposed to be a free country. I for one, and there are a great many
> others, don't like being told what to listen to.
It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer
technologies.
Pocke...@gmail.com
You are obviously associated with HD Radio in some capacity - your
rote answers are right out of the HD Alliance's Guerilla Handbook. HD
Radio is a farce:
Telamon
>
> >>>I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way
> >>>Am
> >>> stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died.
> >>
> >> It's different.....
> >>
> >> The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were
> >> competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to
> >> choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses"
> >> approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was
> >> no music left on AM.
> >>
> >> In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it!
> >>
> >> Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to
> >> pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard.
> >>
> >
> > Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary
> > analog...
>
> Listeners have not made any conscious choice. Most of them don't even know
> what HD radio is...
I have and so have others.
HD radio, tune in, turn on, and drop out. Ha ha ha.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
A Brown
<Pocke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9dd64443-a5db-458e...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 6, 10:20?pm, "A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
> >>> (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception
> >>> of
> >>> adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel
> >>> reception.
>
> >> IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.
>
> >> If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not
> >> in
> >> the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that
> >> close
> >> to each other in the same area.
>
> > Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear.
>
> should expect to be able to hear.
>
> > There are millions of people across the country that do not live in
> > major
> > metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio.
>
> Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover
> limited
> you're out of luck.
>
> > And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent
> > interference,
>
> I think I have....When Is aid this:
>
> >> If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not
> >> in
> >> the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that
> >> close
> >> to each other in the same area.
> > efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3,
> > one
> > in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not
> > something
> > I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from
> > Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at
> > some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area,
> > it's
> > nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal.
>
> stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. ?And in these cases, it
> is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. ?(97.1 &
> 97.3)
>
> But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the
> one station in your car?
>
> > I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen
> > to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland
> > television).
>
> The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city
> of service.
>
> IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and
> potential.
>
> The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer
> technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant
> stations?
>
> > At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC,
> > now
> > they're a captive audience to local stations..
>
> You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area?
>
> > others, don't like being told what to listen to.
>
> It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer
> technologies.
>> You are obviously associated with HD Radio in some capacity <<
Oh, here we go....Anyone who looks at the subject without the "HD Radio must
Die" attitude has to be accused of working for iBiquity, eh?
Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
Deal with it.
>> HD Radio is a farce
HD radio is a new technology that offers many new features to typical
broadcast radio.
You or I won't decide it's fate. Consumers, manufacturers and broadcasters
will.
Give it a rest
m II
> HD radio, tune in, turn on, and drop out. Ha ha ha.
>
Sounds like 'Lost Signal Detection' abuse to me.
mike leary II
RHF
wrote:
> In article <s6QTj.2382$3O7.1...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-
Teli - Almost read like a 'david' post. ~ RHF
.
Telamon
"A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
< SNIP >
"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Radio Ron
>> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>
> < SNIP >
>
> "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.
My HD radio is working fine!
It must be you.
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
You must be nuts.
You meant to say HD is working like crap. That I could believe.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Pocke...@gmail.com
> <PocketRa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Oh, here we go....Anyone who looks at the subject without the "HD Radiomust
> Die" attitude has to be accused of working for iBiquity, eh?
>
> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>
> Deal with it.
>
> >>HD Radiois a farce
>
> broadcast radio.
>
> You or I won't decide it's fate. �Consumers, manufacturers and broadcasters
> will.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Deal with it - oh, I heard that a thousand times from IBOC-shills! HD/
IBOC will be the downfall of the broadcast indusrt. Conversions to FM-
HD has jsut about stalled, and definately stalled with AM-HD - LOL!
Pocke...@gmail.com
> >> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>
> > < SNIP >
>
> > "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.
>
>
> It must be you.
“Is HD Radio Toast?”
“There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. The
engineers of Ibiquity may argue otherwise and defend the system, but
the industry has a serious PR problem with the very people we need to
get the word out on HD... In other words, everything you can find on
the regular FM dial... The word has already gotten out about HD Radio.
People who have already bought an HD Radio are telling others of their
experience (mostly bad) and no amount of marketing will reverse this.”
http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772
"IBOC TECHNOLOGY: An Assessment of Technical & Operational Issues in
the Canadian FM Radio Environment"
"For a variety of reasons relating to the time requirements for
digital signal processing, it takes 8-10 seconds for the digital audio
signals to be heard when an HD Radio receiver is first tuned to a
transmission. Likewise, it can take equally long to restore digital
quality when the signal fails and then returns again. A secondary
consequence of this processing delay is that programming fed to the
analog FM transmitter must be delayed by 8-10 seconds whenever the
blending feature is being utilized. This ensures that content is not
lost when the receiver switches back to analog mode during a digital
signal failure. Stations using this technology may need to implement
certain internal operational changes to accommodate the fact that off-
air listeners will experience delays of up to 10 seconds with both the
analog and digital versions of their programming. Since no analog
program version exists for ancillary HD2 or HD3 programming, listeners
experiencing digital failures must simply tolerate audio outages until
the signal restores itself."
http://www.cab-acr.ca/english/radio/dab/DRCG_Report_final.pdf
Yea, working like a champ - LOL!
Radio Ron
>> >> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>> >
>> > < SNIP >
>> >
>> > "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.
>>
>>
>> My HD radio is working fine!
>>
>> It must be you.
>
> You must be nuts.
>
> You meant to say HD is working like crap. That I could believe.
Nope.
I'm listening right now. Works fine here.
It's you.
You probably never got a cell phone becuase your old CB radio works just
fine, right?
Radio Ron
> > "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.
>
> MyHD radiois working fine!
>
> It must be you.
“Is HD Radio Toast?”
>>“There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. <<
Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM!
(And we all k now how that turned out!)
Brenda Ann
>
> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>
> Deal with it.
>
Color TV, stereo FM, stereo AM, RDS, SCA, etc. did not interfere with
existing services. IBOC is being almost universally panned. It's a
non-starter. A very few thousand early adapters (nerds, and not even that
many nerds) have bothered to buy the radios. IBOC has elicited a massive
ennui from the American populus, and interference complaints (especially
with nighttime AM IBOC) from many stations in the US, Canada and Mexico,
where IBOC sidebands interfere within the city grade contours of existing
stations.
dave
>>>> (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of
>>>> adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception.
>>> IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to.
>>>
>>> If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in
>>> the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close
>>> to each other in the same area.
>> Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear.
>
> I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. I'm telling you what you
> should expect to be able to hear.
>
>> There are millions of people across the country that do not live in major
>> metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio.
>
> Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover limited
> areas. If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then
> you're out of luck.
>
channel stations provide service to interurban areas.
dave
>
> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>
> Deal with it.
>
Color TV and FM stereo didn't wipe out extra spectrum when they were
introduced. Where is it written that everything has to be digital?
dave
dave
put up with IBOC crap from 1140 in Sacto and 1160 in SLC. A service to
thousands is diminished for the benefit of a handful of techies.
dave
Radio Ron
>> limited areas. If you do not live in an area that is covered by a
>> station...then you're out of luck.
>>
> That's bullshit. The FCC specifically requires that top tier clear
> channel stations provide service to interurban areas.
There is no such thing as "clear channel" stations anymore.
Please get with the 20th century.
Radio Ron
"dave" <not...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:aEhUj.6555$zh....@fe085.usenetserver.com...
>A Brown wrote:
>
>>
>> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>>
>> Deal with it.
>>
> Color TV and FM stereo didn't wipe out extra spectrum when they were
> introduced.
Nor is IBOC.
> Where is it written that everything has to be digital?
Read carefully: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S
Radio Ron
Maybe it was before your time....
"I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more". "There's
Nothing on FM I would want to hear".
"Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my
(staticky) FM?"
Radio Ron
"Brenda Ann" <bre...@shinbiro.com> wrote in message
news:MtednRscO7oK07zV...@giganews.com...
>
> "A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote in message
> news:T89Uj.14554$V14....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>>
>> Deal with it.
>>
>
> Color TV, stereo FM, stereo AM, RDS, SCA, etc. did not interfere with
> existing services.
And IOBOC doesn't either...unless youa re listening to stations that are not
required to cover your area.
> IBOC is being almost universally panned.
If this was the case, there wouldn't be radios for sale or stations that
broadcast in IBOC.
The onl;y "universal panning" that is going on is by people who want to hold
back technological innovation.
> IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus
How lonf did FM take to be the accepted standard?
> and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from many
> stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere
> within the city grade contours of existing stations.
The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore...
Radio Ron
> Radio Ron wrote:
>>>> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>>> < SNIP >
>>>
>>> "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.
>>
>>
>> My HD radio is working fine!
>>
>> It must be you.
>>
>>
> If one wants to listen to 1150 in Los Angeles in the morning one must put
> up with IBOC crap from 1140 in Sacto and 1160 in SLC.
Not if you are in LA....which is the city of service for 1150AM.
> A service to thousands is diminished for the benefit of a handful of >
> techies.
No, for the benefit of listeners in LA...which is the service area for
1150AM.
Brenda Ann
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:jNWdnd53B8tMbLzV...@comcast.com...
I'm talking about local stations in said localities, many within their
protected contours.
A Brown
>>> and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from
>>> many
>>> stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere
>>> within the city grade contours of existing stations.
>>
>> The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore...
>
> I'm talking about local stations in said localities, many within their
> protected contours.
Please cite the case you are speaking about....
Where does a local station get interfered with in their own city of license
or protected contour by another stations IBOC.
I have never heard of such a case.
A Brown
>>> radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. <<
>>>
>>> Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM!
>>>
>>> (And we all k now how that turned out!)
>> Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know.
>
> Maybe it was before your time....
>
> "I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more".
> "There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear".
>
> "Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my
> (staticky) FM?"
Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM
Band, right?
Add to that "I don't see why they are making me buy and FM radio when I
don't want one!"
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
> >> >
> >> > < SNIP >
> >> >
> >> > "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works.
> >>
> >>
> >> My HD radio is working fine!
> >>
> >> It must be you.
> >
> > You must be nuts.
> >
> > You meant to say HD is working like crap. That I could believe.
>
> Nope.
>
> I'm listening right now. Works fine here.
>
> It's you.
Maybe you are right, I don't have tin ears.
> You probably never got a cell phone becuase your old CB radio works just
> fine, right?
I have the same electronic leash every indispensable person else has.
That used to mean a pager years back but is now a cell phone these days.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> "Brenda Ann" <bre...@shinbiro.com> wrote in message
> news:MtednRscO7oK07zV...@giganews.com...
> >
> > "A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote in message
> > news:T89Uj.14554$V14....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >>
> >> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
> >>
> >> Deal with it.
> >>
> >
> > Color TV, stereo FM, stereo AM, RDS, SCA, etc. did not interfere with
> > existing services.
>
> And IOBOC doesn't either...unless youa re listening to stations that are not
> required to cover your area.
That's retard talk. If I want to listen to it and a near by IBOC station
screws that up is all I care about.
> > IBOC is being almost universally panned.
>
> If this was the case, there wouldn't be radios for sale or stations that
> broadcast in IBOC.
>
> The onl;y "universal panning" that is going on is by people who want to hold
> back technological innovation.
BS. People that want to listen to stations on the dial are not holding
back technological innovation IBOC does that.
> > IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus
>
> How lonf did FM take to be the accepted standard?
What has that have to do with IBOC?
> > and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from many
> > stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere
> > within the city grade contours of existing stations.
>
> The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore...
Yes, the stations themselves are doing it.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
IBOC is not P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S. IBOC is old technology misapplied to the
broadcast bands.
IBOC is a stupid pointy haired boss idea.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Brenda Ann
Radio manufacturers were NEVER, and are still not, "required" to include the
FM band. There are still AM-only pocket radios on the market to this day.
FM was added to more radios within a given line as it became more popular.
FM gained popularity primarily due to content, and not fidelity. The average
person doesn't know fidelity from Fido. The most popular 'hard rock' radio
station in Portland for several years (even with 3 such stations available
on FM) was an AM station licensed to Vancouver, WA. Content made it
successful, over the better fidelity of the FM stations (well, that, and
some coverage issues... even with a 100,000 watt transmitter, there are just
some places in the Portland market that cannot receive good FM signals).
Radio Ron
>
> "A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote in message
> news:pWqUj.16096$2g1....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> "There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
>>>>> radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. <<
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM!
>>>>>
>>>>> (And we all k now how that turned out!)
>>>> Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know.
>>>
>>> Maybe it was before your time....
>>>
>>> "I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more".
>>> "There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear".
>>>
>>> "Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my
>>> (staticky) FM?"
>>
>> Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM
>> Band, right?
>>
>> Add to that "I don't see why they are making me buy and FM radio when I
>> don't want one!"
>
> FM gained popularity primarily due to content, and not fidelity.
But why? "Everyone was happy with AM Radio." "FM Radio cost more money."
There'll always be people who want to go back to the stone age....
Radio Ron
>> And IOBOC doesn't either...unless youa re listening to stations that are
>> not
>> required to cover your area.
>
> That's retard talk. If I want to listen to it and a near by IBOC station
> screws that up is all I care about.
If you want to listen to BBC Radio I in America and you can't pick it up
because a NYC station is on the same frequency, should the FCC mandate a
change?
Face it. Stations are only protected within certain contours.
Outside of that it's gravy.
> BS. People that want to listen to stations on the dial are not holding
> back technological innovation IBOC does that.
two thoughts...
You can't listen to everything...as radio signals are finite...and they are
only protected so far...
Second, there are many more station offerred thru IBOC. So "lack of choice"
is a nonissue.
>> > IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus
>>
>> How lonf did FM take to be the accepted standard?
>
> What has that have to do with IBOC?
New standards and new technology take time for the public to realize.
And since this is an advertiser supported medium...the content depends on
the listenership.
>> The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore...
>
> Yes, the stations themselves are doing it.
There's not much a former "clear channel" station can do if the FCC allows
another station on their frequency.
Radio Ron
>> >> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Deal with it.
>> >>
>> > Color TV and FM stereo didn't wipe out extra spectrum when they were
>> > introduced.
>>
>> Nor is IBOC.
>>
>> > Where is it written that everything has to be digital?
>>
>> Read carefully: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S
>
> IBOC is not P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S. IBOC is old technology misapplied to the
> broadcast bands.
The digital revolution is old technology? Funny...it seems like everything
else around us is using digitization to improve.
But you can stay with DOS if you like....
>>IBOC is a stupid pointy haired boss idea.
And IBOC detractors are whiney little low-level employees who complain that
the world is passing them by.
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
I find it real interesting that in the name of some bogus digital
progress you think it is just fine that the choices I had being taken
away is no problem. You need to rethink that thought.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Deal with it.
> >> >>
> >> > Color TV and FM stereo didn't wipe out extra spectrum when they were
> >> > introduced.
> >>
> >> Nor is IBOC.
> >>
> >> > Where is it written that everything has to be digital?
> >>
> >> Read carefully: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S
> >
> > IBOC is not P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S. IBOC is old technology misapplied to the
> > broadcast bands.
>
> The digital revolution is old technology? Funny...it seems like everything
> else around us is using digitization to improve.
>
> But you can stay with DOS if you like....
The IBOC concept is about as old as DOS.
> >>IBOC is a stupid pointy haired boss idea.
>
> And IBOC detractors are whiney little low-level employees who complain that
> the world is passing them by.
I am a radio listener that has experienced the band deteriorate due to
this piece o' crap technology called IBOC. The people that are promoting
IBOC are a bunch of marketing retards that don't understand this
misapplication of digital technology.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
I own several radios that do not have the FM broadcast band. They are
SW and AMBCB.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
>
> - Show quoted text -
David Knows - That He Do ~ RHF
.
dave
>
> The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore...
>
The FCC is run by idiots.
Luckily, cooler heads prevail at Citadel, where they protect their night
signals by turning the interference generators off at sunset.
dave
§ 73.21 Classes of AM broadcast channels and stations.
(a) Clear channel. A clear channel is one on which stations are assigned
to serve wide areas. These stations are protected from objectionable
interference within their primary service areas and, depending on the
class of station, their secondary service areas. Stations operating on
these channels are classified as follows:
(1) Class A station. A Class A station is an unlimited time station that
operates on a clear channel and is designed to render primary and
secondary service over an extended area and at relatively long distances
from its transmitter. Its primary service area is protected from
objectionable interference from other stations on the same and adjacent
channels, and its secondary service area is protected from interference
from other stations on the same channel. (See §73.182). The operating
power shall not be less than 10 kW nor more than 50 kW. (Also see
§73.25(a)).
dave
one battery, I'll call it progress.
dave
dave
dave
>>>>>> "There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
>>>> radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. <<
>>>>
>>>> Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM!
>>>>
>>>> (And we all k now how that turned out!)
>>> Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know.
>> Maybe it was before your time....
>>
>> "I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more".
>> "There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear".
>>
>> "Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my
>> (staticky) FM?"
>
> Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM
> Band, right?
>
dave
Radio Ron
> I find it real interesting that in the name of some bogus digital
> progress you think it is just fine that the choices I had being taken
> away is no problem. You need to rethink that thought.
If this was prevalent....don't you think there'd be a massive revolt among
radio listeners?
FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you?
>>The IBOC concept is about as old as DOS.
And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000,
XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux.
>> The people that are promoting IBOC are a bunch of marketing retards
I am not in marketing, nor am I a retard.
Do you want to call names or have a dsicussion?
Radio Ron
Surprise, it's back on!
(If not all of their stations...at least some of them.)
>>"Its primary service area is protected from
objectionable interference from other stations on the same and adjacent
channels"<<
Again, only in the Primary service area.
The idea of "clear channels" is a remnant of the past.
>>I am 6 miles from the Los Angeles city limits.
And you have trouble picking up 1150AM?
Are you on the outside of their primary service area?
http://radio-locator.com/pats/KTLK_AM_LN.gif
>>The Mighty 1090 gets trashed by KNX.
You mean a station licensed to Mexico that is primarily serving San Diego?
Are you outside of the primary serivce area?
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
> > I find it real interesting that in the name of some bogus digital
> > progress you think it is just fine that the choices I had being taken
> > away is no problem. You need to rethink that thought.
>
> If this was prevalent....don't you think there'd be a massive revolt among
> radio listeners?
>
> FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you?
Mostly choice in the evenings. Some programs are not broadcast from
around here so I tune to more distant stations to hear them.
> >>The IBOC concept is about as old as DOS.
>
> And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000,
> XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux.
That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today.
Digital mode can be a good thing if done right and not interfere with
the current service.
> >> The people that are promoting IBOC are a bunch of marketing retards
>
> I am not in marketing, nor am I a retard.
>
> Do you want to call names or have a dsicussion?
A discussion would be preferable but this has been hashed out in this
news group numerous times so I would be surprised if you could bring
something new to the discussion.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
A Brown
>> > progress you think it is just fine that the choices I had being taken
>> > away is no problem. You need to rethink that thought.
>>
>> If this was prevalent....don't you think there'd be a massive revolt
>> among
>> radio listeners?
>>
>> FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you?
>
> Mostly choice in the evenings. Some programs are not broadcast from
> around here so I tune to more distant stations to hear them.
nothing specific?
>> And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000,
>> XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux.
>
> That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today.
And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS one.
>> >> The people that are promoting IBOC are a bunch of marketing retards
>>
>> I am not in marketing, nor am I a retard.
>>
>> Do you want to call names or have a dsicussion?
>
> A discussion would be preferable but this has been hashed out in this
> news group numerous times...
Hashed out by calling people 'retards'?
I'm sure that led to a lot of enlightening discussions....
>
> --
> Telamon
> Ventura, California
>
Telamon
"A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
> >> > I find it real interesting that in the name of some bogus digital
> >> > progress you think it is just fine that the choices I had being taken
> >> > away is no problem. You need to rethink that thought.
> >>
> >> If this was prevalent....don't you think there'd be a massive revolt
> >> among
> >> radio listeners?
> >>
> >> FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you?
> >
> > Mostly choice in the evenings. Some programs are not broadcast from
> > around here so I tune to more distant stations to hear them.
>
> nothing specific?
I thought what I wrote was clear.
> >> And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000,
> >> XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux.
> >
> > That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today.
>
> And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS one.
I'm not. I think it is to bad you have a computer at all.
> >> >> The people that are promoting IBOC are a bunch of marketing retards
> >>
> >> I am not in marketing, nor am I a retard.
> >>
> >> Do you want to call names or have a dsicussion?
> >
> > A discussion would be preferable but this has been hashed out in this
> > news group numerous times...
>
> Hashed out by calling people 'retards'?
>
> I'm sure that led to a lot of enlightening discussions....
I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
A Brown
> I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be?
Are people that hate IBOC on the payroll for XM and Sirius?
Radio Ron
>> >> And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000,
>> >> XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux.
>> >
>> > That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today.
>>
>> And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS one.
>
> I'm not. I think it is to bad you have a computer at all.
Telamon I see you bring discussion to a whole new level.
You have a feeling and you dont want to let facts get in the way.
Rob
>> >> FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you?
>> >
>> > Mostly choice in the evenings. Some programs are not broadcast from
>> > around here so I tune to more distant stations to hear them.
>>
>> nothing specific?
>
> I thought what I wrote was clear.
Clear as mud.
What station are you having trouble listening to from what location?
What station is interefering with it?
>> I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be?
I'm reminded of something the nuns used to say.
God gave you two ears and one mouth....so you can listen twice as much as
you speak.
dave
> "dave" <not...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:AsCUj.39695$ye3....@fe119.usenetserver.com...
>> Radio Ron wrote:
>>
>>> The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore...
>> The FCC is run by idiots.
>>
>> Luckily, cooler heads prevail at Citadel, where they protect their night
>> signals by turning the interference generators off at sunset.
>
> Surprise, it's back on!
>
> (If not all of their stations...at least some of them.)
>
>>> "Its primary service area is protected from
> objectionable interference from other stations on the same and adjacent
> channels"<<
>
> Again, only in the Primary service area.
>
> The idea of "clear channels" is a remnant of the past.
>
>>> I am 6 miles from the Los Angeles city limits.
>
> And you have trouble picking up 1150AM?
>
> Are you on the outside of their primary service area?
>
> http://radio-locator.com/pats/KTLK_AM_LN.gif
>
at my house in Santa Clarita.
KNX trashes 1090 in North County.
Telamon
"A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
> > I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be?
>
> Are people that hate IBOC on the payroll for XM and Sirius?
Does A Brown have anything in the way of intellectual capacity?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
What facts are you having a problem with? Have you bothered to read past
discussions? I don't think so.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"Rob" <rpa...@mailandnewsNOSPAM.com> wrote:
> >> >> FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you?
> >> >
> >> > Mostly choice in the evenings. Some programs are not broadcast from
> >> > around here so I tune to more distant stations to hear them.
> >>
> >> nothing specific?
> >
> > I thought what I wrote was clear.
>
> Clear as mud.
>
> What station are you having trouble listening to from what location?
Does it matter?
> What station is interefering with it?
Does it matter?
> >> I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be?
>
> I'm reminded of something the nuns used to say.
>
> God gave you two ears and one mouth....so you can listen twice as much as
> you speak.
The nuns were right so go do some work on that one.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
A Brown
>> >> >> And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98,
>> >> >> 2000,
>> >> >> XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux.
>> >> >
>> >> > That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today.
>> >>
>> >> And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS
>> >> one.
>> >
>> > I'm not. I think it is to bad you have a computer at all.
>>
>> Telamon I see you bring discussion to a whole new level.
>>
>> You have a feeling and you dont want to let facts get in the way.
>
> What facts are you having a problem with? Have you bothered to read past
> discussions? I don't think so.
I've read a lot of people complaining about IBOC with no specifics.
And trying to engage you is apparently a futile effort.
A Brown
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-8...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
This is how you contribute to the discussion?
A Brown
>> What station are you having trouble listening to from what location?
> Does it matter?
>
>> What station is interefering with it?
> Does it matter?
Well, do you want to add some credibility to your position?
> The nuns were right so go do some work on that one.
I think you have more posts on this newsgroup than anyone else.
Telamon
<telamon_spamshield-8...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
Looks like the answer is no.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
The answer is no again. At least you are consistent.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
> >> What station are you having trouble listening to from what location?
> > Does it matter?
> >
> >> What station is interefering with it?
> > Does it matter?
>
> Well, do you want to add some credibility to your position?
I suggest you read post on this topic. You will find plenty.
> > The nuns were right so go do some work on that one.
>
> I think you have more posts on this newsgroup than anyone else.
I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid
answers like RHF.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Radio Ron
>> >> What station are you having trouble listening to from what location?
>> > Does it matter?
>> >
>> >> What station is interefering with it?
>> > Does it matter?
>>
>> Well, do you want to add some credibility to your position?
>
> I suggest you read post on this topic. You will find plenty.
>
>> > The nuns were right so go do some work on that one.
>>
>> I think you have more posts on this newsgroup than anyone else.
>
> I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid
> answers like RHF.
No you're the one posting stupid comments with nothing to say!
Rob
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-
> I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid
> answers like RHF.
telamon has post after post here with absolutey nothing to say.....and he's
calling OTHERS stupid?
telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts and with the least
to say.
i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little.
A. Nony Muss
"Rob" <rpa...@mailandnewsNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:NiaVj.63$hJ5...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
Telemon is what happens when they put computers in the rec room of the group
home.
RHF
> "Telamon" <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:telamon_spamshield-
>
> > I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid
> > answers like RHF.
>
- to say.....and he's calling OTHERS stupid?
-
- telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts
- and with the least to say.
-
- i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little.
The D'Oh! Poll : Vote for Telamon = The Guy on this Newsgroup
with the Most Post and the Least to Say.
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.
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
I have already said it all. This is your opportunity to post something
that has not already been discussed and you failed so don't blame me.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
You are the one asking stupid questions. First off you could turn on a
radio and hear it for yourself and second you could read the threads on
the topic but you are to lazy so get lost.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<747ba44a-67ab-4bf3...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On May 9, 10:21 pm, "Rob" <rpal...@mailandnewsNOSPAM.com> wrote:
> > "Telamon" <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
> >
> > news:telamon_spamshield-
> >
> > > I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid
> > > answers like RHF.
> >
> - telamon has post after post here with absolutey nothing
> - to say.....and he's calling OTHERS stupid?
> -
> - telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts
> - and with the least to say.
> -
> - i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little.
>
> The D'Oh! Poll : Vote for Telamon = The Guy on this Newsgroup
> with the Most Post and the Least to Say.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27oh%21
> http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/14/english.newwords/
>
> D'Oh! You Too Can Say
< SNIP >
And how is our news group retard doing today?
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Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
You are what happens as a result of drug abuse.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
> On May 9, 10:21 pm, "Rob" <rpal...@mailandnewsNOSPAM.com> wrote:> "Telamon" <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
>
> > news:telamon_spamshield-
>
> > > I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid
> > > answers like RHF.
>
> - telamon has post after post here with absolutey nothing
> - to say.....and he's calling OTHERS stupid?
> -
> - telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts
> - and with the least to say.
> -
> - i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little.
>
> The D'Oh! Poll : Vote for Telamon = The Guy on this Newsgroup
>
> D'Oh! You Too Can Say : I Support Telamon {Vote For Him}
>
> D'Oh! You Too Can Say : Shut-Up Already Telamon {Vote For Him}
>
> D'Oh! You Too May Realize : It's Another Post by Telamon
> That You "Choose" Not To Open and Read {Vote For Him}
>
> Either Way You Will Make Telamon Happy When You
> {Vote For Him}
>
> Telamon Wants Your Vote {Vote For Him}
>
> Telamon Needs Your Vote {Vote For Him}
>
> d'oh! just for the fun of it ~ RHF {sir posts-a-lot a bandwidth
> bandit}http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bandwidth+Bandit
> .
The Poll is Still Open . . .
Have You Cast Your Vote Today ?
.
Telamon
<f60cb7ec-93dc-4256...@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> The Poll is Still Open . . .
>
> Have You Cast Your Vote Today ?
> .
Why the need for a vote? You are the clear winner.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
A. Nony Muss
> You are the one asking stupid questions.
Another useless post by Telemon...
A. Nony Muss
>
> I have already said it all.
Yet you keep posting nothing over andover again...
Rob
>> >> I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid
>> >> answers like RHF.
>> >
>> >
>> > telamon has post after post here with absolutey nothing to say.....and
>> > he's calling OTHERS stupid?
>> >
>> > telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts and with the
>> > least
>> > to say.
>> >
>> > i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little.
telamon is unique in his ability to be the most active member of a newsgroup
yet adding so little to the discussion!
He is a gift unto himself!
A legend in his own mind!
>> Telemon is what happens when they put computers in the rec room of the
>> group
>> home.
Telemon has replaced his dick with his internet conection. (The internet
conenction is longer.)
Radio Ron
"A. Nony Muss" <Anon...@Anonymous.comm> wrote in message
news:rumdnYvhPpr0bbTV...@comcast.com...
>>> No you're the one posting stupid comments with nothing to say!
>>
>> I have already said it all.
>
> Yet you keep posting nothing over andover again...
But Telemon *owns* this group doncha' know?
Or at least he thinks he does.
Rob P
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
it's always everyone else thats stupid right tele? it's always easy to
blame others when you come out looking bad.
maybe look in the mirror
RHF
> >> >> I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid
> >> >> answers like RHF.
>
> >> > telamon has post after post here with absolutey nothing to say.....and
> >> > he's calling OTHERS stupid?
>
> >> > telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts and with the
> >> > least
> >> > to say.
>
> >> > i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little.
>
> telamon is unique in his ability to be the most active member of a newsgroup
> yet adding so little to the discussion!
>
> He is a gift unto himself!
>
> A legend in his own mind!
>
> >> Telemon is what happens when they put computers in the rec room of the
> >> group
> >> home.
>
- (The internet conenction is longer.)
ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
.
Hangman
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:a225b2a8-22ec-4242...@n1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
That's some funny stuff now!
8:)
Telamon
"Radio Ron" <dew1...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
I do own it and it's Telamon.
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Telamon
Ventura, California