Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if radios get cheap and available.
On Feb 14, 12:51 pm, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air > transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It > would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased > an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the > most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I > can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if > radios get cheap and available.
Excellent - looks like HD Radio/IBOC on AM is almost dead:
"RW Opinion: Rethinking AM's future"
"Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the anecdotal evidence suggests. (Ibiquity no longer reports in its public summaries whether a station is on the air.)"
Just imagine the Heinekens going out the door if everybody started having to have HD radios.There would be more ''Katrinas'' all over America.DIE,IBOC,DIE! cuhulin
On Feb 14, 9:51 am, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air > transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It > would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased > an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the > most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I > can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if > radios get cheap and available.
Interest in the NYC area is spectacularly low, despite the catchy sales slogan:
"It's high fidelity, just like FM--only you have to buy a special radio. And the program content will be basically the same content you already hear and don't care for on analog AM. And the signal won't carry as well, and there'll be drop outs. Don't miss out!"
Steve wrote: > On Feb 14, 9:51 am, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air > > transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It > > would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased > > an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the > > most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I > > can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if > > radios get cheap and available.
> Interest in the NYC area is spectacularly low, despite the catchy > sales slogan:
> "It's high fidelity, just like FM--only you have to buy a special > radio. And the program content will be basically the same content you > already hear and don't care for on analog AM. And the signal won't > carry as well, and there'll be drop outs. Don't miss out!"
Damn, you're really gonna piss Edweenie off with that..
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:51:05 -0500, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air >transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It >would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased >an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the >most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I >can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if >radios get cheap and available.
Also, WCBS 880 (50 kw) and WINS 1010 (50 kw but Canadian clear channel) (both Infinity all news outlets) say so on their web pages (wcbs880.com and 1010wins.com)
Googling around, I also see that Multiethnic's WPAT (930, Spanish music, Patterson, NJ) has an HD license which they use from time to time.
I don't see any indication that the two other 50 kw AM outlets in NYC (Disney sports WEPN 1050, Canadian clear channel, and Disney kids WQEW, 1560) are HD.
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:51:05 -0500, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net> > wrote:
> >Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air > >transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It > >would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased > >an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the > >most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I > >can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if > >radios get cheap and available.
> Also, WCBS 880 (50 kw) and WINS 1010 (50 kw but Canadian clear > channel) (both Infinity all news outlets) say so on their web pages > (wcbs880.com and 1010wins.com)
> Googling around, I also see that Multiethnic's WPAT (930, Spanish > music, Patterson, NJ) has an HD license which they use from time to > time.
> I don't see any indication that the two other 50 kw AM outlets in NYC > (Disney sports WEPN 1050, Canadian clear channel, and Disney kids > WQEW, 1560) are HD.
> On Feb 14, 12:51 pm, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air > > transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It > > would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased > > an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the > > most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I > > can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if > > radios get cheap and available.
> Excellent - looks like HD Radio/IBOC on AM is almost dead:
> "RW Opinion: Rethinking AM's future"
> "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of > reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the > anecdotal evidence suggests. (Ibiquity no longer reports in its public > summaries whether a station is on the air.)"
If AM stations don't do anything to stem the tide of losing listenership it will soon go the way of shortwave.
Why would anyone spend over a $1000 or $500 or $150 or even $30 on a shortwave radio and many feet of wire hanging precariously around the garden only to hope to listen to a handful or two of foreign radio stations broadcasting primarily propaganda in the English language for about 1 hour a day at best on constantly changing frequencies and schedules? All the while hoping 'Ol Sol will bless the listener with the rare event of no static, no fading and complete aural comprehension?
If you listen to anal-log shortwave you have got to be an idiot.
> God Bless everything Analog.When we speak,do our voice boxes broadcast > in Analog?,I think so.Mother Nature never used digital.
The entire Universe is digital - Physicists have yet to discover an analog sub-atomic particle. The screen you are reading this from is made up of discrete digital pixels - look closer > " . " Your analog senses can't resolve digital information smaller than 1/60th of a second in duration.
> > On Feb 14, 12:51 pm, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air > > > transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. > It > > > would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never > purchased > > > an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the > > > most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I > > > can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if > > > radios get cheap and available.
> > Excellent - looks like HD Radio/IBOC on AM is almost dead:
> > "RW Opinion: Rethinking AM's future"
> > "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of > > reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the > > anecdotal evidence suggests. (Ibiquity no longer reports in its public > > summaries whether a station is on the air.)"
> If AM stations don't do anything to stem the tide of losing listenership it > will soon go the way of shortwave.
> Why would anyone spend over a $1000 or $500 or $150 or even $30 on a > shortwave radio and many feet of wire hanging precariously around the garden > only to hope to listen to a handful or two of foreign radio stations > broadcasting primarily propaganda in the English language for about 1 hour a > day at best on constantly changing frequencies and schedules? All the while > hoping 'Ol Sol will bless the listener with the rare event of no static, no > fading and complete aural comprehension?
> If you listen to anal-log shortwave you have got to be an idiot.
> GOD BLESS IBOC, DRM, etc!- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Little do you realize, that news/talk/sports on the clear-channels command a higher advertising fee, than FM - too bad, asshole, AM is alive and well. It is IBOC, that is failing, not analog.
On Feb 15, 12:38 pm, "Guerite³" <a...@their.heads> wrote:
> > God Bless everything Analog.When we speak,do our voice boxes broadcast > > in Analog?,I think so.Mother Nature never used digital.
> The entire Universe is digital - Physicists have yet to discover an analog > sub-atomic particle. > The screen you are reading this from is made up of discrete digital pixels - > look closer > " . " > Your analog senses can't resolve digital information smaller than 1/60th of > a second in duration.
- give me a Nice Digital Earth Quake or Digital Tidal wave any day . . .
Digital Sunrises, digital Landslides, Digital Volcanic Eruptions,
Digital Plagues of Locusts, Too..
And, for you religious types, theres The Digital Crucifixion . . !
>Little do you realize, that news/talk/sports on the clear-channels >command a higher advertising fee, than FM - too bad, asshole, AM is >alive and well. It is IBOC, that is failing, not analog.
No, that is not true. Advertising is priced based on delivery of listeners, no matter what the format. It is always a function of a certain dollar amount for each thousand listeners, and pricing is by delivery.
A news talk station with good ratings gets the same rate as an FM with the same ratings in the age group an advertiser is buying.
The issue with news talkers is they often bill among the higer range in a market because they have higher numbers of minutes of spots. While most larger market FMs sell no more than 10 to 12 minutes of commercials, news talk often goes to 18 minutes and has more inventory.
The problem with AM news talk stations is that most have around half the listeners over age 55, where there are nearly no agency ad buys.
In the US, there are 4665 AMs as of last week. Of the ones in rated markets, only a small percentage, maybe 20% at best, are viable (decent signal and full market day and night coverage) and these tend to do well. The rest are either religious, brokered or ethnic.
For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2. So what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:51:05 -0500, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net> > wrote:
> >Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air > >transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It > >would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased > >an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the > >most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I > >can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if > >radios get cheap and available.
> Also, WCBS 880 (50 kw) and WINS 1010 (50 kw but Canadian clear > channel) (both Infinity all news outlets) say so on their web pages > (wcbs880.com and 1010wins.com)
> Googling around, I also see that Multiethnic's WPAT (930, Spanish > music, Patterson, NJ) has an HD license which they use from time to > time.
> I don't see any indication that the two other 50 kw AM outlets in NYC > (Disney sports WEPN 1050, Canadian clear channel, and Disney kids > WQEW, 1560) are HD.
> >Little do you realize, that news/talk/sports on the clear-channels > >command a higher advertising fee, than FM - too bad, asshole, AM is > >alive and well. It is IBOC, that is failing, not analog.
> No, that is not true. Advertising is priced based on delivery of listeners, > no matter what the format. It is always a function of a certain dollar > amount for each thousand listeners, and pricing is by delivery.
> A news talk station with good ratings gets the same rate as an FM with the > same ratings in the age group an advertiser is buying.
> The issue with news talkers is they often bill among the higer range in a > market because they have higher numbers of minutes of spots. While most > larger market FMs sell no more than 10 to 12 minutes of commercials, news > talk often goes to 18 minutes and has more inventory.
> The problem with AM news talk stations is that most have around half the > listeners over age 55, where there are nearly no agency ad buys.
> In the US, there are 4665 AMs as of last week. Of the ones in rated markets, > only a small percentage, maybe 20% at best, are viable (decent signal and > full market day and night coverage) and these tend to do well. The rest are > either religious, brokered or ethnic.
> For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2. So > what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable > FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.
There are a ton of AM stations in the D.C area, which I never listen to, anyway. I read, that news/talk/sports on the "clears" on AM are alive-and-well and command higher ad fees than FM. BTW, there is more- and-more negativity surrounding HD Radio, and it is all but dead on AM - IBOC shall die, as DAB has in Canada. Analog AM will be around for many years - too bad ! Consumers are not interested in HD Radio, as 75% of consumers are aware of HD Radio, but interest in HD Radio has been flat-lined for two years:
Have you ever listened to AM (MW) HD? The voices sound MUCH better than analog! It's actually pleasant to listen to. But, they are only HD during the day, so they're almost useless, except on weekends! That's why WINS AM is on FM-HD2, so that it can be on all day and night.
FM HD doesn't have too much of an audio improvement over analog HD. The thing with FM HD, is that you can have access to more programs.
In article <1171598732.491500.135...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
danr...@yahoo.com wrote: > Have you ever listened to AM (MW) HD? The voices sound MUCH better > than analog! It's actually pleasant to listen to. But, they are only > HD during the day, so they're almost useless, except on weekends! > That's why WINS AM is on FM-HD2, so that it can be on all day and > night.
> FM HD doesn't have too much of an audio improvement over analog HD. > The thing with FM HD, is that you can have access to more programs.
> > Most of the above are ' Talk Radio",
> > - what is the purpose of having them in HD ?- Hide quoted text -
Low bit rate audio does not sound "good." I find analog pleasant to listen too.
AM and FM Radio,most people listen to information,news,music or some other form of entertainment.Seems to me HD IBOC radios aren't exactly flying off the shelves compared to the millions of AM/FM radios that are sold in America every day. cuhulin.
>> For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2. >> So >> what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable >> FMs, the number of AMs is tiny. >There are a ton of AM stations in the D.C area, which I never listen >to, anyway.
And not one is vable. Not one covers the entire metro day and night.
> I read, that news/talk/sports on the "clears" on AM are >alive-and-well and command higher ad fees than FM.
As I said, this is not true. they get the same ad rates ("fee" is the wrong word) per listener as any other station. And there are only 24 or 25 of those stations (Former 1-A clears) in the whole country, out of nearly 5 thousand AM stations.
>BTW, there is more- >and-more negativity surrounding HD Radio, and it is all but dead on AM
No, it isn't. Stations in mmajor markets with good signals (about 150 stations in the top 100 markets) either are or will be on with HD. The rest don't matter as they have no audience and don't cover their markets.
>- IBOC shall die, as DAB has in Canada. Analog AM will be around for >many years - too bad !
Analog AM is dying. Fast. HD may not save it, but there is a chance. Without it, AM is fading and the only really big format news/talk, is starting to move to FM where it attracts attractive listeners for advertisers that it does not do on AM.
> Consumers are not interested in HD Radio, as >75% of consumers are aware of HD Radio, but interest in HD Radio has >been flat-lined for two years:
Interesting, since the "official" launch was in the second quarter of 2006.
> Have you ever listened to AM (MW) HD? The voices sound MUCH better > than analog! > It's actually pleasant to listen to. But, they are only HD during the > day, so they're almost useless, except on weekends! That's why WINS > AM is on FM-HD2, so that it can be on all day and night.
But there is so little AM listening at night that it really does not matter, business wise.
David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo' wrote:
> <danr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1171598732.491500.135640@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Have you ever listened to AM (MW) HD? The voices sound MUCH better > > than analog! > > It's actually pleasant to listen to. But, they are only HD during the > > day, so they're almost useless, except on weekends! That's why WINS > > AM is on FM-HD2, so that it can be on all day and night.
> But there is so little AM listening at night that it really does not matter, > business wise.
Better to cause interference in the daytime when there are lots of listeners.
I pick off Limbaugh from WJR now, a couple hundred miles away, instead of the local outlet, because the HD signal is cleaner audio-wise, and WJR doesn't add the trace of echo chamber that the local affiliate thinks makes them sound good.
However, I need an external AM antenna to do it.
The trouble with HD AM is that the ones using it aren't the ones paying the cost; the adjacent channel stations are. Why the FCC allows that, I can't say. Probably a payoff from IBOC.
><danr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1171598732.491500.135640@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> Have you ever listened to AM (MW) HD? The voices sound MUCH better >> than analog! >> It's actually pleasant to listen to. But, they are only HD during the >> day, so they're almost useless, except on weekends! That's why WINS >> AM is on FM-HD2, so that it can be on all day and night.
>But there is so little AM listening at night that it really does not matter, >business wise.
Broadcasting in the public interest includes the night.
