I didn't take the time to write down who won all the different
classes, as I was too busy chit-chatting and running around.
There were some winners that shouldn't have won after listening
to the tape !!!! It was very obvious !!! The biggest
disappointments were in the AC class. Here's a little background
why:
Bobby T. is a customer of mine from Chicago. Not only can this
man key down, you better not try racing his suburban. He has a
race ready 454 with a steel billet crank and Nitrous !!! His
motor was appr. $14,000 !!! All of this to run four 250 amp
Leece's and three double stator Lexidyne's !!! He will be adding
another Lexidyne shortly. You know that Goldfinger is the man
that did this installation after looking at it.
We spent several hours getting his antenna system dialed in at
the last minute Saturday morning and afternoon. Bobby
frantically found me at about 10:30 in the morning and needed
help. He was having major swr problems. He was running "dual
hot's" with three reflectors spaced out in a slight "dish"
effect. We initially tried some 1/4 fighting sticks that he had,
but weren't happy with the swr. With an impedance of appr. 35 to
37 ohms, the best possible swr is about 1.4 or so. That's what
we had. Bobby had some older antennas made by Two Watt that
resembled the current Bad Boy "hoops". These are similar to the
Signal Engineering "Golden Rod" antenna that is shown on my car,
but is a much heavier duty version. I was able to obtain a flat
match with this setup. Dennis, Toll and 304 all pitched in and
gave me a hand as we were tight on time.
When Bobby T. got to the keydown, he left with Bluegill to load
up his boxes. He is running two Bluegill boxes. His radio was a
Grant XL that I did pushing a Dave Made 1 X 4 that I retuned.
The driver uses two 8877's and the big box has two 10,000's.
They proceeded to "load up" his box. At 30,000 rms, the
reflected power was super low and barely moving the needle.
Everything looked great and was running beautiful. At 40,000
watts, they heard a loud "snap" and looked up. The rear antenna
had lit on fire and the hoops were "flaming halo's" !!! The
ground connection of the antenna had literally melted an aluminum
eyelet and the plastic and aluminum had run down the hard line
like liquid !!! The antenna had melted tips and the plating on
the metal was buckled and peeling. So much for the excellent
tuning that we had done on them. Most of the folks from the NG
saw the damaged antenna.
Bluegill proceeded to put on the fighting sticks that Bobby had.
The reflected power was definitely up, but they didn't have much
choice. (PS. Coils are better). They finished loading up after
the antenna change and headed back to the keydown.
Bluegill came up to the line first for AC. Bluegill was using a
"borrowed" vehicle. This used to be his old van that he had sold
to Jack in the box a while back. Jack had just sold it to
someone else. That person had asked Bluegill to use it in the
keydown. On the first key, the van SHREDDED the belts, throwing
them everywhere. Bluegill lost due to default. You KNOW the guy
that he was keying against will be running around saying " I beat
Bluegill " even if he really didn't do it the normal way !!!
Next up was Bobby T. and Jack in the Box. The headlights went on
and they keyed down. The base replied that they heard someone
calling "six". The local judge asked who was calling 6. Neither
contestant was calling 6, so they went again, this time the
motors racing even more trying to build up the voltage. A local
went up and told Bobby that his motor was bogging under the load
of the generators, maybe trying to psyche him out. None of us
knew what the guy said or we would have let Bobby know that he
was running fine. The call came back from the base. They heard
someone saying "six" again. Nobody was calling 6. They tried it
again, with Bobby really standing on the throttle trying to keep
the rpm's up. Same results and nobody could figure out what was
going on. Bobby should have killed him. They pulled them off
the line and went to the next guys in AC, coming back to them
later.
A few different guys looked promising. A beautiful setup running
all Dave Made pulled on the line. His handle was either 707 or
747, I can't remember. The lights went on and he was kicking
ass. He unkeyed halfway through the round. He had blown a
doorknob capacitor inside the box. This proceeded to cause
further problems which resulted in him literally blowing the Bird
line section apart and melting a hole into his 25 KW slug. He
was out due to default also. Carpetbagger was in the running,
but also blew up. Sneaky Pete won his rounds and waited for the
winner between Jack and Bobby T.
Bobby T. and Jack came back onto the line. The lights came on
and the motors roared. Guess what they heard ? Yes, it was
"six" again. Now were onto the fifth try. Lights come on and
they heard 6 again. Nobody was calling six though. On the sixth
try, Bobby was going to win no matter what. Believing what that
guy had told him about bogging, he was giving it everything that
he had.
The lights came on, they keyed down. A few seconds into the key,
a large "pop" was heard and fire was coming out of Bobby's
exhaust pipe in 2 foot flames. He had hit the nitrous trying to
spin the motor faster to build the rpm's and keep the voltage and
current levels up. All of a sudden belts came flying out from
under the suburban. He had snapped two belts and derailed
another one. Jack won by default and went on to fight Sneaky
Pete.
Sneaky Pete ended up winning AC sky, running only two 3CX3000's.
It took two keys, but he beat Jack in the Box.
We finally heard the tapes later that night. They started with
AC sky on playback. First up was Bluegill. He was easily
winning until he blew his belts off. Next up was the
controversial calls between Bobby T. and Jack. The countdown
began and all we could hear was "T " repeated over and over
again. Not even a buzz. This went on three times in a row. How
they thought someone was saying "six" we'll never know. They
skipped ahead and played the next 3 rounds between Bobby T. and
Jack in the box. Same thing. "T" was all you heard for all 6
rounds.
He had won the first round without flinching and was cheated out
of it, blowing belts in the process. Having helped with his
setup and him being a local boy, we were gravely upset. It was
too late to change anything though. With the differences in
setups, it wasn't too hard to figure out that Bobby T. would have
easily beaten Sneaky Pete and won AC "Sky's the limit".
As to the other classes, I know that Paul aka "711" won both the
8 pill and the 16 pill classes. I'm not sure, but he might have
also won the 4 pill class. 711 is another local Chicago area
guy, living out in Kankakee not too far from my shop. He was
running all Dave Made amps with a 3 element antenna system that
Dave designed. It worked !!! For the 8 pill title, 711 keyed
against a guy running a Texas 8 pill into another 8 pill amp.
711 beat him and won the title !!!
As to the rest of the classes, I don't know who won what. I
think that the 12 pill went to "Dirty Red", running a Pac Man /
Sneaky Pete box. The "Armadillo Mobile" was there, but didn't do
too well. He keyed in a lot of classes and just didn't have what
it took on Saturday.
Overall, there was very good attendance and participation. A
lot of good people and no fighting or hassles. I know that the
prizes were all pretty substantial for the winners, most being
near $1000. I'll be going back next year, but not to help
someone else compete !!! Sean
>
While all this was going on in Memphis there also was a keydown in NC held
by Bodine , 123, sledgehammer and a mr gunn were there to name a few , and
i think123 made it to finals in 2 classes but didnt win , and the 2 and 4
pill were won by Bam Bam /NC running a davemade .
Sounds like there was some stiff AC competition in Memphis , Personaly i
would not go to a keydown if I had not tested everything and was satisfied
, from antennas to boxes to belts, you have to know what you are capable of
before you lay it on the line , you need to know what your system will take
and how it will perform in a keying situation , but blown belts , burnt
antennas , blown up doorknobs are part of the game and they do happen no
matter what , but whom ever is left standing at the end deserves to win
unless there is some tom foolery involved , luck plays a important part in
a keydown , as well as having a game plan and using your head and not
listening to other people unless they are with you, shame the tape said
otherwise for "T" he had fought extra rounds that he would not have had to
if they called it correctly. Sounds like they didnt want anyone from
Chicago winning the ac sky belt . With all you guys in attendance , Glad
everyone had a grand time , this pretty much caps the keydown events for
the season , so all lets get cracking and have those vehicles ready for
next season, its only gonna get better. BTW, how did Cookie fair?? didnt
hear of him winning anything , does anyone else know the results of 32 pill
, 2, 4 pill ??
Sean wrote in message <73tib3$h0r$1...@news.megsinet.net>...
The shootout was fucked up. There is no other way to desccribe it. I am
from the south, and them damn Yankees came down and would have wooped our
asses! Bobby T had the best mobile there... And I would say that I would
have to agree with the numbers that they where claiming, as they where
pretty conservative.. Especially in a shootout.
All I can say.. If you see that black suburban from Chicago pull up, with a
black man that looks like Einstein show up, you better pack your shit up to
keep from embarrasing yourself.. It is bad ass.
Toll Free
p.s. After all was done, the man doing the judging in the shootout admitted
that he called a bad shootout, and that Bobby T should have won... They
even came back once saying that they had a winner between two people, but to
have them key again. Sounded like they did want it to be a local only
competition... Too bad.
Sean wrote in message <73tib3$h0r$1...@news.megsinet.net>...
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Jay at jay...@ptw.com .... In the Great Mojave Desert, just down the
road ah ways from the fillin station.
>listening to other people unless they are with you, shame the tape said
>otherwise for "T" he had fought extra rounds that he would not have had to
>if they called it correctly. Sounds like they didnt want anyone from
I've never been to a keydown, what does 6 or T mean?
When you keydown you see who's signal is stronger...the 6 was a mistake and the
t was what bobby t was saying into his mike while they keyed down...
Ryan
formerly known as RPARZ
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Sean <bigf...@megsinet.net> wrote in message
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:When two stations are "keying down", they typically key at the
Professor wrote in message ...
No one who heard the 'watergate' tape made that
error.....
Everyone agreed that they heard the repeated
letter "T" quite clearly.
The problem with hearing that letter "t" was an
affliction that only those persons from the local
club had.. ( but they were the ones calling the
winners of each keydown..)
We just wrote it off as a mixture of some local
favoritism and some regional variations in
ebonics....
Dennis
#12
and that is a fact
Brass
"BigPoppaPump" <Poppa...@aol.com> writes:
>they are distorted , professor when 2 signals at close to same strength to
>the recieving station hetrodyne is what happens , unless the other guy
>clearly blanks the other guy . But "T" and six sound nothing alike , unless
>the other guy distorted his audio to the point where it sounded like Chinese
>arithmatic on the watergate . bump bump
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It was a clear case of cheating, so the local boys would not lose face.
Toll Free
Who blew their "box" in the AC class? Who blew their belts...
Toll Free
BoyGonBad wrote in message <19981203000318...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
> Hey Toll , it was good too meet you at the Memphis break. Later Scooby
> Doo Long Beach, Ca.
>
>
That ain't no fair . . .
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Sean wrote in message <74nfvo$2to$1...@news.megsinet.net>...
The engine would blow befor the belt?
Phil / UK
>OOOOOOHHH, Toll !!! That one had to hurt 10-7 !!! The only AC
>box that literally BLEW up was a Dave Made box. All the other AC
>contestants just blew belts. Carpet Bagger running a Muddy
>Waters box might have also blown up, but I'm not sure. Sean
>>
>Toll Free wrote in message ...
>>And the other classes?
>>
>>Who blew their "box" in the AC class? Who blew their belts...
>>
>>Toll Free
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Sean <bigf...@megsinet.net> wrote in message
news:74rk9j$oni$1...@news.megsinet.net...
:Phil, have never seen one. If they really are that strong and
:worthwhile, I'm sure that some of the machinists out here could
:do a bang up job on making new pulleys for the vehicles that
:would need them. Where can we get some info on these ? Sean
:>
:Philip de Cadenet wrote in message
:<4UK6yLAQ...@g4zow.freeserve.co.uk>...
:>Sean,
:>Why don't the guys try using industrial machine toothed belts?
:>
:>The engine would blow befor the belt?
:>
:>Phil / UK
:>>OOOOOOHHH, Toll !!! That one had to hurt 10-7 !!! The only AC
:>>box that literally BLEW up was a Dave Made box. All the other
:AC
:>>contestants just blew belts. Carpet Bagger running a Muddy
:>>Waters box might have also blown up, but I'm not sure. Sean
:>>>
:>>Toll Free wrote in message ...
:>>>And the other classes?
:>>>
:>>>Who blew their "box" in the AC class? Who blew their belts...
:>>>
:>>>Toll Free
:>>>
:>>>BoyGonBad wrote in message
:>>>>
:>>>
:>>>
:>>
:>>
:>
:
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Philip de Cadenet <BigM...@g4zow.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>Sean,
>Why don't the guys try using industrial machine toothed belts?
>
>The engine would blow befor the belt?
>
>
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Sean wrote in message <74rkdk$oog$1...@news.megsinet.net>...
In article <74rk9j$oni$1...@news.megsinet.net>, bigf...@megsinet.net
says...
> Phil, have never seen one. If they really are that strong and
> worthwhile, I'm sure that some of the machinists out here could
> do a bang up job on making new pulleys for the vehicles that
> would need them. Where can we get some info on these ? Sean
> >
> Philip de Cadenet wrote in message
> <4UK6yLAQ...@g4zow.freeserve.co.uk>...
> >Sean,
> >Why don't the guys try using industrial machine toothed belts?
> >
> >The engine would blow befor the belt?
> >
> >Phil / UK
> >>OOOOOOHHH, Toll !!! That one had to hurt 10-7 !!! The only AC
> >>box that literally BLEW up was a Dave Made box. All the other
> AC
> >>contestants just blew belts. Carpet Bagger running a Muddy
> >>Waters box might have also blown up, but I'm not sure. Sean
> >>>
> >>Toll Free wrote in message ...
> >>>And the other classes?
> >>>
> >>>Who blew their "box" in the AC class? Who blew their belts...
> >>>
> >>>Toll Free
> >>>
I think many are toothed belts just like what you guys use on them Jimmy
Blowers at the drags, only bigger and stronger. Toothed belt pulleys are
available from people like Summit. Check out Hot Rod magazine.
I'm sure you can also find info from an industrial machine parts
supplier. Just have a look through the Yellow Pages or do a search on
the net.
Looking at this problem long term, this was the route that I intended to
go if and when I ever moved up to the AC level in my mobile. Zero slip
means no power loss through belt slippage and with a big diesel I sure
am not going to have problems turning her over.
Phil / UK
Injection is fine, but I'd rather be BLOWN
Glad to see ya on the newsgroup.
Keep on with the Keepin' on!
Toll Free
Astrodome City!
James Dawson wrote in message
<14260-36...@newsd-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
It don't matter who was gettin heard, it matters who lives through it all.
Toll Free
He was at the watergate braggin about how he shoots skip with his box all
the time with 18 grand on the bird (which I would not brag about for a pair
of 3000A7s, as I have seen a single 3K do 12 grand continuously here in
Texas), and said that he blew the plate blocking cap. Yes, he was killing
sneaky pete, but as most of the other people who where there would say, most
all of the people that went against Pete where also blowing him away.
Memphis was a bad case of politics at it's finest.
How did you do in the Carolina's. I heard someone else came down and paid
you a visit at that keydown?
Toll Free
Sean wrote in message <74rkdk$oog$1...@news.megsinet.net>...
>He told several of us that he did damage his AC box and had a
>blown cap in it. Nobody will know for sure if this blew because
>of the problems with the line section blowing up or if it went
>out before that. Either way, he was beating Sneaky Pete until
>meltdown occurred. Pete was running the same set of tubes. Sean
>>
Toll Free
10-7 wrote in message ...
>Yes he tried to tell me on phone first it was the 3 pill that went , then
he
>said it was his tubes that were blown, after he talked to the icon, it
>was determined the box is working fine after we had him do a few tests it
>works as good as when he got it , no blown caps , he lost a power supply
>when the his line section let loose so he has 2 good ones now insted of 3 .
>How would he know if a cap was bad without taking the box out and checking
>them. Maybe he "ass" umed thats what happened Any ways he will be tough
to
>beat with just 2- 3cx 3000 tubes Pete was using the 4cx3000 tubes
>
>
>
Toll Free
Philip de Cadenet wrote in message ...
Toll Free wrote in message <7qDc2.65$BB2...@news15.ispnews.com>...
>I will have to second that.
>>How did you do in the Carolina's. I heard someone else came down and paid
BigPoppaPump wrote in message ...
Sean wrote in message <753buj$bfq$1...@news.megsinet.net>...
The blown blocking cap certainly could explain
the 'launched' 25KW slug and line section.
They wouldn't be able to withstand the high
voltage on them.
Removal of the slug should have allowed him to
continue to compete, but he would have had some
really high DC voltages on his antenna!
> Yes, he was killing
> sneaky pete, but as most of the other people who where there would say, most
> all of the people that went against Pete where also blowing him away.
> Memphis was a bad case of politics at it's finest.
I have to agree....
Dennis
#12
When they run them grounded grid, (as most of
them do with the exception of Bluegill), the 4CX
boxes have less gain and consequently require more
drive for the same amount of output.
Dennis
#12
I don't know if he does, but I certainly do!
Dan has always been known as 'GO or BLOW' and
everyone takes advantage of that!
Dan would probably do better if he had someone
else run his stuff at the keydowns!
Dennis
#12
Sean,
Look in any old hot rod magazine to see what they
are using to turn those old GMC 6-71's with!
Dennis
#12
BUT!!
I was talking in all cases... And I think that Bluegill drives the hell out
of them run as a tetrode, too!
Toll Free
dennis W. Ostrowski wrote in message <36783E6D...@lucent.com>...
how about granger or msc industrial supply, various types of flat face
pulleys, etc., or pick-your-own part junk yard.
>
> #12
>
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True,
But that's because that way he can build them
sloppy!
Just swamp the heck out of the grid circuit and
bias it far into cutoff and it hardly ever
oscillates no matter how sloppily it is built!
Dennis
#12
Toll Free
dennis W. Ostrowski wrote in message <36793E07...@lucent.com>...
Dave made really made the tape . . .LOL
It took it out
Brass
Toll Free
Brass wrote in message ...
Bobby T, Einstein from Chicago was the only person that could eject the tape
from the sidelines when he keyed!!!! He also blew out the power supply for
the video camera... As well as his own antenna!
Toll Free wrote in message ...
Wish it had been a better camera in that situation!!!!
Toll Free
BigPoppaPump wrote in message ...