Why didn't you round up the terrorists when you had a chance? You hate
America? You like watching innocent americans die?
Concerned Citizen
... end of story ...
John
I ask the same of GWB. Why did he sit there in a class room while Americans
lives were on the line. A real leader would have taken charge.
FDR wrote:
And a real 'tard would've posted just what you did, proving yet again how
totally clueless and out of the loop you are.
LMFAO
dxAce
Michigan
USA
2) Because it was good to take time and show the enemy that all they
managed was a slight annoyance.
3) Because he was right in the middle of things.
4) Because in the back of his mind, he was planning an appropiate response
and he could plan there are well as anywhere else.
5) Because he wanted people like you to wonder about it the rest of their
lives, and keep asking...
John
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005
Then-Attorney General John Ashcroft testified at the 9/11 Commission's
grandstanding hearings that one of its own commissioners, former
high-ranking Clinton Justice Department appointee Jamie S. Gorelick, had
been the prime architect of one of the problems for which the commissioners
regularly denounced the Bush administration: the wall between intelligence
agencies. Her infamous 1995 "wall" memo produced much of the harmful lack of
intelligence coordination that the Commission then used to criticize the
Bush administration.
...the intelligence wall Deputy Attorney General Gorelick put in place
smothered ongoing investigations into Chinese contributions to Bill Clinton'
s presidential campaigns. Specifically the Department of Defense and the CIA
were prohibited from exchanging relevant information with the FBI.
...
Not all were happy at the time with Gorelick's action. Gutsy New York
City-based U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White was appalled by the Gorelick
directive, sending two of her own memoranda back to Janet Reno and Gorelick
protesting, "The most effective way to combat terrorism is with as few
labels and walls as possible so that wherever permissible, the right and
left hands are communicating." Her recommendations were ignored. According
to the New York Post, White was so incensed by their actions that she wrote
a second, scathing memorandum warning that the "wall" hindered law
enforcement efforts to combat terrorism. "It will cost lives," she
reportedly warned. This second memo is still kept secret.
...
This inaction seemed to fall into line with the Clinton administration's
general disregard for terrorism. Although the discredited former National
Security Council staffer Richard Clarke presented President Clinton as an
anti-terrorism warrior, former intelligence officer Ralph Peters tells a
much different story. "Admitting that [terrorist] threats were
real.threatened to destroy the belief system the Clintonites had carried
into office," Peters detailed. In regards to the entire terrorist network,
methodology, and ideology, the Clintons were "a textbook case of denial." It
was bad enough, as the "Able Danger" reports indicate, that the Clintons
were willfully ignorant of the threat but their criminal negligence was
compounded by a sleazy attempt to pass the buck on the Bush administration.
Bill Clinton never made any serious retaliation for any of these
provocations, nor the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, emboldening these
terrorists, assuring through his "intelligence wall" that 9/11 terrorists
could not be properly identified and apprehended, and passing the blame for
the inevitable outcome of his policies to the nascent Bush administration.
If there was, in fact, covert direction from the top of the Commission to
key members of its staff to cloak any link between Saddam and the September
11 attacks, to obfuscate evidence tying the Iraqi regime to al-Qaeda and
Mohammed Atta, and to paint the most positive possible picture of the
Clintons as implacable terror-warriors, then "Able Danger" had to be ignored
and covered up. It fits the pattern of revisionist historical
interpretations that seems to be the only authentic legacy from the Clinton
years.
By acknowledging the Iraq/al-Qaeda ties, not only to terrorism in general
but to the September 11 attack, the war becomes completely justifiable as
exactly what the Bush administration claimed it was: a defensive, if
preemptive, war to protect the United States from a regime with cordial ties
to anti-American terrorists. This outcome is so repugnant to the hard Left
that it will justify even the most extraordinary suppression of evidence or
promulgation of an outright lie in order to achieve its ends.
This is a critically important story that demands public attention. It will
not be seriously investigated by many reporters, because the mainstream (
read: leftist ) media is not interested in exposing how its favorite
president in decades enabled terrorists to pull off the worse act of
domestic terrorism in U.S. history.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19129
"Concerned citizen" <c...@lar.ge> wrote in message
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... worse, his wife wants to take a shot at us! <frown>
John
It's interesting to note the parallels in the former Yugoslavia
invasion and the Iraq invasion.
One had absolutely no national interest to the USA, the other had vital
interest.
One had rumors of genocide, the other had rumors of weapons of mass
destruction.
One had Haliburton as a no-bid contractor with lots of cost overruns,
the other had Haliburton as a no-bid contractor with lots of cost
overruns.
One allowed the country to fragment into four or more independant
states, the other is trying to hold together several diverse states.
One invasion of no national interest was applauded by the the left, the
other of vital interest.... is condemned.
... only question is, "Why isn't clinton in prison for murder and
treason?"
... end of story ...
John
The Terrorists did the killing. Not Clinton. Nor did the poster state
Clinton did.
How many times was the United States attacked under Clinton's watch? 8? 9?
Who was President the FIRST time the World Trade Center was bombed?
Read it again.
...end of story...
But only he had the power to ok the taking down of the planes.
>
> 2) Because it was good to take time and show the enemy that all they
> managed was a slight annoyance.
Don't you wish those 9/11 families would see it your way?
>
> 3) Because he was right in the middle of things.
See Dick Run, See Jane run, see Dick and Jane run.
>
> 4) Because in the back of his mind, he was planning an appropiate response
> and he could plan there are well as anywhere else.
"Should I have steak or beef for dinner?"
>
> 5) Because he wanted people like you to wonder about it the rest of their
> lives, and keep asking...
Ahh, it doesn't take up any of my time.
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:1124148277.8...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
...
Well, that leaves Clinton out in the cold...
One had no oil and the other oil. I see where you are going.
>
> One had rumors of genocide, the other had rumors of weapons of mass
> destruction.
And those rumors of genocide were found to be true. The mass graves confirm
that.
>
> One had Haliburton as a no-bid contractor with lots of cost overruns,
> the other had Haliburton as a no-bid contractor with lots of cost
> overruns.
>
> One allowed the country to fragment into four or more independant
> states, the other is trying to hold together several diverse states.
>
> One invasion of no national interest was applauded by the the left, the
> other of vital interest.... is condemned.
The one with no vital interest had wide support across many countries. The
one with the vital interest (oil) had a couple of countries (of meaning)
supporting it.
A coment about the land fromerly making the nation of Yugoslavia
2 of the nations Serbia and Montenegro had been independant state when
jioned into Yugoslavia, Croatia, had been egeaged in effort to achieve
its fredom from the KaKa as the Hapsburg empire was known when
Yugoslavia, was formed Macedonain had been part of the Turskish empire
til it was thrown into the mix So Yugoslavie born aprox 1919 of peices
of 4 prewar nations died in the 1980's by spining it various parts,
back apart again
Huh???
I am speaking of Vince Foster and the six others close to clinton, only
common denominator, they were all involved in clintons' financial
affairs... google it...
But, you are correct, his policies should be examined to see if he
committed any criminal negligence while he was in office which is tied to
911...
John
yeah, but I'll bet the dry cleaning bill was a helluva lot cheaper than
the bill for the flags, body bags, pine boxes, burn surgery, prosthetic
limbs and re-hab. (and before you jump to any conclusions, no, I didn't
vote for Clinton).
Why don't you all just hire another special prosecutor again?
I love it. The Repooblicans screw up royally and keep spinning into "blame
the Democrats".
ROTFLMAO
How's the price of gas?
Hear a big flushing sound as jobs disappear?
Ever wonder why 9 of the 13 hijackers were Saudi's and yet Bin Laden's
relatives were allowed a flight out after 9-11 when the air space was shut
down?
Ever think how much Bush might have invested in common with the Saudi's?
OMG, this is *way* too much.
Don't you love the unbalanced budget? Much better than a balanced budget
with Clinton. What Clinton did in the Oval Office was nothing compared to
G. W. B. and company.
Trust me; history is not going to be kind to Bush. Assuming our descendents
are still here, of course.
ZBM-2
Jim AA2QA
Don't think that will happen!
No, america just takes a black eye, holds its' head high and proceeds,
hopefully not to make the same mistake twice--about the best which can be
done... evil often wins, unless good is awfully careful...
John
You are most likely right about bush. I big money, corporate superpowers
and those otherwise keeping pockets full are the real bosses. They play
us for dummies.
What in your personal life got better under clinton? What in your
personal life got better under bush?
Do you really think I hold hope in any man they stick in there? It is the
people who have to stand up to the plate and control their employees.
Would help by grabbing a couple, investigating what is obvious and toss
them into prison if they are committing crimes against american citizens.
I think many are thinking on how to do this, frankly, I feel kind of
powerless.
About the best I can do is acknowledge there is something rotten going
on... and a general knowledge that "something-ain't-right" just isn't
good enough... be a help if we could just make the news start doing their
job again... telling the truth...
John
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:1124161534.5...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You asked why, now you want to tell me you are unhappy? Well, guess what?
The people in hell want ice water too...
John
I'll go find my thermos.
that is a result of 8 or so years back
> Hear a big flushing sound as jobs disappear?
been hearing it a long time
> Ever wonder why 9 of the 13 hijackers were Saudi's and yet Bin Laden's
> relatives were allowed a flight out after 9-11 when the air space was shut
> down?
that Happened? not according to other
OTOH it likely should have, or do you hold UBL's family responible for
UBL's actions
You should remmeber that his family and UBL at one time worked for the
US, against the Soviets in Afganistan
> Ever think how much Bush might have invested in common with the Saudi's?
>
> OMG, this is *way* too much.
>
> Don't you love the unbalanced budget? Much better than a balanced budget
> with Clinton. What Clinton did in the Oval Office was nothing compared to
> G. W. B. and company.
I don't think the GW hired a 95k a year hooker
Nothing like presidential consistency. George Bush has racked up at least
1800, and thats only the deaths that occurred inside Iraq. And anyway Bush
was too busy playing golf to heed the warnings arising out of the foiled
plot to bomb LA to abandon his extended leave and tackle the problem prior
to 9/11. But then why would he 9/11 provided him with the perfect pretext to
attack Iraq.
--
Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
You are a moron who dosen't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
Clinton had nothing to do with UBL. Rather, George HW Bush was
up to his neck in Saudi Oil Money with Usama Bin Laden thru the 70's
and 80's. Read about it here: http://www.bushwatch.net/bushmoney.htm
LOL! Just be careful you are I don't end up thirsty for a glass full!
John
... and the japanese attacking perl harbor gave us the perfect excuse to
join in WWII ... of course, that was a good idea!
John
I think we can log that one up to somebodies imagination.
The Only bombers that have ever been at McConnell AFB are the
B 52s that they fly in to having Boeing do an upgrade or refurbish.
(Boeing and McConnell ) share a common runway. It hasnt been
much of a base for quite some time now, was there just last year.
It used to be many years ago a combination TAC and SAC base
but the SAC planes were transports and an occaisional recon plane.
Then they got rid of the TAC side of it, then the AF reorganized and
got rid of SAC. So I dont know what they have there now but it
aint much.
J
Jeff wrote:
> <cuh...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:19366-430...@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
> > I was listening to a radio talk show one night and a guest speaker said
> > his book about klintoon's Arkansas and Arizona prison blood scandal was
> > going to hit the marketplace the very next day.The next night,a lady in
> > the Wichita,Kansas area said on the air,on my radio,that she could hear
> > the Bomber Aircraft revving up and takng off and heading to
> > Yugoslavia.klintoon was wagging the dog.
> > cuhulin
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I think we can log that one up to somebodies imagination.
> The Only bombers that have ever been at McConnell AFB are the
> B 52s that they fly in to having Boeing do an upgrade or refurbish.
? See:
http://www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/McConnell_AFB.htm
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Hell I know that
No my friend it is not near Salina Ks. It is right there in
Witchita Ks. Cesna Aircraft is on one side of them and Boeing
Aircraft is on the other side of them..... Was stationed there for 2
years and lived in Witchita. Google it.
J
Never mind.
J
Why coming from you............... Thank you
J
B.H.
Oil is of no interest to you?
> > One had rumors of genocide, the other had rumors of weapons of mass
> > destruction.
>
> And those rumors of genocide were found to be true. The mass graves confirm
> that.
Mass graves were found in Iraq.
> > One had Haliburton as a no-bid contractor with lots of cost overruns,
> > the other had Haliburton as a no-bid contractor with lots of cost
> > overruns.
> >
> > One allowed the country to fragment into four or more independant
> > states, the other is trying to hold together several diverse states.
> >
> > One invasion of no national interest was applauded by the the left, the
> > other of vital interest.... is condemned.
>
> The one with no vital interest had wide support across many countries.
"Many countries" should have invaded. As it was, the Russians got in
the game late by taking an airfield out from under our noses. Gen
Clark wanted to start WWIII over it.
The
> one with the vital interest (oil) had a couple of countries (of meaning)
> supporting it.
The USA will know who to support in the future.
What of Iraq? Should it fragment?
IMO Yes Iraq should break into 2 if not three states
I know why the US opposes it since of those states the Kurdish nroth
would likely redouble thier efforts to bring their fellows kruds in
turkey and Iran in the thier new state and that is a Can of worms that
the US is afraid to allow opened
> ...would likely redouble thier efforts to bring their fellows kruds...
Brilliant!
Dave K8MN
John
Israel being driven to a nuclear conflict with the rest of the middle east
could carry us in any direction...
John
why thank you
>
> Dave K8MN
Personal I agree with Bill Oriely in saying we fighting WW 3 right now
9/11 was merely our newest pearl harbour, and at least Japan had the
honnor to attack a military target, with military weapons
>
> Israel being driven to a nuclear conflict with the rest of the middle east
> could carry us in any direction...
>
> John
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:17:34 -0700,
> hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:
>
pruning
Yours?
> Israel being driven to a nuclear conflict with the rest of the middle east
> could carry us in any direction...
>
> John
I recall Hillary desiring a free Palistinian State and the violence
escalating (and Al Greenspan wanting to put the brakes on the economy).
I don't see her desiring a Free Shiite State, a Free Kurdish State, or
a Free Insurgent State.
The OP didn's say there weren't.
...and give my regards to the rest of the kruds.
Dave K8MN
> United States has not Declared War since December 7,1941.I was one month
> and two days old at the time.I wish I had been born about seventeen
> years earlier,I would have Joined up.
Works for me. You would have been dead by now.
woof woof
Everybody should be politically frustrated as it provides democratic
dynamism, better than being politically apathetic. As for the religious
component I am particularly comfortable in that department.
Don't see how your comments follow but thats a matter for you.
--
Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
Pearl Harbour was an act of aggression by a sovereign state, 9/11 was an act
of terrorism, defeating terrorism requires a different approach to defeating
a sovereign state, which is why the British didn't invade Eire because of
the IRA, and goes some way to showing how co-operation and pragmatism led to
the disarmament of the IRA.
Which also incidentally shows what a wanker Tony Blair is as he knows very
well the current approach to Islamic terrorism is not the way to end
terrorist activity.
--
Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
>
> John
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:23:34 +0000, Osric wrote:
>
> >
> > Concerned citizen <c...@lar.ge> wrote in message
> > news:430100b1$0$16207$bb4e...@newscene.com...
> >> Dear Bill Clinton,
> >>
> >> Why didn't you round up the terrorists when you had a chance? You hate
> >> America? You like watching innocent americans die?
> >>
> >
> > Nothing like presidential consistency. George Bush has racked up at
least
> > 1800, and thats only the deaths that occurred inside Iraq. And anyway
Bush
> > was too busy playing golf to heed the warnings arising out of the foiled
> > plot to bomb LA to abandon his extended leave and tackle the problem
prior
> > to 9/11. But then why would he 9/11 provided him with the perfect
pretext to
> > attack Iraq.
When we fought the british to secure america for the citizens here, we
became the original terrorists.
The british would march out on to the field to battle for honor and glory,
we would hide in the bushes and pick them off like vermin. Surprise
attacks were our specialty.
We should be darn prepared to go toe-to-toe with the tactics the
terrorists throw at us now. We get need a while to get sick and tired of
their tactics, then move to crush them for being the uncivilized dangerous
animals they are...
Nothing is guaranteed in this world, except their are brave hearts and
cowards, this is just time to separate those two...
John
when we fought the Brits we did not become the origanl terroists There
were terroist long before us In History, Gengis Khan for example the
Jewish revolts including the "Great Revolt" of ad 70 and Bar Kochba
revolt of ad 135
The term ''terrorist'' is relative. The Colonists did not invent the
ambush.