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Macman

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May 12, 2003, 9:37:20 PM5/12/03
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And this is a shortwave topic in what way???


"Stagger Lee" <De...@Delions.bar> wrote in message
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> Bush Legacy: A Tradition of Selling Out America for Family Gain
> Hitler's Angel
>
> Many of the great houses of American industry and finance had very dirty
> hands when it came to dealing with the Nazis. General Motors, IBM,
Standard
> Oil and many others have had their sorted dealings with the enemies of the
> United States aired in public forums. However, one criminal has had little
> exposure - Prescott Bush, father and grandfather to two occupants of the
> Whitehouse.
>
> The story of Prescott Bush and his association with the Nazis begins just
> before the end of World War I with the dealings of the German
industrialist
> family of Thyssen. As German hopes for victory sank into the mud filled
> trenches of the western front, August Thyssen, known as the "Rockefeller
of
> the Rhur" opened the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart in Rotterdam, placing
> his son Fritz at its head. The bank, being in neutral Holland, was an
> excellent place to hide his vast wealth as the Imperial Germany
> disintegrated. Meanwhile, his other son, Heinrich, married into Hungarian
> nobility and changed his name to Barron Thyssen Bornemisza de Kaszon.
>
> After the war, Avrell Harriman, son of the rail baron E. H. Harriman, and
> his partner George Herbert Walker, was busy setting up their own
> international banking network. In 1922, Harriman met with Fritz Thyssen
and
> agreed to set up banking interests for him in the states. By 1924, the
Union
> Banking Corporation was born.
>
> Meanwhile, back in Germany, the crippling effects of the war and the harsh
> conditions inflicted on the German economy due to the Versailles Treaty
were
> causing widespread unrest. One of the players in this unrest was, of
course,
> Adolph Hitler. Fritz Thyssen became an ardent follower of Hitler,
> embarrassing the ideas of the Nazis, especially his anti-union, anti-labor
> views. He provided Hitler with his first infusion of cash. Several German
> industrialists followed Thyssen's lead and also donated to the Nazis.
After
> the failed "Beer Hall Putsch" in 1923, many gave up on Hitler, but not
> Thyssen.
>
> The late 1920's saw a boom in the German economy. August Thyssen died,
> leaving his son Fritz in control of their vast holdings. Thyssen merged
his
> steel operations with Flick who owned many coal and steel interests
> throughout Germany and Poland, forming United Steel Works (USW). Walker
and
> Harriman meanwhile sold $50,000,000 in German bonds to bankroll the
> Thyssen/Flick Empire.
>
> It was at this time that the young Prescott Bush entered the picture.
Walker
> hired his new son-in-law to run the American side USW. Prescott was a hard
> worker and helped everyone involved make a great deal of money.
>
> Then 1929 came. World financial markets crumbled to dust. However, the
> plutocrats -, Thyssen, Harriman and Flick maintained their empires. With
the
> ever-deepening desperation setting into the mindset of the German public,
> Hitler's maniacal rants became more popular. Thyssen joined the Nazis and
> bankrolled their rise to power. By 1932, despite loosing 35 seats in
> parliament in the national election, the Nazis were able to broker a power
> sharing deal. By 1934 Hitler was the dictator of Germany.
>
> Hitler wanted to see the rebirth of Germany. He began a massive campaign
to
> build the autobahn and rebuild his military. All of this needed steel,
steel
> which Thyssen and Flick controlled. Profits for the Bank voor Handel en
> Scheepvaart and the Union Banking Corporation soared. Prescott Bush became
> managing director of Union Banking Corporation and personally ran the
German
> end of the business.
>
> However, all was not rosy for the gang. The Polish government was growing
> weary of Flick's operations in Poland and threatening to take over the
> businesses claiming fraudulent bookkeeping, securities fraud, tax evasion
> and excessive borrowing. The conflict with the Polish government ended
when
> Hitler invaded, destroying that nation and, starting World War II in
Europe.
>
> Thyssen and Flick's Polish steel interests were centered at Oswiecim in
the
> heart of a vast coal and steel-producing region. After Hitler's takeover,
he
> decided to place a forced labor camp in the area in order to exploit the
> resource rich state. That camp became Auschwitz.
>
> Thyssen and Flick, fearing a repeat of the collapse of Germany after WWI,
> bailed out, selling their Polish interests to Union Banking Corporation
and
> fleeing Germany. As it turned out, Fritz and his brother Heinrich had made
> similar slights of hand between these banks and a third bank - The August
> Thyssen Bank of Berlin - many times, perpetrating a series of tax and
> securities frauds. Whenever there was a threat to the Thyssen Empire, the
> brothers would collude to hide their assets. In this case, Harriman became
> the controlling interest and Bush managed the former Polish enterprises,
all
> of which were supplied labor from the camps at Auschwitz.
>
> On December 13, 1941, six days after the attack at Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt
> signed the "Trading With the Enemy Act". This act banned business dealings
> the enemies of the United States. Prescott Bush ignored this and continued
> to do business with the Nazis.
>
> Prescott's dreams of riches began to crumble in the summer of 1942. The
New
> York Tribune had discovered and written on the Bush-Thyssen connection.
The
> Tribune hung the moniker of "Hitler's Angel" on Bush. On October 20, 1942,
> after investigation by the US government, Vesting Order 248 was executed.
> The order stated.
>
> Under the authority of the Trading with the enemy Act, as amended, and
> pursuant to law, the undersigned, after investigation, finding:
>
> (a) That the property described as follows:
>
> All of the capital stock of Union Banking Corporation, a New York
> corporation, New York, New York, .[identifying E. Roland Harriman,
Cornelius
> Lievense, Harold D. Pennington, Ray Morris, Prescott S. Bush, H.J.
> Kouwenhoven and Johann G. Groeninger as shareholders] .
>
> all of which shares are held the benefit of Bank voor Handel en
> Scheepvaart, N.V., Rotterdam, The Netherlands, which bank is owned or
> controlled by members of the Thyssen family, nationals of German and/or
> Hungary .
>
> (b) That the property described as follows .is an interest in the
aforesaid
> business enterprise held by nationals of an enemy country or countries,
and
> also is property within the United States owned or controlled by nationals
> of a designated enemy country. deemed it necessary in the national
interest,
> hereby vests such property in the Alien Property Custodian, to be held,
> used, administered, liquidated, sold or otherwise dealt with in the
interest
> of and for the benefit of the United States..
>
> With that, Prescott Bush lost his power in the Union Banking Corporation.
> Bush resigned as managing director in 1943, but still retained his stock
> interests. For the remainder of the war, he engaged in fund raising
> activities and became the founder of the United Services Organizations
> (USO).
>
> But the story, and the audacity, of Prescott Bush do not end here. For
that,
> we must return to Fritz Thyssen.
>
> After Holland was overrun in 1940, Hitler's auditors investigated the Bank
> voor Handel en Scheepvaart. Hitler was after Fritz Thyssen's fortune,
which
> had been transferred to the Netherlands after he fled Germany in 1939.
> Transfer of funds outside the Reich was illegal. However, no evidence was
> found in Rotterdam and Hitler imprisoned his one-time benefactor for the
> duration of the war. Unknown to Hitler, Thyssen had transferred his
family's
> assets to his brother Heinrich in Hungary.
>
> As the war ground on and German hopes faded, Thyssen planned to transfer
his
> empire back to "neutral" Rotterdam as in German and the Soviet bloc would
> not be recoverable. The only hitch in the plan was that the August Thyssen
> Bank of Berlin was destroyed in the war and the vault with all the Thyssen
> family papers were buried under a mountain of rubble. But the enterprising
> Thyssen brothers got Dutch authorities to dig up the vault and bring it
back
> to The Netherlands.
>
> Despite being held and interrogated by the Allies, Fritz Thyssen never
told
> the authorities where his fortune was hidden and ultimately he was
released
> from prison. He died in Argentina in 1951. Upon his death, the Alien
> Property Custodian released the assets of the Union Banking Corporation.
The
> principles cashed out and the UBC was no more.
>
> Prescott Bush received $750,000 for his share of Union Banking
Corporation,
> a princely sum in 1951, but nothing compared to the millions the Thyssen
> family got back. Prescott used some of this Nazi cash to bankroll his son
> George Herbert Walker Bush's first business enterprise and to support his
> successful bid for Senate in 1952. The Thyssen's rebuilt their empire, and
> today, the Thyssen Group (TBG) is the largest industrial conglomerate in
> Germany.
>
> D. A. Friedrichs
>
>


RHF

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May 13, 2003, 4:47:11 AM5/13/03
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MacMan,

So... Why such a one side 'Hit Piece' about the Bush Family History
(The Evil Corrupt Republicans) and no lengthy in depth details about
"W. Avrell Harriman" a Democrat Party Member, Presidential Candidate,
Cabinet Member and Ambassador (The Good Clean Democrats).

"W. Avrell Harriman"
Yale University, New Haven, Conn. 1913 B.A.
(A Member of the "Skull & Bones" like the Bushes.)

Remember: When You Don't Tell the Whole Truth.
- - - You End Up Telling Only Half Truths and Lies [.]


Blessed by God with Life and Progressive by Nature by Living ~ RHF
[ Just an Old Retired Blue Collar Union Member - Tovarisch ]
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MJC

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May 13, 2003, 8:37:38 AM5/13/03
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This "Stagger Lee" guy is a hit and run artist and warrants not one second
of our time.
But if he really pisses you off, why not search out any of the leftist
slanted newsgroups and post counter articles?
Waste of bandwidth? Sure.
If you can't stop these guys from posting here, however, should we not piss
them off just as much?

MJC

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Larry Ozarow

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May 13, 2003, 6:47:45 PM5/13/03
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At least "Staggerlee" spelled Bush's name right.

Tad Early

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May 16, 2003, 12:44:47 PM5/16/03
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"Noel" <dev...@oisin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 May 2003 07:37:38 -0500, "MJC" <nos...@deadend.com>
wrote:

>
> >This "Stagger Lee" guy is a hit and run artist and warrants not one
second
> >of our time.
> >But if he really pisses you off, why not search out any of the
leftist
> >slanted newsgroups and post counter articles?
> >Waste of bandwidth? Sure.
> >If you can't stop these guys from posting here, however, should we
not piss
> >them off just as much?
>
> If r.r.s had stayed on topic instead of becoming a pissing-ground
for
> the far right, then you would not have Stagger Lee or his pseudonyms
> posting here.
>

Nice attempt at rationalizing with a lame "two wrongs make a right"
argument but ultimately a giant pile of horse crap. If this newsgroup
was ever a "pissing ground for the far right" (and we'll filter that
observation through your own obvious biases), it hasn't been in quite
some time, and in fact has been *relatively* on topic for at least a
couple of years. In addition, to the extent those whom *you* would
consider to be "far right" post here, they don't do it nearly to the
pathological, idiotic extent as your pal Q/Stagger Lee.


Telamon

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May 17, 2003, 12:04:51 PM5/17/03
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In article <1fv2q7a.7qgq7x11ha1ifN%p...@postmark.net>,
p...@postmark.net (pj) wrote:

<snip>

> The weird thing is that some of Stagger Lee's posts come from far right
> sources like worldnetdaily.

<snip>

Go infest some other news group where politics is the topic. You are
quoting one of the more prolific disrupters in RRS these days so this
makes it pretty evident where you are coming from.

It would not surprise me if the snap crackle and pop of your breakfast
cereal sounded like a political argument to you.

I really don't understand how you could have discourse with anyone on
anything when your active imagination tells you what anyone else has to
say.

On Usenet there is only one way to deal with your type.

<Plonk>

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Tad Early

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May 18, 2003, 12:49:58 PM5/18/03
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"pj" <p...@postmark.net> wrote in message
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> Tad Early <fenwick...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Nice attempt at rationalizing with a lame "two wrongs make a
right"
> > argument but ultimately a giant pile of horse crap.
>
> That argument is always fertilizer, as you describe it, but I hear
it
> all the time from Bushies... even worse, what was once evil is now
good.
> For instance, Bush's endless campaigning and his turning the federal
> government into his campaign piggybank is a ho-hum, but when Clinton
did
> it to a LESSER degree, folks would have veins a poppin and mouths
> foaming. Heck they still do.

>
> > In addition, to the extent those whom *you* would
> > consider to be "far right" post here, they don't do it nearly to
the
> > pathological, idiotic extent as your pal Q/Stagger Lee.
>
> The weird thing is that some of Stagger Lee's posts come from far
right
> sources like worldnetdaily. Besides, the whole right/left thing is
> worthless. People are labeled "leftists" for opposing Bush who
himself
> does lots of stuff that would be considered leftist in the classical
> sense. His energy bills are about the most anti-capitalist
legislation
> that i could imagine short of national health care. Is someone a
right
> winger or a left winger if they go for those things?
>

Fine, but you're focusing on "content." That does not have much to do
with the point I was responding to--the earlier ridiculous suggestion
the recent barrage of absurdities from Stagger Lee/Q is somehow is a
natural consequence of that poster's belief that r.r.s. formerly was a
"pissing ground for the far right." That suggestion is off the wall
on two grounds : 1) it hasn't been any such thing in recent memory,
and 2) there's no comparison between the constant and intellectually
pathetic carpet bombing of cross postings from Q/Stagger Lee and other
political discussions that have appeared here.


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