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dxAce

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Jun 7, 2009, 4:36:22 PM6/7/09
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Do you now have 'tenure' at LTI, and if so, just when did your 'tenure' begin?

Curious in Michigan

Mike

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Jun 7, 2009, 6:12:12 PM6/7/09
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On Jun 7, 4:36�pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
> Do you now have 'tenure' at LTI, and if so, just when did your 'tenure' begin?
>
> Curious in Michigan


Not that it's any of your business, but no I don't. The University
system I work for doesn't extend tenure, requiring, instead, that each
instructor prove annually what they are doing to maintain their
professional development. It's part of our annual review, our salary
increase is somewhat pegged to what we're doing to maintain our
credentials. So no one receives "tenure" where I work.

Any other invasion of my privacy you seek?

Mike

dxAce

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Jun 7, 2009, 6:18:33 PM6/7/09
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Mike wrote:

Hardly an 'invasion' if you readily answer my query, and post the answer for all to
see, dufus.

Mike

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Jun 7, 2009, 6:21:24 PM6/7/09
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On Jun 7, 6:18�pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
>
> Hardly an 'invasion' if you readily answer my query, and post the answer for all to
> see, dufus.

I might as well tell you the truth. Otherwise (and probably anyway),
you'll use it as justification to call and harrass my employers, like
you have done before. By your own admission.

Case closed.

Mike

dxAce

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Jun 7, 2009, 6:29:03 PM6/7/09
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Michael W. Bryant, the dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and whom Louisville

No need to call your employers, dufus.

By your own admission, they are currently 'watching', right, boy?

Or is what you stated incorrect, and that it just might be best to ring them up come the
morrow?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

And, as always, don't let your children attend Louisville Technical Institute.
They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who knows, there may
be more dufi there.


Mike

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Jun 7, 2009, 6:37:59 PM6/7/09
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On Jun 7, 6:29�pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:

>
> No need to call your employers, dufus.
>
> By your own admission, they are currently 'watching', right, boy?
>
> Or is what you stated incorrect, and that it just might be best to ring them up come the
> morrow?
>

Well, you know they are, Steve. You've actually conversed with one
that signed on to defend the name of the school. He explained that he
was an intern watching what's said about the school.

So, whatever.

You've already admitted everything I needed you to say.

Mike

dxAce

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Jun 7, 2009, 6:39:54 PM6/7/09
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Mike wrote:

You needed me to admit that you're a dufus?

How bizarre!

Mike

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Jun 7, 2009, 6:40:21 PM6/7/09
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On Jun 7, 6:29�pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:

>
> Or is what you stated incorrect, and that it just might be best to ring them up come the
> morrow?
>

Don't forget to report that I lied about being offered a disability. I
need them to see exactly how crazy you really are.

Mike

dxAce

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Jun 7, 2009, 6:43:40 PM6/7/09
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Mike wrote:

> On Jun 7, 6:29�pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > No need to call your employers, dufus.
> >
> > By your own admission, they are currently 'watching', right, boy?
> >
> > Or is what you stated incorrect, and that it just might be best to ring them up come the
> > morrow?
> >
>
> Well, you know they are, Steve. You've actually conversed with one
> that signed on to defend the name of the school. He explained that he
> was an intern watching what's said about the school.

Really, watching what's said about the school? Funny, he explained no such thing in the post:

> Information, including the educational background of currently employed
> faculty at Louisville Technical Institute, can
> be found at: http://www.louisvilletech.com/faculty.asp
>
>
> The American Technical Education Association (ATEA) selected the
> Louisville Technical Institute's Computer Graphic Design program as the
> winner of its 2009 Outstanding Technical Program award.
>
>
> Louisville Technical Institute was also named a 2008 recipient of the
> President's Higher Education Community Service Honor Roll with
> Distinction award.
>
>
> Michael Long
> Public Relations Intern
> Sullivan University System.

Don't see anything there about "He explained that he


was an intern watching what's said about the school."

You're a laugh a minute, dufus boy!


dxAce

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Jun 7, 2009, 7:23:22 PM6/7/09
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Michael W. Bryant, the dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and whom Louisville Technical
Institute was stupid enough to hire without due diligence, wrote:

> On Jun 7, 6:29�pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > No need to call your employers, dufus.
> >
> > By your own admission, they are currently 'watching', right, boy?
> >
> > Or is what you stated incorrect, and that it just might be best to ring them up come the
> > morrow?
> >
>
> Well, you know they are, Steve. You've actually conversed with one
> that signed on to defend the name of the school. He explained that he
> was an intern watching what's said about the school.

Really, watching what's said about the school? Funny, he explained no such thing in the post:

> Information, including the educational background of currently employed
> faculty at Louisville Technical Institute, can
> be found at: http://www.louisvilletech.com/faculty.asp
>
>
> The American Technical Education Association (ATEA) selected the
> Louisville Technical Institute's Computer Graphic Design program as the
> winner of its 2009 Outstanding Technical Program award.
>
>
> Louisville Technical Institute was also named a 2008 recipient of the
> President's Higher Education Community Service Honor Roll with
> Distinction award.
>
>
> Michael Long
> Public Relations Intern
> Sullivan University System.

Don't see anything there about "He explained that he


was an intern watching what's said about the school."

You're a laugh a minute, dufus boy!

dxAce

abo mahab

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Jun 7, 2009, 10:49:20 PM6/7/09
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Earth’s Seven Layers


Quranic and Prophetic Miracle

Author: Abdul Daem Al-Kaheel
Translation: Nassim JamalEddin Dhaher
Revised by : Magdy Abd Al-Shafy


I hope you don’t mind receiving my letter. It is short but full
of information

When scientists started to probe the valleys of Earth and in order to
know its structure and constituents,
they found that tales and myths that dominated in the earlier
centuries have no scientific basis. After scientists discovered that
the earth is egg-shaped , they suggested that the core of this ball
has a nucleus, and its ****l is a very thin crust when compared to the
Earth’s size, and between these two layers, there is a third, known as
the mantle . this was the knowledge of the early scientists.
Development of Scientific Facts
The Three Layer -Theory did not last for so long due to recent
discoveries in Geology. Recent measurements and experiments showed
that the material comprising the nucleus of the Earth is under very
high pressure, three million times more than that on the surface of
the Earth.
Under such pressure, matter transforms into solid state, this in turn
makes Earth’s core very solid,This core is surrounded by a liquid
layer of very high temperature. This means that there are two layers
in Earth’s core and not one.Two layers; one solid in the center
surrounded by another liquid layer.
Thereafter measuring devices advanced and presented to scientists a
clear distinction among Earth’s inner layers. If we were to descend
under the earth’s crust we would find another layer of very hot
stones , which is the stone cover or wrap. After that come three other
distinct layers of varying density, pressure and temperature.
Therefore scientists found themselves classifying the layers of Earth
into seven layers, not more. The figure shows these layers with their
dimensions (some are out of scale) according to what scientists have
recently found using methods like earthquake measuring devices and the
study of Earth’s magnetic field, among other techniques. These studies
and discoveries are being taught to these scientists’ students in
universities.

Figure showing Earth’s seven layers, notice that the crust is very
thin followed by mantle of varying thickness, then came the core
comprised of a liquid and finally a seventh solid nucleus.
Scientists have found that the atom is also comprised of seven layers
or levels, and this proves the uniformity of creation, where Earth has
seven layers and atoms have seven layers as well. This creation
therefore is ruled by only one creator.
Earth’s seven layers vary greatly in structure, density, temperature
and material. Therefore one cannot consider that Earth has only one
layer as people anciently thought. Here we find that the idea of the
Earth having layers is fairly recent and wasn’t presented or brought
forward at the time when the Quran was being revealed. Those
discoveries are what the Twenty First century -scientists tell us,
What then does the book of Allah tell us?
In the Company of the Noble Quran
The Holy Quran, God’s word , talks to us about the seven Heavens and
also seven layers of Earth in the Quranic verses:
God says in the Holy Quran in this regard what means “Who has created
the seven heavens one above another…” [Al-Mulk 3]
God says in the Holy Quran in this regard what means “It is Allah Who
has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof
(i.e. seven).” [Attalaq 12]
The first verse has specified two traits for the heavens which are:
their number which is seven, their organization, which is into
layers , one on the of top of the other and this is according to the
Quranic interpretation books and Arabic language dictionaries. As for
the second verse, it confirms that Earth is similar to the Heavens
from the part of the verse that says “…and of the earth the like
thereof”, where since the Heavens are layers, then Earth is comprised
of layers as well, and since the Heavens are seven, therefore Earth’s
layers are seven as well.
Here we need to pause and elaborate on Allah’s choice of words in the
word: “Tibaqa” – which means layers one on top of another, and this is
what scientists have recently discovered that Earth is comprised of
layers, this in turn leads us to conclude that Al-Qur`an defined
Earth’s shape, of layers, and it (Al-Quran) has also specified the
number of these layers, seven. Henceforth Al-Qur`an chose a very
specific word to describe Earth’s composition, so Al-Qur`an preceded
the Twenty First Century scientists in mentioning Earths facts
fourteen centuries ago. Isn’t this an overwhelming
?Quranic miracle

If we contemplate 0n the Noble Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon
him) Hadeeth (sayings), we find one Hadeeth that confirms this fact of
Earth’s seven overlapping layers. Prophet Mohammad (peace and
blessings be upon him) says: “whomever oppressed someone a hand span’s
distance from the Earth, gets surrounded by seven overlapping
layers”[Bukhari 2321], the Hadeeth is telling us that Allah will
punish those who oppress in Earth by being encircled and surrounded by
seven Earthly layers. This definition for the word “Tawaqa” that was
used in the Hadeeth is as found in Arabic Language Dictionaries.
The question here is: Isn’t this a great prophetic miracle? doesn’t
this Hadeeth specify the number of Earth’s layers which are seven, and
also mentions their nature of being overlapped or surrounding each
other?From the word encircled used in the Hadeeth, we can deduce
circular shapes and in three dimensions we can deduce spherical
shapes.
Henceforth The Noble Qur’an and Prophetic Sunnah (traditions of the
Prophet) preceded modern science to this scientific fact. In addition
Al-Qur’an gave us the precise naming for the structure of Earth using
the word “Tibaqa” or layers, and it has given us the accurate number
for these layers which is seven, while scientists spent long years and
changed their theories several times to come up with scientific
theories previously mentioned in The Quran and Sunnah. Glory be to
Allah the Greatest who said in his exalted book: “And on the earth are
signs for those who have Faith with certainty, And also in your
ownselves. Will you not then see?” [Athariyat, 20,21]

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Telamon

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Jun 7, 2009, 11:36:16 PM6/7/09
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In article
<65c5fad6-f5be-4ae0...@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
abo mahab <imanw...@gmail.com> wrote:


This NASA / jpl web site says the earth is currently defined by 4 layers
instead of 3 with the core split into two layers.

1. Crust
2. Mantle
3. Outer core
4. Inner core.

<http://scign.jpl.nasa.gov/learn/plate1.htm>

> Scientists have found that the atom is also comprised of seven layers
> or levels, and this proves the uniformity of creation, where Earth has
> seven layers and atoms have seven layers as well. This creation
> therefore is ruled by only one creator.

There are more then 7 electron levels. Many more not even considering
sub shells. These electron shells follow a simple ordering only when an
atom of an element is isolated and not interacting with any other atoms.
You can take any isolated atom in its ground state and then combine it
with other atoms into a molecule and that electron orbital placement
arrangement then changes. The electron shell arrangements don't look
like simple layers in any event. Take a look at orbitals table on this
page.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital#Orbital_names>

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

WQGT447

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Jun 8, 2009, 10:48:15 AM6/8/09
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On Jun 7, 8:36 pm, Telamon <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
wrote:
> In article
> <65c5fad6-f5be-4ae0-bc3a-41b6c706e...@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
> Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Telamon, guys like this **depend** on readers to not know they are
lying, or to not do their own research. You are ruining his MO! Stop
that right now! ;-)

cuh...@webtv.net

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Jun 8, 2009, 7:56:41 PM6/8/09
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WOG, the way you said that, (and I mean this in all due kindly
respect.Please don't hate me) it sounds and looks just like a pouty
little girl said that.

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old 1983 Dodge van I bought last September.
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WQGT447

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Jun 9, 2009, 9:36:02 AM6/9/09
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On Jun 8, 4:56 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> WOG, the way you said that, (and I mean this in all due kindly
> respect.Please don't hate me) it sounds and looks just like a pouty
> little girl said that.

Well, that was sort of the idea... ;-) It was designed to sound like
a parody.

I don't hate nobody :-D

~ Bruce Jensen

~ RHF

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Jun 11, 2009, 3:25:34 PM6/11/09
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"The Mahdi" Obama's Seven World Changing Virtues
from Quranic and Prophetic Miracle
.
Happen on 20 JAN 2009 : The Barack "Mahdi" Obama has Arrived
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/01/the_inauguration_of_president.html
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c335cc796af85acc
.
We Are Now Living In The Age of "The Mahdi" Obama-R-Us©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2bd13329ea9f36f2
.
In America Islam is Outdated in the Age of Obama-R-Us©
.
First - We have the Great Leader and One True Messenger
of Change with a Message of Hope We Can Believe In.
.
Second - The Wonderful One Barack-the-Obama choose
Christianity over Islam and Preaches the Love and Salvation
of Jesus for All the World; and not the Bloody Murder of
Islam for All Who Are Not Muslim.
.
Third - Let Us All Give Praise To 'The Obama' Our US President :
.
The ObamaPrompter© says- praise be the obama,
and We the ObamaSpeakers© all say : praise be the obama,
.
The ObamaPrompter© says- Praise Be The Obama.
and We the ObamaSpeakers© all say : Praise Be The Obama.
.
The ObamaPrompter© says- PRAISE BE THE OBAMA !
and We the ObamaSpeakers© all say : PRAISE BE THE OBAMA !
.
In The Name of "The Mahdi" Obama-R-Us©
* the Most Merciful
* the Most Compassionate
* the Most Loving
* the Most Forgiving
Blessed Be President Obama - praise be unto him ~ RHF
.
JUST SAY "NO" TO THE ISLAM-O-FASCIST TERRORIST :
BY GIVING PRAISE TO THE MAHDI OBAMA -pbhn-
.
US President Elect Barack "Holy" Obama is a Christian
Crusader Politician : Who is Out to "Change The World"
for Jesus the Christ {He Is The Anti-Muhammad for Islam}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e8aa962e35d64a36
.
Barack Hussein Obama is a "Born Again in Jesus"
{Baptized} All American Christian "PTL"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8ca23e3696064362
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e23bea809d3253ec
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bb1f0ba2df3663c5
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e38657bd783a1126
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/045b21b37d822b38
.
Barack Obama's Glorious Muslim Outreach :
All of Islam will Bow Down to 'The Anointed One'
for BHO is 'The Messenger' of Change
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dbed3813d38666d4
.
In America Islam is Outdated in the Age of Obama-R-Us©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2bd13329ea9f36f2
.
[Q] Is Barack {Muhammad} 'Hussein' Obama "The Mahdi"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi
.
Common Muslim Beliefs -wrt- The Mahdi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi#Muslim_beliefs_common_to_both_Sunn...
.
"The Mahdi" Obama's Seven Virtues from Quranic and Prophetic Miracle
.
1 - The Mahdi [Obama] could be a Descendant of
the Prophet Muhammad of the line of Fatimah.
{After 13+ Centuries All Is Possible}
.
2 - The Mahdi [Obama] will bear the name Muhammad
as many claim Obama was on his original BC.
.
3 - The Mahdi [Obama] Will Rule for either seven,
nine or nineteen years. {President-for-Life}
.
4 - The Mahdi [Obama] Will Re-Distribute Wealth.
.
5 - The Mahdi [Obama]'s Coming Will Be Accompanied by the
Raising of a Black Standard. {He Is The Living Standard}
.
6 - The Mahdi [Obama]'s Coming will be Accompanied by the
Appearance of the Anti-Christ) in the East. {China}
.
7 - The Mahdi [Obama] will Fill the World with Justice
and Fairness at a time when the World will be filled
with Oppression.
.
All Signs that Barack {Muhammad} 'Hussein' Obama
could be "The Mahdi"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi#Signs_of_the_Mahdi
.
.
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arah

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Jun 11, 2009, 3:41:50 PM6/11/09
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“THAT PROPHET”

By UMAR HASSAN

"THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE APOSTLE, THE UNLETTERED PROPHET, WHOM THEY FIND
MENTIONED IN THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES, IN THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL…"

Holy Qur’ân 7:157; Trans.: Yusuf Ali

Praise is to Almighty Allah and Peace and Blessings of Almighty Allah
be upon all His Messengers.

Introduction

This article of mine is in connection with my previous article
‘Reality’. As always, the main purpose of my article is to educate my
dear readers with more facts, realities rather to impose my ideas. In
this article of mine, wherever I quote any author of a Christian site,
I would be calling them as ‘Mr. Author’.

The purpose of these articles is not to attack the Christians, but, to
bring forward the facts.

Indulgent

It is important to understand that it is not a pre-condition of
acceptance that a Prophet be foretold by an earlier Prophet. Moses –
peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – was a Prophet to
Pharaoh even though he was not prophesized by anyone before him.
Abraham – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – was
Prophet to Nimrod, yet no one prophesized his coming. Noah, Lot, and
others were true Prophets – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be
upon them – of Almighty Allah, yet they were not foretold. The
evidence of a Prophet’s truth is not limited to old prophecies, but it
includes the actual message brought by him.

Regarding Muhammad – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him
–, we have records of early Jews and Christians, both monks and
rabbis, who witnessed that Muhammad – peace and blessings of Almighty
Allah be upon him – was the fulfillment of specific Biblical
prophecies. The following are some examples of these people.

The first witness was Buhaira, the Christian monk, who recognized
Muhammad’s – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –
Prophethood when he was still young and told his uncle (Muhammad’s –
peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – uncle Abu Tâlib):

"…a great fortune lies before your nephew, so take him home quickly."

The second witness was Waraqah bin Nawfal, a Christian scholar who
died soon after a meeting with Muhammad – peace and blessings of
Almighty Allah be upon him –. Waraqah attested that Muhammad – peace
and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – was the Prophet of his
time and received revelation exactly like Moses and Jesus – peace and
blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them –.

The Jews of Madeenah were anxiously awaiting the arrival of a prophet.
The third and fourth witnesses were their two famous Jewish rabbis,
Abdullah bin Salam and Mukhayriq.

The fifth and sixth witnesses were also Yemeni Jewish rabbis, Wahab
ibn Munabbih, and Ka`b al-Ahbar (d. 656 CE). Ka`b found long passages
of praise and the description of the Prophet prophesized by Moses –
peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – in the Bible.

The Qur’ân states (interpretation of the meaning):

"Is it not a sign to them that the learned men of the Children of
Israel knew it (as true)?" Holy Qur’ân 26:197

In this article of mine, you will read the indeed prophecies about
Muhammad made by Moses and Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty
Allah be upon them – in the Bible, and you will also read the verdicts
of learned Christian and Jew Scholars upon these verses of Bible.

Beginning

It is said “All is well, that ends well”. But, I say that the
beginning is also very important, in order to judge the approach of a
runner to the final line. If the runner doesn’t have a valid start, he
will be thrown out of the race. So, ‘Beginning’ is equally important.

In the light of my article “That Prophet”, let us also start from the
beginning, because, it is only then, that the facts would be in safe,
nice hands.

Now, let us start from Deuteronomy 17:15

"Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee whom the LORD thy God
shall choose. One from among thy brethren shalt thou set as king over
thee; thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, who is not thy
brother." Deuteronomy 17:15 (Emphasis mine)

Christians quote this verse to put their innocent impression upon
others that ‘No NON ISRAELITE KING’ over Israel. In fact, this is not
the reality. If you analyze this verse by keeping the facts in your
mind that, both Ishmael and Isaac – peace and blessings of Almighty
Allah be upon them – are brothers and in that sense their children are
‘Brethren’ to each other. Now, when the verse says “among thy
brethren”, it may mean “your Ishmaelite brothers” and when the verse
says “not set a stranger over thee”, it may mean “One who is not among
your kin” as it is more clear on further reading of the same verse
“who is not thy brother”. Ishmaelites are BROTHERS to Israelites. So,
the chance of ‘Ishmaelite’ being a king over Israelite is not at all
demolished.

A Christian writer on a Christian site (I would be calling them as
‘Mr. Author’) under the heading of his topic “Who is the Prophet of
Deuteronomy 18:18” says:

Start quote --- “I took a look at how the term 'brethren' (King James
Version) is used throughout Deuteronomy. I found that it is used about
20 times; at least 14 times it means 'fellow Israelites' - members of
the 12 tribes. Twice it is used to ref. the Edomites, and once for
Levitical brothers, once for literal brothers (25:5), and twice for
the verses in question: 18:15, 18.

Therefore, the overwhelming majority of times the context is used for
referring to 'fellow Israelites'.” --- End quote. (Emphasis mine)

Is “Overwhelming majority” and “Context” the real acid with which we
can test? No, simply no … Let me give you an example to clarify.

Suppose, I am a teacher of a class which has a strength of 25. One day
I come to the class and addressing my students I say “John is a good
student. He is hard working and brilliant student. He was the toper in
the class test. He not only concentrates over his studies but also
participates in games. He also won a gold medal in sports. He also
helps his parents in the household.”

The next day I come and address the class saying “Mark is a good
student. He is hard working and brilliant student. He was the toper in
the class test. He not only concentrates over his studies but also
participates in games. He also won a gold medal in sports.”

The third day I address the class saying “Michael is a good student.
He is hard working and brilliant student. He was the toper in the
class test. He respects elders.”

The fourth day I address my class saying “He is a good student. He is
hard working and brilliant student. He was the toper in the class
test. He not only concentrates over his studies but also participates
in games. He also helps his parents in the household.”

Now, my simple question to my dear reader is that, after looking at so
many Hes Can any one dare to tell me that On the fourth day for W-H-O-
M I am using so much Hes? Is it John? Mark? Michael? or WHO?

Can any one, in the background of “context” dare to give the reply?
Does “overwhelming majority” help? as said by this Mr. Author. No, no
one can tell for ‘whom’ I am using “He” on the 4th day. Just like
this, the “overwhelming majority” of the occurrence of the word
‘brethren’ does not solve the question.

Interesting, as it may sound that, in the context of Deuteronomy
17:15, there is nothing to point out that for W-H-O-M the word
“BRETHREN” is referred to.

"Brethren"

As Arabic and Hebrew are sister languages, the word ‘brethren’ in
English is known as ‘Akh’ in Arabic and ‘Awkh’ () in Hebrew. The
correct definition of the word brethren, Akh, or Awkh is

1) Brother

a) brother of same parents

b) half-brother (same father)

c) relative, kinship, same tribe

d) each to the other (reciprocal relationship)

e) (fig.) of resemblance

The reality is that, this word ‘brethren’ is very vast in its meaning,
since you can notice from the wide range of meaning, which this word
has.

Ishmael; The First Born

As the Prophecy reads as follows: "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET
FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......." The emphasis is on
the words- "From among their brethren." You see, the Holy Bible speaks
of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and
Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- '......And Abraham
called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15).
'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON......" (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael
HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh
of his foreskin.' (Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael
was the ONLY son and seed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified
between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah,
named Isaac, who was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

Arabs and Jews

If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then
they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of
the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the
Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one
another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE
PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED
IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of
Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhammad is
from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant
of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it-
'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy
distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses,
must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among
themselves', but from among their brethren. MUHAMMAD THEREFORE WAS
FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!

After thinking over the word ‘brethren’, a common sense minded person
will agree to me, that, being a ‘brethren’ is not the ‘ACID TEST’ for
proving the eligible Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18. Since there are so
many ‘Brethren’ prophets among the Israelites themselves i.e. Solomon,
Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, Jesus
– peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them – and then
Muhammad – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – among
the children of Ishmaelite (who is the elder brother of Isaac – peace
and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –) is also their
(Israelites) ‘Brethren’.

So, no one can decide, that who the ‘Eligible’ Prophet of Deuteronomy
18:18 is.

ACID TESTS

In the following are the points, which are the only “ACID TESTS” to
determine the ‘Eligible’ Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18.

1st Acid Test

“Like Unto Thee”

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren LIKE UNTO
THEE, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them
all that I shall command Him." Deuteronomy 18:18 (Emphasis mine)

This is a very important verse and a lot have been said upon it from
the Christendom side. They want to disprove the Muslim point over this
verse. Remember, there is no cure of envy in the whole world. It is
same as, if you wear yellow glasses, the whole environment will be
yellowish to you, and if, you wear bluish glasses, the whole
environment will be bluish to you. So, throw away the glasses of envy
and seek the truth.

As a student of truth, I am prepare to accept the truth, if it comes
from the other side, but if, the truth comes from my side, then I want
you to do the same. Now, being the seeker of truth let us analyze this
verse, but with great care.

As, this verse is prophesizing about a coming person. Ask any
Christian that who is prophesized in this verse? Without the slightest
hesitation he will answer: "JESUS!" Now you ask him "Why Jesus? His
name is not mentioned here." He will reply: "Since prophecies are
word-
pictures of something that is going to happen in the future, we find
that the wordings of this verse adequately describe him. You see the
most important words of this prophecy are - like unto thee, - LIKE YOU
- like Moses, and Jesus is like Moses. Now, ask your Christian fellows
"In which way is Jesus like Moses?" His reply will be

"In the first place Moses was a JEW and Jesus was also a JEW;
secondly, Moses was known by God "face to face," meaning God spoke to
him directly and Jesus was also known by God "face to face,"; thirdly,
Moses performed awesome miracles and Jesus also performed awesome
miracles - therefore Jesus is like Moses and that is exactly what God
had foretold Moses - " like unto thee"."

After giving such a confident reply, a Christian might be feeling the
‘Holy Ghost’ working inside him. But, I give you an ‘Oscar’ winning
dialogue:

"If these are the only criteria for discovering a candidate for this
prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18, then in that case the criteria could
fit any one of the following Biblical personages after Moses: -
Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the
Baptist – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them – etc.,
because they were also ALL "Jews" as well as known by God "face to
face,". Why should we not apply this prophecy to any one of these
prophets, and why only to Jesus? Why should we make fish of one and
fowl of another???"

Now, wait for the Holy Ghost to reply …

As far as Miracles are concerned, they do not prove even Prophethood,
or whether a man is true or false. Jesus himself said:

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall
show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they
shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24 (Emphasis mine)

If false prophets and false Christs can perform miraculous feats, then
these wonders or miracles do not prove even the geniuses or otherwise,
of a prophet.

John the Baptist, according to Jesus, was the greatest of the
Israelite prophets. Greater than Moses, David, Solomon, Isaiah and
all, not excluding himself – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be
upon them –: in his own words:

"Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath
not risen a greater than John the Baptist..." Matthew 11:11 (Emphasis
mine)

1. Not excluding Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty
Allah be upon him –: because, was he not born of a woman – Mary –
peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon her –?

2. The Baptist – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be
upon him –, greater than "all", yet he performed not a single miracle!
Miracles are no standards of judging truth and falsehood.

So, you see, according to Bible, Miracles prove nothing, just nothing.

Along with above claims, I have come across some Christians saying:

"One could just as well say Jesus was the promised prophet because,
like Moses but unlike Muhammad, he was saved from death as a baby
(Exodus 1:17, 2:2-10, Matthew 2:16), preached about sacrifice being
the way to get forgiveness of sins (Leviticus 4, Matthew 26:28,
Hebrews 9:22)."

Now, let us tackle with these claims one by one.

Firstly; when Christians say that Jesus was saved in his childhood
just like Moses – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them –
and quote Matthew 2:16 to prove Jesus’ – peace and blessings of
Almighty Allah be upon him – saving.

Kindly ask your Christian brothers to read Luke 2:6-40. Because, the
entire 2nd chapter of Luke does not give even a small hint about the
life of Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –
being in danger. Not even a small hint of such an important event
recorded by Luke? Now, Christians should kindly tell us that whom
should we believe, Matthew 2:16 or Luke 2:6-40?

Secondly; as far as sacrifice for sins is concerned (Leviticus 4). If
you read entire chapter 4 of Leviticus, you will come to know that
people who committed sin were commanded to sacrifice Animals for
forgiveness from their sins and they had a method to deal with the
sacrificed animals. Was that method also adopted with Jesus – peace
and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –?

The verses 12-14 of Hebrews 9 throws an impression upon the reader
that the sacrifices of animals done by Israelites at the time of Moses
had only outwardly impact, where as the sacrifice of Jesus – peace and
blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them – has cleaned our
consciences. But, if you analyze the verses of Hebrew 9 under the
light of Leviticus 4, you will come across many important questions:

1. According to Leviticus 4, sacrifices were offered to God.
Christians say that "GOD SACRIFICED His only son to save us". The
question is "to whom did God SACRIFICE Jesus – peace and blessings of
Almighty Allah be upon him – when God owns the whole universe?"

2. God is Just, and justice requires that nobody should be punished
for the sins of others, nor should some people be saved by punishing
other people. Doesn’t the claim that God sacrificed Jesus – peace and
blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – to save us because He was
Just, contradict the definition of justice?

3. A real sacrifice is when you can’t get back what you have
offered, so what would be the big deal about such a sacrifice if God
could recover back the same offering? (Hebrews 9:28 "… he (Jesus) will
appear a second time")

4. If all the Christians are saved through Jesus and are going to
Heaven no matter what they do, then the teachings of Jesus are
irrelevant and the definition of good and bad are also rendered
irrelevant. If this is not so, then do Christians who believe in Jesus
yet do not follow his teachings nor repent go to Hell?

5. Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross,
when, on the cross, he was shouting "My God, my God, why have you
forsaken me?" according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33?

All these questions need logical answers.

Dear reader, Jesus is most unlike Moses – peace and blessings of
Almighty Allah be upon them –

"In the FIRST place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to
Christendom - 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God. "Therefore,
Jesus is not like Moses!

"SECONDLY, according to Christendom - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE
WORLD', but Moses did not have to die for the sins of the world.
"Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!"

"THIRDLY, according to Christendom - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE
DAYS', but Moses did not have to go there. "Therefore Jesus is not
like Moses!"

I can only give these references and escape away, but I wouldn’t be
doing justice then. Therefore I will be completely handling the
situation. I ask my dear readers especially Christian readers to think
with a very cool mind that, these are not hard facts, solid facts;
they are mere matters of belief over which the little ones can stumble
and fall.

Therefore, let us discuss something very simple, very easy that if
your little ones are called in to hear the discussion, would have no
difficulty in following it, shall we?

The Most Crucial Point

No New Laws

A very, very important, basic and most crucial point which makes
Prophet Moses – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –
different from all the other Israelite Prophets and similar to Prophet
Muhammad – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – is that
both of them brought new laws and new regulations for their people.

All the Israelite Prophets, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea,
Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, including Jesus – peace and blessings
of Almighty Allah be upon them – were the followers of Prophet Moses –
peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – and the
comprehensive ceremonial law, which he brought.

Moses not only gave the Ten Commandments to the Israelites, but a very
comprehensive ceremonial law for the guidance of his people. Muhammad
comes to a people steeped in barbarism and ignorance. They married
their step-mothers; they buried their daughters alive; drunkenness,
adultery, idolatry, and gambling were the order of the day. Gibbon
describe the Arabs before Islam in his "Decline and Fall of the Roman
Empire",

'THE HUMAN BRUTE, ALMOST WITHOUT SENSE, IS POORLY DISTINGUISHED FROM
THE REST OF THE ANIMAL CREATION.'

There was hardly anything to distinguish between the "man" and the
"animal" of the time; they were animals in human form.

From this abject barbarism, Muhammad elevated them, in the words of
Thomas Carlyle, "into torch-bearers of light and learning".

'TO THE ARAB NATION IT WAS AS A BIRTH FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT. ARABIA
FIRST BECAME ALIVE BY MEANS OF IT. A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING
UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. SEE, THE
UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT.
WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS ARABIA WAS AT GRANADA ON ONE HAND AND AT
DELHI ON THE OTHER. GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR, AND THE LIGHT OF
GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES OVER A GREAT SECTION OF THE
WORLD. ..." (Emphasis mine)

The fact is that Muhammad gave his people a Law and Order they never
had before.

As regards Jesus, when the Jews felt suspicious of him that he might
be an impostor with designs to pervert their teachings, Jesus took
pains to assure them that he had not come with a new religion - no new
laws and no new regulations. I quote his own words:

"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I
have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to
you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will
pass from the law until all is accomplished." Mathew 5:17-18 (Emphasis
mine)

In other words he had not come with any new laws or regulation he came
only to fulfill the old law. This is what he gave the Jews to
understand - unless he was speaking with the tongue in his cheek
trying to bluff the Jews into accepting him as a man of God and by
subterfuge trying to ram a new religion down their throats. No! This
Messenger of God would never resort to such foul means to subvert the
Religion of God. He himself fulfilled the laws. He observed the
commandments of Moses, and he respected the Sabbath. At no time did a
single Jew point a finger at him to say, 'why don't you fast' or 'why
don't you wash your hands before you break bread’, which charges they
always levied against his disciples, but never against Jesus. This is
because as a good Jew he honored the laws of the Prophets who preceded
him. In short, he had created no new religion and had brought no new
law like Moses and Muhammad. Again "Yes." is the answer. "Therefore,
Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses."

Watertight Arguments

Father and Mother

Moses had a father and a mother. Muhammad also had a father and a
mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father. Is this
true?" "Yes" is the answer. Meaning: "Therefore Jesus is not like
Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses!"

Miraculous Birth

Moses and Muhammad were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the
physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a
special miracle. You will recall that we are told in the Gospel of St.
Matthew 1:18 ".....Before they came together, (Joseph the Carpenter
and Mary) she was found to be with a child of the Holy Spirit." And
St. Luke tells us that when the good news of the birth of a holy son
was announced to her, Mary reasoned:

"...How shall this be, since I have no husband? And the angel said to
her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most
High will overshadow you..." (Luke 1:34-35). The Holy Qur’ân confirms
the miraculous birth of Jesus, in nobler and sublimer terms. In answer
to her logical question (interpretation of the meaning):

" O MY LORD! HOW SHALL I HAVE A SON WHEN NO MAN HATH TOUCHED ME? "
The angel says in reply: "EVEN SO: ALLAH CREATETH WHAT HE WILLETH:
WHEN HE HATH DECREED A PLAN, HE BUT SAITH TO IT "BE," AND IT IS " Holy
Qur’ân 3:47

It is not necessary for God to plant a seed in man or animal. He
merely wills it and it comes into being. This is the Muslim conception
of the birth of Jesus. In short, Jesus was born miraculously as
against the natural birth of Moses and Muhammad. "Yes!" is the answer.
"Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses. And
God says to Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 "LIKE UNTO
THEE" (Like You, Like Moses) and Muhammad is like Moses."

Marriage Ties

Moses and Muhammad married and begat children, but Jesus remained a
bachelor all his life. Again "Yes." "Therefore Jesus is not like
Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses."

Jesus Rejected by his People

Moses and Muhammad were accepted as prophets by their people in their
very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and
they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged
that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made
Muhammad’s life impossible. He suffered very badly at their hands.
After 13 years of preaching in Makkah, he had to emigrate from the
city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole
accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible:
'He (Jesus) came to his own home, and his own people received him
not.' John 1:11. And even today, after two thousand years, his people-
the Jews, as a whole, have rejected him. Is this true? "Yes."
"THEREFORE JESUS IS NOT LIKE MOSES, BUT MUHUMMED IS LIKE MOSES."

"Other-Worldly" Kingdom

Moses and Muhammad were prophets as well as kings. A prophet means a
man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of Man and this
Guidance he conveys to God's creatures as received without any
addition or deletion. A king is a person who has the power of life and
death over his people. It is immaterial whether the person wears a
crown or not, or whether he was ever addressed as king or monarch: if
the man has the prerogative of inflicting capital punishment - HE IS A
KING. Moses possessed such a power. Do you remember the Israelite who
was found picking up firewood on Sabbath Day, and Moses had him stoned
to death? (Numbers- 15:13). There are other crimes also mentioned in
the Bible for which capital punishment was inflicted on the Jews at
the behest of Moses. Muhammad too, had the power of life and death
over his people.

There are instances in the Bible of persons who were given gift of
prophecy only, but they were not in a position to implement their
directives. Some of these holy men of God who were helpless in the
face of stubborn rejection of their message, were the prophets Lot,
Jonah, Daniel, Ezra, and John the Baptist. They could only deliver the
message, but could not enforce the Law. The Holy Prophet Jesus also
belonged to this category. The Christian Gospel clearly confirms this:
when Jesus was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate,
Charged for sedition, Jesus made a convincing point in his defense to
refute the false charge: JESUS ANSWERED, "My kingship is not of this
world': if my kingship were of this world, my servants would have
fight, that I might not be handed over to the Jews, but my Kingship is
not from the world" John 18:36. This convinced Pilate (A Pagan) that
though Jesus might not be in full possession of his mental faculty, he
did not strike him as being a danger to his rule. Jesus claimed a
spiritual Kingdom only; in other words he only claimed to be a
Prophet. Is this true?" "Yes." Is the reply. "Therefore Jesus is not
like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses."

How they Departed

Both Moses and Muhammad died natural deaths, but according to
Christianity, Jesus was violently killed on the cross. Is this true?"
"Yes." is the reply. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad
is like Moses."

Heavenly Abode

Moses and Muhammad both lie buried in earth, but according to you,
Jesus in heaven. "Yes." Without any hesitation to Christians.
"Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses."

Forced to Migrate

Moses was forced to emigrate in adulthood to Median while Muhammad was
forced to emigrate in his life too, towards Madeenah. Whereas Jesus
did not have such forced emigration in his adulthood. "Therefore Jesus
is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses."

The crucial attributes that the future prophet would have to possess
to be "like unto Moses" are all found in Muhammad and not in Jesus.

2nd Acid Test

Words in the Mouth

The prophecy proceeds further: '.......and I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO
HIS MOUTH .......' Deuteronomy 18:18 (Emphasis mine)

The Holy Qur’ân says the same about Muhammad – peace and blessings of
Almighty Allah be upon him – (interpretation of the meaning):

"Neither does he speak out of his own desire: that [which he conveys
to you] is but [a divine] inspiration with which he is being
inspired." Holy Qur’ân 53:3-4

What does it mean when it is said 'I will put my words in your mouth?'

Suppose, I ask you to open Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, and read.
Now, if you read: would I be putting my words into your mouth?" The
answer is: "No." "But," If, I tell you to open the Bible read
Deuteronomy 18:18 and you tell me that “I can’t read as I am an
illiterate.” Then, my reply would be ‘repeat’ after me. Therefore, I
were to teach you something, which you have no knowledge, and if I ask
you to read after me what I utter i.e.

Would I not be putting these unheard words which you utter, into your
mouth? The words of the Holy Qur’ân, the Revelation vouchsafed by the
Almighty God to Muhammad, were revealed.

Muhammad – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – was
forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the
City of Makkah. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan.
In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:
'IQRA' which means READ! Or PROCLAIM! Or RECITE! Muhammad – peace and
blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – is terrified and in his
bewilderment replies "MAA ANA BEQAARI" which means I AM NOT LEARNED!
The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the
third time the angel continues.

Now Muhammad, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to
rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:

These are the first five verses, which were revealed to Muhammad –
peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –, which now occupy
the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur’ân.

During the next twenty-three years of his prophetic life, words were
'Put into his mouth', and he uttered them. They made an indelible
impression on his heart and mind: and as the volume of the Sacred
Scripture (Holy Qur’ân) grew, they were recorded on palm-leaf fiber,
on skins and on the shoulder-blades of animals; and in the hearts of
his devoted disciples. Before his demise these words were arranged
according to his instructions in the order in which we find them today
in the Holy Qur’ân.

PROOF

We all know that this man Muhammad was a Creature and not the Creator.
Yet this man foretold such facts, which modern day people with such
mind-blowing technology are telling us

Creation of the Universe

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, in "The Bible, The Qur’ân and Science", says:

"From an examination of creation as described in the Qur’ân, an
extremely important general concept emerges: The Qur’ânic narration is
quite different from the Biblical narration. This idea contradicts the
parallels which are often wrongly drawn by Western authors to
emphasize the resemblance between the two texts."

"(God) who created the earth and heavens above." Holy Qur’ân 20:4
(interpretation of the meaning)

"Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were
joined together, and then We split them apart? …" Holy Qur’ân 21:30
(interpretation of the meaning)

"God is the one who created the heavens, the earth and what is between
them..." Holy Qur’ân 25:59 (interpretation of the meaning)

"God then rose turning towards the heaven when it was smoke" Holy
Qur’ân 41:11 (interpretation of the meaning)

There is a strong tendency in the West to claim that Muhammad copied
the general outlines mentioned in the Qur’ân from the Bible.

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, in “The Bible, The Qur’ân and Science”, says:

"Brief survey of Qur’ânic references to creation clearly shows us how
modern scientific data and statements in the Qur’ân consistently agree
on a large number of points. In contrast, the successive phases of
creation mentioned in the Biblical text are totally unacceptable. For
example, in Genesis 1:9-19 the creation of the earth (on the 3rd day)
is placed before that of the heavens (on the 4th day). It is a well
known fact that our planet came from its own star, the sun. In such
circumstances, how could anyone claim that Muhammad, the supposed
author of the Qur’ân, drew his inspiration from the Bible. Such a
claim would mean that, of his own accord, he corrected the Biblical
text to arrive at the correct concept concerning the formation of the
Universe. Yet the correct concept was reached by scientists many
centuries after his death." (Emphasis mine)

http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar_hassan/that_prophet.htm

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