Super Battery product announcement
WILLIAM BERLE
New product announcement... Dura-Pack portable rechargable power supply
for all handheld radios, scanners, CB, etc!
Dura-Pack is the intelligent solution to your portable electronics
power problems! Run your handheld radio up to five times longer than a
standard 500 mAh NiCad! Say goodbye to NiCad "memory" problems forever.
Say goodbye to spending $5.00 to $20.00 on alkaline cells each time you
"recharge".
Dura-Pack will power any handheld electronic devices that have or have
available a car adaptor plug. Dura-Pack recharges right in your car in
about an hour or so, and requires NO separate charger. Forget about six
hour or overnight charging. It supplies 12 volts and 2.5 ampere hours
through two standard automotive cigarette lighter sockets. It weighs
less than three pounds, measures only 8 x 2.75 x 1.75 inches. Comes
with nylon case and belt loop. Includes car charge cord that stows in
the case.
Dura-Pack is made with aerospace quality, mil-spec sealed cells that
will not offgas, leak, or require any maintenance. It is NOT a cheapie
NiCad, Gel-Cell, or lantern type battery. It does NOT develop a memory,
it does NOT need a special delicate charge cycle, it does NOT need
"cycling" or discharging to maintain its performance. Charge all at
once, or in little bits. Lasts over 2000 cycles, not the 200 real world
lifespan of NiCads and Gel-Cells.
This is the ultimate power source for emergency kits, mobile
communications, field use, or backup power you can count on. Made in
the USA. Retail is $129.95 including shipping in the lower 48.
Please feel free to Email or call for more information before you buy!
For your security and peace of mind, either checks COD orders are
available.
Bill Berle
Victor Bravo Enterprises
818-990-2748
as-...@ix.netcom.com
Los Angeles, CA, USA
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as-...@ix.netcom.com
Victor Bravo Enterprises
Victor Bravo Air Racing
Glen Quarnstrom
as-...@ix.netcom.com(WILLIAM BERLE) wrote:
>New product announcement... Dura-Pack portable rechargable power supply
>for all handheld radios, scanners, CB, etc!
>hour or overnight charging. It supplies 12 volts and 2.5 ampere hours
>through two standard automotive cigarette lighter sockets. It weighs
>less than three pounds, measures only 8 x 2.75 x 1.75 inches. Comes
>with nylon case and belt loop. Includes car charge cord that stows in
>the case.
>the USA. Retail is $129.95 including shipping in the lower 48.
BFD. A plain old lead-acid gel cell, available all sorts of places at
a fraction of that price.
Oh, and by the way, dude, there is no "memory effect" in nicad
batteries, so including that in your advertisement is misleading.
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gl...@cyberhighway.net
WB7DOW @ KB7CFD.ID.USA.NOAM
Ken Cuplin
> ???Ripcord
Steve Eklund
Memory problems in ni-cad batteries are possible, but they are hard to
duplicate even in laboratory-controlled circumstances. It is not that
big of a problem in every day use, but it is possible. He is not
necessarily misleading the public by saying that, but advertisers have
been trying to scare the public for years by referring to this rare
condition. I get a kick out of listening to hams on repeaters who say
things like, "I hope this battery goes soon! I can't go to bed until
it's all the way run down before I charge it! I don't want to have
'memory' problems with it tomorrow".
Steve
Glen Quarnstrom
Ken Cuplin <rip...@execpc.com> wrote:
>Glen Quarnstrom wrote:
>> Oh, and by the way, dude, there is no "memory effect" in nicad
>> batteries, so including that in your advertisement is misleading.
>> --
>> gl...@cyberhighway.net
>> WB7DOW @ KB7CFD.ID.USA.NOAM
>> No memory effect in NI-CADS????? That's not what I've been taught.
>> ???Ripcord
You've been taught wrong. Read the threads here, do the research, and
make up your own mind. There is a "memory effect" but it's nearly
impossible to duplicate, even in the lab, and is not a factor in
consumer use.
WILLIAM BERLE
gl...@NOSPAM.cyberhighway.net (Glen Quarnstrom) writes:
>
>as-...@ix.netcom.com(WILLIAM BERLE) wrote:
>>New product announcement... Dura-Pack portable rechargable power
supply
>>for all handheld radios, scanners, CB, etc!
>>hour or overnight charging. It supplies 12 volts and 2.5 ampere hours
>>through two standard automotive cigarette lighter sockets. It weighs
>>less than three pounds, measures only 8 x 2.75 x 1.75 inches. Comes
>>with nylon case and belt loop. Includes car charge cord that stows in
>>the case.
>
>>the USA. Retail is $129.95 including shipping in the lower 48.
>>BFD. A plain old lead-acid gel cell, available all sorts of places
>>at a fraction of that price.
>>Oh, and by the way, dude, there is no "memory effect" in nicad
>>batteries, so including that in your advertisement is misleading.
It is a BFD to plenty of folks. There are lots of cheap things that
will work in any application, and always one or two high quality items
that work better. This is one of those better quality things. I do not
mean to make anyone think that they can't use a Taiwanese piece of
junk, rigged up with duct tape and tin foil. Perhaps this would be the
most economical solution for Yugo owners to use. Like the Yugo,
gel-cells and NiCads have plenty of problems and headaches that are
very well known to users of handheld radios. Like, for instance, the
fact the Gel-Cells last only a small fraction of their quoted lifespan.
You will go through at least five or six Gel-Cells to match the life of
my battery. Now use your calculator and tell me which is "cheaper", and
don't forget to factor in the time and aggravation of shopping for
them, re-wiring the unit, etc.
And don't forget to try and charge your Gel-Cell from your car socket!
I want to see that trick, but from a distance.
The NiCad "memory effect" I mention has been the bane and the
heartache of millions of users of NiCad powered devices, including
aviation radios, cel-phones, laptop computers, and I believe all kinds
of amateur radios. Whatever the technical name for this problem is, it
exists and it is a major concern of most users of these devices. This
is why the Lithium Ion, Nickel Metal Hydride, and other technologies
were developed. These new batteries have advantages and disadvantages
too.
My product is a very useful item that offers the most user friendly
characteristics, is of the best quality, and lasts the longest. If this
is of no interest to the readers of this newsgroup then I apologize and
I overestimated their need for good quality products. But I do not
believe this is true and I will wait to see if the majority of this
group agrees.
Bill Berle
VB enterprises
Los Angeles
Glenn
Where the hell are John, Andy, Ron, Peter and the rest of the whiners
pack when these blatant advertisements show up here. It is hard to =
believe
they could spend months harassing another user for commercial posts
and then let this crap go by.
BTW, you can find similar products for half the price at a number of =
different
retail outlets. Or you can just purchase a power cord for your HT, a =
nylon
camera bag and a $20 12volt 7amp gel cell that will run your HT all day. =
When
the day is over throw it on the automotive 12V charger. Oh yea William, =
my
gel cell has been in service for over 6 years now both for HT power and =
in
my RC airplane hobby. No memory (your lie) either. $129...what a scam! =
WILLIAM BERLE <as-...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article ...
> gl...@NOSPAM.cyberhighway.net (Glen Quarnstrom) writes:=20
> >
> >as-...@ix.netcom.com(WILLIAM BERLE) wrote:
> >>New product announcement... Dura-Pack portable rechargable power
> supply
> >>for all handheld radios, scanners, CB, etc!=20
> >>hour or overnight charging. It supplies 12 volts and 2.5 ampere =
hours
> >>through two standard automotive cigarette lighter sockets. It weighs
> >>less than three pounds, measures only 8 x 2.75 x 1.75 inches. Comes
> >>with nylon case and belt loop. Includes car charge cord that stows =
in
> >>the case.=20
> >
> >>the USA. Retail is $129.95 including shipping in the lower 48.
>=20
>=20
> >>BFD. A plain old lead-acid gel cell, available all sorts of places
> >>at a fraction of that price.
> >>Oh, and by the way, dude, there is no "memory effect" in nicad
> >>batteries, so including that in your advertisement is misleading.
>=20
>=20
> It is a BFD to plenty of folks. There are lots of cheap things that
> will work in any application, and always one or two high quality items
> that work better. This is one of those better quality things. I do not
> mean to make anyone think that they can't use a Taiwanese piece of
> junk, rigged up with duct tape and tin foil. Perhaps this would be the
> most economical solution for Yugo owners to use. Like the Yugo,
> gel-cells and NiCads have plenty of problems and headaches that are
> very well known to users of handheld radios. Like, for instance, the
> fact the Gel-Cells last only a small fraction of their quoted =
lifespan.
> You will go through at least five or six Gel-Cells to match the life =
of
> my battery. Now use your calculator and tell me which is "cheaper", =
and
> don't forget to factor in the time and aggravation of shopping for
> them, re-wiring the unit, etc.=20
>=20
> And don't forget to try and charge your Gel-Cell from your car socket!
> I want to see that trick, but from a distance.
>=20
> The NiCad "memory effect" I mention has been the bane and the
> heartache of millions of users of NiCad powered devices, including
> aviation radios, cel-phones, laptop computers, and I believe all kinds
> of amateur radios. Whatever the technical name for this problem is, it
> exists and it is a major concern of most users of these devices. This
> is why the Lithium Ion, Nickel Metal Hydride, and other technologies
> were developed. These new batteries have advantages and disadvantages
> too.
>=20
> My product is a very useful item that offers the most user friendly
> characteristics, is of the best quality, and lasts the longest. If =
this
> is of no interest to the readers of this newsgroup then I apologize =
and
> I overestimated their need for good quality products. But I do not
> believe this is true and I will wait to see if the majority of this
> group agrees.
>=20
> Bill Berle
> VB enterprises
> Los Angeles
> --=20
>=20
> Bill Berle PP/ASEL/G
> as-...@ix.netcom.com =20
> Victor Bravo Enterprises=20
> Victor Bravo Air Racing =09
>=20
> =09
>
Steve Eklund
WILLIAM BERLE wrote:
The beginning clipped to save space.
> The NiCad "memory effect" I mention has been the bane and the
> heartache of millions of users of NiCad powered devices, including
> aviation radios, cel-phones, laptop computers, and I believe all kinds
> of amateur radios. Whatever the technical name for this problem is, it
> exists and it is a major concern of most users of these devices. This
> is why the Lithium Ion, Nickel Metal Hydride, and other technologies
> were developed. These new batteries have advantages and disadvantages
> too.
>
I'll bet that their problems is not 'memory effect', but something else
due to misuse of the batteries. The chief problem is overcharging.
People forget to take their batteries off the charger and they severely
'out gas' them. Memory effect is possible, but very rare. You have to
charge/discharge the batteries at exactly the same rate and interval
hundreds of times before you see it occur. Satellites develop this
problem with their batteries because they are subject to exactly the
same charge/discharge rate every day. You have to duplicate this
situation in a laboratory to see it happen here. It is very rare for
this to happen in every day consumer use. Manufacturers of battery
products just love to scare the consumer with this possible scenario,
but it rarely happens!
73 from Steve
Gary Coffman
In article <5e07c6$r...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> as-...@ix.netcom.com(WILLIAM BERLE) writes:
> gl...@NOSPAM.cyberhighway.net (Glen Quarnstrom) writes:
>>as-...@ix.netcom.com(WILLIAM BERLE) wrote:
>>>New product announcement... Dura-Pack portable rechargable power
>supply
>>>for all handheld radios, scanners, CB, etc!
>>>through two standard automotive cigarette lighter sockets. It weighs
>>>less than three pounds, measures only 8 x 2.75 x 1.75 inches. Comes
>>>the case.
>>>the USA. Retail is $129.95 including shipping in the lower 48.
>
>
>>>at a fraction of that price.
>>>Oh, and by the way, dude, there is no "memory effect" in nicad
>>>batteries, so including that in your advertisement is misleading.
>
>
>will work in any application, and always one or two high quality items
>that work better. This is one of those better quality things. I do not
>mean to make anyone think that they can't use a Taiwanese piece of
>junk, rigged up with duct tape and tin foil. Perhaps this would be the
>most economical solution for Yugo owners to use. Like the Yugo,
>gel-cells and NiCads have plenty of problems and headaches that are
>very well known to users of handheld radios. Like, for instance, the
>You will go through at least five or six Gel-Cells to match the life of
>my battery. Now use your calculator and tell me which is "cheaper", and
>don't forget to factor in the time and aggravation of shopping for
>them, re-wiring the unit, etc.
Well, lets see. A 7 AH gell cell 12 volt battery costs about $20,
and lasts about 6 years in normal use. So your battery needs to
last 30 years to reach breakeven on cost. And that's a battery
from a reputable company, not junk. What company supplies your
batteries? And exactly what chemistry do they use?
>And don't forget to try and charge your Gel-Cell from your car socket!
>I want to see that trick, but from a distance.
Why? I charge my gell cells from the cigarette lighter socket. I use
a taillight bulb in series to avoid blowing the cigarette lighter
socket fuse if the battery is really flat (doubles as a handy charge
indicator too). There is no hazard.
> The NiCad "memory effect" I mention has been the bane and the
>heartache of millions of users of NiCad powered devices, including
>aviation radios, cel-phones, laptop computers, and I believe all kinds
>of amateur radios. Whatever the technical name for this problem is, it
>exists and it is a major concern of most users of these devices. This
>is why the Lithium Ion, Nickel Metal Hydride, and other technologies
>were developed. These new batteries have advantages and disadvantages
>too.
The NiCad memory effect requires extremely unusual conditions to
produce. To generate it, you have to discharge the cells to *exactly*
the same state of charge *every* time for several hundred times. It was
first noted in a satellite application where the battery was cycled very
precisely by the orbital dynamics. The solution to this problem is very
simple, don't discharge your battery to the same level *every* time
before recharging.
The problem most users of NiCads have is entirely different. It is a
condition called voltage depression, and is the result of *overcharging*
the battery. Don't do that, not even just a little bit, use a proper charger
which senses charge state and shuts off before overcharging can occur.
I have a number of NiCads with 1970s date codes which are still giving good
service. Of course they've never been abusively overcharged. Gell cells aren't
subject to this malady, though they shouldn't be floated indefinitely or
they'll sulphate.
> My product is a very useful item that offers the most user friendly
>characteristics, is of the best quality, and lasts the longest. If this
>is of no interest to the readers of this newsgroup then I apologize and
>I overestimated their need for good quality products. But I do not
>believe this is true and I will wait to see if the majority of this
>group agrees.
Well, lets just say we're skeptical. If your claims have no more substance
than your claims about the deficits of the competition, why should we believe
your battery is better? Tell us the manufacturer of the battery, and tell
us its chemistry. Then we can decide if your product is worth 5 times the
going rate for a similar product. (I'll grant you that the pouch, sockets,
and cord add *some* extra value to the battery you're selling, but not $100
worth of extra value.)
Gary
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nova
there is nothing wrong with a good advertisement that pertains to
the subject.
after all this is america.
73's nova
Anthony R. Gold
In article <330964...@mail.execpc.com>
suea...@mail.execpc.com "nova" writes:
> there is nothing wrong with a good advertisement that pertains to
> the subject.
Nor anything wrong with fair comment that an advertised product may
not be all that good.
> after all this is america.
For the same reason :-)
Regards,
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tg...@microvst.demon.co.uk
packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na
Gary Coffman
In article <330964...@mail.execpc.com> suea...@mail.execpc.com writes:
>
>there is nothing wrong with a good advertisement that pertains to
>the subject.
Well, it is true that the non-commercial restrictions of usenet have
gone by the boards in practice if not in theory over the past couple
of years. In a way I regret that, but defacto it looks like we'll have
to put up with electronic junkmail from now on. However, usenet remains
a two way street, and it is fair to challenge claims made by advertising
posted to the net, particularly when those claims appear overblown,
unfounded, or contain blatent misinformation.
>after all this is america.
Indeed, and that still includes the right of fair criticism. Though
this is not America for many of the participants in these newsgroups.
It would be wise to remember that this is a forum of international
scope.