New Grundig Satellite 750 !!!
SW4ever
receiver. Looks interesting. 1000 memories A/C. AM, FM,SW and SSB.
k9kz
"SW4ever" <Eth...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Universal Radio and Eton's website display the Grundig Satellite 750
> receiver. Looks interesting. 1000 memories A/C. AM, FM,SW and SSB.
It certainly does look interesting. I'm wondering what the tuning resolution
is though. I hope it's better than the SAT 800's 50 Hz.
Radioguy
> "SW4ever" <Ethe...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
The display appears to resolve only 1khz which isn't enough for ssb.
Steve
It could be that there's fine tuning available that simply isn't
reflected on the display.
Radioguy
Sure hope so. 100hz would be a minimum.
k9kz
"Radioguy" <hjs...@cs.com> wrote in message
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100 Hz would be a disaster IMO for SSB.
Radioguy
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100hz in my experience delivers listenable if not perfect audio for
voice ssb. Two radios i'm familiar with, the Sony 2010 and Panasonic
RF B600 both used that resolution and both were perfectly capable of
producing good sounding ham and other voice ssb signals. 10hz or 1 hz
would allow selectable sideband listening to AM broadcasts, but my
guess is that this radio will not have that level of tuning
resolution.
k9kz
"Radioguy" <hjs...@cs.com> wrote in message news:ad5939d5-2f77-4047-8051-
> Sure hope so. 100hz would be a minimum.
>
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100hz in my experience delivers listenable if not perfect audio for
voice ssb. Two radios i'm familiar with, the Sony 2010 and Panasonic
RF B600 both used that resolution and both were perfectly capable of
producing good sounding ham and other voice ssb signals. 10hz or 1 hz
would allow selectable sideband listening to AM broadcasts, but my
guess is that this radio will not have that level of tuning
resolution.
Perfect for SSB??? You're kidding right? Listenable at best.
RHF
GEFGW ~ RHF
.
Radioguy
Reread and discover that I said ...."if not perfect".... Focus on the
word "not".
D Peter Maus
If you look at the pictures carefully, you'll see in the lower left
corner of the fascia, a variable pitch BFO control.
Zero beat is possible without single Hz resolution.
Radioguy
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Possibly the 2000 differs from the DX750, but I don't see a BFO in
this picture. Lower left shows a Bass control. There is a USB/LSB
button which I assume switches between modes.
D Peter Maus
Sorry about that...lower right.
Radioguy
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We must be looking at different radios because lower right on the unit
I listed shows a squelch control. Maybe there is a difference between
the domestic and export models.
D Peter Maus
The picture you're looking at doesn't go low enough.
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
Yeah, sure looks like it says 'SSB BFO'
RHF
> Radioguy wrote:
> > On Jan 10, 2:29 pm, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> Radioguy wrote:
> >>> On Jan 10, 1:31 pm, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
- - We must be looking at different radios because lower right on the
unit
- - I listed shows a squelch control. Maybe there is a difference
between
- - the domestic and export models.
-
- The picture you're looking at doesn't go low enough.
-
- http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/etonsatellit750/
-
DPM - Yes - There is a 'difference' between the Chinese domestic
Tecsun S-2000 Radio and the re-badged Grundig Satellit 750 Radio.
Clear 'Differences' Between the Tecsun S-2000 Radio
-and- Grundig Satellit 750 Radio
The Chinese 'domestic' Tecsun S-2000 Radio
http://hkradioer.googlepages.com/s200l
has Three Controls on bottom-right-front :
* RF Gain {Works for the AM/MW and Shortwave Bands ?}
* Pre-Selector {Works with the Shortwave Bands ?
* Squelch {Works for the AIR Band ?}
NOTE - The Arrangement of the Function Buttons around
the Tecsun S-2000 Radio's center-front Numeric-Key Pad
The re-badged Grundig Satellit 750 Radio for Export
http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/etonsatellit750/1000422301
has Three Controls on bottom-right-front :
* RF Gain {Works for the AM/MW and Shortwave Bands ?}
* Squelch {Works for the AIR Band ?}
* SSB BFO {Answer to the AM-Sync ? Question "NO"}
Please also note the [SSB] Button with USB/LSB
http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/etonsatellit750/1000422293
? Question - Is the simply Single-Side-Band (SSB) to be used
in conjuction with the SSB BFO Control -or- Is this a Selectable
SSB Button with a USB and LSB feature ?
NOTE - The Different Arrangement of the Function Buttons around
the Grundig Satellit 750 Radio's center-front Numeric-Key Pad
http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/etonsatellit750/1000422293
RANT # 1 - With Scanners - Who Needs the AIR Band in a
Shortwave Radio ? - RANT # 2 - Who Wants The AIR Band ?
IMHO - The 'better' designed Grundig Satellit 750 Radio would
http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/etonsatellit750/1000422341
have had Three Controls on bottom-right-front :
* RF Gain {Works for the AM/MW and Shortwave Bands ?}
* Pre-Selector {Works with the Shortwave Bands ?}
* SSB BFO {Answer to the AM-Sync Question "NO"}
the devil is in the details ~ RHF
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D Peter Maus
David
As long as the intermod product is below the passband.
Radioguy
> On Jan 10, 11:50 am, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:> Radioguy wrote:
> > > On Jan 10, 2:29 pm, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > >> Radioguy wrote:
> > >>> On Jan 10, 1:31 pm, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> - -
> - - We must be looking at different radios because lower right on the
> unit
> - - I listed shows a squelch control. Maybe there is a difference
> between
> - - the domestic and export models.
> -
> - The picture you're looking at doesn't go low enough.
> -
> -
>
> DPM - Yes - There is a 'difference' between the Chinese domestic
> Tecsun S-2000 Radio and the re-badged Grundig Satellit 750 Radio.
>
> Clear 'Differences' Between the Tecsun S-2000 Radio
> -and- Grundig Satellit 750 Radio
>
> has Three Controls on bottom-right-front :
> * RF Gain {Works for the AM/MW and Shortwave Bands ?}
> * Pre-Selector {Works with the Shortwave Bands ?
> * Squelch {Works for the AIR Band ?}
>
> NOTE - The Arrangement of the Function Buttons around
> the Tecsun S-2000 Radio's center-front Numeric-Key Pad
>
> has Three Controls on bottom-right-front :
> * RF Gain {Works for the AM/MW and Shortwave Bands ?}
> * Squelch {Works for the AIR Band ?}
> * SSB BFO {Answer to the AM-Sync ? Question "NO"}
>
> ? Question - Is the simply Single-Side-Band (SSB) to be used
> in conjuction with the SSB BFO Control -or- Is this a Selectable
> SSB Button with a USB and LSB feature ?
>
> NOTE - The Different Arrangement of the Function Buttons around
>
> RANT # 1 - With Scanners - Who Needs the AIR Band in a
> Shortwave Radio ? - RANT # 2 - Who Wants The AIR Band ?
> have had Three Controls on bottom-right-front :
> * RF Gain {Works for the AM/MW and Shortwave Bands ?}
> * Pre-Selector {Works with the Shortwave Bands ?}
> * SSB BFO {Answer to the AM-Sync Question "NO"}
>
> the devil is in the details ~ RHF
> .
Thanks for clearing that up. I kinda figured he was looking at another
picture and not the one I posted.
So for purchasers of the domestic version they get ssb capability but
no bfo? Or finer tuning resolution maybe?
The air band is all but useless. I would trade it for true usb and
lsb and finer tuning resolution. Now that the devil has shown himself
in the details it is clear there are way too many unanswered questions
about either the domestic or export version of this radio to get very
excited.
Brenda Ann
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, sure looks like it says 'SSB BFO'
>
>
I see the issue.
In RadioGuy's link, the radio has, from top to bottom,
RF Gain
Preselector
Squelch
In Peter's, the Eton has
RF Gain
Squelch
SSB BFO
Two different radios.
Radioguy
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How much lower than the bottom of the radio do you want to go?
RHF
- The air band is all but useless.
I would agree especially when you can only tune-in
one Frequency at a time. Most scanners will do a
much better job by covering several Frequencies.
- I would trade it for true usb and lsb and finer tuning resolution.
Me Too !
- Now that the devil has shown himself in the details it is
- clear there are way too many unanswered questions
- about either the domestic or export version of this radio
- to get very excited.
Well the Grundig Satellit 750 Radio is most likely the 'major'
new Portable AM/FM Shortwave Radio for the North American
Consumer Market in 2008.
At the $300 Price Point and with all of it's features the Grundig
Satellit 750 Radio will be the "Got-To-Have-It" NEW Radio for
My-Radio-Shack by many Shortwave Radio Listeners in 2008.
~ RHF
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D Peter Maus
I'd kind of like to see the furniture.
wavetrapper
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ooo, don't agree there. this is the 2010's biggest design flaw I
think. 20 hz I think is about the minimum. Why Sony did not put a
fine tune control on that radio is a mystery. I can't listen to SSB
on that radio.
Bill...@gmail.com
> ooo, don't agree there. this is the 2010's biggest design flaw I
> think. 20 hz I think is about the minimum. Why Sony did not put a
> fine tune control on that radio is a mystery. I can't listen to SSB
> on that radio.
That's one of the real oddities IMO. The Sony 2001 had fine tuning and
then the 2010 didn't. I agree absolutely, 20 Hz minimum!
Radioguy
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> > How much lower than the bottom of the radio do you want to go?
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You can in the high-res picture.
slave...@gmail.com
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> You can in the high-res picture.
It is not necessary 20 hz or 50 hz, a good ear is needed, you never
listen or did contest's with receiver to lamps and with the BFO moving
along in the dial?
k9kz
<slave...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:198a84df-3695-4668-8df6-
> It is not necessary 20 hz or 50 hz, a good ear is needed, you never
> listen or did contest's with receiver to lamps and with the BFO moving
> along in the dial?
Maybe not "necessary" but certainly MUCH more pleasant. Unless someone
simply can't hear well enough to tell the difference.
Radioguy
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> > > > How much lower than the bottom of the radio do you want to go?
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> > You can in the high-res picture.
>
> It is not necessary 20 hz or 50 hz, a good ear is needed, you never
> listen or did contest's with receiver to lamps and with the BFO moving
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The export version of that radio has a bfo while the domestic version
does not. For the one without a bfo fine tuning well below 1khz will
be a requirement for resolving ssb signals.
slave...@gmail.com
Maybe be important 20 hz, I not sure, I initiate in the hobby in the
year 84' with a receiver hammarlund HQ-120, I like to play with the
knobs, clarify the HAM's stations with the bfo, I have a receiver JRC
525 and Kenwood R-5000 but I like more to take the HQ-180 hi, hi, this
receiver seems to be better than Satellite 800, that I do not have
doubts the 800 enter in this box of 750, for 300 dollars it is a good
price, and if listens better that the Sangean 909 is great. 73 to all