"Spring forward, Fall back"
Mike Terry
(Greenwich Mean Time). It starts the last Sunday in March, and ends the last
Sunday in October. In the EU, all time zones change at the same moment.
Daylight Saving Time begins for most of the United States at 2 a.m. on the
first Sunday of April. Time reverts to standard time at 2 a.m. on the last
Sunday of October. In the U.S., each time zone switches at a different time.
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html
The majority of international broadcasters change to their summer frequency
schedules tomorrow...enjoy the dx and the weather!
m II
>
> Daylight Saving Time begins for most of the United States at 2 a.m. on the
> first Sunday of April. Time reverts to standard time at 2 a.m. on the last
> Sunday of October. In the U.S., each time zone switches at a different time.
>
> http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html
>
> The majority of international broadcasters change to their summer frequency
> schedules tomorrow...enjoy the dx and the weather!
Eh?..Speak up laddie..It must be old age...I can fall back easily, but the
spring forward gets a bit harder every year.
mike
Joel Rubin
wrote:
And just to complicate things, as if they are not already sufficiently
complicated (e.g. the Navajos keep Daylight Savings but the Hopis,
whose reservation they surround, go with the rest of Arizona and don't
and the most likely medium wave DX catch in Arizona is Navajo) the
countries in the Southern Hemisphere which have summer time are going
OFF summer time.
And then there's Israel where the exact dates of summer time are a
struggle between the orthodox, who feel that summer time encourages
desecretation of the Sabbath on Saturday night and the secular who
feel that summer time conserves fuel.
Brian - KB9BVN
gets confusing...
Indiana had a chance to adopt DST and join the rest of the world this year,
but for other reasons the Indiana General Assembly decided to not meet and
vote on anything this year, allowing over 300 Bills to die of old age.
Indiana - We're 46th in SAT's, 46th in # of college grads, and we suck.
"Mike Terry" <miket...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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David
>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:35:34 -0800, Todd Hawley <tha...@tdl.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 30 Mar 2005 23:57:05 GMT, "Brian - KB9BVN" <kb9...@arrl.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Indiana had a chance to adopt DST and join the rest of the world this year,
>>>but for other reasons the Indiana General Assembly decided to not meet and
>>>vote on anything this year, allowing over 300 Bills to die of old age.
>>
>>Er I thought half the state went on DST every April?
>
>>From http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Indiana
>
>Most of Indiana has exempted itself from the observation of daylight
>saving time (DST). The area that is within the Eastern time zone is
>legally exempt from daylight saving time; some counties within this
>area, particularly Floyd, Clark, and Harrison counties near
>Louisville, Kentucky, and Ohio and Dearborn counties near Cincinnati,
>Ohio, observe daylight saving time unofficially and illegally by local
>custom. Several counties in the northwestern corner of Indiana, near
>Chicago, Illinois, and several counties in the southwestern corner of
>Indiana are in the Central time zone and remain subject to daylight
>saving time.
>
>The history of this unique arrangement is fairly convoluted. When DST
>was formally adopted, Indiana was in the Central time zone. However,
>many parts of the state stayed on Central DST the entire year.
>Eventually, a long-fought battle in the Indiana state legislature led
>to the current compromise. In the past several years, there have been
>attempts to place the entirety of Indiana in the Eastern time zone,
>with Eastern DST, but these have proved impossible to implement. More
>recently, support has begun to grow for returning Indiana to the
>Central time zone with Central time zone DST, but this has not been
>popular enough to implement.
>
>Jim
>
Arizona stayed on standard time to placate the drive-in theater
owners. The drive-ins are mostly gone, but the inconvenience remains.
Bob Haberkost
"David" <ric...@knac.com> wrote in message news:d2lf4p$nep$1...@xuxa.iecc.com...
| On 1 Apr 2005 00:25:21 GMT, Jim <a...@def.ghi> wrote:
| >On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:35:34 -0800, Todd Hawley <tha...@tdl.com>
| >wrote:
| Arizona stayed on standard time to placate the drive-in theater
| owners. The drive-ins are mostly gone, but the inconvenience remains.
Plus, it's worth noting, both Indiana (as was previously noted) and Arizona are
the westernmost states in their time zones. Because of this, the sun is already
late setting, so why aggrevate the problem by making it set (and rise) an hour
later, even? And Hawaii, being so close to the equator, doesn't really have
long days, anyway, so there's not much point in "saving" the evening hour by
advancing the clocks, only to lose it in the mornings.
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N7ZZT - Eric Oyen
> Arizona stayed on standard time to placate the drive-in theater
> owners. The drive-ins are mostly gone, but the inconvenience remains.
actually, DST *is* an inconvenience. I lived in places that had it. it was
hard enough getting up in the dead of winter to go to school, but having to
do so an hour earlier because some twit says we have to set the clocks
back?
the DST problem is a carry over from WWII. it should have been abolished
once the war was over.
--
DE N7ZZT
Eric Oyen
Phoenix, Arizona
e-mail: n7zzt(at)hotmail(dot)com
the difference between intelligence and stupidity is that intelligence
has its limits.
Garrett Wollman
N7ZZT - Eric Oyen <n7...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>the DST problem is a carry over from WWII. it should have been abolished
>once the war was over.
You are confused; DST long predates the War. New York started
observing DST in 1921; Chicago in 1920. Denver started in 1920, but
stopped two years later.
-GAWollman
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wol...@csail.mit.edu | generation can invoke its principles in their own
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of MIT or CSAIL. | - A. Kennedy, Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. ___ (2003)
Bob Haberkost
"N7ZZT - Eric Oyen" <n7...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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| David wrote:
| > Arizona stayed on standard time to placate the drive-in theater
| > owners. The drive-ins are mostly gone, but the inconvenience remains.
| actually, DST *is* an inconvenience. I lived in places that had it. it was
| hard enough getting up in the dead of winter to go to school, but having to
| do so an hour earlier because some twit says we have to set the clocks
| back?
| the DST problem is a carry over from WWII. it should have been abolished
| once the war was over.
...and so the controversy continues. No wonder we never get anything important
passed in this country....we're all still crabbing about whether daylight
savings time is a good or bad thing, and whether places which do/don't observe
it shouldn't/should.
RHF
.
N7ZZT - Eric Oyen
> In article <d2mmvd$qar$1...@xuxa.iecc.com>,
> N7ZZT - Eric Oyen <n7...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>the DST problem is a carry over from WWII. it should have been abolished
>>once the war was over.
>
> You are confused; DST long predates the War. New York started
> observing DST in 1921; Chicago in 1920. Denver started in 1920, but
> stopped two years later.
>
> -GAWollman
>
I Stand corrected on that. I thought the feds instituted it during WWII to
increase productivity for the war effort
N7ZZT - Eric Oyen
>
> "N7ZZT - Eric Oyen" <n7...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:d2mmvd$qar$1...@xuxa.iecc.com...
> | David wrote:
>
> | > Arizona stayed on standard time to placate the drive-in theater
> | > owners. The drive-ins are mostly gone, but the inconvenience remains.
>
> | actually, DST *is* an inconvenience. I lived in places that had it. it
> | was hard enough getting up in the dead of winter to go to school, but
> | having to do so an hour earlier because some twit says we have to set
> | the clocks back?
>
> | the DST problem is a carry over from WWII. it should have been abolished
> | once the war was over.
>
> ...and so the controversy continues. No wonder we never get anything
> important passed in this country....we're all still crabbing about whether
> daylight savings time is a good or bad thing, and whether places which
> do/don't observe it shouldn't/should.
heheh. yeah, well, if we have the leasure of "politicing", at least we know
the "system" is working. :)
Steve Sundberg
>
>actually, DST *is* an inconvenience. I lived in places that had it. it was
>hard enough getting up in the dead of winter to go to school, but having to
>do so an hour earlier because some twit says we have to set the clocks
>back?
But doesn't the "hour earlier" occur only for one day? The rest of the
time -- or at least until DST goes back to Standard Time -- is
calculated the same. The length of actual daylight certainly doesn't
change one way or the other.
Steve Sundberg
Which state is located closest to the equator? Hawaii or Florida?
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Hawaii, but only by 3 or 4 degrees latitude ... or about 150 miles.
The sunrise and sunset times for Honolulu and Miami are not as far
apart as you otherwise might imagine. On Dec. 21, 2004, the respective
sunrise/sunset times were:
Honolulu: 7:05 a.m. & 5:55 p.m.
Miami: 7:03 a.m. & 5:35 p.m.
John S.
they are on winter or standard time all year long. Indiana has it's
own crazy patchwork that allows many counties to remain on standard
time, a few to use summer time year-round and others to use the more
widely accepted DST changeover. For residents of the U.S. the decision
to use DST is a state and local municipality rights issue, so I would
not expect complete uniformity for a long time.
The principal modern day benefit of winter time is to allow children to
wait for the morning bus or walk to school in something
other than total darkness. Now that we have had the DST changeover,
students in mid-atlantic states are once again waiting for the morning
bus or walking in the dark. It would make so much more sense to just
stay on one standard year-round. Alaskans have coped with extreme
changes in daylight and darkness - I think those of us in more southern
locations could handle the sun coming up at 5:30AM.
N7ZZT - Eric Oyen
> In article <d2mmvd$qar$1...@xuxa.iecc.com>,
> N7ZZT - Eric Oyen <n7...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>the DST problem is a carry over from WWII. it should have been abolished
>>once the war was over.
>
> You are confused; DST long predates the War. New York started
> observing DST in 1921; Chicago in 1920. Denver started in 1920, but
> stopped two years later.
>
> -GAWollman
>
I Stand corrected on that. I thought the feds instituted it during WWII to
increase productivity for the war effort
David Eduardo
"Steve Sundberg" <deejayR...@CAPITALLETTERSmm.com> wrote in message
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>A trivia question for you:
>
> Which state is located closest to the equator? Hawaii or Florida?
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David Eduardo
"John S." <hjs...@cs.com> wrote in message
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> Arizona, Hawaii and 3 territories do not observe the DST change over -
> they are on winter or standard time all year long.
The three territories are in the topics, where days do not vary in length
much, so it's natural they would not go on DST.
Steve Sundberg
>>
>I Stand corrected on that. I thought the feds instituted it during WWII to
>increase productivity for the war effort
The US use of DST actually had its start in 1918, during WWI. Germany
first instituted DST in 1916 for the same reason that the US would
later do so: to increase the length of the workday that could be lit
by sunlight. Remember that this was at a time when electricity was not
yet in widespread use and sunlight still provided working light in
many buildings and factories.
N7ZZT - Eric Oyen
> In article <d2mmvd$qar$1...@xuxa.iecc.com>,
> N7ZZT - Eric Oyen <n7...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>the DST problem is a carry over from WWII. it should have been abolished
>>once the war was over.
>
> You are confused; DST long predates the War. New York started
> observing DST in 1921; Chicago in 1920. Denver started in 1920, but
> stopped two years later.
>
> -GAWollman
>
I Stand corrected on that. I thought the feds instituted it during WWII to
increase productivity for the war effort
Sid Schweiger
the war effort<<
It was around before WWII, as others have noted, but it was year-round
during the war ("Eastern War Time," etc.).
Steve Sundberg
Which state is located closest to the equator? Hawaii or Florida?
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Cmd Buzz Corey
The idea of DST was conceived by Ben Franklin in 1784.
John S.
with it year round. I see no downside. There would be less confusion
in spring and autumn and most kids would be able to wait for busses or
walk to school in the light.
norml
I hate having dinner while the sun is still up.
If we're going to change, let's have standard time all year.
Norm L.
"John S." <hjs...@cs.com> wrotf:
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Oh, no you don't!
>
> I hate having dinner while the sun is still up.
>
> If we're going to change, let's have standard time all year.
>
> Norm L.
They have it backwards, anyway. Get up earlier in the summer and
have an extra hour then, rather than a cold, dark hour on winter
mornings.
--
Former professional electron wrangler.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Cmd Buzz Corey
> Oh, no you don't!
>
> I hate having dinner while the sun is still up.
>
> If we're going to change, let's have standard time all year.
>
> Norm L.
>
Hear hear!!!
Shawn Mamros
They actually tried that in 1974, in the midst of one of the "energy
crises". I distinctly remember being an elementary school student
(second grade, IIRC) when that happened, and having to walk to school
in the dark. It actually did cause a statistical increase in the number
of deaths of school-age children in the morning, so for once government
did the right thing and decided not to make it a permanent change to
year-round DST.
-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu
Michael A. Terrell
1974? I was at Ft Greely, AK working as an engineer at a military TV
station where their were 23 hours & 45 minutes of daylight on June 21st
and 15 minutes of daylight on December 21st.