The CFL Fraud

[Chas.Chan]

A compact fluorescent light (CFL) on the ceiling burst and started a
fire in a home in Hornell, N.Y. December 23, 2010. "Those are the
lights everybody's been telling us to use," said Joe Gerych, Steuben
County Fire Inspector. "It blew up like a bomb. It spattered all
over."

[more]
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_cfl_fraud.html

[lab~rat >:-)]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 06:05:34 -0700 (PDT), "Chas.Chan"
<tianm...@gmail.com> puked:

The terrorists have won.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

[cuh...@webtv.net]

I used to know a gal from Hornell,New York.That was back around December
1969 when I worked part time at a Krystal hamburger restaurant on Terry
Road.
Her New York accent, she pronounced box as bax.A Seargent (Seargent
Funk) in our 114th Aviation Company ammo supply unit at Tan Son Nhut was
from Mechanicsville,New York.
Everytime I stepped into that office to dial a phone number to let a
certain office know we had a load of ammo sitting on the Hard Stand, I
always had to say, WORKING!
cuhulin

[John Smith]

WINNING!

CS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

That telephone in that office was for Official Business, ONLY!
Seargent Bates had told me before the first time I hauled a pallet load
(with a forklift) of ammo to that Hard Stand and when I step into that
office to Always say, WORKING! Then I would dial that phone number and
then I hop back on that forklift and get on back to our ammo dump.

///Hey, Mope, Mope, Mope///
Whatchoo you want now, Sang?

http://www.tsna.org
cuhulin

[dave]

[DEFCON 88]

On Apr 19, 12:21 pm, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:

>
> If you're wrong, you'll have to answer to the Coca Cola Company
>

I want one of those cool CRM-114 radios.

[John Smith]

Talk about a strange love of electronics!

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

I have an old Coca Cola Bottle shaped novelty Radio.It works too.I have
a bunch of other old novelty Radios.
cuhulin, Novelty Radios R US

[First Post]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 06:05:34 -0700 (PDT), "Chas.Chan"

<tianm...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was at a location today where I noticed they had a trash can half
full of those CFLs. They were the ones that were supposed to last up
to 9 years. According to my client they were all less than a year
old. And now they are where the majority of the blow ones will end
up. In a regular old trash can destined for a landfill.
How's that for being "green"?
Dumping mercury and a couple other deadly toxins directly into the
ground.
Just another scam perpetrated in the name of the environment that is
in reality just a quick grab for cash and is worse for the environment
than the coal being used to power the old fashioned incandescents.
One more in a growing line of "AlGorisms".

[cuh...@webtv.net]

So where is that location with a trash can half full of CFLs destined
for a land fill? Don't be shy, Tell the World about it.I Know I Would.
cuhulin

[RHF]

The CFL Fraud -or- Misunderstanding ! :
What Is a Light Bulb's Average Service Use [ASU]
and a Light Bulb's Average Service Life [ASL] ?

1st the usual 4~6~8 Year 'claimed' Life of a CFL Bulb
is in the Up-Right {Base-Down} Position.
http://www.coejl.org/greensyn/CFL%20USDOE.gif

Oops - A CFL in the Base-Up Position : Cut the
Average Service Use [ASU] in Half !
-and- Oops Oops - A CFL in the Base-Up Position :
Often Reduces the Light Output by 10%~15% ?

2nd the usual 4~6~8 Year 'claimed' Life of a CFL Bulb
is for only a low average of 4-Hours Use per Day [HU/D]
4 X 365 = 1460 = One Years Average Service Use [OYASU]
6000 Hours Rated CFL Life = 4 OYASU
That's About 4-Years Average Service Use [ASU]

CFL's that are in 24/7 Service Use for 365 Days {1-Year}
Have Run for 8760 Hours which is roughly 6-Year ASU.
which is all used up in one year.

Had some 24/7 locations on a job where the old Long-Life
Incandescent Light Bulbs were on a 2-Month Replacement
Cycle {Usually Burned-Out} that required the Use of a Ladder.
* The new CFLs Averaged 1-Year before Burning Out
* Eliminated 5 of the 6 Annual Hours on that Ladder
{Saved 5 Hours of Labor}
* Used 1/4th the Electricity
* That was 4 Exit Signs Inside and 6 Outside-Lights
{3 for the Outside Front}
+ Up Graded the Inside Exit Signs to Red LEDs a few
years back; and have not replace them since. :o)

IMHO : All CFL Bulbs Should be Enclosed in Glass or
Plastic Envelopes for Environmental Safe Handling
http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/user-71/Parts_of_CFL_large.jpg
-or-this-
http://www.dannylipford.com/images/article/cfl-bulbs.jpg
-and-
http://image.made-in-china.com/4f0j00qBGtSUQzsPoZ/Globe-Energy-Saving-Lamp-CFL-Globe-.jpg
-plus-
http://www.thedailygreen.com/cm/thedailygreen/images/Vk/regular-lights08-lg.jpg
.
.

[John Smith]

On 4/19/2011 3:37 PM, First Post wrote:

> ...

> I was at a location today where I noticed they had a trash can half
> full of those CFLs. They were the ones that were supposed to last up
> to 9 years. According to my client they were all less than a year
> old. And now they are where the majority of the blow ones will end
> up. In a regular old trash can destined for a landfill.
> How's that for being "green"?
> Dumping mercury and a couple other deadly toxins directly into the
> ground.
> Just another scam perpetrated in the name of the environment that is
> in reality just a quick grab for cash and is worse for the environment
> than the coal being used to power the old fashioned incandescents.
> One more in a growing line of "AlGorisms".
>
>
>

Fluorescent is a great way to go ... however, the old fluorescent were
much more green ... first of all, you didn't replace (throw away) the
ballast every time you changed the bulb.

Should just have an adapter containing the ballast and just replace the
SHO fluorescent "curly Q" tube, tons of ballasts filling land fills is
completely senseless!

Regards,
JS

[Brenda Ann]

"John Smith" wrote in message news:iold5k$7m7$8...@dont-email.me...

Regards,
JS

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Our outdoor security lights (56 watt CFL's with the lumens of a 500 watt
halide lamp) have replaceable lamps (mogul base) with the ballast contained
in the fixture. Too bad this isn't a useful way to go for household
lighting.

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Back in the 1970s at a W.T.Grant department store that used to be on
Ellis Ave near Highway 80 I bought a Philips made in the Netherlands CFL
light bulb thingy.The bulb lasted over seventeen years before it finally
burned out.I still have it right here, it is on a shelf in one of my
bathroom cabinets now.If I could find a new bulb for it, I have no doubt
I could use it for a bunch of more years.
cuhulin

[dave]

On 4/19/2011 1:26 PM, DEFCON 88 wrote:

USAF wouldn't cooperate. Those control panels are mockups from the props
department; they used photos. Gotta love the young James Earl Jones.

[dave]

On 4/19/2011 6:45 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:
>

>
> Our outdoor security lights (56 watt CFL's with the lumens of a 500 watt
> halide lamp) have replaceable lamps (mogul base) with the ballast
> contained in the fixture. Too bad this isn't a useful way to go for
> household lighting.

New construction uses permanent ballast CFLs. The medium Edison base CFL
lamps are a transitional deal.

[dave]

http://badgerherald.com/oped/2011/04/20/fiscal_martial_law_s.php

The implementation of Fiscal Martial Law in Michigan and the raising
specter of such legislation’s enactment in Wisconsin make it clearer
than ever the true nature of the enemy. The Republican assault on our
democratic values, local governance and workers’ right to have a voice
in the work place can best be described as a fascist coup-d’état. In the
words of Mussolini, “fascism should more properly be called corporatism
because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” The Republicans’
bare-knuckle dedication to cutting taxes on corporations at the expense
of the deficit and the middle class exemplifies their loyalty to
corporate interests over those of every-day Americans. Perhaps more so
than any measure rolled out in recent months, Michigan Gov. Rick
Snyder’s implementation of Fiscal Martial Law legislation leaves no room
for ambiguity in the Republican gameplan.

[dave]

http://www.truth-out.org/node/1239

Zeeg Heil, y'all!

[RHF]

CFL Light Bulbs : What Fits... Works !
Creating 'Instant' Consumer Acceptance
.
It's about having a CFL Bulb Screw-In-and-Glow Instant
Replacement for the same-size & same-shape-factor
[A19] older Incandescent Bulbs and simply using
the existing home electrical fixtures.
* A19 Light Bulb
http://www.donsbulbs.com/bulbs/g632/g/a19.gif
http://trinorthlighting.com/Store/images/Ceramic_Orange_Light_Bulb.jpg

The CFL's Built-in Ballast makes it a Ready-Fit for
any E27 Socket; and in the USA that is 95.44% of
all American Home Light Fixtures.
* E27 Screw-In Base
http://www.productdose.com/images/custom/cfl_light_bulb.jpg
http://dailyhomerenotips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Incandescent-vs-Philips-LED-vs-CFL-A19-Light-Bulbs.jpg

-but- They do make Non-Ballast CFL that Plug-In
to newer 2-Pin and 4-Pin Fixtures
http://www.allproducts.com/ee/bistar/Product-20097715241.html
.
NOTE : LED's also use a Plug-N-Glow Instant
Replacement "A19" size & shape-factor
http://images-en.busytrade.com/181580300/B60-E27-Lightbulb-Led-Smd.jpg
Along with the E27 Base for the very same reason
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00MeBQadigEZob/8W-E27-Multi-Size-LED-Light-Bulb-LED-Lamp.jpg
http://www.manufacturer.com/cimages/buyLeads/www.alibaba.com/0502/j/E27_led_bulb.jpg
.
.

[RHF]

OK Once Again 'Special-Dave' Over-Medicates Himself
with Medical-Marijuana and Get Dressed-Up in His
Mussolini-Fascism-Corporatism Dress Black Shirt
http://images0.cpcache.com/product/socialist-politics-mussolini/37519700v2_225x225_Front.jpg
.
'Special-Dave' : You Are What You 'Fascistly'
Rant and Rave About !
-rant-on-special-dave-rant-on-special-dave-
.
Dave, Dave, Dave : Once Again You Prove
That You Are NO Libertarian of any Stripe
-but- an Intolerant Elitist* With Liberal-Fascist
Anti-Individual-Freedom Big Brother Union Tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/920c3f7fdd38ee9b
Always Amazed by those who claim to be "Libertarians"
so-called Champions of Individual Rights and Personal
Freedoms : Who Instantly Resort to Name Calling and
Vulgarities : Proving that they really are completely
Intolerant Progressive Elitists -aka- Liberal-Fascists :
Who Attack Any Believer Who Is Not The Right Kind
of Liberal Secualrist and Toe The Liberal Line.
* Telling You What You Can and Can't Say
* Telling You What You Can and Can't Think
* Telling You What You Can and Can't Do
* Telling You How You Can and Can't Live
* Defining How Minorities Must Think
* Demanding How Minorities Must Act
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7f00e5d20874c831
= Elitist Control Freaks = Overlords of the Workers =
= Controlling Elitists = Overlords of the Unions =
= Labor Imperialist = Oppressors of Working People =
-and- Proclaimer of Your A Fascist !
.
.

[RHF]

On Apr 20, 5:12 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:

- http://www.truth-out.gro/node/1239
-
- Zeeg Heil, y'all!
.

.
'Special-Dave' : You Are What You 'Fascistly'

Rant and Rave "Zeeg Heil, y'all!" About !

Once Again 'Special-Dave' Over-Medicates Himself
with Medical-Marijuana and Get Dressed-Up in His

Mussolini-Fascism-Corporatism Black T-Shirt and
starts yelling : "Zeeg Heil, Y'All !" "Zeeg Heil, Y'All !"
http://images0.cpcache.com/product/socialist-politics-mussolini/37519700v2_225x225_Front.jpg
.
Dave -fyi- It's spelled "Sieg Heil" -not- 'Zeeg Heil'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute
~translation~ Hail Victory
.
.

[John Smith]

On 4/20/2011 5:57 AM, RHF wrote:

> ...

> The CFL's Built-in Ballast makes it a Ready-Fit for
> any E27 Socket; and in the USA that is 95.44% of
> all American Home Light Fixtures.
> * E27 Screw-In Base
> http://www.productdose.com/images/custom/cfl_light_bulb.jpg
> http://dailyhomerenotips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Incandescent-vs-Philips-LED-vs-CFL-A19-Light-Bulbs.jpg
>
> -but- They do make Non-Ballast CFL that Plug-In
> to newer 2-Pin and 4-Pin Fixtures
> http://www.allproducts.com/ee/bistar/Product-20097715241.html
> .
> NOTE : LED's also use a Plug-N-Glow Instant

> Replacement "A19" size& shape-factor

> http://images-en.busytrade.com/181580300/B60-E27-Lightbulb-Led-Smd.jpg
> Along with the E27 Base for the very same reason
> http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00MeBQadigEZob/8W-E27-Multi-Size-LED-Light-Bulb-LED-Lamp.jpg
> http://www.manufacturer.com/cimages/buyLeads/www.alibaba.com/0502/j/E27_led_bulb.jpg
> .

I can see what the problem is now. We are all talking about CFL's to
light your house, yard, business with ... SD (Special Dave) is talking
about MARIJUANA GROW LIGHTS!

I just think he needs more wattage ... tokin' all the dope has his
basement so smoked up he can't see the keyboard and screen and keeps
typing gibberish ... maybe a fan to move the smoke outdoors would work.
But then, the whole neighborhood would probably end up being stoned!

Bongster dave might consider getting a new hobby ...

I am going to look around and see what is available to replace my
existing fixtures with which has a permanent ballast with just
replaceable bulbs. Maybe it is available here and I have just missed 'em!

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Hang on long enough,,,, Improvements in LED lights and also lower prices
of those lights are in the works.
Other kinds of lights too, wall and ceiling panels that light up at the
turn of a switch.
Aints moderen teknology wunnerful?
cuhulin

[dave]

[dave]

On 04/20/2011 07:01 AM, John Smith wrote:

> I am going to look around and see what is available to replace my
> existing fixtures with which has a permanent ballast with just
> replaceable bulbs. Maybe it is available here and I have just missed 'em!
>
> Regards,
> JS
>

http://www.google.com/search?q=cfl%20architectural%20fixture&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1121&bih=817

[RHF]

Presently you need an 11 Watt LED Light Bulb
to Replace a 100 Watt Rated Incandescent Bulb
-but- I has to be Shaped and Configured to provide
All-A-Round Light like the old A19 Bulbs did

-or- You Need an 7 Watt LED Light Bulb to Replace
a 65 Watt Rated Incandescent PAR-30 Bulb
-easy-to- Be Shaped and Configured to provide
The 60*~90* Spot Light like the PAR-30 Bulbs do
.
For the next 3~5 Years CFL's are the better Energy
Use and more Cost Effective 'replacement' for older
Incandescent Light Bulbs. - imho ~ RHF
.
.

[RHF]

On Apr 20, 7:01 am, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/20/2011 5:57 AM, RHF wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > ...
> > The CFL's Built-in Ballast makes it a Ready-Fit for
> > any E27 Socket; and in the USA that is 95.44% of
> > all American Home Light Fixtures.
> > * E27 Screw-In Base
> >http://www.productdose.com/images/custom/cfl_light_bulb.jpg

> >http://dailyhomerenotips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Incandescent-...

>
> > -but- They do make Non-Ballast CFL that Plug-In
> > to newer 2-Pin and 4-Pin Fixtures
> >http://www.allproducts.com/ee/bistar/Product-20097715241.html
> >   .
> > NOTE : LED's also use a Plug-N-Glow Instant
> > Replacement "A19" size&  shape-factor
> >http://images-en.busytrade.com/181580300/B60-E27-Lightbulb-Led-Smd.jpg
> > Along with the E27 Base for the very same reason

> >http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00MeBQadigEZob/8W-E27-Multi-Size-L...
> >http://www.manufacturer.com/cimages/buyLeads/www.alibaba.com/0502/j/E...

> >   .
>
> I can see what the problem is now.  We are all talking about CFL's to
> light your house, yard, business with ... SD (Special Dave) is talking
> about MARIJUANA GROW LIGHTS!
>
> I just think he needs more wattage ... tokin' all the dope has his
> basement so smoked up he can't see the keyboard and screen and keeps
> typing gibberish ... maybe a fan to move the smoke outdoors would work.
>   But then, the whole neighborhood would probably end up being stoned!
>
> Bongster dave might consider getting a new hobby ...
>
> I am going to look around and see what is available to replace my
> existing fixtures with which has a permanent ballast with just
> replaceable bulbs.   Maybe it is available here and I have just missed 'em!
>
> Regards,
> JS

Use 3 of these 24" over one shelf of the Green House
10'x12' in the Garden to Start Plants and Grow Sprouts :
225 Red/Blue LED Plant Grow Light Panel
110VAC @ 14 Watt
http://cgi.ebay.com/320687448001
.

[John Smith]

When the LEDs get cheap enough to swap fluorescents with, I will ...
just as I did incandescent with fluorescent ... I already use them for
plant growth in my aquariums.

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Why not One LED Light and some Fiber Optic 'wireing' to replace all of
the Lights in a house?
That isn't my original Idea, I Plagiarized it from what somebody said a
few months ago at
http://www.libertypost.org
cuhulin, Plagiarizing R US

[cuh...@webtv.net]

I Loves home grown maters.I wonders if I buy some Grow Lights if I can
grow some home grown maters inside my house?
cuhulin

[John Smith]

Why not just one of the BIG 500 watt security lights (uses only 56w of
power) which Brenda mentioned? Just turn it on in the living room and
the light going down the hallways and into the rooms illuminates the
whole house!

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

There is an underground building (the entire building isn't underground)
in Minneapolis.They have a mirror system which directs Sunlight above
the ground to under the ground to light up the areas down there.If you
look in Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines or on the
Internet you will see an ad about a mirror thingy you can buy and
install on the roof of your house.Of course Sunlights (non mirror) have
been around for many, many years.Everybody knows about them.
cuhulin

[John Smith]

I always check with experts before doing anything solar ...

There is a great nudist beach over on the coast with a lot of nice women
who will share their knowledge about the sun with you ... over a nice
cold beer ... on a blanket ...

Well, a guy can dream! But, I don't tell the wife about the dreams. LOL

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

One time when I was at Daytona Beach, I told some of those Bikini clad
(eleven inches of kite string) wimmins, Y'all turn over now and cook the
other side! All they did was laugh at me.They knew they were cooked.

I Guarantee you, that Sunlight in Florida is Different than here in
Missy Sippy.I never have gooten Sunburnt in Missy Sippy, I have never
needed to put on any Suntan loation in Missy Sippy either.First time I
went to Daytona Beach I didn't think about sloshing on any Bull Frog
suntan loation.That Florida Sun Burnt the Pizz out of me! My legs and
feet started warming up, BIG Blisters showed up.I was Hurting!
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

New Lightbulbs In Cancer Scare
http://www.rense.com

I already have (Hoarding) more than enough G.E.Reveal 60 Watt
Incandescant Light Bulbs to last me for years and years.Next time I go
to the store I am going to buy and Hoard that many more G.E.Reveal 60
Watt Incandescant Light Bulbs.I will have me and doggy a Life Time
Supply of those Real G.E.Reveal Incandescant Light Bulbs.
cuhulin, Real Light Bulbs R US

[dave]

Sounds like a good application for that radar bulb they invented about
15 years ago. The one that interferes with WiFi. What was the name of
that thing? It had a medium that was excited by a magnetron or something.

[dave]

I buy them when they're marked down for a sale. I have 2.

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Camp Shelby,Missy Sippy has a new Light, a Traffic Light.
http://www.clarionledger.com

Movin on UP, finally got a Lightttttttt of their ownnnn,,,,,,
cuhulin

[dxAce]

dave wrote:

Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication checked,
and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.

[Brenda Ann]

"dxAce" wrote in message news:4DB00605...@milestones.com...

dave wrote:

>Stuff...

Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication
checked,
and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.

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Steve, what part of the wholesale disenfranchisement of the City of Benton
Harbor in order to give it away to build a friggin' golf course is "unreal"?
I can't think of a single instance of government overreach that even comes
close.

[dave]

Thanks Lare. I just had a checkup at the shrink's office last Monday.
Nothing curable I'm afraid.

[dave]

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Upper Missy Sippy has some full on 'weather' right now.Ergo, I am
watchin WAPT 16 tee vee for the severe thunderstorms and flash flooding
watches, map and scrolling thingys at the bottom of my tee set.

What it is, Live With Regis and Kelly on there.They trotted out that
jazzed up War Horse.Kelly asked the guy who is taking Regis place, Will
you mount that horse.He told Kelly, For you, I would mount any time!
cuhulin, the War Horse

[RHF]

On Apr 20, 8:21 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> On 04/20/2011 06:20 AM, RHF wrote:
>
> > On Apr 20, 5:04 am, dave<d...@dave.dave>  wrote:
> >>http://badgerherald.com/oped/2011/04/20/fiscal_martial_law_s.php
>
> >> The implementation of Fiscal Martial Law in Michigan and the raising
> >> specter of such legislation’s enactment in Wisconsin make it clearer
> >> than ever the true nature of the enemy. The Republican assault on our
> >> democratic values, local governance and workers’ right to have a voice
> >> in the work place can best be described as a fascist coup-d’état. In the
> >> words of Mussolini, “fascism should more properly be called corporatism
> >> because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” The Republicans’
> >> bare-knuckle dedication to cutting taxes on corporations at the expense
> >> of the deficit and the middle class exemplifies their loyalty to
> >> corporate interests over those of every-day Americans. Perhaps more so
> >> than any measure rolled out in recent months, Michigan Gov. Rick
> >> Snyder’s implementation of Fiscal Martial Law legislation leaves no room
> >> for ambiguity in the Republican gameplan.
>
> > OK Once Again 'Special-Dave' Over-Medicates Himself
> > with Medical-Marijuana and Get Dressed-Up in His
> > Mussolini-Fascism-Corporatism Dress Black Shirt

> >http://images0.cpcache.com/product/socialist-politics-mussolini/37519...
> >   .

'Special-*-Dave' -wrt- "Eminent Domain on Strychnine
Laced LSD" -your- Eminent Domain {Body & Brain}
would appear to be over-toxified by Strychnine Laced
LSD combined with your Medical-Marijuana use.

? ...so... 'Special-*-Dave' are you now Doctoring-Up
your Medical-Marijuana with Strychnine Laced LSD !

'Special-*-Dave' do you cook-up your own Strychnine ?
-or- buy it on-the-streets ?
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/strychnine/basics/facts.asp

'Special-*-Dave' do you cook-up your own LSD ?
-or- buy it on-the-streets ?
http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/hallucinogens.html

'Special-*-Dave' it would seam that your problems
go way beyond simple Medical-Marijuana Over-Use !

* Dead-Head back-yard pharmacist poisoning the
neighborhood and a hazard to the local environment.
-does-the-'haz-mat'-team-have-your-home-dialed-in-?-

'Special-*-Dave' Please Get Help ! ~ RHF
.

[dave]

On 04/21/2011 09:41 AM, RHF wrote:
> On Apr 20, 8:21 am, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>> On 04/20/2011 06:20 AM, RHF wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 20, 5:04 am, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>>>> http://badgerherald.com/oped/2011/04/20/fiscal_martial_law_s.php
>>
>>>> The implementation of Fiscal Martial Law in Michigan and the raising
>>>> specter of such legislation’s enactment in Wisconsin make it clearer
>>>> than ever the true nature of the enemy. The Republican assault on our
>>>> democratic values, local governance and workers’ right to have a voice
>>>> in the work place can best be described as a fascist coup-d’état. In the
>>>> words of Mussolini, “fascism should more properly be called corporatism
>>>> because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” The Republicans’
>>>> bare-knuckle dedication to cutting taxes on corporations at the expense
>>>> of the deficit and the middle class exemplifies their loyalty to
>>>> corporate interests over those of every-day Americans. Perhaps more so
>>>> than any measure rolled out in recent months, Michigan Gov. Rick
>>>> Snyder’s implementation of Fiscal Martial Law legislation leaves no room
>>>> for ambiguity in the Republican gameplan.
>>
>>> OK Once Again 'Special-Dave' Over-Medicates Himself
>>> with Medical-Marijuana and Get Dressed-Up in His
>>> Mussolini-Fascism-Corporatism Dress Black Shirt
>>> http://images0.cpcache.com/product/socialist-politics-mussolini/37519...
>>> .
>
> 'Special-*-Dave' -wrt- "Eminent Domain on Strychnine

> Laced LSD" -your- Eminent Domain {Body& Brain}

[Joe from Kokomo]

> dave wrote:
>
>> Stuff...

"dxAce" wrote in message news:4DB00605...@milestones.com...

> Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication

> checked, and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.

On 4/21/2011 8:58 AM, Brenda Ann wrote:

> Steve, what part of the wholesale disenfranchisement of the City of

> Benton Harbor [Michigan] in order to give it away to build a friggin' golf

> course is "unreal"? I can't think of a single instance of government
> overreach that even comes close.

Yes, the fine Republican Governor Snyder of Michigan that Lare helped
vote into office turned out to be a closet DICTATOR, throwing out of
office the duly and freely elected city officials of Benton Harbor,
going against the *core values* of this country.

The only "justice" that may come out of this is when Snyder starts
taxing Lare's pension (assuming Lare gets one) and Ryan guts Medicaid,
Medicare and Social Security that Lare may be on.

Possibly that will give him a little "buyer's regret".

Bwahahahaha...

[dxAce]

Brenda Ann wrote:

I guess you're just not as familiar with Benton Harbor as many of us here in SW
Michigan are!

[RHF]

Dave - I Simply Cite : What You Write !

no doctoring required ~ RHF
.
.

[dxAce]

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

As far as I know there will be no gutting of Social Security as I know it and am
currently collecting. However, as I calculated a few weeks ago, I could continue
to draw my current benefit out of savings for 198 months and that doesn't even
include what I receive from my two pensions.

My standard advice to all: Go to work and save and invest your money. If
necessary get two jobs. Bottom line, save as best as you can, and do your best
to avoid living paycheck to paycheck.

[dxAce]

dxAce wrote:

I remember one interesting moment at a factory I was working at (2nd shift) when I
mentioned to a gal that I'd worked that morning at another job. She said, why do you
do that, you can't take that money with you when you die.

My reply was, yes, I know that Susie, but I don't plan on dying tomorrow!

And by golly I didn't!

[John Smith]

On 4/21/2011 3:55 PM, dxAce wrote:

> ...

> As far as I know there will be no gutting of Social Security as I know it and am
> currently collecting. However, as I calculated a few weeks ago, I could continue
> to draw my current benefit out of savings for 198 months and that doesn't even
> include what I receive from my two pensions.
>
> My standard advice to all: Go to work and save and invest your money. If
> necessary get two jobs. Bottom line, save as best as you can, and do your best
> to avoid living paycheck to paycheck.
>

Excellent advice for public service workers protected by unions,
longshoremen still with a strong union, excellent wages, adequate
benefits and retirement, for small business owners (a disappearing
breed), people like me who worked union and had my own small business
(transferring it to family now I am retired), etc. but not so good for
the 18%+ who are unemployed in my area. They are not unemployed because
they want to be, but simply because their jobs are in china, india,
indonesia, etc.

Working two jobs has always meant putting together full employment for
yourself, even if it takes two jobs, until you have a ~40-48 hr. work
week. Now, the slave masters have stepped in and they are expecting
people to work 80 hr work weeks! Insanity! I only did this when it was
my own business, my boss was myself, I had complete control over my
working conditions, I chose the people to help me (employees), my hours,
breaks, etc., and I got all the profits from my intensive labors. I
have to admit, I would have NEVER done that for two minimum wage jobs
... one of my neighbors is doing that, it is hard to watch ... a year
and a half of watching him and I can't see him getting ahead at all, he
fears being laid off one job as I write this. I think what he has been
though would have killed most men.

If you have a problem, and you apply a fix --- and you still have the
problem, so you reapply the fix ... at some point, it becomes obvious,
the problem is the fix and NOT the problem!

We will know, almost immediately, when the right things start being done
... from that point on, things will only get better ... that stands in
stark comparison to conditions now ...

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Yesterday I was listening to Dave Ramsey on his radio talk show.Several
times he said, You can not borrow your way out of debt.
I reclon he is right about that.
cuhulin

[Joe from Kokomo]

>
>
> Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
>>> dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stuff...
>>
>> "dxAce" wrote in message news:4DB00605...@milestones.com...
>>
>>> Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication
>>> checked, and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.
>>
>> On 4/21/2011 8:58 AM, Brenda Ann wrote:
>>
>>> Steve, what part of the wholesale disenfranchisement of the City of
>>> Benton Harbor [Michigan] in order to give it away to build a friggin' golf
>>> course is "unreal"? I can't think of a single instance of government
>>> overreach that even comes close.
>>
>> Yes, the fine Republican Governor Snyder of Michigan that Lare helped
>> vote into office turned out to be a closet DICTATOR, throwing out of
>> office the duly and freely elected city officials of Benton Harbor,
>> going against the *core values* of this country.
>>
>> The only "justice" that may come out of this is when Snyder starts
>> taxing Lare's pension (assuming Lare gets one) and Ryan guts Medicaid,
>> Medicare and Social Security that Lare may be on.

On 4/21/2011 6:55 PM, dxAce wrote:

> As far as I know there will be no gutting of Social Security as I know it and am
> currently collecting. However, as I calculated a few weeks ago, I could continue
> to draw my current benefit out of savings for 198 months and that doesn't even
> include what I receive from my two pensions.

Well, here's hoping Snyder doesn't tax both your pensions like he is
trying his damnedest to do.

> My standard advice to all: Go to work and save and invest your money. If
> necessary get two jobs. Bottom line, save as best as you can, and do your best
> to avoid living paycheck to paycheck.

Bravo! EXCELLENT advice (not sure about the two jobs, though...a sad
commentary on life today). However, please don't lose sight of the main
topic of this thread; i.e. Snyder the dictator.

[Joe from Kokomo]

> Brenda Ann wrote:
>
>> "dxAce" wrote in message news:4DB00605...@milestones.com...
>>
>> dave wrote:
>>
>>> Stuff...
>>
>> Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication
>> checked,
>> and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Steve, what part of the wholesale disenfranchisement of the City of Benton
>> Harbor in order to give it away to build a friggin' golf course is "unreal"?
>> I can't think of a single instance of government overreach that even comes
>> close.

On 4/21/2011 5:12 PM, dxAce wrote:

> I guess you're just not as familiar with Benton Harbor as many of us here in SW
> Michigan are!

Yeah, even in Kokomo some might call Benton Harbor a "bad neighborhood".
However, that does not justify a dictator. For criminal wrong doing, we
have the criminal justice system (it works -- your (former) Detroit
mayor is in the pen) and if the citizens don't like the politics, they
have the recall process (like the mayor of Miami that was recalled a
couple of months ago). Two procedures that are in place and work,
dictators need not apply.

But like Brenda said, what Snyder did was dictatorial and goes against
everything this country stands for. Sure, Mussolini made the trains run
on time, but...do we really want a dictator?

[dxAce]

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

If so, then there have been other take-overs by other Michigan Governors (Democrat and
Republican), especially with the Detroit school system.

Bottom line is that others have to jump in to save things when the clown 'tards run
amok.

[dxAce]

dxAce wrote:

Much like that city in California, where fairly recently the clown 'tards decided to vote
themselves a great largess at the expense of the taxpayers.

Can't remember the name of the town... but I figure a few of them will go to jail/prison.

[Brenda Ann]

"dxAce" wrote in message news:4DB09DAB...@milestones.com...

Brenda Ann wrote:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't need to be familiar with Benton Harbor, only the laws of the United
States of America which preclude the illegal actions of Michigan's governor.

[dave]

Two full time jobs at minimum wage will get you 30K a year.

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Watchin 10:00 PM WAPT 16 tee vee noos, Grammy Museum is coming full on
to Missy Sippy.
http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=Grammy+Museum+in+Mississippi

Speaking of full on Los Angeles, article at http://www.rense.com
says full on Japanese Nuclear Radiation now in LA Tapwater.

Y'all, Don't drank der Water!
cuhulin

[dxAce]

dave wrote:

Wow, I'm amazed that you can still do simple math. Somebody help you?

[John Smith]

On 4/21/2011 8:12 PM, dave wrote:

>> ...

> Two full time jobs at minimum wage will get you 30K a year.

A clerk-typist job with the county will get you around that, and better
benefits, in California, and a 5% automatic raise every year!

I didn't know minimum wage was so desirable ...

Regards,
JS

[Joe from Kokomo]

On 4/21/2011 7:54 PM, dxAce wrote:

> Bottom line is that others have to jump in to save things when the clown 'tards run
> amok.

Yes, we just differ on how they should "jump in". I favor the criminal
justice system or the recall process, as appropriate. You favor,
literally, a dictator. Your attitude makes it a little bit clearer how
dictators get in power, by people looking for quick answers.
Unfortunately, IMHO your 'solution', in this country, goes against the
core values and very foundation of our country.

[Joe from Kokomo]

On 4/21/2011 8:41 PM, dxAce wrote:

> Much like that city in California, where fairly recently the clown 'tards decided to vote
> themselves a great largess at the expense of the taxpayers.

Yes...and they were caught by the criminal justice system, not a dictator.

> Can't remember the name of the town...

Bell, California, I believe.

> but I figure a few of them will go to jail/prison.

As well they should.

[Joe from Kokomo]

> On 4/21/2011 8:12 PM, dave wrote:
>
>>> ...
>> Two full time jobs at minimum wage will get you 30K a year.

On 4/22/2011 4:02 AM, John Smith wrote:

> A clerk-typist job with the county will get you around that, and better
> benefits, in California, and a 5% automatic raise every year!
>
> I didn't know minimum wage was so desirable ...

Huh? Desirable? What rock have you been hiding under? Looked at the
economy and job market lately? People would kill for your "clerk-typist
job with the county [that] will get you around that [$30K], and better
benefits, in California, and a 5% automatic raise every year".

[dxAce]

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

You're thinking of Obama's 'solution', not mine there, 'tard boy.

[dave]

Out on Highway sixty-one

[dave]

On 04/22/2011 12:32 AM, dxAce wrote:
>

>> Two full time jobs at minimum wage will get you 30K a year.
>
> Wow, I'm amazed that you can still do simple math. Somebody help you?
>
>

No. I actually care about poor people.

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Get a job with the TDOT (Texas Department Of Transportation) You can get
filthy Rich.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=306589
cuhulin

[John Smith]

WOW!

Economy is even worse than I thought! The neighbors daughter completed
jr college and is working for the county while completing here degree at
the four year, nights and weekends! She grabbed the county job to make
ends meet and have a decent apt.

I thought $30k for a two year college ed was pretty standard. You do
know the city cops here start at $50k with 6 months training and a
couple of jr college classes, right?

Where do you live, the Ozarks?

I guess I should have said, " ... at or NEAR minimum wage."

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

NYC Cab Drivers Get Bulletproof Vest
http://www.rense.com

I think there are only two taxicab companies in Jackson, (I might look
in my phonebook) and only a few taxicabs too.I hardly ever see any of
those taxicabs around here.One of those taxicab companies is about a
mile or less than a mile West, on Highway 80, assuming it is still
there?
cuhulin

[John Smith]

You can't find a taxi cab in my city, either. The taxi drivers end up
beaten, robbed and murdered. A few years ago one of the taxi drivers
carried a .357 and blew away his attempted robber ... they arrested the
driver, but due to public outcry, the DA dropped charges ...

Still, there is just too much chit around taxis, the cost of insurance,
etc. for anyone to want to make it a business ... if your car breaks
down, better hope its still light out and the busses are still running!

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

The Fastest way Out of NYC, if a big enough Hurricane or a big enough
Earthquake hits, is a Bicycle.

There are Eight Million Bicycles (Stories) in the Naked City.
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=Jackson+Mississippi+Taxicab+Companies

Looking in my phonebook, I see, A-Taxi & Courier, Citi-Cab Co, Deluxe
Cab Co, Jackson Taxi, Veterans Cab Co, and Yellow Cab Co.
I reckon they all hang out at the Airport and Train Station/Bus
Station.At least one of the Hotels has a free shuttle bus service back
and forth to and from the Airport, I think.No bulletproof vest though.
cuhulin, Taxicabs R US

[John Smith]

Just the cost of a garage to keep your car in, in NYC is more than a
nice 3 bd room apt in California!

No one owns a car in NYC (you always wonder where all the cars come from
which clog traffic?) it is much quicker to walk in most situations ...
where you must use a car, it is a taxi!

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

On 4/22/2011 9:58 AM, cuh...@webtv.net wrote:

> I think.No bulletproof vest though.
> cuhulin, Taxicabs R US
>

LOL

I bet, if you drive taxi, one of those is deductible on your tax return!

I can imagine an ad for bullet proof vests. Ad shows a taxi driver in a
fierce gun battle with two thugs. Thugs end up bleeding and dying on
the ground, plenty of blood running on the sidewalk ... taxi driver
steps up from behind the cab, bullet proof vest has a few lead slugs
hanging, dropping off ... driver has a big smile showing shark-like
teeth and says, "I wouldn't leave home without my bullet proof vest."
... as he reloads his .357.

ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

[dave]

On 04/22/2011 09:02 AM, John Smith wrote:

>
> You can't find a taxi cab in my city, either. The taxi drivers end up
> beaten, robbed and murdered. A few years ago one of the taxi drivers
> carried a .357 and blew away his attempted robber ... they arrested the
> driver, but due to public outcry, the DA dropped charges ...
>

Cabs should require plastic (debit or credit).

[John Smith]

In this day and age, with the interest and criminal fees, charges, fines
on credit cards, everyone is cutting them up and attempting to crawl out
from under thousands of dollars of debit ...

I think that would pretty well limit the number of taxis which could
make a go of it ... in NYC that just might work ... still, I think a big
portion of their business probably comes from people who have lost all
their credit cards ...

I know a lot of credit checks I am running on potential renters/lessees
are coming back showing that trend ...

Regards,
JS

[Joe from Kokomo]

On 4/22/2011 8:29 AM, dxAce wrote:

> You're thinking of Obama's 'solution', not mine there, 'tard boy.

WTF are you talking about?

No, I'm not "thinking of Obama's 'solution'". No one even brought up
Obama in this thread.

If you recall, the ENTIRE topic was about *Snyder's* dictatorial actions
in Benton Harbor. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Obama.

P.S. Interesting...you came very close to having a reasonable
debate...and then fell back into your old name-calling habit. It's
Friday. Getting an early start on your weekend "celebrations"? As
always, please do not mix alcohol with your pain meds.

[Joe from Kokomo]

> On 4/22/2011 5:04 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/21/2011 8:12 PM, dave wrote:
>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>> Two full time jobs at minimum wage will get you 30K a year.
>>
>> On 4/22/2011 4:02 AM, John Smith wrote:
>>
>>> A clerk-typist job with the county will get you around that, and
>>> better benefits, in California, and a 5% automatic raise every
>>> year!
>>>
>>> I didn't know minimum wage was so desirable ...
>>
>> Huh? Desirable? What rock have you been hiding under? Looked at
>> the economy and job market lately? People would kill for your
>> "clerk-typist job with the county [that] will get you around that
>> [$30K], and better benefits, in California, and a 5% automatic
>> raise every year".

On 4/22/2011 11:01 AM, John Smith wrote:

> WOW!
>
> Economy is even worse than I thought! The neighbors daughter
> completed jr college and is working for the county while completing
> here degree at the four year, nights and weekends! She grabbed the
> county job to make ends meet and have a decent apt.
>
> I thought $30k for a two year college ed was pretty standard.

Again, what rock are you living under? There are many, many FOUR year
laid off engineering graduates that are working fast food and would kill
for a $30K job with a municipality.

> You do know the city cops here start at $50k with 6 months training
> and a couple of jr college classes, right?

Well, actually, I don't know -- because I don't know where "here" is.
Furthermore, in many big city metropolitan areas, they are LAYING OFF
police and fire, to say nothing of closing libraries, reducing city
services and reducing city staffs, either by layoffs or attrition.
Please try and take a wider view, rather than your local "here".

From every one of your over-abundance of posts here, it is clear that
you think you are a legend in your own mind, a "know-it-all", even
though it's abundantly clear that you don't.

Regards,
JfK

[John Smith]

On 4/22/2011 11:59 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

> ...

> From every one of your over-abundance of posts here, it is clear that
> you think you are a legend in your own mind, a "know-it-all", even
> though it's abundantly clear that you don't.
>
> Regards,
> JfK

Well, thanks for that!

However, this is a NG. I do it for fun. My posts of spur of the
minute, off the top of my head, express real thoughts and beliefs and
facts and truths as I realize them to be. I don't spend much time on
them as they are just a "hobby."

If it appears I put that much effort into them, great! But, even a
letter to the editor, or an email/letter to my congressman/senator --
state or federal, gets much more thought!

I don't belittle nor minimize the unemployment problem(s.) Unemployment
it at 18%+, admitted (probably notable higher in reality.)

But, it mainly affects older workers, less educated workers, etc. I am
semi-retired and only have minimal duties in my own business ... I am
working towards full retirement, but have to shut myself down in an
orderly manner for best tax effects and the effects of other assuming
the business assets ... so, I probably am not as sharp on all this and
the new changes happening as those having a more active role ...

Hey, chill dude!

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

That Stripes movie with Bill Murray, he is a cab driver in NYC and the
passenger, instead of paying for the ride, he jumps out and starts
running like hell.
cuhulin

[John Smith]

At my age, the cabbie would have to be pretty old for that method to
work for me!

I guess I could carry a cane and hit him with it, just before I start
walking, at a fast rate!, and getting away!

ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

[dxAce]

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

It went right over your head, didn't it, boy?

[John Smith]

On 4/22/2011 3:40 PM, dxAce wrote:

>> ...

>> P.S. Interesting...you came very close to having a reasonable
>> debate...and then fell back into your old name-calling habit. It's
>> Friday. Getting an early start on your weekend "celebrations"? As
>> always, please do not mix alcohol with your pain meds.
>
> It went right over your head, didn't it, boy?
>
>

What? You trying to tell us you threw away your drugs and alcohol?

Yeah, guess we did miss it!

Hey, are you sure? Your text is still slurred!

Regards,
JS

[cuh...@webtv.net]

We got How Green Was My Valley on the Fox Movie Chanel.It comes on again
at 12:16 AM tonight.
Alllllllrighttttttttt,,,,,,,,

I have an olf raggity How Green Was My Valley book here.

And how Green is my Valley still.
Shanti and Divid sat in the warm glow of their Mum's e'e.
cuhulin

[RHF]

On Apr 20, 5:04 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> http://badgerherald.com/oped/2011/04/20/fiscal_martial_law_s.php
>
> The implementation of Fiscal Martial Law in Michigan and the raising
> specter of such legislation’s enactment in Wisconsin make it clearer
> than ever the true nature of the enemy. The Republican assault on our
> democratic values, local governance and workers’ right to have a voice
> in the work place can best be described as a fascist coup-d’état. In the
> words of Mussolini, “fascism should more properly be called corporatism
> because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” The Republicans’
> bare-knuckle dedication to cutting taxes on corporations at the expense
> of the deficit and the middle class exemplifies their loyalty to
> corporate interests over those of every-day Americans. Perhaps more so
> than any measure rolled out in recent months, Michigan Gov. Rick
> Snyder’s implementation of Fiscal Martial Law legislation leaves no room
> for ambiguity in the Republican gameplan.

Dave -your-subject-line-is-missing-a-word-to-make-it-true-
-was- OT: Upper Mid West Goes Full On Fascist
corrected- (OT) : Upper Mid West Goes Full On Liberal-Fascist !
.
.

[RHF]

On Apr 21, 5:58 am, "Brenda Ann" <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org>
wrote:
> "dxAce"  wrote in messagenews:4DB00605...@milestones.com...
> dave wrote:
> >Stuff...

>
> Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication
> checked,
> and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.
>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
> Steve, what part of the wholesale disenfranchisement of the City of Benton

> Harbor in order to give it away to build a friggin' golf course is "unreal"?

> I can't think of a single instance of government overreach that even comes
> close.

Oops -the-subject-line-is-missing-a-word-to-make-it-true-

-was- OT: Upper Mid West Goes Full On Fascist
corrected- (OT) : Upper Mid West Goes Full On Liberal-Fascist !

The Army of the Obama-Stasi© Is On The March
.
.

[RHF]

On Apr 21, 12:17 pm, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net> wrote:
> > dave wrote:
>
> >> Stuff...

> "dxAce" wrote in messagenews:4DB00605...@milestones.com...

> > Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication
> >  checked, and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.
>

> On 4/21/2011 8:58 AM, Brenda Ann wrote:
>

> > Steve, what part of the wholesale disenfranchisement of the City of

> > Benton Harbor [Michigan] in order to give it away to build a friggin' golf

> > course is "unreal"? I can't think of a single instance of government
> > overreach that even comes close.
>

> Yes, the fine Republican Governor Snyder of Michigan that Lare helped
> vote into office turned out to be a closet DICTATOR, throwing out of
> office the duly and freely elected city officials of Benton Harbor,
> going against the *core values* of this country.
>
> The only "justice" that may come out of this is when Snyder starts
> taxing Lare's pension (assuming Lare gets one) and Ryan guts Medicaid,
> Medicare and Social Security that Lare may be on.
>

> Possibly that will give him a little "buyer's regret".
>
> Bwahahahaha...

JfK -the-subject-line-is-missing-a-word-to-make-it-true-

-was- OT: Upper Mid West Goes Full On Fascist
corrected- (OT) : Upper Mid West Goes Full On Liberal-Fascist !

The Obama-Crats© Are In The Streets
.
.

[RHF]

On Apr 21, 4:48 pm, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net> wrote:

> > Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
> >>> dave wrote:
>
> >>>> Stuff...
>
> >> "dxAce" wrote in messagenews:4DB00605...@milestones.com...
>
> >>> Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication
> >>>   checked, and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.
>
> >> On 4/21/2011 8:58 AM, Brenda Ann wrote:
>
> >>> Steve, what part of the wholesale disenfranchisement of the City of
> >>> Benton Harbor [Michigan] in order to give it away to build a friggin' golf
> >>> course is "unreal"? I can't think of a single instance of government
> >>> overreach that even comes close.
>
> >> Yes, the fine Republican Governor Snyder of Michigan that Lare helped
> >> vote into office turned out to be a closet DICTATOR, throwing out of
> >> office the duly and freely elected city officials of Benton Harbor,
> >> going against the *core values* of this country.
>
> >> The only "justice" that may come out of this is when Snyder starts
> >> taxing Lare's pension (assuming Lare gets one) and Ryan guts Medicaid,
> >> Medicare and Social Security that Lare may be on.
>

> On 4/21/2011 6:55 PM, dxAce wrote:
>
> > As far as I know there will be no gutting of Social Security as I know it and am
> > currently collecting. However, as I calculated a few weeks ago, I could continue
> > to draw my current benefit out of savings for 198 months and that doesn't even
> > include what I receive from my two pensions.
>
> Well, here's hoping Snyder doesn't tax both your pensions like he is
> trying his damnedest to do.
>
> > My standard advice to all: Go to work and save and invest your money. If
> > necessary get two jobs. Bottom line, save as best as you can, and do your best
> > to avoid living paycheck to paycheck.
>
> Bravo! EXCELLENT advice (not sure about the two jobs, though...a sad
> commentary on life today). However, please don't lose sight of the main
> topic of this thread; i.e. Snyder the dictator.

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The Obama-Cadre© March In The Streets
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[John Smith]

Hey, you ain't feeding that dog of yours drugs and alcohol, are you?

Regards,
JS

[RHF]

On Apr 21, 8:12 pm, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:

> On 04/21/2011 03:55 PM, dxAce wrote:
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> > Joe from Kokomo wrote:
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> >>> dave wrote:
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> >>>> Stuff...
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> >> "dxAce" wrote in messagenews:4DB00605...@milestones.com...
>
> >>> Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication
> >>>   checked, and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.
>
> >> On 4/21/2011 8:58 AM, Brenda Ann wrote:
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> >>> Steve, what part of the wholesale disenfranchisement of the City of
> >>> Benton Harbor [Michigan] in order to give it away to build a friggin' golf
> >>> course is "unreal"? I can't think of a single instance of government
> >>> overreach that even comes close.
>
> >> Yes, the fine Republican Governor Snyder of Michigan that Lare helped
> >> vote into office turned out to be a closet DICTATOR, throwing out of
> >> office the duly and freely elected city officials of Benton Harbor,
> >> going against the *core values* of this country.
>
> >> The only "justice" that may come out of this is when Snyder starts
> >> taxing Lare's pension (assuming Lare gets one) and Ryan guts Medicaid,
> >> Medicare and Social Security that Lare may be on.
>

> > As far as I know there will be no gutting of Social Security as I know it and am
> > currently collecting. However, as I calculated a few weeks ago, I could continue
> > to draw my current benefit out of savings for 198 months and that doesn't even
> > include what I receive from my two pensions.
>

> > My standard advice to all: Go to work and save and invest your money. If
> > necessary get two jobs. Bottom line, save as best as you can, and do your best
> > to avoid living paycheck to paycheck.
>

> Two full time jobs at minimum wage will get you 30K a year.

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The Obama-Warriors© Take To The Streets
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[RHF]

Dave -your-subject-line-is-missing-a-word-to-make-it-true-

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The Obama-Troopers© Take To The Streets
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[RHF]

JfK -the-subject-line-is-missing-a-word-to-make-it-true-

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The Obama-Zombies© Take Over The Streets
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[arthr...@webtv.net]

No way . On 9/11 and August 2003 blackout the ONLY way out was to
walk . WALK .

[RHF]

On Apr 21, 4:50 pm, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net> wrote:

> > Brenda Ann wrote:
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> >> "dxAce"  wrote in messagenews:4DB00605...@milestones.com...
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> >> dave wrote:
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> >>> Stuff...

>
> >> Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication
> >> checked,
> >> and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.
>

> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
> >> Steve, what part of the wholesale disenfranchisement of the City of Benton

> >> Harbor in order to give it away to build a friggin' golf course is "unreal"?

> >> I can't think of a single instance of government overreach that even comes
> >> close.
>

> On 4/21/2011 5:12 PM, dxAce wrote:
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> > I guess you're just not as familiar with Benton Harbor as many of us here in SW
> > Michigan are!
>
> Yeah, even in Kokomo some might call Benton Harbor a "bad neighborhood".
> However, that does not justify a dictator. For criminal wrong doing, we
> have the criminal justice system (it works -- your (former) Detroit
> mayor is in the pen) and if the citizens don't like the politics, they
> have the recall process (like the mayor of Miami that was recalled a
> couple of months ago). Two procedures that are in place and work,
> dictators need not apply.
>
> But like Brenda said, what Snyder did was dictatorial and goes against
> everything this country stands for. Sure, Mussolini made the trains run
> on time, but...do we really want a dictator?

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The Obama-Vampires© Take Over The Streets
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© Tax {Blood} Sucking Vampires
Sucking the Taxes {Life Force} Out Of Americans
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[arthr...@webtv.net]

On Apr 22, 1:08 pm, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:

Taxis are for tourists . Yellow cabs are too damn expensive . If you
buy property which has a garage /parking it costs little or nothing at
all . The quickest way around is by subway .

[RHF]

On Apr 21, 7:18 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> On 04/21/2011 03:25 AM, dxAce wrote:

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> > dave wrote:
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> >>http://badgerherald.com/oped/2011/04/20/fiscal_martial_law_s.php
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> >> The implementation of Fiscal Martial Law in Michigan and the raising
> >> specter of such legislation’s enactment in Wisconsin make it clearer
> >> than ever the true nature of the enemy. The Republican assault on our
> >> democratic values, local governance and workers’ right to have a voice
> >> in the work place can best be described as a fascist coup-d’état. In the
> >> words of Mussolini, “fascism should more properly be called corporatism
> >> because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” The Republicans’
> >> bare-knuckle dedication to cutting taxes on corporations at the expense
> >> of the deficit and the middle class exemplifies their loyalty to
> >> corporate interests over those of every-day Americans. Perhaps more so
> >> than any measure rolled out in recent months, Michigan Gov. Rick
> >> Snyder’s implementation of Fiscal Martial Law legislation leaves no room
> >> for ambiguity in the Republican gameplan.
>

> > Rickmers, you really need to get to a doctor and have your medication checked,
> > and also tested for Alzheimer's and/or dementia.
>

> Thanks Lare. I just had a checkup at the shrink's office last Monday.
> Nothing curable I'm afraid.

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The Obama-Shirts© Attack All Enemies of 'The State'
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© Wearing "Blood-Red" Shirts So The Blood of Their
Victims Will Not Show :Charged With Targeting All
Enemies of the Obama-Regime {The State}
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[RHF]

After 9/11 : That's what some people I know did.
Walk out of Manhattan over the Bridge to Brooklyn.
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[arthr...@webtv.net]

There are 26 various mixed use bridges and 4 major tunnels
connecting Manhattan to the outside world . Also, there is a multitude
of dedicated subterranean/underwater tunnels for subways and other
railways as well . There is no fee to cross Brooklyn Bridge . No
trucks , though .