Linears
The2X4
In article <19971027.23...@stic.net>, Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
<wb5...@stic.net> writes:
> As far as Egos go, My superiority
>complex is BIGGER than yours!
>
>Kevin, WB5RUE
>wb5...@amsat.org
>wb5...@stic.net
Boy, did you get that riiiiiiiggght!
And ya' sound so proud....
Carl
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
the...@aol.com (The2X4) writes:
-In article <19971027.23...@stic.net>, Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
-<wb5...@stic.net> writes:
-
-> As far as Egos go, My superiority
->complex is BIGGER than yours!
->
->Kevin, WB5RUE
->wb5...@stic.net
->wb5...@stic.net
-
-Boy, did you get that riiiiiiiggght!
-And ya' sound so proud....
-
-Carl
Gee 1X6, thankyouverymuch (said with an Elvis accent)
Kevin
UNCLECHARLIE
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:35:44 +0000 (GMT), Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
<wb5...@stic.net> wrote:
>"MICHAEL C OLSON" <BU...@prodigy.net> writes:
>
>- I am one of the attorneys for Ranger. this story is not 100 percent
>-accurate, but is very close. Justice has finally been served.
>
>So don't just leave us all out here hanging! Tell us the "real" story.
>What do you mean by "justice has finally been served?" Do you mean
>that he shouldn't have been "hassled" for selling illegal equipment?
>
>Kevin, WB5RUE
>wb5...@stic.net
Tell us Kevie, What is so illegal about a Ranger product?
Sean
they aren't type accepted by the FCC. Sean aka Bigfoot
UNCLECHARLIE <Sp...@sucks.com> wrote in article
<34cb9d3b...@news.cmgate.com>...
Ramrod
They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
clear enough?
Sean
i have always thought that "ham" radio stuff also needed type acceptance.
after all, even cordless phones need to meet spec, why wouldn't high
powered transceivers ? thanks for bringing this up and i'll have to do
some checking on this. Sean
Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> wrote in article <34C9C73C...@lords.com>...
bud69
Sean wrote:
>
> they aren't type accepted by the FCC. Sean aka Bigfoot
>
Ham equipment does not need type acceptance, the only exception being
linear amps. Any equipment capable of radiating above 30 megahertz,
must comply with part 15 and needs to be certified.
Yrac
>
>if all charges were dropped, why was there a $500,000 dollar fine?
>
>
I was wondering the same thing, Train. And how much did they spend on legal
fees?
The original post made it sound like Ranger got off scott free. Now we're
getting the REST of the story!
Yrac
bud69
No fine has been imposed. There may be a forfeiture by RCI due to some
unrelated acts of the president of RCI. That will be decided later.
All charges against Jim Peng and Ranger Taiwan have been dismissed. As
for my fees, you couldn't afford me.
Professor
No CB Guy... typical lawyer.
--
Professor @ http://www.megsinet.com/bgriffey/docs/index.htm
The Cb Guy wrote in message <34cb819...@news.det.ameritech.net>...
>On 24 Jan 1998 23:40:53 GMT, yr...@aol.com (Yrac) wrote:
>
>>>
>>>if all charges were dropped, why was there a $500,000 dollar fine?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I was wondering the same thing, Train. And how much did they spend on
legal
>>fees?
>>
>>The original post made it sound like Ranger got off scott free. Now we're
>>getting the REST of the story!
>>
>>Yrac
>
>Not to mention Bud69 responded to the 2 previous posts sitting in que,
>but somehow neglected to respond to this one.....
>Some "lawyer"
>
>The Cb Guy
>
>http://www.ameritech.net/users/thecbguy/cbradio.htm
The Cb Guy
Sean
i guess that I learned something today. thanks for the clarification.
Sean aka Bigfoot
bud69 <bu...@prodigy.net> wrote in article <34CA0A...@prodigy.net>...
TRA1N
i rechecked my source and came back with the same answer....500,000 bucks for
the fine
CBRambo
In article <34CA54...@psn.net>, Eric Oyen <n7...@psn.net> writes:
>Someone claims to be an attorney for a major electronics provider in
here,
>and doesn't provide any means of checking credentials, what do you
think is
>going to happen?
He's going to get questioned by someone like you...a wannabe private eye with
no credentials of your own.
Far be it from me to actually verify something, but then,
>thats what I
do for a living.
There you go again. Proves my point exactly. You infer that yours is a
position of great importance, but it is not. All you are, Eric, is a
gofer...an errand boy...a VOLUNTEER for the Maricopa Sheriff's Department.
"Where's that big 'ol CB RAMBO??"
"I wanna hear him TALK TOUGH!!"
Yrac
>All charges against Jim Peng and Ranger Taiwan have been dismissed. As
>for my fees, you couldn't afford me.
>
>
I assure you, Sir, that I can afford attorney fees.
Yrac
Ramrod
You are wrong again. Do your homework before you post to a thread that
you know nothing about!
Kevin Muenzler wrote:
>
> Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> wrote in article <34C9C73C...@lords.com>...
> > They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
> > as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
> > not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
> > clear enough?
> >
>
> EVERYTHING that is sold commercially MUST have FCC Type acceptance.
>
> Kevin, WB5RUE
> wb5...@stic.net
The Cb Guy
On 26 Jan 1998 05:14:19 GMT, "Kevin Muenzler" <wb5...@stic.net> wrote:
>
>
>Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> wrote in article <34C9C73C...@lords.com>...
>> They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
>> as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
>> not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
>> clear enough?
>>
>
>EVERYTHING that is sold commercially MUST have FCC Type acceptance.
>
>Kevin, WB5RUE
>wb5...@stic.net
I tend to lean towards Kevin on this one, however do either of you
have proof to back up your claims?
Kevin Muenzler
CBRambo
In article <34CBCE...@psn.net>, Eric Oyen <n7...@psn.net> writes:
>What point? I do so for a living, which is all you need to know. An
errand
>boy I am not. Volunteer, yes, and for more than just a little
county
>sheriff's Dept. Personally, I could care less what you *THINK*
you know
>about me. Perhaps you should actually ask questions.
I do, but you never answer them. You always evade the question, dodge the
issue, or change the subject. But as you wish, I will ask you once more...
What exactly IS it that you do to earn a living, Eric?
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> writes:
-You are wrong again. Do your homework before you post to a thread that
-you know nothing about!
-
-Kevin Muenzler wrote:
->
-> Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> wrote in article <34C9C73C...@lords.com>...
-> > They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
-> > as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
-> > not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
-> > clear enough?
-> >
->
-> EVERYTHING that is sold commercially MUST have FCC Type acceptance.
->
-> Kevin, WB5RUE
-> wb5...@stic.net
Show me where I'm wrong. You're the "lawyer," post the rule/statute.
Yaesu is holding up a new 6-meter/VHF/UHF rig pending FCC approval.
They CANNOT sell it in the United States until the FCC type accepts
it.
Kevin, WB5RUE
wb5...@stic.net
Tech Support
Please repost any message stating I was a lawyer.
As to your statement about Yaesu's new rig pending
FCC approval, this has already been answered in
previous postings. Check you part 15. Any
equipment capable of radiating above 30 megahertz
Charles Davis
In article <19980126.17...@stic.net>, wb5...@stic.net says...
> Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> writes:
>
> -You are wrong again. Do your homework before you post to a thread that
> -you know nothing about!
> -
> -Kevin Muenzler wrote:
> ->
> -> Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> wrote in article <34C9C73C...@lords.com>...
> -> > They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
> -> > as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
> -> > not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
> -> > clear enough?
> -> >
> ->
> -> EVERYTHING that is sold commercially MUST have FCC Type acceptance.
> ->
> -> Kevin, WB5RUE
> -> wb5...@stic.net
>
> Show me where I'm wrong. You're the "lawyer," post the rule/statute.
> Yaesu is holding up a new 6-meter/VHF/UHF rig pending FCC approval.
> They CANNOT sell it in the United States until the FCC type accepts
> it.
>
> Kevin, WB5RUE
> wb5...@stic.net
>
Absolutely true.
--
-=>Chas<=-
<<I'm the NRA>>
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
thec...@iname.com (The Cb Guy) writes:
-On 26 Jan 1998 05:14:19 GMT, "Kevin Muenzler" <wb5...@stic.net> wrote:
-
->
->
->Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> wrote in article <34C9C73C...@lords.com>...
->> They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
->> as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
->> not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
->> clear enough?
->>
->
->EVERYTHING that is sold commercially MUST have FCC Type acceptance.
->
->Kevin, WB5RUE
->wb5...@stic.net
-
-I tend to lean towards Kevin on this one, however do either of you
-have proof to back up your claims?
-
-The Cb Guy
-
-http://www.ameritech.net/users/thecbguy/cbradio.htm
Well, here's the "proof."
FCC Part 97.315 Type acceptance of external RF power amplifiers.
b. Any external RF power amplifier or external RF power amplifier kit
(see §2.815 of the FCC Rules), manufactured, imported or modified
for use in a station or attached at any station must be type
accepted for use in the amateur service in accordance with Subpart
J of Part 2 of the FCC Rules. This requirement does not apply if
one or more of the following conditions are met:
I won't post the conditions but you can get them at
http://www.arrl.org/field/regulations/news/part97/d-305.html#315
if you REALLY want to read all of it.
This part says that all commercial equipment MUST have FCC type
acceptance. Yes, I know it references HAM equipment only in
this. BUT if you read Part 95 you will see that there are no
amps type accepted for CB. Since these amps are not type accepted
they may not be sold in the US as "amateur radio amps" either.
Thus they are illegal equipment.
So Ramrod, let's see your "proof" to the contrary. Surely as
a "lawyer" you can come up with something.
Kevin, WB5RUE
wb5...@stic.net
Ramrod
Well I'm glad you did your homework. Now if you remember the initial
post was about 10 meter radios not Amplifiers,...DOH. In case you
forgot, I'll re-post it for you.
------------------------Initial Post-----------------------------------
They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
clear enough?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
bi...@peak.org (Bill Nelson) writes:
-Kevin Muenzler (wb5...@stic.net) wrote:
-:
-: Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> wrote in article <34C9C73C...@lords.com>...
-: > They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
-: > as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
-: > not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
-: > clear enough?
-:
-: EVERYTHING that is sold commercially MUST have FCC Type acceptance.
-
-Look at your HF ham rig, if you have one, and report back. You will not
-find an FCC type acceptance label. It is unnecessary. Ham gear is sold
-commercially.
-
---
-Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
Yep, my Yaesu FT-890 has one, my FT-290R has one but my Yaesu
FL-7000 amp does not have one because it is an export model with
12 and 10 meters installed. My ETO Alpha 87a linear amp has one,
it didn't have 12 or 10 meters installed when I bought it. However
with proof of license I was sent a modification kit to activate those
two bands. This voided the type acceptance. But since hams don't
have to use type accepted gear it is still legal for me or any other
licensed ham to use. Even my Heathkit linear amp has one. However
its type acceptance is conditional on building it exactly as the
assembly manual instructs.
Kevin, WB5RUE
wb5...@stic.net
Bill Nelson
Kevin Muenzler (wb5...@stic.net) wrote:
:
:
Look at your HF ham rig, if you have one, and report back. You will not
find an FCC type acceptance label. It is unnecessary. Ham gear is sold
commercially.
--
Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
Sean
first of all, Ramrod never stated or implied that he was a lawyer. second
of all, he stated that amateur radio gear BELOW 30 mhz didn't need
approval. your example for the 6 meter radio doesn't apply here, as 6
meters is well above 30 mhz. i checked into this by inspecting a radio. i
seem to think that most of us here think of Uniden as being an "upright"
company. i checked a 2510 with all of it's factory tags intact and not one
mentioned "FCC type acceptance" on it. as we all know, this is not a
bootleg radio. i will call the local Chicago field office tomorrow and
find out exactly what the deal is tomorrow, as i would like to know from a
personal and legal standpoint. Sean aka Bigfoot
Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> wrote in article <34CD67A1...@lords.com>...
Well I'm glad you did your homework. Now if you remember the initial
post was about 10 meter radios not Amplifiers,...DOH. In case you
forgot, I'll re-post it for you.
------------------------Initial Post-----------------------------------
They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
clear enough?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, here's the "proof."
> FCC Part 97.315 Type acceptance of external RF power amplifiers.
>
> b. Any external RF power amplifier or external RF power amplifier kit
> (see §2.815 of the FCC Rules), manufactured, imported or modified
> for use in a station or attached at any station must be type
> accepted for use in the amateur service in accordance with Subpart
> J of Part 2 of the FCC Rules. This requirement does not apply if
> one or more of the following conditions are met:
>
> I won't post the conditions but you can get them at
> http://www.arrl.org/field/regulations/news/part97/d-305.html#315
> if you REALLY want to read all of it.
>
> This part says that all commercial equipment MUST have FCC type
> acceptance. Yes, I know it references HAM equipment only in
> this. BUT if you read Part 95 you will see that there are no
> amps type accepted for CB. Since these amps are not type accepted
> they may not be sold in the US as "amateur radio amps" either.
> Thus they are illegal equipment.
>
> So Ramrod, let's see your "proof" to the contrary. Surely as
> a "lawyer" you can come up with something.
>
> Kevin, WB5RUE
> wb5...@stic.net
----------
Kevin Muenzler
Tech Support <Galax...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<34CCD861...@earthlink.net>...
> Please repost any message stating I was a lawyer.
> As to your statement about Yaesu's new rig pending
> FCC approval, this has already been answered in
> previous postings. Check you part 15. Any
> equipment capable of radiating above 30 megahertz
> must comply with part 15.
>
Unless you are RAMROD I never said that you said that you were a lawyer.
Pay attention.
Kevin
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
"Sean" <big...@NOSPAMxsite.net> writes:
-first of all, Ramrod never stated or implied that he was a lawyer.
Yes, you are correct. I went back through this thread and I was
mistaken. It was a chap by the name of Michael Owen who made the
original claim. I apologize.
-second
-of all, he stated that amateur radio gear BELOW 30 mhz didn't need
-approval.
Here's another example. Three years ago Yaesu came out with their
FT-990 as a replacement for the FT-890. It was advertised in ham
magazines a full six months before it was released PENDING FCC
APPROVAL. The FT-990 is a general coverage receiver (.150 - 29.995MHz)
and transmits on 160, 80/75, 40, 30, 20, 17, 15, 12 and 10 meters.
ALL below 30 Mhz. So tell me, why did Yaesu hold this rig pending
FCC approval if none was needed?
-your example for the 6 meter radio doesn't apply here, as 6
-meters is well above 30 mhz. i checked into this by inspecting a radio. i
-seem to think that most of us here think of Uniden as being an "upright"
-company. i checked a 2510 with all of it's factory tags intact and not one
-mentioned "FCC type acceptance" on it.
Did you look IN it? Did you look at the instruction manual for at
least a Part 15 approval. ALL electronic equipment that emits
RF energy is required to have Part 15 approval. I'll be willing to
bet that if you write Uniden they'll provide the approval documents
for you. I am not sure if the equipment must have the sticker on it
but it must be accepted.
-as we all know, this is not a
-bootleg radio. i will call the local Chicago field office tomorrow and
-find out exactly what the deal is tomorrow, as i would like to know from a
-personal and legal standpoint. Sean aka Bigfoot
Good idea.
Kevin, WB5RUE
wb5...@stic.net
Dave Hall
I think you are confusing type acceptance with conformance to part 15.
Every piece of electronic gear with an oscillator in it must meet part
15, but ham radios do NOT have to be type accepted, since the ham bands
do not require it. Radios designed to work in specific land mobile bands
(including CB) MUST be type accepted. Think about it, if a ham radio had
to be type accepted, then how could any ham build his own gear? Type
acceptance is a guarantee of electical specification and performance
conformity. This is needed when the equipment is being used by people
with little or no technical knowlege. Since hams have (supposedly) the
technical knowlege to operate their equipment within the rules, they
have the ultimate responsibility for making sure their emissions are
within the technical requirements for the ham bands, so type acceptance
is not warranted.
Dave
"Sandbagger'
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
Ramrod <Ram...@lords.com> writes:
-Well I'm glad you did your homework. Now if you remember the initial
-post was about 10 meter radios not Amplifiers,...DOH. In case you
-forgot, I'll re-post it for you.
-
-------------------------Initial Post-----------------------------------
-They don't need to be type accepted by the FCC because they are imported
-as 10 meter ham radios. What people do to them after they buy them is
-not the fault of the manufacture. So then they are not illegal, is that
-clear enough?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
First of all I accused you of being a lawyer, I'm sorry. I confused
you with someone else in this thread along the way.
Yes, FCC Part 97 only covers external power amplifiers. BUT all
electronic equipment capable of RF emissions MUST by type accepted
by the FCC if it is to be offered for commercial sale in the US,
this includes imported equipment. That's why Yaesu is holding off
the sale of their new tri-band VHF/UHF 6-meter transceiver. About
three years ago they advertised a new HF rig, the FT-990 a full
six months before the FCC approved it for sale in the US. EVERY
Yaesu rig is IMPORTED. So is every Uniden CB, every Cobra CB,
and every Realistic CB. All of them have to have type acceptance.
Just because a rig is imported doesn't exempt it from the rules
and regulations governing such equipment.
If you want to read the actual statute it can be found
at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/
This thing is huge so I won't post any of it here. Go read it for
yourself.
Kevin, WB5RUE
wb5...@stic.net
A few lawyer jokes for good measure:
What's the difference between a female lawyer and a pit bull?
Lipstick.
What do you call 20 lawyers skydiving from an airplane?
Skeet.
That do you get when you cross a bad politician with a crooked
lawyer?
Chelsea.
If you see a lawyer on a bicycle, why should you never swerve to hit
him?
It might be your bicycle.
It was so cold last winter ... (How cold was it?) ... that I saw a
lawyer with his hands in his own pockets.
A man walked into a lawyer's office and inquired about the lawyer's
rates.
"$50.00 for three questions", replied the lawyer. "Isn't that awfully
steep?" asked the man. "Yes," the lawyer replied, "and what was your
third question?"
You're trapped in a room with a tiger, a rattlesnake and a lawyer. You
have a gun with two bullets. What should you do?
Shoot the lawyer. Twice.
Charles Davis
In article <01bd2afe$02254a60$5cec7ece@bigfoot>, big...@NOSPAMxsite.net
says...
> first of all, Ramrod never stated or implied that he was a lawyer. second
> of all, he stated that amateur radio gear BELOW 30 mhz didn't need
> meters is well above 30 mhz. i checked into this by inspecting a radio. i
> bootleg radio. i will call the local Chicago field office tomorrow and
They are not required to sport the sticker as CB radios are.
Bill Nelson
Eric Oyen (n7...@psn.net) wrote:
: > Look at your HF ham rig, if you have one, and report back. You will not
: > find an FCC type acceptance label. It is unnecessary. Ham gear is sold
: > commercially.
: > --
: > Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
: Funny, Mine does... It has a type acceptance for part 15, subparts A &
: B, AND it has a type acceptance tag for part 97!
On an HF radio - that does not transmit on any frequency above 30 MHz.
Funny, there isn't any such label on my FT-757GX or the FT-757GXII.
--
Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
bi...@peak.org (Bill Nelson) writes:
-Eric Oyen (n7...@psn.net) wrote:
-: > Look at your HF ham rig, if you have one, and report back. You will not
-: > find an FCC type acceptance label. It is unnecessary. Ham gear is sold
-: > commercially.
-: > --
-: > Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
-
-: Funny, Mine does... It has a type acceptance for part 15, subparts A &
-: B, AND it has a type acceptance tag for part 97!
-
-On an HF radio - that does not transmit on any frequency above 30 MHz.
-Funny, there isn't any such label on my FT-757GX or the FT-757GXII.
-
---
-Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
Look inside or somewhere in the owner's manual. It's there, or should
be. If not it should be available upon request from the manufacturer.
It's on every piece of commercial gear that I have. Some of the older
stuff has it stamped into the metal or on a metal plate riveted
to the case. I even have some old Army communications radios
that have the statement stamped into the metal casing --
"This equipment has been tested and conforms to all the
standards set forth by the Federal Communications
Commission as of the date of manufacture 26 August 1957,
and may be used within the United States and all its
territories."
Like I said, even my Heathkit stuff has type accepted
stickers that you stick to the case. I was cleaning the spider
webs and a bird's nest from the horn of my 5GHz gear outside.
Even that 5GHz transmitter has a type acceptance sticker on it.
It takes 5GHz and converts it to 70cm for receive, all above
30 MHz and still type accepted.
Kevin, WB5RUE
wb5...@stic.net
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
Dave Hall <nojunkmai...@worldlynx.net> writes:
-I think you are confusing type acceptance with conformance to part 15.
-Every piece of electronic gear with an oscillator in it must meet part
-15, but ham radios do NOT have to be type accepted, since the ham bands
-do not require it. Radios designed to work in specific land mobile bands
-(including CB) MUST be type accepted. Think about it, if a ham radio had
-to be type accepted, then how could any ham build his own gear? Type
-acceptance is a guarantee of electical specification and performance
-conformity. This is needed when the equipment is being used by people
-with little or no technical knowlege. Since hams have (supposedly) the
-technical knowlege to operate their equipment within the rules, they
-have the ultimate responsibility for making sure their emissions are
-within the technical requirements for the ham bands, so type acceptance
-is not warranted.
-
-Dave
-"Sandbagger'
No I'm not confusing Part 15 acceptance. I know that every electronic
device must conform to that. Nor am I confusing the fact that ham
operators don't have to USE type accepted equipment like CB operators
do. What I am saying is that in order to be SOLD (not used) in the
United States ALL COMMERCIALLY BUILT Amateur Radio equipment MUST
be FCC type accepted. This type acceptance includes:
purity of signal
stability
not easily modified to operate on 11-meter CB
etc, etc.
Yes it is true that ham rigs don't have to be type accepted for hams
to USE. This is the key. There is a difference between equipment
that is commercially manufactured and SOLD and equipment that is
home-built and USED. That's why I can take a commercially built
and type accepted CB radio and modify it for use on 10-meters
legally. As soon as I make the modifications it becomes non type
accepted; but as you state, no problem, hams don't have to have
type accepted equipment. I cannot take my type accepted ham
rig and modify it for use on CB. Once I make ANY modifications
to my type accepted ham gear it becomes non type accepted. I
can't even change out a resistor without voiding the type
acceptance.
If I remove a 1/4 watt 100K resistor on my type accepted CB
and replace it with a 1/2 watt 100K resistor it voids type acceptance.
The resulting function would be identical but the specifications
that the FCC approved had a 1/4 watt resistor there.
YES they are that picky. That's one of the
rules that a technician must follow when working on type
accepted equipment. Any components must be replace with identical
components in order to maintain type acceptance. (yes off subject)
Yes hams, in the use of their equipment, have the ultimate
responsibility for how their equipment operates and type acceptance
is not required for the use of that equipment. BUT for
commercial sale of ham equipment it must be type accepted
for the service in which it is offered. Perhaps the reason
that Jimmy Peng's stuff could not meet type acceptance is because
it was very easily modifiable to be used in a service for which
it was not intended. That's one of the requirements for
type acceptance -- that it not be easily modified to be used
in a service for which is not intended.
Even scanners (receivers) have to be type accepted if they
are to be commercially sold. You (anyone) can legally build
a scanner. But in order for it to be commercially sold it must
be FCC type accepted. Mainly so that they can't receive or
be easily modified to receive cell phones. Radio Shack was
burned a few years ago with a super-duper 1000 channel scanner
that they had already shipped to the stores when the FCC told
them to recall every one because all it took was adding a couple
of diodes, turning the scanner on with a combination of keys
held down on the keyboard, and entering a few keystrokes to
make it a continuous 150kHz to 2.5GHz receiver. The factory
called this a "diagnostics mode" but the FCC canned it for
the reason that it could be easily modified to receive cell
phone frequencies. The Yaesu FT-890 lost its certification
for a similar reason. By shorting a jumper, holding down a
few keys and turning it on it would go into "program mode."
You could program it to transmit continuous from 1.5MHz to
29.995MHz. I made that modification on mine because I use
it through a transverter that converts the 26-30MHz range
into the 50-54 and 144-148 ranges. Yes I could use it to
transmit on CB frequencies. It would be illegal even if
I limited my power to 4 watts (12 SSB) because the my FT-890
is not type accepted since I made the modification and was
never type accepted for use on 11-meters.
Type acceptance isn't just to protect us from the
technologically ignorant but to protect us from
those manufacturers who would "cut corners" and sell
equipment that would cause interference with other
services or others within a particular service.
Kevin, WB5RUE
wb5...@stic.net
bud69
This is NOT a type acceptance labe. All ham equipment must comply with
the requiremnts of part 97, but that does not mean it must be type
accepted. Type acceptance requires testing of the radio by a FCC
certified lab and submission of the test data to the FCC for approval.
The FCC published a public notice in May 1996 regardng HF transceivers
in which the FCC clearly states "amateur euipment need not be type
accepted".
bud69
You ARE confusing type acceptance with Part 15 certification. Amateur
transceivers do not need type acceptance. Look at the back of your type
accepted CB and you will see a type acceptance number. You will not see
such a number on amateur equipment. You will only see a statement of
compliance with Part 15. There is also no rule in 47 C.F.R. regarding
"easily modfiable" amateur radios.
The FCC tried to avoid the rule making process by sendng out a public
notice that such radios would be considered as intended for operation in
any service they were capable of operating on after modification. Thus
after modification if they were capable of operating on marine, cb or
any other service that requires the use of type accepted equipment, they
must be type accepted for that service. There is curently litigaton
pending challenging this public notice.
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE wrote:
> No I'm not confusing Part 15 acceptance. I know that every electronic
> device must conform to that. Nor am I confusing the fact that ham
> operators don't have to USE type accepted equipment like CB operators
> do. What I am saying is that in order to be SOLD (not used) in the
> United States ALL COMMERCIALLY BUILT Amateur Radio equipment MUST
> be FCC type accepted.
...
> Yes it is true that ham rigs don't have to be type accepted for hams
> to USE. This is the key. There is a difference between equipment
> that is commercially manufactured and SOLD and equipment that is
> home-built and USED. That's why I can take a commercially built
> and type accepted CB radio and modify it for use on 10-meters
> legally. As soon as I make the modifications it becomes non type
> accepted; but as you state, no problem, hams don't have to have
> type accepted equipment. I cannot take my type accepted ham
> rig and modify it for use on CB. Once I make ANY modifications
> to my type accepted ham gear it becomes non type accepted. I
> can't even change out a resistor without voiding the type
> acceptance.
>
>
>
> Kevin, WB5RUE
> wb5...@stic.net
Charles Adkins
bud69 wrote:
> Yrac wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >if all charges were dropped, why was there a $500,000 dollar fine?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I was wondering the same thing, Train. And how much did they spend on legal
> > fees?
> >
> > The original post made it sound like Ranger got off scott free. Now we're
> > getting the REST of the story!
> >
> > Yrac
>
> No fine has been imposed. There may be a forfeiture by RCI due to some
> unrelated acts of the president of RCI. That will be decided later.
> All charges against Jim Peng and Ranger Taiwan have been dismissed. As
> for my fees, you couldn't afford me.
Okay, I'll bite here, Bud69, if you are the Lawyer for Mr. Jimmy Peng is it true
that Jim Peng's Wife is in Jail for killing Mr. Peng's "Mistress" In california?
--
-Chuck
Chuck's 2 Way Radio Service
And
CB Radio Sales
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Bill Nelson
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE (wb5...@stic.net) wrote:
: -
: -On an HF radio - that does not transmit on any frequency above 30 MHz?
: -Funny, there isn't any such label on my FT-757GX or the FT-757GXII.
: ---
: -Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
:
: Look inside or somewhere in the owner's manual. It's there, or should
: be. If not it should be available upon request from the manufacturer.
: It's on every piece of commercial gear that I have. Some of the older
: stuff has it stamped into the metal or on a metal plate riveted
: to the case. I even have some old Army communications radios
: that have the statement stamped into the metal casing --
Several of my transmitters and receivers mention that they comply with
Part 15. My 2 meter transceivers also have an FCC ID number, which is
the type acceptance number. None of my rigs that operate exclusively
in HF have an FCC ID number.
Every receiving and transmitting device (at least the commercial stuff)
has to comply with Part 15. But that is not the same as type acceptance.
: "This equipment has been tested and conforms to all the
: standards set forth by the Federal Communications
: Commission as of the date of manufacture 26 August 1957,
: and may be used within the United States and all its
: territories."
See above - that is not Type Acceptance.
--
Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
bud69 <bu...@prodigy.net> writes:
-This is NOT a type acceptance labe. All ham equipment must comply with
-the requiremnts of part 97, but that does not mean it must be type
-accepted. Type acceptance requires testing of the radio by a FCC
-certified lab and submission of the test data to the FCC for approval.
-The FCC published a public notice in May 1996 regardng HF transceivers
-in which the FCC clearly states "amateur euipment need not be type
-accepted".
-
-
Well, like I told Bill -- maybe we simply have a confusion in terminology.
Let me restate -- In order for equipment to be sold commercially in the
United States it MUST be approved by the FCC. Take the statements
where I said the equipment must be "type accepted" and substitute the
word "approved." Does real meaning change? Not much unless you are
splitting hairs or a lawyer. If Mr. Peng was commercially selling
equipment that was not FCC APPROVED for commercial sale within the US
then he was breaking the law.
Kevin, WB5RUE
wb5...@stic.net
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
bi...@peak.org (Bill Nelson) writes:
-
-Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE (wb5...@stic.net) wrote:
-: -
-: -On an HF radio - that does not transmit on any frequency above 30 MHz?
-: -Funny, there isn't any such label on my FT-757GX or the FT-757GXII.
-: ---
-: -Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
-:
-: Look inside or somewhere in the owner's manual. It's there, or should
-: be. If not it should be available upon request from the manufacturer.
-: It's on every piece of commercial gear that I have. Some of the older
-: stuff has it stamped into the metal or on a metal plate riveted
-: to the case. I even have some old Army communications radios
-: that have the statement stamped into the metal casing --
-
-Several of my transmitters and receivers mention that they comply with
-Part 15. My 2 meter transceivers also have an FCC ID number, which is
-the type acceptance number. None of my rigs that operate exclusively
-in HF have an FCC ID number.
All of my commercial HF rigs have FCC Type acceptance information
on them, both Part 15 and Part 97.
-Every receiving and transmitting device (at least the commercial stuff)
-has to comply with Part 15. But that is not the same as type acceptance.
-
-: "This equipment has been tested and conforms to all the
-: standards set forth by the Federal Communications
-: Commission as of the date of manufacture 26 August 1957,
-: and may be used within the United States and all its
-: territories."
-
-See above - that is not Type Acceptance.
-
---
-Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
If it not "type acceptance" then what is it? Perhaps there is an error
in terminology here. Could it be simply termed "FCC Approval" for
use instead of "FCC Type Accepted" for use? After all Yaesu is waiting
for "approval" from the FCC. Are we splitting hairs here? If so let me
know, I need to keep all that I have!
Kevin, WB5RUE
wb5...@stic.net
bud69
Again, this is totally untrue. I know nothing about the Yaesu
situation you are referring to. Many manufacturers advertise a new
model before it is marketed. Radio shack did have a sitauation with the
FCC re some amateur radios, but that was because they were capable of
receiving cell phone conversations. A law was passed to deal with that
situation. Amateur radios do not have to be type accepted or type
approved, though they may have to comply with part 15. The FCC wants
amateur equipment which is also capable of being used on other services,
such as marine, cb, aviation, etc. to be type accepted. However,
amateur radios that transmit only on amateur frequencies do not need
either type acceptance or type approval.
Finally, for the last time, Jim Peng did not violate any law, as
evidenced by the dismissal, by the motion of the government to dismiss
the charges brought against him.
539
bud69 <bu...@prodigy.net> wrote:
539 wrote:
enough already about Mr.Peng
you all sound like a bunch of broken records.
lets get on with this NG instead of peng this peng that.73
5...@bigfoot.com
539 Radio&Repair
we build amps also.
Yrac
>
> 539 wrote:
> enough already about Mr.Peng
> you all sound like a bunch of broken records.
> lets get on with this NG instead of peng this peng that.73
>
> 5...@bigfoot.com
> 539 Radio&Repair
> we build amps also.
>
>
No opinion either way--just an observation.
Dennis Lassetter
Who cares, Just enjoy what radios you have. Life's too short to gripe
about everything. 73
DENNIS in GA.
Dino
In article <34D346...@prodigy.net>, bu...@prodigy.net says...
> Finally, for the last time, Jim Peng did not violate any law, as
>evidenced by the dismissal, by the motion of the government to dismiss
>the charges brought against him.
Yea...and OJ didn't do it either....
Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE
bud69 <bu...@prodigy.net> writes:
-Again, this is totally untrue. I know nothing about the Yaesu
-situation you are referring to. Many manufacturers advertise a new
-model before it is marketed.
I guess since "you know nothing about it" then it's untrue.
February 1998 QST, Page 177 (inside back page) --
Yaesu is introducing its new rig, the FT-847. At the bottom of
the page is the disclaimer:
"The FT-847 has not been approved by the Federal Communications
Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for
sale or lease, or sold or leased until the approval of the FCC
has been obtained."
So, what is Yaesu waiting for if it isn't type acceptance/approval?
If you don't believe me I'll scan the page and send it to you, or
just go to your local ham store and look for yourself.
-Radio shack did have a sitauation with the
-FCC re some amateur radios, but that was because they were capable of
-receiving cell phone conversations.
Radio Shack has had no problems with their amateur gear. The problems
were with scanners that could be easily modified to receive cell
phone frequencies.
-A law was passed to deal with that
-situation. Amateur radios do not have to be type accepted or type
-approved, though they may have to comply with part 15.
Then please explain why Yaesu is holding this new rig pending
FCC approval. Is it some new-fangled marketing ploy?
-The FCC wants
-amateur equipment which is also capable of being used on other services,
-such as marine, cb, aviation, etc. to be type accepted. However,
-amateur radios that transmit only on amateur frequencies do not need
-either type acceptance or type approval.
Yes, they do. My FT-890 was capable of transmitting ONLY on amateur
frequencies until I modified it to do otherwise. At that point it
lost its type acceptance (which is stamped on the back). There are NO
commercial ham rigs sold in the US that, out of the box, can transmit on
anything other than amateur frequencies.
- Finally, for the last time, Jim Peng did not violate any law, as
-evidenced by the dismissal, by the motion of the government to dismiss
-the charges brought against him.
Perhaps this is another case of the wrong charges being brought. It
happens all the time. Do we know what he was actually charged with?
Why, as a condition of the charges being dropped, did his company
removed all the questioned equipment from the market?
-
-Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE wrote:
->
-> Well, like I told Bill -- maybe we simply have a confusion in terminology.
-> Let me restate -- In order for equipment to be sold commercially in the
-> United States it MUST be approved by the FCC. Take the statements
-> where I said the equipment must be "type accepted" and substitute the
-> word "approved." Does real meaning change? Not much unless you are
-> splitting hairs or a lawyer. If Mr. Peng was commercially selling
-> equipment that was not FCC APPROVED for commercial sale within the US
-> then he was breaking the law.
BobR19
There were several others indicted with Jimmy Peng, What happened to them?
bud69
BobR19 wrote:
>
> There were several others indicted with Jimmy Peng, What happened to them?
One case is still pending. Most others pled guilty as part of a
settlement.
BobR19
Exactly what are the details of the settlement?
Bill Nelson
: -"cause interference with other services"? If an
: -otherwise well designed xceiver is not used illegally,
: -then it is not going to be used out-of-band. Nor is
: -the person going to add noisemakers, or overmodulate
: -the radio.
: ---
: -Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
:
: I've had crystal controlled scanners that would interfere
: with my television and radios. There have been some
: really bad stuff out there. The key here is "well designed."
: If it is not "well designed" it will not pass. There are
: those will buy $5.95 telephones, I'm sure there are
: those who will buy the extremely cheep, poorly designed
: receivers (and transmitters) if they were offered for sale.
This is not necessarily due to a poor designed scanner or
transceiver. As you note, there are lots of cheap telephones,
televisions, tuners etc ot there. You will note that most of
them state (either on a label on the device or in the owner's
manual that they must accept any interference that occurs.
--
Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)