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IBOCcrock

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Jan 28, 2008, 5:37:48 PM1/28/08
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"Germany flicks off-switch on DAB"

"Part of the problem is that analogue FM never went away and most
people didn't seem to care for the clear digital-quality sound, and
were left nonplussed by such benefits as easy tuning and message
displays with song names and titles. DAB is struggling almost
everywhere in Europe. The standard never really succeeded in Europe
except in Denmark and the UK, where this year the upgraded DAB+ format
will be launched (including podcast services)."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/28/germany_switches_dab_off/

"Two digital radio stations to close" UK

"Digital radio will suffer a double blow this weekend with the closure
of two national digital stations, Oneword and Core. GCap Media's music
station Core is expected to close tomorrow, while UBC's spoken word
outfit Oneword, whose future has long been in doubt, will cease
broadcasting on Saturday. Both stations were broadcast via digital
audio broadcasting (DAB) on Digital One, the national digital radio
multiplex majority-owned by GCap. In a dramatic scaling back of GCap's
digital offerings, its digital music station Life is also set to close
while its chillout station, Chill, has been removed from the Sky
Digital platform."

http://tinyurl.com/2coldb

"Digital Radio in Canada"

"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition.
Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only
operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once
operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold,
and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six
cities where it exists."

http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com/2006/12/digital-radio-in-canada.html

"Straining to hear digital radio - Europe has a head start in
terrestrial digital radio, but is anybody listening?"

"But today, digital radio is struggling to find its legs. While it's
still in the cradle in the United States, it has begun to crawl, a
bit, in Europe and elsewhere... Europe has had a standard for digital
radio for some time. The European Union adopted the standard, called
Eureka 147, 10 years ago. But high prices and a lack of consumer
interest have kept the market tiny."

http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA266524&ref=nbra

"Annual DAB sales 50% below forecast"

"The following graphs are copied from the DRDB's (Digital Radio
Development Bureau -- UK DAB's marketing and PR arm) sales forecast
documents from 2004 and 2007, and they show that the forecast sales
for 2008 are a massive 50% below what the DRDB had previously forecast
they would be for 2008, and the cumulative sales will be 18% below
previously forecast by the end of this year and 30% below what they
had previously forecast by the end of next year."

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/articles/Annual-DAB-sales-50-below-forecast.php

LMFAO iBiquity, Eduardo!

Rfburns

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Jan 29, 2008, 12:25:37 AM1/29/08
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"Germany will end Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) next year after a
ten years experiment. Public radio stations demanded another EURO 180m to
keep it going, but the independent commission responsible for the
allocation of licence fees says it is over.

DAB has been under development since 1981, and Germany was the first
country in Europe to start test transmissions. However, the technology
never caught on - only a couple of public and regional radio stations
participated in experiments and 200,000 digital receivers were sold."

I love it!

jw

Brenda Ann

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Jan 29, 2008, 1:54:27 AM1/29/08
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"Rfburns" <jimwi...@labs.net> wrote in message
news:cc5cbb36-a06d-4d6f...@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

Sounds like the sign of global digi-ennui...

RHF

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Jan 29, 2008, 8:33:20 AM1/29/08
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> http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com/2006/12/digital-radio-in-canada....

>
> "Straining to hear digital radio - Europe has a head start in
> terrestrial digital radio, but is anybody listening?"
>
> "But today, digital radio is struggling to find its legs. While it's
> still in the cradle in the United States, it has begun to crawl, a
> bit, in Europe and elsewhere... Europe has had a standard for digital
> radio for some time. The European Union adopted the standard, called
> Eureka 147, 10 years ago. But high prices and a lack of consumer
> interest have kept the market tiny."
>
> http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA266524&ref=nbra
>
> "Annual DAB sales 50% below forecast"
>
> "The following graphs are copied from the DRDB's (Digital Radio
> Development Bureau -- UK DAB's marketing and PR arm) sales forecast
> documents from 2004 and 2007, and they show that the forecast sales
> for 2008 are a massive 50% below what the DRDB had previously forecast
> they would be for 2008, and the cumulative sales will be 18% below
> previously forecast by the end of this year and 30% below what they
> had previously forecast by the end of next year."
>
> http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/articles/Annual-DAB-sales-50-below-...
>
> LMFAO iBiquity, Eduardo!

This is Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting
using the Eureka 147 Standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_radio

BBC -Info- DAB & Eureka 147 {174 MHz ~ 240 MHz}
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/papers/paper_21/paper_21.shtml
WORLD DAB ORG - http://www.worlddab.org/
DAB Ensembles Worldwide - http://www.wohnort.org/
http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/index.html
Latest DAB Updates and News

I B OC'Deed and Half-Crocked,

I predict that within 10 Years Europe will go IBOC.

it is a vision thing ~ RHF
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IBOCcrock

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Jan 29, 2008, 12:36:03 PM1/29/08
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> This is Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting
> using the Eureka 147 Standard.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_radio

>
> BBC -Info- DAB & Eureka 147 {174 MHz ~ 240 MHz}http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/papers/paper_21/paper_21.shtml
> WORLD DAB ORG -http://www.worlddab.org/
> DAB Ensembles Worldwide -http://www.wohnort.org/http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/index.html

> Latest DAB Updates and News
>
> I B OC'Deed and Half-Crocked,
>
> I predict that within 10 Years Europe will go IBOC.
>
> it is a vision thing ~ RHF
> .
> -ps- Telamon be sure to Count this as another
> one of my 'Clueless Posts' -cause- IT IS ! ;-{
> Plus Extra Credit for the : Cut, Copy and Paste Stuff. :o)
> .- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Digital radio is going dark. There is virtually no interest in IBOC in
Europe, not that it make any difference now:

"IBOC TECHNOLOGY: An Assessment of Technical & Operational Issues in
the Canadian FM Radio Environment"

"Based on the evidence currently in hand, the DRCG considers that it
would be risky for Canadian broadcasters to proceed at this time with
an unrestricted roll-out of HD Radio services in the FM band, in the
manner implemented in the US. There is no ground-swell of radio
listener interest in this technology so far and the lack of
inexpensive receivers, as well as unique new programming services,
continues to make it difficult to market HD Radio to the public in the
US. Moreover, there is no evidence that Canadian digital radio
listeners are being lost to the 10% of US FM stations that have
implemented HD Radio to date."

http://www.cab-acr.ca/english/radio/dab/DRCG_Report_final.pdf

"Digital radio in Canada"

"The only comprehensive technical comments came from the CBC. They
stated that AM-IBOC would create a serious degradation in sound
quality for existing AM stations (*all* AM stations, not just the ones
adopting IBOC). They also state that due to interference concerns,
IBOC transmission at night is not practical."

http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com/2006/12/digital-radio-in-canada.html

"German State Media Authority Assessement of HD/IBOC"

"HD-RadioTM has been standardized for the US market and does not
comply with the transmitter mask defined for ITU Region 1. Therefore,
regular use in Germany is formally impossible. Technically spoken, HD-
RadioTM is principally compatible with the VHF FM broadcasting
scenario, whereby interference occurs right in the 200 kHz frequency
offset."

http://tinyurl.com/youkll

"World's first DRM+ broadcasts go on-air in Germany"

"The world's first ever DRM+ broadcastes have gone on-air in the FM
band in Germany, and it is reported that the DRM+ system will be
standardised next year. It is also reported that there will be trials
of the US-based HD Radio system in the FM band in Germany as well,
although I've seen another German report which said that the HD Radio
system failed to meet the interference criteria for transmitting in
the FM band -- i.e. HD Radio stations would interfere too much with
existing FM stations -- so whether HD Radio stands a chance of being
used I don't know, but I would doubt it. The European receiver
manufacturers certainly wouldn't be keen on supporting yet another
standard if they can help it due to the additional licensing costs
that would be incurred, and the fact that HD Radio is a proprietary
system wouldn't help matters. Also, HD Radio only has a very limited
amount of support -- just the odd radio station in a few countries --
so I can't personally see how it stands a chance of building up the
momentum required to compete against DAB+, as that has a lot of
support from around the world."

http://tinyurl.com/2nojbu

"European HD Radio examined"

"When IBOC was first proposed for digital radio the European radio
technology industry criticised it on the ground that it was unstable
and prone to interference. Another objection was that the patents are
owned by a single company, which charges fees for use... HD Radio is
similar but the fees come to one company. We're using a different
licensing scheme in Europe, with broadcasters contacting manufacturers
direct and not paying an on-going fee. HD Radio is not seen as a
replacement for DAB or DRM but an alternative that could work for some
European radio stations. A spokeswoman for the UK's Digital Radio
Development Board said that everybody is looking at everything,
although there is currently no apparent interest in the country for HD
Radio."

http://tinyurl.com/3dd92d

What a fucking shame!

RHF

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Jan 29, 2008, 2:37:44 PM1/29/08
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I B O C"Deed and Half-Crocked,

Just like XM & SIRIUS Satellite "DAB" Broadcasting where the
Canadian Radio Stations {Broacasters} and Canadian Government
found out that the Canadian People were in-fact Listening to these
two DAB Satellite Systems : The Canadian Business Interests
and the Canadian Government both wanted a piece of the
Profits to be made in Canada. Hence, XM & SIRIUS Satellite
"DAB" Broadcasting has been authorized for Canada with some
added Canadian Content.

Geographic Reality : About Three-Quarters (75%) of Canada's
Population lives within 150 kilometres (90 Miles) of the US Border.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Demographics
Which puts the majority of Canada's Population within the Service
Contours of many US Border AM & FM Radio Stations.
Over the next Decade {10 Years} more and more Canadians will
be exposed to AM & FM "HD" Radio using the IBOC Technology.
Over time many Canadians will buy a "HD" Radio to hear 'those'
American Radio Stations that they currently like to listen to.
At some point-in-time it will become in the Economic Interest
of both Canadian Broadcasting Businesses and the Canadian
Government to 'transition' to "HD" Radio using IBOC Technology.

HD Radio : It Is Not A Question of "IF" - It Is A Question of "WHEN"
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/231d18d3b0b4f423
Time and the Next Generation of AM & FM Radio Listeners is
on the side of "HD" Radio using IBOC Technology in the USA
and eventually in Canada. Can Europe Be Far Behind ?


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it's a 'vision' thing - hy dee ray dee oh ~ RHF
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HD RADIO => http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
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> http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com/2006/12/digital-radio-in-canada....

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D Peter Maus

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Jan 29, 2008, 3:08:54 PM1/29/08
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As I've said, this technology may fail, but it's not going to go
away anytime soon. There's too much money invested now to just abandon
it, two years in. Even DAB in Germany tested for a decade. And Radio is
terribly tenacious when it comes to what it thinks needs to happen.

It will take a LOOONGGG time for IBOC to go away. Even if it's an
abject failure. And then, there is the FCC mandate that all future
modulation schemes be DIGITAL.

They may be denying it now, but they denied it with HD TV, too, and
then mandated an end to analog TV broadcasting anyway.

There is no reason, especially with conditional access under test
right now, to believe that the current hybrid digital/analog system of
broadcast will be allowed to remain in place indefinitely.

Eventually, as the chairman of iBiquity said, it will be an all
digital system.

RHF

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Jan 29, 2008, 8:03:31 PM1/29/08
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> digital system.- Hide quoted text -

>
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DPM,

Any "Conditional Access" AM & FM "HD" Radio Technology
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/bfe9a7567959963d
that can be marketed to Consumers of Over-the-Air Radio
that sells to the Listener for 1/4 to a 1/3 of what XM and
SIRIUS Satellite DAB Radio currently sells for will be a
Success.

1 - XM and SIRIUS Satellite DAB Radio had no established
Listener Base and had to Build One from nothing.

On the Minus-Side - XM and SIRIUS Satellite DAB Radio
charge a Premium Price for their Product/Service.

2 - Currently "Free" Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio have an
Established Listener Base of 200 Million from which Build On.

On the Plus-Side - "Conditional Access" AM & FM "HD" Radio
because of the Size of it's potential Listenership can Be the
"Low Price" [Value] Deal for Buyers of Digital Radio Services.

David

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Jan 30, 2008, 8:50:31 AM1/30/08
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Radio will be for the rich only. The poor can twist in the wind. The
middle-class will have been long vanished.

RHF

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Jan 30, 2008, 11:24:15 AM1/30/08
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-
- Radio will be for the rich only.
- The poor can twist in the wind.
- The middle-class will have been long vanished.
-

David - Your's is such a Depressing and Gloomy World :
You Must Theme-Out On M.A.S.H. !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICiFnQrHOrk&feature=related
http://www.geocities.com/bjaes.geo/lyrics/mash.htm
That Something Extra - http://www.qsl.net/w5www/gloomy.html

While as for Me : What I Hear on the Free Over-the-Air Radio
Imspires me to go forth and have an Oh Happy Day -ptl- ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGvCAewCW2c
'Oh, Happy Day' -sung by- Ray Charles

David - Alas in Life there are many 'Things' that You
can not change so . . . Don't Worry Be Happy !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9K4BKkLaCI
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