OT: Uber Rich Sow Seeds of Revolution (Long Hot summer 2011)
dave
RHF
> Machiavelli says we're going to have a civil war.
>
'Special-Dave',
Preach That Liberal Democrat Class Warfare and Hate
for Anyone : Who You Think Has More Than You !
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/class-warfare_523543.html
To Quote You 'Special-Dave' : "Eat The Rich"
-thus-making-you-'special-dave'...-
-the-main-course-on-many-someone's-menu-
'Special-Dave' to many/most Your Are The "Uber-Rich"
I will make sure that your Home is Featured on the
So-Cal Map of the "Uber-Rich" with a Five-Star *****
Rating for :
* Vast Quantity of Medical Marijuana {Free Drugs}
* HDTV Big Screen Plasma's and other High-End Electronics
* Numerous Weapons and Ammo {Your Almost Sharp Whit}
* Massive Wealth {Your Vast Right-Wing Knowledge}
* Plenty of Food and Water to Excess {You Got It : They Want It}
Yes the Revolution Is Coming 'Special-Dave' {The Oppressor}
and You May Will Be Having a Long Hot Summer of 2011...
Remember - When You Point-the-Finger at the 'other' Guy
{Uber-Rich} You have Three Pointing Back At You . . .
-and- that is something to think about ~ RHF
.
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bpnjensen
> On Apr 10, 5:53 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
> > Machiavelli says we're going to have a civil war.
>
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110408/ts_yblog_thelookout...
>
> 'Special-Dave',
>
> Preach That Liberal Democrat Class Warfare and Hate
> To Quote You 'Special-Dave' : "Eat The Rich"
> -thus-making-you-'special-dave'...-
> -the-main-course-on-many-someone's-menu-
>
> 'Special-Dave' to many/most Your Are The "Uber-Rich"
> I will make sure that your Home is Featured on the
> So-Cal Map of the "Uber-Rich" with a Five-Star *****
> Rating for :
>
> * Vast Quantity of Medical Marijuana {Free Drugs}
>
> * HDTV Big Screen Plasma's and other High-End Electronics
>
> * Numerous Weapons and Ammo {Your Almost Sharp Whit}
>
> * Massive Wealth {Your Vast Right-Wing Knowledge}
>
> * Plenty of Food and Water to Excess {You Got It : They Want It}
>
> Yes the Revolution Is Coming 'Special-Dave' {The Oppressor}
> and You May Will Be Having a Long Hot Summer of 2011...
>
> Remember - When You Point-the-Finger at the 'other' Guy
> {Uber-Rich} You have Three Pointing Back At You . . .
> -and- that is something to think about ~ RHF
> .
> .
Except - that's what every revolution is all about, ain't it? The
rich, having screwed the poor until they cannot stand it any longer,
get their just desserts.
Kevin Alfred Strom
No. People -- especially the best people -- are motivated by things
far above economics on the scale of values.
With every good wish,
Kevin.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
cuh...@webtv.net
Motors car!
http://www.drudgereport.com
Those Damn POS of Sheet B HO! cars are Falling Apart Already!
cuhulin
RHF
- Except - that's what every revolution is all about, ain't it?
...maybe... and then may be not . . .
Those that presently have "The Power" may also Control
{The Means} and therefore accumulated 'Wealth'
-wrt- The Power = Control ~ Wealth
Those that want to have "The Power" may also want Control
{The Means} and therefore want to accumulated 'Wealth'
-wrt- WANT The Power = WANT Control ~ WANT Wealth
IMHO : Wealth as a Means to and End = Control
-and- Control as a Means to and End ~ The Power
- The rich, having screwed the poor until they cannot
- stand it any longer, get their just desserts.
BpnJ - Ah... "Just Desserts" !
-connecting-the-dots-;;-}}-
"Eat The Rich" to quote 'Special-Dave' :o) ~ RHF
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dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
Could the 'rich' possibly be public sector union folks? After all, they make more than their private sector
equivalents.
And, just who are these 'poor' and why are they always poor? Aren't the 'poor' always with us, and, are there not
'poor' folks who move up to being 'rich', and, some 'rich' folks who move down to being 'poor'?
In some cases, it may just be a matter of having the clown 'tard fools who insist upon wearing their pants down to
their knees simply staying in school and actually trying to learn something.
dave
>
> No. People -- especially the best people -- are motivated by things far
> above economics on the scale of values.
>
>
Yeah, crazy-assed religious fanatics.
dave
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.drudgereport.com
What it is, ''they'' are Spying on people in Boston who are doin the
'Wild Thang!'
I am lounging on doggy's couch with my feets propped up on an old
antique folding card table, and watching Birth of a Nation old 1915
movie on TCM.Let ''them'' Spy on me, ''they'' would be Bored Sheetless!
cuhulin, Bored
m II
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On 11-04-11 02:32 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
> Except - that's what every revolution is all about, ain't it? The
> rich, having screwed the poor until they cannot stand it any longer,
> get their just desserts.
The Uber-Rich Institute for Pedantic Responses has sent me forth with
this missive:
dessert = an after meal treat
desert = an arid region, to abandon, etc
deserts = an inflection of the base verb desert, or merely two or more
deserts.
The way we Uber-Rich remember which is which is quite simple, especially
with our diets.
"Two servings of deSSert" (two Servings = two esses = food)
This is all well and fine, unless of course you MEANT 'just desserts',
as in "I've poisoned the Master's dessert, dearest. The pompous bastard
will be dead by morning. Missus RHF will surely reward us."
michael the second
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On 11-04-11 02:32 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
> Except - that's what every revolution is all about, ain't it? The
> rich, having screwed the poor until they cannot stand it any longer,
> get their just desserts.
I was going to post some crap just to see my name in lights but decided
against it, this time.
michael the third
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Kevin Alfred Strom
No. Many people value nobility, kindness, art, poetry, culture,
intelligence, creativity, Nature and a thousand other things more
highly than money -- and more highly than nonexistent saviors.
With my best,
Kevin Alfred Strom
> No wealth is created except by labor
That's highly debatable. Furthermore, what one man classes as
"wealth" another may class as a curse.
Much labor is destructive; and much leisure is highly creative.
There's so much more to life than "who gets the money." That is a
lesson that right and left both need to learn -- right before they
toss the left/right paradigm where it belongs.
Honor bright,
bpnjensen
wrote:
I still maintain that wealth (and by this I mean spendable capital,
not some touchy-feely inherent wealth thing) is not created at all,
but borrowed - or stolen - from someone else. You can't GET something
without someone else LOSING something. The idea of creating wealth is
a MYTH that Billionaires use to keep the little guy down. You cannot
name a concentration of wealth of any size, the accumulation of which
did not involve the extraction of wealth from some other source, be it
human or natural.
bpnjensen
Like you?
cuh...@webtv.net
had his monnnnnney,,,,, I could do things my wayyyyyyy,,,,,,, I had
ratherrrr be happpppy with a good hearted girrrrrl,,,,,,,
''Wealth'' is depending on how you look at ''Wealth''
cuhulin
Brenda Ann
"bpnjensen" wrote in message
news:c7b0fad4-8ce4-4b18...@e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
I still maintain that wealth (and by this I mean spendable capital,
not some touchy-feely inherent wealth thing) is not created at all,
but borrowed - or stolen - from someone else. You can't GET something
without someone else LOSING something. The idea of creating wealth is
a MYTH that Billionaires use to keep the little guy down. You cannot
name a concentration of wealth of any size, the accumulation of which
did not involve the extraction of wealth from some other source, be it
human or natural.
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Exactly. My pet peeve...
No one on this planet really "owns" anything. It's all smoke and mirrors.
Many say that ownership of land is by "right of conquest." In any other
words, this is simply theft (or, in the original case, misappropriation).
Conquest grants no inherent rights, only removes the rights of others.
The only thing anyone 'owns' is their time on Earth. We try to exchange that
with others for parts of their time in the form of labor. It's all supposed
to come out even. "Wealth" is only created because one person gives more of
their time than another (or, again, by misappropriation; i.e. the Earth's
resources belong to no one person in reality. Just because someone finds
something and says "it's mine" does not make it so (if someone finds your
wallet and says "it's mine now", does that make it so?)
Stepping down off my soapbox now..
arthr...@webtv.net
wrote:
> "bpnjensen" wrote in message
>
> news:c7b0fad4-8ce4-4b18...@e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
>
> I still maintain that wealth (and by this I mean spendable capital,
> not some touchy-feely inherent wealth thing) is not created at all,
> but borrowed - or stolen - from someone else. You can't GET something
> without someone else LOSING something. The idea of creating wealth is
> a MYTH that Billionaires use to keep the little guy down. You cannot
> name a concentration of wealth of any size, the accumulation of which
> did not involve the extraction of wealth from some other source, be it
> human or natural.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Exactly. My pet peeve...
>
> No one on this planet really "owns" anything. It's all smoke and mirrors.
>
> Many say that ownership of land is by "right of conquest." In any other
> words, this is simply theft (or, in the original case, misappropriation).
> Conquest grants no inherent rights, only removes the rights of others.
>
> The only thing anyone 'owns' is their time on Earth. We try to exchange that
> with others for parts of their time in the form of labor. It's all supposed
> to come out even. "Wealth" is only created because one person gives more of
> their time than another (or, again, by misappropriation; i.e. the Earth's
> resources belong to no one person in reality. Just because someone finds
> something and says "it's mine" does not make it so (if someone finds your
> wallet and says "it's mine now", does that make it so?)
>
> Stepping down off my soapbox now..
Money is r-O-und-- it comes and goes . . .
Kevin Alfred Strom
[...]
> The only thing anyone 'owns' is their time on Earth.
That is a deeper insight than most have advanced here.
That is why it outrages me when those who claim to speak for
"society" or "the majority" demand that my time and my loved ones'
time be spent to work for _them_ or _their_ pet causes -- with the
threat of violence and imprisonment if we do not comply.
That is why it outrages me that bankers are permitted to create
money out of nothing every time they make a "loan," thus forcing me
to spend my time working for them because every dollar is diluted by
their legalized counterfeiting.
There is a better way. It is called Social Credit.
With all good wishes,
m II
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On 11-04-11 08:22 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>> In some cases, it may just be a matter of having the clown 'tard fools who insist upon wearing their pants down to
>> their knees simply staying in school and actually trying to learn something.
>
> Like you?
I have it on good authority that his pants have been around his ankles
since his Navy days. The Admiralty developed the 'Don't ask, don't
smell' policy because of him. McLare's Navy!
mike
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Kevin Alfred Strom
> On Apr 11, 6:59 pm, Kevin Alfred Strom<kevin.st...@revilo-oliver.com>
> wrote:
>> On 4/11/2011 7:56 PM, dave wrote:
>>
>>> No wealth is created except by labor
>>
>> That's highly debatable. Furthermore, what one man classes as
>> "wealth" another may class as a curse.
>>
>> Much labor is destructive; and much leisure is highly creative.
>>
>> There's so much more to life than "who gets the money." That is a
>> lesson that right and left both need to learn -- right before they
>> toss the left/right paradigm where it belongs.
>>
>> Honor bright,
>>
>> Kevin.
>> --http://nationalvanguard.org/http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
>
> I still maintain that wealth (and by this I mean spendable capital,
> not some touchy-feely inherent wealth thing) is not created at all,
> but borrowed - or stolen - from someone else.
You've hit on a real truth here -- but it's _not_ a zero-sum game as
you seem to be saying. See below.
"Spendable capital," i.e., money, _is_ created. And, contrary to
what the neocons say, only a small percentage is created by the
government. The vast majority is created by private banks. And
private banks are the _only_ entity allowed to create money out of
nothing. Which is exactly what they do every time they make a "loan."
Thus, we must all work for them, since their money-creation charade
results in huge interest payments to them for doing essentially
nothing, and every dollar they create out of thin air dilutes every
widow's and pensioner's and investor's dollar. Keeping us in debt
and working for them forever -- as taxpayers, as homeowners, as
investors, as businessmen -- is their goal. That is theft, as you say.
_That_ is how the system really works, and the money-men fund phony
political parties and media empires that hide that fact and --
barely suppressing a smirk -- hold out mirages like Faux-News-style
"free enterprise" and Marxian or FDR-type "socialism" which don't
even address the fundamental problem as dead-end diversions for
their slaves.
> You can't GET something
> without someone else LOSING something. The idea of creating wealth is
> a MYTH that Billionaires use to keep the little guy down. You cannot
> name a concentration of wealth of any size, the accumulation of which
> did not involve the extraction of wealth from some other source, be it
> human or natural.
That part of your post isn't true.
People create real benefits, real beauty, real time-savers, real
discoveries, and real values that others recognize and gladly pay
for -- and which constitute real new wealth -- all the time. It's
not a zero-sum game. Someday someone may discover a way to send
Nature's silver seed to take root on another world beyond the known,
so Life as we know it may transcend the fate of this increasingly
crowded and filthy sphere. What wealth -- wealth that never existed
before -- _that_ would constitute!
Esse quam videre,
Kevin Alfred Strom.
bpnjensen
Kevin, you and I will have to disagree on this. It is a zero-sum game
- it only depends on how you define the outcome. Benefits, beauty,
discoveries - all took blood, sweat and tears, all took resources, and
all cost somebody something in order for them to be of value.
Somebody else must still give up something to their "creators" to get
the further benefit. Otherwise, they are just the "touchy-feely"
thing I alluded to earlier.
Not that I have anything against considering the value of beauty and
knowledge - I place a very high value on it - but to acquire it, I
must give up something of value in return, and if I create or extract
it, I must charge somebody something to derive material benefit from
it. Beethoven's music did him no good unless he could sell it, and
that would have been a transfer of wealth, in which somebody else gave
up actual capital he had earned or stolen elsewhere.
Bruce Jensen
D. Peter Maus
Life is not a zero sum game. My success, for instance, does not
come at someone else's expense.
D. Peter Maus
> Not that I have anything against considering the value of beauty and
> knowledge - I place a very high value on it - but to acquire it, I
> must give up something of value in return, and if I create or extract
> it, I must charge somebody something to derive material benefit from
> it. Beethoven's music did him no good unless he could sell it, and
> that would have been a transfer of wealth, in which somebody else gave
> up actual capital he had earned or stolen elsewhere.
>
> Bruce Jensen
That is, then, not stealing, or loss, but voluntary exchange. You
exchange what you value less for what you value more.
That, by definition, is not zero-sum.
Kevin Alfred Strom
[...]
>
> Kevin, you and I will have to disagree on this. It is a zero-sum game
> - it only depends on how you define the outcome. Benefits, beauty,
> discoveries - all took blood, sweat and tears, all took resources, and
> all cost somebody something in order for them to be of value.
> Somebody else must still give up something to their "creators" to get
> the further benefit. Otherwise, they are just the "touchy-feely"
> thing I alluded to earlier.
>
> Not that I have anything against considering the value of beauty and
> knowledge - I place a very high value on it - but to acquire it, I
> must give up something of value in return, and if I create or extract
> it, I must charge somebody something to derive material benefit from
> it. Beethoven's music did him no good unless he could sell it, and
> that would have been a transfer of wealth, in which somebody else gave
> up actual capital he had earned or stolen elsewhere.
>
> Bruce Jensen
Of course everything has a price, in time or gold or annoyance or in
alternatives passed up. That's an inevitable truth of Life and can
never be escaped.
But the supply of good and desirable things _has_ increased since
humans arose on the earth, and they are available with a smaller
outlay of time and energy than before, so I don't think it can be
realistically viewed as a zero sum game. Free players only pay a
cost when, in their view, the benefit is worth more than the cost.
The division of labor, for example, is an intellectual invention
that didn't cost anywhere near as much as it produced in benefits...
and it benefited practically everybody. So its invention created
true wealth, in that the 1) the benefits far exceeded the cost from
any participant's point of view and 2) the benefits never existed
before, and some of them weren't even conceivable before. Many
inventions fit into that paradigm. Even software-defined radios!
I'd put Beethoven and Vivaldi and Chopin (and even the Firesign
Theatre, to bring in a group that's not musical) in that category
too. The old vinyl records I got at discount or second-hand cost me
only a few minutes of my time. The mind-expansion and joy received
was worth far more than the cost, and I think it very likely that
those who exerted themselves the most -- the artists -- would agree
with that evaluation too. In fact, I believe that many of them would
produce this magnificent wealth even if they were not paid money for it.
The market is supposed, in theory, to adjust prices so that the
average "touchy-feely" valuations of material creations or services
are reflected in their prices -- so that the creation of real value,
as seen and felt by humans, is reflected in its valuation in
"spendable capital."
I believe that the market could come close to doing that, if a
dollar was as inviolate a measure of value as a foot is an inviolate
measure of length. But neither the money-men, nor the media they
own, nor the politicians they own, will ever allow that to happen.
Happy Tuesday,
Kevin.
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
Don't the public sector unions extract the wealth from the taxpayers?
dxAce
"D. Peter Maus" wrote:
That's one thing I always wonder about these radio shows that tout their gold
selling business's (typically an infomercial). On the one hand they say that
paper money is becoming worthless, yet they want to exchange gold for ones
ever increasingly worthless paper money.
Give us your worthless currency and we'll send you your valuable gold
straightaway.
bpnjensen
No, not stealing - yes voluntary exchange - but exchange is like for
like in value, and is not creation. Then, even if it was not an
equivalency, it would still not be creation of wealth. The sum total
of the value of both parties would remain the same; wealth, like
energy, is conserved.
bpnjensen
That's why the value of gold is now so "high" - lots of frightened
people have shoveled boatloads of decreasingly valuable money at it.
The gold isn't worth any more in REAL dollars than it was before...but
people have driven up the demand while the dollar has dropped, so the
suppliers can charge more for it.
BTW, when you buy this stuff, do they send you a slab of gold, or a
"certificate"? If I were so inclined, that detail would make a LOT of
difference to me.
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
There are certainly various methods, but if one is so inclined, I recommend taking
physical possession of said commodity, and do it in coin form rather than 'slab' or
ingot form.
dxAce
dxAce wrote:
And, hide it somewhere, do not put it in a 'safe deposit box' as if and when the time
comes, it may not be readily available from your local 'friendly bank' as said bank may
be under federal orders to release nothing from 'safe deposit box's' prior to federal
inspection and confiscation of the commodity in question.
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
One other thing. Yes, the demand has risen, and the dollar has dropped, but the
dollar has decreased in value due recently to the actions of the Obama regime.
The same has happened to oil, and yes, demand is up around the world, not
necessarily in the USA, but oil is typically quoted in dollars (much like gold), as
it is still the currency of choice, and, as the value of the dollar drops, it takes
more of those dollars to buy one barrel of oil (or one ounce of gold).
arthr...@webtv.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
One must be filthy rich to start investing in precious metals right
now . Paper money is strong (or accepted everywhere)as long as the the
guv'mint printing it is stable and militarily superior . Like the US
currency . Why it's value is fluctuating so much against other major
currencies must be a result of 'conspiracy' of the financial
'wizards' . And that's the bitter truth .
dxAce
dxAce
dxAce wrote:
If so, I'm going back to bed shortly with a warm fuzzy feeling :) cause somewhere around
here I can certainly come up with $1455.80.
arthr...@webtv.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
It is slightly higher at the moment in London . Monday's PM price
closed at $1468.00 . Now markets in Asia is a very different
environment .
dave
>
> Could the 'rich' possibly be public sector union folks? After all, they make more than their private sector
> equivalents.
Except this isn't true. Employees with similar skills and experience
make more in the private sector.
> And, just who are these 'poor' and why are they always poor? Aren't the 'poor' always with us, and, are there not
> 'poor' folks who move up to being 'rich', and, some 'rich' folks who move down to being 'poor'?
There's no more upward mobility, unless you count the Lotto drawings.
> In some cases, it may just be a matter of having the clown 'tard fools who insist upon wearing their pants down to
> their knees simply staying in school and actually trying to learn something.
>
Please, o learned one, tell us where the jobs of the future will be?
What is the point of studying if the only jobs left are jobs like
changing bedpans and washing dishes?
Please note I said 'Uber rich".
dave
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>> Except - that's what every revolution is all about, ain't it? The
>> rich, having screwed the poor until they cannot stand it any longer,
>> get their just desserts.
>
>
> this missive:
>
> dessert = an after meal treat
> desert = an arid region, to abandon, etc
> deserts = an inflection of the base verb desert, or merely two or more
> deserts.
>
> The way we Uber-Rich remember which is which is quite simple, especially
> with our diets.
>
> "Two servings of deSSert" (two Servings = two esses = food)
>
> This is all well and fine, unless of course you MEANT 'just desserts',
> as in "I've poisoned the Master's dessert, dearest. The pompous bastard
> will be dead by morning. Missus RHF will surely reward us."
>
>
> michael the second
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dave
> On 4/11/2011 7:55 PM, dave wrote:
>> On 04/11/2011 02:16 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> No. People -- especially the best people -- are motivated by
>>> things far
>>> above economics on the scale of values.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, crazy-assed religious fanatics.
>
>
> No. Many people value nobility, kindness, art, poetry, culture,
> intelligence, creativity, Nature and a thousand other things more highly
> than money -- and more highly than nonexistent saviors.
>
>
>
> With my best,
>
>
> Kevin.
WTF is "nobility"?
While you may champion these high-minded ideals, your culture has chosen
the lowest common denominator to define worth. You can give these
intangibles to hungry people but that will not satisfy them.
dave
> On 4/11/2011 7:56 PM, dave wrote:
>
>> No wealth is created except by labor
>
>
>
> That's highly debatable. Furthermore, what one man classes as "wealth"
> another may class as a curse.
Highly debatable? It's pretty much the basis of all property rights in
traditional Western Civilization.
dave
>
> That is why it outrages me when those who claim to speak for "society"
> or "the majority" demand that my time and my loved ones' time be spent
> to work for _them_ or _their_ pet causes -- with the threat of violence
> and imprisonment if we do not comply.
>
> That is why it outrages me that bankers are permitted to create money
> out of nothing every time they make a "loan," thus forcing me to spend
> my time working for them because every dollar is diluted by their
> legalized counterfeiting.
>
> There is a better way. It is called Social Credit.
>
A loan is temporary money.
Your ancestors made a social contract that said you will give up some
liberty for the good of the group.
dave
>
> Life is not a zero sum game. My success, for instance, does not come at
> someone else's expense.
>
You think that because you have been shielded from the externalities of
your success. As you drive your auto think about the giant lakes of
toxic waste in Nigeria and the dead babies in Iraq.
As you enjoy your handheld electronic miracle think about Chinese
prisoners working 12 hour shifts 6 and a half days a week building your
toys.
dave
Only if you are fully informed
dave
dave
> That's one thing I always wonder about these radio shows that tout their gold
> selling business's (typically an infomercial). On the one hand they say that
> paper money is becoming worthless, yet they want to exchange gold for ones
> ever increasingly worthless paper money.
>
> Give us your worthless currency and we'll send you your valuable gold
> straightaway.
>
>
If you want a commodity to speculate on, food is much better than gold.
dave
> And, hide it somewhere, do not put it in a 'safe deposit box' as if and when the time
> comes, it may not be readily available from your local 'friendly bank' as said bank may
> be under federal orders to release nothing from 'safe deposit box's' prior to federal
> inspection and confiscation of the commodity in question.
>
>
And who will keep them from stealing it as soon as you walk out the bank
door?
dave
Joe from Kokomo
> Don't the public sector unions extract the wealth from the taxpayers?
Sure they do.
Just like the taxpayers extract wealth from the unions, by having their
kids taught, their snow plowed and the fire department coming when their
house is on fire.
What's your grudge against the unions? They shouldn't be able to bargain?
Just do what their bosses dictate?
"You now have a class size of 80".
"You are going to work a double shift behind the wheel of that snow plow
-- with no overtime".
"Oh, and did we tell you, your new salary is five bucks an hour".
Public or private unions, without bargaining, you are 100% at the mercy
of however much "they" want to chisel you for.
To anticipate any flak, that's why they call it 'bargaining'. Just
because the union asks for it does not mean management has to give it.
Hopefully, they will meet somewhere in the middle.
Finally, I realize that some unions have abused bargaining (only because
management let them?), but if you go back to the 1930s when the unions
came into being, management was abusing the hell out of labor. The
pendulum swings.
RHF
> On 04/11/2011 06:55 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/11/2011 7:55 PM, dave wrote:
> >> On 04/11/2011 02:16 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>
> >>> No. People -- especially the best people -- are motivated by
> >>> things far
> >>> above economics on the scale of values.
>
> >> Yeah, crazy-assed religious fanatics.
>
> > No. Many people value nobility, kindness, art, poetry, culture,
> > intelligence, creativity, Nature and a thousand other things more highly
> > than money -- and more highly than nonexistent saviors.
>
> > With my best,
>
> > Kevin.
>
> WTF is "nobility"?
>
So... Saint Francis of Assisi did not exist.
So... Buddhist Monks do not exist.
So... there is no Billy Graham.
- your culture has chosen the lowest common denominator
- to define worth.
Dave : ? "your culture" ? is 'you'
So... It is 'you' Dave and your personal Culture of
Medical Marijuana Smoking that represents the
lowest common denominator of of Dope Smoking
and getting loaded; as a daily life-style.
-you-are-only-worth-one-puff-of-dreams-
- You can give these intangibles to hungry people
- but that will not satisfy them.
There is Hunger of the Human "Spirit"
and the Animal Hunger of the 'Body'.
-and- Both Hungers Must Be Satisfied.
-for- The Human-Animal To Live and Prosper
alas dave 'you' are simply the caricature
of the last-angry-man ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/35c389bcba3181ba
.
.
RHF
> On 04/11/2011 08:42 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>
>
>
> > That is why it outrages me when those who claim to speak for "society"
> > or "the majority" demand that my time and my loved ones' time be spent
> > to work for _them_ or _their_ pet causes -- with the threat of violence
> > and imprisonment if we do not comply.
>
> > That is why it outrages me that bankers are permitted to create money
> > out of nothing every time they make a "loan," thus forcing me to spend
> > my time working for them because every dollar is diluted by their
> > legalized counterfeiting.
>
> > There is a better way. It is called Social Credit.
>
> A loan is temporary money.
- Your ancestors made a social contract that said
- you will give up some liberty for the good of the group.
Dave that is simply another Medical Marijuana
Liberal Socialist Idea : Liberty = The Good of the Group
-obama-collective-freedom-
The American Social Contract of 1776
is about Personal "Individual" Freedoms
-not-the-marx's-collective- ~ RHF
.
.
RHF
True.
RHF
Very True.
RHF
Clearly Not 'You' Dave.
Brenda Ann
"dxAce" wrote in message news:4DA3EBD6...@milestones.com...
One other thing. Yes, the demand has risen, and the dollar has dropped, but
the
dollar has decreased in value due recently to the actions of the Obama
regime.
The same has happened to oil, and yes, demand is up around the world, not
necessarily in the USA, but oil is typically quoted in dollars (much like
gold), as
it is still the currency of choice, and, as the value of the dollar drops,
it takes
more of those dollars to buy one barrel of oil (or one ounce of gold).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to do with Obama or the government, really. It's a financial vicious
cycle.
The more people buy precious metals, the less of them there are, so supply
and demand says the price goes up (and so the dollar/whatever currency goes
down). This spiral will continue as long as people are buying precious
metals.... and it certainly doesn't help that doomsayers are pushing the
public to buy gold (and to a lesser extent, silver and platinum).
Eventually, currency will be worthless, or very close to it. What's funny
is, precious metals will likely not be worth squat to the average person
(it's kind of silly if you think about it... what's gold really good for?).
The logical end is that barter will become king again, with people trading
their goods or direct labor for others goods or labor.
RHF
The Value of One Gold Round {One Ounce} will buy
you a a Month's Supply of Storable Food & Water
for your Family. -do-that-first- Feed Your Family
The Value of One Gold Round {One Ounce} will buy
you a Good Gun/Rifle and plenty of Ammo.
-do-that-next- Protect Your Family
Then Buy One Gold Round {One Ounce} - imho ~ RHF
-maintain-your-wealth- Provide for Your Family's Future
.
RHF
> On 04/11/2011 09:58 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
>
>
> > Life is not a zero sum game. My success, for instance, does not come at
> > someone else's expense.
>
of
- your success. As you drive your auto think about the giant lakes of
- toxic waste in Nigeria and the dead babies in Iraq.
-
- As you enjoy your handheld electronic miracle think about Chinese
- prisoners working 12 hour shifts 6 and a half days a week building
your
- toys.
I will leave you to think and think and think about
all those things you have Dave, and the toxic terror
and slavery that your excessive life creates...
-while- I simply enjoy living a simple practical life ~ RHF
.
dave
It's called medicinal marijuana for a reason. I have brain abnormalities
from birth. I have 2 kinds of arthritis and my spine is damaged. I would
be taking a whole lot more "pharmaceuticals" if I wasn't doing an
occasional toke on my little $5 hash pipe.
My personal culture is unfathomable to a closed minded bigot, such as
yourself.
I have no idea who this Francis of Assissi is, as I am non-catholic
The only Buddhist monk I know is the Dalai Llama, and he is as far from
"nobility" as one can get.
"Nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally hereditary.
The privileges associated with nobility may constitute substantial
advantages over or relative to non-nobles"-wikipedia
dave
There is no relevant contract dated 1776 that I am aware of.
Your fragmented psyche is incapable of complex thought.
dave
RHF
> On Apr 11, 9:01 pm, Kevin Alfred Strom <kevin.st...@revilo-oliver.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/11/2011 10:22 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 11, 6:59 pm, Kevin Alfred Strom<kevin.st...@revilo-oliver.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> On 4/11/2011 7:56 PM, dave wrote:
>
> > >>> No wealth is created except by labor
>
> > >> That's highly debatable. Furthermore, what one man classes as
> > >> "wealth" another may class as a curse.
>
>
> > >> There's so much more to life than "who gets the money." That is a
> > >> lesson that right and left both need to learn -- right before they
> > >> toss the left/right paradigm where it belongs.
>
> > >> Honor bright,
>
> > >> Kevin.
> > >> --http://nationalvanguard.org/http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
>
> > > I still maintain that wealth (and by this I mean spendable capital,
> > > not some touchy-feely inherent wealth thing) is not created at all,
> > > but borrowed - or stolen - from someone else.
>
> > You've hit on a real truth here -- but it's _not_ a zero-sum game as
> > you seem to be saying. See below.
>
> > "Spendable capital," i.e., money, _is_ created. And, contrary to
> > what the neocons say, only a small percentage is created by the
> > government. The vast majority is created by private banks. And
> > private banks are the _only_ entity allowed to create money out of
> > nothing. Which is exactly what they do every time they make a "loan."
>
> > Thus, we must all work for them, since their money-creation charade
> > results in huge interest payments to them for doing essentially
> > nothing, and every dollar they create out of thin air dilutes every
> > widow's and pensioner's and investor's dollar. Keeping us in debt
> > and working for them forever -- as taxpayers, as homeowners, as
> > investors, as businessmen -- is their goal. That is theft, as you say.
>
> > _That_ is how the system really works, and the money-men fund phony
> > political parties and media empires that hide that fact and --
> > barely suppressing a smirk -- hold out mirages like Faux-News-style
> > "free enterprise" and Marxian or FDR-type "socialism" which don't
> > even address the fundamental problem as dead-end diversions for
> > their slaves.
>
> > > You can't GET something
> > > without someone else LOSING something. The idea of creating wealth is
> > > a MYTH that Billionaires use to keep the little guy down. You cannot
> > > name a concentration of wealth of any size, the accumulation of which
> > > did not involve the extraction of wealth from some other source, be it
> > > human or natural.
>
> > That part of your post isn't true.
>
> > People create real benefits, real beauty, real time-savers, real
> > discoveries, and real values that others recognize and gladly pay
> > for -- and which constitute real new wealth -- all the time. It's
> > not a zero-sum game. Someday someone may discover a way to send
> > Nature's silver seed to take root on another world beyond the known,
> > so Life as we know it may transcend the fate of this increasingly
> > crowded and filthy sphere. What wealth -- wealth that never existed
> > before -- _that_ would constitute!
>
> > Esse quam videre,
>
> > Kevin Alfred Strom.
> > --http://nationalvanguard.org/http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
>
> Kevin, you and I will have to disagree on this. It is a zero-sum game
> - it only depends on how you define the outcome. Benefits, beauty,
> discoveries - all took blood, sweat and tears, all took resources, and
> all cost somebody something in order for them to be of value.
> Somebody else must still give up something to their "creators" to get
> the further benefit. Otherwise, they are just the "touchy-feely"
> thing I alluded to earlier.
>
> Not that I have anything against considering the value of beauty and
> knowledge - I place a very high value on it - but to acquire it, I
> must give up something of value in return, and if I create or extract
> it, I must charge somebody something to derive material benefit from
> it. Beethoven's music did him no good unless he could sell it, and
> that would have been a transfer of wealth, in which somebody else gave
> up actual capital he had earned or stolen elsewhere.
>
> Bruce Jensen
Creating Wealth ? -or- Redistributing The Wealth !
Natural Evolving Human Commerce -basic- Barter
Society Between People Using 'Money' as a Media
of Exchange
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5cbb38ea82b48518
* Can't Eat Money -but- You Can Buy Food
and Feed Your Family With It.
-starting-with-someone-growing-the-food-
* Can't Drink Money -but- You Can Buy Water
and Nourish Your Family With It.
-starting-with-someone-bringing-the-clean-water-
* Can't Build Money -but- You Can Buy Housing
and Shelter Your Family With It.
-starting-with-someone-building-the-homes-
* Can't Shot Money -but- You Can Buy a Gun
and Ammo and Protect Your Family With It.
-starting-with-someone-making-the-product-
*Again* Natural Evolving Human Commerce
.
The old saying goes: One Man's Junk {Worthless}
is another Man's Treasure {Profit} ;-)
Something To Think About - From the Bonanza TV Series:
-story-dialog-goes- Why HOSS,
Business is "Where" the Man with the Money
'meets' the Man with the Experience.
The Man with the Experience 'gets' the Money . . .
and the Man with the Money 'gets' the Experience ! ! !
[ That's Wealth Redistribution 101 ]
and that is... something to think about . . . ~ RHF
.
.
Kevin Alfred Strom
> On 04/11/2011 06:55 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>> On 4/11/2011 7:55 PM, dave wrote:
>>> On 04/11/2011 02:16 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. People -- especially the best people -- are motivated by
>>>> things far
>>>> above economics on the scale of values.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, crazy-assed religious fanatics.
>>
>>
>> No. Many people value nobility, kindness, art, poetry, culture,
>> intelligence, creativity, Nature and a thousand other things more
>> highly
>> than money -- and more highly than nonexistent saviors.
>>
>>
>>
>> With my best,
>>
>>
>> Kevin.
>
> WTF is "nobility"?
>
Nobility is quiet virtue. It is being kind to those less fortunate
or less able than you, while at the same time seeing that the
highest achievement of the highest among us is the ultimate value.
It is the refusal to accept slavery -- refusing to be enslaved,
refusing to enslave others, and refusing to acquiesce in others
being enslaved. It is being true to one's self and one's nature. It
is protecting, honoring, and supporting one's people.
Titles of nobility ought to be granted only to those who have
evinced these qualities. At one time, those who inherited such
titles due to a family connection were expected to live up to them
or be dishonored forever. In Britain, the entire system became
corrupted by money, however, as you can see here:
http://nationalvanguard.org/2010/11/anti-nobility/
But just because titles of nobility have become ignoble
laughingstocks does not mean that real nobility does not exist.
> While you may champion these high-minded ideals, your culture has
> chosen the lowest common denominator to define worth. You can give
> these intangibles to hungry people but that will not satisfy them.
The fact that the average, or, as you say, the lowest common
denominator, defines worth in the marketplace is all the more reason
to _raise_ the average level of intelligence, character, and
nobility in our civilization. There's only one way to do that.
And I can guarantee that importing, and mixing with, dozens of
millions of the lowest cheap-labor types from the most primitive
societies on Earth isn't it.
With every good wish,
Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
dxAce
Brenda Ann wrote:
> "dxAce" wrote in message news:4DA3EBD6...@milestones.com...
>
> One other thing. Yes, the demand has risen, and the dollar has dropped, but
> the
> dollar has decreased in value due recently to the actions of the Obama
> regime.
>
> The same has happened to oil, and yes, demand is up around the world, not
> necessarily in the USA, but oil is typically quoted in dollars (much like
> gold), as
> it is still the currency of choice, and, as the value of the dollar drops,
> it takes
> more of those dollars to buy one barrel of oil (or one ounce of gold).
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Nothing to do with Obama or the government, really. It's a financial vicious
> cycle.
Yes, there may indeed be cycles, but, when a government borrows tremendous amounts
of money, the value of the currency by nature becomes worth less.
So yes, it has a great deal to do with the Obama regime, and government in general.
m II
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On 11-04-12 07:32 AM, RHF wrote:
> I will leave you to think and think and think about
> all those things you have Dave, and the toxic terror
> and slavery that your excessive life creates...
>
> -while- I simply enjoy living a simple practical life ~ RHF
> .
Still have that 250 KW generator running behind the 6 car garage?
mike
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dave
I was referring to currency when I used "lowest common denominator",
meaning society is lazy and stupid.
Cheerio.
dave
>
>
> Yes, there may indeed be cycles, but, when a government borrows tremendous amounts
> of money, the value of the currency by nature becomes worth less.
>
> So yes, it has a great deal to do with the Obama regime, and government in general.
>
Huh. This is driven by Wall Street. Obama has little to do with it. His
stimulus days are over; that's why the Fed had to step in.
m II
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It doesn't matter what rate you tax at, the loop holes assure they don't
pay it anyway.
ZERO taxes paid:
I read somewhere a few year back that if business paid 10 percent in
taxes, with NO deductions, the amount collected would be 300 percent
higher than the average being paid now.
mike
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Bower Bird? I have, years ago on one of those TV shows.It is Amazing.
'Wealth'
There was a time when Stones were Money/Wealth.Some Tribes/people have
more than one Cow/Wealth. Some different kinds of Ores are Wealth.People
learned how to create Tools and Machines from Ore and build
things.Copper Tools were used when the Pyramids were built.The first
Wood Lathes were powered by a foot pedal connected to a rope attatched
to a tree limb.
Buy a new Ferrari which was built with Tools and Machines and you show
people you have Wealth.
Not one chance in a millionnnnnn,,,,, does a poor man havvve,,,,, I
would be richer by farrrrrrrr with a good hearrrted gallllllll,,,,,
cuhulin
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was worth more than it is nowadays.
devilfinder.com sent me to Hell! about it.
http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=How+much+was+an+ounce+of+Gold+worth+in+1950?
I should have started buying Gold wayyyyyy back then, but I didn't have
the money.
cuhulin
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Brenda Ann wrote:
>> Nothing to do with Obama or the government, really. It's a financial vicious
>> cycle.
On 4/12/2011 11:04 AM, dxAce wrote:
> Yes, there may indeed be cycles, but, when a government borrows tremendous amounts
> of money, the value of the currency by nature becomes worth less.
>
> So yes, it has a great deal to do with the Obama regime, and government in general.
Other than closet(?) racism or petty partisanship, I'm not sure why you
single out Obama. We've had inflation for the last 70 or 80 years, no
matter which party was in power.
Joe from Kokomo
> Eventually, currency will be worthless, or very close to it.
Why? (see below)
> What's funny is, precious metals will likely not be worth squat to
> the average person (it's kind of silly if you think about it...
> what's gold really good for?). The logical end is that barter will
> become king again, with people trading their goods or direct labor
> for others goods or labor.
Well, yes and no. Barter can be a real bother. For example, I'm sure
we've all seen the ad that says "Will trade 'X' for 'Y' ". Maybe we
really want 'X' but don't have the 'Y' that the other person wants.
Currency is sort of the "universal solvent" or "lowest common
denominator" that keeps the wheels of trade turning.
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> On Apr 11, 10:02 pm, "D. Peter Maus"<dpeterm...@att.net> wrote:
>> On 4/11/11 23:25 , bpnjensen wrote:
>>
>>> knowledge - I place a very high value on it - but to acquire it, I
>>> must give up something of value in return, and if I create or extract
>>> it, I must charge somebody something to derive material benefit from
>>> it. Beethoven's music did him no good unless he could sell it, and
>>> that would have been a transfer of wealth, in which somebody else gave
>>> up actual capital he had earned or stolen elsewhere.
>>
>>> Bruce Jensen
>>
>> exchange what you value less for what you value more.
>>
>
> No, not stealing - yes voluntary exchange - but exchange is like for
> like in value, and is not creation.
Definitely not like for like value. You have to be exchanging
what you have for what you want more. The item being
purchased/treaded for has more value to you than the value you
reliquish for it.
But the creation comes in the act of labor. If I create something
out of raw materials, I have created the value for which you will
will purchase it. That's creation of value. If I produce the raw
materials, myself, that's also creation of value. Both instances
I've created that value through my labor. And no one is harmed, or
had his/her labor lost or stolen in the process. And I have created
wealth that did not exist before. And you have purchased that wealth
through resources you have acquired, or created.
Does this make sense?
cuh...@webtv.net
out a form who bought the Gold and where the Gold buyer(s) lives and
send that form to Commie fed govt.Last year I read something about that
somewhere.Roosevelt Hoodwinked people into getting rid of their
Gold.Nowadays, in my opinion, Commie fed govt wants to know who is
buying Gold and where the Gold buyers live so that someday Commie fed
govt will get a wild hair up their Commie fed govt asses and TAKE
people's Gold away from them.
I don't have any Gold, or Silver either.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
> Brenda Ann wrote:
>
> >> Nothing to do with Obama or the government, really. It's a financial vicious
> >> cycle.
>
> On 4/12/2011 11:04 AM, dxAce wrote:
>
> > Yes, there may indeed be cycles, but, when a government borrows tremendous amounts
> > of money, the value of the currency by nature becomes worth less.
> >
> > So yes, it has a great deal to do with the Obama regime, and government in general.
>
> Other than closet(?) racism or petty partisanship, I'm not sure why you
> single out Obama.
Not sure? Why it's very easy to see. Look at the amount(s) spent, or scheduled (via
legislation) to be spent and you need not wonder why I've singled out Obama.
cuh...@webtv.net
Lemonade.Damn city govts knocks them down.
cuhulin
Brenda Ann
"dave" wrote in message
news:4da456f3$0$12496$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
"Nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally hereditary.
The privileges associated with nobility may constitute substantial
advantages over or relative to non-nobles"-wikipedia
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Try this definition, which is the one actually being referred to:
Nobility (n) 1: the quality or state of being noble in character, quality,
or rank
Noble (adj.) 1a : possessing outstanding qualities
Noble (adj.) 5: possessing, characterized by, or arising from superiority
of mind or character or of ideals or morals : lofty <a noble ambition>
cuh...@webtv.net
down from my attic again, enema about an hour or so.
Someday I might get done with working my attic, I am not in a hurry
about it though.Then I reckon I will fence in my back yard and rescreen
my raggity front screen door and finally get around to fixin that water
leak in my big ass 1978 Dodge van, I might get to working on my 1948
Willys Jeep too, if I live long enough.
cuhulin
Chester A. Arthur
> But the creation comes in the act of labor. If I create something
> out of raw materials, I have created the value for which you will will
> purchase it. That's creation of value. If I produce the raw materials,
> myself, that's also creation of value. Both instances I've created that
> value through my labor. And no one is harmed, or had his/her labor lost
> or stolen in the process. And I have created wealth that did not exist
> before. And you have purchased that wealth through resources you have
> acquired, or created.
>
> Does this make sense?
It made sense to Adam Smith. From "Wealth of Nations":
"Labor, it must always be remembered, and not any particular commodity or
set of commodities, is the real measure of the value both of silver and
of all other commodities."
Some labor is rewarded more than others, sometimes for strange reasons:
"The exorbitant rewards of players, opera-singers, opera-dancers, &c are
founded upon...the rarity and beauty of the talents, and the discredit
of employing them."
RHF
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> On 11-04-12 07:32 AM, RHF wrote:
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> > On Apr 12, 5:38 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> >> On 04/11/2011 09:58 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> >>> Life is not a zero sum game. My success, for instance, does not come at
> >>> someone else's expense.
>
> > - You think that because you have been shielded from the externalities
> > of
> > - your success. As you drive your auto think about the giant lakes of
> > - toxic waste in Nigeria and the dead babies in Iraq.
> > -
> > - As you enjoy your handheld electronic miracle think about Chinese
> > - prisoners working 12 hour shifts 6 and a half days a week building
> > your
> > - toys.
>
> > I will leave you to think and think and think about
> > all those things you have Dave, and the toxic terror
> > and slavery that your excessive life creates...
>
> > -while- I simply enjoy living a simple practical life ~ RHF
> > .
- Is your 250 KW generator still running
Fact # 1 : Wrong.
- behind the six car garage?
Fact # 2 : Wrong.
- mike
Mike [M II] as usual you get all your facts WRONG [.]
.
cuh...@webtv.net
you to believe!
I know, and I am only a backwater Missy Sippy hick.
We gots The Quick and the Dead movie on the AMC channel now.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.drudgereport.com
Sex Workers? I never heard of that one before.What kind of FOOL makes up
those names? Why don't they say it like it is? They are HOs.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
Ass Birth Certificates Right Here Phoney Fake Fraud Hawaii! No More Long
Form Birth Certificates!
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=306133
PHONEY FAKE FRAUD Hawaii!!!!!!!!!!!!
cuhulin
arthr...@webtv.net
> Brenda Ann wrote:
> > "dxAce" wrote in messagenews:4DA3EBD6...@milestones.com...
>
> > One other thing. Yes, the demand has risen, and the dollar has dropped, but
> > the
> > dollar has decreased in value due recently to the actions of the Obama
> > regime.
>
> > The same has happened to oil, and yes, demand is up around the world, not
> > necessarily in the USA, but oil is typically quoted in dollars (much like
> > gold), as
> > it is still the currency of choice, and, as the value of the dollar drops,
> > it takes
> > more of those dollars to buy one barrel of oil (or one ounce of gold).
>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Nothing to do with Obama or the government, really. It's a financial vicious
> > cycle.
>
> of money, the value of the currency by nature becomes worth less.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
When a guv'mint spends more than it collects in taxes it is known as a
bankrupted guv'mint . Like Greece , Ireland , Iceland , Portugal and
more to come . By debasing or devaluing the currency the authority
undermines it's prestige and respect from it's own people (Equador ,
Argentina , Mexico etc) . Some EU members refused to introduce the
euro altogether . Some are still regretting it .
arthr...@webtv.net
The filthy rich don't drive cars to show their wealth . They fly
themselves .
dxAce
arthr...@webtv.net wrote:
Are you aware that the US Dollar is the official currency of Ecuador and has been since 2000?
There are also other countries that have adopted the US Dollar as their official currency.
Wonder how happy they are?
dxAce
Michigan
USA
arthr...@webtv.net
> I remember an ounce of Gold was worth $35.00 in the 1950s.Paper money
> was worth more than it is nowadays.
>
>
> I should have started buying Gold wayyyyyy back then, but I didn't have
> the money.
> cuhulin
I think it is Yamashita's fault . He stole a lot of it .
arthr...@webtv.net
> Sex Workers in Long Island.http://www.drudgereport.com
>
> Sex Workers? I never heard of that one before.What kind of FOOL makes up
> those names? Why don't they say it like it is? They are HOs.
> cuhulin
Craigslist seems like a very dangerous website . Far worse than the
Dangerous Walmart .
arthr...@webtv.net
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Equador ( or is it Ecuador ?) had so much problems over the years they
HAD to adapt the US$ . Salvador , Panama , Liberia ( not sure if they
aknowledge it ) , G-d knows how many others .
RHF
> On 04/12/2011 05:54 AM, RHF wrote:
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> > On Apr 12, 5:24 am, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> >> On 04/11/2011 06:55 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>
> >>> On 4/11/2011 7:55 PM, dave wrote:
> >>>> On 04/11/2011 02:16 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>
> >>>>> No. People -- especially the best people -- are motivated by
> >>>>> things far
> >>>>> above economics on the scale of values.
>
> >>>> Yeah, crazy-assed religious fanatics.
>
> >>> No. Many people value nobility, kindness, art, poetry, culture,
> >>> intelligence, creativity, Nature and a thousand other things more highly
> >>> than money -- and more highly than nonexistent saviors.
>
> >>> With my best,
>
> >>> Kevin.
- - - WTF is "nobility"?
-wrt- "Noble" and the 'Noble-Ones'
- - - While you may champion these high-minded ideals,
- - So... Saint Francis of Assisi did not exist.
- - So... Buddhist Monks do not exist.
- - So... there is no Billy Graham.
.
- - - your culture has chosen the lowest common denominator
- - - to define worth.
- - Dave : ? "your culture" ? is 'you'
- - So... It is 'you' Dave and your personal Culture of
- - lowest common denominator of of Dope Smoking
- - and getting loaded; as a daily life-style.
- - *-you-are-only-worth-one-puff-of-dreams-
- It's called medicinal marijuana for a reason.
Yeah That Reason Being : It's Marijuana
{Illegal Drugs -aka- Street Dope}
-and-you-over-medicate-yourself-with-it-to-excess-
.
- I have brain abnormalities from birth.
That's 1 "I" {Sorry to hear that}
.
- I have 2 kinds of arthritis and my spine is damaged.
That's 2 "I"s {Sorry to hear that too}
.
- I would be taking a whole lot more "pharmaceuticals"
That's 3 "I"s -imho- Better Legal Good} Rx Meds than
the psychotic effects of so-called Medical Marijuana.
.
- if I wasn't doing an occasional toke on my little
- $5 hash pipe.
That's 4 "I"s {a Hash Pipe is Drug Paraphernalia}
- My personal culture is unfathomable to a closed
minded bigot, such as yourself.
That's 5 "I"s {"I" ~ 'My'}
Nah Dave : YOUR "Personal" 'Culture' is centered
all around YOU and the Five [5] "I"s prove it.
-so-speak-for-yourself--but-don't-speak-for-us-
...and... Dave Once Again Proving That You Are NO
Libertarian of any Stripe -but- an Intolerant Elitist*
With Liberal-Fascist "Culture-of-Fear" Tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/920c3f7fdd38ee9b
Always Amazed by those who claim to be "Libertarians"
so-called Champions of Individual Rights and Personal
Freedoms : Who Instantly Resort to Name Calling and
Vulgarities : Proving that they really are completely
Intolerant Progressive Elitists -aka- Liberal-Fascists :
Who Attack Any Minority Who Is Not The Right Kind
of Liberal Minority and Toe The Liberal Line.
* Telling You What You Can and Can't Say
* Telling You What You Can and Can't Think
* Telling You What You Can and Can't Do
* Telling You How You Can and Can't Live
* Defining How Minorities Must Think
* Demanding How Minorities Must Act
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7f00e5d20874c831
= Elitist Control Freaks = Overlords of the Masses =
= Controlling Elitists = Overlords of the Minorities =
=Cultural Imperialist = Oppressors of Sub-Cultures =
.
.
- I have no idea who this Francis of Assissi is,
- as I am non-catholic
So... You Do Not Live In Southern California . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Francis_of_Assisi
-and- You Never have heard of the "Franciscan Order"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Francis_of_Assisi#Founding_of_the_Franciscan_Order
-are-you-"that"-unaware-of-your-local-culture-?-
.
- The only Buddhist monk I know is the Dalai Llama,
- and he is as far from "nobility" as one can get.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_monk
The "Noble-Ones" Walk Among Us Daily :
Even Here in Remote Twain Harte, CA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_monk
-open-up-your-eyes-&-inner-being-and-let-the-light-in-
Clearly "Noble" and the Noble-Ones are in the Un-Biased
Eye [Un-Bigoted Personal Vision] of the Beholder.
-they-walk-among-us-and-with-us-:-blessed-are-we-
.
- "Nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally
- hereditary. The privileges associated with nobility may
- constitute substantial advantages over or relative to
- non-nobles"-wikipedia
There-in lays the heart and soul of your Bias and Bigotry
You speak of 'Nobility' {Your Hate for the Uber-Rich and
'Titled'} -while- I Speak of the "Noble" {Pure and Good of
Heart} and the 'Noble-Ones' {Lives Dedicated and Devoted
to Helping Others in Need}
-blessing-be-upon-them-amen-
alas dave... 'you' are simply the caricature
of the last-angry-man ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/35c389bcba3181ba
-'i'-will-have-a-noble-{nice-&-kindly}-thought-for-you-
.
.
arthr...@webtv.net
> Always Amazed by those who claim to be "Libertarians"
> so-called Champions of Individual Rights and Personal
> Freedoms : Who Instantly Resort to Name Calling and
> Vulgarities : Proving that they really are completely
> Intolerant Progressive Elitists -aka- Liberal-Fascists :
> Who Attack Any Minority Who Is Not The Right Kind
> of Liberal Minority and Toe The Liberal Line.
> * Telling You What You Can and Can't Say
> * Telling You What You Can and Can't Think
> * Telling You What You Can and Can't Do
> * Telling You How You Can and Can't Live
> * Defining How Minorities Must Think
> = Elitist Control Freaks = Overlords of the Masses =
> = Controlling Elitists = Overlords of the Minorities =
> =Cultural Imperialist = Oppressors of Sub-Cultures =
> .
> .
> - I have no idea who this Francis of Assissi is,
> - as I am non-catholic
>
> -and- You Never have heard of the "Franciscan Order"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Francis_of_Assisi#Founding_of_the_...
> -are-you-"that"-unaware-of-your-local-culture-?-
> .
> - The only Buddhist monk I know is the Dalai Llama,
>
> The "Noble-Ones" Walk Among Us Daily :
> -open-up-your-eyes-&-inner-being-and-let-the-light-in-
>
> Clearly "Noble" and the Noble-Ones are in the Un-Biased
> Eye [Un-Bigoted Personal Vision] of the Beholder.
> -they-walk-among-us-and-with-us-:-blessed-are-we-
> .
> - "Nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally
> - hereditary. The privileges associated with nobility may
> - constitute substantial advantages over or relative to
> - non-nobles"-wikipedia
>
> There-in lays the heart and soul of your Bias and Bigotry
> You speak of 'Nobility' {Your Hate for the Uber-Rich and
> 'Titled'} -while- I Speak of the "Noble" {Pure and Good of
> Heart} and the 'Noble-Ones' {Lives Dedicated and Devoted
> to Helping Others in Need}
> -blessing-be-upon-them-amen-
>
> alas dave... 'you' are simply the caricature
> -'i'-will-have-a-noble-{nice-&-kindly}-thought-for-you-
> .
>
> - Show quoted text -
Barnes & Noble . Are they closing a lot of stores everywhere ?
RHF
> On Apr 12, 9:41 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > Sex Workers in Long Island.http://www.drudgereport.com
>
> > Sex Workers? I never heard of that one before.What kind of FOOL makes up
> > those names? Why don't they say it like it is? They are HOs.
> > cuhulin
- Craigslist seems like a very dangerous website .
- Far worse than the Dangerous Walmart .
Just Don't Get "On" The Obama Enemies List :
=AKA= ENEMIES OF "THE STATE" {OBAMA-REGIME}
-but-it-does-have-it's-benefits-
* All Year Long Residence at Camp FEMA
(o: Meals Included :o)
* No Cost Air Travel
(o: You Are On the 'NO' Fly List :o)
* Free Obama-Care©
(o: Death {Torture} Panels :o)
* Excellent Dental Plan
(o: They Plan To Pull {Torture} All Your Teeth :o)
* Very Good Manicures and Pedicures
(o: They Pull {Torture} Your Nails One-at-a-Time :o)
+ Plus Anyone Who Lives Past a Year
Gets Up-Graded To Tropical Club GitMo :o))
.
Sort of makes Craigslist Stalkers/Killers and the local
Dangerous Walmart Stores... Nice and Friendly ~ RHF
.
.
dave
>
>
>
> Try this definition, which is the one actually being referred to:
>
> Nobility (n) 1: the quality or state of being noble in character,
> quality, or rank
>
> Noble (adj.) 1a : possessing outstanding qualities
>
> Noble (adj.) 5: possessing, characterized by, or arising from
> superiority of mind or character or of ideals or morals : lofty <a noble
> ambition>
You said "this" definition, then listed 3. KAS used the word and he is a
racist enamored of DNA purity etc. I'm pretty sure he was talking about
inherited worthiness.