SPECIAL: Is John McCain a Crook?
Dave
Chris Suellentrop
Posted Friday, Feb. 18, 2000, at 2:35 PM ET
The controversial George W. Bush-sponsored poll in South Carolina
mentioned John McCain's role in the so-called Keating Five scandal, and
McCain says his involvement in the scandal "will probably be on my
tombstone." What exactly did McCain do?
In early 1987, at the beginning of his first Senate term, McCain
attended two meetings with federal banking regulators to discuss an
investigation into Lincoln Savings and Loan, an Irvine, Calif., thrift
owned by Arizona developer Charles Keating. Federal auditors were
investigating Keating's banking practices, and Keating, fearful that the
government would seize his S&L, sought intervention from a number of
U.S. senators.
At Keating's behest, four senators--McCain and Democrats Dennis
DeConcini of Arizona, Alan Cranston of California, and John Glenn of
Ohio--met with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, on
April 2. Those four senators and Sen. Don Riegle, D-Mich., attended a
second meeting at Keating's behest on April 9 with bank regulators in
San Francisco.
Regulators did not seize Lincoln Savings and Loan until two years later.
The Lincoln bailout cost taxpayers $2.6 billion, making it the biggest
of the S&L scandals. In addition, 17,000 Lincoln investors lost $190
million.
In November 1990, the Senate Ethics Committee launched an investigation
into the meetings between the senators and the regulators. McCain,
Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, and Riegle became known as the Keating Five.
(Keating himself was convicted in January 1993 of 73 counts of wire and
bankruptcy fraud and served more than four years in prison before his
conviction was overturned. Last year, he pleaded guilty to four counts
of fraud and was sentenced to time served.)
McCain defended his attendance at the meetings by saying Keating was a
constituent and that Keating's development company, American Continental
Corporation, was a major Arizona employer. McCain said he wanted to know
only whether Keating was being treated fairly and that he had not tried
to influence the regulators. At the second meeting, McCain told the
regulators, "I wouldn't want any special favors for them," and "I don't
want any part of our conversation to be improper."
But Keating was more than a constituent to McCain--he was a longtime
friend and associate. McCain met Keating in 1981 at a Navy League dinner
in Arizona where McCain was the speaker. Keating was a former naval
aviator himself, and the two men became friends. Keating raised money
for McCain's two congressional campaigns in 1982 and 1984, and for
McCain's 1986 Senate bid. By 1987, McCain campaigns had received
$112,000 from Keating, his relatives, and his employees--the most
received by any of the Keating Five. (Keating raised a total of $300,000
for the five senators.)
After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at
least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were to Keating's
Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips (as he was required
to under House rules) until the scandal broke in 1989. At that point, he
paid Keating $13,433 for the flights.
And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the regulators,
McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating
strip mall.
The Senate Ethics Committee probe of the Keating Five began in November
1990, and committee Special Counsel Robert Bennett recommended that
McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation. They were not.
McCain believes Democrats on the committee blocked Bennett's
recommendation because he was the lone Keating Five Republican.
In February 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee found McCain and Glenn to
be the least blameworthy of the five senators. (McCain and Glenn
attended the meetings but did nothing else to influence the regulators.)
McCain was guilty of nothing more than "poor judgment," the committee
said, and declared his actions were not "improper nor attended with
gross negligence." McCain considered the committee's judgment to be
"full exoneration," and he contributed $112,000 (the amount raised for
him by Keating) to the U.S. Treasury.
-salon.com
RHF
"The Keating Five" Senators were All John "Smiley" McCain - NOT !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/25c6c7f9ce0b1a3a
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Democrats Rewriting History : The Keating Five
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c1da02f58f6d8b88
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John "Smiley" McCain and the Keating Five :
Actually the Keating Three Minus Two
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/aca20a552fb2c12e
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Follow-the-Money : Barack Hussein Obama II -to- Tony Resko
-to- Nadhmi Auchi the 'channeling' of Illegal Foreign Money
into the Obama Presidential Campaign.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9b6039e8838dd9b5
{ Secret Muslim Loans -aka- Islamic Bribes ? }
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harvey
RHF
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/04/tapper-mccain-about-open-can-whoop-ass-obama
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On Oct 6, 8:08 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
- The Two Faces of the Liberal Lying Democrats :
- "The Keating Five" Senators were All John "Smiley" McCain - NOT !
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/25c6c7f9ce0b1a3a
- .
- Democrats Rewriting History : The Keating Five
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c1da02f58f6d8b88
- .
- John "Smiley" McCain and the Keating Five :
- Actually the Keating Three Minus Two
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/aca20a552fb2c12e
- .
- Follow-the-Money : Barack Hussein Obama II -to- Tony Resko
- -to- Nadhmi Auchi the 'channeling' of Illegal Foreign Money
- into the Obama Presidential Campaign.
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9b6039e8838dd9b5
- { Secret Muslim Loans -aka- Islamic Bribes ? }
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Pete KE9OA
Nah........................
"Dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
news:rIoGk.14265$gY7....@newsfe19.iad...
Pete KE9OA
polarized. My candidate can kick you candidate's ass, etc.............
Why not take both candidates to task about important issues such as health
care, the silly bailout of all of the greedy banks, and a few other things.
Would it really make a difference? Probably not. I've spoken to a few
different culture groups about their impressions of this circus of an
election campaign...........it seems that the world's impression of the US
is just not that good. The infrastructure is so corrupt that it makes the
folks from Tammany Hall look like angels. Evil in high places,
etc..........you know the drill.
"Dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
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saltyfi...@gmail.com
said the Obama team seemed “frantic” at “the mere mention of the word
‘Ayers.’”
McCain-Palin spokesman Brian Rogers said: “The difference here is
clear. John McCain has been open and honest about the Keating matter,
and even the Democratic special counsel in charge recommended that
Senator McCain be completely exonerated. By contrast, Barack Obama has
been fundamentally dishonest about his friendship and work with the
unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, whose radical group bombed the
Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol. Nor has Barack Obama come clean on his
close friendship with Tony Rezko, a felon convicted on bribery charges
who subsidized the purchase of Barack Obama’s home. It’s obvious that
Barack Obama is frantically attacking because he knows that most
voters find these kinds of friendships, and the failed judgment they
expose, to be unacceptable for our next president.”
In 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee cleared McCain of corruption
charges but cited him for “poor judgment” in meeting with federal
regulators on behalf of Charles H. Keating Jr., a political patron who
went to prison for fraud in connection with the collapse of the
California-based Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which at the
time was one of the biggest financial failures in the nation’s
history.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14302.html
Let’s clear some things up right now.
Who are they?
The Keating Five is a group of five senators: Alan Cranston (D-CA),
Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and
Donald W. Riegle (D-MI). Notice that four of them are Democrats.
What did they do?
They were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr.,
chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was
the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board.
What happened to Keating?
Keating served five years in prison for his mismanagement of Lincoln.
What happened to the senators?
The Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Cranston,
DeConcini, and Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with
the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators Glenn and
McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for
having exercised “poor judgment”.
What are the details?
In the 1980s Keating contributed $1.3 million to these Senators, later
he called on those Senators to help him resist regulators, which some
of them did. Keating and DeConcini asked McCain to travel to San
Francisco to meet with regulators regarding Lincoln Savings; McCain
refused. According to testimony DeConcini told Keating that McCain was
nervous about interfering and Keating called McCain a “wimp” behind
his back, On March 24, 1987 Keating and McCain had a heated,
contentious meeting. Additional meetings were held in April, and when
the regulators then revealed that Lincoln was under criminal
investigation on a variety of serious charges, McCain severed all
relations with Keating. Furthermore, McCain paid Keating back $13,433
to cover the cost of the trips that Keating had provided in the early
1980s after learning that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln. All
told, McCain attended two meetings. Two meetings.
Officially, McCain was criticized by the Ethics Committee for
exercising “poor judgment” when he met with the federal regulators on
Keating’s behalf. The report also said that McCain’s “ACTIONS WERE NOT
IMPROPER nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the
level of requiring institutional action against him… Senator McCain
has VIOLATED NO LAW of the United States or specific Rule of the
United States Senate.”
McCain is an honorable man and acknowledged the situation. He has
repeatedly said “The appearance of it was wrong. It’s a wrong
appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group
of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper
influence. And it was the wrong thing to do.” Senator John Glenn, also
cleared of any wrongdoing, said in 2002 that attending the two April
1987 meetings was “the worst mistake of my life”.
This is the only negative political issue or investigation that has
marred McCain’s political career. He has asked for and received $0 in
earmarks. He is a staunch advocate of fighting government corruption
and excess. THIS EXPERIENCE WITH KEATING WAS THE GENESIS FOR HIS FIGHT
AGAINST GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION [ in which ObaMao is deeply steeped ].
He acknowledge his error in judgment and has moved on with his career.
Barack Obama will not acknowledge any of his errors of judgment.
So now that we know the story of the Keating Five, allow me to present
to you the Obama Five:
Willam Ayers - Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist with whom Obama has had
a long and more than casual relationship.
Tony Rezko - Convicted Chicago-style felon, neighbor and house
shopping partner.
Reverend Doctor Jeremiah Wright - Inflammatory and divisive preacher
that admitted that Obama would need to distance himself from.
Franklin Raines - Former Fannie Mae CEO mired in a $6.3 billion book
cooking scandal, and an Obama economic advisor.
James Johnson - Another former Fannie Mae CEO, improperly deferred
$200M in expenses, allowing him to receive a bonus of nearly $20
million. He also briefly led Obama’s search and selection of Joe Biden
as Obama’s VP candidate.
http://TheRealBarackObama.wordpress.com/
McCain met twice with a constituent and distanced himself from the
issue as soon as he learned of any potential criminal wrongdoing.
Obama has a long track record of questionable relationships and poor
judgment. To me there is no comparison.
http://cann0nba11.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/obama-five/
Dave
>
> Willam Ayers - Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist with whom Obama has had
> a long and more than casual relationship.
Obama has no relationship w/ William Ayres. He was not involved in any
WUO activity, and has described the acts as despicable.
> Tony Rezko - Convicted Chicago-style felon, neighbor and house
> shopping partner.
Punk. Every politician has a few of these in their closet.
> Reverend Doctor Jeremiah Wright - Inflammatory and divisive preacher
> that admitted that Obama would need to distance himself from.
Rev. Wright speaks the truth (always toxic)
> Franklin Raines - Former Fannie Mae CEO mired in a $6.3 billion book
> cooking scandal, and an Obama economic advisor.
I'll see your Franklin Raines and raise you a Phil and Wendy Graham.
> James Johnson - Another former Fannie Mae CEO, improperly deferred
> $200M in expenses, allowing him to receive a bonus of nearly $20
> million. He also briefly led Obama’s search and selection of Joe Biden
> as Obama’s VP candidate.
I don't think Mr. Johnson was around by the time Biden was picked. In a
$20 trillion crisis, what's $20 million? McCain has guys like this
answering the phones.
John McCain hangs out with fat cat warmongers, Zionists and
antisemitics, and has FNMA lobbyists running his campaign. There is no
equivalency. John McCain helped pave the way for this derivatives-based
economic collapse. Senator Obama did not.
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
RHF
- - saltyfishsa...@gmail.com wrote:
- - Willam Ayers - Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist
- - with whom Obama has had a long and more than
- - casual relationship.
- Dave -wrote-
- Obama has no relationship w/ William Ayres.
Dang Dave even Barack "H" Obama admits that
He Knows William Ayers personally and Served
with Him in several organiztions over the years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNkclbvuc9w
Barack "H" Obama's 'Weatherman' {Terrorist}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zzUh6O-TMI
Connection William Ayers
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
The Obama & Ayers Connection :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjvc6vfxRwI
Obama Associating with Weatherman Ayers
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-ed-ayers7-2008oct07,0,272665.story
Newly Released Documents Highlight Barack "H" Obama's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4vfj1hDRL8
Relationship With William Ayers
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/newly-released-documents-highlight-obamas-relationship-with-ayers/
Debunking Obama's Ayers "Fact Sheet"
http://townhall.com/Columnists/GuyBenson/2008/04/24/debunking_obamas_ayers_fact_sheet
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Dave
> On Oct 7, 6:09 am, Dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
> - - saltyfishsa...@gmail.com wrote:
> - - Willam Ayers - Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist
> - - with whom Obama has had a long and more than
> - - casual relationship.
>
> - Dave -wrote-
> - Obama has no relationship w/ William Ayres.
>
> Dang Dave even Barack "H" Obama admits that
> He Knows William Ayers personally and Served
> with Him in several organiztions over the years.
You can't even come up with a photo of the two of them together? Some
"relationship".
cheley_b...@live.com
RHF
> RHF wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 6:09 am, Dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
> > - - saltyfishsa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > - - Willam Ayers - Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist
> > - - with whom Obama has had a long and more than
> > - - casual relationship.
>
> > - Dave -wrote-
> > - Obama has no relationship w/ William Ayres.
>
> > Dang Dave even Barack "H" Obama admits that
> > He Knows William Ayers personally and Served
> > with Him in several organiztions over the years.
- You can't even come up with a photo
- of the two of them together?
- Some "relationship".
Dave
http://www.faithmouse.com/barack_omuppet.jpg
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Which parts of Barack "H" Obama's own words
'acknowledges' and 'admits' do you not understand ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-45A6I-N5I
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William Ayers Not Guilty As Hell !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJrNQBUVMvo
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Facts about William Ayers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkf1p4viMU
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The 'connection' between Bernadette Dohrn and Michelle Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMOtNHyejrU
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Barack "H" Obama's New Stunning Connection to William Ayers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAjhSGW6CTI
Follow the Money : Ayers to Obama to Ayers
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The American Issues Project Interview about the
Barack "H" Obama and Bill Ayers Connection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcOy4yQ64Ck
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Barack "H" Obama Admits to working with William Ayers
a Member of the 1960s Domestic Terrorist Group the
"Weatherman Underground Organization" [WUO] which
Bombed Washington DC and Killed Americans
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/70bcec13fb073aeb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)
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NOTE - President Jimmy Carter’s Pardon {Amnesty}
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/vietnam/vietnam_1-21-77.html
for Anti-War Draft Dodgers included the Terrorist
"Weatherman Underground Organization" [WUO]
members such as Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernadine_Dohrn
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Bernard Peters
> saltyfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> I don't think Mr. Johnson was around by the time Biden was picked. In a
> $20 trillion crisis, what's $20 million? McCain has guys like this
> answering the phones.
>
>
> John McCain hangs out with fat cat warmongers, Zionists and
> antisemitics, and has FNMA lobbyists running his campaign. There is no
> equivalency. John McCain helped pave the way for this derivatives-based
> economic collapse. Senator Obama did not.
Plus,
McCain't has onset Alzheimer's, chemo brain and was brainwashed for 5
years by the commies. Even the republican't party it's self pointed that
last one out in 2000. Is'nt that hypocritical?!
RHF
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:09:44 +0000, Dave wrote:
> > saltyfishsa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I don't think Mr. Johnson was around by the time Biden was picked. In a
> > $20 trillion crisis, what's $20 million? McCain has guys like this
> > answering the phones.
>
> > John McCain hangs out with fat cat warmongers, Zionists and
> > antisemitics, and has FNMA lobbyists running his campaign. There is no
> > equivalency. John McCain helped pave the way for this derivatives-based
> > economic collapse. Senator Obama did not.
- Plus,
- McCain't has onset Alzheimer's, chemo brain
- and was brainwashed for 5 years by the commies.
- Even the republican't party it's self pointed that
- last one out in 2000. Is'nt that hypocritical?!
BP,
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Just love when you Can'tadians© tell us Americans
Who To Vote For -clearly- You are Suffering from
Can'tzheimers Syndrome; and Massive Can'tmotherapy
and a lifetime of Can'twashing by the Can'tArians©
.
Can'tArian© : Great White North Liberal Elitist Thinking
that is Based on the Belief that Can'tadians© far-superior
to Americans and the Idea that Can'tada© is better-then
the USA. - - - Each of which is wrong, Wrong. WRONG !
.
Can'tocrats© and Can'tpublicans© are both afflected
by this Can'tadian© Obsession with American Politics
and Elections in which THEY CAN'T VOTE !
Which results in Mental Disease of Can'tchosis©.
.
Can'tocrit© : Any Can'tadian© posting from from
Can'tada© who has everything Bad to Say/Write
about the USA and Hateful about Americans
-and- Very little or nothing good or bad to say
about Can'tada© and Can'tadians©.
* Classic Symtoms of the Mental Disease of Can'tchosis©.
.
Point-of-Fact : Can'tocrits© Hate the USA and Americans
more than they Love Can'tada© and Can'tadians©.
* Another Manifestation of the Mental Disease
of Can'tchosis©.
.
OH CAN'TADA© so 'close' to the USA {America}
and so far away from the Heart of Europe.
.
Why Do Can'tadians© {Does Can'tada©} Think They
Have a Voice {a Vote} in the US Presidential Election ?
* Cause they suffer from the Mental Disease of Can'tchosis©.
.
Who Yes Who Put the CAN'T in Canada and Canadian
-rhf- That's Who : Can'tada© -and- Can'tadians©
.
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Can'tada© Yes You Can't -cause-
alas you are only Can'tadians© ~ RHF
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Canada the Canadian Great White North
Canada Canadian Psychosis / Neurosis
Canada Canadian Health / Heath-Care
Canada Canadian Mental / Physical / Spiritual
Canada Canadian Disease / Illness / Injury
Canada Canadian Election / Elections / Vote
Canada Canadian Politics / Political / Politicians
Canada Canadian Liberal / Socialist / Socialism
Canada Canadian Elitist Thinking / Relative Morality
Canada Canadian Brainwashing / Mind Control
Canada Canadian Alzheimers / Brain / Mind
Canada Canadian Chemotherapy / Drugs / Pharmacy
Canada Canadian Arian / Skinhead
Canada Canadian Race / Racist / Racism
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Bernard Peters
Your Wrong as usual...
Though I'm not Canadian, it seems they are smarter then Americans at
picking a presidents then we are. They should be as they have a better
edumacation system thanks to Bush's "No Child Left A Dime" program.
Perhaps we can change our country back to something we can be proud of
once the republiCANT's leave office
dxAce
Bernard Peters wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:43:10 -0700, RHF wrote:
>
> Your Wrong as usual...
'You're'
>
>
> Though I'm not Canadian, it seems they are smarter then Americans at
> picking a presidents then we are.
'president'
> They should be as they have a better
> edumacation system thanks to Bush's "No Child Left A Dime" program.
'education'
>
>
> Perhaps we can change our country back to something we can be proud of
> once the republiCANT's leave office
Yep, we'll all certainly be proud of our huts and that $12 a year to live on.
Damn Proud!
NoBama!
RHF
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:43:10 -0700, RHF wrote:
- Your Wrong as usual...
BP - When I Am Wrong : I Am WRONG BigTime ! ~ RHF
- Though I'm not Canadian, it seems they are smarter
- then Americans at picking a presidents then we are.
.
BP -fyi- Canada has a "PM" as in Prime Minister
and a Governor General plus a Queen :o)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
-but- NO PRESIDENT [.] ~ RHF
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Prime Minister of Canada : Stephen Harper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Canada
* Parliamentary Democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_system
* Canadian Federal Parliament is a Bi-Cameral System
with a Senate and a House-of-Commons
.
Governor General : Michaëlle Jean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada
.
Queen {Monarch} : HM Queen Elizabeth II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom
.
dang 'bp' you ain't a canadian
dang you sure fooled me ~ RHF
-ps- i know that was easy to do ;-)
.
- They should be as they have a better edumacation
- system thanks to Bush's "No Child Left A Dime"
- program.
No Child Left Behind Act of 2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act
http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/index.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/no-child-left-behind.html
* No Child Left Behind Federal Spending has Risen
41% to $24.4 Billion since the Law was enacted.
http://www.ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2008/02/02042008.html
* That is New Federal Tax Dollars going into our
Local Schools for Child Education.
* Actually the No Child Left Behind Act was a
Re-Authorization of the original Elementary
and Secondary Education Act of 1965 {LBJ:-}.
http://www.heritage.org/research/education/wm1406.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/research/education/bg2044.cfm
.
- Perhaps we can change our country back to something
- we can be proud of once the republiCANT's leave office
.
BP - Hey I Am Proud To Be An American Today -and-
IMHO Every Day Is A Good Day To Be An American.
.
God {Allah} Bless America and Every American
Citizen - Amen ~ RHF
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Bernard Peters
> On Oct 7, 2:43 pm, Bernard Peters <s...@boom.bang> wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:43:10 -0700, RHF wrote:
> -
> - Your Wrong as usual...
>
> BP - When I Am Wrong : I Am WRONG BigTime ! ~ RHF
>
> - Though I'm not Canadian, it seems they are smarter - then Americans at
> picking a presidents then we are.
> .
> BP -fyi- Canada has a "PM" as in Prime Minister and a Governor General
> plus a Queen :o) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
> -but- NO PRESIDENT [.] ~ RHF
> .
(SMACK) They would have never picked BUSH for OUR prez. I remember the
threads. You insinuated that I though Canada has a president. Arg! No
wonder were in trouble. Perhaps we should not let the stupid vote!
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
Telamon
wrote:
> saltyfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Willam Ayers - Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist with whom Obama has had
> > a long and more than casual relationship.
> Obama has no relationship w/ William Ayres. He was not involved in any
> WUO activity, and has described the acts as despicable.
> > Tony Rezko - Convicted Chicago-style felon, neighbor and house
> > shopping partner.
> Punk. Every politician has a few of these in their closet.
> > Reverend Doctor Jeremiah Wright - Inflammatory and divisive preacher
> > that admitted that Obama would need to distance himself from.
> Rev. Wright speaks the truth (always toxic)
> > Franklin Raines - Former Fannie Mae CEO mired in a $6.3 billion book
> > cooking scandal, and an Obama economic advisor.
> I'll see your Franklin Raines and raise you a Phil and Wendy Graham.
> > James Johnson - Another former Fannie Mae CEO, improperly deferred
> > $200M in expenses, allowing him to receive a bonus of nearly $20
> > million. He also briefly led Obamaąs search and selection of Joe Biden
> > as Obamaąs VP candidate.
> I don't think Mr. Johnson was around by the time Biden was picked. In a
> $20 trillion crisis, what's $20 million? McCain has guys like this
> answering the phones.
>
>
> John McCain hangs out with fat cat warmongers, Zionists and
> antisemitics, and has FNMA lobbyists running his campaign. There is no
> equivalency. John McCain helped pave the way for this derivatives-based
> economic collapse. Senator Obama did not.
How do you manage to get this stuff backward?
Why not look at their voting record and the speeches they made before
congress. Why not look at who got the biggest payoff from Fanny-may and
freddy-mac?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Billy Burpelson
> Yep, we'll all certainly be proud of our huts and that $12 a year to live on.
If/when the next Great Depression kicks in (and it's getting damn
close), we'll all be lucky to have a hut and 12 bucks...no matter who is
elected.
Dave
> Why not look at their voting record and the speeches they made before
> congress. Why not look at who got the biggest payoff from Fanny-may and
> freddy-mac?
>
Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac are scapegoats. This crisis is because of
derivatives (the Wall Street equivalent of Fantasy Finance). There is
somewhere between 50 and 500 trillion dollars in worthless paper out
there and the toxic asset bailout is simple misdirection while the
perpetrators use the cover to buy gold and flee to Dubai.
Like I have been saying, the USA is over.
Telamon
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> Telamon wrote:
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> > Why not look at their voting record and the speeches they made before
> > congress. Why not look at who got the biggest payoff from Fanny-may and
> > freddy-mac?
> >
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> Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac are scapegoats.
No. This is where the bad loans originated. This is the direct
connection to congress.
> This crisis is because of derivatives (the Wall Street equivalent of
> Fantasy Finance). There is somewhere between 50 and 500 trillion
> dollars in worthless paper out there and the toxic asset bailout is
> simple misdirection while the perpetrators use the cover to buy gold
> and flee to Dubai.
This is where the problem got multiplied in dollars. Before this fiasco
the industry was regulated and there was oversight by congress but then
the Democraps took over with their mandate to insure the minorities got
the houses they wanted whether they could afford them or not. Fanny-may
and Freddy-mac started the loan re-packaging assemble line so that
people did not realize that they were a much higher risk than in the
past. Nobody expected that the quasi-governmental loan origination
agencies had greatly increased their default exposure with these
repackaged loans.
> Like I have been saying, the USA is over.
For us taxpayers.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
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> In article <0J2Hk.343$3E4....@newsfe13.iad>, Dave <d...@dave.dave>
Dave - To Everything That Telamon Said - ditto ~ RHF
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