Will SW radios become obsolete?

[Too_Many_Tools]

With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
SWL.

Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?

TMT

[dxAce]

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Nah, always something of interest out there.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

[D. Peter Maus]

The big guns have all abandoned SW to developed countries. BBC
still broadcasts to africa. DW, RNW and the others have moved to
satellite and internet distribution.

But as politics in the world heat up, SW will become an
important element of communcations again once tensions reach the
point where walls start going up. Internet streams can be censored.
Satellite radio can be shut off. That leaves terrestrial radio.
500,000 watts can't stopped at national boarders.

The Cold War was the reason for the pervasion of SW broadcasts.
Of course, there were jamming attempts. Some more successful than
others. But, the messages got where they were intended through radio
beamed in from out of country.

The technology isn't dead. It may be dormant, now. But it's not
dead. And when communications are down, Radio is one of the few
technologies that can be brought to bear quickly, and competently.
With organized traffic nets in every state.

So, no, SW radios are not obsolete. Nor will they be for some
years, yet.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Nov 22, 11:51 am, "D. Peter Maus" <dpeterm...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

Good comments.

Do you think frequencies will be reallotted for other purposes?

Unused spectrum is valuable in today's wireless world.

TMT

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Shortwave Radio and Ham Radio and even CB Radio will Always be useful.

Heh, I had to come down out of my attic for a while, it's dusty up
there, especially working my broom up there! also to take doggy out in
the front yard (she took a poop and a pee) and breathe some fresh Air.

Heh, Bait Car is on the tru TV channel right now, is GOOD! Those car
jackers in California are working overtime, according to a CHP Officer
on Bait Car.
cuhulin

[D. Peter Maus]

On HF...maybe. But probably not as much as you think. A lot of
digital services can be squeezed into a handful of channels. About
10 years ago, I looked at a QEI Quick Link for my remote broadcast
business. A digital site-to-studio link that was frequency agile
over 12 channels, and used a number of different pn codes to
digitally encode the audio on the transmit end, and then decode it
on the receive end. I may have the numbers wrong on that, it has
been a decade or more. But the point was that the audio was clean,
reasonably secure.

When I asked about intereference, the rep showed me the results
of a test that had 20 or so of these devices all
transmitting/receiving on the same channel with different pn codes,
and non could see any of the others.

Where digital will be the mode of choice, spectrum space will be
less of an issue. Meaning that a few channels here and there could
be reallocated to digital modes, without significantly crowding
remaining spectra while still accomodating a large number of users.

And DRM is still in use in some broadcast bands by SW broadcasters.

[SX-25]

In the US we have all been duped into belief that anything that is not the
latest thing is obsolete. Meanwhile, just in the last year, numerous other
countries have initiated and/or expanded their shortwave coverage. While
we're running around with fogged heads patting ourselves on the back on our
perceived trend-setting status...as is so often the case...we are myopic
about what is really going on around us.

Shortwave broadcasting offers much that the Internet does not; portability,
anonymity and simplicity. I am certain shortwave will be around for a long
time; probably outlasting Internet so-called "broadcasting."

[user]

dxAce wrote:

> Nah, always something of interest out there.
>
> dxAce
> Michigan
> USA

Every working day for truck drivers, there is "onderweg" on rnw.nl.

Analogue shutdown will be postponed to 2020, and then to ..

PS: hourly shortwave schedules here:
--
--
What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go!
http://shortwave.tk
700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations.tk
300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages.tk

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> Unused spectrum is valuable in today's wireless world.

Some has, 7100-7200 HZ has been re-alocated to a ham band. I think it is
supposed to be clear of SWBC stations in 2010.

Before someone from the US goes and says it already is a ham band, it is only
one in the Western Hemisphere. Here in ITU zone 1 (and zone 3), it was
7000-7100 until a few years ago, now it is 7000-7200, but there are still
s-meter pinning SWBC stations on there.

In some parts of the world there is a new 5mHz ham band, but I don't think
it came from SWBC allocation.

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM

[Ian Jackson]

In message <4B09730C...@milestones.com>, dxAce
<dx...@milestones.com> writes

Not if insidious growth of BPL (Broadband over Power Lines) or PLT
(Power Line Telecommunications) continues unchecked.
--
Ian

[dxAce]

Ian Jackson wrote:

You want us to come over and save you yet again?

[dxAce]

dxAce wrote:

And impregnate your young women too?

Think hard before ya answer.

[dxAce]

dxAce wrote:

Bottom line, boy, no matter what you clown 'tards dream up, there will always be
something to listen to.

I've heard your doom and gloom stories since I re-entered the hobby circa 1981,
and I've always found something of interest to listen to,

[dave]

The ARRL is representing some of us in this matter.

[dxAce]

dave wrote:

Dream on...

[dxAce]

dave wrote:

You no-coders are not intelligent enough for anyone to represent you, more
than likely they'll take your money before they deport you, you drug addled
fool!

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Limeys need to save themselves from Limey govt,,, according to some
articles at www.rense.com
In World War Two, a lot of them wimmins in UK got impregnated.

Up next on the ion TV channel at 6:00 PM, Waterworld movie.
cuhulin

[Gregg]

I doubt it, at least not in my lifetime.

[dxace1]

As someone who has worked in the international broadcasting field for
more than 30 years, it's my opinion that shortwave, used for
international broadcasting, will indeed pass away.

It's certainly no joy for me to say that, as I was one of those group
of kids who grew up with SW in his veins -- and in fact, I still have
the addiction even in these days of rapid decline for SW.

But there is just no way that ANYONE in coming years will choose SW
over other broadcast media. And the promise of DRM has faded as well.

As a Perseus owner, I have to say that even SDR (Software Defined
Radios), in so far as they are used to receive shortwave broadcasts,
are already becoming pretty much useless given rapidly declining number
of broadcasts available -- perhaps Amateur Radio Operators and
intelligence agencies will continue to find SDR useful.

I predict it will pretty much be WIFI/Internet delivery, leaving those
of us who cut our teeth with DX-160's, SONYs and Hammarlunds, riding
what remains of SWBC until the end.

Sorry to be such a downer, but that's the reality. On the bright side,
just think of how many great radios will be available for a song!

--
dxace1

[Ian Jackson]

In message <4B09C312...@milestones.com>, dxAce
<dx...@milestones.com> writes

It may indeed become necessary. A short spell of your 'Shock and Awe'
might help us focus on the realities of life.
--
Ian

[dxAce]

Bob Dobbs wrote:

> dxace1 wrote:
> >On the bright side,
> >just think of how many great radios will be available for a song!
>

> How 'great' is a box that lights up, makes static sounds, and little else?

Bob, it would be somewhat of an improvement for you, would it not?

[Ian Jackson]

In message <4b09cdf4$0$28788$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com>, dave
<da...@dave.dave> writes

The RSGB is representing ALL of us on this matter.
--
Ian

[dxAce]

Ian Jackson wrote:

> In message <4B09C312...@milestones.com>, dxAce
> <dx...@milestones.com> writes
> >
> >
> >Ian Jackson wrote:
> >
> >> In message <4B09730C...@milestones.com>, dxAce
> >> <dx...@milestones.com> writes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
> >> >> SWL.
> >> >>
> >> >> Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
> >> >> seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?
> >> >
> >> >Nah, always something of interest out there.
> >> >
> >> Not if insidious growth of BPL (Broadband over Power Lines) or PLT
> >> (Power Line Telecommunications) continues unchecked.
> >
> >You want us to come over and save you yet again?
> >
> It may indeed become necessary. A short spell of your 'Shock and Awe'
> might help us focus on the realities of life.

I'd focus first on deporting clown 'tards, as they don't seem to adapt well to
living on a moist green island, they rather prefer a more dry granular material
beneath their feet.

[Ian Jackson]

In message <4b0c0593.9839312@chupacabra>, Bob Dobbs
<chupa...@operamail.com> writes

>Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
>>
>>In some parts of the world there is a new 5mHz ham band, but I don't think
>>it came from SWBC allocation.
>

>If you're talking about the 60m HAM band,
>it's only five 'channels' in an otherwise ute band.

Not in Norway, it isn't any longer. They have just been granted access
to the whole band. They now have a secondary allocation at 5.260 to
5.410MHz, all modes with a 6kHz maximum bandwidth.
<http://www.cqhq.co.uk/2009/11/norway-on-5mhz.html>
<http://cqhq.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/60m-band-for-norway/>
>
>All USB and power restricted.
>http://60meters.net/
--
Ian

[dxAce]

dxace1 wrote:

And ride it to the end we shall!

From one Djibouti traveller to another, good to hear from you!

dxAce (2)

[dxAce]

Bob Dobbs wrote:

> I've got some rather decent SW radio equipment
> so I don't know what you're referring to,
> but that's not an unusual result of your babble.

Sorry, I thought you were still operating that 23 channel box.

Apologies.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

[Mike K.]

On Nov 22, 12:23 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
> SWL.
>
> Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
> seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?
>

> TMT

I doubt SW will ever become totally obsolete. It's enough cheaper to
recieve (compared to satelite or Internet transmission) that
broadcasts to the developing world are likely to continue for a long
time and it's enough cheaper to transmit (for semi-developed countries
like Russia which have all the gear, but don't have massive amounts of
dirt-cheap Internet bandwidth capacity) that they'll continue
broadcasting for quite some time too. It's a shame that the great
Western European broadcasters no longer beam a signal at North
America, but as long as you stay away from the new and just listen to
the music and cultural programming, stuff like Voice of Russia, RCI
and Radio Havan is pretty fun.

Mike

[Keith]

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:23:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
>SWL.
>
>Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
>seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?
>
>TMT

As soon as all the people in the third world get computers and broadband
connections you will see SWL broadcasting go away. We will see a lot less
of English broadcasts to NA, but plenty of broadcasts to other parts of
the world that don't use the English language.

--
Best Regards, Keith
http://home.comcast.net/~kilowattradio/
Tired of Google Groups?
http://home.comcast.net/~kilowattradio/usenet.html

[Lukagain Cos ThistleBounce]

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:23:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
>SWL.
>
>Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
>seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?
>
>TMT

Possibly - unless off course there was even the slightest possibility
of a "digital collapse"......
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/25/bbc-news-pre-digital-age
pertains!

[HD Radio Farce]

On Nov 22, 6:48�pm, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> Ian Jackson wrote:

> > In message <4B09730C.C44C2...@milestones.com>, dxAce

> The ARRL is representing some of us in this matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"Court Finds FCC Violated APA in BPL Decision"

"In its decision, the Court agreed with the ARRL that the FCC had
failed to comply with the Administrative Procedure Act (APA)... ARRL
President Joel Harrison, W5ZN, concluded: 'I am very pleased that the
Court saw through the FCC's smoke screen and its withholding of valid
engineering data that may contradict their position that the
interference potential of BPL to Amateur Radio and public safety
communications is minimal.'"

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/04/25/10064/?nc=1

Those criminals at the FCC got caught with their pants down.

[HD Radio Farce]

"Death of Digital Radio Mondiale in 2008 as well?"

"From both formal and informal discussions among participants at the
HFCC, it is now clear that the proposed DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale)
system, that would have converted analogue Shortwave to digital, FM
like quality reception would hardly be implemented if ever on a large
scale, beyond the current experimental stage."

http://tinyurl.com/b6z5lr

Thank goodness - there are a lot less running DRM, only a couple:

http://home.centurytel.net/danielsampson/america.txt

[spora...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 12:23:10 PM UTC-5, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
> SWL.
>
> Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
> seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?
>

> TMT

The only thing left in short wave are the the old nostalgic listeners stuck in the past remembering the old days after that is all long gone, they are the same guys buying these radios from China been so cheap nowadays. In a few years after they are gone short wave will be nothing more than an anachronistic curiosity for historians and sentimentalists.

[fred k. engels®]

Uh... its been in steep decline for years since 2009 - you just wake
up from a coma?

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[Red]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 06:41:55 -0800, fred k. engels®
<t66699999gvn...@sdfj55ggggg55.com> wrote:

>Uh... its been in steep decline for years since 2009 - you just wake
>up from a coma?
>
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>On Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 12:23:10 PM UTC-5, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>
>> Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
>> seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?

I think shortwave will become more like scanning or longwave, in that
it will be more about trying to listen to radio signals from other
countries, rather than trying to listen to content not aimed at North
America but already available on the Internet.

[allise...@gmail.com]

Some Scientists around the World are listening for signals from Space, ooofos and stuff.

[J.B. Wood]

On 01/06/2018 07:26 PM, spora...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> The only thing left in short wave are the the old nostalgic listeners stuck in the past remembering the old days after that is all long gone, they are the same guys buying these radios from China been so cheap nowadays. In a few years after they are gone short wave will be nothing more than an anachronistic curiosity for historians and sentimentalists.
>

Hello, and perhaps broadcast SW radio is on the decline but
point-to-point (e.g. Amateur radio), especially long-distance HF, will
always be around IMHO. Comes in real handy when things like hurricanes
temporarily disable your infrastructure (wired/cell phones, internet,
etc). Sincerely, and 73s from N4GGO,
--
J. B. Wood e-mail: arl_1...@hotmail.com

[fred k. engels®]

Another Ham in dreamland;
Comes in real handy when things like jamming nets!!!!!!!!!!!!
The ARRL ...doesn't give a shit about Amateur radio
The F¢¢ ...doesn't give a shit about Amateur radio
F¢¢'s SHIT Pai ...doesn't give a shit about Amateur radio
BILLY THE DIAMOND SPRINGS DICKWAD...doesn't give a shit about Amateur radio
ELDON STEWART nobody cares ...doesn't give a shit about Amateur radio
jammer Kind Jewish Indian ...doesn't give a shit
jammer Herbie-Baby ...doesn't give a shit
jammer Sir Sidney ...doesn't give a shit
jammer Loose Orifice ...doesn't give a shit
jammers on 14,313 ...doesn't give a shit
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[allise...@gmail.com]

Sheesh, Fred. Lighten up.

[fred k. engels®]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQFVfXxy9U

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