Re: Smokin Billy...Smoke This!
Krypsis
> On Nov 17, 12:40 pm, LarbGai <larb...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 6:13 pm, nurk_fred2000 <nurk_fred2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ------ ) ~~~
>>> ..)
>> ******Like all the other tossers (Kramer, Brian Anasta, Krypto et al)
>> SmokingBilly Goat has faded into the oblivion they so richly deserve.
>>
>> Who's next???????
>>
>> ;-)
>
> ***We've still got a couple of twits over at rec.radio.shortwave that
> seem to keep coming back to the NG like a bad rash...barnard, dobbs,
> and bill baka...we'll evetually run them out of town...in the end
> Trolls win...:-)
Here's a nice little post from SCT, a conversation in fact, that wasn't
crossposted to RRS. If there ever was any doubt that Gregg's troll
buddies were out to harass specific people, this should remove it. I
wonder if it's a coincidence that the troll's victims are also people
Gregg likes to harass? Nah, Gregg would never invite trolls to RRS ...
or would he???
Krypsis
Bill Baka
> nurk_fred2000 wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 12:40 pm, LarbGai <larb...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 17, 6:13 pm, nurk_fred2000 <nurk_fred2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ------ ) ~~~
>>>> ..)
>>> ******Like all the other tossers (Kramer, Brian Anasta, Krypto et al)
>>> SmokingBilly Goat has faded into the oblivion they so richly deserve.
>>>
>>> Who's next???????
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>
>> ***We've still got a couple of twits over at rec.radio.shortwave that
>> seem to keep coming back to the NG like a bad rash...barnard, dobbs,
>> and bill baka...we'll evetually run them out of town...in the end
>> Trolls win...:-)
Since you mention me by name why aren't you on the list? I hate
cross-posting to 20 groups for a 2 line response.
>
> Here's a nice little post from SCT, a conversation in fact, that wasn't
> crossposted to RRS. If there ever was any doubt that Gregg's troll
> buddies were out to harass specific people, this should remove it. I
> wonder if it's a coincidence that the troll's victims are also people
> Gregg likes to harass? Nah, Gregg would never invite trolls to RRS ...
> or would he???
>
> Krypsis
>
>
Still here.
Bill Baka
Krypsis
I was thinking that I hadn't quite "faded into oblivion" as stated by
that idiot larbgai. They might like me to fade away but I have no
intention of doing so.
I'd also like to know how those trolls are going to "run them out of
town"??? I suspect they are getting their dreams mixed up with their
capabilities.
Krypsis
Bill Baka
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> Krypsis wrote:
>>> nurk_fred2000 wrote:
>>>> On Nov 17, 12:40 pm, LarbGai <larb...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 17, 6:13 pm, nurk_fred2000 <nurk_fred2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ------ ) ~~~
>>>>>> ..)
>>>>> ******Like all the other tossers (Kramer, Brian Anasta, Krypto et al)
>>>>> SmokingBilly Goat has faded into the oblivion they so richly deserve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who's next???????
>>>>>
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> ***We've still got a couple of twits over at rec.radio.shortwave that
>>>> seem to keep coming back to the NG like a bad rash...barnard, dobbs,
>>>> and bill baka...we'll evetually run them out of town...in the end
>>>> Trolls win...:-)
I will talk radio but I am always getting sucked into way OT subjects
like this one. I'm not trolling and I would rather talk radio stuff.
>>
>> Since you mention me by name why aren't you on the list? I hate
>> cross-posting to 20 groups for a 2 line response.
>>>
>>> Here's a nice little post from SCT, a conversation in fact, that
>>> wasn't crossposted to RRS. If there ever was any doubt that Gregg's
>>> troll buddies were out to harass specific people, this should remove
>>> it. I wonder if it's a coincidence that the troll's victims are also
>>> people Gregg likes to harass? Nah, Gregg would never invite trolls to
>>> RRS ... or would he???
>>>
>>> Krypsis
>>>
>>>
>> Still here.
>> Bill Baka
>>
> Ditto.
>
> I was thinking that I hadn't quite "faded into oblivion" as stated by
> that idiot larbgai. They might like me to fade away but I have no
> intention of doing so.
So far I have found from 2 to over 5 troublemakers on every group so
this is not just this group.
>
> I'd also like to know how those trolls are going to "run them out of
> town"??? I suspect they are getting their dreams mixed up with their
> capabilities.
Good one. Snicker.
>
> Krypsis
>
>
Bill Baka
Brett_Delfs
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*****baka, krypto, ph.dufi, et al
no need for you to be "run out of town"
you just keep "running your mouths"
thats enough ammo for all us Distinguished Trolls
insert 'ur foot in mouth, exit out 'ur arse
by the by, any of you old sods related to out new resident idiot,
smokinbilly?
nurk_fred2000
>
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***Hey Delphs, they are all a bunch of pot smokin alcoholics...I
wouldn't give you a buck and a quarter for the whole lot...Oh and by
the by Baka, its the Distinguished Troll Society, just FYI...Now go
smoke a doobie, climb a tree with your underage flock, and smoke a
pole with SmokinBillyGoat, our new Klass Klown!...Dope Heads of Rec
dot Radio....UNITE!!!!
Bill Baka
Thanks for proving my "At least 2 assholes theory.".
Bill Baka
LarbGai
> I was thinking that I hadn't quite "faded into oblivion" as stated by
> that idiot larbgai. They might like me to fade away but I have no
> intention of doing so.
***** Errrrrrr Though you had me "killfiled" Krypto?
Seems we can add liar to your CV along with 55 years of bludging off
the public purse.
Hope you will stay, I enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself day
in and day out.
Cheers.
cuh...@webtv.net
Orrr, an old Frog (French) Citroen Deux CV car.
cuhulin
LarbGai
****** In a REAL language CV stands for curriculum vitae.
Bill Baka
Didn't Citroen make a CV model back in the 1950's--1960's?
They were weird looking hippie specials back then.
Bill Baka
D. Peter Maus
And fun to drive. When they ran.
Bill Baka
I mostly saw them in the shop by UC Berkley and not actually on the
street that much. If I recall correctly they had a trick suspension that
could raise or lower the whole car.(?)
D. Peter Maus
They call it 'hydro-lastic suspension.' It was on the DS and the
SM models, as well. In fact, it's the system that Rolls Royce uses.
That's the Second Sign of the Apocalypse, btw. When the French
build a complex system so well that it attracts the attention of
Rolls-Royce.
RHF
> LarbGai wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 3:17 am, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> >> CV means Certificate Vitae.In American language that means Job Resume.
- - - cuhulin
>
> > ****** In a REAL language CV stands for curriculum vitae.
>
- Didn't Citroen make a CV model back in the 1950's--1960's?
- They were weird looking hippie specials back then.
-
- Bill Baka
Citroën 2CV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV
http://www.tutorials3d.com/blueprints/citroen2cv.jpg
.
cuh...@webtv.net
Citroen Deaux CV Cars
What the HELL! Don't you mean......?
Devilmint, Devilmint, chemin gummm,,,
I wish I own me one of those old Citroen Deaux CV frog eye cars, with
the corrugated tin body on it.I saw a lot of those little cars when I
was in Vietnam.
One of my old 1950s Popular Mechanics magazines has an article about a
couple of guys who drove one of those frog eye Frog Citroen Deaux CV
cars across a desert in one of those foreign countries.Somehow, they ran
across some rocks and busted a hole in the oil pan.They patched up the
hole and they put some bananas in the engine because they didn't have
any engine oil.They made it to the next city where they had the engine
properly repaired.
cuhulin
Bill Baka
> On 11/21/09 15:09 , Bill Baka wrote:
>> Yeah,
>> I mostly saw them in the shop by UC Berkley and not actually on the
>> street that much. If I recall correctly they had a trick suspension that
>> could raise or lower the whole car.(?)
>
> They call it 'hydro-lastic suspension.' It was on the DS and the SM
> models, as well. In fact, it's the system that Rolls Royce uses.
Still, after all these years?
>
> That's the Second Sign of the Apocalypse, btw. When the French build a
> complex system so well that it attracts the attention of Rolls-Royce.
>
>
>
Yeah, that is strange, but the French do it their way or no way.
Didn't the Citroen's have a 4 cylinder Hemi or something to that effect?
I only saw one with the hood up and that is what it looked like.
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
standing next to any other make. Sort of like a VW beetle but tweaked.
Bill Baka
Krypsis
> LarbGai wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 3:17 am, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>>> CV means Certificate Vitae.In American language that means Job Resume.
>>> Orrr, an old Frog (French) Citroen Deux CV car.
>>> cuhulin
>>
>>
>>
>> ****** In a REAL language CV stands for curriculum vitae.
Did larbgai actually put in something moderately on topic? Pity he is
still whining about what other posters write even in his somewhat on
topic post. Some things never change.
>
> Didn't Citroen make a CV model back in the 1950's--1960's?
> They were weird looking hippie specials back then.
>
> Bill Baka
The Citroen 2CV was made until 1990 and almost 4 million were made.
Wierd looking hippie specials they may have been but they did for France
what the Model T Ford did for America.
Here is a potted history with quite a few pictures of the various
incarnations of the 2CV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV
Krypsis
Krypsis
I think you mean the Citroen DS with its hydropneumatic self-levelling
suspension.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_DS
The 2CV is an entirely different beast.
Historically, the first mass production car with front to rear
mechanical interconnected suspension was the 1948 Citro�n 2CV. The
suspension of the 2CV was extremely soft � it had low roll stiffness,
but its pitch stiffness was increased by using an interconnected
suspension. The leading arm / trailing arm swinging arm, fore-aft linked
suspension system together with inboard front brakes had a much smaller
unsprung weight than existing coil spring or leaf designs. The
interconnection transmitted some of the force deflecting a front wheel
up over a bump, to push the rear wheel down on the same side. When the
rear wheel met that bump a moment later, it did the same in reverse,
keeping the car level front to rear. The 2CV had a design brief to be
able to be driven at speed over a ploughed field. It originally featured
friction dampers and tuned mass dampers. Later models had tuned mass
dampers at the front with telescopic dampers / shock absorbers front and
rear.
I thought at first that they may have used torsion bars in the
suspension but it seems they use coil springs inside a sealed container.
Makes sense given they are noted for their extremely soft ride, a
feature impossible to attain with typical torsion bar suspensions.
Krypsis
Krypsis
Sounds like an urban legend to me. Haven't seen too many liquid banana
skins and vehicle engine lubrication systems rely on oil being pumped
through small passages to the bearings. Need a complete rebuild if they
travelled any distance at all. In reality, they'd need to do a complete
stripdown just to clean out the banana sludge.
The old banana skins in the differential story is getting long in the
tooth too. Might have worked in the days of bevel gear final drives but
wouldn't work with modern hypoid bevel drives.
Back in the days when we were into hotrods, a friend topped up his
hypoid final drive with a non-hypoid gear oil. Bad move as it heated up,
became noisy and died in no time flat. Hypoid final drives need an EP
(extreme pressure) gear oil as the gear teeth have a wiping motion that
will remove any lesser grade oil.
Can't be bothered with cars these days. Messed about with 'em enough in
the 50's, 60's and 70's. More interested in sedentary hobbies like short
wave radio listening and computers. In the old days, those chaps
crossing the desert might have used shortwave radio to stay in touch
with home base. Nowadays they'd use a sat phone.
(How's that for dragging the thread back on topic?)
Krypsis
Bill Baka
CV's of unknown vintage around the campus. The one I saw with the hood
up had the engine set way back and my memory says it was a V-4 liquid
cooled. Of course that was in 1966 so it is a stretch to say "For sure"
at this point.
Bill Baka
cuh...@webtv.net
engine is NOT an urban legend!
Did you know a lot of new cars nowadays of various brand names are built
on Renault design/platforms? It is the Truth!
cuhulin
Bill Baka
> The Citroen 2CV car which had bananas (without the banana skins) in the
> engine is NOT an urban legend!
You are right on this one. The banana itself will mush up enough to get
squirted onto enough critical parts (Rod bearings) that it could go some
miles if you didn't mash the gas or expect 6,000 RPM.
>
> Did you know a lot of new cars nowadays of various brand names are built
> on Renault design/platforms? It is the Truth!
> cuhulin
>
Sure is the truth. I owned about 6 Renaults, both R-8 and R-10's to
appreciate them and the engines were infinitely rebuildable since the
cylinders were replaceable. My wife joked that I liked the cars so much
we would drive them until the doors fell off, and the next week the
driver's door fell off the upper hinge. It was an easy fix but we were
both laughing so hard we didn't care.
The only thing that took them out for good was a warped Aluminum
cylinder head that could only be milled a few times.
Water cooled but damn good cars. One got 54 MPG on a road trip so I have
to laugh at these new car commercials bragging about 32 MPG highway.
Yawn.
Bill Baka
cuh...@webtv.net
a weird looking French car.
cuhulin
Krypsis
It is possible that they were fitted with a larger V4 liquid cooled
engine in the 70's and 80's models, at least those intended for export
to places like the US where fuel is cheap. There were a couple in the
inner suburbs here that I used to pass through on my way to work some
years back. Never saw under the bonnet of one so don't know what they
were equipped with.
Krypsis
Krypsis
> The Citroen 2CV car which had bananas (without the banana skins) in the
> engine is NOT an urban legend!
You have references to this?
>
> Did you know a lot of new cars nowadays of various brand names are built
> on Renault design/platforms? It is the Truth!
> cuhulin
references?
You saying it is the truth don't make it so!
Krypsis
>
Krypsis
> cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
>> The Citroen 2CV car which had bananas (without the banana skins) in the
>> engine is NOT an urban legend!
>
> You are right on this one. The banana itself will mush up enough to get
> squirted onto enough critical parts (Rod bearings) that it could go some
> miles if you didn't mash the gas or expect 6,000 RPM.
>>
>> Did you know a lot of new cars nowadays of various brand names are built
>> on Renault design/platforms? It is the Truth!
>> cuhulin
> Sure is the truth. I owned about 6 Renaults, both R-8 and R-10's to
Used to knock around a bit in an R4 in the mid 60's. Now they were
utilarian! I still remember the body roll. Never upended one though. I
think the body roll was a safety feature. The body roll scared you from
pushing it to the limits.
> appreciate them and the engines were infinitely rebuildable since the
> cylinders were replaceable. My wife joked that I liked the cars so much
> we would drive them until the doors fell off, and the next week the
> driver's door fell off the upper hinge. It was an easy fix but we were
> both laughing so hard we didn't care.
The Meharis I saw in Vietnam had a habit of dropping doors off. Those
plastic bodied Meharis were a load of junk. The plastic wasn't even
properly UV stabilised.
> The only thing that took them out for good was a warped Aluminum
> cylinder head that could only be milled a few times.
> Water cooled but damn good cars. One got 54 MPG on a road trip so I have
> to laugh at these new car commercials bragging about 32 MPG highway.
> Yawn.
>
> Bill Baka
It's all relative. Modern fuel injected engines are much more efficient
than the old carburetted versions were back in the 50's - 70's. Fuel
economy is aided and abetted by a number of factors; engine efficiency,
vehicle mass and aerodynamic factors being the three most important.
Power to weight ratio also plays a role. The Citroen 2CV had a very
light body coupled to its miniscule engine. It was practically
impossible to get poor fuel economy. You must remember, they were
designed for use in places where the price of fuel was akin to the price
of gold.
Krypsis
RHF
> On Nov 21, 12:55 pm, Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:> LarbGai wrote:
> > > On Nov 22, 3:17 am, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> > >> CV means Certificate Vitae.In American language that means Job Resume.
>
> - - - Orrr, an old Frog (French) Citroen Deux CV car.
> - - - cuhulin
>
>
>
> > > ****** In a REAL language CV stands for curriculum vitae.
>
> - Didn't Citroen make a CV model back in the 1950's--1960's?
> - They were weird looking hippie specials back then.
> -
> - Bill Baka
- Citroën 2CV
-ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV
- http://www.tutorials3d.com/blueprints/citroen2cv.jpg
- .
Citroën Ami 6 was another 'french' auto fashion
statement with some technical excellence
http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/michelin/ami/ami-6/ami-6-03.html
.
D. Peter Maus
> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>> On 11/21/09 15:09 , Bill Baka wrote:
>>> Yeah,
>>> I mostly saw them in the shop by UC Berkley and not actually on the
>>> street that much. If I recall correctly they had a trick suspension that
>>> could raise or lower the whole car.(?)
>>
>> They call it 'hydro-lastic suspension.' It was on the DS and the SM
>> models, as well. In fact, it's the system that Rolls Royce uses.
>
> Still, after all these years?
Impressive, eh?
Actually, I need to make a correction...hydro-elastic, as on the
2CV was used in cars like the Mini, Austin 1100, and it's MG
variant. It was a soft, relatively speaking, suspension that would
raise and lower the car on bumps rather than hobby-horse. This was
achieved by interconnecting hydraulic reservoirs fore and aft at the
wheels in place of springs. And it worked very well. Body roll was
still dreadful, but you take what you can get. And body roll didn't
have nearly the impact on control as the pitching fore and aft did.
The system used on the DS and SM and by other makes like
Rolls-Royce was 'hydro-pneumatic.' This was a mechanical system that
developed hydraulic pressure through an engine driven pump. (In one
iteration I worked on, the pump was electric, but I don't believe
this was a factory installation.)
I got to drive an SM in '75 for about 2 weeks. Maserati V-6, and
all the candy. It was something else.
The suspension would, indeed raise and lower the car as it was
started or stopped. What was seriously cool was the range of
adjustments available. For performance driving on paved roads, it
could be dialed down to lower the car for better ground effect. Or
raised on rough roads to increase clearance.
It could also be dialed in to increase or decrease stiffness. On
the track, lowered at maximum stiffness, it handled like an open
wheel race car. Less stiffness and raised, it handled like a luxury
sedan.
>>
>> That's the Second Sign of the Apocalypse, btw. When the French build a
>> complex system so well that it attracts the attention of Rolls-Royce.
>>
>>
>>
> Yeah, that is strange, but the French do it their way or no way.
Not unlike the Italians.
> Didn't the Citroen's have a 4 cylinder Hemi or something to that effect?
Actually, it was a watercooled flat twin, rumored to have been
based on the BMW Boxer engine. In fact, "2CV" is an abbreviation of
'deux chevaux vapeur', which translates to '2 steam horses.' But,
you're correct, they were hemispherical combustion chambers.
Bill Baka
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
>>> The Citroen 2CV car which had bananas (without the banana skins) in the
>>> engine is NOT an urban legend!
>>
>> You are right on this one. The banana itself will mush up enough to
>> get squirted onto enough critical parts (Rod bearings) that it could
>> go some miles if you didn't mash the gas or expect 6,000 RPM.
>>>
>>> Did you know a lot of new cars nowadays of various brand names are built
>>> on Renault design/platforms? It is the Truth!
>>> cuhulin
>> Sure is the truth. I owned about 6 Renaults, both R-8 and R-10's to
>
> Used to knock around a bit in an R4 in the mid 60's. Now they were
> utilarian! I still remember the body roll. Never upended one though. I
> think the body roll was a safety feature. The body roll scared you from
> pushing it to the limits.
I half rolled an R-8 while practicing for a Gymkhana event coming up. It
was a hard right to hard left that got me sliding on my right side. I
got out by way of the driver's side window, swore every word in the
book, grabbed the passenger roof edge and heaved the car upright. The
car's total weight was under 2,000 pounds so it wasn't a totally
Herculean feat, but the adrenaline of being that pissed off didn't hurt
either. I got in and drove it home and never had any delusions about
driving in one of those events in a Renault again.
>
>> appreciate them and the engines were infinitely rebuildable since the
>> cylinders were replaceable. My wife joked that I liked the cars so
>> much we would drive them until the doors fell off, and the next week
>> the driver's door fell off the upper hinge. It was an easy fix but we
>> were both laughing so hard we didn't care.
>
> The Meharis I saw in Vietnam had a habit of dropping doors off. Those
> plastic bodied Meharis were a load of junk. The plastic wasn't even
> properly UV stabilised.
I missed the whole Vietnam thing by being turned down even at the draft
board. The Meharis you describe sound like they were built to be disposable.
>
>> The only thing that took them out for good was a warped Aluminum
>> cylinder head that could only be milled a few times.
>> Water cooled but damn good cars. One got 54 MPG on a road trip so I
>> have to laugh at these new car commercials bragging about 32 MPG highway.
>> Yawn.
>>
>> Bill Baka
>
> It's all relative. Modern fuel injected engines are much more efficient
> than the old carburetted versions were back in the 50's - 70's.
Partially smoke and mirrors. I also had a 1961 Rambler American brick
with a flathead six that I re-geared to get over 38 MPG highway.
Fuel
> economy is aided and abetted by a number of factors; engine efficiency,
> vehicle mass and aerodynamic factors being the three most important.
I'm an engineer so don't even get me started on how much you don't know.
Even the manufacturers are too stupid to realize how to get over 40 MPG
even on a big V-8 or don't care. Take it to my email if you want an
education because I won't go that far off topic in the group.
> Power to weight ratio also plays a role. The Citroen 2CV had a very
> light body coupled to its miniscule (motorcycle?) engine. It was practically
> impossible to get poor fuel economy. You must remember, they were
> designed for use in places where the price of fuel was akin to the price
> of gold.
>
> Krypsis
Cheers,
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
> On 11/21/09 15:56 , Bill Baka wrote:
>> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>>> On 11/21/09 15:09 , Bill Baka wrote:
>>>> Yeah,
>>>> I mostly saw them in the shop by UC Berkley and not actually on the
>>>> street that much. If I recall correctly they had a trick suspension
>>>> that
>>>> could raise or lower the whole car.(?)
>>>
>>> They call it 'hydro-lastic suspension.' It was on the DS and the SM
>>> models, as well. In fact, it's the system that Rolls Royce uses.
>>
>> Still, after all these years?
>
>
> Impressive, eh?
>
> Actually, I need to make a correction...hydro-elastic, as on the 2CV
> was used in cars like the Mini, Austin 1100, and it's MG variant. It was
> a soft, relatively speaking, suspension that would raise and lower the
> car on bumps rather than hobby-horse. This was achieved by
> interconnecting hydraulic reservoirs fore and aft at the wheels in place
> of springs. And it worked very well. Body roll was still dreadful, but
> you take what you can get. And body roll didn't have nearly the impact
> on control as the pitching fore and aft did.
Cool idea.
>
> The system used on the DS and SM and by other makes like Rolls-Royce
> was 'hydro-pneumatic.' This was a mechanical system that developed
> hydraulic pressure through an engine driven pump. (In one iteration I
> worked on, the pump was electric, but I don't believe this was a factory
> installation.)
As usual, one bad thing to muck up a good thing.
>
> I got to drive an SM in '75 for about 2 weeks. Maserati V-6, and all
> the candy. It was something else.
Now I'm jealous.
>
> The suspension would, indeed raise and lower the car as it was started
> or stopped. What was seriously cool was the range of adjustments
> available. For performance driving on paved roads, it could be dialed
> down to lower the car for better ground effect. Or raised on rough roads
> to increase clearance.
>
> It could also be dialed in to increase or decrease stiffness. On the
> track, lowered at maximum stiffness, it handled like an open wheel race
> car. Less stiffness and raised, it handled like a luxury sedan.
>
>
That sounds so totally cool I want one now.
>>>
>>> That's the Second Sign of the Apocalypse, btw. When the French build a
>>> complex system so well that it attracts the attention of Rolls-Royce.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah, that is strange, but the French do it their way or no way.
>
> Not unlike the Italians.
>
>
>> Didn't the Citroen's have a 4 cylinder Hemi or something to that effect?
>
>
> Actually, it was a watercooled flat twin, rumored to have been based
> on the BMW Boxer engine. In fact, "2CV" is an abbreviation of 'deux
> chevaux vapeur', which translates to '2 steam horses.' But, you're
> correct, they were hemispherical combustion chambers.
>
>
>
>
>> I only saw one with the hood up and that is what it looked like.
>>
>> Bill Baka
>>
>
OK, you have me. Maybe it was an air cooled but either way it was a
strange engine compartment.
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> Didn't Citroen make a CV model back in the 1950's--1960's?
>
> that looked like recycled garbage cans?
>
Yes, and I have only seen one or two, ever. The ones I saw in the shop
were the DS up scale models so they must have been the professors.
Bill Baka
D. Peter Maus
No, you were right, it was watercooled. But, yeah...it was a
strange engine compartment.
D. Peter Maus
> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>> I got to drive an SM in '75 for about 2 weeks. Maserati V-6, and all
>> the candy. It was something else.
>
> Now I'm jealous.
>>
>> The suspension would, indeed raise and lower the car as it was started
>> or stopped. What was seriously cool was the range of adjustments
>> available. For performance driving on paved roads, it could be dialed
>> down to lower the car for better ground effect. Or raised on rough
>> roads to increase clearance.
>>
>> It could also be dialed in to increase or decrease stiffness. On the
>> track, lowered at maximum stiffness, it handled like an open wheel
>> race car. Less stiffness and raised, it handled like a luxury sedan.
>>
>>
> That sounds so totally cool I want one now.
Oh, no....you dont. The rolling chassis and the coachwork were
very nice. And the construction, the suspension, the electrics, were
all of the highest quality. And the balance of the car was so good,
if you got a flat on one of the rears, you could pull the wheel off,
toss it in the back and drive home on 3. The DS's, too, would do this.
But that engine was a Maserati V-6. And it pretty much came with
a mechanic. Literally, it had to be wrenched all week to drive it on
the weekends.
This was a variant on the Maserati V-6 that went into the
Bi-turbo that made it into this country. Very fun. Very fast. Very
nicely appointed. But the engines would blow up so often, tune-ups
were unnecessary.
Liza Minelli is lower maintenance than these engines.
And in the SM, which flat-out begged to be driven to its
potential, they just didn't last.
I know a guy at Hubbard Woods who tried to shoehorn a Menard
(Buick) V-6 into an SM. I don't know if he ever finished the
project. But THAT would have been a helluva ride.
When I was driving the M100, I met a guy at the service bay at
Continental who had a 2CV. He said it was the most amazing way to
meet women. He'd fire it up in the morning, and take it out on the
expressway, and more often than not, it would die on the road. And
he'd have to get out and wait for a flatbed. Damned near every time,
a nice lady would stop, and offer him a ride. He'd get her
number...and...well...I'm surprised he didn't need a dual hip
replacement.
He was doing better than I was, and I was driving a Lotus.
I still see a few Citroen's around from time to time. There's as
shop on the North Shore that perpetually has 4 or 5 DS's in the
bays. If I couldn't have a DB4 or DB5, I'd snap up a DS in a heartbeat.
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
> On 11/22/09 14:09 , Bill Baka wrote:
>> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
>>> I got to drive an SM in '75 for about 2 weeks. Maserati V-6, and all
>>> the candy. It was something else.
>>
>> Now I'm jealous.
>>>
>>> The suspension would, indeed raise and lower the car as it was started
>>> or stopped. What was seriously cool was the range of adjustments
>>> available. For performance driving on paved roads, it could be dialed
>>> down to lower the car for better ground effect. Or raised on rough
>>> roads to increase clearance.
>>>
>>> It could also be dialed in to increase or decrease stiffness. On the
>>> track, lowered at maximum stiffness, it handled like an open wheel
>>> race car. Less stiffness and raised, it handled like a luxury sedan.
>>>
>>>
>> That sounds so totally cool I want one now.
>
>
> Oh, no....you dont. The rolling chassis and the coachwork were very
> nice. And the construction, the suspension, the electrics, were all of
> the highest quality. And the balance of the car was so good, if you got
> a flat on one of the rears, you could pull the wheel off, toss it in the
> back and drive home on 3. The DS's, too, would do this.
>
> But that engine was a Maserati V-6. And it pretty much came with a
> mechanic. Literally, it had to be wrenched all week to drive it on the
> weekends.
I had no idea their engines were that bad.
>
> This was a variant on the Maserati V-6 that went into the Bi-turbo
> that made it into this country. Very fun. Very fast. Very nicely
> appointed. But the engines would blow up so often, tune-ups were
> unnecessary.
>
> Liza Minelli is lower maintenance than these engines.
OK, they are bad, since I get the reference.
>
> And in the SM, which flat-out begged to be driven to its potential,
> they just didn't last.
>
> I know a guy at Hubbard Woods who tried to shoehorn a Menard (Buick)
> V-6 into an SM. I don't know if he ever finished the project. But THAT
> would have been a helluva ride.
>
> When I was driving the M100, I met a guy at the service bay at
> Continental who had a 2CV. He said it was the most amazing way to meet
> women. He'd fire it up in the morning, and take it out on the
> expressway, and more often than not, it would die on the road. And he'd
> have to get out and wait for a flatbed. Damned near every time, a nice
> lady would stop, and offer him a ride. He'd get her
> number...and...well...I'm surprised he didn't need a dual hip replacement.
>
> He was doing better than I was, and I was driving a Lotus.
Heh. The best I could do here in the states these days would be a VW
'Thing'.
>
> I still see a few Citroen's around from time to time. There's as shop
> on the North Shore that perpetually has 4 or 5 DS's in the bays. If I
> couldn't have a DB4 or DB5, I'd snap up a DS in a heartbeat.
>
>
I haven't seen any in California lately. Maybe they were a college
phenomenon that faded away.
Bill Baka
D. Peter Maus
No, the 2CV was the watercooled flat hemi twin.
The DS was an inline 4. Hemi on DS 19 and up.
Bill Baka
things it is impossible to keep track of them all. From a flathead
Anglia to an MG-TC to a Vauxhal(sp?) it seems there is or was one of
everything in this state at some point.
Bill Baka
D. Peter Maus
A lot of them were pulled off the road on safety and emissions.
They were getting very hard to insure. And in the US they were sold
as luxury cars. Most Americans, in a car that cost as much as a
Cadillac, were looking for V-8 power, airconditioning, and fresh
style. Citroen did none of these things on the DS. Styling was
updated sporadically, power never graduated beyond I4 (though an I6
was planned), and air conditioning? Hmmmph. Not happening.
SM was in a different class. But they, too, didn't attract the
customers Citroen expected in the US.
Today, both DS and SM models are collectors items. Of the auto
museums I frequent, each has an SM. Pristine DS's have sold for
$200,000 and up.
D. Peter Maus
LOL! Well, you ARE in the land of the Movie Business. Where
vintage, collector and exotic cars are pretty much an industry.
You should go to the British Car Union meets around here. You'd
be stunned at how many models show up, including 3-wheel Moggies, 3
cylinder Berkeleys and every incarnation of MG you could imagine.
Including a stretch "B."
And damned near everyone of them from about 1930-1980 have
in-dash shortwave radios.
Bill Baka
Proving once again that Americans are spoiled beyond hope.
>
> SM was in a different class. But they, too, didn't attract the
> customers Citroen expected in the US.
>
> Today, both DS and SM models are collectors items. Of the auto
> museums I frequent, each has an SM. Pristine DS's have sold for $200,000
> and up.
>
>
That could explain why I haven't seen any for at least 15 years.
Thanks for the info.
Bill Baka
D. Peter Maus
> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>> On 11/22/09 15:18 , Bill Baka wrote:
>>> I haven't seen any in California lately. Maybe they were a college
>>> phenomenon that faded away.
>>
>>
>> A lot of them were pulled off the road on safety and emissions. They
>> were getting very hard to insure. And in the US they were sold as
>> luxury cars. Most Americans, in a car that cost as much as a Cadillac,
>> were looking for V-8 power, airconditioning, and fresh style. Citroen
>> did none of these things on the DS. Styling was updated sporadically,
>> power never graduated beyond I4 (though an I6 was planned), and air
>> conditioning? Hmmmph. Not happening.
>
> Proving once again that Americans are spoiled beyond hope.
No, we always smell that way.
If, as you suggest, Americans are spoiled, it's only because we've
built a culture where such expectations are possible. That doesn't
happen where a high standard of living is not the norm.
If it's true that Americans are spoiled, then it's also true that
we've earned the right through our efforts and successes to be spoiled.
Whether being spoiled is right or wrong is a matter of personal
conscience.
>>
>> SM was in a different class. But they, too, didn't attract the
>> customers Citroen expected in the US.
>>
>> Today, both DS and SM models are collectors items. Of the auto museums
>> I frequent, each has an SM. Pristine DS's have sold for $200,000 and up.
>>
>>
> That could explain why I haven't seen any for at least 15 years.
> Thanks for the info.
I'll bill you. Visa and Mastercard accepted.
p
cuh...@webtv.net
Popular Mechanics Magazine.
I read the article meself in my snail mail Popular Mechanics magazine,
wayyyyyyyyy back then.
www.popularmechanics.com
cuhulin, the References
cuh...@webtv.net
than other Horses.
cuhulin
dxAce
"D. Peter Maus" wrote:
> On 11/22/09 19:45 , Bill Baka wrote:
> > D. Peter Maus wrote:
> >> On 11/22/09 15:18 , Bill Baka wrote:
> >>> I haven't seen any in California lately. Maybe they were a college
> >>> phenomenon that faded away.
> >>
> >>
> >> A lot of them were pulled off the road on safety and emissions. They
> >> were getting very hard to insure. And in the US they were sold as
> >> luxury cars. Most Americans, in a car that cost as much as a Cadillac,
> >> were looking for V-8 power, airconditioning, and fresh style. Citroen
> >> did none of these things on the DS. Styling was updated sporadically,
> >> power never graduated beyond I4 (though an I6 was planned), and air
> >> conditioning? Hmmmph. Not happening.
> >
> > Proving once again that Americans are spoiled beyond hope.
>
> No, we always smell that way.
>
> If, as you suggest, Americans are spoiled, it's only because we've
> built a culture where such expectations are possible. That doesn't
> happen where a high standard of living is not the norm.
>
> If it's true that Americans are spoiled, then it's also true that
> we've earned the right through our efforts and successes to be spoiled.
>
> Whether being spoiled is right or wrong is a matter of personal
> conscience.
Yeah, and we're now able to give up eating porridge at every meal.
dave
>
> If, as you suggest, Americans are spoiled, it's only because we've
> built a culture where such expectations are possible. That doesn't
> happen where a high standard of living is not the norm.
>
How you call this a high standard of living? This country is dissolving.
dxAce
dave wrote:
Then there might not be a reason to deport your drug addled ass! You could get
moving to CanaDuh before your feet dissolve, boy!
Mark S. Holden
> On 11/21/09 15:09 , Bill Baka wrote:
>> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>>>> LarbGai wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 22, 3:17 am, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>>> CV means Certificate Vitae.In American language that means Job
>>>>>> Resume.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ****** In a REAL language CV stands for curriculum vitae.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I mostly saw them in the shop by UC Berkley and not actually on the
>> street that much. If I recall correctly they had a trick suspension that
>> could raise or lower the whole car.(?)
>
> They call it 'hydro-lastic suspension.' It was on the DS and the SM
> models, as well. In fact, it's the system that Rolls Royce uses.
>
> complex system so well that it attracts the attention of Rolls-Royce.
>
>
>
On the Rolls it was called a "hydro-static" suspension. They went from
having it on all 4 wheels in the early shadows to just on the rear for
the later ones. Rolls didn't let you adjust the height manually - it
just leveled it. This meant you also needed an actual jack instead of a
metal bar to change a flat. (But the jack was stupid nice)
Had to use Castrol brake fluid that mentioned it was approved by Girling
in those cars. (the system used the brake fluid)
Mechanics have to be careful servicing those systems as the accumulator
has explosive pressure.
The shadows would squeal a bit on hard cornering, but they held the road
pretty nicely for a 6000 pound car. Our mechanic told me squealing
tires was the car's way to let you know you were driving with enough
spirit to keep things from atrophying.
What I miss the most about that car was the massive trunk with a flat
floor. The EPA claimed it had a 14 cu ft trunk - I'm guessing that was
the largest size refrigerator they could fit in it. It would be great
for hauling my telescopes and radio equipment to star parties.
D. Peter Maus
Sounds like the autolevelling torsion bars of Packard, years ago.
>
> Had to use Castrol brake fluid that mentioned it was approved by Girling
> in those cars. (the system used the brake fluid)
>
I remember that part. I only worked on two of these, and that was
years ago. Both Shadows, as you point out.
> Mechanics have to be careful servicing those systems as the accumulator
> has explosive pressure.
>
> The shadows would squeal a bit on hard cornering, but they held the road
> pretty nicely for a 6000 pound car. Our mechanic told me squealing tires
> was the car's way to let you know you were driving with enough spirit to
> keep things from atrophying.
LOL! Nice way to think about it.
They really are overbuilt. With considerable performance power.
At a track event with the Ferrari Club, a guy showed up in a Bentley
and took the track with the Ferraris. He held his own, too.
Until the #1 turn.
>
> What I miss the most about that car was the massive trunk with a flat
> floor. The EPA claimed it had a 14 cu ft trunk - I'm guessing that was
> the largest size refrigerator they could fit in it. It would be great
> for hauling my telescopes and radio equipment to star parties.
Damn! Now THAT's some nice hauling. Sucks to have to make-do like
that.
>
Bill Baka
> On 11/22/09 19:45 , Bill Baka wrote:
>> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>>> On 11/22/09 15:18 , Bill Baka wrote:
>>>> I haven't seen any in California lately. Maybe they were a college
>>>> phenomenon that faded away.
>>>
>>>
>>> A lot of them were pulled off the road on safety and emissions. They
>>> were getting very hard to insure. And in the US they were sold as
>>> luxury cars. Most Americans, in a car that cost as much as a Cadillac,
>>> were looking for V-8 power, airconditioning, and fresh style. Citroen
>>> did none of these things on the DS. Styling was updated sporadically,
>>> power never graduated beyond I4 (though an I6 was planned), and air
>>> conditioning? Hmmmph. Not happening.
>>
>> Proving once again that Americans are spoiled beyond hope.
>
>
> No, we always smell that way.
>
> If, as you suggest, Americans are spoiled, it's only because we've
> built a culture where such expectations are possible. That doesn't
> happen where a high standard of living is not the norm.
>
> If it's true that Americans are spoiled, then it's also true that
> we've earned the right through our efforts and successes to be spoiled.
>
> Whether being spoiled is right or wrong is a matter of personal
> conscience.
Spoiled, to me, means Americans always want something done *for* them
and not *by* them. It will be stopped soon enough by giving the country
away piece by piece until it is too late. China practically owns us
thanks to the Wal-mart (China-mart) phenomena.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>> SM was in a different class. But they, too, didn't attract the
>>> customers Citroen expected in the US.
>>>
>>> Today, both DS and SM models are collectors items. Of the auto museums
>>> I frequent, each has an SM. Pristine DS's have sold for $200,000 and up.
>>>
>>>
>> That could explain why I haven't seen any for at least 15 years.
>> Thanks for the info.
>
>
> I'll bill you. Visa and Mastercard accepted.
>
> p
>
>
Visa for me.
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
and nobody wants to do anything to fix it. My personal standard of
living is gone due to overcrowding and paving over *all* of my childhood
haunts.
Corn fields to condo fields can't go on forever.
Reality (real reality, not TV) is a bitch.
Math rarely tells a lie, and it says we are growing exponentially and
will hit a wall of shit in the near future.
Bill Baka
Brett_Delfs
****Bob Dob, Baka, Ph.dufi, Kombat Kramer, Barnie...Do the
Distinguished Trolls one big huge FAT favor and turn your lard @$$es
in to your local police stations and I'm sure they will go easy on
you...I guess we's still have a problem here on UseNet though, you can
still post your trash from prison...Dopers Unite!
Bill Baka
> speed column shift, and two cycle engine that we had to carry a case of oil for
> and could only easily do full tank fill ups. I didn't have a SW Blaupunkt like
> my friends Mercedes had.
>
A friend of mine in 1976 had one of those and the routine was after work
he would get a few people to help him push start the car. I never saw
him use the starter.
When it was running it sounded like everything was about to fall off.
The last time I saw him he was still driving it, maybe waiting for the
doors to actually fall off.
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
Brett,
I am not a doper since my doctor suggested it and it works as intended,
I sleep.
Tobacco; NO.
Alcohol; NO.
THC; Minimal.
Prescription drugs; not effective.
Simple enough?
It does give me an excuse to do some DX'ing at 3:00 A.M. though.
Bill Baka
cuh...@webtv.net
www.rense.com
Rolls Royce engines and transmissions are based on Buick V8 engines, or
they used to be.
Speaking about FIAT, (Fabrica Italiano Automobili Turino, sumpin like
that anyway) that married Irish woman wayyyyyyyy over yonder across the
big pond, she drives a 2007 Fiat Punto Grande 1400 car.She once said
onetime when she was getting something out of the car she leaned on the
steering wheel and the car started talking to her.(some sort of a
talking computer thingy) I reckon she likes her car OK, I haven't heard
herself complaning about her car.
Some things we take for granted in new cars nowadays were first invented
and developed by Fiat and other foreign auto manufacturers.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
Bill Baka
> UK Police Blow Up Illegaly Parked Sports Car.
> www.rense.com
>
> Rolls Royce engines and transmissions are based on Buick V8 engines, or
> they used to be.
Where's the proof? GM transmissions are so bad they would tarnish the
image of Rolls Royce. As for Buick V8 engines they were nothing
exceptional. During the war the UK had to pull the Allison engines from
the P-51 Mustangs and put in Rolls Royce Merlins to get any real
performance.
Bill Baka
cuh...@webtv.net
Rolls Royce Factory in America
Rolls Royce's ''official explanation'' was that Rolls Royce wasen't
selling enough cars in America.TRUTH is though, the Rolls Royce cars
which were made in America were better and more reliable than the Rolls
Royce cars made in Limeyland.
I have stacks and stacks of hardback books here about antique and
vintage and classic cars.I read about it in one of my books.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
underground (down under the ground) Willys Jeep assembly plant down
there.I own a 1948 Willys Jeep.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
I likes that Mrs.Bucket when she and poor auld henpecked Richard took
that Rolls Royce car for a spin.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
factories in New York.
The South is Automobile manufacturing mecca nowadays.
www.southernautocorridor.com
Mississippi is a Right to Work State.There is a Nissan factory about
twenty something miles (I-55 Gluckstadt Exit) North of doggy's
couch.That Nissan factory is the first auto factory in America to use
sonic sound cannons to break up hailstones so as not to damage the new
Nissan vehicles in the parking lot.Nissan wanted to fly their Jap rice
flag over that factory.This is Mississippi, HELL NO!,,, No Jap rice flag
over that factory!
cuhulin
dave
So I guess locating in the Third World part of America makes sense until
a hailstorm wrecks a million dollars worth of car bodies?
Why not Arizona? It's an open shop state with very tiny hail stones.
Gov. Barbour must get these French (Nissan is a French company, BTW)
guys some nice hookers.
Mark S. Holden
Rolls Royce did use a couple of GM transmissions. A version of the 400
was in the Silver Shadow line. They also used a GM water pump - but
these were not off the shelf GM parts - they were made at a price to
Rolls Royce specs.
The Engine Cuhulin is thinking about is the 3.5l v8 that was used in the
Rover 3500, the Triumph TR8, a version of the MGbGT that wasn't sold in
the states, a couple of land rovers, and some limited production sports
cars like the TVR Tasmin and at least one Marcos. It wasn't used by
Rolls Royce.
cuh...@webtv.net
facilities here in the ''third World'' State of Mississippi.Turbine
engines for Ships/Generators and Rolls Royce Ship Propellars for
U.S.Navy Ships.
Also, a new factory is being built in Mississippi right now to
manufacture composite jet engine fan blades for General Electric and
Rolls Royce Jet engines.
California is a Beautiful State with ''Beautiful people'',,, but I
believe most Californians are regular normal People.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
the Samurai Subs has started on the National Geographic tv channel.
Metinks I will knock of woikin enna mahh attik now anna watch thi hyr
NGO teevee program.
Doggy, you wants ahh cookie?
WOO WOO WOOF!
cuhulin
dave
> There is at least one, perhaps two nowadays, Rolls Royce manufacturing
> facilities here in the ''third World'' State of Mississippi.Turbine
> engines for Ships/Generators and Rolls Royce Ship Propellars for
> U.S.Navy Ships.
> Also, a new factory is being built in Mississippi right now to
> manufacture composite jet engine fan blades for General Electric and
> Rolls Royce Jet engines.
>
Like I said, Haley Barbour must give great hummers.
Bill Baka
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
>>> UK Police Blow Up Illegaly Parked Sports Car.
>>> www.rense.com
>>>
>>> Rolls Royce engines and transmissions are based on Buick V8 engines, or
>>> they used to be.
>>
>> Where's the proof? GM transmissions are so bad they would tarnish the
>> image of Rolls Royce. As for Buick V8 engines they were nothing
>> exceptional. During the war the UK had to pull the Allison engines
>> from the P-51 Mustangs and put in Rolls Royce Merlins to get any real
>> performance.
>>
>> Bill Baka
>
>
> Rolls Royce did use a couple of GM transmissions. A version of the 400
> was in the Silver Shadow line.
That surprises me since I have had at least two TH400's die an early
death on me. Not exactly Silver Shadow quality.
They also used a GM water pump - but
> these were not off the shelf GM parts - they were made at a price to
> Rolls Royce specs.
>
> The Engine Cuhulin is thinking about is the 3.5l v8 that was used in the
> Rover 3500, the Triumph TR8, a version of the MGbGT that wasn't sold in
> the states, a couple of land rovers, and some limited production sports
> cars like the TVR Tasmin and at least one Marcos. It wasn't used by
> Rolls Royce.
That engine slipped under my radar since a V-8 of that size is kind of a
waste where a V-6 would fit that displacement nicely. It would never
move a Rolls with any gusto.
Just to be somewhat radio related, what radios does a Rolls use?
Bill Baka
cuh...@webtv.net
History of Rolls Royce radios
Rolls Royce was the last car company, or one of the last, to discontinue
installing tube type radios in their cars.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
are, a 1930s Rolls Royce, a 1930s Lincoln, and a 1955 Ford
Thunderbird.They each have a little AM/FM radio inside.They work too.
cuhulin
Krypsis
Krypsis
Mark S. Holden
They made some changes to the normal TH400 design to make it shift
smoother and improve reliability. Tell the bean counters to leave the
room and the engineers can do wonderful things. (probably why I like
radios built for the Government)
I don't know what radio the factory is using these days, but IIRC ours
had a Blaupunkt Frankfurt, and we changed to a Motorola because we
wanted a cassette deck.
D. Peter Maus
>>> Proving once again that Americans are spoiled beyond hope.
>>
>>
>> No, we always smell that way.
>>
>> If, as you suggest, Americans are spoiled, it's only because we've
>> built a culture where such expectations are possible. That doesn't
>> happen where a high standard of living is not the norm.
>>
>> If it's true that Americans are spoiled, then it's also true that
>> we've earned the right through our efforts and successes to be spoiled.
>>
>> Whether being spoiled is right or wrong is a matter of personal
>> conscience.
>
> Spoiled, to me, means Americans always want something done *for* them
> and not *by* them. It will be stopped soon enough by giving the country
> away piece by piece until it is too late. China practically owns us
> thanks to the Wal-mart (China-mart) phenomena.
Isn't it amazing how everything always comes down to Bush and
Wal-Mart.
Bill Baka
It is true.
Bill Baka
D. Peter Maus
Not so much, no.
Bill Baka
cheapness making Wal-Mart a super store that sells 95% or more Chinese
goods.
The food aisles don't count although they sell Chinese toilet paper that
isn't worth a damn.
*Nothing* ever made in China has been a good deal for me because things
tend to break as soon as the Wal-mart warranty is up.
I did manage to get an exchange Kodak for one I bought there and got a
refurb for a replacement and some total crap about how it was the
lens/focus mechanism. I have rarely been able to find good quality
anything at a Wal-mart.
They are a funnel of our money directly to China and Bush was too stupid
to figure this out while Obama seems to be ignoring it. We are literally
between oil and China giving away our country.
Rant off.
Bill Baka
D. Peter Maus
I see your logic here. Yes, Wal-Mart didn't begin doing business in
the US until Bush was President.
Thank you for the clarification.
Brenda Ann
"D. Peter Maus" <DPete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:henqlt$vfd$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Please do explain your logic. We are, through our own stupidity and
>> cheapness making Wal-Mart a super store that sells 95% or more Chinese
>> goods.
>> The food aisles don't count although they sell Chinese toilet paper that
>> isn't worth a damn.
>> *Nothing* ever made in China has been a good deal for me because things
>> tend to break as soon as the Wal-mart warranty is up.
>> I did manage to get an exchange Kodak for one I bought there and got a
>> refurb for a replacement and some total crap about how it was the
>> lens/focus mechanism. I have rarely been able to find good quality
>> anything at a Wal-mart.
>> They are a funnel of our money directly to China and Bush was too stupid
>> to figure this out while Obama seems to be ignoring it. We are literally
>> between oil and China giving away our country.
>
>
> I see your logic here. Yes, Wal-Mart didn't begin doing business in the
> US until Bush was President.
>
> Thank you for the clarification.
>
The question is, when did they make the major shift from selling only
products made in the USA (a point of pride with Sam Walton, who is now no
doubt spinning in his grave) to selling almost nothing but cheap Chinese
carp?
BDK
newsg...@fullspectrumradio.org says...
Trouble is, at this point, and you can claim WM is part of the cause of
it, in some categories, like electronics, the only USA made stuff is
very high end hifi equipment, a few other odds and ends, and some
military grade items, and those are all priced insanely high, even
though they are built, for the most part, amazingly well. And made in
limited quantities. Affordable electronics are all imported at this
point. Even the "Made in USA" Drake R-8's were made with mostly imported
parts. Assembled from domestic and imported parts would have been a more
accurate claim.
You can't buy a USA made camcorder, it's basically down to China or
Japan. You can't buy a USA made TV, Mexico is as close as you'll
probably get, and the parts are made in Japan or China anyway. I try to
buy US, if possible, but sometimes, there's no choice. I recently bought
both a camcorder and TV, both from Japan. I have two Chinese made
scanners, and they work fine, but if you open them up and compare the PC
boards to older models from the same company, GRE, there's a difference
that's easy to see. The Chinese scanner has a lot of rosin on the
boards, and the components aren't as accurately placed as they are on
the older ones.
With computer parts, Taiwan and/or China is about it for most of it. I
don't think you can even buy a US made motherboard anymore.
--
BDK..
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Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
Brenda Ann
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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> Japan. You can't buy a USA made TV, Mexico is as close as you'll
> probably get, and the parts are made in Japan or China anyway. I try to
> buy US, if possible, but sometimes, there's no choice. I recently bought
> both a camcorder and TV, both from Japan.
If you buy an LCD or PDP television, the panel was made in Korea. The rest
of the electronics, probably China. Japan makes little of their own
electronics anymore.
dave
>
> I see your logic here. Yes, Wal-Mart didn't begin doing business in
> the US until Bush was President.
>
> Thank you for the clarification.
>
Reagan, Herbert Bush, Clinton and Bush Jr. (among others) are all to
blame for the decimation of American manufacturing.
D. Peter Maus
When Sam died and the property fell to his heirs, who now
operate the company.
cuh...@webtv.net
remember seeing that on tv.
cuhulin
BDK
newsg...@fullspectrumradio.org says...
As far as I know, the higher end Sharp panels are still made in Japan,
but it's hard to tell for sure. The camcorder is oddly labeled, the
charger is made in China, the lens says "Japan" on it, but on the body
of the camera itself, there's no label at all, except for the model
number and the brand. As cheap as it was, $200, China is a possibility,
for sure.
BDK
da...@dave.dave says...
It began long before Reagan, more like when Johnson was POTUS.
dave
> In article <4b0fd238$0$28789$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com>,
> da...@dave.dave says...
>> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>>
>>> I see your logic here. Yes, Wal-Mart didn't begin doing business in
>>> the US until Bush was President.
>>>
>>> Thank you for the clarification.
>>>
>> Reagan, Herbert Bush, Clinton and Bush Jr. (among others) are all to
>> blame for the decimation of American manufacturing.
>>
>
> It began long before Reagan, more like when Johnson was POTUS.
Not that I recall.
RHF
wrote:
> On 11/26/09 21:01 , Bill Baka wrote:
>
>
>
> > D. Peter Maus wrote:
> >> On 11/25/09 18:06 , Bill Baka wrote:
> >>> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> >>>> Isn't it amazing how everything always comes down to Bush and Wal-Mart.
>
> >>> Well,
> >>> It is true.
> >>> Bill Baka
>
> >> Not so much, no.
>
> > Please do explain your logic. We are, through our own stupidity and
> > cheapness making Wal-Mart a super store that sells 95% or more Chinese
> > goods.
> > The food aisles don't count although they sell Chinese toilet paper that
> > isn't worth a damn.
> > *Nothing* ever made in China has been a good deal for me because things
> > tend to break as soon as the Wal-mart warranty is up.
> > I did manage to get an exchange Kodak for one I bought there and got a
> > refurb for a replacement and some total crap about how it was the
> > lens/focus mechanism. I have rarely been able to find good quality
> > anything at a Wal-mart.
> > They are a funnel of our money directly to China and Bush was too stupid
> > to figure this out while Obama seems to be ignoring it. We are literally
> > between oil and China giving away our country.
- I see your logic here.
- Yes, Wal-Mart didn't begin doing business
- in the US until Bush was President.
-
- Thank you for the clarification.
WalMart's "First Lady"
http://www.villagevoice.com/2000-05-23/news/wal-mart-s-first-lady/
Hillary Clinton served for six years on the board WalMart
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&page=1
Hillary Clinton was on the WalMart Board of Directors,
between 1986 and 1992.
.
RHF
> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> > I see your logic here. Yes, Wal-Mart didn't begin doing business in
> > the US until Bush was President.
>
> > Thank you for the clarification.
- Reagan, Herbert Bush, Clinton and Bush Jr.
- (among others) are all to blame for the
- decimation of American manufacturing.
Dave,
So the US Congress {Democrats and Republicans
combined} did not pass an Laws to encourage the
Out-Sourcing of US Jobs Overseas ?
-and- It was all done by Executive Order of those
Presidents . . .
it boggles the mind ~ RHF
.
Manufacturing Costs
* Enviromental Costs
* Labor Costs
= Capital Flight
High Cost Products Made in the USA can be Sold
in the USA to 300M Americans at American Prices.
-for- Internal Domestic Consumption Only
Low Cost Products Made in the China/India/etc can
be Sold to the World to 6B People at World Prices.
-for- External Global Consumption 85%~100%
Do the Math 300M Buyers -or- 6B Buyers [1-in-20]
.
RHF
> In article <4b0fd238$0$28789$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>,
> d...@dave.dave says...
>
> > D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> > > I see your logic here. Yes, Wal-Mart didn't begin doing business in
> > > the US until Bush was President.
>
> > > Thank you for the clarification.
>
> > Reagan, Herbert Bush, Clinton and Bush Jr. (among others) are all to
> > blame for the decimation of American manufacturing.
- It began long before Reagan,
- more like when Johnson was POTUS.
It began when the USA 'helped' to Re-Build Japan
and Germany {Europe} and the Rest-of-the-World
after WWII.
-and- Now They {Collectively} Don't Need US {The
USA} Anymore.
RHF
> >> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> >>> I see your logic here. Yes, Wal-Mart didn't begin doing business in
> >>> the US until Bush was President.
>
> >>> Thank you for the clarification.
>
> >> Reagan, Herbert Bush, Clinton and Bush Jr. (among others) are all to
> >> blame for the decimation of American manufacturing.
>
> > It began long before Reagan, more like when Johnson was POTUS.
- Not that I recall.
Dave - Puff-on-It for long awhile . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57tK6aQS_H0
and then may be you will r-e-c-a-l-l recalling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZq62nqE78
.
cuh...@webtv.net
Heart.Live, on stage from Contae Chorca. (County Cork) Needless to say,
I HAD to step down from my attic!
www.devilfinder.com
Celtic Woman: Songs From the Heart
It is an Irish thang, y'all wouldn't understood.
cuhulin
BDK
da...@dave.dave says...
By 1970, there was a huge loss in electronics manufacturing, such as
TVs, and what was made here was basically inferior stuff, like Zenith
TVs, that were hand wired (and being that way was part of their
advertising back then!), and they had a ton of problems. My dad sold
them, and wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. Philcos were also
made here, and were junk, and there were a couple others, too. Curtis
Mathes were good, but insanely expensive. Later on their stuff was
rebranded Panasonic, and it was actually better stuff anyway.
Hifi was the same way, the stuff made here was either junk, or very
nice, but really expensive. Almost everything sanely priced that was any
good was made in Japan (everything but speakers, most of them were to be
avoided, for your ear's sake), the UK (some speakers, and a few other
items), or Germany (Speakers and Dual turntables). The only things we
made, and still make a lot of, were speakers.
I remember the electrician fixing something on our A/C about 1970-71,
and he had some part that had a German name on it, and said the US maker
had closed up, and the German ones were better anyway.
It was well underway a decade before Reagan was Prez.
cuh...@webtv.net
which dates back to 1965 when I bought it new.It still works, although
the picture isn't as bright as it used to be when new.I haven't used
that Zenith tv set since the 1970s, it is sitting on the floor in my
front bedroom now.(I do all of my tv watching in my living room, right
here on doggy's couch) I also have an old 12 inch screen Zenith tv set,
it still works too.I own quite a few old Zenith tube type and transistor
radios too (small ones and larger table top ones) and a very, very, very
old Zenith antenna and a very, very, very old Zenith derocative speaker,
it is octagon shape and has a cloth/fabric floral grill on it.I sure do
NOT bash Zenith products! When I was in the Army at Fort Hood,Texas, I
bought a little Sony tv set, there is a carrying case and an auto clip
on a window rabbit ears antenna, the tv set has a cord for plugging into
an auto cigarette lighter.I bought it at a pawn shop in Killeen,Texas,
next door to Fort Hood.It only gets a thin white horizontal line across
the picture tube now.I still have that old Sony tv set I bought in
Killeen.I used to hang it from the upper bunk with a coathanger wire in
the barracks at Fort Hood and watch tv.
My current tv set I use for watching tv is a Sony Wega Trinitron 27 inch
screen flat screen CRT tv set.CRT tv sets still are the Best tv sets.Not
long ago, the RCA 27 inch screen tv set I used only for WebTV kicked the
bucket.I went to the Wal Mart store on Highway 80 five miles West of
doggy's couch and I bought a new Sansui 27 inch screen CRT tv set for my
WebTV.
SCREW those damn thin screen non CRT so-called ''tv sets''! They are
JUNK straight out of the factories!
At Zenith, the Quality goes in before the name goes on!
cuhulin
dave
> In article <4b106cfd$0$14901$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com>,
>>>>
>>> It began long before Reagan, more like when Johnson was POTUS.
>> Not that I recall.
>>
>
> By 1970, there was a huge loss in electronics manufacturing, such as
> TVs, and what was made here was basically inferior stuff, like Zenith
> TVs, that were hand wired (and being that way was part of their
> advertising back then!), and they had a ton of problems. My dad sold
> them, and wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. Philcos were also
> made here, and were junk, and there were a couple others, too. Curtis
> Mathes were good, but insanely expensive. Later on their stuff was
> rebranded Panasonic, and it was actually better stuff anyway.
>
> Hifi was the same way, the stuff made here was either junk, or very
> nice, but really expensive. Almost everything sanely priced that was any
> good was made in Japan (everything but speakers, most of them were to be
> avoided, for your ear's sake), the UK (some speakers, and a few other
> items), or Germany (Speakers and Dual turntables). The only things we
> made, and still make a lot of, were speakers.
>
> I remember the electrician fixing something on our A/C about 1970-71,
> and he had some part that had a German name on it, and said the US maker
> had closed up, and the German ones were better anyway.
>
> It was well underway a decade before Reagan was Prez.
>
Nixon was president in 1970. Sony had the Trinitron patent, which
killed Zenith and Philco and everyone else with a delta CRT. Vietnam
made Asian hifi cool. Johnson didn't give anybody tax incentives to
move factories to China. He was just in Halliburton's pocket, like GWB.
dave
>
> At Zenith, the Quality goes in before the name goes on!
> cuhulin
>
Zenith is now known as Lucky Goldstar.
Brenda Ann
"dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
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Actually, they've dropped that name, too, in favor of the simple initials:
LG. Not sure if they bother making Zenith TV's anymore, think that's been
farmed out to China.